“You Don’t Blame SNYDER Enough” Downfall of The DCEU Was BIASED?
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2024
- Some are saying I ignore blatant criticisms of Zack Snyder in my DC documentary, The Downfall of The DCEU. Claiming my video was biased to push viewers in a certain direction to paint Snyder in a positive light. Today we talk about that and why I think they are extremely wrong with that accusation.
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Out of everyone, them calling you bias is so hilarious. You've always been as fair as you can be.
Snyder wasn’t the reason the DCEU failed. Sure his movies were divisive, but clearly based off his fan base and the idea he had, it could’ve worked if WB didn’t keep messing things up. WB kept changing the plans, they kept messing with Snyder’s vision, they couldn’t nail something down or work with the directors because clearly they didn’t care which basically set up the DCEU for failure
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
@@paatagigolashvili9551 I love how your copy and pasting this comment around
Yeah, WB was too reactionary over little stuff. No guts. Give an inch, lose a mile.
many people need to know that,i love trolling the trolls@@jammygamer8961
@@paatagigolashvili9551Nah he did use sources from the comic books to aid in his film.
I don't know much about filmmaking but i actually enjoyed Zack Snyder's movie. I am a non English speaker and Man of steel is my one of the all time favorite movie...
You're a good man, Our Movie! Forget the haters dude
Honestly, this is one of the unbiased channels I know.
Thank you!
Lol no
Youre so genuine, I don't see why people try so hard to vilify you, you're nothing but respectful and honest on both youtube and Twitter. Keep doing you OMN
Thank you!
Lol no.
@@OurMovieNewsno it wasn’t neutral. It was extremely biased.
@@marklue1253 it wasn’t.
They never gave MoS or BvS a chance, and even with that, it impacted enough people and is still rewatched countless times.
All I see is that alot of people, invest their time into criticizing those who liked the movies than enjoying their own movies. The movies were fine and time has proven so and will continue to, its really the fact that the MCU crowd used the general audience appeal of their movies to prevent the DCEU in the media.
From the moment they called BvS (even the butchered cut out version) a bad film, the precedent was set, you might not like the story or whatever or darkness or whatever contrivance you can find, its not a bad film, and the more technical you get about it the better it gets, this to say, the MCU had the biggest role into making super hero films NOT FILMS, but INFINITE CONTENT.
Perfectly well said 👍🏽
And the shill critics and bots helped in this process. The goal was to kill genuine cinema and propagate/promote mindless cash grab content… it worked. Most people are to dumb to question anything they’re being shown. Most people are fine to let others shape their options for them, and companies like rotten tomatoes and Warner Discovery know this.
And that’s the problem. BVS wouldn’t been so bad if it was at least built up well and given Ben Affleck’s Batman first and then Zack and WB can do BVS properly, but no. WB and Zack Snyder just has to cram in so much characters and plot points like the Knightmare scene and general audiences find the film incoherent and inconsistent.
@@luisquintero7359 the film is not inconsistent even though Geoff Jannhs or whatever made changes to Goyers script including doomsday and even that they made it work, also as stated by cavill and others the original plan was to have MoS 2 and also the Batman solo movie with death stroke.
The only movie which barely made it out as intended was MoS, WB just got scared with MCU and wanted to follow, but that is where WB was, FILM above everything, regardless the type of stories, and whether you like it or not, Nolan and Zack intended to make films and epics, not content to get cracks and giggles cheaply from the audience
@@luisquintero7359I think BvS was the Genesis point. I feel like in future films it would have referenced back to that movie. People had a MCU formula in Thier mind and there was no changing it
G'day it's Steven from down under again
Well said, you're very articulate and clever.
Stay true to your ethics and integrity...and unbiased fact sharing.
Nope, it was never the directors who were ruining the movies, it was ALWAYS the studio. They’ve shot themselves in the foot every time across the last 50 years and not even Nolan escaped their meddling. The studio is rotten. It should be ran by legitimate DC fans. Not clueless executives who hate Snyder and ask “How’s he gonna get home to Krypton if his ship is destroyed?”
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Well, Snyder was involved with the first movies and then the studio decided not to make another Superman movie with Henry Cavill nor a Batman movie with Ben Affleck and ultimately chose not to make Zack Snyder’s Justice League 2, thus choosing to continue the DCEU after Josstice, but without Snyder. Thus, there are likely other reasons regarding why the previous era on DC ended up the way it did, imo.
