Isaac Newton: Laws of motion from the law of God | Stephen Meyer on the Scientific Revolution
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You have no idea how much of a blessing you have been to my small Christian community in Ghana. I pray for grace for you to continue.🙏
If you found Dr Tour inspiring, you would appreciate Mauro Biglino, ex Vatican translator, who has short videos here on YT with an ex Australian minister. They discuss the Old Testament ...... fascinating and thought provoking stuff. Enjoy.
LOL blessings to Ghana??? Christian/Catholic colonialists come to your country in the middle of the biggest HIV crisis ever, and tell you using condoms is a sin. Blessings? They have blood on their hands!
I just saw a documentary about the beach in Ghana teeming with discarded clothing from all over the world…Literally a mountain of fabric.
@@65gtotrips Is the video and conversation has anything to do with your comment?
The Holy Church was not an institution, some country club for the socially elite that some aspects of The Church had disintegrated into. And in our ignorance of this truth we were going to painfully rediscover the scorched-earth theology that flourished under Emperor Nero. And sure enough, if you translate the Hebrew spelling of 666, you actually spell out Neron Kesar - the Hebrew spelling of Nero Caesar.
In his book Apocalypses: Prophecies, Cults, and Millennial Beliefs through the Ages (2000), historian Eugene Webber chronicled apocalyptic visions and prophecies from Zarathustra up to the modern day. And it was very interesting to note how the literature had influenced society over the millennia.
More specifically, it was fascinating how certain psychological patterns had repeated themselves. During times of social change the literature would become more pronounced, either reinforcing or denouncing the change. He stressed how the End of an Age may not necessarily indicate the End of the World. More importantly, Webber noted how some of exceptional intelligence worked alongside others in their devotion to the prophetic discipline.
In his posthumously-published Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John (1733), Isaac Newton expressed his belief that Bible prophecy would not be understood "until the time of the end", and that even then "none of the wicked shall understand".
Yes, this is the same Isaac Newton who published Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy (1687). And maybe he has a point. This doesn’t mean his theology was perfect. Many Christians would consider him a heretic in his general rejection of the divinity of Christ. But it does indicate an interest where one wouldn’t expect to find one. And it also indicates that one shouldn’t just assume that because someone studies the topic means they are uneducated. It’s always been the kindness of the simple-minded that has changed the world for the better.
Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small
everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. -- J.R.R. Tolkien
I never get tired of watching Dr Tour and Stephen Meyer, very inspirational
Me neither. Whenever I need a good laugh from two of the dumbest most-punchable looking faces on RUclips, they never fail to deliver!
Who are worth RESPECTING, HONORING, and LOVING. Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Yes, my Heirs Hosts sitteth upon judgment and justice with the "AM"! The "I AM" will say shared "i" AM come forth! Now sincere conversations can take place! From the SINGULARITY! SINGULARITY come here! Who ye will say? The I Am ye are! Through thee, by thee, and for thee! All made that are made including all Feet resting upon Thy FOOTSTOOL! FOWL OF THE AIR come here! Who ye will say? And the Air nor heaven above! Ye sitting upon the Clouds resting upon the NEW Permanent Foundation no one can uproot nor shaken but here to stay for good. Well said! Pop what is up and down? Balance come here! Who ye will say? Sitteth upon afar EAST and the West! Indeed. Now balance go find thy rightful place upon all my FEET resting upon my Footstool! Yes, will recognize Who? Yes, even Ai nor...can't move forward without my BALANCE!
Ascending and descending needs balance!
You ignore the fact, not all of us can pretend prophesy & God exist. That is why Jesus Christ says, "Think not I come with peace, but sword".
It is amusing to hear the profound arrogance of someone knowing of God, as if He were known outside of fiction. The believer & the literate are separated by the vocabulary of fiction: Blasphemy, God, faith, prayer, prophet, scripture etc. Matthew 17:20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” I like asking believers how they can possibly think their faith is respectable, given Jesus said faith is worthless, since you can't expect obedience when ordering mountains to move? Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy".
"Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall". What is The Catholic faith? Organized crime, indoctrinating children with a fantasyland vocabulary? When men are free of religious notions they write, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy." "My sheep hear My voice" is the mindset of slavery. Once free of it, there are no suggestions we all travel better by having one foot in a stranger's fantasyland or Garden of Eden. A mind free of religious text is not tortured by pretending Divinity made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel, having pasted their books on to them both. Those looking for the sign of a resurrection, are a vile, "Wicked Generation" seeking signs, led by "wolves in sheep's clothing". "The only sign is that of Jonah"; a believer murdered by other believers. Chained to the slavery of faith, they write: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13
One must be insanely arrogant to suggest knowing something of a God. It is by boldness, Moses became the world's worst navigator, by having one foot in some fantasyland. There is a fine line between fishing & standing on the shore, looking like an idiot. Fail to get the Jews to buy it for 2000 years & they should know who their Messiah is. Jesus is a fake, to immortalize the war against the Jews. Jesus Christ is crucified for all time in literature & the subjects of Rome are illiterate. Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy" & the joke is in the scriptures. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13
An improvement on your God & faith; would outlaw indoctrination & abuse of the vocabulary of fiction on children.
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@@StupidityindexLol.... So you cut and paste this diatribe underneath every other comment.... not sure what you are trying to say.... Not sure if you understand it either. Would love to hear original thoughts if you have some.
A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge
Thank you for sharing the scripture :-)
@@Holstson Thank you and thank God.
Two of my favorite speakers. Thank you for all you do to promote real science!
Newton... a brilliant man who made incalculable contributions to the progress of mankind.
His best writings were on religion, he cracked the code on the Book of Revelation- his book is “The Prophecies of Daniel & the Apocalypse” (because the book is written in code & marries up with Daniel).
He wrote more about Alchemy!
@@Infowarrior08
Religion/Theology actually
@@masada2828Newton was an Arian
@@therealkingbaldwin prove it
I was 10 years old in 1996 and sitting with my family at the seatac airport in Washington waiting for a flight to Disneyland and I asked my dad if I could pick out a book in the store by our flight's gate and he said sure, but hurry up and pick one. I grabbed the first book completely based off the front cover and it was Darwin's Black Box by Michael Behe. My dad bought it and actually read it first and gave it back to me and said I won't have any idea what it's about and told me to hold onto it and read it later. 20 years later in 2016 grabbed it out of my dusty closet and I read the book. Not until 2022 did I even discover that James and Stephen on RUclips let alone their association for lack of a better term with Michael Behe. Still blows my mind.
And how, exactly, did Tour and Meyer, let alone that old fraud Behe, manage to overthrow all of science?
Michael Behe has been debunked 12 ways from Sunday. He got DESTROYED in Kitsmiller vs. Dover. He's a liar and a fraud. Irreducible Complexity has been thoroughly falsified as a valid theory, quite easily I may ad.
And their association in the christian propaganda cesspool called Discovery Institute did not make you blush? How creepy!
The ID crowd is a small band of special r3t@rds
Me too! I read that books and it confirmed my faith in a Creator. Then someone pointed out he was "debunked". That is the refute of the blind.
Yes in the name of Jesus Christ ! 45 years ago early in faith I was in a 1960 VW bug with my friend who had tons of faith and we broke down in a very very bad place in South Central Los Angeles for us , like going into a meat grinder ! We tried and tried to push start the car and nothing ! I would go back and check the spark and look at the fuel lines but still nothing ! Finally in a last desperate attempt my friend says as I pull out the clutch for the umteenth time ; “ in the name of Jesus Christ I command you to start” and wow if it didn’t start right then and we drove out of a very rough gang neighborhood back to the sticks ! The kind of memory that really stays with you ! The name indeed!!!
.....like..really??? This is all it takes to convince you a GOD that sees kids die by the millions gave a damn about your freaking VW bug starting???
How about this: The VW bug's carburetor was flooded (a ubiquitous problem with those) and when your idiot friend finally stopped trying to start it and stopped to pray, the fuel siphoned out of it so the normal starting process would work. Isn't that obviously the FAR more likely explanation?
And yet during the entire time you were trying to start the car, not one vagrant attempted to cause you harm. THIS was your big story of faith? Jesus validating your xenophobia?
Things like this do happen............ Something similar happened to my little sister.
@@violinhunter2 What's more likely:
1. While millions of babies were dying and such, god took a time-out to personally answer a prayer so a 1960 VW bug could start?
Or:
2. The carburetor was flooded and when this moron finally stopped trying to start it and began to pray, that gave it the time it needed to get un-flooded so it could start?
If you don't say #2 and instead invoke miracles, you were dropped on your head.
@@violinhunter2 The carburetor was flooded! Like omg you people LOL. It was NOT a miracle. 🤣🤣🤡
I have a 8 year old who is fascinated by astronomy and all things science and as a mother I want him to know how can the Christian faith sustains the scientific advances so this discussion is a blessing from God so I can inform myself better so I can teach and guide him ❤️🙏 God bless you brethren
Just be sure to point out that in astronomy, one needs objective evidence in the form of real observations for hypotheses; in religion, one doesn't. I hope your son does well in science.
