Specific Reloading Considerations For Our Lever Guns
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Every type of firearm, whether lever action, automatic, bolt, revolver, slide or single shot has special considerations for the reloading of ammo. Let's start this video series with a discussion on lever actions - the specific reloading considerations. And yes, my camera auto focus needs to have adjustments made to the settings...
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Good stuff, Steve.
Yes, offhand at 50 yards can humble you. My last range visit with the 629 reminded me of that fact. Out to 25 yards looked great. My 50 yard target looked like I was using buckshot!
Buckshot can be very effective!
Steve: I use five different leverguns in .32-20, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt and .30-30. I have aperture rear sights and either gold or white front beads on all of them. The beads show up much more clearly than a black Patridge blade whether the target is a black-on-white bullseye or game. None of mine are the fire-sight type of fiber optic, but those should work as well. I use a large bead, and zero so that the top edge of the bead is at POI at my zero range, the center of the bead is my first holdover, and the bottom of the bead is my second holdover. This will vary with the caliber and load, and I make a range card for each of my go-to loads so I can refresh my memory before I head out hunting or woodswalking. Example: .44 Mag, MP 245 gr KSWCHP with 24/296 - 50 yd top, 100 yd middle, 125 yd bottom.
All the revolver-caliber leverguns have companion revolvers, and I use the identical loads in them.
Great topic! If you could, please do a video on crimp die set-up for lever action rifles. This is one thing I want to learn more about, and it seems very difficult to research. Thanks!
In my 20's I was all about the military stuff. Well when I got $1200 back from taxes (2013 stimulus maybe?) I bought a 130 yr old Marlin Mod.1893 30-30. I had to source some bits here and there to repair it but after 3 test shots with it behind the shop, I was in love. These leverguns/revolvers stole my heart. Lookin to get into 44-40 next. They just feel so good in the hand man
You're prospective & knowledge is priceless...there's a lot of new shooters that can benefit from your knowledge. Experienced shooters take for granted the knowledge base that we drew from in the form of family & friends that educated us in reloading safely & firearms function + safety.
My early 80s 336 in 30-30 is my favorite/go-to rifle for plinking and the woods
I love the looks of a 336. I've always wanted one, but I can't even really use a 30/30 where I am.
@@kingelvis7035 that's a shame, it's a great caliber
@@grunt-0311 There's only shotgun or revolver pistols allowed in 'firearm season' here. I have a Winchester model 92 "Rossi" .357 and also a .300 Savage Model 99 (inherited from Dad) that are some fun lever guns, but I just love that 336.
@@kingelvis7035 nice! The local counties have been shotgun only for a long time but recently allowed rifles from elevation
Perfect timing! I have a 336 Marlin in .35 Remington giving me fits. You gave me some places to look at. Greetings from the right side of California ( near Stockton)
Target Suite solved that problem.
Thanks again for sharing you knowledge with your audience. Greatly appreciated!
Good to see you again. 👌👍
Love the .44 mag cartridge with cast bullets, have three .44 mag rifles .each one has its preference for projectiles, luckily my marlin .44 mag rifle likes the 245 grain keith bullet .in fact it's the only one iv tried so far that shows good accuracy and it's crimped in the crimp grove. Have also found it to be a great projectile for wild pigs when placed in the right spot.i enjoy your videos, thanks from new zealand.
I have seen good accuracy out of my micro-groove M1895 .45-70 with cast bullets. I think it depends on the exact lead alloy and velocity level. Exact bullet diameter in relation to the barrel's groove diameter factors in as well. Great vid, Cookie. Thanks for posting on YT!
Fortune Cookie, That's some pretty wood on that gun you got there. Here is something I bet you have never heard of. Back when I was a young boy when my brother showed me how to reload 100 grain plinkers. He told me to top my powder charge off with cornmeal. I didn't know any difference at the time so I did as he said ( this is what the owner of the gun shop told my brother to do ). The purpose of this was to keep the bullets from pushing back in a tubular magazine. I am not recommending anyone do this. I will say this that I have done it quite a few times and my brother has done it a lot more. I know for a fact he has even done it with a 307 Winchester. I couldn't begin to tell you what the pressures were or are.
If you weren't loading max loads and weren't getting high pressure signs you were likely OK.
I have always believed “avoid Micro-Groove for cast bullets,” but check out Target Suite. He is having fantastic results with a 1959 vintage Marlin in .35 Remington.
Microgroove in 22lr, which uses a softer lead bullet (swaged, but not really different than cast), holds fine accuracy. Of course 22lr does not have the velocity or pressure of many centerfires and leading isn't a problem with them, but shooting a couple of bricks of 22lr in a day without any cleaning shows no effect on accuracy. If cowboy action were using dirty powder(like black powder) would likely be the problem with the microgroove over the actual lead, IMO.