You could make a video that acknowledges and even agrees with people like the one you showed in your video, and they'll still hound you for not doing enough. As far as I'm concerned, you've been consistent, understanding, and fair across the board. You are a real gem of a person, my friend. :)
Here is the issue... You just spent 8 minutes trying to justify yourself to a 12 year old who doesn't understand what biased actually means. Don't open the flood gates like this. Also there are 100 percent movies that are factually bad -The Last Airbender by Shamalamadingdong as well as Eragon to name a couple
“Um, actually, it was 8 minutes”
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Eragon is sick! Go to your room now child!!
I agree, I enjoyed Eragon, granted I was around 12y.o at the time and it was a movie about dragons and magic.
The fact people don’t realize or want to acknowledge is that the Snyder film era MOS thru Aquaman sold the most tickets. Forget budgets and box office they had more butts in seats. Period.
Besides aquaman and Wonder Woman the DCEU movies all underperformed compared to their budget
@@batmangummies5393 did you read my comment?
It was a different time. Nowadays it wouldn’t do the same numbers
@@AhamedMohammed507wow, what an argument...
@@AhamedMohammed507 "The absolute truth" of yours, maybe...
The point to bring it on here is?
It is an outstanding, extremely well researched piece.
Do you think the relationship between Snyder and Netflix will change now that Stuber is gone?
Good point because this seems to be warner all over again when Barry Meyer left right after MOS dropped and in came Kevin Tsujihara and you know the rest 😬
@@themadnucleus101 I also never understood why they did not release the Directors Cut at the same time as the PG-13 Cut.
To me watching Rebel Moon really feels like there is something missing.
@LordMandaloreTV they was hoping it would make bank even with a limited theatrical release but that wasn't the case if they want to do that release it worldwide at every major theater for everyone to see
Zach and James wan was the best thing DC ever had when he was there more people were looking at DC movies the movies were making almost 1bil and Aquaman made 1.3bil when Zach was there and bringing James gum was DC down fall with rebooting everything and getting rid of the movies Zach had planned out for us
The problem is fans wanted a redux of superman the movie and burton's or nolan's batman so they weren't open to new takes from the start which is sad because it makes them look close minded
i love DC Elseworlds Batman,finally they got actr and costume right,it is hard to play Batman Character if you don't fit for bruce Wayne too
Yup, they can point fingers elsewhere but never look in the mirror.
Ik this is off topic but are you still gonna do the rebuilding the DCEU series?
@@AhamedMohammed507 why?
Nothing to rebuild@@TheTransformersFanChannel
I think there is plenty of blame to go around lol.
I definitely dont hate Snyder, and have and do enjoy a lot of his work. I also, for the most part, enjoyed his darker more grounded take on the movies.
Just re-watched Man of Steel last week
I think one thing that Synder really excelled at was casting.
Cavil as Superman, Gadot as Wonder Woman, Momoa as Aquaman. Strokes of absolute genius!
Where I think Snyder is to blame, is in his not understanding and not respecting the Characters and IP.
Superman does *not* Kill, and wouldn't destroy a truck out of a passive aggressive pettiness.
Pa Kent would never advise Clark to let innocent people and kids die
Batman does *not* use guns, and also does *not* kill.
and Lex Luther is does *not* act like the Riddler.
Just to name a few issues.
BvS wasn't a bad movie overall, but the handling of Doomsday was atrocious, I dont think Eisenberg is to blame for his Lex, he simply followed the script and directors take. And it was a god awful take. Pretty good Riddler, awful Lex.
I think the fans were reacting strongly to some pretty significant mischaracterizations, and there is almost a little of each character, Superman, Batman, Lex, Doomsday, etc.
This showed in the audience scores.
The studio, already pushing to speed things up, and trying to copy and instantly be like Marvel, strongly over reacted.
Lastly, most will point out that the directors cut of BvS is superior to the theatrical, and the Snyder cut is definitely better than the theatrical of the Justice League.
But, at some level, if you can't tell a good story within the timeframe allotted for theatrical release, then there is definitely a big part of the blame on your creative ability as a director.
Things would have probably been better if the studio just let him finish his vision for sure. But even then, I dont think it would have been to the heights of Marvel, as there were some pretty big issues already showing in the first two movies, both with his lack of respect and understanding of the IP and ability to create a vision that can successfully be told in the theater.
You don't know what you're talking about. You're repeating nonsense you read on message boards and online sites rather than actual knowledge of the comics. Superman HAS killed in the comic books. In fact, he did it worse in the comic books than he did it in Man of Steel. In the comic books, he killed Zod, Faora, and a 3rd Kryptonian using gold Kryptonite. That meant that they all died a slow and painful death while they were screaming and begging Superman for mercy, while Superman just stood and watched.
