This movie has lived in my head rent-free since it came out when I was twelve. It had/has so much promise and potential, and it's a crying shame that it didn't get ANY continuation. Not a movie, not a show, nothing. This movie is one of the most underrated animated films ever made. And I will die on this hill.
William Joyce has stated before that he tried getting a tv show off the ground that explored Jack and the growth he’ll go through mentally and physically the more accustomed he becomes as a guardian. 😭
@@aragaminightmare9527 I like the idea of Krampus. Dark Guardians would be introduced into the franchise as a opposite group to OUR guardians. While the regular guardians bring fun and joy and protect, the dark guardians' jobs are punishments/consequences (all important to childhood of course, but meaner). The boogeyman would have fit right in that group. Alternatively, I have read a theory where Pitch could have been a guardian too. We all need a little fear in our lives to keep us from doing stupid things and hurting ourselves/others. So there is a third movie idea: Redemption arc for Pitch and him realizing he does have a place and is seen. The lesson for kids is to learn not to fear your fears, but to accept and learn from them, but don't let them overpower you. Fears shouldn't always just be buried under the bed if they can save your life.
@@CatoftheStorm There is a semi-canon prequel comic by someone who worked on the film that explores the idea of Pitch becoming a guardian! One of the main reasons why I would want a continuation if the series is to see a possible redemption arc for him (especially if they adapted his backstory from the bookseries).
I once saw the idea of a second film focusing on Pitch eventually taking over Holloween. Where he discovers the fun in fear, and the fact that its healthy to have a certain level of fear as children. I think Jack can teach him to focus on more tricks. Or possibly meet a character with severe trauma where it influences their fear. Pitch is shown to have empathy, infact it's one of his main motivations is for people to empathize with him. So him growing out of the victim complex and by helping another character out, manifesting a trauma in a safe environment where their open to the feelings it invokes. Could be really powerful.
I actually read a fanfiction with that exact storyline and it was fantastic! 10/10 would have wanted a movie of that. In that fanfiction, there was even a chapter about Pitch's empathy, showing how he doesn't even necessarily create childrens' nightmares himself - they happen even without his influence but he can read/interpret them. And when Jamie's little sister has a nightmare (and Jamie catches Pitch 'in the act' of watching her nightmare play out) he tells Jamie that the nightmare indicates his sister is getting bullied and maybe something should be done about that.
There’s a story about the headless horseman that is pretty famous around the Halloween season. It revolves around a man who goes into Sleepy Hollow and is spirited away by him. It would be cool to write him in the story. In my mind, the mystery villain is only described as a human body with a detachable head. If Jack O’Lantern had the design with a detachable pumpkin head, he would be a strong suspect. Meanwhile, you can introduce Ichabod Crane, a nice man who may say he resembles thanksgiving or something. Only to find out he was the headless horseman all along.
Ichabod Crane was from the colonial era America so thats why he dresses that way, Halloween is a hard holiday to portray for its a very old holiday but its celebrated differently around the world. There is the "Trick or Treat" Halloween, "Ancient Curses and Witchcraft" Halloween, "Remembering the Dead" Halloween, and various others based on cultures, so really Halloween would either have to depict all those variations in one character, or Halloween is a collective group of characters on their own. Unless there is other Guardian Groups for where is the one that repersents Hanukkah or Kwanza?
I thought of the candyman perhaps, in theory his name sounds nice but if you know anything about him he’s kinda like Krampus he takes children in the night or kills them. Feels fitting the one who has a cute name is the twist villain.
Honestly Dreamworks is really missing a great opportunity with this franchise. If they still fear it won’t do well, just go the Bad Guys route: seasonal specials showing short stories about the characters we live. Main difference being 1) not be prequels, let it continue on after the movie’s events, and 2) include other holiday characters like Stinky Jack, the Leprechaun and more.
And then here comes a new problem about creating these short stories of other holidays like The Bad Guys, but regardless it's still something they could do to get kids invested into Rise of the Guardians. The animation would be like Kung Fu Panda Legend of Awesomeness, and recasting the original actors like they always do. But like I said, if DreamWorks really do decide to make short stories of Rise of the Guardians, it would at least get kids invested into the characters.
@@shadowmarauder6033 I definitely agree! I would also say if they do any continuation, don’t try to tie in the books with the movie. I’ve read the books, and they are VASTLY different from the movie. If you want to incorporate some things from the books, adapt it so that it fits the lore of the movie. I love the idea of doing shorts. For a while HTTYD and Toy Story were releasing shorts on TV, and I would love to watch a ROTG short. I think Joyce said he had a couple of ideas for shorts, but they never got off the ground.
The guardians did mention Cupid and the Leprechaun during the show. A sequeal I would feel is Jack interacting with Fathertime and getting himself tossed back in history to discover his life before he became Jack Frost, and goes about the dilema of if he wants to prevent himself from becoming Jack Frost, while the other guardians try to track him down, coming across their past selves whom are more aware of time nonsense for they have been around for longer and know Fathertime, unlike Jack at that period of time. A common extra character people want is the repersentation of the other seasons that Jack does not control like Summer, Spring or Autumn.
@@lusaminefushiguro5332 There is not many repersentation of the seasons in folk or mythology, there are the Greek Horaes but Winter was not among them, the Greek Horaes are Spring, Summer and Autumn and they are all Goddesses.
Instead of Stingy Jack, I instead I propose another Halloween character: Samhain, or Sam for short. His core attribute would be Creativity/Imagination, because let's face it, there is no holiday like Halloween that stimulates creativity quite so much. Sam is a trickster and prankster, but also an illusionist, a craftsman, a magician and an innovator. He spends a lot of time scrounging through trash to find discarded materials he can turn into props, costumes, and set pieces; Sam is someone who looks at something someone has deemed useless and sees new potential. He can take a pile of old, wooden pallets and make a pretty convincing haunted house facade with them. The Guardians would be suspicious of him when they discover that he'd been harboring Pitch for the past several centuries, the two naturally working well together, and because he likes to give purpose to those others deem useless. He would have no idea what their beef with Pitch is, because he was not involved in Pitch's scheme, and because he has this optimistic obliviousness to the point that he fails to notice a lot of red flags unless someone else spells it out for him.
OMG perfect! I imagine him like a old haggard man with one eye, a hunch and a cane like a dark reflection of Santa. Maybe Jack could be his assistant? Stingy Jack could represent the tricks of holloween, Sam is creativity (and throwing my own idea in) the candyman represents fear (maybe at one point giving/compassion). Three characters for all of Halloween, Sam is a grump who likes being alone but entertains Jacks tricks bringing the mischief that inspires him while the Candy man used to have Jacks place at Sams side but took the pranks too far. The guardians don’t trust him or Jack because they originally saw no harm in pich but after him and Candyman started going too far, harming children instead of giving them a good scare before showing them there’s nothing to fear, he caste them out. At first the movie would have the guardians assume Stingy Jack was responsible for childrens fear but then Jack (as in frost) learns from Sam he used to have a different assistant, Candyman. Candyman used to bring smiles to children with Stingy Jack but grew jealous of the attention his younger counterpart got and plotted against him, maybe even revealing the real Sam was taken prisoner by Candyman and Candyman is now posing as him.
This is a folklore I've never heard. Although it made me think if Sam from Trick'r'Treat is named after this guy. The idea is fantastic! Hell you can even make a joke about Halloween and Christmas both being about creating (nudge nudge Nightmare Before Christmas nudge nudge),it'd be an interesting plot!
There’s literally so many folklore characters you can use. Father Time, Mother Nature, Mother Goose, Old Man Winter, Jack O’ Lantern, as you said, Cupid, Leprechaun. Heck, you can even pull an Eternals and have characters based on various real-world mythologies like Greek, Norse, Egyptian, Celtic, etc. and explain that the depictions of them in those religions were based on the ROTG counterparts. The possibilities are endless. Come on, Dreamworks! Make the people happy!
Father Time, Mother Goose, and Mother Nature are actually in the books’ I would honestly love a tv show that fits elements of the books into the movie universe Fun fact, Mother Nature is Pitch’s long lost daughter
Honestly though... Having your main lead be named "Jack" while having to work with a character with the same first name would allow for some REALLY interesting character foils.
Imagine every character named Jack just meeting each other... Jack Sparrow, Jack Skellington, Jack Frost (all of them), Jack Horner, and even Stinky Jack. That would be hilarious.
If we go with the Halloween theme, the moral should be that fear is not evil. The center of the Lantern (as he will be called to avoid confusion) would be fear, just like Pitch. However, while Pitch uses fear to abuse people, Lantern uses fear to educate people. Lantern's job is to make kids scared so that they don't make irresponsible decisions. Pitch had that job in the past but let the power go to his head. Because of their battle with fear in the previous movie, this would require some major contemplation on the heroes' part. The other guardians being old would be obstinate but Jack being the new guy would see things with fresh eyes. The theme of the story would be that fear is not some sort of illness that needs to be cured but rather a natural and at times healthy part of human nature. Perhaps the disaster you spoke of could be that without pitch kids aren't scared anymore so they are now doing dangerous things. And without fear keeping them rational they may end up killing themselves.
I feel like the two Jacks thing would actually be a pretty fun running gag. Maybe they could acknowledge just how many Jacks there are in fairytales and myths.
For a twist villain, I'd personally do Baba Yaga (from Slavic folklore). You can/could play her up as a seemingly nice grandma character but with sinister motives or actions when eyes aren't on her. You could make the plot like there's a bunch of children are going missing. The guardians suspect Jack 'O Lantern & all things point to him. But through Jack Frost & deeper investigations by the other guardians, it's revealed that Baba Yaga is responsible. Her motive? Paint herself as a good-natured figure in hopes of being chosen by the "man in the moon" as the next guardian. I'd think that Jack 'O Lantern would be chosen because at the end of the day/story/plot, he shows that he has his own personal code or lines that even he wouldn't cross, i.e. messing/tricking/eating children.
