I love how many of the names for mechanics in this fight are based on outdated or largely discredited scientific theories (caloric theory, superchain theory/superstring theory, etc.). It's a subtle reinforcement of how wrong Athena is.
It's even more than that, in Phase 1 her ability names are named after not yet proven hypotheses (String Theory) while in Phase 2 she uses disproven scientific theories not because she is wrong but because she thinks that is how the world should be and now that she has the power to change it she actually alters reality so it fits her liking, when she uses caloric theory you resolve it more or less how people thought caloric theory worked.
I did record the first time my group saw enrage because I thought the animation was cool, here it is if you or anyone else wants to see it ruclips.net/video/-cGTC70RrVE/видео.html
I love that her Enrage is "ignorabimus", which is part of the quote "Ignoramus et ignorabimus", or "We do not know and Shall not know." She's incapable of understanding why you would resist her True Divinity.
@@BlitzkriegOmega her entire fight is flawed and disproven theories; for it to end on that one is a true testimony to her arrogance as an individual, as well as her transgression as a scientist: believing that she had achieved perfection. For what IS science, if not the pursuit of a perfect reality? Im gonna be cringe here and quote bleach because Kurotsuchi's line is pretty true: when you have achieved perfection, then you have lost your purpose as a scientist. Athena failed to understand that fundamental principle and that imho is why she was doomed to fail in every scenario
6:15 I don't know why but "From the deepest of seven hells to the pinnacle of the heavens, the world shall tremble!" sounds like Della duck from Ducktales
I'm stunned no one's realized this is a remixed variant fight on the final boss of the Ivalice raid, Ultima the High Seraph. She even uses the same boss lines, and the 2nd phase music is a vocal version of the theme. One massive throwback to FF Tactics.
@@fatezero4643 imo the raid design teams are running out of ideas and it's been showing for some time, but htis is blatant! i don't even understand why besides "auracite" reference w/ the heart of sabik. but even then, why? no BEAT THE HEART OF SABIK ref, soken? come on now. I like this fight, but I WISH we'd gotten to see a normal version of it in, well, normal mode. I hate that they lock these boss fights behind savage level. but that's just - i just don't understand the dev design theory with it, and honestly haven't since they implemented these. raids have been disappointing since eden series imo. and even then, omega was showing some downfalls but that was still peak raiding days imo. that's also when I quit raiding cuz of IRL XD
@@RaxiazRedux It's not like they are running out of ideas. People are over-exaggerating with this one. Just to put it in perspective, the ARR raid was the Crystal Tower series and everyone loved it. Heavensward had the originals with the Void Denizens series and it was well received. Stormblood had the ivalice series which was fantastic, especially the Orbonne monastery where Ultima was the final boss. Shadowbringer had the Nier series AND NOT ONCE have I heard people complaining about that even though the raid is from an ENTIRE different series than Final Fantasy. Where were the "devs are running out of ideas" back then? hm? It's purely biased. Then people see Athena and the Ultima twist and people start complaining a lot. The fk?
@@Yokai_Yurithey are running out of ideas so bad that Yoshi literally had to do a FFIV copy story for 6.1-6.5 lmao. Crystal tower also felt like a homage but it’s clear Yoshi is obsessed with XII and wants to replicate it so bad
Will you be covering/doing M4s as well? I love these videos so much and was curious :D (I always have this one playing because omg I love Athena’s voice lines 🫶 along with the music)
@@Bwaaa understandable with the retirement ❤️ and you’re welcome! Thank you for providing these videos for the community (I also watch the oracle of darkness one 🫶) have a good day now!
I can tell you but its heavy spoilers for a particular set of characters and story beat from A Realm Reborn. So if your happy with that then let me know and I will reply with it.
@Banana-cc5rx SPOILERS BELOW Basically Athena was the one who found the heart of the sabik, in the past way before our time. However The Heart of Sabik corrupts people and Athena was together with lahabrea and she became kinda crazy wanting to become a god. So because of this she can use the spell Ultima like how Lahabrea does during the ultima weapon fight because he channels the heart. There's also a running theory that the Heart of Sabik is a fragment from the final boss of the Rabanastre alliance raid.
@Banana-cc5rx All good I didn't want to give too much away from the msq as it does include more spoilers from that if I explained further, but hope your enjoying the game!
I also thought "Oh, another one of those people with a zoom mod." But I think it's just a weird perspective thing witht the snow globe mechanic? I think it makes your char smaller, which makes it seem like you're waaaay further out with you camera.
![Abyssos: The Eighth Circle (Savage) Phases I&II [BGM + SFX, Instance Cutscenes]](/img/1.gif)
I love how many of the names for mechanics in this fight are based on outdated or largely discredited scientific theories (caloric theory, superchain theory/superstring theory, etc.). It's a subtle reinforcement of how wrong Athena is.
Yeah I thought that was cool :3
It's even more than that, in Phase 1 her ability names are named after not yet proven hypotheses (String Theory) while in Phase 2 she uses disproven scientific theories not because she is wrong but because she thinks that is how the world should be and now that she has the power to change it she actually alters reality so it fits her liking, when she uses caloric theory you resolve it more or less how people thought caloric theory worked.
I never noticed that is cool.
Shame the final line of the fight was missed due the kill time, the line in question is "Why ...do I persist?"
I did record the first time my group saw enrage because I thought the animation was cool, here it is if you or anyone else wants to see it ruclips.net/video/-cGTC70RrVE/видео.html
I love how her voice tone changes on that last line! She sounds lost.
I love that her Enrage is "ignorabimus", which is part of the quote "Ignoramus et ignorabimus", or "We do not know and Shall not know."
She's incapable of understanding why you would resist her True Divinity.