"wouldn't destroy a truck out of a passive aggressive pettiness."
More ignorance. That entire scene was a homage to literally Superman's very first appearance: Action Comics #1. In his debut, Lois Lane is harassed by some men somewhere, and Clark notices. Then he turns into Superman and to teach them a lesson, he DESTROYS their car. Remember the cover of Action Comics #1 where Superman has a car above his head while onlookers are running away in fear? That's what that is about. It is unbelievable that you are repeating lies that have been thoroughly debunked years ago, which shows you don't know anything about the source material.
"Pa Kent would never advise Clark to let innocent people and kids die"
That's not what he said, and you are taking his words out of context.
"Batman does not use guns, and also does not kill"
YES, BATMAN HAS KILLED! Wow. Your ignorance is over the top. Batman not only has killed several times in the comic books before, he has killed in ALL (I repeat), ALL THREE of the Christopher Nolan Batman movies. It's amazing how you actually watched those movies, but it never occurred to you that whitewashed Ra's Al Ghul, Two Face and whitewashed Talia Al Ghul all died by Batman's hands.
"and Lex Luther is does not act like the Riddler"
This is the only thing I will agree with you on. Lex Luther's casting and treatment were not good.
"Just to name a few issues."
Your "issues" are nonsense, and it shows you know nothing of the source material. Like many, all you know is Donner Superman which is not the real Superman. Donner Superman is a fairytale Superman where he seemingly can do anything he wants, and when things don't go his way, he can just fly up to space, fly the opposite way the Earth is spinning, and reverse time so that he can try again. That's not the comic book Superman. That, by the way, was the stupidest ending of any movie ever, but for the people who liked it, that's what they thought Superman was. But that's not Superman in the comic books. In the comic books, there are real stakes and danger, and when things go bad for Superman, there is no flying to outer space to reverse time and try again. And that's how the Snyder Superman movies were.
"I think the fans were reacting strongly to some pretty significant mischaracterizations"
No actual fans of the source material had the talking points you have. Your talking points are the same as those that never read the comic books but think you can take a shortcut to knowledge of the source material with Donner Superman and whatever nonsense hipsters spew online.
"This showed in the audience scores"
The audience scores were mostly reflective of the butchered-up version of BvS released in theaters. The Snyder Cut of BvS (called "The Ultimate Cut") was not only far superior to the theatrical cut, but had that version been released, then possibly the DCEU would still exist and Snyder would still be at the helm since the reception of that movie was what was used to justify the butchering that was done to the DCEU from then on. That, and the "audience scores," are also coming from people who think Donner Superman is Superman. He's not. He's fairytale Superman.
"But, at some level, if you can't tell a good story within the timeframe allotted for theatrical release, then there is definitely a big part of the blame on your creative ability as a director."
Utter nonsense. So it doesn't make a difference if I take any movie and cut out 30-40 minutes out of it? All movies will still be the same even if you butcher them by 30-40 minutes? You clearly know nothing about films. This is the reasoning of a 5-year-old.
"But even then, I dont think it would have been to the heights of Marvel"
Why am I not surprised you wrote this? Of course, you think the MCU is great. Congratulations, kid! You just confirmed that you know NOTHING about the comic books. NOTHING at all. The MCU is an INSULT to the original source material. It goes AGAINST the original Marvel comic books by turning everything into a jokefest. Tony Stark in the comic books is not some snark machine that can't stop throwing one-liners every other minute. Star Lord in the comic books is not some bumbling klutz who does cornball dances to defeat villains. The story of Thor Ragnarok in the original comic books is perhaps the darkest storyline in all of Thor's Marvel mythology, yet the movie version is like a big-budget modern version of Joel Schumacher's Batman and Robin. And it goes on and on.
" both with his lack of respect and understanding of the IP"
The incredibly irony of you writing this is one for the books. It is The MCU that lacks respect for and understanding of their own IP. Many of the directors, writers and actors have openly shown contempt for the original Marvel comic books. Don't believe me? Here is what James Gunn and Taika Waititi both said about superhero comic books:
James Gunn on Superhero movies: _"They're the dumbest things that ever existed."_
Taika Waititi, while promoting Thor Ragnarok, said this about the original Marvel Thor comics: _"Here’s the thing about me guys, I did not really do my research. I read one issue of Thor as my research. Not even a graphic novel, one of the thin, thin ones. And by the end of it I was like, well we’re not doing that, let’s not really look at those anymore."_
Do those words sound to you like "respect and understanding of the IP"? As I said before, you have no idea what you are talking about. Why do people like you, who have no knowledge of the source material, spend so much time repeating nonsense on a subject that you were never interested enough in to begin with? With that ignorance, you end up defending the villains of the genre (the MCU) and attacking the people who actually respect the tone of the source material by making movies that treat the characters seriously (Zack Snyder).
