Musicals are a fantasy. I really dislike when people is like “why do everybody knows the choreography?” “Who wants to sing in that situation?” Well, that’s the fantasy. I mean, that’s the genre...it dosent have to be realistic, I think that’s the magic of it.
I don’t think it always has to be a fantasy. I think the songs are a way to dive into ones mind or better clarity of a situation. Dream girls, rent and phantom of the opera all have very depressing songs. They can leave you heavy hearted and you can see their point of view.
Lemonade lemon Yeah, I totally get that. But I’m not referring to the topic of the musicals being fantasy, I mean the performance. In my head they’re two planes: the reality plane and the fantasy plane; and the performance ocurres on the fantasy. It will be really dumb to see rehearsals and all that implies to make a number if the topic of the movie isn’t that...that’s why everyone knows the choreography, because the performance is a fantasy, the fantasy of expressing certain felling through a song.
I think those people don't understand the way it is written. While I love musical, I'm always disturbed by the narrative structure of it, I remember watching a lot of them with my sister and constantly asking her "do they dream now? Does it actually happen?" and I had no idea of what's going on ; plus, sometimes they do sing within the story, sometimes it's just the reflection of their émotions. I think this is a difficult genre to apprehend and it need some help to get it :)
I once burst into a song bc my friends and I were listening and then I was passing my notebooks when I suddenly applied the tone to that so it be like "Here's my notebook why doncha check em there" KSNSKSK
I've never really understood why people complain about singing in musicals. It's commonly accepted as being a component of the genre, like explosions or car chases in an action flick, or cheesiness in a romantic comedy! 🚗🎤♥️
@@lisah8438 some reasons include making fun of the "mainstream" while some are just there to mock people who love musicals. guilty having a friend who's exactly this lol
Exactly. Why nobody makes mistakes when speaking in movies, everybody speaks at the same volume, you can see in the darkness, there's music coming from nowhere, days pass in seconds? They don't, that's just tools for storytelling, like songs are in musicals.
I always wondered if it was showcasing talent they don’t have, which makes it harder to appreciate sometimes because then you can’t see yourself (saying this as I am NOT a singer to save my life). It’s a shame they can’t appreciate it for being a great performance.
My dad doesn't like musicals because it "doesn't make sense how everyone starts singing" but when I asked him why he likes certain scifi or fantasy where things dont always necessarily make sense, he said "that's different". 😂
U should do a “coming of age” movie genre,explained (ladybird,16candles,the breakfast club,easy A,clueless,moonlight,boyhood,mid90s,pretty in pink,superbad etc)
Totally, the "Coming of Age" tale has become more of a fixture in recent cinema, and I'd adore for them to analyse what makes that genre tick, and speak to its audience as a whole. 😍💜
Anita Schäfer I used to get kinda uncomfortable too, but if you give them a chance, you won't regret it Maybe for starters, you can watch Cabaret, it's set in the 30s in Germany, it's like a juxtaposition between the cabaret life and the rising of the 3rd Reich. I think you will like it because they don't casually burst into songs, it all happens in the stage of the club, so it makes more sense, hope it helps! That movie is such a classic and one of my favourite musicals
@A Broke Kpop Stan Who Stans Like 20 Groups watching a musical on film and at a theatre feels completely different. At a theatre it feels a lot more natural, as you already feel transported into a new world when you enter, see the set and feel the energy and excitement. Watching musicals on film at home can give the cheesy or cringe effect for some as they feel too rooted in reality in their own humble abode. Perhaps try seeing something on broadway? Or even go to a community theatre? I'm sure you'll enjoy it ;)
Anita Schäfer also after cabaret I’d recommend la la land because people call it a musical for people who hate musicals (even though I absolutely love it!)
"in a musical nothing dreadful ever happens" ? I don't really know what show/movie that's from but i'm pretty sure Les Mis, West Side Story, Heathers, Little Shop of Horrors, etc would disagree...
That scene It's from the movie "Dancer In The Dark"(2000), directed by Lars Von Trier and set in the early to mid 60s. Björk's character, Selma, is a poor, immigrant, single mother who is quickly turning blind, because she has a degenerative illness, and the only joy in her life are musical films, apparently all, but specially the ones from the 1930's and the ones directed by Busby Berkeley. She daydreams often about her life turning into musical numbers sometimes, when things turn sour. Since she is already going blind, i guess she didn't watch things like West Side Story and since the movie is set in 1963 or 1964 Les misérables, Heathers or Little Shop Of Horrors don't exist, yet. But yeah you're right. 😉
Dr. Horrible, Anna and the Apocalypse, Rocketman (2019), Dreamgirls, Repo The Genetic Opera, The Devil's Carnival, and we can keep going on musicals where terrible terrible things happen.
I cannot express how much i bloody love musicals and how much i love this video. I was raised on movie musicals. i remember watching them with my mum when i was little. Our go to faves were The Sound Of Music, Mary Poppins, Wizard Of Oz, Oliver and Calamity Jane. this set me up for life and i have just loved them more and more the older i have got. La La land is good, The Greatest Showman is amazing. not actually seen A Star Is Born yet but i'll get round to it. Ugh i just love them so much.
@@seppyq3672 omg yes. I jave only seen a few musicals live but every time it has been amazing. I saw Dear Evan Hansen in London back in January and it was magical
@@lucypreece7581 I really like that there's somebody who apparently LOVES Musicals with me personally maybe I don't really either HATE or LOVE musicals but maybe I still sorta of like them
@@monabohamad2242 its personal taste. You don't need to love or hate everything. There are films genres i love, some i hate and some i am indifferent about.
I wish we can bring back the epic musical movie renaissance the same way we have the superhero renaissance. I love both but I really miss musicals in movies. Even Disney is barely doing musicals now.
True I know people tried to say la la land brought original Hollywood musicals but it didn’t really captured what makes a great musical film is made of (memorable musical numbers, amazing singing and dancing) the only great part of the film is the ending
Would you consider Rocketman a musical movie? Does it have to be an original or is adaptation accepted by this definition? If so, I think the closest one coming out will be In the Heights. Or, I guess technically Cats was a true musical movie...
somethingcooliguess Well I’m referring to original or adaptations. I don’t count musical biopics personally but that’s probably my own personal taste. And yeah I was really looking forward to In The Heights and the less said about the insanity that is Cats, the better😅
@@tariqthomas9090 I agree that biopics should not count. If the biopic was about a baseball player instead of a person who plays music, the music wouldn't be a significant aspect of the film. If it was a *musical* about a baseball player, music would be significant to the story.
