Was Hannibal A Hero?
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Hannibal was a great general, but did he have what it takes to be a hero? Should we wish that ancient Carthage had beaten the might of Rome?
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Sir yes sir
Sir yes sir
Hannibal is overrated
more roman stuff pls sir
If Hannibal cant take on Russia then Ukraine is truly doomed. I hope you all got the hint.
I bet someone could make a graphic novel about this
It’s been made lol
And release it this century
@@richardcranium5329 when is it due out ??
@@tomhirons7475 Due? Like a few years ago, give or take.
Bet they could try at least...
Stating the obvious here, but 5% of the population means that one in twenty Roman citizens died at Cannae. Statistically, if you were a Roman citizen, if you hadn't been one of those who died, you probably personally knew at least 3 or 4 people who died at that battle. That's gonna mess you up mentally.
Specially when you consider who's actually fighting. It's not a lottery that selects people at random, it's mostly people from a specific demographic that go die in wars, so for survivors from that particular demograaphy the relative impact is even greater.
It's known Tolkien and Lewis were both WW1 survivors and (not so coincidentally) went on to become authors of great renown in Fantasy. But they weren't the only young people who, before the war, were interested in that genre and were in fact accompanied by many other prospective writers from the British universities' circles, most of which died there and never got the chance to write and find huge success like those 2 did. Similarly it's a macabre anecdote that the university of Istanbul took quite a few years to graduate its first medical doctor after the war even though students were allowed to resume studies where they had stopped, simply because almost every last student who had been enrolled in the medicine course when the war broke out died there ir were otherwise unable to resume studies, so the university needed to start everything from scratch again.
It's not just Rome though - there were Latin allies also fighting. Going by the population of the city-state, rather than the greater confederacy, is a bit misleading.
That 5% being estimated as 20% of the adult male population
Terrible, isn't it? It wasn't only Rome who blead, but also its allies. Lole Lindy showed, Rome and its allies had an incredibly deep manpower reserve and the willingness to keep going no matter the costs.
ruclips.net/video/yRPYYTiHmdk/видео.html
So basically, Hannibal was human? Flawd but brilliant, intelligent but violent, a soldiers general and his enemies worst nightmare. A hero to some and a villan to others... Just like every "hero" from antiquity?
You forgot to exclude King Arthur from that, but that was merely because you understood everyone would know you meant to.
Right ?.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 well apart from the tact that Arthur was al legend, and no one knows if the real man even existed, no o didn't forget to exclude him Arthur. He too was, if he ever took breath, human. And as such was flawed.
@@Buggsy1061 Ha , that sort of logic is fine for lessor men like Charlemagne and Washington, but you know perfectly well that you can't include Arthur in that group.
@uncletiggermclaren7592 Keep our first president out yo mouff. George was the first man to rule the best country on earth. Keep your Hannibals and Arthur's we don't need them because we had G'd up Washington.
@@sidtheslothwhy8706 Well, enough people spoke well of the man at the time, even nominal "enemies" called him a Gentleman and the soul of Probity. I will grant you he was a Good man.
But he was no King Arthur.
We got an hour long lindybeige history video. We are so back
Are you a drainer?
@@olleolaussonI've got a 30' snake...
@@ramixnudles7958 Almost everyone I meet says that you are a pathological liar so I don't think so.
@@olleolausson I'll nevertheless fix your drain. I will charge extra, and I will wear my extra-large plumber's jeans.
@@olleolaussonu drane u gane
Now this is the kind of content I absolutely want to watch.
It would even be a great idea for a graphic novel.
Yes, it feels like eons since he's done content like this
You’re right! This is what YT is supposed to be
I've skipped most of Lloyd's recent content if I'm honest.
This is why I'm here.
@@jaymz6473 I've watched all his stuff ever since he made points about slings and Greek helmets, except for the Q&A videos.
I'd certainly like to see more of these hour long lectures from him.
while i do think some of his decisions were quite Graphic, you cant underestimate his Novel tactics
Your words are quite illustrating
The way you describe it, I can almost see it with my mind eye. It's comical how clear you make it.
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I was wondering why my wallet felt so light while watching this video.
Please don’t mention the war
you really Kickstarted my brain with this one
As someone who measures heroes purely on their ability to march elephants over the alps: I'd say he's up there with the best of them.
