o unico orgulho que tenho de ser brasileiro é que esses caras " Rodolfo Vieira, Xande Ribeiro" e outros feras como Saulo,Evangelista,cobrinha...também sao brasileiros.depois de Airton Senna meu orgulho é o bjj.
You might also note that the whole concept of the 'black belt' is an invention of Jigoro Kano's. There is no universal law that means that wearing a black-coloured obi has to mean you're an expert. At the Kodokan (where the 'kuro-obi' originated) achieving the level of shodan (1st degree Black belt) merely signifies proficiency. It's roughly equivalent to a BJJ blue belt. Have you ever studied judo? What level is your bjj out of interest?
Love to see the show of respect at the end of the match. These two men are top-tier competitors, both want to win so badly. Afterwards though, is time to show you are a man. Much admiration and respect.
@ericc2 I know that BJJ do includes Judo throws for BJJ, if you're telling me indirectly that BJJ's throws are as competent as Judo's is like saying Judokas should be dominating all these tournaments, if you're telling me that these 2 are not Judokas either that's wrong too, both of them are BJJers and Judokas, they have belts in both martial arts. But no, the Judokas dominate in Judo matches and the BJJ players dominate in these matches, my point is a cross training in Judo and BJJ will result in the BJJer with a stronger take down game. To perform throws like this requires a hell lot of training from Judo, there are many Judo throws in competition which aren't clean either, like drop throws etc etc. It's obvious Both of them cross trains in Judo. Have you watched Xande's video where he Randori with one of Tenri's best Judoka? The reason why both stand up because they know a good throw would get them ontop without having the hassle of passing guard, and this match proves it. That a combination of BJJ, Judo and whatever wrestling they cross trained results in this.
not really, seeing as jiu jitsu rules are formed around fighting on the ground. you have to hold your opponent there for the takedown to be counted as completed. otherwise you would have guys winning matches by taking their opponent down and letting him back up again for the points (not jiu jitsu).
good gosh..probably his white belt students that just joined the class and think they are his best friends..."Xande can i take your go home and wash it for you"?
I've been seeing a lot of stuff lately on the childish bjj judo debate... I take after shinya aoki in this debate... It's your jitsu... I go to a judo school but am a ne waza specialist... I like goin to events like Naga. I end up throwing people around and working ground.. ive been told I fight like a jj ka on the ground and its just what works for me.. but I have a judo stance. And do a lot of throws..
Great match. The proper winner is Xande, but the advantages were given out to liberally to Vieira in those throws. Anyone can see that 5 or 10 seconds more would have meant points for passing the guard for Xande. Still, great match, and my hat's off to both of them.
linda luta, a forma com que os dois lutaram foi ecepscional, porem, rodolfo ribeiro atualmente é na minha opnião o melhor lutador de jiu-jitsu que há :) ele se destaca entre os meus favoritos, que são: Ramon lemos, andré galvão, RODOLFO VIEIRA e não podendo faltar membros da familia gracie Rickson e mestre Helio Gracie.
Probably because nagewaza is way harder than newaza! I do both and there can be no doubt that learning ground-fighting is a lot easier and less frustrating than learning to throw. Plus it's hard to find good judo clubs outside Japan. And all that stuff about stalling and illegal grips is while true, doesn't mean jack. All the guys at my gym do that and I throw them around easily.
Funny people saying a judo black belt could easily throw these guys. THEY ARE BOTH JUDO BLACK BELTS. What you dont understand is that under BJJ rules, all the bullshit illegal gripping, posture and stalling rules of judo DO NOT APPLY. You can maintain illegal grips and a stalling posture all you want, making it much harder to throw anyone. You can initiate with leg attacks too. That changes the game dramatically.
decent judo for a bjj match, but I can't help but think that even a decent blackbelt in judo would have been able to throw either one of these guys without much trouble. I'm more kinda just surprised the match took that direction without one or the other pulling guard.
Well, i'm asking..don't they have grip, posture, no leg touching rules? Or..would a Judo player prefer to try and throw in a Bjj match instead so they don't violate some dumb rule? And then maybe hold the pin since their ground game isn't too advanced.
Yes, they are both judo black belts, but so am I. So what? Just because they are black belts, doesn't mean they're any good. Just watch Xande sparring with Takashi in preparation for this year's Worlds. You'll see the difference between good stand up and bad!
