I recently received and used my FULL ACCESS UTV alignment tool and it was very easy, i found that tightening the tie rods end completely then using a piece of tape to draw a line at the 12 o'clock position then loosening it to about 14 turns on each side helped kept track of the number of turns was helpful! from there what i did to one side I did to the other regardless if I did a 1/8, 1/4 ... etc to a full turn to get measurements to the exactly the same before doing the 1/8 toe in! I found that putting the tape measures going sideways from the surfaces which touch the hubs was more accurate for centering the steering wheel and as far as the measurers going the opposite directions was helpful to know for sure if I am adding or subtracting 1/16s or 1/8s for example subtracting 1/16th to each side in order to make a total of 1/8" of a toe in! Using a small piece of tape was helpful for at least keeping on of the ends secured! Other than that its very simple in order to have a piece of mind! My 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000 Premium no tracks better than the first day I got it and the four wheel drive also engages correctly now that all four wheels are going the same direction and not slipping on the ground! Can't wait to see if it makes an improvement when pushing snow with the plow! Thanks FULL ACCESS UTV for making a tool that makes wheel alignment an ease!
@@Hi-Tech-Ray Yes it does. That has a different answer for every car though. If your springs are sagging out then just adjust the upper. That should put it back to where it needs to be for the secondary. If you’re cranking in lift then The height you added on the top, you should also do on the bottle.
Thanks for the video and the affordable tool. I will be replacing my A-arms soon and this info will help me with alignment. Couple questions : 1)Your tool is notched for setting a 31" tire, correct ? How do you calculate toe for different size tires? 2)Where should I set my toe (measurement) if I am running 30" tires on 14" rims ? I'm not racing, just trail riding basically Thanks in advance
I agree however the rear suspension geometry on most of these utv’s is not truly made for adjustment. You make one adjustment in one area and it affects everything else that is more important. A lot of these things don’t drive straight in the rear so in my opinion it’s almost irrelevant because you can’t really adjust it to get it correct. However on a street vehicle, it would be a must do, but not really an option for long travel.
@Larry Allen Jr Hi Larry, I just ordered the same kit myself, how do you like it? Did you obtain the steel plates yourself, I have no idea where to look for them!
You should have done a cross measure to insure everything is true to center before adjusting toe. Left tool to right arm pivot and right tool to left arm pivot. I just don’t trust eyeballing. One other thing that may make doing it by ourselves easier is to put the tape measures one on right and one on left tool then you can watch the tape move as we adjust. Nice tool and video.
@@Hi-Tech-Ray what he is saying is to measure the tape measure to a specific point of the frame. However the frame width changes from front of tires area to rear tires area so it makes it difficult.
Great vid. I'm guilty of using 2 inch angle iron pushed up against the tire sidewall on each front tire and measuring from there. I run a bit more toe than you suggest plus I run negative camber on the front and rear on my X3 because I can. I have fully adjustable A arms and radius arms. It handles so much better than stock it's not even funny. A stock X3 drives worse than anything I've ever driven. It understeers like its on ice then oversteers when you try to correct it with the throttle. A big problem with the X3 is the Tie rods are at the wrong angle at the hub compared to the rest of the suspension geometry. As the suspension cycles from full droop to full stuff the toe changes pretty drastically. It's not even worth the effort to align the toe without first replacing the tie rods with the Cognito Motorsports Toe correction tie rods or another brand.
@FULL ACCESS UTV, A couple of questions if you dont mind! 1) Could a faulty toe adjustment cause your bearings to wear prematurely? 2) Where could i get steel plate similar to the ones you used in the video if I dont have on hand? 3) I have a 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000, does the stock tie-rod have the inner jam nuts like the ones on the Razor in the video! PS: I have ordered the tool featured in this video and I am looking forward to using it!
PS I just received the speedway motor's Front End Toe Alignment Gauge Tool, after seeing this I am going to return that one as I see it measures with the tires on the machine!
Yes bad toe will cause the bearings to wear. How excessive is dependent on how excessive the bad toe is. Steel plate you can use anything from even Home Depot. As long as the vehicle easily slides on the ground. As far as the last question I’m not sure. I worked on a general last but don’t recall a ranger 1000.