The MCU has done the biggest damage to the superhero genre and fantasy and action movies in general by making it seem that superheros stories are just comedians in costumes. The original Marvel comic books were dramatic, took themselves seriously and had complex and layered storylines that the MCU movies have never and will never reflect because almost all the MCU movies are filled with so many jokes that they play like parodies. They are not respectful of the source material AT ALL.
Your ignorance has been highlighted. You have been put in your place. So if you don't want to admit that you are wrong on a massive, epic level, do the sensible thing and remove yourself from these conversations because the falsehoods you spread are only hurting media and storytelling.
Your video was a Completely unbiased commentary. These type of comments are just silly and yes people are entitled to their opinion on Snyder. He has his shortcomings but I am baffled with those who say he is incompetent. Oh well, that’s why they say we all have opinions and ….
You're doing fine!
I love your videos.
Absolutely not. I know you like Snyder and I do too. But nobody who's new to your channel will go "He's a Snyder fanboy" after watching that video. It was completely unbiased. What you did in that video was said what happened, Gave the box office numbers and the rotten tomatoes score. Nothing more, nothing less. It was completely neutral.
I just wish you gave Gunn I bit more credit cause Snyder is still mentioned in videos like what came before when it’s about the future it’s on one side it’s set to in Snyder fans only when it should be universal
Gunn goes against the original tone of the comic books by turning the comic book world into one big joke-a-thon. Gunn has flat out stated he thinks that comic books are stupid. People that lik him and the MCU have never read the comic books so they take the never-ending comedy show that is the MCU as if it's true to the source when it's not. On the flip side, Zack Snyder's all about that original comic book tone, taking it seriously and staying true to its roots.
@@DaRunningMan saying gunn goes against the tone is stupid when snyder made superman grim and dark sure gunn has comedy but his characters are more fleshed out people and can have a connection for people to care about them rather than mythologies and chiselled gods with no battle damage for 4 hours
@@Moviemakers05 Snyder didn't make Superman "grim and dark." It's just that in his movie, the story is taken seriously. So Superman is facing real challenges with actual risk and stakes. It isn't like the Donner Superman movie that made Superman into a fairy tale which isn't the vibe at all in the comic books.
@@DaRunningMan he faced real challenges in he original and it didn't need a darker tone and be realistic It's superman not the tree of life
@@Moviemakers05 He didn't real face challenges in the Donner Superman movie because he had it that if things really didn't go the way Superman wanted them to he could just fly up and go really fast in the opposite way the world was spinning to reverse time (?). That by the way, was the stupidest ending of any movie ever but the people that liked it, that's what they thought Superman was. But that's not Superman in the comic books. In the comic books, there are real stakes and danger and when things go bad for Superman, there is no flying to outer space to reverse time and try again. And that's how the Snyder Superman movies were.
You’re far from biased, I get annoyed when you lean against SnyderVerse at times. You don’t take sides which is why I still sub to your channel, kinda helps keep a balance. Maybe you should do a biased video to prove the point of how you aren’t biased. Would shut them up
The folks who point fingers at Zack Snyder are most likely die-hard MCU fans or hipsters who haven't delved into the original comic books and thus insist that all superhero movies should be nonstop jokefests. It is a fact that the MCU movies are, inaccurate to the tone of the original comic books because they are filled with so many jokes the movies are practically parodies. Despite never having read the original comic books, MCU fanatics and hipsters assert that Zack Snyder, who reveres the serious tone of the source material, is unsuitable for directing superhero movies. Interestingly, the very directors whom these MCU fanatics and hipsters champion as among the best for directing superhero films are James Gunn and Taika Waititi.And what do both those two men have to say on the subject?
James Gunn on Superhero movies: _"They're the dumbest things that ever existed."_
Taika Waititi, while promoting Thor Ragnarok, said this about the original Marvel Thor comics: _"Here’s the thing about me guys, I did not really do my research. I read one issue of Thor as my research. Not even a graphic novel, one of the thin, thin ones. And by the end of it I was like, well we’re not doing that, let’s not really look at those anymore."_
I have never in my life seen a genre so totally disrespected. I have never in my life seen a genre that so many claim to be fans of but don't actually know the source material. And I've never seen a genre where filmmakers like Zack Snyder, who genuinely strive to stay true to the tone of the original comic books, face vicious criticism, while cynical hipsters like James Gunn, Taika Waititi and all the other hacks in the MCU who openly show contempt for the source material, are celebrated as the genre's finest. This is nothing but a total Bizarro World.