"In real life spontaneously breaking out into song is likely to attract some uncomfortable looks". Go to a Latino party. You won't get judged honey. Hence why Lin-Manuel Miranda, said in an interview, felt inspired to write, "In the Heights".
somehow I don't think they will...maybe because the channel Bagels After Midnight had already so many and extensie analysis that it would be veeery hard to add anything new or meaningful to it. :(
I really dislike the line "why do they suddenly sing and dance". I don't see many people asking why it is the people whose perspective we are given who fall in love in romance movies and not other random people or things like this. It is a given - and it is just the rest that has to make sense (and, like, the music has to be good)
The new show Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist does this concept in an interesting way. Only one character can see the musical numbers which allows the other characters to express their emotions. I love how it's tows the line between escapism and realism.
Crazy ex-girlfriend is some of the best of these. Combining both parody and true love for music and musicals. It's funny and ironic, but there are real reasons for why each style is chosen for the moments in the story that the creators were trying to convey. Masterfully done!
Hamilton is a musical with lots of rap in it. And that's fine. Rap was made as a form of voicing problems of discriminated people, their "I wants", their fantasies. It's not that far from it in premisse. Though musicals are far more elitists.
@@ljooni Encore, Relapse, Revival. His general obsession with dunking on celebrities, shooting fish in a barrel. The fact that he's seen as an angry old white man in the rap game now.
Actually, musicals have an even older history: European operetta came much earlier. Musicals work on the same principle, except for the difference in musical style. Thank you for the video :-)
I had never heard that Rachel Bloom quote before, but that is totally how I explain my songwriting process to people, a musical essay. The only difference is you have the benefit of the actual music to use Pathos to establish a strong tone to it. I usually use the bridge as a revelation/refutation as well to help the lyrics be more interesting through multiple listens.
I'm a huge theatre geek and this video is everything I could ever wish for. The only problem I had is that I just couldn't help but sing at every single clip.
The musical is a fascinating genre in that it is easier to make it work on stage and in animation than on film. When producing a musical, you need a huge suspension of disbelief and it's easier to do that on a stage or in a movie where the characters are drawings rather than in a live action film. Nevertheless, we need musicals in our lives, whether we're seeing one in an auditorium, on a screen after an on-stage show got taped, or as a movie musical.
Interesting point of view! For examples, look at West Side Story and The Sound of Music, both directed by Robert Wise. The stage versions of both shows begin their opening numbers fairly quickly - the environment onstage has been established. But in both films, Wise takes his time getting to the "number", establishing the reality and setting that we are going to be in. This is because Wise felt the audience couldn't just be dropped into the story. He had to guide them into it.
Why the heck am I tearing up so bad at clips of my favorite musicals? I really love musicals, guys. REALLY love them, and this subject was the perfect video for me.
Yay thanks for including Crazy Ex Girlfriend into the analysis! Will you please do videos analyzing CEG characters? Please analyze Greg, Darryl, and Rebecca ♥️
As much as I love this video essay (as I love ALL of The Take's video essays), I did feel like this one was more of a history of the musical rather than a deep look into why the musical is important. Musicals as a form are often misunderstood as being vapid and inauthentic regardless of the heavy themes or political events they grapple with - because singing one's thoughts and feelings is illogical and therefore inauthentic. However, what makes the musical so spectacular to me is how it marries logic (spoken word) with emotion (music) - allowing audiences to simultaneously engage with their intellect AND their feelings (two aspects of humanity that are far too frequently juxtaposed in film and media). Music can also add cultural value to a story in a way that words cannot (e.g. Caroline, or Change used blues music and African tribal music to demonstrate Caroline's deep emotional ties to her roots). Above all, I feel that the musical form is most valuable in the way that it creates a more engaging story by constantly oscillating between two different mediums - the spoken word and song. The audience doesn't know what to expect, which means they can't get too comfortable (which is why Cabaret is so effective - it makes use of music in surprising and confrontational ways). Again, I love The Take SO MUCH, but I also love musicals and I feel they deserve deeper recognition.
Frances, you need to write an essay or do a video essay or something to get these concepts out there for people to understand. You're on a whole other level than this video. This is not just a compliment; this is me urging you.
Hi. You guys put a lot of effort and hard work in making these videos, which clearly shows while watching them. You do a lot of reasearch. Keep up the brilliant work. I have a question : how many days do you take to research, edit and make a whole video like this? Please answer. Love your videos!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
CRAZY EX GIRLFRIEND IS A MUSICAL SITCOM (still hoping u go through the series someday!!!) ACK P.S. I LOVE THIS TROPE BEST EDIT: GAAAAH CXG IS ON THE LIST I CANT BELIEVE IT
I adore your profile picture and screen name! ♥️ I've basically spent half of my quarantine shamelessly existing on "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" episodes, and it absolutely gives me life! 💖
@@stancrazyexgirlfriend8760 Yes, of course, I'm present for all of your "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" inquiries, feelings and facts! 😘 What's your favourite song from the show overall? 🎹🎵
@@trinaq Strip Away My Conscience ORR Trapped in a car with someone I dont wanna be trapped in a car with !! (Gettin' Bi is THE BOMB TOO) Ooh I have tumblr we can talk there too! it's helloereht i think lmao Which is ur fave???
I’ve noticed that a lot of people who say they hate musicals have only actually seen one or two. Sometimes they haven’t even seen any. Which is really annoying. Because to me if that would be like if someone saw one or two comedies and decided they hated all of them. All musicals are different so just because you don’t like one of them doesn’t mean you won’t like another.
I love how "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" handles its musical numbers. The songs are inspired by popular musical artists. As the series progresses, the songs begin to reflect how Rebecca sees her life, her undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder, and how she resolves to make a better life for herself. 🎵🎼🎤
Trina Q I also like how Crazy Ex-Girlfriend’s numbers became progressively less about Rebecca and began to focus on the other characters, especially with the revelation that she couldn’t actually sing in real life. It really showed just how much Rebecca’s recovery lead to her being a lot less self-involved and more grounded and empathetic to other people’s struggles.