I think an interesting idea could be he was a very... unwanted child, having envy of every other child when he was young. So what you do is have him be the obvious suspect, but have it be revealed her tricks and messes with children to make them laugh, to be happy. Because Lantern wouldn't want a child to grow up like himself.
I love this idea and to expand on it: I imagine Baba Yaga would be constantly "flirting" with Santa Claus, making comments like "I could just gobble you up." She might even dislike Jack because he's so skinny and she might make jokes about rabbit stew with the Easter Bunny. They might even connect her a bit to the Hansel and Gretel story with her giving out treats to fatten up children so she can eat them (really dark, I grant you that). I contrast, Jack-o-lantern might explore the theme of "healthy fear," and even encourage a sort of "don't talk to strangers, much less accept candy from them." There's a lot you could to with the idea that the traditional purpose of a jack-o-lantern is the same as a gargoyle, to be sort of a totem that scares away evil spirits. The other guardians might fall for her tricks, and it's up to Jack to scare Baba Yaga away from the children. You could do a lot to explore the idea that "scary" doesn't mean bad, especially when it scares away something evil. Also, total side note, I'd love if they had a character who is just "The Ferryman" with the idea that there are some places that childhood magic is not allowed to take you.
@@bradwalls8656 Anyone ever see the Anastasia spin off Bartok the magnificent? Baba Yaga was supposed to be the super scary kidnapper when the prince went missing.
I love the idea of a story that centers around the older guardians overcoming prejudice and preconceived biases. There are so many opportunities for growth not only in the main cast overall, but Jack's connection to the older guardians as well. There is SO MUCH room for tasty drama and satisfying conflict resolution there.
7:19 I GOT SO EXTREMELY EXCITED WHEN YOU SAID STINGY JACK!! Every year my English teacher practically SHOVES that story into our brain and explains the story over and over again and (being from Ireland myself) would be a great way to explore more traditional sides of folklore (especially since Halloween ORIGINATED in Ireland so it makes sense!!). Like just imagine the similarities between Jack and … Jack! They are both tricksters and people (or the guardians) try there best to avoid them, so it would be extremely interesting from a narrative view point for Jack (O’ lantern) to bring out Jack frosts more Chaotic side!!
I’ve dreamed up a ROTG TV series with new characters like mother goose, Father Time, April showers and May flowers. I love your idea for a guardians sequel!
Personally for a sequel, I've always had the idea of another guardian being based on Valentines day (halloween, while amazing in design opportunities, seems too similar to pitch black) With another girl guardian being able to hear the inner voices of people (hearing their innermost wishes and desires). Valentina (I'm workshopping the name lol) is being called in because there has been an uprising of darkness and anxiety within not just children, but teenagers as well, so she would use her abilities to try and assist in finding the root of the darkness, only to find it's cause is more isolation due to the rise of technoology and how it's stopping people from connecting with others (symptoms which would be made worse by another character that thrives off feelings of anxiety and isolation). and the only way to assist with that would be to remind people of how to connect with the people around them and their inner child. I'll probably still write this as fanfiction, I'll keep you posted X3
If you do end up writing this as a fanfiction, please link it! I’d love to read this, it sounds like an awesome continuation to the franchise. If Valentina and Jack teamed up as the Guardians of love and fun, it would make sense their biggest adversary would be technology as it is today. Very good idea! :)
If they needed a new villain (since Pitch isn’t coming back anytime soon), this does open the possibility for a fun idea. In the first movie Pitch was trying his best to get Jack to turn to the dark side, which begs the question… Has that happened before? A Guardian turning dark? It’s not mentioned in the film, but the group seems to know a lot of other Guardian candidates (The Leprechaun, St. Roch, The Groundhog), so what if there have been Guardians that turned dark? Some fun candidates would be Krampus (a little on the nose, I know), Father Time, Mother Nature, Stingy Jack (Jack’O Lantern), Uncle Sam, The April Fool and Baby New Year Or maybe even a combination of the candidates who became incensed due to being passed over for other Guardians.
But you make an interesting case with Tech being the “antagonist” of this hypothetical sequel. For all the good that technological advancement has brought us, it has really desensitized us to the Wonder, Hope, Dreams, Memories and even Fun that living can give us. So watching the Guardians having to contend with an enemy that doesn’t exactly have a physical form, or maybe a more abstract form, would be an interesting challenge. Heck, if you wanted to… Maybe our dependence on Tech and AI results in the birth of a new being. I can imagine their personality being like the New Gods (Media, Mr. World and Technical Boy) from American Gods.
A rise of the guardians tv show where they encounter different folklore characters every episode, sorta being like a monster of the week format, is the perfect direction this franchise could go
I think Rise of the Guardians is more likely to get an animated series in the future than a movie, but I still have hope. If either come into existence, there is a lot of potential with holiday themes and such.
My thought for a sequel when I first watched the movie was : Jack while doing his fun adventures and wandering discovers the antithesis of the guardian (possible named the the 'vilified') a group that exist as not the guardians of hope & joy but as the inducers of fear and corrections (who could include ancient guardians. This "vilified" could be represented by : Krampus (or another equivalent like Hans trap/ père fouettard) the twin brother at the opposite of Santa, he is well dressed like a proper business man and not like a Russian crime boss but stoic and less prone to joy compared to his brother. The death reaper (classical representation or you could have fun with it) Kelpies (or the other variants) the idea is to have creatures that represent the various wrongs and fears children can have. Jack realises that these guys aren't actually evil per say, they are given the harsh tasks of being the "evils" and fears children need to learn to survive. Now there is huge tensions between the groups because of Pitch black (who was a bit from each group and caused troubles in both groups). Some event happens (could be anything) and this forces both the guardians and the "vilified" to work together resolving their differences. and why not a little twist villain were the antagonist are actually a member from both groups who want to take over the world ( but only if it is written well).
Ooh I have an idea where either A. The main villain could be Krampus or B. The Headless Horseman could be an imposter for Stingy Jack which could lead into your character getting framed idea.
I was thinking headless horseman for Halloween too! And why couldn't potential guardians fight over who gets the position over a Holiday? Could there even be two guardians over one Holiday? There really are so many possibilities for the franchise.
Jack is a surprisingly common name in these stories. Jack and Jill, Jack and the beanstalk, Jack O Lantern, jack jumped over the candle stick. And kids are not dumb enough to confuse 2 characters named Jack. So, a Halloween sequel with a pumpkin Jack that is about scarring kids in fun ways as the new protagonist can be great for a twist villain. How about Cupid a love base character that so nobody would really suspect him to be a villain.
Such a neat concept! RotG absolutely deserved to become a franchise - endless possibilities, world building and characters (new and old) to explore… I’m, very unfortunately, terribly optimistic that someday *something* will come.
You can have the villain be a stereo typical pilgrim who seems nice and thankful, but then reveals his colors of being ruthless glutton inspired by Christopher Columbus
Rise of the Guardians has been one of my favourite Dreamworks-movies for years. I still want a sequel. Or at leat a bunch of fun shorts, each depicting a fun way of Jack trying to bust into North's workshopp & the yetis stopping him every time.
My idea: The Guardian is The Headless Horseman, and the villain is BABA YAGA. The whole fear conflict is there, and the villain is even more evil and threatening than Pitch ever was. I think it could work.
Regarding a nice holiday character that would make a great twist villain, I think the Leprechaun fits the bill perfectly. Well known enough to be an "obvious pick" for the guardians and is generally depicted as a whimsical little guy, but mischievous enough in his own folklore to act villainously. He would be a perfect counter for this Jack-o'-lantern guy as they are both Irish and both are judged at first sight with Jack judged as a monster and the leprechaun as a light-hearted lucky charms mascot. And his mischievousness can easily be hidden behind the fact that Jack Frost was also mischievous when he started so the guardians feel more willing to give the leprechaun the same chance. One witch this devious little rascal can easily take advantage of.
This is what I’ve been screaming for YEARS ever since I became a fan of this movie!! I need more content for ROTG!!! Recently, all you see now are remakes, but ROTG is just sitting there BEGGING for a sequel or even a TV show. There’s so much you can explore with this franchise, and Dreamworks refuses to do anything with it. I can understand why, but at the same time, take a little risk and do something with it! I honestly agree that a TV show would be the better way to go. Think of the Tangled Series, you have multiple episodes to cover different storylines and develop different characters. You can also explore character relationships, especially Jack’s relationships with each of the other Guardians. You can easily release it on a streaming service without so much as a risk of it not making the big bucks a movie would. Just…UGH! Come on, Dreamworks! I know it’s not likely, but hey, it took 14 years for an Incredibles sequel. Who knows? We might be surprised one day.