I believe that Tom Hollands work may be a worth while contribution to your goal.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666,
What religion?
@@utopiabuster Yours.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666,
Which one is that, mind reader.
My beliefs are based on facts, observations, experience, and reason.
What are your beliefs based on?
Can you define "objective evidence"?
What's "real observations"?
Hypothesis - supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Philosophy(hypothesis) - proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
Thanks for playing.
The naturalists complain that God is "off limits" because they can't "put Him in a test-tube". That is of course true... He would not be God if we could put Him in a test-tube.
As the Creator, He is transcendent and outside of His creation. So ANY analogy that we try to use to understand Him uses created objects and concepts. Thus they are all doomed to fail beyond the most simplistic and basic levels. Still, I can experience His grace and redemption, I can love Him and be loved, and the most intense hours of worship in my life have come when I stumbled across instances of His infinite wisdom deep within the molecular biology of my cells. It is absolutely stunning...
Excellent comment.
Christians tell us that he can't be put in a test tube.
I could listen to dr Meyer lecture all day long
As good a cure for insomnia as any, I suppose.
It's preaching quite literally to the choir. He couldn't give a scientific lecture if his life depended on it.
@@Reclaimer77
He's smarter than you, so what does that make you? Shelf stocker?😂😂😂
indeed he is great
@@HS-zk5nn A great lump of nothing is more like it.
I’m a common garden Christian and have just delighted in listening to you two Scholars think out loud. What a treat as you bring out Sir Isaac Newton’s Biblical understanding of the trinity (I prefer triunity). Thank you for letting me eavesdrop. ❤
Thanking God for you brothers, following from Kenya 🙏🏾
2 of my heroes. This is so enjoyable and fascinating.
These two are your heroes? You choose not to aim higher?
indeed a great scientist and philosopher/historian
@@Bomtombadi1,
Any suggestions?
I love what Lennox says when people accuse him of ascribing to notion of "the God of the gaps". He says, "I believe God is the reason for the whole show! The things we do know as well as the things we don't know."
That's a very important distinction. Just because we do not know what energy is, what gravity is, and many other natural forces we interact with daily, to say God is behind it, is not a cop out. For He is also behind all the things we can explain mechanically in science. But its just that these particular mysteries leave us with nothing else to talk about except the wonder of creation and giving credit where credit is due. GOD. This is fascinating.
Trouble is, all these gods, including Lennox's, are pure make-believe. It's just god of the gaps arguing, and a waste of everyone's time. No theologian ever had any evidence for the god they believed in, all they ever had was faith. And no two could ever agree!
I am now 63 y.o, a young minister yet I felt so much that I didn't know.
These videos are very appropriate for seekers of truth but skeptical about explanations of Bible truth.
God truly is magnificent.
I will follow your video
This was so excellent!! Steven is a wealth of information , knowledge and wisdom! It's always a pleasure to hear him explain ! Having myself read the Principia (cover to cover), I can confirm what Steven mentioned. Thank you both for this!
Sorry, but Stephen Meyer is just another creationist, a young earth one at that. The science is solidly against him and Wee Jimmy.
He’s a moron
I agree with Dr Meyer's view of miracles - of God not violating any laws. The fact that Jesus walked on the water, not floating above it, illustrates the point perfectly well.
How? And what point?
Thank you both for your ministry ❤❤❤❤. May God bless you all❤❤❤❤
I just had to lift my hands in worship as I let these words wash over me in my Sabbath worship today. God caused this to be the centre and direction of my worship of Him. So peaceful, reassuring and devotional.
Wow, Dr Meyer is the smartest guy I know. Praise God for mighty men like these.
You just think that because he says stuff you like to hear.
I loved every minute of this interview! Thank you!!
“ But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking! …”Mark.10. LEB I really appreciate your discussions on Christology. He is the standard of our orthodoxy
This is a wonderful talk. Thank you so much. As a Catholic, I find more and more delight in science as it shows the Mind of an all knowing, almighty, everlasting Creator. This brings peace in a world that has gone mad.
Speaking as an ex-Catholic, I realised that religion and science are totally incompatible. Nothing was ever discovered using religion, and the technology you use to promote your religion was achieved through science, not religion.
"Wow, this was a fantastic video on Isaac Newton .I especially loved the new insight you presented . It really adds another layer to understanding Newton's life ,work and his faith in Christianity. Thanks for such a well-researched and engaging video!" Thanks Dr Tour & Stephen Meyer !🥰 . Prayers from India, Kerala !