He's a hero in the old Greek sense. His story and the drama around him are awe-striking. With the many years past what he did, it's one of those things where you can sit and read about the guy and get pulled in. And him being a complicated or dangerous man doesn't matter in the older sense. Heracles was completely terrifying in the og mythology.
Heroes are fun because they're as good as fiction to us. Actually having yoir own real life caught up in the actions of people who go down in history probably feels a whole lot worse.
My thoughts exactly.
I deeply agree.
yeah in a Greek sense it makes sense but modern view, ah hell no, the wars he started for revenge are just nuts, and its not like "they killed my family" revenge, its petty "they gave us a harsh treaty" revenge after we had a war with them
@@svon1errr, petty?? Rome practically went to war and conquered the whole known world.. Hannibal had to go to war with Rome.. For eventually Rome would have brought the war themselves..Rome was a pure military state.
Finally some of his good old fashioned content!!!
it has also been a while since we have seen a Lindy dance on this channel.
I suppose my "search of Hannibal" content has finally come to an end... for now
I swear that's exactly what I thought
Poor Hannibal, he was just trying to destroy Rome is all.
Yeah. Those damn Romans sure hated fun, didn't they?
Victim then?
That's exactly what makes him a hero.
Good riddance! What have the Romans ever done for us?
@@SuperFranzs the aqueducts?
3:24 "You've got to pay your mercenaries, everyone" best advice I've heard today 🤣
Russia: hold my vodka, where are my exploitable minorities?
FINALLY Lloyd again uploads an hour of historical spergery that we all know and love him for
These are his best videos. Nothing better than an hour long rambling on a subject.
I knew him for 7-10 minute long videos about "A point about" and weird rants about children smoking and saying no to a dance.
So basically, this can be distilled as "he's not a heroic figure because he lost in the end." But that just makes his story seem tragic, almost romantic. I'm not sure if this thesis holds up. You could argue any heroic figure fails in the end because all glory is fleeting.
Finally a long form Lloyd
He is a rather clever man though. His short form is very compelling too.
George Lloyd
@@Alfenium what did you mean by this...
I love me long form Lloyd
Finally a long from Lloyd? That's what she said?
"Written by an actual human" I can't believe that this has become a necessary qualifier 😭
Verbs are dead
Welcome to the Information Apocalypse. In a very short time, you won't be able to trust ANYTHING you see in the media, or online in general. Unless you see it in real life, you simply won't be able to trust it. Pandora's Box has been opened, and there's no shutting it.
We are in the future, but it turns out that the future is awful.
How do we know your comment was written by a human? Or this one?
Dont know if I would call him a hero, especially after learning that he ate the liver of that census taker with fava beans and a nice chianti
its pronounced chianti
Silly that's the wrong Hanibal, He was actually the leader of the A team, 😂
maybe if it was a Malbec
These are the videos I follow this channel for!
Long, rambly video of a historian about a historical topic based on facts with a ting of personal inputs. Thank you for uploading again, Lindy.
+1
50:48 This is something that really bothers me in movies and *especially* video games. In action movies/most games we often have the attitude that only important characters count as real people.
I especially hate when games have you kill an army's worth of soldiers/security guards/"thugs" for token gameplay then present you a "moral" choice about what to do with the boss who's actually responsible. Can you imagine if your boss was secretly a child trafficker or something and some action man kicked down the door, shot you and all your coworkers, cornered your boss, then had the gall to say, "no, this isn't justice, I'm not a murderer, I have to bring you in."
Like any of the batman games. The shit he does to the gaurds would definitely kill them, but taking out joker to save a bunch of lives is too far.
@@lukasg4807davros calling the Dr for genocide when that was the pure intention of the darleks.
Serves us right for working for a bad guy. I mean, come on, obviously we all know what happens in the lives of people we work with.
@@Marwolaeth01 Come now... Most ALL workers find themselves employed out of necessity and not want. Only a small percentage of humans have a career they want.
@@lukasg4807 Well, bruce is a crazy nutjob at times
I didn't expect you to have the nerve to publicly utter the name "hannibal" until your book comes out
He really should communicate the progress a bit more, but you guys are really impatient
@@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873are you joking?
