*Well it`s SAD!* The inability to run without GPU makes this device for me senseless. I thought it could be a kinda dev webserver. _Thanks for a great material!_ 💛💙
I wondered about putting a NVS 300 in there for home server use, but the 75W power usage, plus what ever your graphics card pulls, means it's just not feasible (with Europe energy prices, anyway)
worth noting that USB sata/ethernet can cause weird/strange issues that can cost one hours of debugging. if you're aiming to build a NAS, i'd avoid USB if at all possible - but i'm sure this has its place still! i could see it being a decent dev box if you used the pcie for gigabit+ ethernet
Very important comment! Yupp, usb is polling mode and technically cannot satisfy stability needs of a server imho. I tried many 2,5 gbit usb ethernet adapters, none was working without losing connection sooner or later (linux and windows). I saw videos claiming 5 gbit is even worse. I have 2,5 gbit and 10 gbit pcie cards working flawlessly with linux and windows.
@@sheldonkupa9120 if you have some of these USB3->2.5Gbe adapters it might be worth checking @apalrdsadventures video (search USB 2.5Gbe on his channel) since iirc he covered some fixes and did a technical deep dive into some Realtek USB ethernet chipsets
What an excellent video, your teaching impresses me, I had 2 questions, how much would it be worth paying for this kit? And what would be the ideal video card to match it? taking into account low cost?
How much really depends on what other options are available for you. In my case I would not pay more than €50-60. For GPU, I think something like GTX 1060 6 GB would be ok but better not to use it for gaming at all.
In "This is the WEIRDEST PC I've ever seen." Hardware Haven got TrueNAS working headless (exchanged GPU for PCIe Network Card after installation), around the 13:40 mark. Power consumption readings were similar, I believe their unit was running on BIOS version C06. I was expecting some comparison with PCIe 2.0 x16 limited Xeon kits, as the 4700S can target at least base console level performance depending on the GPU pairing and game in question. 4800S Desktop Kit would be a better proposition, apparently hard to find (China only according to Digital Foundry).
Thanks for the extra info. Unfortunately my unit would refuse to boot headless no matter what. It would attempt to boot, then self reboot and go into some corrupted state so clear CMOS is required to boot even if I install a GPU.
At least I'm not the only one thinking this is pretty much useless unless you need a weird paper weight. I bought this around 2 years ago for really really cheap with the included RX550 and it's been running in my homelab since then. Tried it as a NAS with Unraid, but with only a single PCIe slot and 2 SATA I had to choose between having a GPU or more SATA ports. Had no issues running it headless at first though, if I recall correctly. Tried it in my Proxmox cluster, but the 16GB of RAM and limited expandability became a bottleneck at some point. Using cheapo mining PCIe multipliers/switches just borked everything. Tried to turn it into a remote gaming server (for games that are now legally unobtanium) but it just kept collecting dust. Now it's just acting as an overkill, hot, inefficient GPU holder locked at 800MHz with a 6600XT for LLMs and StableDiffusion. For now at least. If only it had all the PCIe lanes that the PS5 one has...
This kit is very interesting, and very sad. I learnt that the board itself literally runs everything off the A77 chipset, yes the same A77 that AMD used for FM2. This means that the PCIE 2.0 x4 is actually running off the chipset, not the CPU. They did not even wire it up properly to use the PCIE 4.0 x4 lane that is reserved for the PS5 ssd. The worst part is that everything is treated as an USB device, even the ethernet is a USB ethernet chip. This literally has no use at all, i tried to make it work, i tried to make it a compact HTPC with a pico psu, but it just shutdown randomly. And even as a homeserver with a gt1030 plugged in with a regular psu it consumes nearly 100w idle which is too much. Still a great collector piece though.
Perhaps that motherboard together with GTX 1050 TI / RX 550 could be useful as an emulation machine up till PS2 / Wii / PSP era. PS3, Xbox 360 & Wii U emulations are a huge no. Other than that, nope.
Hello! I have the Qiyida X99 E5 D4 motherboard with a Xeon E5 2680 v4. Do you know if I can install a TPM module? Which one would you recommend? By the way, great channel, I've subscribed! Best regards!