Nonsense. That's like saying BJJ had to "modify it's rules to make it work" by banning guard slamming. The rules don't "make it work" they just facilitate more interesting and safer matches.
It seems like Judo had to modify their martial art with rules to make it work then eh? Because in all practicality without rules, it would be harder to throw someone right? Sounds wack.
Excellent comments. Everyone I knew in judo who gave BJJ a real go, meaning more than just an occasional visit, never returned to regular judo training, myself included. I think most of us came to the same conclusion you wrote in your 100 percent-correct assessment.
tbh the claim is kind of meaningless if you turtle and end up giving up your back rather than accepting your guard got passed, like many competitors do.
Yes, there are such rules in Judo competition, which mainly exist to penalize passivity (note that passivity penalties also apply in BJJ). The leg touching rule is a very recent addition to IJF comp rules and only applies to direct attacks, not counters and combos. And yes, I think guys who are experienced in nagewaza and less expert in newaza will generally not pull guard in BJJ comps. Check out Koji Komuro and Dave and Dan Camarillo who all bring high-level judo into BJJ competitions.
I love their style of Jiujitsu: no guard pulling or playing the 50/50 position. Always start the fight standing up and trying to establish a dominant position by throwing and then go to the ground.
Watch with the sound OFF. You're welcome!
The Madness ur right
7:25 foi épico...
o unico orgulho que tenho de ser brasileiro é que esses caras " Rodolfo Vieira, Xande Ribeiro" e outros feras como Saulo,Evangelista,cobrinha...também sao brasileiros.depois de Airton Senna meu orgulho é o bjj.
Lets go shongee
que lutão, parabéns aos dois, pelo que o jiujitsu brasileiro esteja la fora agora, porque aqui no brasil não se da valor aos atletas....
10 more seconds and Xande would've had the points for passing. Damn.
Americano torcendo é uma m...kkkkk! Só..."Xandiii"...kkkkk
Brasileiro é o Rei da ginga mesmo!
You might also note that the whole concept of the 'black belt' is an invention of Jigoro Kano's. There is no universal law that means that wearing a black-coloured obi has to mean you're an expert. At the Kodokan (where the 'kuro-obi' originated) achieving the level of shodan (1st degree Black belt) merely signifies proficiency. It's roughly equivalent to a BJJ blue belt.
Have you ever studied judo? What level is your bjj out of interest?
Love to see the show of respect at the end of the match. These two men are top-tier competitors, both want to win so badly. Afterwards though, is time to show you are a man. Much admiration and respect.
Única coisa chata é a galera gritando Xandi o tempo todo véi kkkkk ! São 2 feras ae !
Good fight. Good throws. Nice stand up. This is where the cross training of Bjj and judo really shines.
salvo pelo gongo! show de luta!
I'm afraid Xande has the most annoying american fan club..
Great match its like judo I might try bjj
Que guerra fudida! Good match!
@ericc2 I know that BJJ do includes Judo throws for BJJ, if you're telling me indirectly that BJJ's throws are as competent as Judo's is like saying Judokas should be dominating all these tournaments, if you're telling me that these 2 are not Judokas either that's wrong too, both of them are BJJers and Judokas, they have belts in both martial arts. But no, the Judokas dominate in Judo matches and the BJJ players dominate in these matches, my point is a cross training in Judo and BJJ will result in the BJJer with a stronger take down game. To perform throws like this requires a hell lot of training from Judo, there are many Judo throws in competition which aren't clean either, like drop throws etc etc. It's obvious Both of them cross trains in Judo. Have you watched Xande's video where he Randori with one of Tenri's best Judoka? The reason why both stand up because they know a good throw would get them ontop without having the hassle of passing guard, and this match proves it. That a combination of BJJ, Judo and whatever wrestling they cross trained results in this.
Thank you
Roy Muk In my bjj gym we are training Judo and wrestling techniques.
not really, seeing as jiu jitsu rules are formed around fighting on the ground. you have to hold your opponent there for the takedown to be counted as completed. otherwise you would have guys winning matches by taking their opponent down and letting him back up again for the points (not jiu jitsu).
I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure the people near the cameraman were rooting for Xande Ribeiro...