It was slated to come out mid 2017.
F**k, it's THAT bad?!
And that much time has gone by?
Okay, fair enough guys. 7 years is plenty for a little bit of impatience
literally lay off though, he may have very little influence on when it is published at this point and have no new info to provide
Where is the VOTE ?
Perhaps a hero is needed for finding this "vote here" post he refers to - I can't see it yet, at time of writing this reply.
'Twas a ruse on Sir Lindybeige's part methinks....
maybe the real vote is in our hearts
It got buried down the list by the downvotes: ruclips.net/video/9K_BQQ1M950/видео.html&lc=UgzViag4YOT26hL65SB4AaABAg
You have to copy/paste the link because yt chops it. Or just scroll down long enough and find it that way
One of my favorite -- if gruesome -- passages from "Ghosts of Cannae":
"By way of approximation we can consider each Roman weighed 130 pounds-they were lighter than modern men. Then there would have been well in excess of *six million pounds of human meat* left to rot in the August sun-the true fruits of Hannibal’s tactical masterpiece, at least for an air force of vultures."
O'Connell, Robert L.. The Ghosts of Cannae: Hannibal and the Darkest Hour of the Roman Republic (p. 222). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
really? that is so low. average american male weighs 197,9 pounds. which is over half more than the Romans weighed.
@@tj-co9go People who eat all grain diets without quality proteins do not grow tall.
@@tj-co9go If I remember correctly the average US service man weighed in at about 150 lbs.
@@tj-co9go You can't compare average weight of an overweight inactive nation to infantry soldiers. Compared to their physical training regime look up SF soldiers and most have a very lean built as that is the most helpful on the battlefield. Also romans were quite shorter. They were around 165-170 in height. 130lbs at 165 is a very fit healthy weight with an BMI of around 21
Where is your graphic novel that you told a 17 year old version of me it would be out next year!?! I’m 24 now!
I’m ‘in search’ of all graphic novel comments
@@sassenspeyghel4155 not exactly cause they didnt pay in advance lol
@@joek600Some actually think they did by buying the first books...
@@joek600 oh wanna bet?
15 years at war, in enemy territory, being able to maintain that size and diverse of an army, and winning is freaking insane
So basically nomad roaming around and taking stuff. Mongols did it with army twice as big.
Hero or not, it seems a very impressive feat… capable as he clearly was, he didn’t do this alone.
To me it seems this topic is dripping with that old, outdated and disproven “great man” idea…
That would imply there's heroism in killing. All of that is astounding and difficult to achieve, no doubt, but all it ever accomplished was hundreds of thousands lives cut short and many more carrying physical and emotional wounds they likely never fully recovered from.
@@tokul76But they weren't all mercenaries speaking 10+ different languages somehow efficiently fighting, communicating and staying loyal.
@@tokul76 you are overlooking many things such as him being outnumbered over 2:1, and his enemy was Rome, not a bunch of smaller states like the Mongols mostly faced
I'll be buying the graphic novel as soon as it is released. I've been following you for years, and I can't wait to give some more back for all the entertainment you've given us.
Cheers Lindy.
What an original way to address the fascinating subject of the punic wars! Who needs Gladiator 2 : were you there? What we need is a series about the second Punic war! Or a comic book indeed!
Ah, yes. A battle of puns.....
Great video! 🤗 However, since you announced your novel, I started and finished 6th form, graduated from university, moved to Italy, worked there for a year, moved to Germany, and worked here for the past 2 years. Still no novel though. 😢😢😢
You capitalist whiner... "All to me at once" kind of attitude.
Yes. But have you conquered Italy yet? I think the illustrator needs some inspiration. Would you mind giving it a go?
@@thoughtsuponatime847 I'll try 😮💨😮💨😮💨
This is the only chanel for which I always 'look forward' to the sponsor section and I am never disappointed.
Campbell's hero journey:
1. Pick out specific style of story about coming of age
2. Bash some famous stories until they fit
3. Ignore all other heroic stories and myths
4. Profit!
And of course, the pagan ancient world was looking for heroes to be ancestors to whom one sacrificed and built altars. Or appeased because they might be angry.