@@BlitzkriegOmega her entire fight is flawed and disproven theories; for it to end on that one is a true testimony to her arrogance as an individual, as well as her transgression as a scientist: believing that she had achieved perfection. For what IS science, if not the pursuit of a perfect reality?
Im gonna be cringe here and quote bleach because Kurotsuchi's line is pretty true: when you have achieved perfection, then you have lost your purpose as a scientist. Athena failed to understand that fundamental principle and that imho is why she was doomed to fail in every scenario
God this is some Real Final Fantasy bullshit, I love it
6:20 tremble button
I always cringe when she says that, the least intimating voice line in the game other than wuk lamat in DT
As a newly retired raider, thank you for all four of these.
6:15 I don't know why but "From the deepest of seven hells to the pinnacle of the heavens, the world shall tremble!" sounds like Della duck from Ducktales
Yeah, the English VA of that line sounds very cheesy
Her roar finishing the part "the world shall tremble" make me laugh 😂😂😂😂
sounds a bit like Cid in the Orbonne monastery 🤔
They made it look so easy
14:27 this MCH gave me anxiety
I used to hate how she says "the world will CRUMBLE" but now I get it. She's become completely deranged. Of course she'd sound like that
I'm stunned no one's realized this is a remixed variant fight on the final boss of the Ivalice raid, Ultima the High Seraph. She even uses the same boss lines, and the 2nd phase music is a vocal version of the theme. One massive throwback to FF Tactics.
A lot of people knew, and a lot of people were disappointed because of it. It’s just Ultima 2.0 for some of the hardcore raiders. I liked it though
@@fatezero4643 imo the raid design teams are running out of ideas and it's been showing for some time, but htis is blatant! i don't even understand why besides "auracite" reference w/ the heart of sabik. but even then, why? no BEAT THE HEART OF SABIK ref, soken? come on now.
I like this fight, but I WISH we'd gotten to see a normal version of it in, well, normal mode. I hate that they lock these boss fights behind savage level. but that's just - i just don't understand the dev design theory with it, and honestly haven't since they implemented these.
raids have been disappointing since eden series imo. and even then, omega was showing some downfalls but that was still peak raiding days imo. that's also when I quit raiding cuz of IRL XD
@@RaxiazRedux It's not like they are running out of ideas. People are over-exaggerating with this one. Just to put it in perspective, the ARR raid was the Crystal Tower series and everyone loved it. Heavensward had the originals with the Void Denizens series and it was well received. Stormblood had the ivalice series which was fantastic, especially the Orbonne monastery where Ultima was the final boss. Shadowbringer had the Nier series AND NOT ONCE have I heard people complaining about that even though the raid is from an ENTIRE different series than Final Fantasy. Where were the "devs are running out of ideas" back then? hm? It's purely biased. Then people see Athena and the Ultima twist and people start complaining a lot. The fk?
@@Yokai_Yuriwhere do you hang out that people don't hate on ivalice and nier constantly?? can i go there??
@@Yokai_Yurithey are running out of ideas so bad that Yoshi literally had to do a FFIV copy story for 6.1-6.5 lmao.
Crystal tower also felt like a homage but it’s clear Yoshi is obsessed with XII and wants to replicate it so bad
Will you be covering/doing M4s as well? I love these videos so much and was curious :D (I always have this one playing because omg I love Athena’s voice lines 🫶 along with the music)
Unfortunately not as I am retired from XIV for now. Maybe some day I'll be back. Thank you for watching!
@@Bwaaa understandable with the retirement ❤️ and you’re welcome! Thank you for providing these videos for the community (I also watch the oracle of darkness one 🫶) have a good day now!
I haven't played till EW yet. What's her story in savage, why is she able to summon ultima?
The theme does remind me of Tactic's final battle
I can tell you but its heavy spoilers for a particular set of characters and story beat from A Realm Reborn. So if your happy with that then let me know and I will reply with it.
@@Wrendy2k7 yes spoil me. I am aware of lahabrea's part in this raid. But how did she obtain ultima's form with the heart of sabik it seems
@Banana-cc5rx SPOILERS BELOW
Basically Athena was the one who found the heart of the sabik, in the past way before our time. However The Heart of Sabik corrupts people and Athena was together with lahabrea and she became kinda crazy wanting to become a god. So because of this she can use the spell Ultima like how Lahabrea does during the ultima weapon fight because he channels the heart.
There's also a running theory that the Heart of Sabik is a fragment from the final boss of the Rabanastre alliance raid.
@@Wrendy2k7 thanks for the explaination. that theory does makes sense
@Banana-cc5rx All good I didn't want to give too much away from the msq as it does include more spoilers from that if I explained further, but hope your enjoying the game!
Whats that top your aura's wearing?
it's the Street Top from the mog station street attire set
Woah, how did you color code each role?
It's a new setting they added which I think is pretty great, character config > display name settings > general tab > apply colors according to role
@@Bwaaathxs
Does savage have a unique transition??
Yes, the 4th fight of each tier does.
Ah you play on Maximum View, which isnt possible ingame. Reminds me of the First TOP clear
I think it's just widescreen not the actual mod
The sound mix for this fight is trash. Her voice is so low...
I wonder... will I ever see this kill without mods? The search continues...
Where do you see mods in this video? I can‘t spot any
i don't have any mods installed but sorry if you don't like my UI, it works well for how my brain keeps track of stuff
@@Bwaaai think he was joking, aka the Omega Ultimate Hacked Camera Zoom out
@@Bwaaa
Your UI is fine, it's nice and clean and keeps everything right where your eyes probably are most of the time ^^
I also thought "Oh, another one of those people with a zoom mod." But I think it's just a weird perspective thing witht the snow globe mechanic? I think it makes your char smaller, which makes it seem like you're waaaay further out with you camera.