@@fullaccessutv Like you said when these UTV come out of the box which I believe included dealer delivery they dont perform the alignment! Then if the bearings go as a result then its automatically the customers fault instead of theirs for not delivering a properly alignment UTV! I already know my Ranger has a toe issue because I have more toe out on the drivers side than the passenger side! Instead of counting the threads by the jam nut, I used a digital caliper to measure the gap between the jam nut and where the threads end by the tie rod end and my measurements were as follows 20.1 mm on the passenger side which the tire is near straight and the drivers side measured 10.1 MM, a 10mm difference! No wonder why I was getting stuck in the snow in 4 wheel drive the passenger tire was pointing straight and the drivers side was going left!
You more or less made the tires parallel to each other but how do you know they are pointed dead straight and not veering left or right ever so slightly. Further, how do you know its going to drive straight with the wheel dead straight. Thats my issue, I pulled the rack and installed it back to the same spline but while driving straight the wheel is turned so I figured id put the wheel straight and adjust the tie rods. Can you measure from front of the bar to center of machine somewhere on each side to verify they are pointing straight then set your toe from there?
Bought this for a KRX 1000. You guys do a lot of KRX stuff. The KRX doesn't have lug nuts with a taper. And I'd like to know how to loosen the adjustment rods? Do I have to pull the boots from the steering box end?
if you can get 2 tapered lugs it better, but not needed or required. lugs can be gotten at any autoparts store for say a mid 2000 honda. M12x1.25. The ends are adjustable, they do adjust and come apart.
Was wondering I was always told and trained that ride height affects adjustments and can see if on computer hi tech machines, won’t having the rear tires on and the front laying down like that affect the measurement?
AT 14:30 you mention the eyeball method to do the first quick adjust. Are you simply attempting to get the tools straight?? I did see the drivers side toed out but didn't see the passenger toed in.
Yes it’s very hard to tell in the video. I am attempting to get the tools straight knowing that the steering is centered first. Then from then I dial in everything.
How do you determine that each wheel has the same tow in? For example for a 1/8 total tow in, each wheel should have 1/16 of tow in rather than one wheel having the total 1/8 toe in
Tough question. It will all start with centering the steering wheel and knowing that is the center of the steering rack. From there once you get everything straight, it’s just a slight adjustment on each tie rod. You will just have to know that you adjusted each end equally.
Hi I did alignment big parts of my life and you don’t put toe in on a all wheel drive need toe out and when the axle torque it brings the toe to zero 😊
yes, but we are not talking a street car. Tow in or out is dependent on the driver and terrain. We like lots of toe out to turn harder into the turns racing. Slight tow in with larger tires and in the rocks.
Here is something that I kind of find misleading in my 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000 service manual as it states when replacing the steering gear box assembly which includes the tie rods! It says to measure the length of your tie rod ends where it goes into the steering knuckle! The reason why I find it to be misleading is, if the original assembly has improper alignment issues that you will be copying that to the newly installed one! So wouldn't it be better to do an alignment from scratch or include counting of how many threads there are by the jam nuts along with the total length of the tie rod?
Each will give you different vehicle reactions. It’s up to you what you want to run, but this is what we run. When racing short course we would tow the vehicle out a quarter inch so it would cut harder into turns. That’s not good for tire wear and you get a lot of feedback through the steering, so for usual street or trail rigs we recommend in.
@@fullaccessutv Hello again. So I’m thinking again (which I shouldn’t), I have another question. I’ll will just use whole numbers for simplicity, not accuracy. Say you start out with the wheels parallel, front and back at 48 inches. So you want 1/2 inch total toe in, that’s 1/4 per side. Now your measurements will be 47 1/2 total at the front and the rear becomes 48 1/2, correct? But my question is, shouldn’t that be 23 3/4 from center of the machine? If you don’t go off center I’m thinking, you could be 24 on one side of center and 23 1/2 on the other and still be 47 1/2 overall?
@@fullaccessutv Yes, per side if you measure from the center of the machine. It has to be equal at both ends which means you have to take a measurement from center, not overall, correct?
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I just verified this. We set the krx on milk crates and steel plate and measured shock length and toe set. Then we did it on the ground. Shocks showed to be 1/8” more compressed and the toe set was the exact same measurement. It makes no difference as long as you follow the video.
Many things here not right.did you have ever seen the plates that use shock therapy? Plate attached on hubs the front end sits on the plate simulating the wheel puting the load on the hub like the car was designed .not on the lower ball joint like yours.your taking the load of the upper a arms and knuckle changing suspension geometry. another thing is the front end so low transfering all the weight toward the front. Should be aligned close true height .