I loved Rebecca's reprise in S2 finale. It was so unexpected and wrapped up her smaller problems with her largest problem. And her idea that this problem was solved was so heartbreaking.
Ditto, it's one of my all time favourite musicals, and it's insanely toe tapping, energetic and feel good. What more could you possibly ask for, right?! 🎶🎤💃
You always come up with such special and thought provoking videos! I appreciate each and every one! This one on musicals was great for me. Musicals were what I grew up with. My mom encouraged me to watch the old black and white Astaire , Rogers films; and it blossomed from there. I love how musical genre films have not only grown with us in our society; they have become a part of our being.
Thank you for making this video. This whole time I never knew the song from the saddest episode of Futurama came from The Umbrellas of Cherbourg musical. Now I need to find and watch the entirety of the film. Thank you again. Musicals have always been my favorite genre of film. To me they are everything. They show all of the incredible talents of the actors. That's why I love older films much more than the newer ones. Even though I love films because of the immense creativity and imagination behind each film. There has always been a larger and more significant place in my heart for musicals.
I just realized that Jake Paralta and Amy Santiago from Brooklyn Ninie-Nine have the Ron Weasley /Hernione Grager dynamic the Harry Potter Movies should have depicted.
I think of some moments in my life could be a musical. Like, for every moment I felt something I couldn't express there was a song coming to mind that sums it up well.
I was thinking the same thing. Like come on........and also The Lion King, The Princess and the Frog too. Where was highlighting of great singers in Dreamgirls as well? I swear for them to be knowledgeable, they sure are missing some other pivotal movies.....smh!
People burst into song in musicals because that’s just how things are in their fictional world. That’s it. If you simply don’t like musicals, you don’t need to justify it with typical complaints such as “why do they randomly sing and dance?”
I love this video. I have few videos of The Take added to my personal favourites and this one goes there too. So uplifting that it melted my heart completely. To be very honest i am waiting for video that will go through symbolism and philosophy of Sense8 and after that i will be able to die happy ❤❤❤❤❤
I can see people being impatient with musicals because the large dance numbers do go on for a while and the image of traditional, wholesome musicals. I have a theory that enjoyment of musicals depends on exposure at a young age. I grew up during the Disney Renaissance and saw the Sound of Music and the Wizard of Oz on rotation as a child. As a teen, I thought I only liked subversive or dark musicals such as the Book of Mormon and Spring Awakening. I didn't realize at the time that some classic musicals are incredibly dark such as Cabaret or Gypsy. As an adult, I accepted my love for musicals and am married to a man who did not grow up with musicals or Disney movies. Since his image of musicals is from the wholesome and "cheesy", I've slowly exposed him to some of the "darker" musicals (Chicago, Sweeny Todd, Little Shop of Horrors, Hedwig and the Angry Inch) and he's really interested in seeing Cabaret.
There might be some truth to that theory but it's not a 100% guarantee. I grew up during that era too and I never liked the musical parts in Disney movies, I just accepted and tolerated them. I've seen a play of Sweeney Todd too and I hated that, so it's not just the cheesy musicals that I dislike
@@narutofan08nd12 I'm curious why exactly did you dislike the musical parts. Sometimes I do feel like they drag on longer than I'd like, especially when there are dance numbers involved.
I love a good dance number. 42nd Street is fun for that very reason, as is Joseph. My heart belongs to Little Shop of Horrors. Fell in love with that puppet the first time I saw that movie and then the show! So impressed even today!
I think its the "escapist" part of musicals that pushes people away. I don't like cheesiness. I don't even like action films that are mindless power fantasies. For me those things serve no purpose. I prefer watching the kind of entertainment that challenges my mind with new and bold perspectives or if it presents a problem-solving opportunity. I could watch the struggles of a Christian missionary in a tropical jungle. I could also watch the daily life of a Police officer in a crime-ridden city. But I'm not going to watch the antics of a love-triangle or an unstoppable, flawless fast-and-furious protagonist.
I'm happy to see my favorite musical , Buffy's Once More With Feeling, make the clips. It's a combination of my favorite show and my favorite genre. And it was actually amazing unlike most TV show musicals
Am surprised they didn’t talk how musicals now talk about Mental Health like Dear Evan Hansen, Jagged little Pill and Next to normal. Also how musical now have different adaptation music like Great Comet and Hadestown.
Anna G Vazquez Colon Hamilton was a phenomenon that literally everyone just kinda knows, even if they haven’t seen/listened to it yet. It’s easier to talk about it than talking about a stage musical (even if it’s well known within the community).
"Happy Days" did a musical episode in the '70's. And Robert Morse starred in a musical series called "That's Life" that ran on ABC for one season ('68/'69). I'd love to see it.
@@TabbyeLynne I mean, the one thing I'll definitely give them is that all the actors were actually singing in OMWF. Two actors in Bitter Suite were dubbed, unfortunately.
Trivia: "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is not the first animated feature film. The shadow-puppet feature film "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" (1926) predated it by eleven years. I understand that two animated feature films from Argentina are even older but are now lost. However, "Snow White" is the oldest surviving feature-length cartoon. The rise of color movie musicals in the 1950s wasn't due so much to Technicolor, which needed three separate rolls of film for each take, but the invention of Eastmancolor (which went by different names depending on the studio), which required only one roll of film for each shot.
Amazing video as always! Would love to hear your take on the phenomenon of supernatural teen dramas (like Vampire Diaries and Teen Wolf) and their huge appeal to young, primarily female audiences
This was really well done. I was hoping for inclusion of more international musicals like Devdas or Sarafina. Bollywood musicals helped me get through college.
You know, Xena had a musical episode a year or 2 before Buffy, called "The Bitter Suite." In fact , Joss Whedon has said it inspired him to do the one on Buffy. And it was an excellent ep of original music wrapping up a very emotionally intense storyline, much like Buffy's.
Definitely my favourite vid so far. I just love musicals. Perfect for part time escapists 😊 I read every comment and reply so far. Always great to know there are like minded peeps out there and I gain new perspective from opposing points of view. So yeah, non-musical lovers, I appreciate y'all. Musical lovers, virtual high fives all round ✋
I have never been a big musical person, there are some that I do really like (La la land, West side story), but in general, I have always preferred traditional films to movie musicals. But I LOVE this analysis. Even if I never love musicals, this really helped me appreciate them as a medium for storytelling, and a representation of fantasy and dreams
We need the movie musical because musicals are awesome! Also, theater may not be coming back for a long time because of corona. We are going to need movie musicals even more!