I feal like a sequel should focus on the consequences of getting rid of pitch since fear is something that usually protects kids from danger, it keeps us alive. jack probably wouldn't have died if him and his sister had been too scared to go on the ice in the first place so clearly pitch wasn't doing his job properly and since the whole thing of being a guardian is about protecting kids I think there a lot you could do with this kind of storyline
Ah, *Rise of The Guardians* , the cinematic jewel that has been a wonderful resident in my head since the day I first saw it. The sequel does sound interesting as it would be an interesting looks at the similarities and contrasts between Jack Frost and Jack O' Lantern as both are mischievous tricksters but with different motives, one innocent fun and the other not-so-innocent fun. Although, they could include a second Halloween character called *Trick O' Treat* who could be the more positive version of *Jack O' Lantern* or once upon a time was close to Jack O' Lantern but things fell through and Jack O' Lantern is now causing chaos and possibly trying to destroy Jack Frost's reputation with his tricks. Jack O' Lantern being a trickster could have the ability to change part of his appearance to look like Jack Frost which would play more on how people mistaken Jack O' Lantern for Jack Frost. However, the spirit Trick O' Treat could be the one helping prove Jack's innocence and exposing Jack O' Lantern's tricks and helping uncover why Jack O' Lantern who once close to Trick O' Treat suddenly turned so bad. The sequel could look into the spirit figures that represent Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas. So while Jack O' Lantern may be causing havoc, he might not be the only one and another dark figure could be at work too with him like maybe *Krampus* or another figure. It could maybe even be a new spirit as a villain who is not connected to any known lore but in a way connected to factors of the lore like maybe a spirit connected to the Grimm Reaper who no longer wants to maintain balance or a spirit connected to monsters like the Wendigos who wants to bring true terror. The reason that these antagonistic spirits are rising now could be that when Pitch Black, the Nightmare King, was on top, him being on top was what kept these other spirits at bay but now that he's not there, they're all coming out of the cracks. This could set the stage for a third movie with Pitch Black's return and possible redemption after the heroes have temporarily defeated the sequel's new villain but kicks off the third villain. The third movie could have Pitch's return to either work with the new villain or help the heroes defeat the new villain who is more dangerous than anticipated. This could bring the understanding that Pitch's element of Fear is not bad but is what created the essence of caution and protection, something that the other guardians' elements can't quite do because their elements essentially encourage cancelling out fear but not truly understanding the importance of it which might be what Pitch is about as while he is responsible for fear, he is also responsible for people being cautious of what could harm them which is his own way to protect from harm. Honestly, I'm still waiting for the day that they announce that they are giving Rise of the Guardians a sequel, triquel and a TV Show.
Love the idea of two Jacks, as this gives a great chance for Frost to observe his own arc from the last film from a new perspective. I can see him getting upset about the way the “other Jack” is being viewed and going out of his way to stand up for them. I will say, if a Halloween character is used to be very careful not to vilify them. Halloween already struggles as a Holiday thanks to “Christmas creep” and it’d be way too easy to just make “fear bad” the simple message. If you go into the idea of centers, O’Lantern’s could be “courage”, since his fear based antics could be focused on encouraging kids to be brave or take ownership of the things that scare them or just plain have the guts to BE what they want to be, if only for just one night. I think that’s a positive message that needs to be seen and understood a lot better than it is.
I mean, playing into the idea of this being a Rise of The Guardians 2, the full title could be, 'Rise of The Guardians: Tale of 2 Jacks.' I've actually thought about this a lot. Including how to clean up Stingy Jack's character. In both cases of tricking the devil, he uses a cross that he carved. One he whitled in his pocket for when the devil was a coin, and the other etched into the base of the apple tree. This idea of being a carver/wittler could then play into the biggest aspect of Halloween: Costumes. Back when he was a normal human, Stingy Jack would've been disliked for his tricky and prankster nature, always scaring people. But, when the veil between the human a spirit real was at its weakest (Oct 31st) and spirits began flooding into our world, Jack would spring into action. Carving faces into pumpkins and handing out his hand-made masks to help people scare off the spirits, marking him as someone worthy of becoming a guardian by The Man in The Moon.
idea for jack (Stingy jack) design wise at least. Make him a dulluhan. Basically like a centaur with a detachable head (like a headless horseman) and a spine as a whip. Not only would that be badass, a memorable design fit for halloween, maybe he could use his pumpkin head as the lamp (maybe have a joke where he grumbles why do they always think it's a turnip, he's much more sophisticated than a root veggie) His centaur body and whip could make the guardians even more apprehensive since he has a big scary weapon and their trauma relating to Pitch's nightmare horses. He could relate to Jack (Frost) in how sometimes a little fear can be fun and the guardians all call him 'Stinge' for the whole movie until they trust him and call him something else idk what though
I love this movie and i love the idea for Jack O'Lantern beign the main villain. I think Krampus could also fit into the Rise of the Guardians universe maybe as the 3rd movie villain.
Rise of the Guardians 2 now that would be great to see, I haven't seen the movie for a while now but I still like it. But u know it wouldn't be a bad idea for Dreamworks to maybe get back into this world and expand upon it with other holidays or any folklore characters. Honestly a huge opportunity with this world just very surprised there isn't any show or shorts or anything related to it at all but I'm hoping that maybe we might see the rise of this frachise eventually be reintroduced to everyone and become successful. But who knows will it, wont it happen is anyone's guess but it does deserve more love and care.
Ok to go off your concept, I would have stingy jack be kinda like the overseer of Halloween and protect people, in real life Halloween was supposed to be the one night that the spirit realm and mortal realm connect (i saw this somewhere but i don’t know if this is accurate) so I say we play into that and have the main cast capture stingy jack a few days before Halloween and then we get the split with the guardians, in the mean time I say we introduce baba yaga a character that is trying to blend the spirit realm and mortal realm together causing a lot of trouble, and without stingy jack she is able to do so.
I say baba yaga because like you said we can use a character who looks nice but actually be bad, and the reason I want stingy jack to be the overseer of Halloween is because in his story he tricked the devil to stall time so maybe he can trick other spirits to not enter the mortal realm.
Another possible villain could be Krampus. Maybe the Guardians defetes him before and now Pitch do some manipulation to make Krampus attack children again. I know there are many chrismas based movies and with Krampus it would be another, but it is just a thought. I am still begging Dreamworks every chanse I get for them to allowe Peter Ramsey and his team to make sequels. Mr Ramsey has said it himself that he would make a sequel if Dreamworks let him.
One of my favorite Dreamworks films. Even if I don't really vibe with them now, I'd definitely watch a sequel to ROTG (assuming the same cast returns).
I have mixed feelings. While it's been a long while since I've seen the movie, I remember coming home and making a recording of myself talking about awe and wonder. I needed to express myself aloud about it. And how I wanted to give people that same feeling I felt somehow, someday. I would love to feel more of that. In this setting, even. But I also am tired of sequels and remakes. And while I'd watch a sequel to this in a heartbeat, I also look at what they did to Megamind. Would they destroy this as well? Is not having more a blessing? I'm currently dealing with grief over multiple things, including the death of my dad. The world seems really bleak. But I think I'll rewatch this. Thank you for making this video and reminding me of it. I need some *hope.*
I've always thought introducing the halloween Jack was the ideal followup to RotG. Not even as a villain or twist villain, but just as a character who is a consistent thorn in winter Jack's side. Another trickster who finds the guardian roll something that would dull a trickster's spirit.
YES YES YES! i love your ides Jack O Lantern would make a great assumed villain turned hero. He is similar enough to pitch black except the thing is that kids really love Halloween and love it spooky creepy aesthetic. Yes, it’s scary, but that’s the point! Similar to that Halloween special of My Little Pony with princess Luna/the nightmare!
I like the villain idea, however, I don't think the jack thing would get by, but, there is a fix, using the idea you have, I believe there's a way this can work and all you have to do is switch stingy Jack out with Sam Hein and make the "spooky for spookies sake" character the headless horsemen, and just have him say he scared Ichibod off to another state
a series would be cool or special with Santa meeting the christmas witch or other people who do his job around the world could be set in the past and in the end all combine under Santa to build up his huge crew from the first movie
You could also have our Pumpkin headed Jack be in relation to the events of the Story of Sleepy Hollow. But have his folklore event be that he agreed to prank the locals of the town, only to find he accidentally scared a person to death (a certain man named Crane from the story) and after trying to remove his costume, finds that he can no longer remove it. And the Pumpkin on his head has actually become his real head
I agree with putting other holiday or season (like fall, spring or even summer) characters, and some of the other guardians from the book series like Mother Earth, or Mother Goose. This story has sooooo much potential, it’s sad how Dreamworks keep making sequels for the same five trilogies (Shrek, How to Train your Dragon, Trolls, Madagascar and Kung Fu Panda). Don’t get me wrong all are great, and their newest movie The Wild Robot was well done. But it would be nice if they revisited some of their older films that still make an impression today (and still has a fan base). I believe that with good writing, a sequel would work wonders!
What if the plot is Jack Frost one day begins to randomly fade away slowly as if he were being forgotten. Due to this Jack becomes too weak to use his abilities, leaving the other guardians to have to find out what's the cause. The guardians search and use all their abilities to try and find out what's happening to Jack, even tracking the whereabouts of the boogeyman to ensure he isn't the cause. Anyways sandman would eventually find out through through one of the dreams he's traversing that another "guardian" is being conjured. Through little rumors and stories being spread on the playground a guardian named Headless Jack would come to be. Headless Jack would essentially be the spirit of halloween since it's one of the last seasons before the winter [Jack Frost and Santa's holiday time]. Since the name Jack is being used another way, the powers that are fading from Jack Frost are making Headless Jack stronger. Much like the first movie instead, Jack Frost isn't the one save the squad, it's the squad saving Jack Frost. Idk I'm high 💯
I haven't been this happy with a random RUclips algorithm recommendation in ages. I just watched your "Greatest Tragedy" video on this movie and I'm so excited for this one. I couldn't agree more with everything you feel about RotG. I'm even 28 and while I remember feeling somewhat excited for it when the trailers were first releasing I only watched it for the first time in my 20s, years after its release and fully as an adult. I absolutely love it; It felt like finding a hidden gem. Thank you for feeding the neglected part of my heart and soul this movie sits in because there's no other media out there for it. You're a real one.