The wisdom of God is manifest in the works of creation.
Thank you both🙏🏼🤍 you do amazing work. Thank you!!!
We need to hear this! Thank you, brothers 👍✝️🙏❤️
Thank you for sharing these conversations.
So much in this to love, but eye-opening to my thinking was Steven Myers commenting that scientist think they understand something as causal when it's merely descriptive of what we observe! That concept is so important for all of us to realize! We mathematically describe many observations of science but we do not understand the cause!
Science isn't merely descriptive, it's also prescriptive. By uncovering the laws of nature, we can predict events before they happen. We know that stepping off a cliff will result in a fall. Religion doesn't teach us anything as practical.
I'd add that not understanding the underlying cause of nature is not an excuse to invent one. Perhaps nature is its own cause. And if you think nature had to have an external cause, then I'd ask, what caused that cause? Currently, the correct answer is "we don't know." Pretending we do doesn't help.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 why don't you tell me where the matter and energy in the Big Bang came from? "perhaps" does not cut it in science. Endless foolish speculations. What we know from the law of entropy and other laws of physics is that the universe did not create itself because that violates the laws we know that are super well proven. so there is something supernatural outside of time and space, something without without cause because it's eternal and not subject to the laws we observe. The known laws of physics say it's impossible for the universe to create itself, to believe it did is to not be a rational logical scientist
@Sparrow-hawk-666 When people say "we don't know" what they often really mean is "let's not think about it."
@@chrisrogers3436 Lots of scientists investigating the origins of the universe, and life as well, are atheists. Others are various religious believers, just not fundies. Believe me, we're very interested in finding out true answers, rather than believing the contradictory tall tales found in every scripture. Poor response from you, obviously you didn't want to think about it much.
you guys are great. thanks for taking the time to do these pods
Such a joy and privilege to stand on your shoulders, think your deep thoughts and see the wonders you have seen. Thank you for your insights. I am a, now retired, high school graduate. Not burdened by trying to plumb such deep mysteries. To me God, time, space and material are simple. God sustains all things. The universe had a beginning, and one day will end. Just as a musician can create a musical note, the music continues as long as the artist chooses. The music is sustained by the artist. We are all part of the music of God.
Woooooow!!! Two amazing minds explaining God’s amazing work.
Fantastic discussion! Thank you!
Nature is in itself is miraculous. Huge, long-living redwoods coming from relatively small, dead seed.
Science itself was born out of believer’s desire to understand the works and Creation of God.
Well, we can't choose our parents. But science outgrew religion.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 ,
What religion?
This is just excellent teaching , so well presented with the profoundest implications. Thanks boys!
That said, Newton's theology is a bit arcane. He is famous for his humility re his science merely being God letting him throw a pebble or two ,and in standing on the shoulders of giants.
His originality, genius and achievements are as Godly as it gets. He sought Truth for us all,and for eternity. A flawed human alright, but those who'd accuse him of heresy are in far more mortal peril than he is.
Great pgm Dr Tour and Dr Meyer!
Hugh Ross has some interesting talks and articles on trinity as well!
Magnificent explanation and understanding. Great help to science and Faith in Jesus
Absolutely love our brother Dr. Tour!!!! God has and will continue to speak the truth!!!!May Jesus continue to bless and protect you and ALL those you touch!!! Amen!!! If people truly want to know the Truth, they cannot deny that ALL THINGS POINT TO JESUS and God!!!
This was uplifting. Thank you.
Cannot wait! Thank you , Guys!
Great discussion. Enjoyed it greatly and strengthened my faith.
Two good men. We need more like them.
A simple way to understand the trinity is to understand that we are created in God's image! We have personal will, personal intelligence, and a personal attitude. Each works separately or together to accomplish our goals.
That's a new way of looking at it for me, but I like it 👌
@Si_Mondo Yes, it seems these three areas can be studied independently to develop a better life! Our will alone is not enough! We need the information and the attitude to a complish the tasks!
I wonder how Christ's intercessory prayer affected Newton's views. 🤔
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."
@@jeff3olsen great question! I'm sure it kept him seeking to share greater truth with the world.
Difficult for humans to define GOD. God by definition is GOOD and BEYOND KNOWING.
And His Spirit and Light still live in His own Holy Bible - because there is only one God - the very Father who created us - whom we betrayed - but who loved us so much that He sent His Son to come among us - that we find Him back - ONLY through the path of Christ - precisely as is written in the Living Light.
Wow, very insightful and I'm only 17 minutes in to the discussion.