Hi. Please check my blog for detailed instructions on how to verify if your motherboard supports TPM 2.0 and text me on Discord if something is still unclear.
@@Miyconst Okay, thanks for the information. I’ve followed the steps from your blog, and initially, my motherboard seems to be compatible. I’ve also been reading about the two cables and their function. My question is: Imagine that, by some chance, you accidentally restart the computer or need to restart it to update the operating system. When the computer finishes restarting, if I turn it off and then turn it back on, will the chip still work, or will it stop functioning? Thanks for your support.
I recently bought this board, and it has some problems. It ran fine on the first day, but when I started it the next day, there was no display. The CPU fan is running at full speed, which wasn't the case on the first day. I tried resetting the CMOS, but it didn't help. The BIOS isn't appearing either. Can you send me the backed-up BIOS bin file?
If you bought it from WStore.sk then just ask for a replacement. They have very good (usually) customer support. For the BIOS, it's available for download from the AMD website as I showed in this video.
I want to see someone try to replace the cpu with one of an original ps5 cpu. If the board would accept the graphics of the ps5 apu that would make it very interesting.
Great review, bad hardware. Still better to use it like this than make it e-waste. Would be awesome if made to run headless. Which noctua fan is compatible?
Should have bought a decent USB adapter. I always use UGREEN products, and their quality is top-notch and price is quite decent too. please try it next time if you buying any adapter.
I was tempted to use your link & code, but... I forgot how much the 4700S sucks, and I don't think I have anything interesting to add to the conversation about it. If the 4800S kit were to reappear for a similar price it might be worth a look, if only for the NVME slot and Gen 4 PCIE, but this thing is just e-waste.
Interesting product, but ultimately not really suitable for most uses. If it was cheaper, maybe users who just want to do some light home office type work. It seems like when it was first released it was sold at US$500. I wonder how many AMD sold ? I can't imagine many people would have bought it at that price given the limitations.
Harvested SOCs might be around on similar crappy Chinese tofu dreg motherboards but it will have a different set of issues!! Like quality of the motherboard or bad connectivity like 2 SATA ports and no expandability at all.. essentially harvesting PS5 SOCs to create a crappy PS5 😂
Quick sync or similar is only possible if CPU has iGPU. This AMD 4700S doesn't have iGPU. If you take any of the Intel's F CPUs, they also don't have quick sync since the iGPU is missing.
Plex does not require Quicksync to run. Plex only requires video encoders to transcode. Quicksync is merely the name for Intel’s video encoders, AMD also have video encoders under the name VNC, both do the same thing but may support a different number of codecs.
This is ggod for nothing simply because of not a standard heat sink. Dye is very small and CPU reaches 100c for everything. Its lying with me since 2yrs.
Makes me wonder how they got so much performance at lower power consumption and lower temperatures in the PS5!! Sure the PS5 doesn't use a defective soc but it's only the iGPU that's defective so compared to the PS5 why is the power consumption so high and the memory of the PS5 was supposed to be so fast it eliminates loading screens or at least hide them by pre loading as the game play's!! Also SSD drive speeds of the PS5 was supposedly so fast that games won't need forever to load or have loading screens. Also PCI express 2.0 x4 ?? The PS5 is meant to have PCI express 4.0 Im pretty sure!! It's supposed to be able to do ray tracing in games and run games at a minimum of 60fps but mostly 120fps in performance mode so if it's only the GPU that's defective why is all the rest of hardware wrong?
This is a very cut down version of the PS5 chip. The power consumption also relies on compatibility with operating system, apparently this 4700S does not have power saving features that Windows can use and AMD didn't bother to implement better drivers.
@@Miyconst just seems that if it's a true PS5 soc but with defective GPU then why is the PS5 memory so good when this has the same memory system? Also SSD drive speeds are way off compared to the PS5 and the PCI express system is wrong generation.. it's beyond cut down it's similar but completely different.. the speed of the PS5 and specs are way better than this pile of crap. I would be interested to see a harvested PS5 soc and this soc side by side.. it should also be compatible with the motherboard to see what if anything changes.. sure the GPU won't work obviously but it should not matter as the 2 chips are still the same pin out just 1 has its iGPU disabled.. now that would be interesting to see as it will show if they are infact the same chips and if any other parts of the chips are defective
@@Miyconst and sure it's not really worth the effort lol but it will be very interesting regardless. As it might open up a way to harvest dead PS5 SOCs and reuse them because it would mean we have a compatible motherboard at the very least.