If superhero comic books are not allowed to be adapted accurately to the big screen, which means taking it seriously, then it's probably best for this movie genre to just die and go away already. Although the problem won't go away because hipsters are the heart of the issue. They need to be directly challenged and removed from influence in movie making. Hipsters are an awful cancer in Pop culture, causing harm to numerous movies, and not just superhero ones.
*Best comment Award* thank you. Your comment is a reality check of the current zeitgeist in the genre. 👍🏽
The rubbish first live-action Scooby-Doo film, with screenplay by Gunn, is one MASSIVE red flag on how he treats the source material comic books/cartoons for a film adaptation.
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
@@paatagigolashvili9551 Depth is clearly beyond your comprehension and because of people like you we've lost out on a good storyline. And for diversity you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the blackest black and the whitest white
Ikr? Hipsters got the internet and let it go to their head. In real life they're not gonna be there to back it up.
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Thank…you…very………..much
DC rebooting rn after teasing darkseid is like the MCU teasing thanos then doing a complete 360 by rebooting. Snyder's DC would have flourished if WB just stayed of the studio
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
@@paatagigolashvili9551 only a small minority thinks that. Most people were interested in the Snyderverse and his box office run at DC proves that. Everything went to shit the moment Snyder and everyone else who actually knew what the fxxk they were doing left the studio. WB problem is that instead of embracing their own universe being different from the competition, they instead tried to copy from the competition and failing miserably at it
Thank you my friend.
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The poster of that comment clearly has a hate-b*ner for Snyder lol
BvS: The Ultimate Edition is a great movie in my opinion.
yep
There’s an ultimate edition?
So… I watched the sh1t version of bvs? Good to know
@@This-is-a-commentt theatrical release is the sh*t version. Ultimate Edition has 30 extra minutes of footage. It's on Max and bluray.
YEP !
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Yes you were biased in your video…
but there is no one that wouldn’t be biased in making any video.
I wasn’t.
@@OurMovieNews I'm a fan of your channel and I have been watching for a while. I loved your documentary.
You were as unbiased as possible when making your documentary. Everyone and everything is biased in some ways and there is nothing wrong with that. Sorry about the confusion.
Why haven’t you covered the leaked Superman logo and the full Legacy cast photo in your road to Superman: Legacy? It revealed that Otis will be in the film. Also, shooting will officially start next week!
I’m currently ill but I will have that video up as soon as I can!
@@OurMovieNews No worries! I totally understand! Also, I don’t know if you did this already, but you should review My Adventures with Superman. It’s a great companion to Legacy, and David Corenswet and Jack Quaid are friends IRL.
that pickyricky guy with a spidey avatar, is just picky that's why he called your documentary biased, he probably didn't realize that he himself is also biased.
how does the box office back up Snyder? All 3 of his movies underperformed. Man of Steel did not make as much as WB wanted, BvS should've easily been a $1 billion movie for being the first time Batman and Superman met on the big screen, and Justice League was a bomb. BvS had a huge opening weekend because of the characters, not Snyder. Once people saw the movie, the second weekend had a huge dropoff.
Oh it's only when a director you don't like doesn't back it up but when it's some you like it backs it up. Double standards you guys have and trying to find non existent problems
Well you cannot really blame people, you have shown yourself to be a huge Snyder fan, plus certain criticisms you ignored, which is your right to do but you shouldnt be surprised people think you are biased. You are that is a fact but so is everyone else. You are a fan of his film so you will always paint them in a positive light.
Isn't it ironic that the DCEU/Snyderverse is as controversial as if we were talking politics? How RIDICULOUS is that?!!
You either like the DCEU, or you don't. So what?!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately, some folks go too far and attack you for having a differing opinion.
I'd expect that talking politics. That doesn't mean that it's a justified behavior when talking politics. It just seems like every little thing nowadays has to divide folks.
Divide by political tribe. Divide by race. Divide by Marvel or DC. Even divide within DC for DCU or DCEU.
Am I the only one seeing this, or has the world just gone mad 😠 for mad sake? You like Snyder? Cool. You like Gunn? Fine. Maybe you like both or neither. But we don't have to be divided as DC fans.