Here's what is striking me now.... in regards to what is being laid out as miracles/ God's intervention; the concept of faith keeps recurring to me. Could it be that faith itself has physical properties that apply in the realm of physics?
The Red Sea parted after Moses displayed faith by raising his staff, likewise the miracles before Pharaoh.
Peter, displayed the faith of Yeshua on the stormy sea, for a few moments...
Joshua and the Hebrews at Jericho....
And later at "the long day of Joshua".
Over and over and over, this is demonstrated.
Even in teachings.... "faith moves mountains" etc
Perhaps faith, while spiritual, also has mass, momentum, and other physical properties that God chooses to use to exert His will on His creation?
*_Perhaps faith, while spiritual, also has mass, momentum, and other physical properties..._* - Ummmm... how much does faith weigh? In grams or ounces?
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 maybe a sheckle or talent
@@Michael-im1vc Not legal currency here in the UK!
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 they're also measures of weight 😉
@@Michael-im1vc I learned something new today!
Science appears to be a method through which to recognise Elohim, not in opposition to Elohim. Thank you gents.Praise Elohim!
Pop and my Heir Host thank you for attending! Thank you for not forgetting the little LAD!
“My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts, “ says the Lord. “And My ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.”
~ Isaiah 55:8~
Can't wait. 🙌🙌
Thank you for sharing this good knowledge, thank you Dr. Tour, thank you Dr. Meyer. May the Lord God shine his face upon you two men of God in the name of our Lord Jesus Savior.
Thank you Dr. Tour for this very brilliant talk. I can remember being in grade school when I first was taught about Isaac Newton but not once talk about his background. Sad
You could have researched it yourself.
@kymdickman8910
That is true. It was way before the internet. I didn't have the idea of doing research. This happened in grade school. I do whis at that time to be more knowledgeable.
James Tour: Former Chemist current pastor??
At his age, he has to play to his remaining strengths!
“ That seems pretty clear” 😂. All After a long wandering uncomfortable convoluted attempt to answer the question did Isaac Newton hold Arianism views. The quote from Isaac Newton itself fits neatly within the Arian framework. Earlier a premise was thrown out that Arianism Doesn’t believe Christ is divine. That is a clumsy strawman if I’ve ever seen one. Under Arianism Christ is divine. Isaac Newton’s theological views shared similarities with those of Arius, particularly regarding the origin of Jesus. Newton believed that Jesus had a distinct origin from God the Father, suggesting a subordinate relationship between them. Like Arius, Newton’s perspective implied that there was a time when Jesus did not exist as a divine being, aligning with the notion of Jesus having an actual origin rather than being co-eternal with God. In the General Scholium (mentioned in this video), Isaac Newton explores the concept of godship as a relative concept, but emphasizing Almighty God’s absolute authority and power. In a footnote, Newton references Jesus quoting from Psalms, suggesting that Jesus identified himself as divine in a limited sense, akin to others who’ve been considered divine throughout history. This illustrates Newton’s nuanced understanding of divinity and his interpretation of Jesus’s role in relation to God the Father.
Isaac Newton believe that only God the Father, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah is the Almighty God. There’s only one religion that holds the same views of Isaac Newton regarding the True God and his Son.
I am sure there are unitarians beyond JWs, who are the most famous group to hold that view. I saw debates between Trinitarians and unitarians who were not JWs
Unitarians do not hold a proper view of Christ Jesus and the glorious role he has had for billions of years. I understanding is that they believe in a form of adoptionism And they don’t believe Christ had a prehuman existence. Newton believed Christ had a prehuman existence as the logos.
That's not really true though.
Arianism says Jesus is of different "substance" (oiusa).
Newton stays away from that word completely.
He's just not into the Arianism Trinitarian debate.
He's of a different category on his own.
2. Newton says Jesus is worthy of worship while Arianism denies Jesus being worshipped.
@@emmanuel8310 please let me know in which of his works that he says that Jesus should be worshiped. If he’s discussing The greek proskyneō (reverence, obeisance, etc.) That falls in line with what I understand that he believes along with Arianism and what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe.
Isaac Newton believed that God the Father, Jehovah, was the sole Pantokrator (Παντοκράτωρ), meaning the Creator of all things. He saw the Father as the ultimate force behind the universe’s design and order.
The fact that Isaac Newton doesn’t delve into the 4th century rebranded Ousia (essence) as you mentioned is clear indication that he didn’t hold it to be scriptural. For someone as prolific as himself writing so much about the Bible why would he avoid it. If he believed in shared essence, we would have a lot of writings from him on it.