I'd love for a Rise of the Guardians sequel. As for a villain...to keep with Halloween and that being my favorite holiday anyway, I like the idea of Jack-o-Lantern being the villain. Slight difference though. He was chosen as a Guardian a long time ago, but due to disbelief by older folks who used to believe in him, as well as a twisting of what Halloween is meant to mean, he left the Guardians. Unlike Pitch who was never a Guardian in the first place, Jack left the Guardians of his own volition, but he made a promise before he did. He promised that he would never allow the Man in the Moon to choose a new Guardian to take his place. "Halloween is MY Holiday. If people want to fear me instead of rejoice, then I'll give them a reason to fear." Rather than helping to spread wonder and joy and laughter, Jack starts spreading fear. Like Pitch, but unlike Pitch he's already powerful during Halloween. Because people already have that fear. So he just uses that to make his "Halloween Monsters" realistic. Werewolves, vampires, witches... undead cheerleaders. He takes no joy in it because he's not really EVIL, he's just sorely misunderstood because of people changing. Cue Jack Frost and the Guardians teaching him that there are still people who love his holiday, times are just different and it's harder for people to fully enjoy Halloween.
I'd honestly love to see stingy jack be used in a film like rise of the gaurdians it would just be perfect. I love your idea but another option could be that stingy jack forms his own team of dark folklore characters to combat the gaurdians, like krampus to oppose santa or lycaon the wolf king to combat the easter family for example
I think you’re good guy fake out character could be the embodiment of Valentine’s Day. Maybe Cupid? That way you could play off of the preconceived notion of love always being good even though it has its dark sides
Honestly I'd like the idea of the Spirit of Halloween rising up as the next bad guy, mainly seeking to usurp the other holidays, feeling like his holiday isn't respected or appreciated as much anymore, even acting as a knock at how Christmas stuff is constantly put up well before December even rolls around.
That would be cool if they add Cupid or Santa's evil counterpart Krampus. Maybe add mother nature and also we hadn't even seen Mrs Claus or for the Italians La Befana the Christmas witch an idea for a sequel the guardians solving the mystery of the disappearing children with the help with others like the leprechaun or the groundhog or a teenager who had the ability to see them and found out the children were kidnapped by the unseelie fae to turn the children into Fae since the FAE been around before the guardians the Battle of two courts the seelie and the unseelie court
Fun Fact:Rise of the Guardinas was a succes in the end!Why only on VIDEO sales alone in ONLY 2 years it made over 200 million(The difference is unlike the theatrical the DVD sales come with 90 percent share for DW so in fact it was in the end a succes(Also this also doesnt account for money made from merch,licensing etc. so in the end the film was definitively in the red... So it was more of a dissapointment at first rather that an outright flop(Bee Movie cost 150 an on theatrical only made 297...and was not labeled a flop or a writedown mainly due to dvd sales)and when it comes to sequels impressions of the previous movie matter a lot and thankfully rotg has a great reputation An RotG sequel still is possible and has a fairly decent chance,plus Joyce,Ramsey and Del Toro have made it clear that they would love to make a sequel(I bethca during all these years they had plenty of time to plan out a continuation,that and DW is very good in sequels make me believe that a sequel is in good hands)....
Krampus or Stingy Jack would be cool villains to feature in a potential sequel. Also the yule lads from icelandic folklore could be cool villains for a sequel.
Fun Fact: There is a rather successful series here on youtube (and lately on Amazon) who feels like the Rise of the Guardian with Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, teeth fairy, Sandman and the man on the moon. The problem: It's a only german production with no verbal Translation. For these who are interesteted the chanel is called Julien Bam and it's really good and high Quality.
If they had made a sequel to Rise of the Guardians, I think it would be cool if the second film introduced Cupid, and he would be a new member of the Guardians.
I have an idea for the twisted villan...Cupid, hear me out, nobody would expect him to the twisted villan in the universe, so Jack O lantern would seem like the bad one, I can explain more if anyone want
Huh...i thought of a group of films a while back like this. Only each one had a different villian for a different guardian. Krampus to counter Santa, The Wild Hunt(Fae) to literally Hunt the Easter Bunny, Baba Yaga or Grimhild for Tooth Fairy(wanted a fairy vs witch angle), Never could think of one for jack though.
I was even thinking why can’t the studio do a valentine theme girl Cupid who can spread all different forms of love in Rise of the Guardians 3 while handling her old best friend “April Fools” whose the antagonist spreading trickery left and right without any regard for anyone else.
The nice guy should be saint Patrick, and he'd have leprechaun minions, because both him and stingy jack are irish and could argue, and he'd bond with the others by being a fairy like being, a saint, associated with greenery, AND have a very similar personality to sandman. Thats one for everyone except jack, who bonds with jack because mischievousness
Honestly, the character dynamic of having Jack Frost, being wholesome winter fun and Jack lantern being the opposite side of the coin with prank Ing that’s a little more mean spirited or scare oriented could be fun. like people enjoy a good scare when they’re safe and it makes them wholesome fun more
6:56 What if Man in Moon made a new Guardian who was Pumpkin King, and the film was about old verses new, while keeping the idea that Guardians protect kids and help them overcome fears. Also, the idea of Turnip vs Pumpkin, as a symbolism of Old vs New, helps serve the motif. There are various haunted figures of Autumn tales. The Headless Horseman, La Llorona/Jenny Greenteeth, Hyakki Yagyō, the Wild Hunt; there are many entities and nameless masses that can be used.
I always loved the idea of the Guardians facing off against Krampus or the Baba Yaga (who in this continuity would be Pitch’s mother). Or maybe they could have a series of trickster spirits from different folktales all compete for who becomes to mascot for April Fools?
The problem is, I really Really REALLY wish Rise of the Guardians had been a much better movie. It's supposedly about the "Guardian(s)" plural, but the bulk of the movie is just Jack, Jack, Jack, all over the place, with the other Guardians being either pushed aside or made to look like pansies, and the unpleasantness of the Boogie Man just constantly getting over on them at every possible opportunity until Jack gets to swoop in and save them all in the last 5 minutes. We needed a much longer runtime for this movie with more of a focus on the Guardians as a whole and who they are. I wanna see Santa Claus actually using those swords of his. I wanna see what tricks Bunny has up his sleeve and how he uses them in combat. I wanna see Tooth... do... something. ANYTHING. They seriously didn't flesh her out very well, AND, I wanna know who each of them were before in their previous lives, where Santa could have been the original St Nicholas, who was chosen for his generosity, and Sandman could have been an artist. Maybe a sculptor who stayed up at all hours of the night trying to perfect his creations. It just feels like a lot of missed opportunities, is all.
I would absolutely LOVE a Halloween-inspired ROTG sequel, especially with the amount of folklore in the world you've got to choose from! Maybe I'm biased because I also adore the trickster archetype, but The Stingy Jack character you've described here already lives in my heart. So many times I've seen tv shows in particular use the aesthetic of it and not really anything beyond that, but you really seem like you're serious about giving Jack-o some screentime and plot development. I'm also really vibing with the themes of judgement and profiling, as it's something that I find isn't really covered in media (especially kids' media) all that much. If you need me for a petition, I'll be here
Honestly, a Rise of the Guardians Trilogy, if it had been done right, would've likely been on par with HTTYD, in my honest opinion. But alas... we may never know
This movie has lived in my head rent-free since it came out when I was twelve. It had/has so much promise and potential, and it's a crying shame that it didn't get ANY continuation. Not a movie, not a show, nothing. This movie is one of the most underrated animated films ever made. And I will die on this hill.
Same here dude, this movie refuses to leave my head, we need a sequel
Sitting on top of that hill along side you both!
Thing came out when I was 4. It is only second to HTTYD in my brain.
I totally agree, and I was in it!
Then we shall stand proudly together
William Joyce has stated before that he tried getting a tv show off the ground that explored Jack and the growth he’ll go through mentally and physically the more accustomed he becomes as a guardian. 😭
A TV show would be great because it would give them more breathing room to do good stories
@@DragonGoddess18 Plus, we could have seen other Holiday figures since they mentioned the Groundhog and Leprechaun. Maybe Cupid or Krampus.
Oooh! I would love that! And we could have even more characters by way of "Imaginary Friends". If Guardians are real, why not IFs?
@@aragaminightmare9527 I like the idea of Krampus. Dark Guardians would be introduced into the franchise as a opposite group to OUR guardians. While the regular guardians bring fun and joy and protect, the dark guardians' jobs are punishments/consequences (all important to childhood of course, but meaner). The boogeyman would have fit right in that group.
Alternatively, I have read a theory where Pitch could have been a guardian too. We all need a little fear in our lives to keep us from doing stupid things and hurting ourselves/others. So there is a third movie idea: Redemption arc for Pitch and him realizing he does have a place and is seen. The lesson for kids is to learn not to fear your fears, but to accept and learn from them, but don't let them overpower you. Fears shouldn't always just be buried under the bed if they can save your life.
@@CatoftheStorm There is a semi-canon prequel comic by someone who worked on the film that explores the idea of Pitch becoming a guardian! One of the main reasons why I would want a continuation if the series is to see a possible redemption arc for him (especially if they adapted his backstory from the bookseries).
I once saw the idea of a second film focusing on Pitch eventually taking over Holloween. Where he discovers the fun in fear, and the fact that its healthy to have a certain level of fear as children.
I think Jack can teach him to focus on more tricks. Or possibly meet a character with severe trauma where it influences their fear. Pitch is shown to have empathy, infact it's one of his main motivations is for people to empathize with him. So him growing out of the victim complex and by helping another character out, manifesting a trauma in a safe environment where their open to the feelings it invokes. Could be really powerful.
This is what I hope for as well
I actually read a fanfiction with that exact storyline and it was fantastic! 10/10 would have wanted a movie of that. In that fanfiction, there was even a chapter about Pitch's empathy, showing how he doesn't even necessarily create childrens' nightmares himself - they happen even without his influence but he can read/interpret them. And when Jamie's little sister has a nightmare (and Jamie catches Pitch 'in the act' of watching her nightmare play out) he tells Jamie that the nightmare indicates his sister is getting bullied and maybe something should be done about that.
@@Aghul dude just don't say this and not tell us te fic title and author! I wanna read!!