Are we really going to pretend that Buffy pioneered the "First musical episode" in a drama show, when Xena Warrior princess did it TWICE? I seriously, just can't even....just....ugh...
Now that you mention it, there are quite some paralels..in both shows there is a mystical power, forcing them to express emotions they usually don't and in both shows its a turning point from a real low point (i count bitter suite as xenas musical becauae it was the first and best implemented, the others were more fun episodes)
@@saraa.4295 Yes. The Bitter Suite was the best one, because it was SO well done and also it was the summation of HUGE emotional story arc. I just get so mad that it never gets the credit it deserves. Maybe The Take will do a Xena series? (Hint hint, y'all)
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Musicals are a fantasy. I really dislike when people is like “why do everybody knows the choreography?” “Who wants to sing in that situation?” Well, that’s the fantasy. I mean, that’s the genre...it dosent have to be realistic, I think that’s the magic of it.
Why would you sing in that situation? Clearly they've never met me. Every emotion is best expressed through song.
I don’t think it always has to be a fantasy. I think the songs are a way to dive into ones mind or better clarity of a situation. Dream girls, rent and phantom of the opera all have very depressing songs. They can leave you heavy hearted and you can see their point of view.
Lemonade lemon Yeah, I totally get that. But I’m not referring to the topic of the musicals being fantasy, I mean the performance. In my head they’re two planes: the reality plane and the fantasy plane; and the performance ocurres on the fantasy. It will be really dumb to see rehearsals and all that implies to make a number if the topic of the movie isn’t that...that’s why everyone knows the choreography, because the performance is a fantasy, the fantasy of expressing certain felling through a song.
@@cbpd89 totes agree. I feel like there's a lyric that can be applied to every situation hahahaha
I think those people don't understand the way it is written. While I love musical, I'm always disturbed by the narrative structure of it, I remember watching a lot of them with my sister and constantly asking her "do they dream now? Does it actually happen?" and I had no idea of what's going on ; plus, sometimes they do sing within the story, sometimes it's just the reflection of their émotions. I think this is a difficult genre to apprehend and it need some help to get it :)
Who wouldn't want to be able to burst out into song when they're pissed or overjoyed?
I always break out in song in those cases! :)
I once burst into a song bc my friends and I were listening and then I was passing my notebooks when I suddenly applied the tone to that so it be like "Here's my notebook why doncha check em there" KSNSKSK
@@stancrazyexgirlfriend8760 love your name
Me. I wouldn't
Ashleigh Tompkins exactly!
Musical theater kids came out of the shadows for this
Yes. Yes we did.
How did you know!?!?!
Oh yeah we did
I feel called out
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This doesn't apply to Bollywood cause in Bollywood every movie is a musical.
Music on bollywood is just because Indians love music. They say put it cause is cool.
Bollywood puts every genre in each movie. I love it
@@isaacj.elliott2137 oh yeah 😂 even on horror😂
@@marianamartinezjimenez7145 yup so Bollywood doesn't necessarily have musicals.
@@isaacj.elliott2137 dude but they starting remix of old classics which are terrible.
I've never really understood why people complain about singing in musicals. It's commonly accepted as being a component of the genre, like explosions or car chases in an action flick, or cheesiness in a romantic comedy! 🚗🎤♥️
I don't under why people who don't like musicals watch musicals.
@@lisah8438 some reasons include making fun of the "mainstream" while some are just there to mock people who love musicals. guilty having a friend who's exactly this lol
I've never actually thought of that, so insightful, thanks
Exactly. Why nobody makes mistakes when speaking in movies, everybody speaks at the same volume, you can see in the darkness, there's music coming from nowhere, days pass in seconds? They don't, that's just tools for storytelling, like songs are in musicals.
I always wondered if it was showcasing talent they don’t have, which makes it harder to appreciate sometimes because then you can’t see yourself (saying this as I am NOT a singer to save my life). It’s a shame they can’t appreciate it for being a great performance.
"Why do we need musicals?" Oh, you know, only because life wouldn't be remotely worth living without them.
Amen!
Make em laaaaugh make em laaaaugh dontcha know evwryone wants to lauGH
Facts!!!
YES!!!
My dad doesn't like musicals because it "doesn't make sense how everyone starts singing" but when I asked him why he likes certain scifi or fantasy where things dont always necessarily make sense, he said "that's different". 😂
I genuinely think that’s a dad thing cause my dad says the exact same thing..😂
Yep, it must BE, as mine also says the same thing! 😂
@D. A-Y Productions
About the sports teams singing national anthems before starting the game has something to do with patriotism
I like musicals because of my dad. I grew up with them.
@@thecod2345 exactly. Also the music in them is never enjoyable. I hated every short clip of a song that played during this video
I've been a fan of musicals ever since I was a kid but I couldn't sing or dance. Still it's not not stopped me from loving the genre.
I've done the same thing too
Nothing wrong with that at all 🙂 you don’t have to be good at it to enjoy 😁
Same
Same! You don’t have to work on them to watch them and love them. ❤️
Same but my parents outright discouraged art
if my life was a musical, i would want a great villain song for my yr 7 self
7 grade was brutal man
Aastha Bisht OMFG YESSS!!
7th grade was my nightmare
oH there's an existential song in Crazy Ex Girlfriend entitled I'm the Villain in my own Story !! if u'd like hehe
👏 I'm with you there lol
U should do a “coming of age” movie genre,explained (ladybird,16candles,the breakfast club,easy A,clueless,moonlight,boyhood,mid90s,pretty in pink,superbad etc)
The edge of 17 is a masterpiece for coming of age and I still don't know why I feel this way?
Totally, the "Coming of Age" tale has become more of a fixture in recent cinema, and I'd adore for them to analyse what makes that genre tick, and speak to its audience as a whole. 😍💜
I love all those movies
I really think a video about Booksmart would be perfect for them!
booksmart, the edge of 17 and ladybird are the best coming of age of this recent years
For those that dont like Musicals I have a question WHO HURT YOU??? WANNA SING ABOUT IT????