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*Well it`s SAD!* The inability to run without GPU makes this device for me senseless. I thought it could be a kinda dev webserver. _Thanks for a great material!_ 💛💙
Same here.. lack of the headless boot is the last nail into the coffin.
@@Miyconst you could perhaps use a dummy HDMI plug or make your own dummy VGA plug?
oh right, it doesn't have an igpu :(
Could you not just throw some cheap gpu in there? I got a R7 240 from ebay for $7 shipped a few months ago.
I wondered about putting a NVS 300 in there for home server use, but the 75W power usage, plus what ever your graphics card pulls, means it's just not feasible (with Europe energy prices, anyway)
most "why" product released in last years
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i still want it :D
You want it - you get it!
@@Miyconst they must have made this for the guy above only then
cause surely no one else wants it
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You get the Junk Collector achievement.
I guess, it was unlocked long time ago but this one is the next level.
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worth noting that USB sata/ethernet can cause weird/strange issues that can cost one hours of debugging. if you're aiming to build a NAS, i'd avoid USB if at all possible - but i'm sure this has its place still! i could see it being a decent dev box if you used the pcie for gigabit+ ethernet
Probably you didn't finish watching the video yet. This board refuses to boot without a GPU.
never mind, this thing NEEDS a gpu in the pcie slot as pointed out in the video. i'd avoid this one
@@Miyconst caught me red handed lol
Very important comment! Yupp, usb is polling mode and technically cannot satisfy stability needs of a server imho. I tried many 2,5 gbit usb ethernet adapters, none was working without losing connection sooner or later (linux and windows). I saw videos claiming 5 gbit is even worse. I have 2,5 gbit and 10 gbit pcie cards working flawlessly with linux and windows.
@@sheldonkupa9120 if you have some of these USB3->2.5Gbe adapters it might be worth checking @apalrdsadventures video (search USB 2.5Gbe on his channel) since iirc he covered some fixes and did a technical deep dive into some Realtek USB ethernet chipsets
What an excellent video, your teaching impresses me, I had 2 questions, how much would it be worth paying for this kit? And what would be the ideal video card to match it? taking into account low cost?
How much really depends on what other options are available for you. In my case I would not pay more than €50-60. For GPU, I think something like GTX 1060 6 GB would be ok but better not to use it for gaming at all.
In "This is the WEIRDEST PC I've ever seen." Hardware Haven got TrueNAS working headless (exchanged GPU for PCIe Network Card after installation), around the 13:40 mark.
Power consumption readings were similar, I believe their unit was running on BIOS version C06.
I was expecting some comparison with PCIe 2.0 x16 limited Xeon kits, as the 4700S can target at least base console level performance depending on the GPU pairing and game in question.
4800S Desktop Kit would be a better proposition, apparently hard to find (China only according to Digital Foundry).
Thanks for the extra info. Unfortunately my unit would refuse to boot headless no matter what. It would attempt to boot, then self reboot and go into some corrupted state so clear CMOS is required to boot even if I install a GPU.
I had high hopes for this one for Local LLMs because of the high memory bandwidth. But apparently it's bad for that too.
Yeah, unfortunately it's not good for anything.
At least I'm not the only one thinking this is pretty much useless unless you need a weird paper weight. I bought this around 2 years ago for really really cheap with the included RX550 and it's been running in my homelab since then.
Tried it as a NAS with Unraid, but with only a single PCIe slot and 2 SATA I had to choose between having a GPU or more SATA ports. Had no issues running it headless at first though, if I recall correctly.
Tried it in my Proxmox cluster, but the 16GB of RAM and limited expandability became a bottleneck at some point. Using cheapo mining PCIe multipliers/switches just borked everything.
Tried to turn it into a remote gaming server (for games that are now legally unobtanium) but it just kept collecting dust.