@@Aghul Cou you provide the Sauce, please?
@@AghulDude! I would LOVE to read that fanfic! Pitch and Jack are my favorite characters! Do you have the name of the story and author?
There’s a story about the headless horseman that is pretty famous around the Halloween season. It revolves around a man who goes into Sleepy Hollow and is spirited away by him. It would be cool to write him in the story.
In my mind, the mystery villain is only described as a human body with a detachable head. If Jack O’Lantern had the design with a detachable pumpkin head, he would be a strong suspect. Meanwhile, you can introduce Ichabod Crane, a nice man who may say he resembles thanksgiving or something. Only to find out he was the headless horseman all along.
Ichabod Crane was from the colonial era America so thats why he dresses that way, Halloween is a hard holiday to portray for its a very old holiday but its celebrated differently around the world. There is the "Trick or Treat" Halloween, "Ancient Curses and Witchcraft" Halloween, "Remembering the Dead" Halloween, and various others based on cultures, so really Halloween would either have to depict all those variations in one character, or Halloween is a collective group of characters on their own. Unless there is other Guardian Groups for where is the one that repersents Hanukkah or Kwanza?
I thought of the candyman perhaps, in theory his name sounds nice but if you know anything about him he’s kinda like Krampus he takes children in the night or kills them. Feels fitting the one who has a cute name is the twist villain.
@@blaquerose121 The Candyman is not really related to Halloween, he is a Black Community Urban Legend character like Bloody Mary.
I was about to say why not just use "The Boogey Man" to represent Halloween, but then forgot that was literally Pitch's nickname in the movie lol
You could also give the headless horseman the name Dullahan, who were ancient headless spirits who are the Irish equivalent to the headless horseman
Honestly Dreamworks is really missing a great opportunity with this franchise. If they still fear it won’t do well, just go the Bad Guys route: seasonal specials showing short stories about the characters we live. Main difference being 1) not be prequels, let it continue on after the movie’s events, and 2) include other holiday characters like Stinky Jack, the Leprechaun and more.
And then here comes a new problem about creating these short stories of other holidays like The Bad Guys, but regardless it's still something they could do to get kids invested into Rise of the Guardians. The animation would be like Kung Fu Panda Legend of Awesomeness, and recasting the original actors like they always do.
But like I said, if DreamWorks really do decide to make short stories of Rise of the Guardians, it would at least get kids invested into the characters.
@@shadowmarauder6033 I definitely agree! I would also say if they do any continuation, don’t try to tie in the books with the movie. I’ve read the books, and they are VASTLY different from the movie. If you want to incorporate some things from the books, adapt it so that it fits the lore of the movie. I love the idea of doing shorts. For a while HTTYD and Toy Story were releasing shorts on TV, and I would love to watch a ROTG short. I think Joyce said he had a couple of ideas for shorts, but they never got off the ground.
The guardians did mention Cupid and the Leprechaun during the show.
A sequeal I would feel is Jack interacting with Fathertime and getting himself tossed back in history to discover his life before he became Jack Frost, and goes about the dilema of if he wants to prevent himself from becoming Jack Frost, while the other guardians try to track him down, coming across their past selves whom are more aware of time nonsense for they have been around for longer and know Fathertime, unlike Jack at that period of time.
A common extra character people want is the repersentation of the other seasons that Jack does not control like Summer, Spring or Autumn.
In the books, Ombric is Father Time and his adopted Daughter, Katherine, is a very important character in the book.
Hah when I was younger and was OBSESSED with this movie first thing I did was open a notebook and design the other seasons to be Jack's buddies
@@lusaminefushiguro5332 There is not many repersentation of the seasons in folk or mythology, there are the Greek Horaes but Winter was not among them, the Greek Horaes are Spring, Summer and Autumn and they are all Goddesses.
Instead of Stingy Jack, I instead I propose another Halloween character: Samhain, or Sam for short.
His core attribute would be Creativity/Imagination, because let's face it, there is no holiday like Halloween that stimulates creativity quite so much.
Sam is a trickster and prankster, but also an illusionist, a craftsman, a magician and an innovator. He spends a lot of time scrounging through trash to find discarded materials he can turn into props, costumes, and set pieces; Sam is someone who looks at something someone has deemed useless and sees new potential. He can take a pile of old, wooden pallets and make a pretty convincing haunted house facade with them.
The Guardians would be suspicious of him when they discover that he'd been harboring Pitch for the past several centuries, the two naturally working well together, and because he likes to give purpose to those others deem useless. He would have no idea what their beef with Pitch is, because he was not involved in Pitch's scheme, and because he has this optimistic obliviousness to the point that he fails to notice a lot of red flags unless someone else spells it out for him.
I like it
OMG perfect! I imagine him like a old haggard man with one eye, a hunch and a cane like a dark reflection of Santa. Maybe Jack could be his assistant? Stingy Jack could represent the tricks of holloween, Sam is creativity (and throwing my own idea in) the candyman represents fear (maybe at one point giving/compassion). Three characters for all of Halloween, Sam is a grump who likes being alone but entertains Jacks tricks bringing the mischief that inspires him while the Candy man used to have Jacks place at Sams side but took the pranks too far. The guardians don’t trust him or Jack because they originally saw no harm in pich but after him and Candyman started going too far, harming children instead of giving them a good scare before showing them there’s nothing to fear, he caste them out. At first the movie would have the guardians assume Stingy Jack was responsible for childrens fear but then Jack (as in frost) learns from Sam he used to have a different assistant, Candyman. Candyman used to bring smiles to children with Stingy Jack but grew jealous of the attention his younger counterpart got and plotted against him, maybe even revealing the real Sam was taken prisoner by Candyman and Candyman is now posing as him.
This sounds like such an amazing idea for a Halloween movie! The ultimate trick with the treat! @@blaquerose121
This is a folklore I've never heard. Although it made me think if Sam from Trick'r'Treat is named after this guy. The idea is fantastic! Hell you can even make a joke about Halloween and Christmas both being about creating (nudge nudge Nightmare Before Christmas nudge nudge),it'd be an interesting plot!
Maybe, in this sequel pitch Sam could be painted as that nice character.
There’s literally so many folklore characters you can use. Father Time, Mother Nature, Mother Goose, Old Man Winter, Jack O’ Lantern, as you said, Cupid, Leprechaun. Heck, you can even pull an Eternals and have characters based on various real-world mythologies like Greek, Norse, Egyptian, Celtic, etc. and explain that the depictions of them in those religions were based on the ROTG counterparts. The possibilities are endless. Come on, Dreamworks! Make the people happy!
Father Time, Mother Goose, and Mother Nature are actually in the books’ I would honestly love a tv show that fits elements of the books into the movie universe
Fun fact, Mother Nature is Pitch’s long lost daughter
@@chylcody7804 I think Mother Goose was Jack's GF before he became Jack Frost
@ yeah, pretty much. When he was Night Light.
How about Lady Luck?
Grim Reaper would be fascinating
Honestly though... Having your main lead be named "Jack" while having to work with a character with the same first name would allow for some REALLY interesting character foils.
"JACK!"
"What?"
"NOT YOU, HIM!"
"I am not Jack! ...my name is Lewis."
Imagine every character named Jack just meeting each other... Jack Sparrow, Jack Skellington, Jack Frost (all of them), Jack Horner, and even Stinky Jack. That would be hilarious.
@TANGL3_BURR Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk too. XD
@@lasercraft32 Oh yeah! Him too!
If we go with the Halloween theme, the moral should be that fear is not evil.
The center of the Lantern (as he will be called to avoid confusion) would be fear, just like Pitch. However, while Pitch uses fear to abuse people, Lantern uses fear to educate people. Lantern's job is to make kids scared so that they don't make irresponsible decisions. Pitch had that job in the past but let the power go to his head.
Because of their battle with fear in the previous movie, this would require some major contemplation on the heroes' part. The other guardians being old would be obstinate but Jack being the new guy would see things with fresh eyes.
The theme of the story would be that fear is not some sort of illness that needs to be cured but rather a natural and at times healthy part of human nature.
Perhaps the disaster you spoke of could be that without pitch kids aren't scared anymore so they are now doing dangerous things. And without fear keeping them rational they may end up killing themselves.
Fear could haves saved jacks own life as being fearful may have made him not decide to skate on the weak ice
This is SUCH a good idea
Agreed
Truly one of the most underrated DreamWorks films *ever,* and the Halloween is a great concept as it’s almost as popular as Christmas. 😅
I feel like the two Jacks thing would actually be a pretty fun running gag. Maybe they could acknowledge just how many Jacks there are in fairytales and myths.
One could say the name “jack” is used as a jack of all trades catch all.
For a twist villain, I'd personally do Baba Yaga (from Slavic folklore). You can/could play her up as a seemingly nice grandma character but with sinister motives or actions when eyes aren't on her. You could make the plot like there's a bunch of children are going missing. The guardians suspect Jack 'O Lantern & all things point to him. But through Jack Frost & deeper investigations by the other guardians, it's revealed that Baba Yaga is responsible. Her motive? Paint herself as a good-natured figure in hopes of being chosen by the "man in the moon" as the next guardian. I'd think that Jack 'O Lantern would be chosen because at the end of the day/story/plot, he shows that he has his own personal code or lines that even he wouldn't cross, i.e. messing/tricking/eating children.
I think an interesting idea could be he was a very... unwanted child, having envy of every other child when he was young.
So what you do is have him be the obvious suspect, but have it be revealed her tricks and messes with children to make them laugh, to be happy. Because Lantern wouldn't want a child to grow up like himself.
@@bradwalls8656 that's cool I like the idea for the movie villain it's going to be krampus
I love this idea and to expand on it: I imagine Baba Yaga would be constantly "flirting" with Santa Claus, making comments like "I could just gobble you up." She might even dislike Jack because he's so skinny and she might make jokes about rabbit stew with the Easter Bunny. They might even connect her a bit to the Hansel and Gretel story with her giving out treats to fatten up children so she can eat them (really dark, I grant you that).