Whether it is on the hub, Ball joint, or rotor makes no difference in alignment. As long as the vehicle settles too natural ride height. That cannot change the suspension geometry. Also I agree that we should have the vehicle level however that would increase the cost, and shipping cost to customers exponentially. During our testing of ride height. Center to center shock measurements were monitored. lowering the front of the vehicle to the ground did not change ride height within any measurable reading on a tape measure. In the end, I agree it’s not perfect as a digital Alignment machine, however it is much cheaper and easily 98% correct if done correctly. Simply taking your Utv to a digital alignment shop means nothing when they do not understand Offroad suspension geometry or how the vehicle needs to be settled in order to align it. IMO this is the best option out there for price point and accuracy.
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This will be my next tool!!! Great explanation. I feel your pain, it was 116 in SoUt.
I have this alignment kit on it's way. Looks like a real accurate way to set toe in.
I recently received and used my FULL ACCESS UTV alignment tool and it was very easy, i found that tightening the tie rods end completely then using a piece of tape to draw a line at the 12 o'clock position then loosening it to about 14 turns on each side helped kept track of the number of turns was helpful! from there what i did to one side I did to the other regardless if I did a 1/8, 1/4 ... etc to a full turn to get measurements to the exactly the same before doing the 1/8 toe in! I found that putting the tape measures going sideways from the surfaces which touch the hubs was more accurate for centering the steering wheel and as far as the measurers going the opposite directions was helpful to know for sure if I am adding or subtracting 1/16s or 1/8s for example subtracting 1/16th to each side in order to make a total of 1/8" of a toe in! Using a small piece of tape was helpful for at least keeping on of the ends secured! Other than that its very simple in order to have a piece of mind! My 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000 Premium no tracks better than the first day I got it and the four wheel drive also engages correctly now that all four wheels are going the same direction and not slipping on the ground! Can't wait to see if it makes an improvement when pushing snow with the plow! Thanks FULL ACCESS UTV for making a tool that makes wheel alignment an ease!
You are very welcome, and I’m glad you like it.
@@fullaccessutv I forgot to ask another important question: Does it matter where I have my pre-load shocks set to from soft to hard ride?
@@Hi-Tech-Ray Yes it does. That has a different answer for every car though. If your springs are sagging out then just adjust the upper. That should put it back to where it needs to be for the secondary. If you’re cranking in lift then The height you added on the top, you should also do on the bottle.
Thanks for the video and the affordable tool. I will be replacing my A-arms soon and this info will help me with alignment.
Couple questions :
1)Your tool is notched for setting a 31" tire, correct ?
How do you calculate toe for different size tires?
2)Where should I set my toe (measurement) if I am running 30" tires on 14" rims ?
I'm not racing, just trail riding basically
Thanks in advance
I would recommend 1/8 inch toe in for30 or 31 inch tire. You would notice no difference between that inch measurement.
Great video! Now go grab an ice cold beer. Wanted to ride today but this smoke and heat are insane!
You should explain how to align the front wheels with the rear so your cart is tracking properly
I agree however the rear suspension geometry on most of these utv’s is not truly made for adjustment. You make one adjustment in one area and it affects everything else that is more important. A lot of these things don’t drive straight in the rear so in my opinion it’s almost irrelevant because you can’t really adjust it to get it correct. However on a street vehicle, it would be a must do, but not really an option for long travel.
I just ordered the alignment kit and the shock tower reinforcement. Looking forward to seeing more products from you guys. Thanks. 👊🏻😎🏁
Thank you Larry!
@Larry Allen Jr Hi Larry, I just ordered the same kit myself, how do you like it? Did you obtain the steel plates yourself, I have no idea where to look for them!
You should have done a cross measure to insure everything is true to center before adjusting toe. Left tool to right arm pivot and right tool to left arm pivot. I just don’t trust eyeballing. One other thing that may make doing it by ourselves easier is to put the tape measures one on right and one on left tool then you can watch the tape move as we adjust. Nice tool and video.
Good points. There were so many points we were trying to hit in that video we forgot multiples.
@Lee Schmid Are you saying to have each tape measurer going in the opposite directions? I have been having that thought myself!
@@Hi-Tech-Ray what he is saying is to measure the tape measure to a specific point of the frame. However the frame width changes from front of tires area to rear tires area so it makes it difficult.
@@Hi-Tech-Ray yep
@@fullaccessutv I got that as the first part but I think he also was saying to reverse the ends of one of the two tape measurers!