Target Suite, George, caused me to buy a Marlin 35 Remington and reload for it. Great channel.
I used to believe that, too, until I tried it with a Marlin 336. Pretty good groups at 50 yards, with a light plinking load.
@@murphy4yt probably wants the right alloy and load, but good results are clearly possibe.
A long awaited great video Mate very helpful thank you for your time.Steve from Australia
Of all my lever actions I'm especially fond and really proud of my Marlin 1894 chambered in .44 Magnum.
It's a great..., No..., it's an exceptional MARLIN carbine!!
I truly enjoyed this video even though I'm not into reloading myself; nevertheless I found a lot of information here very useful even for all "Non-Reloaders".
Thank you so much for the contents and for your time putting this video together.
Thanks. I'm going to start reloading for my 45 colt Rossi. This information was invaluable. Trying to look for loading data for the 20" barrel.
Something everyone should check on their lever action re loading. Some will allow you to feed a round until the gate has closed and still allow you to feed another round. Some won’t, requiring you to follow one by another without closing the gate. There are a couple videos out there showing the difference.
Cookie, great to hear from you again. I thought I read somewhere that TR’s 1895 was chambered in .405. He claimed that it was good lion medicine.
Again another excellent presentation. I have found that not all levers act the same. I have one that I found will cycle empty brass. I surmise that if I loaded true wad cutters, they would cycle. Levers are a lot of fun and can be rather accurate with slow fire from a rest and good sites. Keep up the good work.
It may be an older video but it is very informative! Thanks for posting.
Interestingly, the SAAMI spec for 44 mag cartridge dimensions is different for rifle vs handgun, with the rifle being .431 nominal. This had led to some confusion over the years and lots of issues with accuracy. As you suggested, the best approach is to slug the bore and go .001” - .002” over. Thanks for the informative video.
That’s interesting. I shoot Hornady 240gr XTP bullets that are I believe are 429 in my Winchester Legacy 24 inch barrel length Model 94 That group 5 Shots into an inch at 25 to 50 yards and around 1.2 in to 1.5 inch at 75 to 100 yards . I have a straight 4 power scope mounted on the rifle.
good information...I'll be reloading for my Rossi R92 very soon...
Good video, but I thought T.R. liked his 1895 in .405 Winchester, his “big stick.” I guess both are good.
Thankyou for this...it has solved a small dilemma with my 44Mag lever !!
I found my neck getting sore from nodding in agreement. Great informative video for new lever action shooters and by the way that is some beautiful wood on that Marlin, far prettier than mine made in 1976. And I do use Matt’s .433 bullet. He is about the only one I know that has those for sale.
I had the same issue with a Keith (Or maybe Lyman / Thomson as gas checked) semi wad cutter in my 1892 clone. Would not feed in a magnum case but shot nicely in a .44 Spec loaded up with the Hand Loader Magazine 44 + P loads it works delightfully
just wanted to say thanks for showing how to pull the bolt and lever on the 1894 i have a 25-20 i got in the 90's i never new it was that easy
You rock. I love my Henry All weather 45-70. I have had great success reloading for it. I want to get a Henry in 357/38 special Or a 44mag. Out of stock everywhere. Nice thing about the 45-70 is I can load lighter to heavy for purpose.
Loaded cast and powder coated lee 170grain 30-30win, they cycle fairly good in my marlin 996y, bought a henry wild life edition same rounds will not chamber. deep rifling cut into nose of bullet, recast same bullets and wiped powder coat away from the nose before baking, measured nose 0.300" same chambering issue.
My 1st time ever 'hunting deer' I used a borrowed "94 lever gun" I went to the sporting goods store and told the guy I had a "94 lever gun" and needed 'bullets' for it,he sold me (a 14 year old kid) a box of 30-30s and away I went to kill a deer.... I did find 3 deer that first day,I shot at all 3 of them and all I did was teach them how to run faster.... the following Saturday the OWNER of said '94 lever gun' was with us and he finally told me that the rifle was a 32 WINCHESTER SPECIAL, HIGHLY unaccurate with 30 WCF ammo in it..... LOL
Alas, a lesson instead of an adventure . . . Glad you're laughing now.
DOUG out
Rule number 1 for lever action rifle ammo and bullet selection. They MUST always be a flat or blunt point bullet. With a tube magazine the tip on the following round can and will set off a primer and cause a catastrophic chain of explosions in the magazine tube. The danger comes in with rough handling, bouncing around in a vehicle, 4-wheeler, boat or while on horseback as well as being dropped.