I contrast, Jack-o-lantern might explore the theme of "healthy fear," and even encourage a sort of "don't talk to strangers, much less accept candy from them." There's a lot you could to with the idea that the traditional purpose of a jack-o-lantern is the same as a gargoyle, to be sort of a totem that scares away evil spirits. The other guardians might fall for her tricks, and it's up to Jack to scare Baba Yaga away from the children. You could do a lot to explore the idea that "scary" doesn't mean bad, especially when it scares away something evil.
Also, total side note, I'd love if they had a character who is just "The Ferryman" with the idea that there are some places that childhood magic is not allowed to take you.
@@bradwalls8656 Anyone ever see the Anastasia spin off Bartok the magnificent? Baba Yaga was supposed to be the super scary kidnapper when the prince went missing.
I love the idea of a story that centers around the older guardians overcoming prejudice and preconceived biases.
There are so many opportunities for growth not only in the main cast overall, but Jack's connection to the older guardians as well. There is SO MUCH room for tasty drama and satisfying conflict resolution there.
7:19 I GOT SO EXTREMELY EXCITED WHEN YOU SAID STINGY JACK!! Every year my English teacher practically SHOVES that story into our brain and explains the story over and over again and (being from Ireland myself) would be a great way to explore more traditional sides of folklore (especially since Halloween ORIGINATED in Ireland so it makes sense!!).
Like just imagine the similarities between Jack and … Jack! They are both tricksters and people (or the guardians) try there best to avoid them, so it would be extremely interesting from a narrative view point for Jack (O’ lantern) to bring out Jack frosts more Chaotic side!!
I’ve dreamed up a ROTG TV series with new characters like mother goose, Father Time, April showers and May flowers.
I love your idea for a guardians sequel!
Personally for a sequel, I've always had the idea of another guardian being based on Valentines day (halloween, while amazing in design opportunities, seems too similar to pitch black) With another girl guardian being able to hear the inner voices of people (hearing their innermost wishes and desires). Valentina (I'm workshopping the name lol) is being called in because there has been an uprising of darkness and anxiety within not just children, but teenagers as well, so she would use her abilities to try and assist in finding the root of the darkness, only to find it's cause is more isolation due to the rise of technoology and how it's stopping people from connecting with others (symptoms which would be made worse by another character that thrives off feelings of anxiety and isolation). and the only way to assist with that would be to remind people of how to connect with the people around them and their inner child. I'll probably still write this as fanfiction, I'll keep you posted X3
If you do end up writing this as a fanfiction, please link it! I’d love to read this, it sounds like an awesome continuation to the franchise. If Valentina and Jack teamed up as the Guardians of love and fun, it would make sense their biggest adversary would be technology as it is today. Very good idea! :)
If they needed a new villain (since Pitch isn’t coming back anytime soon), this does open the possibility for a fun idea.
In the first movie Pitch was trying his best to get Jack to turn to the dark side, which begs the question… Has that happened before? A Guardian turning dark?
It’s not mentioned in the film, but the group seems to know a lot of other Guardian candidates (The Leprechaun, St. Roch, The Groundhog), so what if there have been Guardians that turned dark?
Some fun candidates would be Krampus (a little on the nose, I know), Father Time, Mother Nature, Stingy Jack (Jack’O Lantern), Uncle Sam, The April Fool and Baby New Year
Or maybe even a combination of the candidates who became incensed due to being passed over for other Guardians.
But you make an interesting case with Tech being the “antagonist” of this hypothetical sequel. For all the good that technological advancement has brought us, it has really desensitized us to the Wonder, Hope, Dreams, Memories and even Fun that living can give us. So watching the Guardians having to contend with an enemy that doesn’t exactly have a physical form, or maybe a more abstract form, would be an interesting challenge.
Heck, if you wanted to… Maybe our dependence on Tech and AI results in the birth of a new being. I can imagine their personality being like the New Gods (Media, Mr. World and Technical Boy) from American Gods.
I love this idea
She could just be Cupid!
A rise of the guardians tv show where they encounter different folklore characters every episode, sorta being like a monster of the week format, is the perfect direction this franchise could go
I think Rise of the Guardians is more likely to get an animated series in the future than a movie, but I still have hope. If either come into existence, there is a lot of potential with holiday themes and such.
having a tv show would be AMAZING!! idec i literally just want some kinda sequel
I would have liked them to explore a storyline that involves Jaime being Jack’s great something grandnephew… because he saved his sister…
That'll be great
That would be awesome, especially since I stand by that theory too
My thought for a sequel when I first watched the movie was :
Jack while doing his fun adventures and wandering discovers the antithesis of the guardian (possible named the the 'vilified') a group that exist as not the guardians of hope & joy but as the inducers of fear and corrections (who could include ancient guardians.
This "vilified" could be represented by :
Krampus (or another equivalent like Hans trap/ père fouettard) the twin brother at the opposite of Santa, he is well dressed like a proper business man and not like a Russian crime boss but stoic and less prone to joy compared to his brother.
The death reaper (classical representation or you could have fun with it)
Kelpies (or the other variants)
the idea is to have creatures that represent the various wrongs and fears children can have.
Jack realises that these guys aren't actually evil per say, they are given the harsh tasks of being the "evils" and fears children need to learn to survive.
Now there is huge tensions between the groups because of Pitch black (who was a bit from each group and caused troubles in both groups).
Some event happens (could be anything)
and this forces both the guardians and the "vilified" to work together resolving their differences.
and why not a little twist villain were the antagonist are actually a member from both groups who want to take over the world ( but only if it is written well).
Ooh I have an idea where either A. The main villain could be Krampus or B. The Headless Horseman could be an imposter for Stingy Jack which could lead into your character getting framed idea.
I was thinking headless horseman for Halloween too! And why couldn't potential guardians fight over who gets the position over a Holiday? Could there even be two guardians over one Holiday? There really are so many possibilities for the franchise.
While I don’t think Krampus should be the main villain, I still think he should make an appearance in a future rotg sequel
Jack is a surprisingly common name in these stories. Jack and Jill, Jack and the beanstalk, Jack O Lantern, jack jumped over the candle stick.
And kids are not dumb enough to confuse 2 characters named Jack. So, a Halloween sequel with a pumpkin Jack that is about scarring kids in fun ways as the new protagonist can be great for a twist villain. How about Cupid a love base character that so nobody would really suspect him to be a villain.
I really enjoyed the Rise of the Guardians. I really wish there was a sequel for it
I also really enjoyed Megamind.
Really wish their wasn't a sequel for it. I'm short, be careful what you wish for.
Such a neat concept! RotG absolutely deserved to become a franchise - endless possibilities, world building and characters (new and old) to explore… I’m, very unfortunately, terribly optimistic that someday *something* will come.
You can have the villain be a stereo typical pilgrim who seems nice and thankful, but then reveals his colors of being ruthless glutton inspired by Christopher Columbus
Nice!!!! I ❤ your idea!
Rise of the Guardians has been one of my favourite Dreamworks-movies for years. I still want a sequel. Or at leat a bunch of fun shorts, each depicting a fun way of Jack trying to bust into North's workshopp & the yetis stopping him every time.
My idea:
The Guardian is The Headless Horseman, and the villain is BABA YAGA. The whole fear conflict is there, and the villain is even more evil and threatening than Pitch ever was. I think it could work.
Regarding a nice holiday character that would make a great twist villain, I think the Leprechaun fits the bill perfectly. Well known enough to be an "obvious pick" for the guardians and is generally depicted as a whimsical little guy, but mischievous enough in his own folklore to act villainously. He would be a perfect counter for this Jack-o'-lantern guy as they are both Irish and both are judged at first sight with Jack judged as a monster and the leprechaun as a light-hearted lucky charms mascot. And his mischievousness can easily be hidden behind the fact that Jack Frost was also mischievous when he started so the guardians feel more willing to give the leprechaun the same chance. One witch this devious little rascal can easily take advantage of.
This is what I’ve been screaming for YEARS ever since I became a fan of this movie!! I need more content for ROTG!!! Recently, all you see now are remakes, but ROTG is just sitting there BEGGING for a sequel or even a TV show. There’s so much you can explore with this franchise, and Dreamworks refuses to do anything with it. I can understand why, but at the same time, take a little risk and do something with it! I honestly agree that a TV show would be the better way to go. Think of the Tangled Series, you have multiple episodes to cover different storylines and develop different characters. You can also explore character relationships, especially Jack’s relationships with each of the other Guardians. You can easily release it on a streaming service without so much as a risk of it not making the big bucks a movie would. Just…UGH! Come on, Dreamworks! I know it’s not likely, but hey, it took 14 years for an Incredibles sequel. Who knows? We might be surprised one day.
I think for the sequel of were thinking of Villains we've gotta do Krampus
Exactly!!!!❤
I feal like a sequel should focus on the consequences of getting rid of pitch since fear is something that usually protects kids from danger, it keeps us alive. jack probably wouldn't have died if him and his sister had been too scared to go on the ice in the first place so clearly pitch wasn't doing his job properly and since the whole thing of being a guardian is about protecting kids I think there a lot you could do with this kind of storyline
Ah, *Rise of The Guardians* , the cinematic jewel that has been a wonderful resident in my head since the day I first saw it.
The sequel does sound interesting as it would be an interesting looks at the similarities and contrasts between Jack Frost and Jack O' Lantern as both are mischievous tricksters but with different motives, one innocent fun and the other not-so-innocent fun.
Although, they could include a second Halloween character called *Trick O' Treat* who could be the more positive version of *Jack O' Lantern* or once upon a time was close to Jack O' Lantern but things fell through and Jack O' Lantern is now causing chaos and possibly trying to destroy Jack Frost's reputation with his tricks.