Honestly, I don't know why I don't like them. I feel awkward when people suddenly start to sing. But after this video I may give them a second chance.
Anita Schäfer I used to get kinda uncomfortable too, but if you give them a chance, you won't regret it
Maybe for starters, you can watch Cabaret, it's set in the 30s in Germany, it's like a juxtaposition between the cabaret life and the rising of the 3rd Reich. I think you will like it because they don't casually burst into songs, it all happens in the stage of the club, so it makes more sense, hope it helps! That movie is such a classic and one of my favourite musicals
People are gonna sing about how much they hate musicals
@A Broke Kpop Stan Who Stans Like 20 Groups watching a musical on film and at a theatre feels completely different. At a theatre it feels a lot more natural, as you already feel transported into a new world when you enter, see the set and feel the energy and excitement. Watching musicals on film at home can give the cheesy or cringe effect for some as they feel too rooted in reality in their own humble abode. Perhaps try seeing something on broadway? Or even go to a community theatre? I'm sure you'll enjoy it ;)
Anita Schäfer also after cabaret I’d recommend la la land because people call it a musical for people who hate musicals (even though I absolutely love it!)
"in a musical nothing dreadful ever happens" ? I don't really know what show/movie that's from but i'm pretty sure Les Mis, West Side Story, Heathers, Little Shop of Horrors, etc would disagree...
That scene It's from the movie "Dancer In The Dark"(2000), directed by Lars Von Trier and set in the early to mid 60s. Björk's character, Selma, is a poor, immigrant, single mother who is quickly turning blind, because she has a degenerative illness, and the only joy in her life are musical films, apparently all, but specially the ones from the 1930's and the ones directed by Busby Berkeley. She daydreams often about her life turning into musical numbers sometimes, when things turn sour. Since she is already going blind, i guess she didn't watch things like West Side Story and since the movie is set in 1963 or 1964 Les misérables, Heathers or Little Shop Of Horrors don't exist, yet. But yeah you're right. 😉
Dr. Horrible, Anna and the Apocalypse, Rocketman (2019), Dreamgirls, Repo The Genetic Opera, The Devil's Carnival, and we can keep going on musicals where terrible terrible things happen.
"Snowwhite dwarfs them all."
Here's to you, 1937 journalist. 👍👏👏
I cannot express how much i bloody love musicals and how much i love this video. I was raised on movie musicals. i remember watching them with my mum when i was little. Our go to faves were The Sound Of Music, Mary Poppins, Wizard Of Oz, Oliver and Calamity Jane. this set me up for life and i have just loved them more and more the older i have got. La La land is good, The Greatest Showman is amazing. not actually seen A Star Is Born yet but i'll get round to it. Ugh i just love them so much.
Ditto! Movie musicals are the best (well, as far as movies go. Of course live theater is even better.)
@@seppyq3672 omg yes. I jave only seen a few musicals live but every time it has been amazing. I saw Dear Evan Hansen in London back in January and it was magical
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I really like that there's somebody who apparently LOVES Musicals
with me personally maybe I don't really either HATE or LOVE musicals but maybe I still sorta of like them
@@monabohamad2242 its personal taste. You don't need to love or hate everything. There are films genres i love, some i hate and some i am indifferent about.
Watch the Hamilton movie version (that Disney+ released this year) as well
I wish we can bring back the epic musical movie renaissance the same way we have the superhero renaissance.
I love both but I really miss musicals in movies. Even Disney is barely doing musicals now.
True I know people tried to say la la land brought original Hollywood musicals but it didn’t really captured what makes a great musical film is made of (memorable musical numbers, amazing singing and dancing) the only great part of the film is the ending
Would you consider Rocketman a musical movie? Does it have to be an original or is adaptation accepted by this definition? If so, I think the closest one coming out will be In the Heights. Or, I guess technically Cats was a true musical movie...
somethingcooliguess Well I’m referring to original or adaptations. I don’t count musical biopics personally but that’s probably my own personal taste. And yeah I was really looking forward to In The Heights and the less said about the insanity that is Cats, the better😅
@@tariqthomas9090 I agree that biopics should not count. If the biopic was about a baseball player instead of a person who plays music, the music wouldn't be a significant aspect of the film. If it was a *musical* about a baseball player, music would be significant to the story.
omg yes please
"In real life spontaneously breaking out into song is likely to attract some uncomfortable looks". Go to a Latino party. You won't get judged honey. Hence why Lin-Manuel Miranda, said in an interview, felt inspired to write, "In the Heights".
Hey The Take, you’ve included Crazy Ex Girlfriend a buncha times... *slides two dollars* how about that series analysis huh
That better be a two dollar bill and not two one dollar bills.
Bribing people in corona-economy do be like that 😂
somehow I don't think they will...maybe because the channel Bagels After Midnight had already so many and extensie analysis that it would be veeery hard to add anything new or meaningful to it. :(
I really dislike the line "why do they suddenly sing and dance". I don't see many people asking why it is the people whose perspective we are given who fall in love in romance movies and not other random people or things like this. It is a given - and it is just the rest that has to make sense (and, like, the music has to be good)
To be fair, anyone would, while watching a genre that they're not into, kind of point every strange thing the said genre brings
The new show Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist does this concept in an interesting way. Only one character can see the musical numbers which allows the other characters to express their emotions. I love how it's tows the line between escapism and realism.
True, it’s just kind of a shame how none of them can sing lol
I loved that show! I hope there can be a season 2 although the ending was heartbreaking ;(
Yes to season 2! So excited!
Crazy ex-girlfriend is some of the best of these. Combining both parody and true love for music and musicals. It's funny and ironic, but there are real reasons for why each style is chosen for the moments in the story that the creators were trying to convey. Masterfully done!
Better not tell Eminem that 8 Mile is a musical. He'll lose all his street cred, 😆
Hasn't he lost it for about 15 years now?
Why do you think that?
I like this point. It is a musical! But a different kind of one!
Hamilton is a musical with lots of rap in it. And that's fine.
Rap was made as a form of voicing problems of discriminated people, their "I wants", their fantasies. It's not that far from it in premisse. Though musicals are far more elitists.