Great vid. I'm guilty of using 2 inch angle iron pushed up against the tire sidewall on each front tire and measuring from there. I run a bit more toe than you suggest plus I run negative camber on the front and rear on my X3 because I can. I have fully adjustable A arms and radius arms. It handles so much better than stock it's not even funny. A stock X3 drives worse than anything I've ever driven. It understeers like its on ice then oversteers when you try to correct it with the throttle. A big problem with the X3 is the Tie rods are at the wrong angle at the hub compared to the rest of the suspension geometry. As the suspension cycles from full droop to full stuff the toe changes pretty drastically. It's not even worth the effort to align the toe without first replacing the tie rods with the Cognito Motorsports Toe correction tie rods or another brand.
Man I agree. The stock x3 drives like dog 💩 but once dialed in, those x3’s are amazing.
@FULL ACCESS UTV, A couple of questions if you dont mind! 1) Could a faulty toe adjustment cause your bearings to wear prematurely? 2) Where could i get steel plate similar to the ones you used in the video if I dont have on hand? 3) I have a 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000, does the stock tie-rod have the inner jam nuts like the ones on the Razor in the video! PS: I have ordered the tool featured in this video and I am looking forward to using it!
PS I just received the speedway motor's Front End Toe Alignment Gauge Tool, after seeing this I am going to return that one as I see it measures with the tires on the machine!
Yes bad toe will cause the bearings to wear. How excessive is dependent on how excessive the bad toe is. Steel plate you can use anything from even Home Depot. As long as the vehicle easily slides on the ground. As far as the last question I’m not sure. I worked on a general last but don’t recall a ranger 1000.
@@fullaccessutv Like you said when these UTV come out of the box which I believe included dealer delivery they dont perform the alignment! Then if the bearings go as a result then its automatically the customers fault instead of theirs for not delivering a properly alignment UTV! I already know my Ranger has a toe issue because I have more toe out on the drivers side than the passenger side! Instead of counting the threads by the jam nut, I used a digital caliper to measure the gap between the jam nut and where the threads end by the tie rod end and my measurements were as follows 20.1 mm on the passenger side which the tire is near straight and the drivers side measured 10.1 MM, a 10mm difference! No wonder why I was getting stuck in the snow in 4 wheel drive the passenger tire was pointing straight and the drivers side was going left!
You more or less made the tires parallel to each other but how do you know they are pointed dead straight and not veering left or right ever so slightly. Further, how do you know its going to drive straight with the wheel dead straight. Thats my issue, I pulled the rack and installed it back to the same spline but while driving straight the wheel is turned so I figured id put the wheel straight and adjust the tie rods. Can you measure from front of the bar to center of machine somewhere on each side to verify they are pointing straight then set your toe from there?
Bought this for a KRX 1000. You guys do a lot of KRX stuff. The KRX doesn't have lug nuts with a taper. And I'd like to know how to loosen the adjustment rods? Do I have to pull the boots from the steering box end?
if you can get 2 tapered lugs it better, but not needed or required. lugs can be gotten at any autoparts store for say a mid 2000 honda. M12x1.25.
The ends are adjustable, they do adjust and come apart.
Hey great video, i'm going to order a tool right now. I have adjustable radius rods on the rear of my 2022 canam maverick, what should the camber be?
@@shaneward4065 every car is different and specific. On that particular maverick I’m not sure.
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Ok cheers
Was wondering I was always told and trained that ride height affects adjustments and can see if on computer hi tech machines, won’t having the rear tires on and the front laying down like that affect the measurement?
no, as long as everything is settled down. It may be a little off, but the alignment guys are off even more.
AT 14:30 you mention the eyeball method to do the first quick adjust. Are you simply attempting to get the tools straight?? I did see the drivers side toed out but didn't see the passenger toed in.
Regardless it is a great video and very informative
Yes it’s very hard to tell in the video. I am attempting to get the tools straight knowing that the steering is centered first. Then from then I dial in everything.
How do you determine that each wheel has the same tow in? For example for a 1/8 total tow in, each wheel should have 1/16 of tow in rather than one wheel having the total 1/8 toe in
Tough question. It will all start with centering the steering wheel and knowing that is the center of the steering rack. From there once you get everything straight, it’s just a slight adjustment on each tie rod. You will just have to know that you adjusted each end equally.
Hi I did alignment big parts of my life and you don’t put toe in on a all wheel drive need toe out and when the axle torque it brings the toe to zero 😊
yes, but we are not talking a street car. Tow in or out is dependent on the driver and terrain. We like lots of toe out to turn harder into the turns racing. Slight tow in with larger tires and in the rocks.