@@DartNoobo Unitarians reject the Trinity as Isaac Newton and Arius did, but Unitarians believe in adoptionism where they do not believe Christ had a prehuman existence. Arius, Isaac Newton, and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Christ Jesus had a glorious prehuman existence. That’s why I mentioned above a proper view of both Almighty God the Father and his son.
I really love interviews with Stephen Meyer. I especially am interested in the religious mind of Newton, and so this was a really great discussion, and clarified many aspects of that subject. Thanks for this!
Well, religion had nothing to do with Newton's theories about motion and gravity. And that's what he's famous for, not his religion.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 Yes, I know that. Thank you. However, I find his writings on religion interesting, too. I like the esoteric stuff.
Wow, thank you both for this conversation. I am so grateful to be a Christian.
Ps. 8:3-9 When I consider… the work of thy fingers… what is man that thou are mindful of him?… our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all of the earth!
Sir Isaac was into alchemy - loser - he was into hermeticism
You have to elaborate. What did Newton specifically do that was heresy?
Liars
Well, creationists like Tour and Meyer have an aversion to reality. What can you do?
This has got to be the most satisfying conversation I have ever heard. I’ve always wanted to know pretty much everything that was discussed here, and the following questions were all the same questions I had. Then, as you went along, you answered they were answered the questions behind the questions as well!
I loved that!
Thank you Jesus for these men, thank you for giving us these answers, and thank you for opening my eyes to the truth so I can see them, because it’s crazy awesome!
Yeah, two ignoramuses discussing science they've never read or understood is satisfying. Sure.
One of the best interviews ever on the subject of the relationship between Christianity and science. Thank you so much your wonderful Christian apologetics 🙏🏻
Ah, the Dynamic Duo from Discovery! What nonsense will they preach at us today? I can't wait - well, actually I can, because I'm not going to stay awake for this one.
Isaac Newton was raised as an Anglican in the 18th century, graduated through a course at Trinity College, Cambridge, that should have forced him to become ordained, celibate, and recognise the 39 articles of the Church of England - a far cry from the evangelical Protestants of Tour and Meyer fame. He managed to avoid that with some help from sympathisers in the government of the day. It's good to be connected to influential politicians!
Eventually, he became at the very most, a deist, denying trinitarianism or any other theology of the Tour/Meyer sort. And no, despite the silly title of this podcast, Newton's laws of motion didn't come from his devout reading of a bible or religion he didn't entirely believe in, but from an observation of natural events.
At the very most, he considered natural laws were established by a "Deity", not by a Jesus. Apparently, he didn't even believe in an immortal soul - god, that must frustrate Tour and Meyer, except, of course, they'll skip right over that and pretend it never happened.
Finally, he did his work in the 18th century, before Darwin's insights of the 19th century, and physics today has advanced 300 years since Newton's insights into how natural laws work, an insight Tour and Meyer have yet to experience. One wonders what Newton's mind could have conceived had he known what we - Tour and Meyer aside - know today?
This comment didn't age well. Next time, stay awake. Maybe you'll learn something.
@@chrisrogers3436 Two ignoramuses discussing science that they don't read or understand is hardly edifying, son. I'd rather watch paint dry.
@@chrisrogers3436 The only thing I'll ever learn from Tour and Meyer is how not to do science. And I already know that.
As a science educator, i can only conclusde that our finite minds cannot fully know our God of infite wisdom...im in constant awe of Him...thank you for this conversation❤
So what's your evidence for your god?
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 huh?
While I appreciate that as a human being, you can't explain your god, why invent it in the first place? I mean, science is about explaining stuff we can understand and predict, and it's very successful, as you must know because you post here using the technology science has made possible. What has your religion made possible, that wasn't possible before your religion was invented?
All students who observing, studying,researcher’s, psi, just try to observe and understand everything in nature and think outside the box, feel it
Of course "One substance with the Father" is true, but is a mystery, which means it is something we don't solve and discard, but meditate on, in awe.
As one who taught physics for many years, both at university and high school, I'm gratified to learn I'm not the only one who felt unable to explain anything! I always tried to impress my students with the concept that physics describes the actions of things, but can't explain it. I also felt like a fraud when I graduated with my undergraduate degree because I felt I didn't understand anything. But, after having to teach it, then I learned it enough to be able to outline the mechanics as described by the equations in physics.
Speaking as a biologist who did research for several years, I can't say I've ever felt that. The light that evolutionary theory shed on biology was a remarkable explanatory tool, and when it was coupled to biochemistry and molecular genetics, the resulting structure was so scientifically formidable that it has stood solidly for 150-odd years. Still, I sympathise, as biology is a science that operates 99.9% at classical scales, where we rarely have to consider quantum events. I don't envy any physics teacher having to explain quantum to a high school or early college class.