@@ljooni Encore, Relapse, Revival. His general obsession with dunking on celebrities, shooting fish in a barrel. The fact that he's seen as an angry old white man in the rap game now.
Actually, musicals have an even older history: European operetta came much earlier. Musicals work on the same principle, except for the difference in musical style. Thank you for the video :-)
Yeah, they act like musicals were a brand new concept invented in the 1920s, when people have been combining acting with singing for centuries
The video is specifically about the movie musical. They say it at the start
The title specifically states that it’s about the movie musical.
@@Francesca-kt3xv lmao no they didn't
The remake of Hairspray is my favourite, is so vibrant, colorful and full of heart, that I can't help to get chills every time💗
I had never heard that Rachel Bloom quote before, but that is totally how I explain my songwriting process to people, a musical essay. The only difference is you have the benefit of the actual music to use Pathos to establish a strong tone to it. I usually use the bridge as a revelation/refutation as well to help the lyrics be more interesting through multiple listens.
People who "don't like musicals" only have their head in the game and not their heart in the song...yet
I'm a huge theatre geek and this video is everything I could ever wish for. The only problem I had is that I just couldn't help but sing at every single clip.
The musical is a fascinating genre in that it is easier to make it work on stage and in animation than on film. When producing a musical, you need a huge suspension of disbelief and it's easier to do that on a stage or in a movie where the characters are drawings rather than in a live action film. Nevertheless, we need musicals in our lives, whether we're seeing one in an auditorium, on a screen after an on-stage show got taped, or as a movie musical.
Interesting point of view! For examples, look at West Side Story and The Sound of Music, both directed by Robert Wise. The stage versions of both shows begin their opening numbers fairly quickly - the environment onstage has been established. But in both films, Wise takes his time getting to the "number", establishing the reality and setting that we are going to be in. This is because Wise felt the audience couldn't just be dropped into the story. He had to guide them into it.
Why the heck am I tearing up so bad at clips of my favorite musicals? I really love musicals, guys. REALLY love them, and this subject was the perfect video for me.
Welp time to re-watch all my favorite musicals!
can't believe I've sung along to most of these clips
as one of the musical theatre kids i totally would break out of songs when I'm too emotional, or just in a regular basis
Yay thanks for including Crazy Ex Girlfriend into the analysis! Will you please do videos analyzing CEG characters? Please analyze Greg, Darryl, and Rebecca ♥️
IM ON BOARD WITH U
I actually love movie musicals. Thanks for the video.
Glad to see Gold Diggers of 1933 get some love, there is a reason it is considered one of the great Pre Codes...
also shout out to some great cult films with at least a great musical number or two...
Phantom of the Paradise
Bugsy Malone
The Apple
The Big Lebowski
As much as I love this video essay (as I love ALL of The Take's video essays), I did feel like this one was more of a history of the musical rather than a deep look into why the musical is important. Musicals as a form are often misunderstood as being vapid and inauthentic regardless of the heavy themes or political events they grapple with - because singing one's thoughts and feelings is illogical and therefore inauthentic. However, what makes the musical so spectacular to me is how it marries logic (spoken word) with emotion (music) - allowing audiences to simultaneously engage with their intellect AND their feelings (two aspects of humanity that are far too frequently juxtaposed in film and media). Music can also add cultural value to a story in a way that words cannot (e.g. Caroline, or Change used blues music and African tribal music to demonstrate Caroline's deep emotional ties to her roots). Above all, I feel that the musical form is most valuable in the way that it creates a more engaging story by constantly oscillating between two different mediums - the spoken word and song. The audience doesn't know what to expect, which means they can't get too comfortable (which is why Cabaret is so effective - it makes use of music in surprising and confrontational ways). Again, I love The Take SO MUCH, but I also love musicals and I feel they deserve deeper recognition.
Totally agree!
Frances, you need to write an essay or do a video essay or something to get these concepts out there for people to understand. You're on a whole other level than this video. This is not just a compliment; this is me urging you.
@@kevinbremer3581 Thanks so much! I'll think about that :)
Hi. You guys put a lot of effort and hard work in making these videos, which clearly shows while watching them. You do a lot of reasearch. Keep up the brilliant work. I have a question : how many days do you take to research, edit and make a whole video like this? Please answer. Love your videos!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
"Remember my forgotten man" is such a powerful number and really was a gut punch because it was very unexpected at least for me.
CRAZY EX GIRLFRIEND IS A MUSICAL SITCOM (still hoping u go through the series someday!!!) ACK P.S. I LOVE THIS TROPE BEST
EDIT: GAAAAH CXG IS ON THE LIST I CANT BELIEVE IT
I adore your profile picture and screen name! ♥️ I've basically spent half of my quarantine shamelessly existing on "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" episodes, and it absolutely gives me life! 💖
YES YES YES WE NEED IT
@@trinaq Thank you!! AND YES I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AACK do u wanna talk some more abt the series?? I havent found anyone who's interested enough 😭
@@stancrazyexgirlfriend8760 Yes, of course, I'm present for all of your "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" inquiries, feelings and facts! 😘 What's your favourite song from the show overall? 🎹🎵
@@trinaq Strip Away My Conscience ORR Trapped in a car with someone I dont wanna be trapped in a car with !! (Gettin' Bi is THE BOMB TOO)
Ooh I have tumblr we can talk there too! it's helloereht i think lmao
Which is ur fave???
I’ve noticed that a lot of people who say they hate musicals have only actually seen one or two. Sometimes they haven’t even seen any. Which is really annoying. Because to me if that would be like if someone saw one or two comedies and decided they hated all of them. All musicals are different so just because you don’t like one of them doesn’t mean you won’t like another.
I love how "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" handles its musical numbers. The songs are inspired by popular musical artists. As the series progresses, the songs begin to reflect how Rebecca sees her life, her undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder, and how she resolves to make a better life for herself. 🎵🎼🎤
Trina Q I also like how Crazy Ex-Girlfriend’s numbers became progressively less about Rebecca and began to focus on the other characters, especially with the revelation that she couldn’t actually sing in real life. It really showed just how much Rebecca’s recovery lead to her being a lot less self-involved and more grounded and empathetic to other people’s struggles.