@@fullaccessutv I think my friend bought 2 sets so when he came to me I will be able to check all 4 wheel 🛞
Do manufacturers have the number to align them ?
nice!
Here is something that I kind of find misleading in my 2021 Polaris Ranger 1000 service manual as it states when replacing the steering gear box assembly which includes the tie rods! It says to measure the length of your tie rod ends where it goes into the steering knuckle! The reason why I find it to be misleading is, if the original assembly has improper alignment issues that you will be copying that to the newly installed one! So wouldn't it be better to do an alignment from scratch or include counting of how many threads there are by the jam nuts along with the total length of the tie rod?
Those directions just get you close to stock, Which makes it easier to align. A alignment on anything is essential.
I ordered your alignment tool and a set of 35 inch tires for a krx my question is do I toe it in a 16th for 35s ?
Depends on your riding. And your style. I would set it up zero or 16th Toe out
Awesome thanks 👍
I'm a little confused. U keep saying toe in.
My dealer says it should toe out 1/8 to 1/4??????
Ur right, lots of conflicting info out there.
Each will give you different vehicle reactions. It’s up to you what you want to run, but this is what we run. When racing short course we would tow the vehicle out a quarter inch so it would cut harder into turns. That’s not good for tire wear and you get a lot of feedback through the steering, so for usual street or trail rigs we recommend in.
@@fullaccessutv Hello again. So I’m thinking again (which I shouldn’t), I have another question.
I’ll will just use whole numbers for simplicity, not accuracy.
Say you start out with the wheels parallel, front and back at 48 inches. So you want 1/2 inch total toe in, that’s 1/4 per side. Now your measurements will be 47 1/2 total at the front and the rear becomes 48 1/2, correct?
But my question is, shouldn’t that be 23 3/4 from center of the machine?
If you don’t go off center I’m thinking, you could be 24 on one side of center and 23 1/2 on the other and still be 47 1/2 overall?
@@martymartian9820 1/8 inch toe in. Meaning 1/16th of an inch per side. If 48 in the rear it should be 47 7/8 in the front
@@fullaccessutv Yes, per side if you measure from the center of the machine. It has to be equal at both ends which means you have to take a measurement from center, not overall, correct?
What do the alignment kit cost? And where do you order? Perfer by phone.
We can do by phone if needed. Email me for contact information. Info@fullaccessutv.com
Or we have them available at full access Utv.com
Went to website to order tool ....not available it says
they are. thats a old link and it tells you where to go.
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How do I purchase your alignment kit?
They are on our website at fullaccessutv.com. Thank you
If it’s that hot. Why not open the doors? Get some fans??
How much are your alignment tools
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Where can I buy this kit tool
A link to purchase them is on the description of the video.
Will these work on a Yamaha yxz?
sure will!
How much do the alignment tool cost?
On the website
isnt the car being nose down effecting the accuracy?
By a very slight amount yes. Nothing you can probably read on a tape measure though
I just verified this. We set the krx on milk crates and steel plate and measured shock length and toe set. Then we did it on the ground. Shocks showed to be 1/8” more compressed and the toe set was the exact same measurement. It makes no difference as long as you follow the video.
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Sorry but by having the front low the camber is not at the right place 😊
This still isn’t going to ensure a square alignment.
Many things here not right.did you have ever seen the plates that use shock therapy? Plate attached on hubs the front end sits on the plate simulating the wheel puting the load on the hub like the car was designed .not on the lower ball joint like yours.your taking the load of the upper a arms and knuckle changing suspension geometry. another thing is the front end so low transfering all the weight toward the front. Should be aligned close true height .
Whether it is on the hub, Ball joint, or rotor makes no difference in alignment. As long as the vehicle settles too natural ride height. That cannot change the suspension geometry.
Also I agree that we should have the vehicle level however that would increase the cost, and shipping cost to customers exponentially.
During our testing of ride height. Center to center shock measurements were monitored. lowering the front of the vehicle to the ground did not change ride height within any measurable reading on a tape measure.
In the end, I agree it’s not perfect as a digital Alignment machine, however it is much cheaper and easily 98% correct if done correctly.
Simply taking your Utv to a digital alignment shop means nothing when they do not understand Offroad suspension geometry or how the vehicle needs to be settled in order to align it.
IMO this is the best option out there for price point and accuracy.
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