I think it's okay to have a discussion and challenge viewpoints but never demean another simply because they see things differently.
Politics can sometimes dip its ugliness into our comics, but comics is our passion for all of us here. We shouldn't be at each other's throats about it. -OG
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
@paatagigolashvili9551 I disagree on every point. Batfleck's Batman was based on the Dark Knight comics. Zack's Watchmen film was nearly the same as the comic book itself.
Zack had an amazing cast for these iconic characters. Of course, you can disagree, but there is a large mass of fans who love Cavill as Superman. No matter how you interpret him.
I don't interpret Cavill Superman as dark. He is the ultimate example of a guy just trying to do the right thing. He didn't have the reassurance of the Reeve Superman learning about his heritage for years before coming to Metropolis.
I love the dynamic of today's politics trying to interpret a being with godlike powers for good or ill. Every past interpretation of Superman, society just automatically embraces him. How realistic is that?
If "dark" means being real, then I'll take that. Momoa was also the perfect cast for Aquaman. Aquaman is someone who folks could very easily make fun of. But Momoa's take made him a bad A.
Wonder Woman was also perfectly cast by Zack. The only cast issues I have are the Flash and Lex Luthor, Jr. Zack isn't perfect. Not everything about the DCEU is all that. But most of everything else are things I rather enjoy. A lot. -OG
I agree but the real world obviously isn't like that. Just keep being yourself.
The first 6 films of the DCEU made $4.9 billion.
The first 6 films of the MCU made $3.8 billion.
No one thought the early MCU was a failure.
People pay attention Rotten Tomatoes critics scores. WHY? Who cares what the critics think? What do real people think is what matters.
When those first 6 DCEU films came out they went up against MCU Phase 2 + 3 and lost to them.. The DCEU also lost to SW, Disney, Fast & Furious, Minions, Jurassic Park. The DCEU NEVER had the #1 movie in the world or even TOP 5!
What happened was movie audiences were curious about the DCEU and then chose the MCU. The DCEU'S revenue steadily fell off and the MCU soared. The remaining DCEU films earned 3B in total! The MCU over 30B! I mean 10 of the MCU films grossed over a billion alone (and two almost 3B)
@@ReggieBishop And that happened after WB changed course away from what they were doing and made Birds Of Prey, WW 84, and The Suicide Squad. And even that 4.9 billion came with the film Snyder made chopped up into Josstice League, BvS chopped up, and even Ayers Suicide Squad was chopped up. Had WB not interfered with those films and stayed the course.and not gone to Birds of Prey, they would have been a lot better off. Those first 6 films weren't the failure. WB panicked and changed course with Birds Of Prey and such. THAT was the failure.
Would the DCEU have equaled the MCU? maybe not. But the DCEU would have been FAR better off and more popular.
Even people who don't like Snyder admit ZSJL was far far better than Josstice League. Same for BvS Ultimate Edition. And look at the box office record. When Black Adam came out, it made the most money of any DCEU film since Aquaman. They were changing course back to where they had left off. Cavill was back. It wasn't Wonder Woman money but it was a lot more than Shazam, BOP, WW84, or TSS had made. There was more interest than there had been in years. Then they threw that away.
The whole problem for the DCEU was the studio execs. If the old WB hadn't panicked, they would have been fine. Then, after starting to get things back on track, had Zaslav not panicked and gone with the reboot, they would have been fine.
Especially now that the MCU has gone down the toilet. If Zaslav had gone with Man Of Steel 2 and the things they were planning instead if what they did now while the MCU is down, they would be in a far better position. Idiots.
@@davemiller6055 The DCEU was NEVER as good as the MCU. The DCEU literally has grossed the same as the Fast & Furious franchise. How sad is that? WW was beat out by Despicable Me and 8 other films that year. BvS was beat out by a slew of other films in 2015. MoS and SS too. You're not getting it. Finding Dory, Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Jurassic Park, Sony Spider-Man and Bond films -- ALL topped ZACK SNYDER! And WB's other film titles didn't fair any better.
Audiences don't like the DCEU. sNyDeR deserves no credit for bowing out in 2017 because he hasn't released a high grossing film since 2016. The "Marvel" tone as you say of the DCEU had nothing to do with it. Movie audiences spent their dollars elsewhere. The ONLY #1 film WB has had in 12 years was Barbie. That's the problem. And ironically Aquaman 2 is the highest grossing film of the recent DCEU flops so that lighthearted tone works. CBMS aren't WBD'S problem -- it's their brand and content in general
Who cares what critics have to say? Everyone about everything.