Jack O' Lantern being a trickster could have the ability to change part of his appearance to look like Jack Frost which would play more on how people mistaken Jack O' Lantern for Jack Frost.
However, the spirit Trick O' Treat could be the one helping prove Jack's innocence and exposing Jack O' Lantern's tricks and helping uncover why Jack O' Lantern who once close to Trick O' Treat suddenly turned so bad.
The sequel could look into the spirit figures that represent Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
So while Jack O' Lantern may be causing havoc, he might not be the only one and another dark figure could be at work too with him like maybe *Krampus* or another figure.
It could maybe even be a new spirit as a villain who is not connected to any known lore but in a way connected to factors of the lore like maybe a spirit connected to the Grimm Reaper who no longer wants to maintain balance or a spirit connected to monsters like the Wendigos who wants to bring true terror.
The reason that these antagonistic spirits are rising now could be that when Pitch Black, the Nightmare King, was on top, him being on top was what kept these other spirits at bay but now that he's not there, they're all coming out of the cracks.
This could set the stage for a third movie with Pitch Black's return and possible redemption after the heroes have temporarily defeated the sequel's new villain but kicks off the third villain.
The third movie could have Pitch's return to either work with the new villain or help the heroes defeat the new villain who is more dangerous than anticipated.
This could bring the understanding that Pitch's element of Fear is not bad but is what created the essence of caution and protection, something that the other guardians' elements can't quite do because their elements essentially encourage cancelling out fear but not truly understanding the importance of it which might be what Pitch is about as while he is responsible for fear, he is also responsible for people being cautious of what could harm them which is his own way to protect from harm.
Honestly, I'm still waiting for the day that they announce that they are giving Rise of the Guardians a sequel, triquel and a TV Show.
@@suenicole8979 yeah those are pretty cool they should add krampus imagine what their story between Santa and krampus
Love the idea of two Jacks, as this gives a great chance for Frost to observe his own arc from the last film from a new perspective. I can see him getting upset about the way the “other Jack” is being viewed and going out of his way to stand up for them.
I will say, if a Halloween character is used to be very careful not to vilify them. Halloween already struggles as a Holiday thanks to “Christmas creep” and it’d be way too easy to just make “fear bad” the simple message. If you go into the idea of centers, O’Lantern’s could be “courage”, since his fear based antics could be focused on encouraging kids to be brave or take ownership of the things that scare them or just plain have the guts to BE what they want to be, if only for just one night. I think that’s a positive message that needs to be seen and understood a lot better than it is.
I mean, playing into the idea of this being a Rise of The Guardians 2, the full title could be, 'Rise of The Guardians: Tale of 2 Jacks.'
I've actually thought about this a lot. Including how to clean up Stingy Jack's character. In both cases of tricking the devil, he uses a cross that he carved. One he whitled in his pocket for when the devil was a coin, and the other etched into the base of the apple tree. This idea of being a carver/wittler could then play into the biggest aspect of Halloween: Costumes.
Back when he was a normal human, Stingy Jack would've been disliked for his tricky and prankster nature, always scaring people. But, when the veil between the human a spirit real was at its weakest (Oct 31st) and spirits began flooding into our world, Jack would spring into action. Carving faces into pumpkins and handing out his hand-made masks to help people scare off the spirits, marking him as someone worthy of becoming a guardian by The Man in The Moon.
idea for jack (Stingy jack) design wise at least. Make him a dulluhan. Basically like a centaur with a detachable head (like a headless horseman) and a spine as a whip. Not only would that be badass, a memorable design fit for halloween, maybe he could use his pumpkin head as the lamp
(maybe have a joke where he grumbles why do they always think it's a turnip, he's much more sophisticated than a root veggie)
His centaur body and whip could make the guardians even more apprehensive since he has a big scary weapon and their trauma relating to Pitch's nightmare horses.
He could relate to Jack (Frost) in how sometimes a little fear can be fun and the guardians all call him 'Stinge' for the whole movie until they trust him and call him something else idk what though
I love this movie and i love the idea for Jack O'Lantern beign the main villain. I think Krampus could also fit into the Rise of the Guardians universe maybe as the 3rd movie villain.
Rise of the Guardians 2 now that would be great to see, I haven't seen the movie for a while now but I still like it. But u know it wouldn't be a bad idea for Dreamworks to maybe get back into this world and expand upon it with other holidays or any folklore characters. Honestly a huge opportunity with this world just very surprised there isn't any show or shorts or anything related to it at all but I'm hoping that maybe we might see the rise of this frachise eventually be reintroduced to everyone and become successful. But who knows will it, wont it happen is anyone's guess but it does deserve more love and care.
Im glad this film wasnt forgotten. It was a big part of my childhood.
Ok to go off your concept, I would have stingy jack be kinda like the overseer of Halloween and protect people, in real life Halloween was supposed to be the one night that the spirit realm and mortal realm connect (i saw this somewhere but i don’t know if this is accurate) so I say we play into that and have the main cast capture stingy jack a few days before Halloween and then we get the split with the guardians, in the mean time I say we introduce baba yaga a character that is trying to blend the spirit realm and mortal realm together causing a lot of trouble, and without stingy jack she is able to do so.
I say baba yaga because like you said we can use a character who looks nice but actually be bad, and the reason I want stingy jack to be the overseer of Halloween is because in his story he tricked the devil to stall time so maybe he can trick other spirits to not enter the mortal realm.
Another possible villain could be Krampus. Maybe the Guardians defetes him before and now Pitch do some manipulation to make Krampus attack children again.
I know there are many chrismas based movies and with Krampus it would be another, but it is just a thought.
I am still begging Dreamworks every chanse I get for them to allowe Peter Ramsey and his team to make sequels. Mr Ramsey has said it himself that he would make a sequel if Dreamworks let him.
One of my favorite Dreamworks films. Even if I don't really vibe with them now, I'd definitely watch a sequel to ROTG (assuming the same cast returns).
We will keep asking for a sequel and not give up
I do know from the books Pitch’s daughter is a supernatural being like the guardians. So she could have a role in a sequel
I have mixed feelings. While it's been a long while since I've seen the movie, I remember coming home and making a recording of myself talking about awe and wonder. I needed to express myself aloud about it. And how I wanted to give people that same feeling I felt somehow, someday. I would love to feel more of that. In this setting, even. But I also am tired of sequels and remakes. And while I'd watch a sequel to this in a heartbeat, I also look at what they did to Megamind. Would they destroy this as well? Is not having more a blessing?
I'm currently dealing with grief over multiple things, including the death of my dad. The world seems really bleak. But I think I'll rewatch this. Thank you for making this video and reminding me of it. I need some *hope.*
This movie constantly makes my inner child squeal with joy, especially watching other people reacting to it and clearly feeling the same thing
If there was a Rise of the Guardians sequel, I hope they don't mess it up like Megamind 2
I've always thought introducing the halloween Jack was the ideal followup to RotG. Not even as a villain or twist villain, but just as a character who is a consistent thorn in winter Jack's side. Another trickster who finds the guardian roll something that would dull a trickster's spirit.
YES YES YES! i love your ides
Jack O Lantern would make a great assumed villain turned hero.
He is similar enough to pitch black except the thing is that kids really love Halloween and love it spooky creepy aesthetic. Yes, it’s scary, but that’s the point! Similar to that Halloween special of My Little Pony with princess Luna/the nightmare!
I like the villain idea, however, I don't think the jack thing would get by, but, there is a fix, using the idea you have, I believe there's a way this can work and all you have to do is switch stingy Jack out with Sam Hein and make the "spooky for spookies sake" character the headless horsemen, and just have him say he scared Ichibod off to another state
a series would be cool or special with Santa meeting the christmas witch or other people who do his job around the world
could be set in the past and in the end all combine under Santa to build up his huge crew from the first movie
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Also a show would be so goated cause they can explore a different holiday/folklore each episode and it can also be like educational too if they want
You could also have our Pumpkin headed Jack be in relation to the events of the Story of Sleepy Hollow.
But have his folklore event be that he agreed to prank the locals of the town, only to find he accidentally scared a person to death (a certain man named Crane from the story) and after trying to remove his costume, finds that he can no longer remove it. And the Pumpkin on his head has actually become his real head
I hope if a sequel or a show is made out, it doesnt fail like Megamind.
I agree with putting other holiday or season (like fall, spring or even summer) characters, and some of the other guardians from the book series like Mother Earth, or Mother Goose. This story has sooooo much potential, it’s sad how Dreamworks keep making sequels for the same five trilogies (Shrek, How to Train your Dragon, Trolls, Madagascar and Kung Fu Panda). Don’t get me wrong all are great, and their newest movie The Wild Robot was well done. But it would be nice if they revisited some of their older films that still make an impression today (and still has a fan base). I believe that with good writing, a sequel would work wonders!
What if the plot is Jack Frost one day begins to randomly fade away slowly as if he were being forgotten. Due to this Jack becomes too weak to use his abilities, leaving the other guardians to have to find out what's the cause. The guardians search and use all their abilities to try and find out what's happening to Jack, even tracking the whereabouts of the boogeyman to ensure he isn't the cause. Anyways sandman would eventually find out through through one of the dreams he's traversing that another "guardian" is being conjured. Through little rumors and stories being spread on the playground a guardian named Headless Jack would come to be. Headless Jack would essentially be the spirit of halloween since it's one of the last seasons before the winter [Jack Frost and Santa's holiday time]. Since the name Jack is being used another way, the powers that are fading from Jack Frost are making Headless Jack stronger. Much like the first movie instead, Jack Frost isn't the one save the squad, it's the squad saving Jack Frost. Idk I'm high 💯
I haven't been this happy with a random RUclips algorithm recommendation in ages. I just watched your "Greatest Tragedy" video on this movie and I'm so excited for this one. I couldn't agree more with everything you feel about RotG. I'm even 28 and while I remember feeling somewhat excited for it when the trailers were first releasing I only watched it for the first time in my 20s, years after its release and fully as an adult. I absolutely love it; It felt like finding a hidden gem. Thank you for feeding the neglected part of my heart and soul this movie sits in because there's no other media out there for it. You're a real one.