The Hornady pointed bullet you can use
I just bought a Winchester 30-30.
...I found out the hard way that loading .45/70 for single shot rifles and lever action rifles is very different...
My Henry .410 side loader really doesn’t like any variation on length. I can’t feed my roll-crimps (slugs) through the king’s gate. They have to go in through the ejection port. My load: 27.2 grains lilgun> Claybuster plastic wad with wings cut down to 1/4”, Cream of Wheat filler from Lee .7cc, 1/4” paper wad, svarog cast pellet slug .25 oz. by .408” diameter. over-shot card, roll crimp. I get 2100 fps, but 7” groups at 25.
I should note that the Cream of Wheat is un-cooked.
Hoping to cast some Lee 150 & 170 grn today for my 336's. A video on the powder loading weights for these would be helpful. Lee do not provide charge weights with the dies, as you know. I read about reducing the powder charge in the fabulous Lee book, but its difficult to grasp for me.
I think you did great at 50 offhand as you had 10 of 10 on paper!
A good day at the range!
I absolutely love your vids sir! I have learned so much from you, and I totally love your sense of humour and presentation. So glad to have found you :)
Really top shelf video as you consistently offer. Very informative. I always learn new things watching your videos.
I have an Uberti 1866 Yellowboy in .45 Colt and I found out that round nose is a no go unless I single load through the top. I'm looking for a Lee 255 grain RNFP mold with the crimp groove and I'm having a hard time locating one. Great video sir!
Try accurate molds. They custom make molds to your specifications. Not sure what the price is going to be, but like anything reloading related these days, probably pricey.
Paul Kopacz
There is no problem with round nose in a lever gun
@@shadowcastre Yes there is. If I load round nose bullets they hang up on the feed ramp, they are too long. I can load them deeper into the case and clear the ramp but that leaves the bullet set too deep into the case and it has very little neck retention and feeding them into the tube would cause bullet setback. I am looking for a mold that is ROUND NOSE FLAT POINT with a crimp groove in 250/255 grain range that will function in the action and enable me to use the tube magazine without fear of bullet setback in the case. I will probably order from accurate molds. Thanks Cat G.
@@catg7855 Thanks I will look them up!
Thats a darn nice video Sir thank you. I have my grandfather old Winchester 1894 25-35 and I reload for that. I'm still rather new so all this was great info. I'm using 30-30 cases to convert down. Still learning that too. Take care😁
Those were hardly bad shots when you look at all the off target impacts on that range. Keep up the good work.
Always best of the best. Greeting from Texas
That was some great information for all Lever Action shooters fortuneCookie45LC , well done 👍. I believe every rifle shooter should have at least one Lever Action rifle in their collection.
I would love to meet you Mate and sit down and have a great conversation with your knowledge of firearms and especially reloading in general , well at this time I can only dream. Steve from Australia
I'm reloading for my "Big Boy" Henry in .44 Magnum. Loading Hollow Base Wad Cutters with Tight Group gets the job done. Very little information for the full WCs but I found some out of the Handloaders Magazine. Also with a lever action rifle, loading of the rounds needs a full active process, do not limp in with operating the lever just go for it so everything is smooth.
I picked up 44 magnum Marlin Leaver Action last year that’s been in a gun safe for almost 30 years and it is in great shape, I have never fired it yet❗️
Hi, I’ve been shooting cast bullets for a long long time and can tell you that .430 cast bullets shoot wonderfully well in my .444 Marlin. The whole micro-groove not handling cast very well is really nothing more than a perpetuated myth. Go to Castboolits website and see all the people doing it. I might add that .22 l.r. is lead and shoots well in micro groove. Only problem will be if your bullets are less than .430 like I said (at least in my Marlin). I’ve also used cast in micro-groove .30-30 with same great results.
Thank you for this video, it was very informative. It was also nice to see you shoot. Can't wait to find more gems.
This is a great video....keep em coming!
I have a (JM) Marlin , 44 Cowboy 24 " , feeding is like yours , the slow twist makes it picky RE: accuracy . If you feed it what it likes , all is well ! Very accurate . Thanks !!
My Ruger 77/44 bolt action 1/19 twist , shoots slow lead bullets Very well . The Marlin 1/36 ? twist , shoots some so bad at distance looks more like Buck Shot .. than a Rifle .
I noticed ads always make a point of the JM mark. What is the significance of it?