Now it's just acting as an overkill, hot, inefficient GPU holder locked at 800MHz with a 6600XT for LLMs and StableDiffusion. For now at least. If only it had all the PCIe lanes that the PS5 one has...
Good video, and all that....now, the real question: How do you open the door behind you? Looks like the cupboard is blocking it :)
I don't open it, I live in my office and work nonstop. 🤣
This kit is very interesting, and very sad.
I learnt that the board itself literally runs everything off the A77 chipset, yes the same A77 that AMD used for FM2.
This means that the PCIE 2.0 x4 is actually running off the chipset, not the CPU. They did not even wire it up properly to use the PCIE 4.0 x4 lane that is reserved for the PS5 ssd.
The worst part is that everything is treated as an USB device, even the ethernet is a USB ethernet chip.
This literally has no use at all, i tried to make it work, i tried to make it a compact HTPC with a pico psu, but it just shutdown randomly. And even as a homeserver with a gt1030 plugged in with a regular psu it consumes nearly 100w idle which is too much.
Still a great collector piece though.
That's exactly my point as well. A great collector's piece and nothing more.
Honestly this would make a great system for a simple pc. Like for someone’s grandma.
Perhaps that motherboard together with GTX 1050 TI / RX 550 could be useful as an emulation machine up till PS2 / Wii / PSP era. PS3, Xbox 360 & Wii U emulations are a huge no. Other than that, nope.
Hello! I have the Qiyida X99 E5 D4 motherboard with a Xeon E5 2680 v4. Do you know if I can install a TPM module? Which one would you recommend? By the way, great channel, I've subscribed! Best regards!
Hi. Please check my blog for detailed instructions on how to verify if your motherboard supports TPM 2.0 and text me on Discord if something is still unclear.
@@Miyconst Okay, thanks for the information. I’ve followed the steps from your blog, and initially, my motherboard seems to be compatible. I’ve also been reading about the two cables and their function. My question is: Imagine that, by some chance, you accidentally restart the computer or need to restart it to update the operating system. When the computer finishes restarting, if I turn it off and then turn it back on, will the chip still work, or will it stop functioning? Thanks for your support.
i think this will make a cheap and good office pc 😃. For 70€ i cant get i5 2.gen pc in Türkiye.
I recently bought this board, and it has some problems. It ran fine on the first day, but when I started it the next day, there was no display. The CPU fan is running at full speed, which wasn't the case on the first day. I tried resetting the CMOS, but it didn't help.
The BIOS isn't appearing either. Can you send me the backed-up BIOS bin file?
If you bought it from WStore.sk then just ask for a replacement. They have very good (usually) customer support. For the BIOS, it's available for download from the AMD website as I showed in this video.
I want to see someone try to replace the cpu with one of an original ps5 cpu.
If the board would accept the graphics of the ps5 apu that would make it very interesting.
The board doesn't have any video outputs, how would that GPU be used? Maybe AMD 4800S is what you want?
Great review, bad hardware. Still better to use it like this than make it e-waste. Would be awesome if made to run headless.
Which noctua fan is compatible?
Any Noctua fan will fit as long as you print the required adapter or simply use a fan of the same size.
Edit: 80mm is the correct size!
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Thanks for the reply, 92mm is the correct one, right?
I mean, to replace the stock one without further modification/printing.
Yes, it's 92mm if I remember correctly.
For anyone looking for this. It's 80mm. 100% sure it is 80mm!
Should have bought a decent USB adapter. I always use UGREEN products, and their quality is top-notch and price is quite decent too. please try it next time if you buying any adapter.
I tested many ugreen adapters, most are ok but also not completely flawless.
I was tempted to use your link & code, but... I forgot how much the 4700S sucks, and I don't think I have anything interesting to add to the conversation about it. If the 4800S kit were to reappear for a similar price it might be worth a look, if only for the NVME slot and Gen 4 PCIE, but this thing is just e-waste.
I agree. I couldn't find a good use case for it either.
Interesting product, but ultimately not really suitable for most uses. If it was cheaper, maybe users who just want to do some light home office type work. It seems like when it was first released it was sold at US$500. I wonder how many AMD sold ? I can't imagine many people would have bought it at that price given the limitations.