It's also a genre of myth that teaches messages about how to overcome fears, become a man and seek greatness if you have the advantages to be able to do so. In that myths are always moral, theological and wisdom instruction packaged in story forms for ease of transmission, for the benefit of people who otherwise wouldn't listen.
I am glad you are still making such content Lloyd.
@28:30 Why did Hannibal do that out of respect for Marsellus? -Because... he URNED it.
😖
@@johnnyjolijt2
@@DrZip
Goddammit, Lloyd! You put a one-our video out the minute I'm going to bed? I guess I'll have to stay up now!
Me too😂
And me!😎
LONG time watcher, first time commenter: this is the type of topic I love to hear you discuss (history),and your views of it. It was what first drew me to your channel, and got me to subscribe. Please carry this on! Thank you! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
Looks like "Hannibal ad portas" means same thing in Latin and Italian. Suspected that in Lindy's world Italian mothers switch to Latin when stressed.
By 220 BCE Romans were encroaching on Spain and Barca's silver mines. He had plenty of reasons to go against them.
Romans violated the treaty. Saguntum was on Carthage's side of the line.
The audacity
He said he expects it to release this year, perhaps that caused him to make this video
@@CaptainBogroll
Fucking finally
Thank you Lindybeige for this marvelous effort. At your best. Please do more of these.
The literary hero is an ideal that very few real people live up to. This is why true heroes in fact are outstanding.
Generally 1 person's hero is another person's villian. It would greatly depend on whether you ask Carthage or Rome.
That's kinda the problem though, that we judge people by allegiance, not character, intentions and consequences.
A bit too simple perhaps. You could be from Carthage but think that Hannibal should be spending his money on the people and the state rather than pursuing a family vendetta...
@@willboucher5397 Yup. The Barcid family had many enemies in Carthage.
Alexander the Great, loved in the West, hated in the east and often described as having horns like a demon (probably reference to his helmet plumes)
@@willboucher5397 he was a general. He spent the money Carthage politicians allocated to him, and whatever he, as a private individual, had. You can recall that after Carthage stopped funding the war Hannibal’s campaign came to an end soon after.
It's a mystery to me why modern hollywood, or others in modern days, never made a movie about the hannibal and the fate of carthage and the phoenecians. This story, which really happened, is much more intense than gladiator or other "historical" hollywood movies like that imho
don't worry, they got you covered, get ready for black hannibal pretty soon...
@@John21WoW hahaha for sure. Perfect setup for the woke ideologic world view of white roman suppressors and the african victims. For sure Hannibal won't be historically accurate to transport their narrative like in every disney movie ever in the last years. That's why I'm wondering why they didn't do it yet xd
Three words: "dumb it down."
Hannibal without a doubt was the underdog when he keep on handing Rome there ass and still cant win the war and you loss one battle and it winds up with you losing the war. Your an underdog.
Love how you mention heroes having a mountain to climb and completely avoid his trip over the Alps at the start 😂 "this is what we call in the business, foreshadowing" - Count Dankula 😂
Thank you a thousand times! I started watching you when your fire arrow video came out. Your my favorite RUclipsr I miss the history. Again thanks!
love to see another long lecture!
I'm so early the video doesn't even have sound
Also the format is borked! It shows a 1:1 format
@@lilacheaven222 Strange. It plays fine for me.
@@lindybeige .. me as well.
Hero.😎
@@lindybeigeit's fixed now! I see I wasn't the only one experiencing the issue though
Love your hour long history lecture videos, Lindy. Great stuff.
Love your videos, Lindybeige!!! Videos like these have awakened in me a new love for history like no other, please continue with the amazingly interesting and informative content!
VOTE HERE
With this comment (and not the video itself), we can decide between us whether Hannibal was a hero or not. If you wish to register a vote in favour of Hannibal's being considered a hero, click the thumbs-up to 'like' this comment. If, on the other hand, you think that we should not consider him a hero, then click the thumbs-down icon on this comment to 'dislike' this comment. Note that this vote is not between 'hero' and 'villain' but is instead between 'hero' and simply 'not hero'.
Oh dear - well RUclips is not letting me how the number of dislikes, so this isn't working as I had hoped. I have set up a 'community poll' for this vote. I think that in order to vote, you have to subscribe. Would it be worth it? Only you can decide.