@@GunFunZS I am not an expert , my take is , they were built when Marlin was working well . They sold & moved the plant & many unhappy workers = poorly built , fitted & shipped as is guns went out the door . Little help when they sent them back ( a few times ?? ). Now that Ruger has the tools & plans , with any luck they will produce a good product !! BTW I shot the 44 cowboy 175 yds 240 gr XTP home loads = 3"
@@danoneill2846 so JM basically means before the move to remlin.
@@GunFunZS Yep now it will be Rumlin !! I have always have good luck with Rugers !!
Thank you again, Professor Fortune Cookie, for another treasure trove of information!
Absolutely invaluable information here. Thank you!
Here’s a couple of Bullet molds that work great in my two new marlins 1894 in 44 mag and 45 colt, the first one is a NOE 432-255 plainbase SWC and a 454-255 plainbase SWC both are a Keith type SWC which cycles and shoots great to, 18.5 of 2400 powder for the 44 and 9 gr of unique for the 45 colt, these loads work great in the marlin 94’s, I size to .432 and .454 in a rcbs lubeamatic, around 3” to 4” groups out to 60/75 yards, makes a excellent hunting load or targets
I have only reloaded for revolvers, but I’m looking into reloading for 458 SOCOM since the ammo is so expensive and hard to find; I have never loaded for a semi-automatic. Are there any special considerations for semiauto big bore cartridges?
I recently found your channel, and I love how you present information; also, your voice is soothing.
Also you must adaquately full length resize the cases. This also includes the dies being set to bumping the shoulder back ( for example on 30-30) at least enough to insure reloaded ammunition will easily and reliably cycle through the rifle.
I have a Marlin 336 30 30 recently took my fired brass and just neck size them and they cycled in the rifle
really well I used the lee collet die before I use that die on them they would not cycle in Rifle so I think I'll just keep doing it and getting away with it until I have to full lenght resize them that'll be really easy on the brass and make it last
You have such great information here on your channel, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge ! I have just purchased a 44 magnum lever action rifle and want to reload. Im familiar with my rifle reloading, but not a pistol caliber. Any advise you can share on bullet weights and proper dies for this caliber. It will be range and steel shooting. any hunting i would buy factory ammo i think. Cheers, Craig.
Gold dot front sight or a little white paint.
My 44mag Henry love duplex load in h110 for breakfast and 265ftx with h110 for dinner and accuracy is pretty good for fun the berry bullet are sweet too
Awesome video answered all my questions I had and some I never knew to ask 👍
They'll gain even more popularity after we get another more comprehensive AWB that we had to endure last time. Then of course, they'll come after lever guns next.
Buy a rolling block or trapdoor and research old practices.
Food & Firearms Yep !
Thank you
Mad respect on the Pseudonym cookie! Know I know, I love it, mine would be "el frijol 45" LOL. Great vid.
I think I heard somewhere that Teddy Roosevelt also had an 1895 chambered in 405 that he called “Big Medicine “.
One of my favourite presidents.
Yes John that's the story in the history books,,,,I have got to shoot a 405 and for a round of so many years ago it would have no problem keeping pace with the newest ,,,it was a real thumper bar none.
Very well done.
Any idea why my .44 Rossi shuts groups with .44 Magnum but shoots patterns with .44 Special cases/loads?
DOUG out
Maybe use a larger diameter boolit. The shorter OAL in the 44 special cartridge results in a much longer bullet jump. Use the largest diameter cast boolit that will easily chamber in your rifle. This will help the boolit stay properly aligned in the throat until it travels far enough forward to engage the rifling.
Thanks again.
Henry Long Ranger also feeds from a detachable box magazine as well.
The no 1 consideration is you need primers and powder.
Lol stop with your fairy and unicorn nonsense. We all know primers are an old wives tale.
Hard to find, and expect when you dp! ❤
I'd be VERY happy with your 50 yd off hand target results. Nice shooting, Cookie!
That is a beautiful rifle
Great video 👍
What about the win 1873 In 357?
Very informative primer ....thanks.
Excellent points made, Fortunecookie !
Who needs an AR 15 when you have a lever action rifle. A rifle with soul! 🤠
Because Bond Arms is making a lever action AR lower.
Dang. I wish this video was out a year ago when I severely jammed my marlin 44 mag. I think my rounds were too long. I had to take the gun apart and I still haven’t put it back together because I can’t find replacement screws. 😢
Thank you for this excellent video.
Winchester Lever Action rifles in .44 Mag do not handle heavier bullets neither due to their 1: 38 twist rate. They group very well with, for caliber light, 180 grain and 200 grain bullets though driven to over 2000 ft/sec. Best groups in mine are 1" with 180 gr Hornady bullets driven to 2210 ft/sec at 100 yards shot on a rail rest that eliminates human error.