Great video! although I would say it was unnecessary there’s no need to respond to people with a mindset like that actually are biased unlike your video
BvS its a bad box office why? how batman alone reach over one billion but with superman ears less?, BvS SHOLD REACH AVENGERS BO or even more!
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@@smartchai DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
Never give up for SnyderVerse DCEU.
womp womp it’s dead
DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
Ignore those idiots, continue your good work.
Thank you for your documentary
Aquaman 1.1 Billion is very misleading...
Snyder films were from divisive to bad in the general audience eyes as it was Suicide Squad 2016.
Since BVS the opening box office was getting lower and lower. The Wonder Woman film had great legs and thats why it made 800M but the opening was around 100M thats 70M less than BVS and 40M less than SS 2016. Aquaman is a special case. It opened with 67M and then it made 50 on the 2nd weekend and had huge legs to but the opening shows how the general audicence was decreasing in the "hype" but still people went and watch JL 2017 on par with Man of Steel box office so there was more than one problem with DC and NOT just Snyder.
thats why the highprofile DCEU films openings after JL 2017 were between 40M to 70M opening (Aquaman, Shazam, Black Adam, The Flash).
Thats the number DC needs to rise to the Snyder numbers before JL 2017.
"Snyder films were from divisive to bad in the general audience eyes as it was Suicide Squad 2016."
The BvS version we got in theaters was a real hack job. Surprisingly, even with all the hacking, it pulled in nearly $900 million. Now, the Ultimate Edition (aka Snyder's Director's Cut) was a whole different story. If WB had released that in theaters, this movie could've easily crossed the billion mark, maybe even more. And that's backed up by the fact that its home video sales landed it on the all-time best-selling Blu-ray list in the U.S.
All the DCEU movies, before Josstice League, made more money than the first phase of the MCU. And these were the compromised versions. Imagine if WB didn't let Geoff Johns get his dirty hands in the mix to try to turn it into a jokefest like the MCU was and released the versions of the movies that Snyder, Ayer and Jenkins wanted, (Geoff Johns forced Jenkins to change the ending of Wonder Woman after failing to get the No Man's Land sequence cut out), then the DCEU would've been soaring above and beyond the MCU. But, because of the hipster cancer that exists, which demands all superhero movies and action and fantasy-based movies be comedies with rabid irony all over the places, we could've had a truly awesome superhero franchise that treats the stories and characters with respect and does not make them into parodies.
After the first Aquaman movie came out and made a billion at the box office, the next wave of movies were DCEU movies that had no involvement from Snyder came out and all of those did terrible at the box office. Then, when Black Adam came out, the trailer made it seem it would return to the Snyder style, which is to take the movies more seriously like the original comic books do and not like the MCU nonsense. Guess what? Black Adam did better than the previous non-Snyder-related movies, but then super hipster James Gunn announced that the whole DCEU was going to be thrown away, and down went the box office of the next DCEU movies which were not only not made with the involvement of Snyder, but they were nonstop joke fests.
Dear god, I'm so tired of these arguments. On one side, you have the over the top end of the Pro Snyder side (Please note, this is NOT the totality of Snyder fans. Most fans of anything, Snyder Movies included, just want to enjoy themselves) who will freak out at anyone who doesn't like the same movies they did. On the other side, you have the Hard Core Snyder Haters (Not people just don't enjoy his movies, most of them really don't care. These are the people who cant stand people who can't stand someone liking something they didn't)who freak out just as much because some people did like these movies. If you like something, that's great. Everyone should have something they enjoy, but don't freak out on someone if they don't like the same thing you did. If you don't like something, that's also fine. You are allowed to not like something, but that doesn't give someone the right to attack other people for liking that same thing.
Why is it so hard for people to just respect each other's opinion?
Well said
The Snyderverse/DCEU being a failure is because of Snyder & the studio. Snyder made it perfectly clear that he had no interest in spear heading The DCEU, but WB went with him anyway.
Snyder was definitely not a good bet to be the architect and I think they should’ve gotten screen writers like Paul Dini and Bruce Tim involved with the development of the DCEU and and focus on building the universe instead of rushing it and give fans a faithful portrayal of the superheroes they love. The DCEU gave us a rushed inconsistent mess with a deconstructed portrayal of the iconic DC heroes. Not a faithful character portrayal.
Evidently you don't know the characters then but are at the same time unable to cope with the concept of a different version of a character.
I honestly thought your documentary was fantastic in my opinion. ;)
Wow, thank you!