YES OMG SPREAD THE SERIES 🥺✊ the show is so underrated for the details and talent put into it 😭
@@tariqthomas9090 TRULY 😭😭😭
I loved Rebecca's reprise in S2 finale. It was so unexpected and wrapped up her smaller problems with her largest problem. And her idea that this problem was solved was so heartbreaking.
🎵🎶My Diagnosis!! 🎵🎶
Please do a video on LGBT cinema tropes
yes. yes and yes. since it is Pride month that would be awesome
They recently did a take on the "Bury Your Gays" trope
This video makes the theatre kid in me so happy 🥰🥰
Me too, though it probably comes as no real surprise, thanks to my profile picture! 😂 I've always loved dabbling in community theatre! 🎶🎭
9:17 " 'Cause in a musical, nothing dreadful ever happens."
*squints intensely at Hamliton*
So you just ain't gon mention cats huh??? 😂 😂 😂
We should just pretend it doesn't exist.
@@a.d.w8385 Tried to make a reference to a song from cats. Cat got my tongue. Yes you can hate me now.
That abomination was erased from our minds
It's in the litterbox...
Very interesting take to say that 8 Mile was a musical. Never thought of it from that perspective.
He lives in a world where bursting into song isn’t part of dream sequences
Literally never thought of 8 Mile as a musical lol
So much can be expressed through music and dance. Musicals can be anything and it's great!!
I rewatched hairspray last night and I’m still buzzing! So much music, colour, energy...ah it’s amazing!
Hairspray is amazing. They took it off Netflix here in the U.S and I am PISSED 😤 😤
Ditto, it's one of my all time favourite musicals, and it's insanely toe tapping, energetic and feel good. What more could you possibly ask for, right?! 🎶🎤💃
@@tariqthomas9090 I watched it on amazon prime if that's any help :-)
@@trinaq great sense of escapism and very appropriate given the blm movement...2 hours just flew by :-)
You always come up with such special and thought provoking videos! I appreciate each and every one! This one on musicals was great for me. Musicals were what I grew up with. My mom encouraged me to watch the old black and white Astaire , Rogers films; and it blossomed from there. I love how musical genre films have not only grown with us in our society; they have become a part of our being.
Thank you for making this video. This whole time I never knew the song from the saddest episode of Futurama came from The Umbrellas of Cherbourg musical. Now I need to find and watch the entirety of the film. Thank you again. Musicals have always been my favorite genre of film. To me they are everything. They show all of the incredible talents of the actors. That's why I love older films much more than the newer ones. Even though I love films because of the immense creativity and imagination behind each film. There has always been a larger and more significant place in my heart for musicals.
I have cried so much in this video. I needed that. Thank you, The Take! You always deliver.
I absolutely loved this! Musicals are my favorite genre of film. The ending of this video made me so emotional
I absolutely love your videos and your ability to analyze movies/shows. I appreciate this channel so much! You guys are so great!
I just realized that Jake Paralta and Amy Santiago from Brooklyn Ninie-Nine have the Ron Weasley
/Hernione Grager dynamic the Harry Potter Movies should have depicted.
every time I think you've covered all of my favourite things, you manage to come out with yet another incredible video! thank you
Musical will always have special place in my heart ❤️
I cried with this video. Thank you!
I think of some moments in my life could be a musical. Like, for every moment I felt something I couldn't express there was a song coming to mind that sums it up well.
Thank youuuu, the world needs more attention on the history of the musical, the film language wouldn’t be the same without them
It is an absolute crime that "The Wiz" was not talked about in this video.
I noticed that. Smh
I was thinking the same thing. Like come on........and also The Lion King, The Princess and the Frog too. Where was highlighting of great singers in Dreamgirls as well? I swear for them to be knowledgeable, they sure are missing some other pivotal movies.....smh!
What's the point of musical?
Bollywood: LOL.
God I love musicals. Also thanks again for mentioning CXG, can't wait to see you do a full analysis of the show someday!
The point of musical
Explore the world in lenses we can understand through music
LOVE musicals! So glad you did this one!! 😍😍😍
My favorite Music as are Summer Holiday (1963), Young Girls of Rochefort, Funny Girl and My Fair Lady,...
I Love your channel, and how much research goes into every video! Thank you for introducing me to New films.
musicals awaken the inner theatre kid in me 😌😌 love them sm!
I love your videos, they're so well created! They make me think of aspects of movies so differently. Thank you!
Gee I love having your channel in my life 🎁.
Once again, this episode is so interesting and adds to my understanding of film and culture.
Thank you for this awesome celebration of movie musicals. So good. Pa. Thanks for the Buffy reference.
People burst into song in musicals because that’s just how things are in their fictional world. That’s it. If you simply don’t like musicals, you don’t need to justify it with typical complaints such as “why do they randomly sing and dance?”
why do they randomly sing and dance?
ALL I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS THIS CHANNEL TALKING ABOUT MUSICALS I AM SO EXCITED
A dazzling sum of the genre. Thanks, The Take, it is perfect!
that episode was amazing, I learned so much and discovered so many new musicals to watch ! thank you!
West Side Story makes me wanna dance fight
Thank you from a massive musical fan ❤️
I love this video. I have few videos of The Take added to my personal favourites and this one goes there too.
So uplifting that it melted my heart completely.
To be very honest i am waiting for video that will go through symbolism and philosophy of Sense8 and after that i will be able to die happy ❤❤❤❤❤
I can see people being impatient with musicals because the large dance numbers do go on for a while and the image of traditional, wholesome musicals.
I have a theory that enjoyment of musicals depends on exposure at a young age. I grew up during the Disney Renaissance and saw the Sound of Music and the Wizard of Oz on rotation as a child. As a teen, I thought I only liked subversive or dark musicals such as the Book of Mormon and Spring Awakening. I didn't realize at the time that some classic musicals are incredibly dark such as Cabaret or Gypsy.
As an adult, I accepted my love for musicals and am married to a man who did not grow up with musicals or Disney movies. Since his image of musicals is from the wholesome and "cheesy", I've slowly exposed him to some of the "darker" musicals (Chicago, Sweeny Todd, Little Shop of Horrors, Hedwig and the Angry Inch) and he's really interested in seeing Cabaret.