You could make a community poll. We can't see how many people voted "hero" vs "not hero" otherwise:(
are you able to see the amount of thumbs downs? and youll tell us?
All these factors to consider, and I'm still so unsure. I've read Livy and Polybius, and goodness knows how many other retellings and recapitulations of the punic wars, and every time I find myself rooting for him; and everybody I know personally who knows of the stories feels the same way. I do not know if he is a hero, but I can say for certain that he is the protagonist of the second punic war.
From what I’ve heard he was a fantastic leader and strategist, he might have even been a nice bloke, by the standards of the day, but I wouldn’t call him a hero. Too many people died for too little.
i vote for releasing the graphic novel. i only vaguely followed the whole thing due to beeing interested in the subject but not in graphic novels. so i was really surprised to see people in the comments saying it´s still not out. hasn´t it been almost a decade now? and then releasing a video about that topic and not even a word about the kickstarter? lol that´s hannibal levels of brazenness.
Brilliant Lloyd, back to the kind of video that made you so well loved. Keep 'em coming.
Great to have Lindy back! He has made far too few "Talking about history to the camera" videos this year.
I genuinely thought, that Hannibal was not a person, but rather a graphic novel...
A graphic novel that will never be finished . . .
Nothing better than an Lindy story
Finally! A long monologue just between you and the camera, just what I’ve been missing!
Thanks Mr. Beige
the humble hero turning out to be the special chosen one is a trope in modern media as well, how times change!
By 'bad things', he means they do a Number 6 (Blazing Saddles fans will recall).
Your videos are so easy to understand and follow, you explain things nicely that actually make sense, that’s why your my fav channel to both watch and listen.
Unless he's from the Hero region of Alexandria, he's just a sparkling good guy
This is the sort of content where you really shine Mr. Lindybeige. Thank you!
Hannibal reminds me of Saladin. As an Arab interested in European history, I find that Europeans have a admirable ability to add honorable or chivalrous enemies to their pantheon of cultural symbols, Hannibal and Saladin come to mind in this category. I struggle to find such examples of respected enemies looking back at Arab and Islamic history. There is a lot of respect for the courage and hardiness of the crusader soldiers in the histories, but no crusader leader is really a household name. The mongols are remembered with horror but not respected or admired.
Any videos on RUclips you'd recommend on Saladin mate?
Omg, never saw the parallels, but Hannibal and Saladin are so alike in some aspects. Well, they have major difference, as Saladin won the war...
@@Andrew-yl7lm the channel 'Kings and Generals' has a nice series of videos of the second and third crusades from both perspectives. Extra History has a nice series on Saladin as well.
That's interesting !
My first instinct would be to link it to the great value our successives societies have put on the act of war. You need everything you can to make war sexy.
But I'm very unsure about the status of war in the eastern world, compared to the western. Maybe it has nothing to do with it :')
Maybe it is a roman thing ? We have an occurence of the 'respectable enemy' trope with Caesar's conquest of the Gauls. He emphasized how the Celts were heroic combatants, to glorify his victory against them even more. I believe it was common practice in Rome. You justify your expenses to the senate, you augment your triumph, and you pave the way for the integration of these new roman provinces.
And if the roman did it, most of Europe was influenced by it.
I don't have any more clue tho. I'm curious about how it goes in your culture. Are there really no such examples ?
Probably because the early crusader leaders weren't known for being honorable lol. The latter ones generally dont get as much focus because most people read about the first and second crusades
Recently started binge watching the history series. Amazing to find a new one out right now! Wonderful stuff.
I had other plans this evening. They are ruined now as I’m going to sit here and enjoy hearing your opinion on Hannibal.
Lloyd if you say 'The graphic novel is almost finished!' once more I shall scream. Your teaser campaign is as long as Hannibals military campaign. Give us the date! Even better, give us the book!
I dunno, I thought he was particularly nasty in The Silence of the Lambs…
I haven't studied this topic well enough but the idea that the second punic war kickstarted the growth of the Romans is really interesting and worth of research. Thanks and great video Lindy
Something quite wrong with those casualty numbers as a percentage of population.
For the Battle of Towton, 11,000 dead out of a (actual) population of 3.3 million is 0.3%, not 1%.