Os dois estão de parabéns ! Uma verdadeira aula de jiu-jitsu, porém MAS UM MINUTINHO E O RODOLFO TAVA FRITO EM ! Mas, regra é regra !
para que ficar gritando feito umas estericas aplaudam e olhem ...nem postem videos assim mais em vez de luta, ouvimos gritos..
+anderson paulo ribeiro só baixa o volume!
i want to see Rodolfo vs Roger Gracie it would be an epic fight
7 years later, and still no match-up between the two. What a loss for the world.
2020.... acho q foi umas das lutas mais duras do Rodolfo
Dois monstros ..
good gosh..probably his white belt students that just joined the class and think they are his best friends..."Xande can i take your go home and wash it for you"?
I've been seeing a lot of stuff lately on the childish bjj judo debate... I take after shinya aoki in this debate... It's your jitsu... I go to a judo school but am a ne waza specialist... I like goin to events like Naga. I end up throwing people around and working ground.. ive been told I fight like a jj ka on the ground and its just what works for me.. but I have a judo stance. And do a lot of throws..
Great match. The proper winner is Xande, but the advantages were given out to liberally to Vieira in those throws. Anyone can see that 5 or 10 seconds more would have meant points for passing the guard for Xande.
Still, great match, and my hat's off to both of them.
2 Monstros
AND he DID get an advantage point for every take down.
EAH, YEHA, AYEHA, YEAH, SHONJI, SHONJI, AYEAH, SHONJI.
Camerman
linda luta, a forma com que os dois lutaram foi ecepscional, porem, rodolfo ribeiro atualmente é na minha opnião o melhor lutador de jiu-jitsu que há :) ele se destaca entre os meus favoritos, que são: Ramon lemos, andré galvão, RODOLFO VIEIRA e não podendo faltar membros da familia gracie Rickson e mestre Helio Gracie.
Cara que giro foi aquele 7:01-7:04 Tenho que aprender JJ show demais!
Muito boa luta! Cheia do básico e essencial.
Xande has high level judo, he beat Roger largely rely on his Judo.
Lets go Shawn Gee!
I do Jiu Jitsu myself not Judo, but go watch Xande's Randori (sparring) at bjjlibrary with international judo guys. You will reconsider you comment
que luta dura Rodolfo muito forte xandi Guerreiro o Rodolfo teve muita sorte se tive se mais 10segundos iria pontua a passagem de guarda
Fora que o juíz inventou a queda para o Rodolfo, convenhamos, aquilo não foi queda nunca.
That was crazy when xande landed on his feet to prevent the 2 pointer from the butterfly sweep of his opponent
Carlos Escoto they still get an advantage
Probably because nagewaza is way harder than newaza! I do both and there can be no doubt that learning ground-fighting is a lot easier and less frustrating than learning to throw. Plus it's hard to find good judo clubs outside Japan. And all that stuff about stalling and illegal grips is while true, doesn't mean jack. All the guys at my gym do that and I throw them around easily.
Funny people saying a judo black belt could easily throw these guys.
THEY ARE BOTH JUDO BLACK BELTS.
What you dont understand is that under BJJ rules, all the bullshit illegal gripping, posture and stalling rules of judo DO NOT APPLY.
You can maintain illegal grips and a stalling posture all you want, making it much harder to throw anyone. You can initiate with leg attacks too. That changes the game dramatically.
john g john g john g
decent judo for a bjj match, but I can't help but think that even a decent blackbelt in judo would have been able to throw either one of these guys without much trouble. I'm more kinda just surprised the match took that direction without one or the other pulling guard.
Well, i'm asking..don't they have grip, posture, no leg touching rules? Or..would a Judo player prefer to try and throw in a Bjj match instead so they don't violate some dumb rule? And then maybe hold the pin since their ground game isn't too advanced.
Yes, they are both judo black belts, but so am I. So what? Just because they are black belts, doesn't mean they're any good. Just watch Xande sparring with Takashi in preparation for this year's Worlds. You'll see the difference between good stand up and bad!
Belíssima luta com dois atletas excepcionais, técnica,força, agilidade e muinto mais.....
Nonsense. That's like saying BJJ had to "modify it's rules to make it work" by banning guard slamming. The rules don't "make it work" they just facilitate more interesting and safer matches.