There might be some truth to that theory but it's not a 100% guarantee. I grew up during that era too and I never liked the musical parts in Disney movies, I just accepted and tolerated them. I've seen a play of Sweeney Todd too and I hated that, so it's not just the cheesy musicals that I dislike
@@narutofan08nd12 I'm curious why exactly did you dislike the musical parts. Sometimes I do feel like they drag on longer than I'd like, especially when there are dance numbers involved.
I love a good dance number. 42nd Street is fun for that very reason, as is Joseph. My heart belongs to Little Shop of Horrors. Fell in love with that puppet the first time I saw that movie and then the show! So impressed even today!
I think its the "escapist" part of musicals that pushes people away.
I don't like cheesiness. I don't even like action films that are mindless power fantasies. For me those things serve no purpose.
I prefer watching the kind of entertainment that challenges my mind with new and bold perspectives or if it presents a problem-solving opportunity.
I could watch the struggles of a Christian missionary in a tropical jungle. I could also watch the daily life of a Police officer in a crime-ridden city.
But I'm not going to watch the antics of a love-triangle or an unstoppable, flawless fast-and-furious protagonist.
Sound of music is terrible. It made me have a distaste for musicals. I like some of the Disney movies though, such as hunchback of Notre Dame
I'm happy to see my favorite musical , Buffy's Once More With Feeling, make the clips. It's a combination of my favorite show and my favorite genre. And it was actually amazing unlike most TV show musicals
Thank you for making this video! It meant the world to me!!
This video gave me an appreciation for musicals that I never had before
I think this is one of your best essays so far
Make a video explaining the "Doomed Teen Romance" trope, movies like Love Story, A Walk to Remember and the Fault in Our Stars.
I love musicals so much! This video has just made me want to do one big musical marathon
Am surprised they didn’t talk how musicals now talk about Mental Health like Dear Evan Hansen, Jagged little Pill and Next to normal. Also how musical now have different adaptation music like Great Comet and Hadestown.
Well they are talking about movie musicals rather than stage ones.
Isla Sullivan But they still talk about Hamilton
JLP is phenomenal!
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Hamilton was a phenomenon that literally everyone just kinda knows, even if they haven’t seen/listened to it yet. It’s easier to talk about it than talking about a stage musical (even if it’s well known within the community).
@@rizatusz8163 Not OP but that makes a lot of sense. I remember Hamilton exploding before I was into musicals.
This is the moment where crazy ex gf fans and theatre kids shine
To be That Pedantic Person, Xena: Warrior Princess did the TV musical episode before Buffy did.
But Buffy did it better
In fact, Bitter Suite was the reason the Buffy musical ep didn't happen earlier, the writers didn't want people to think they were copying Xena.
@@TabbyeLynne OMWF is excellent, but The Bitter Suite has actors that can actually sing so I'd say it's a tie.
"Happy Days" did a musical episode in the '70's. And Robert Morse starred in a musical series called "That's Life" that ran on ABC for one season ('68/'69). I'd love to see it.
@@TabbyeLynne I mean, the one thing I'll definitely give them is that all the actors were actually singing in OMWF. Two actors in Bitter Suite were dubbed, unfortunately.
Trivia: "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is not the first animated feature film. The shadow-puppet feature film "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" (1926) predated it by eleven years. I understand that two animated feature films from Argentina are even older but are now lost. However, "Snow White" is the oldest surviving feature-length cartoon.
The rise of color movie musicals in the 1950s wasn't due so much to Technicolor, which needed three separate rolls of film for each take, but the invention of Eastmancolor (which went by different names depending on the studio), which required only one roll of film for each shot.
Amazing video as always! Would love to hear your take on the phenomenon of supernatural teen dramas (like Vampire Diaries and Teen Wolf) and their huge appeal to young, primarily female audiences
This was really well done. I was hoping for inclusion of more international musicals like Devdas or Sarafina. Bollywood musicals helped me get through college.
You know, Xena had a musical episode a year or 2 before Buffy, called "The Bitter Suite." In fact , Joss Whedon has said it inspired him to do the one on Buffy. And it was an excellent ep of original music wrapping up a very emotionally intense storyline, much like Buffy's.
Technically A Star Is Born (2019) isn't a musical because the musical numbers aren't spontaneous, they're all performed as they would be in real life
Geeking out over you including Crazy Exgirlfriemd and even Rachel's commentary on why she chose to do it asa musical :)
I love how much you use Crazy Ex Girlfriend as an example, such a great show
TRULY
Definitely my favourite vid so far. I just love musicals. Perfect for part time escapists 😊
I read every comment and reply so far. Always great to know there are like minded peeps out there and I gain new perspective from opposing points of view. So yeah, non-musical lovers, I appreciate y'all. Musical lovers, virtual high fives all round ✋
Really enjoyed this one!! I've always enjoyed musicals and now I have a way to explain to those who just don't get it. Thanks!!!😊
This channel is one of the best.
Props for mentioning Buffy!
I have never been a big musical person, there are some that I do really like (La la land, West side story), but in general, I have always preferred traditional films to movie musicals. But I LOVE this analysis. Even if I never love musicals, this really helped me appreciate them as a medium for storytelling, and a representation of fantasy and dreams
We need the movie musical because musicals are awesome! Also, theater may not be coming back for a long time because of corona. We are going to need movie musicals even more!
Well we got 4 in 2021:
In The Heights
Dear Evan Hansen
Everybody's Talking About Jamie
West Side Story
Are we really going to pretend that Buffy pioneered the "First musical episode" in a drama show, when Xena Warrior princess did it TWICE? I seriously, just can't even....just....ugh...
Xena had musical episodes ?? Oh god I didn't knew I need to see that but I feel it's my goal to find it now xD
@@unkykun S03, "Bitter Suite".
S04, "A Tale of Two Muses".
S05, "Lyre Lyre Hearts on Fire".
In fact, Bitter Suite was the reason the Buffy musical ep didn't happen earlier, the writers didn't want people to think they were copying Xena.
Now that you mention it, there are quite some paralels..in both shows there is a mystical power, forcing them to express emotions they usually don't and in both shows its a turning point from a real low point (i count bitter suite as xenas musical becauae it was the first and best implemented, the others were more fun episodes)
@@saraa.4295 Yes. The Bitter Suite was the best one, because it was SO well done and also it was the summation of HUGE emotional story arc. I just get so mad that it never gets the credit it deserves. Maybe The Take will do a Xena series? (Hint hint, y'all)