For the figures of the Battle of Cannae, if 60,000 is the number dead and that were 5% of the population, that would mean the population of the Roman Republic was only 1.2 million. This is almost certainly an undercount.
The estimates that I've seen suggest 4 or 5 million people in Roman Italy at the time. Not to mention their other colonies.
So the actual casualty rate at Cannae is probably more like 1% to 1.5%.
Still more accurate than any modern politician, or Newsperson - nonetheless. (grin)
The most current estimates are around 1 million inhabitants at the height of the Roman Empire. Romans didn't even hold the whole of modern Italy back in -216. They had from Rome downwards, so perhaps 60% of modern Italy. The Romans lost 1/5th of their male population at Cannae, if we say 60-70,000. So that would be 700K inhabitants total.
@@lifeschoolooh I didn't suspect the population to be so scarse. Which territories does it take into account into the million ? The whole empire ?
Oh boy it must have been radically different to be so few on the planet.
@@lifeschool 1 million in Rome alone, you must certainly mean
When you guys used the words like population and inhabitants, do you mean roman citizens? Have you counted the slaves, whose population is a few times more than the citizen?
You actually believe the advice Hannibal gave to Antiochus was selfless and honorable? Hannibal intentionally destroyed the Seleucid Empire by consistently giving Antiochus terrible advice hoping he would start a war against the Romans.
How do you know it's intentional, and what would he gain from destroying the seleucids?
We are back with the hour long history lessons! I really missed those! With the risk of sounding like a spoiled brat: If I might be so bold and suggest to maybe also discuss Zama at some point (besides the one on if it happened). Thanks for the vid Lloyd, that will get me through monday.
Imagine fighting behind enemy lines for 15 years straight and still undefeated.
About time. Literally and figuratively.
I like this channel so much. Been watching it in and out for 4 years. I absolutely loved the earlier videos as much as the newer ones.
It's a real indictment of human nature that we treat people with good stories as good people.
(Edit: not a comment about Hannibal specifically. Alexander "the Great" on the other hand...)
I don't.
Great people understand sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good . There is no good or bad in war .
@@wookieboss2643Crug answer. What " greater good"
@@wookieboss2643 Anyone who thinks of war as a simple tool has long since lost all perspective in the struggle for ever more-corrupting power.
Alexander the Reasonably Adequate.
Long form history content from this man. How I've missed this.
What happened to that comic you were doing about the punic wars? I spent over 100$ 8+ years ago and i aint got shit.
I think Rome won
@@BlakedaBullbro spoilers. I haven’t gotten there yet
He’s still working on it
As I understand it, the script (lloyd's part) is complete. All that's left is for Mr. Chris Steineger to finish the illustration, and then publishing.
@@TheSparda81Wasn't he finishing it years ago?
Finally, another lengthy historical video from Lindybeige ! I love these.
Thanks!
Before Star Wars was released, George Lucas said that it was going to be inspired by Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. He only started talking about 'The Hero With A Thousand Faces' afterwards.
@@goodlookingcorpse Man had to make the american public interested first. Wasn't it around the same time he said a film only had some value if it was watched ? (I'm prbably quoting it wrong, and I'm asking the question for real.)
(Btw I like your name)
I can’t find the vote comment so I’ll put it here.
Yes, I would tentatively call him a hero. I generally don’t value war or generals in the ancient world. The Punic wars were an incredible waste of life. Carthage wasn’t in existential danger at the wars start so Hannibal wasn’t acting in defense. So Hannibal’s career choice doesn’t win him many points compared to a scientist, kindergarten teacher, fireman, doctor, ect.
But I would still call him a hero. He seems to possess all the qualities of one, had he be put in a situation where he was needed. If my country was under threat, Hannibal is precisely the sort of man I want to help.
i have two phones, i can hear the audio on one of them but not on the other
lloyd is my favorite youtuber ever man this is awesome
Welp save to watch later, I know what I'm listening to at work tomorrow
What's impressive about both Hannibal and Napoleon is that they're held up to the same heights as figures like Cyrus, Alexander, Ashoka, Qin Shi Huang, Caesar, Auralien, Theodoric, Khalid, Charlesmagne, Saladin, Ghengis, Nobunaga, etc despite ending their careers in failure. Alexander especially had the most going for him in terms of his father setting him up for total success, but his tactical and strategic brilliance are undeniable. His wasn't just Phillip II's privileged son, he was exceptional and he achieved his heights with a clear head start. Why are we so willing to accept the clearly biased sources in favor of Alexander and Caesar but dismiss similarly biased sources of other national heroes?