It seems like Judo had to modify their martial art with rules to make it work then eh? Because in all practicality without rules, it would be harder to throw someone right? Sounds wack.
the guys at this level have their own students and followers in the crowds.
Rofdolfo Viera Pega Queda Raspando Genio ;D Esse Ingês cala a boca velho
Excellent comments. Everyone I knew in judo who gave BJJ a real go, meaning more than just an occasional visit, never returned to regular judo training, myself included. I think most of us came to the same conclusion you wrote in your 100 percent-correct assessment.
Rodolfo vieira e o melhor!! Samos gfteam de sangue parceiro!!
Vieira won by advantages but Xande more technical in my opinion. Just a little more time and Xande would have had the pass and would have won.
Xande Ribeiro fiquei ainda mais seu fã depois dessa luta, muito tecnico, e calmo!!!
Coach told me Xande hasn't had his guard passed in 15 years. Immediately put in Xande vs Rodolfo VIerira to see if the claim is true.
tbh the claim is kind of meaningless if you turtle and end up giving up your back rather than accepting your guard got passed, like many competitors do.
Yes, there are such rules in Judo competition, which mainly exist to penalize passivity (note that passivity penalties also apply in BJJ). The leg touching rule is a very recent addition to IJF comp rules and only applies to direct attacks, not counters and combos. And yes, I think guys who are experienced in nagewaza and less expert in newaza will generally not pull guard in BJJ comps. Check out Koji Komuro and Dave and Dan Camarillo who all bring high-level judo into BJJ competitions.
I missed why Jesus boy won? I shouldn't have skipped through. I thought the takedown was the only points scored.
awesome match, if Xande had had 10 more seconds.....
2:42 uoll
Tai otoshi
Rodolfo is so explosive and such a beast. Juat beat Xande is really big deal!
did they not award the guard pass because time expired?
Esta ponte que xande fez chega ate repia isso coisa de um mestre de verdade de jiu jitsu duas
Fera do nosso esporte.
maybe they both wanted to show case their judo skills.
amazing judooo! respect for both
Monsters. Xande needed 20 more seconds to finish the pass! Rodolfo is one of the GOATs!
Xande foi o pé no saco do Roger e o Rodolfo o pé no saco do bochecha,estilos muito identicos!
Gostei da umildade dos dois
Yes they are black belts in judo also
Esses americanos gritando no final da luta HAHAHAHHAHA
the mat space looks bigger than normal
5 more seconds
esta luta foi muito dura. estão de parabéns. o nível esta muito bom.
DOPE! I think some fans of Xande filmed it
Seoi otoshi
Esse é o andre Galvao Caraio KKKKKKKKK
Um show de profissionalismo e esportividade! #orgulho
AONDE GFTeam Passa faz show
People just dont understand that all what botth wanted was to stay on top.
I’m surprised Rodolfo didn’t try to shoot for the far knee off of the Seoi Nage.
30 more seconds and Xande would have had that pass. Incredible match.
Whats up with this refs hair?
RODOLFO VAI TE PEGAAAAR(8)
RODOLFO JA TE PEGOOOOOU
puro spettacolo!!due campioni!
Xande Ribeiro é um monstro
Ta aí, dois atletas que eu admiro de mais.
Kano is rolling over in his grave. Judo isn't adapting BJJ is.
The sequence from 7:01 to 7:20 was sick!
I love the respect towards these guys
Lutão complicado só fã dos dois guerreiros jiu Jitsu oss
Xande does not have "high level" judo. His judo is average.
Essa gritaria atrapalha a luta a diretoria devia proibir a gritaria
You're right. Although "decent" is the operative word. Watch this: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kgI59gQkHX0
Se o xande estabilizasse a passagem era dele...
muito boa a transmissão, obrigado.
beautiful to see them fighting..rodolfo and xande are defnatly otwo of the most complete jiujitsu fighters ever..
Sounds like students cheering for their instructor.
I love their style of Jiujitsu: no guard pulling or playing the 50/50 position. Always start the fight standing up and trying to establish a dominant position by throwing and then go to the ground.
Chad Lin guard pulling only for pusses
but its so boring they are most time inactive while gripping. They are bend over all the time which is completely passive.
Caralho... como luta esse Xande!!
lol did the ref have an issue with the clippers?
xande monsstrooo
Luta certo, mas não deu para ganhar do Rodolfo.
Its like chess.