Will you review MW-100-NAS? It has 6 sata and 10gbe nic onboard.
So far I don't have such plans but could happen in the future.
Why no one in community tried to put a real ps5 apu instead of the one that came with 4700s desk kit ?
What would that give? The board doesn't have any video outputs.
is there no version of this, with a working igpu?
No, because Sony obviously doesn't want they working chips to float on the internet and compete with PS5.
@@Miyconst i mean, maybe some bootleg stuff of alliexpress i mean, of course i doubt there's anything Official
Harvested SOCs might be around on similar crappy Chinese tofu dreg motherboards but it will have a different set of issues!! Like quality of the motherboard or bad connectivity like 2 SATA ports and no expandability at all.. essentially harvesting PS5 SOCs to create a crappy PS5 😂
@@michaellegg9381 it sounds like a fun idea, if PS5 wasn't expensive i'd try it
where can i found drivers of the motherboard?
Please watch the video.
With a 150W pico itx power supply + e9173 gpu + ssd could it be useful for an office pc?
The 150W PSU is gonna be on its toes under full load but if it's a quality unit it should be fine.
Hey, I had bought a prebuilt PC with the same Kit, I wanted to know how did u enter BIOS, I tried F2 which didn't work
You press the Delete button.
@@Miyconst tried many times didn't work for me, should I try upgrading BIOS directly?
You certainly can try updating the BIOS but the risk is yours, I can't guarantee any compatibility or success.
@@Miyconst Hey I figured out I can enter startup via recovery startup then selected uefi mode
Amd don't have quicksync if you want to run plex without a gpu
Quick sync or similar is only possible if CPU has iGPU. This AMD 4700S doesn't have iGPU. If you take any of the Intel's F CPUs, they also don't have quick sync since the iGPU is missing.
Plex does not require Quicksync to run. Plex only requires video encoders to transcode. Quicksync is merely the name for Intel’s video encoders, AMD also have video encoders under the name VNC, both do the same thing but may support a different number of codecs.
This is ggod for nothing simply because of not a standard heat sink. Dye is very small and CPU reaches 100c for everything. Its lying with me since 2yrs.
It has some mass though, could be a fancy paper weight.
@@Miyconst I have Noctua L9i for that lying around. Says it can cool 65w CPU but can't cool a 11500 even in open case
Useless & Rubbish.
How do you dare to be so rude! It's a perfectly functioning paper weight! 🤣
@@Miyconst
Makes me wonder how they got so much performance at lower power consumption and lower temperatures in the PS5!! Sure the PS5 doesn't use a defective soc but it's only the iGPU that's defective so compared to the PS5 why is the power consumption so high and the memory of the PS5 was supposed to be so fast it eliminates loading screens or at least hide them by pre loading as the game play's!! Also SSD drive speeds of the PS5 was supposedly so fast that games won't need forever to load or have loading screens. Also PCI express 2.0 x4 ?? The PS5 is meant to have PCI express 4.0 Im pretty sure!! It's supposed to be able to do ray tracing in games and run games at a minimum of 60fps but mostly 120fps in performance mode so if it's only the GPU that's defective why is all the rest of hardware wrong?
This is a very cut down version of the PS5 chip. The power consumption also relies on compatibility with operating system, apparently this 4700S does not have power saving features that Windows can use and AMD didn't bother to implement better drivers.
@@Miyconst just seems that if it's a true PS5 soc but with defective GPU then why is the PS5 memory so good when this has the same memory system? Also SSD drive speeds are way off compared to the PS5 and the PCI express system is wrong generation.. it's beyond cut down it's similar but completely different.. the speed of the PS5 and specs are way better than this pile of crap. I would be interested to see a harvested PS5 soc and this soc side by side.. it should also be compatible with the motherboard to see what if anything changes.. sure the GPU won't work obviously but it should not matter as the 2 chips are still the same pin out just 1 has its iGPU disabled.. now that would be interesting to see as it will show if they are infact the same chips and if any other parts of the chips are defective
@@Miyconst and sure it's not really worth the effort lol but it will be very interesting regardless. As it might open up a way to harvest dead PS5 SOCs and reuse them because it would mean we have a compatible motherboard at the very least.