What happend to lindy who are you, why didn't this imposter go on an hour long tangent!( Great video thank you! )
Great video! Thanks for your hard work, Lyod. Have a great week, everyone.
The irony of promoting shortform in an hour long vide 😂
@@VEE727 hahahah
man is simple:
man see lindy video,
man checks length,
length is over an hour,
man is happy
Oh man I hope he posts a version of this with audio
That's what you get for turning on notifications.
I've had a few videos which start silent.
I restart and it works.
Yesssssss!! I've been waiting for history videos for years!
Lindybiege been the goat for 10 years
I've got pet goats, so I'm not sure that is a compliment.
Have you got any idea what a Billy does to attract the girls?
I needed this on a dreary Monday morning. Thank you!
Something I think is worth mentioning about Cannae: the methods. At Cannae, 60000 died to swords and spears. At the Somme it was done with machineguns, rifles, artillery and such. Can you imagine how *brutal* that must have been? How traumatic that may have been even for the victors?
@@SawedOffLaser I probably can get close enough with some effort but I know several vets who would tell me not to.
(And I mean close enough to get depressed and shocked. That would be just a fraction of what those people experienced. So, in short, my answer is no.)
Thank you, I needed a dry, pop and pragmatic take on the Barkas while we all have our Barkas at home
He also created such hatred that Rome went back later to crush Carthage.
in fairness, Rome kinda was in the crushing business. Take Corinth or any number of other states
I'd say that he created fear in Rome.
Lindy casually makes one hour lectures with no effort. What a teacher he could be
I'd say he accomplished some heroic deeds even of he wasn't too heroic himself.
I feel almost the opposite. It seems like he was a decent person (at least he doesn't seem to have been arrogant, greedy or spiteful) but he didn't really fight *for* anything we'd consider good today.
@@Robert399I'd question how someone willing to crush countless others for wealth and power wouldn't be greedy.
@@leonardomarquesbellini He was already extremely wealthy when he was born and didn't gain any more through the war, in fact he expended a huge amount of money.
In terms of power, idk. I suppose if he'd won he would've become more powerful but only through reputation and alliances. It doesn't seem like he wanted to conquer the lands he was fighting in (which almost any ruler would).
Only at the end of the novel is it revealed that the scrappy poor boy we've been following, Oliver Twist, is actually a middle class boy of good stock. Dickens wanted to have his cake and eat it too as well.
Oh my god finally a long-form Lindybiege history lecture. I feared we'd be doomed to 10 minute "questions nobody cares about" and three hour interviews over veterans of war who spend 90% of the time talking about their childhood.
Please. Lindy. Do not stray from your roots. Hours long history, yes. Deviations, no! You have so much more to cover than the book of questions.
-Start of the British professional army.
-Panzer IV
-Medieval merchants and their travels
-MK Ultra
-Napoleon after Egypt
-SAS after their first few missions
-SAS today
-WTF is the Sherman Comb?
-Cromwell development and war performance
-Archery development in England through the ages
-Caesar's ventures in Gaul
-WWI German submarines and their various campaigns
-The Emden
-Russo-Japanese War
-MI6 history
-Cold War spies
-Cold War 'whoopsies'
Here are just a few, off the top of my head!
The Calcutta Light Horse was by far your best video so far. I didn't even know they existed. I didn't know Goa existed! It inspired a whole three week long reading frenzy on a whole theater of war I'd never even considered before. More of that please.
I like to think i have a little knowledge of a lot of things. Then I get shown these large gaps by someone with a depth of knowledge and understanding that is just staggering. Thank you.
As Italian I say this: never underestimate the subtle and twisted brain of Italian people, we managed to survive decently on this peninsula surrounded by an ancient sea we insist to call "ours", since immemorial ages. That is, we have developed (perhaps by stealing it from our neighboring Greeks) a discreet art of living, what the French call savoir faire, which has taught us the concept that the more illustrious and powerful your enemy is, the greater the merit of having defeated him, that is the reason for which in Italy you can find many great scholars absolutely in love with Hannibal Barca and his glorious exploits. So yeah, Hannibal was a hero, a real damn hero, the best.