You make very interesting videos... one question, what do you think of the Midwest MP190? this is the only powder I've found since the shortage began...
@chris mclaughlin This one in particular I got it from americanreloading dot com, right now there are none in stock, but I've seen it a few times on stock, just have to subscribe to their mailing list and check every once in a while, I asked for loading data in their support page and they say its similar to WSF and Autocomp, I haven't started loading but I will load 10% less their suggested load and chronograph... hopefully I don't blow up my glock.
It took a few tries but I found a cast load that shoots well from my 336 with cast bullets. I did have to use a larger bullet, sized at 0.3105 instead of 0.309. It will shoot 0.309 ok, am I use them for cheaper shooting but the larger bullet really makes a difference.
What do you think about loading 357mag level loads in 38spl cases fot the 357 lever gun? Example: 158gn RNFP with AA2400 in a .38spl case because the 357mag case with that bullet tends to jam because of length?
I’m interested in velocity differences when shooting a revolver load in a carbine. I hand loaded some .38 125gn to 850fps. Most of them had a supersonic report while shooting suppressed in my Henry X. I’m not seeing a lot of carbine load data for a 38 special.
thank you sir, k
Have you ever considered joining the social network "mewe" would like you to get in our lever action group and reloading groups .
Man that is some pretty wood on that Marlin!!
Thanks for your wisdom!😊
i want to load 45 colt for my rossi r92 and I have the Hornady xtp hollow point bullets are that safe for a tubeler magazine??
I am new to reloading my 336 in .30-30. I have the Lee Factory Crimp die you have recommended. How do I know how much to crimp?
21:39 "Why did you do this?" Because it is fun. If you aren't having fun shooting, why reload?
The Lee factory crimp die suggests a half turn more after touching the shell holder. A quarter turn further is the maximum before damaging the die. I normally go between those two positions. If you use too heavy of a crimp you can possibly damage the bullet jacket on plated or powder coated bullets.
@@williamganley4739 Thank you.
Overcrimp tends to be pretty obvious, you’ll usually get a bulge kinda. I start with a light crimp, and feel each round with my finger. After you start increasing the crimp, you’ll find it reaches a point where the rim of the case doesn’t feel sharp because it’s angled in to the cannelure. That’s usually right about right for me.
cheers mate! from au
My problem with 44 mag in my Henry is case head separation. Can’t tell which of my brass is likely to split so I end up loading one round at a time, which isn’t as fun on a lever action.
Is your chamber oversize? Are you making super hot loads?
I've got a quick question for you sir, I'm reloading my 45acp rounds and I'm running across more cases from range brass that are small primers. I know that they have both due to none corrosive issues but my question is how does this effect powder ignition and available load data? The Hodgdon sight only has large pistol primer data as does many reloading manuals. Is there a significant difference in primer power to be concerned about? Have you done any testing through Chronograph? I mean if we are using 4-5 grains of powder there is lots of empty space in that case and an even powder burn I question. Shoot me an answer or make a video if you can, I love your stuff and your information is always spot on. Thanks, Al
Surprisingly the power levels of most primers are basically irrelevant. Magnums, standards, rifle, pistol. Rifle primers are taller is pretty much the only important aspect. All brands are different powers, varying only slightly.
Just don't use obviously wrong primers in max loads.
@@bobjohnson1633 Good point for sure. I did some chronograph testing with the 45ACP and the results were not excitable for sure. I loaded 10 rounds with the small pistol primers and 10 rounds with large pistol primers. Each case had exactly the same power charge and bullets used. In the end I could see almost no difference in velocity or feel from start to finish. Both primers did the job and did it well. Amazing.
Thank you!!!
I love my 2 lever guns!!!
Great video for me as iam reloading both 45-70 and 44 mag in lever guns. It you ever get up th Los Altos rod and gun club range let me know ill get you in free as iam member based in Palo Alto.
I never put lead bullets in my lever rifles or any rifle. But that's just me on my rifles.
I'm new at reloading, and bought Tite Group. From reading, this is no good for reloading for 44 mag lever action, whether it's a Henry, Winchester or Marlin. High pressure is the issue and the powder is too fast burning, so I've read. What would you suggest a good burning powder for a lever action? I have been watching your videos for a while, excellent content and info. Stay Safe.
I like using the .44 Viet Hungolian boolits in them Marlins.
Teddy used 405 winchester in model 95
Thank you for the great videos. I have a question on reloading data for 45 Colt rifle. All i can find is revolvers data. The only rifle data I can find is for Ruger and T/C. Any advise ?
Love your videos