@@OurMovieNews your welcome 🤗
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DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
Downfall of it was biased. WB has ruined dc movies since Reeves 3rd movie. I can see DC sour bums leaking info to Marvel. Ppl say Johns was one bc he wanted to direct but didnt. Snyder had storylines in 2017 JL that weren’t made but showed up in Infinity War & Endgame. Not to mention WB botching & delaying multiple movies. And MCU stans I can see not wanting competition so they review bombed the DCEU. And Rotten Tomatoes already had a flawed system where one rating can mean 2 things.
WB are just money hungry. They’ve listened to other companies so they can sell merch & not the fans.
Zack Snyder was NEVER in full control of the DCEU guys, stop it... the moment that Man of Steel came out there were a bunch of "sentimental" Superman fans posting a bunch of opinions about what superman should be and shouldn't be and many were flipping out over the outcome of the Superman versus General Zod duel.
In fact, it was the big wigs that saw how the Avengers film did so well and successfully executed the whole "super hero team" and there was some weird film studio led direction... I mean what could Zack Snyder have done right after MoS, said no to the studios and insisted on spacing out the films into MoS, MoS 2, Batfleck v Superhenry, Batfleck stand alone flick then Justice League?
Sheesh even Richard Donner didn't have full directorial control over his plan to make two films.
Zack DCEU was not perfect in some ways and its not like it was written by Zack alone...but it was perfect for DCEU tone and stakes... until WB decides to butchered it and put those forcefull toilet humour.
Honestly the DCEU in general was just poorly executed with poor direction and constant studio interference. I think Zack Snyder was the worst person to be in charge of the DCEU he just doesn't understand the source material. I think the DCAU should've been the blueprint for the DCEU instead of Injustice but that's just me. Personally I don't think DC needs a cinematic universe I think they need to focus on solo films like The Batman and Joker. DC works best with standalone films they need to stick to it they don't need to copy Marvel.
Nope. Zack Snyder does understand the source material. He takes it seriously which is how the original tone of the comic books are. The MCU movies are garbage. They go against the serious tone of the original Marvel comic books, turning epic tales into comedy hours, which strays from the Marvel comics' original, more serious tone. Because of the MCU, Geoff Johns felt the need to step in and push the DCEU towards mimicking the MCU's style. Even with all the meddling (like the theatrical versions of BvS & Suicide Squad getting chopped up, or the changes to the ending of the first Wonder Woman movie after Geoff Johns failed in getting the No Man's Land sequence cut), the early DECU films (minus Josstice League), with Snyder at the helm, still outperformed the MCU's first phase in terms of box office. Had Geoff Johns had just let Snyder do his thing, we could've had a superhero franchise that truly honored the serious tone of its comic book roots unlike the MCU big budget parodies.
@@DaRunningMan DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.every character is different,superman being heartless god in movies,while being caring symbol of hope in comics is all you need to know
@@paatagigolashvili9551 You have no idea what you are saying.
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DCEU characters lacke depth and diversity,reason why people watched these films was because superheroes were to hyped at one point,WB wanting another MCU,and Zack Snyder making every character dark gritty and having no interest in source material.
@StaticShock507 gunn will get himself fired, once superman flops, let's be real here, cw show quality b list actors 👌= flop, everything James gunn touches at dc flops. Tss flop, peacemaker 🗑, and announced a reboot before 4 films came out. Yeah he will get himself fired, Mark my words.
@paatagigolashvili9551 lack of diversity 🤣🤣🤣 tells me everything I need to know about you and you know nothing about dc or the dceu,
i know everything,it was terrible lcked quality because all charaters were dark and gritty,copied and pasted@@michaelmastrullo8180
Snyder haters are quite hypocrite, having a discussion with them is a waste of time
Dude, just like Aaron had it, try not to dwelve into the haters. There are people who loves your content and they are people who dont because it doesnt fit their narrative. They are just itching to blame and criticism.
I agree. They don't need to explain themselves.
These are the people responsible for the downfall of the DCEU:
Kevin Tsujihara, Walter Hamada, Toby Emerich, Ann Sarnoff, Geoff Johns, David Zaslav, Peter Safran, and James Gunn.
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The first 6 films of the DCEU made $4.9 billion.
The first 6 films of the MCU made $3.8 billion.
No one thought the early MCU was a failure.
But not Zack 😂 No Patty Not Cringe Ezra. 😂🤣🤣🤣
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WBD dont deserve DC. It's time to sell. #NotAPenny #DOA 🚮 #BoycottWBD