A side note as devote Ligurian follower from Janua: please consider that the name of the land North of Tuscany was/is Gallia Cisalpina and this means that we, the Cisalpine Gauls & the Ligurians I mean, were with Hannibal Barca at Trebbia river, at Cannae and Trasimeno lake! So we might even say that in these lands, the Esperia marshes I mean, actually we have a lot of very good "political" reasons to confirm that yeah actually Hannibal was really a .. cough! cough! .. nothing! Sorry! Please forgive me! .. ROMA VICTRIX!
What's really astonishing is how you guys went so long on that peninsula while being such abysmal sailors. It's always such a weird disconnect that Rome could be so powerful yet be defeated at the prospect of having to cross the English channel without losing half your men 😂.
@@lukasg4807 You don't even need to go that far, just look at the pathetic display of the Romans during the first Punic war.
@@lukasg4807 Yeah, you are right, bad sailors indeed, but .. in the end those damn little men, those bad sailors with their Montefortino helmets and those funny short swords called gladii, managed to cross the fucking channel and even with half the men they got the land, the land of the Britons I mean, but they did not stop, they got the land of the Transalpine Gauls, as the lands of the Greeks, and Africa, and Asia and they got the men as slaves, they got their women, they got their children, they got every damn thing they were able to put their hands on, and they did this century after century up to 476 AD, but all in all you know what actually impresses me the most? This: they managed to present this incredible mass murder, this robbery on tri-continental scale, this legalized armed robbery with no limits, this continued rape of men and entire civilizations lasted almost a millennium as the greatest achievement of European history! And this is the true Roman masterpiece, maybe a criminal one, but nevertheless a damn masterpiece.
@@elisabettamacghille4623 Their actual masterpiece was God's divine providence to lay the grounds for the spread of the gospel. Without Rome and Italians, without the French, the Spanish and the Portuguese, the world would be completely different.
Literally the easiest climate on earth in the past to survive and thrive on. (Italy-Mediterranean)
Hannibal climbed the alps without a Kickstarter campaign... most impressive
What's the difference between Leon and Bond?
The simple answer is: who they work for. They both apply the same skillset.
As far as hero or villain. It depends on point of view. To the soldiers he paid and kept alive for 15yrs behind enemy lines, he was definitely a hero. Maybe not to their wives but... Yet the Romans wouldn't have seen him as a hero, he was definitely a villain to them. And still is. The same goes for the Romans, Gauls, Celts, Britons. Hero and villain are relative terms that cannot be properly considered from only a backwards view. To me he was an excellent leader and the progenitor of modern guerrilla warfare, but since I've never met him (not likely to either, unless I get the time machine working!!) I couldn't say if he was a hero or a villain. The Italians in my family tree may think him a villain, but may also view him as a hero for taking on Rome as we were rebels from the start. As may the Germans, Gauls and Bretons there too!
True. The questions asked in the video are more interesting than the answers in yes or no.
I'm glad your family are rebels. Punk never die. Good luck with current days Italia :/
And I got recently quite traumatized by realizing the extent of brutality which got into the conquest of Gauls. It's impressive how the roman empire still lives on today in our modern western states.
@@lc1138 I'm Canadian, never been anywhere else but my name was created when we left Rome when Constantine was changing religions and writing the bible. It means 'The Rebellious Ones' now we're on all continents as the worlds largest gypsy clan.
@@darrinrebagliati5365 Wow. Congrats for the dispersion ! Do you manage to keep in touch with each other ?
@@lc1138 not really but my dad has gone to Italy and talked to others of our name! My line came here late 1800s, so instant communication wasn't a thing. And we started as a group of people 'fleeing taxes' and then were reabsorbed. When we did DNA testing, we came back as German. From where Germany and Italy meet. But if you look, there's a hospital with my last name on it in Rio.
@@darrinrebagliati5365 That's a very interesting story and I'm sure it would make for a real good book :D
Thank you for sharing, mate. Fare well !