Amazing discovery you two. Thanks for sharing your "light" on this subject and the beauty of your love for God our father. 🎉❤😊
Just when Christian Zionism and the concerning history around dispensationalism shakes and depresses my faith, along you both come and help to restore. God bless you.
Hear oh Israel, YHWH Elohinu YHWH Echad! Worship One God alone. Islam is the only religion that has pure monotheism and accepts Jesus as the Messiah that will come second time to kill anti Christ.
I absolutely love these two men and I love how they wed science and Christology for our current generation!
Rather like mixing voodoo with science!
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 How so?
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 I would also like to know, how so ?
@@natashamiller4860 Well, science is evidence-based, either experimental, or observational. If I make a scientific claim, then I have to provide details as to the circumstances and processes followed to make the observation, then anyone can test it for themselves. Scientific claims can be tested and repeated by other scientists. That's how scientific claims get confirmed or, more often, disproven.
Religion is based on mythology, which cannot be tested or observed independently. Mythology consists of fables written for a variety of purposes lost in the mists of time. They tell stories that cannot be verified in the present, and often feature magic (aka miracles in Christian-speak) and other super-human claims that are completely untestable today, and unverifiable from independent historical sources.
No-one even knows who wrote the gospels of Christianity, for example, or when they were written, and modern science has proven that a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis is simply false. So what could it possibly mean? No-one knows, so theologians just make stuff up that sounds vaguely plausible.
You as Christians don't believe the magical claims of other religions. I don't believe in the magical claims of Christianity for exactly the same reasons you use to dismiss the claims of non-Christian religions. You are right to dismiss those claims, as I do. You aren't right to cling to your own.
@@runelund5600 See above. [Added in edit] Also, you can google "scientific hoaxes" to get links to a variety of claims, including the infamous Piltdown man, that were debunked by a variety of means. And the people who debunked those claims were scientists themselves. Science is self-correcting, so claims such as Piltdown man or Nebraska man are received skeptically, and disproved in short order. There's no-one as fiercely critical of science as a rival scientist.
You just don't get this with religious claims - instead, there's a quiet conspiracy in order to fleece the flock. That's why shepherds keep sheep, after all.
“God overlooked people’s ignorance about those things in earlier times, but now He commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to Him” ( Acts 17:30).
“Search me, O God, and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts. Point out anything in me that offends you, and lead me along the path of everlasting life” ( Psalm 139:23,24).
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I love these discussions. They brought up our five senses. There may be light we can't see. Sounds we cant hear. Not may. It is so. Fasinating.
What a fascinating topic! Thanks James and Stephen!
Great conversation, glad to hear it. God bless
Thankyou Dr Tour and Stephen for this great discussion. I started off with stephen's book Return of the God Hypothesis. Coming from a science background (i am a physician by training) it was so helpful for my own spiritual strength as this increased my faith in God. This world with this scientific view makes more sense now!! Thankyou so much
Oh goodie... Christian fundies and Muslim fundies see eye to eye on stuff. How could that possibly not go horribly wrong?
In the songs the nature gives respect to the creator even the ocean is roaring even the mountains they gives respect to the lord because he is the master of creations.
Great conversation, I learned so much, Thank You both
I thoroughly enjoyed (understatement) the conversation. Not in the scientific field but I'm naturally curious and enjoy people's genius. Up there with the likes of Newton, in my eyes, these two are geniuses. God bless.
Truth sets free.
Loved this great interview: but do another one with Newtons concept of time and God! I’d love to listen to that
Great mind and spirit food that strengthens Faith.
Wonderful to follow the history intelligently in this video. Yes it takes focus and a bit of a strong vocabulary translation in real time as Stephen explains his strata of examples that move what he's targeting forward, but it can be done. Very Very solid. Thank you gentlemen 😊
Wonderful! Jtour has brought us closer to our Creator thru chemistry. Here, this conversation clarifies philosophy behind sciences and helps get a hold of the whole Bible in an additional manner.
How, exactly, are we "closer to our creator" through chemistry? I thought the point was the "creator" exists outside chemistry.
Starting from the 'core': ...proverbs 8:23... Dr Tour has exposed that in no lab has life been created. For an economics major like me that notion helps not to worry about those who claim otherwise. Yet I wait for new findings from chemists, trusting still dr Tour's evaluations. And keeping proverbs 8, book of Job and apostle Peter in mind, as reference.