I'd love for a Rise of the Guardians sequel. As for a villain...to keep with Halloween and that being my favorite holiday anyway, I like the idea of Jack-o-Lantern being the villain. Slight difference though. He was chosen as a Guardian a long time ago, but due to disbelief by older folks who used to believe in him, as well as a twisting of what Halloween is meant to mean, he left the Guardians. Unlike Pitch who was never a Guardian in the first place, Jack left the Guardians of his own volition, but he made a promise before he did. He promised that he would never allow the Man in the Moon to choose a new Guardian to take his place. "Halloween is MY Holiday. If people want to fear me instead of rejoice, then I'll give them a reason to fear." Rather than helping to spread wonder and joy and laughter, Jack starts spreading fear. Like Pitch, but unlike Pitch he's already powerful during Halloween. Because people already have that fear. So he just uses that to make his "Halloween Monsters" realistic. Werewolves, vampires, witches... undead cheerleaders. He takes no joy in it because he's not really EVIL, he's just sorely misunderstood because of people changing. Cue Jack Frost and the Guardians teaching him that there are still people who love his holiday, times are just different and it's harder for people to fully enjoy Halloween.
I'd honestly love to see stingy jack be used in a film like rise of the gaurdians it would just be perfect. I love your idea but another option could be that stingy jack forms his own team of dark folklore characters to combat the gaurdians, like krampus to oppose santa or lycaon the wolf king to combat the easter family for example
I think you’re good guy fake out character could be the embodiment of Valentine’s Day. Maybe Cupid? That way you could play off of the preconceived notion of love always being good even though it has its dark sides
Honestly I'd like the idea of the Spirit of Halloween rising up as the next bad guy, mainly seeking to usurp the other holidays, feeling like his holiday isn't respected or appreciated as much anymore, even acting as a knock at how Christmas stuff is constantly put up well before December even rolls around.
We do need more Guardians! Thanks for the video. I loved it!
That would be cool if they add Cupid or Santa's evil counterpart Krampus. Maybe add mother nature and also we hadn't even seen Mrs Claus or for the Italians La Befana the Christmas witch an idea for a sequel the guardians solving the mystery of the disappearing children with the help with others like the leprechaun or the groundhog or a teenager who had the ability to see them and found out the children were kidnapped by the unseelie fae to turn the children into Fae since the FAE been around before the guardians the Battle of two courts the seelie and the unseelie court
Yass! Have Krampus make an appearance! ❤
Krampus feels like a great guardian, not a villain. But I love the idea of the cupid
I love this idea.
I honestly even just a remake I would watch 10 times.
I hope we get a sequel someday
And get a actual good sequel unlike Megamind 2 or what I like to call it Nevermind 2.
I love this idea, it has so much potential!
Fun Fact:Rise of the Guardinas was a succes in the end!Why only on VIDEO sales alone in ONLY 2 years it made over 200 million(The difference is unlike the theatrical the DVD sales come with 90 percent share for DW so in fact it was in the end a succes(Also this also doesnt account for money made from merch,licensing etc. so in the end the film was definitively in the red...
So it was more of a dissapointment at first rather that an outright flop(Bee Movie cost 150 an on theatrical only made 297...and was not labeled a flop or a writedown mainly due to dvd sales)and when it comes to sequels impressions of the previous movie matter a lot and thankfully rotg has a great reputation
An RotG sequel still is possible and has a fairly decent chance,plus Joyce,Ramsey and Del Toro have made it clear that they would love to make a sequel(I bethca during all these years they had plenty of time to plan out a continuation,that and DW is very good in sequels make me believe that a sequel is in good hands)....
All three of them are Oscar winners, so there is talent to make sure it will be a good sequel.
I’m right there with you man. It’s absurd that they have never made any kind of continuation at all since this film released.
Santa and the Guardians having to deal with Krampus would be fun
Alright, I'm gonna watch Rise Of The Guardians just because of this video, this sequal idea is goated
Krampus or Stingy Jack would be cool villains to feature in a potential sequel. Also the yule lads from icelandic folklore could be cool villains for a sequel.
Fun Fact: There is a rather successful series here on youtube (and lately on Amazon) who feels like the Rise of the Guardian with Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, teeth fairy, Sandman and the man on the moon.
The problem: It's a only german production with no verbal Translation.
For these who are interesteted the chanel is called Julien Bam and it's really good and high Quality.
8:50 I knew that joke would happen
I love Ryan George
Rise of the Guardians is my favorite Dreamworks movie and I am so sad we didn't get a sequel.
My suggestion is "in this theoretical movie, make cupid the twist villain"
If they had made a sequel to Rise of the Guardians, I think it would be cool if the second film introduced Cupid, and he would be a new member of the Guardians.
I love stingy Jack. All time favorite holiday character
I have an idea for the twisted villan...Cupid, hear me out, nobody would expect him to the twisted villan in the universe, so Jack O lantern would seem like the bad one, I can explain more if anyone want
Huh...i thought of a group of films a while back like this.
Only each one had a different villian for a different guardian.
Krampus to counter Santa, The Wild Hunt(Fae) to literally Hunt the Easter Bunny, Baba Yaga or Grimhild for Tooth Fairy(wanted a fairy vs witch angle),
Never could think of one for jack though.
I would love to see the continuation of this series
Krampus could also work as a Rise of the Guardians villain too, like a dark version of North, wanting to ruin Christmas for all kids
You could call Jack O' Lantern, "Jacque"
Man this movie is so wholesome it makes you feel like a kid again
I was even thinking why can’t the studio do a valentine theme girl Cupid who can spread all different forms of love in Rise of the Guardians 3 while handling her old best friend “April Fools” whose the antagonist spreading trickery left and right without any regard for anyone else.
The headless horseman would've worked in a ROTG Sequel
The nice guy should be saint Patrick, and he'd have leprechaun minions, because both him and stingy jack are irish and could argue, and he'd bond with the others by being a fairy like being, a saint, associated with greenery, AND have a very similar personality to sandman. Thats one for everyone except jack, who bonds with jack because mischievousness
you are right, Dreamwork should make rise of the guardians 2 and a series.
Honestly, the character dynamic of having Jack Frost, being wholesome winter fun and Jack lantern being the opposite side of the coin with prank Ing that’s a little more mean spirited or scare oriented could be fun. like people enjoy a good scare when they’re safe and it makes them wholesome fun more
Hear me out, St. Valentine as a villain in a Valentines Day themed movie
This movie is my holiday campaign every time I can do a one shot
6:56 What if Man in Moon made a new Guardian who was Pumpkin King, and the film was about old verses new, while keeping the idea that Guardians protect kids and help them overcome fears. Also, the idea of Turnip vs Pumpkin, as a symbolism of Old vs New, helps serve the motif.
There are various haunted figures of Autumn tales. The Headless Horseman, La Llorona/Jenny Greenteeth, Hyakki Yagyō, the Wild Hunt; there are many entities and nameless masses that can be used.
I always loved the idea of the Guardians facing off against Krampus or the Baba Yaga (who in this continuity would be Pitch’s mother). Or maybe they could have a series of trickster spirits from different folktales all compete for who becomes to mascot for April Fools?
To solve the Two Jacks problem you could just give Stingy Jack a nickname, like Stinge, from Stingy Jack, or Lant as short of the o’ lantern
The problem is, I really Really REALLY wish Rise of the Guardians had been a much better movie. It's supposedly about the "Guardian(s)" plural, but the bulk of the movie is just Jack, Jack, Jack, all over the place, with the other Guardians being either pushed aside or made to look like pansies, and the unpleasantness of the Boogie Man just constantly getting over on them at every possible opportunity until Jack gets to swoop in and save them all in the last 5 minutes. We needed a much longer runtime for this movie with more of a focus on the Guardians as a whole and who they are. I wanna see Santa Claus actually using those swords of his. I wanna see what tricks Bunny has up his sleeve and how he uses them in combat. I wanna see Tooth... do... something. ANYTHING. They seriously didn't flesh her out very well, AND, I wanna know who each of them were before in their previous lives, where Santa could have been the original St Nicholas, who was chosen for his generosity, and Sandman could have been an artist. Maybe a sculptor who stayed up at all hours of the night trying to perfect his creations. It just feels like a lot of missed opportunities, is all.
I would absolutely LOVE a Halloween-inspired ROTG sequel, especially with the amount of folklore in the world you've got to choose from! Maybe I'm biased because I also adore the trickster archetype, but The Stingy Jack character you've described here already lives in my heart. So many times I've seen tv shows in particular use the aesthetic of it and not really anything beyond that, but you really seem like you're serious about giving Jack-o some screentime and plot development. I'm also really vibing with the themes of judgement and profiling, as it's something that I find isn't really covered in media (especially kids' media) all that much. If you need me for a petition, I'll be here
Idk, I think the two Jacks could work... Just imagine;
🦷; Jack!
❄️; YES?!
🎃; YES?!
Jack vs Jack! Who would win?
"Jack slams."
"Nah, Jack negs Jack. It's not even close."
"Kids in the comments smh 🤦♂️ It's obviously Jack."
Jacklius, tooth siren, easter hunter/thug, krampus, empty darkness, mother nature, valentine, lucky
Honestly, a Rise of the Guardians Trilogy, if it had been done right, would've likely been on par with HTTYD, in my honest opinion. But alas... we may never know