@@MarkkuHoikkala Well, Jimmy is way out of his shallow depth on the evolution of biology and biochemistry, because of course, learning the relevant chemistry is forbidden to card-carrying young earth creationists.
While it is true that no biochemist has mixed a test-tube of chemicals together with life emerging instantly, no-one except naïve creationists like Jimmy would expect that to happen as simply as that. However, biochemists understand the basis of life, and have made new forms of it in the form of genetically modified organisms.
I doubt they'll crack abiogenesis in Jimmy's lifetime or mine, but what would he say if they did? Obviously, he'd just deny it ever happened, because his creationist views forbid anything else. He needs magic to be real for his faith to make any sense.
@@MarkkuHoikkala What Jimmy Tour knows about research into the origin of life could be written on the back of a postage stamp using large type. His continued employment at Rice is a poor reflection on that university.
I have noticed that dr Tour is waiting for some answers from his opponents. In the meantime, I'll concentrate on causal factors nicely brought out by Stephen Meyer here.
"Gravity" might cause you to fall off a cliff, but you should honor the God that's pulling you down.
If I recall correctly Newton when asked what gravity was, he said no one knew. It does make sense that God as Trinity would create a world where things are drawn to each other.
The reason Dr. Meyer gives for Newton not being a deist is a hasty generalization of deistic thought. Since early on deists have not been monolithic. There is a variety of deism that can be considered Christian deism that allows for the type of creative activity suggested by the natural theology of intelligent design.
Fantastic conversation. Thankful for both these great thinkers
44:20 "What is "the force?" - - - "well, that's what all the controversy is about." Thanks for meeting me in the middle 😂 I'm glad Y'all can enjoy 🧬
"Emergence" is a "scholastic, occult property."
I don't really know how to convey this quite right, but we need to have discussions like this, not just with lost, scientific-minded people, but also with church leadership. I feel like a majority of pastors and teachers in the church today are actually clinging to a "God of the gaps" type point of view, whether they know it or not, because they don't understand how to deal with these types of discussions, or maybe feel/fear science does point more to a random universe, rather than an intelligent design.
Scientifically minded people, unlike religiously minded people, aren't lost. They are trying to find answers using the only tool we've ever discovered that finds them. Religious folk just make stuff up and pretend they've found the answer.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666⬅️ didn't understand the discussion.
@@notsure1582 Yeah, two bible-believers agreeing with each other that their fantasies are true.
What an excellent discussion!
brilliant discussion just so knowledgeable and enlightening
It's a pity neither of them understand biology at all, or why real scientists are investigating abiogenesis.
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AH yes another one of the enlightened brigade all show and no trousersand you can match your intelligence with Newtons ?
@@peter3835 So perhaps as a brilliant guru yourself, you can explain how Tour and Meyers disproved evolution and abiogenesis, and proved Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden were real?
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Abiogenesis has not been proved,someone with your outlook on knowledge will never come to believe in God .There are certain things in life that can be proved and others that can not ,people like the two you mention reinforce our faith and faith in God is something I hope you can come to understand one day .
@@peter3835 No-one has claimed abiogenesis is proven science. My point is that you and the two twits can't prove it's impossible. All you have is faith in your god. You have no evidence to justify your faith, because if you did, it wouldn't be faith, it would be knowledge. I'm just not loony enough to have that sort of faith.
This was so interesting. Thanks so much for what you do, both of you.
Fascinating discussion! Thank you Dr. Tour!
Austin Farrer of Oxford, who was said to have come the closest of any British thinker to having a complete system, suggested in _Freedom of the Will _ that God runs the universe kind of like the way the mind runs the brain and a hand works through a glove, hence my song " Everything He Touches Turns to Love." I'm a piano technician, music teacher, songwriter, and poet. One of my poems is "A Tree Fell in the Forest." Thanks!! !!!
Thank you Dr Tour. So love your thoughtful content.
about min 16:00
the best example is resurrection of lazaro... how god do that? violation or contraforce of the nature laws. thanks for this material... greetings from Chile to both.
Fantastic research went into this presentation!
Yeah. They browsed their bibles.
@@Sparrow-hawk-666 i have less and less assurance that anyone whos believing in evolution has any brains. i mean look at your response!
Love the content. Keep it up the great work. God bless
Thank you, Thank you ! Such an enlightening discussion!
🌷Thank you both for a very informative talk!🌷
Dr Tour, i believe you are highlighting the differences between providence and sovereignty in minute 12. Natural occurrence is still under the purview of God and should not be viewed as separate from. It’s easy in this case for man to dissociate God from whatever we like making Him into a man-made concept rather than all-powerful