I love that Shabaz showed his knowledge toward the end on Sutekh and how the Egyptian gods exist in the Doctor Who universe. He sounded excited to be sharing it, and did so without making new people feel silly for not knowing. As someone who has watched some, but not all, classic Who, it's nice when a little bit of knowledge is brought in, enough to make me want to check out more Classic.
The Egyptian pantheon are often depicted as humanoids with animal heads, and what was floating in space in Wild Blue Yonder? A humanoid alien with a horse head! 🤯
Brilliant! Although Set/Sutekh is the Egyptian god portrayed with a horse or donkey head, at least in later times. The Set Animal or Sha in earlier depictions is somewhat confusing, looking basically canine, but with odd square-topped ears and a forked tail. It's not a jackal like Anubis. But it could be a gazehound, used for hunting and similar to the modern greyhound. Or it could be a fantastic beast, dreamed up to symbolize chaos.
When Bonnie Langford said "He's the boss", notice how she emphasized it a second time. It's a clear hint that RTD is the "boss" that's been referenced by the Meep and Rogue. RTD is next season's big bad confirmed. You heard it here first.
I kinda like the idea of characters in fiction finding out they're works of fiction, you start having an existential crisis about that, and then you realise you're being scripted to have an existential crisis...
@@MegaChris456the kind woman he’s referring to isn’t Anita dobson’s character mrs flood. It’s the listed character from next week listed only as ‘kind woman’
22:43 'Investigating shoplifting in catford' this could be a tease that the Cheater People are going to return (from the story Survival 1989) because their was a scene involving shoplfting and cats were the 'harbringers' of the cheater people
Another great podcast! I come every week. I hope we will see Shabaz and Nadia for years to come and you antis don't get your way. I'd really miss them. I agree with Thomas mentioning Ncuti's scared reaction. The episode was awesome. I'm a classic fan who started watching in the 1980s and Pyramids of Mars never really did it for me, but I still had like a long-dormant memory reactivating and overwhelming me when I heard, "I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all humanity." I had guessed it would be Sutekh by then after the Time Window Chidozie death, but the episode was still 100% gripping. Also, I still think the Doctor's granddaughter Susan will be back on the show. They have to bring her back after all that teasing. Delightful to see Bonnie Langford on the podcast! Happy with Mel being such a big part of the show! Her talking about the UNIT company does seem to suggest the rumored spinoff could be real? Her teasing of the finale being heartbreaking and everyone's jaw dropping -- oh no! I can't wait till next week.
Wasn't the original Sutekh sealed away with a piece of the TARDIS in the original series? So it would make sense that after all of this time, Sutekh would have an affinity for the TARDIS and able to eventually compromise it?
NO KILLING MEL!!!! Also, Easter Egg 🥚 🐣... Carla said when the black and red mass was first showing up, in the Memory Window, "I know what that is, that's The Beast" or something close to that... which was voiced by the same actor as Suteck, who came back at 91 to do the voice again.... The Beast/Satan is also supposed to be in The Pantheon. So, is that line from Carla just a nod to the Voice actors' previous work on the show, or is it a hint that the Beast is coming back too???
"on a distant planet A kind woman is waiting with something vital" Susan said she dreamt of orange skies. What if a version of susan was on gallifrey. She will somehow help. Throw in a susan foreman connection somehow. Btw my other theory is that rubys mother/father/other is Horus. The god of light/life. Sutekhs rival. Ruby is the god of memories, in a chrysalis hence why everything says human even for susan.
I noticed the orange skies line too and I wondered if she is either from gallifrey or at least had traveled there in a dream or something. I’m so excited for this next episode I can’t wait. I wish I had my own Time Machine to travel to friday 😂
@@rowanc88I wonder if it's a fake listing and it's actually Carole Ann Ford that's in the episode? They're using her name as a misdirect to hide the truth.
The Doctor is known for leaving backup plans with people so I wouldn't be even a little surprised in Grandma Sunday has a little something under her pillow.
Thank you. Saves me watching the rest of this garbage. Just who is this podcast aimed at? Cos it’s certainly not the fans… And I don’t know how a casual audience member can enjoy this…
Crazy theory, but what if Ruby’s mother is River, dropping her off right before the Vashta Nerada, knowing the Doctor would find her. And Ruby is really Susan’s mother in the distant future. Didn’t the Doctor say something about him knowing his granddaughter but not his children?
Also the way Russell makes all these anagrams and clues like SUE TECH what about new companion Varada is her name. Are you seeing what I am? VA-shta ne-RADA
Ok everyone hear me out I have a theory, what if Ruby’s mother is the 13th Doctor? The reason I say that is that after The Giggle aired Russell said during the commentary for it ‘every Doctor bi-generated as well in their own personal timeline at the same location they originally regenerated’ so my theory is that if that’s true maybe 13 awoke on that cliff edge and sometime later somehow conceived Ruby? Another reason I say this is because when the 2023 Christmas special aired the first thing I noticed about her mom in the wide shots was that she was wearing short pants and boot like shoes which is the exact same thing 13 wore as well
It’s NORMAL to skip adventures in the TV series, and has happened in every revival series as well as the classic series. In fact that’s how we squeeze in things like charity specials (“Time Crash”, “Destination: Skaro”), DVD extras (Good Night, Bad Night, First Night, Last Night), comics (the very start of the 14th Doctor after the regeneration), and entire novel series like Virgin Missing Adventures and BBC Past Doctor Adventures. This continues with BBC New Series Adventures, up to and including the 15th Doctor, so I recommend finding the stories titled “Ruby Red”, “Caged”, and “Eden Rebellion” coming in November.
I always believe in honesty and fairness. I was quite critical of this podcast on it’s first episode. With a large slice of humble pie, I gladly take that back. It has vastly improved. The discussions around the individual episodes since then have been excellent and interesting, and the hosts do a great job in engaging the guests. Keep up the good work guys.
Remember, not everyone from Galifrey was a timelord. If you watch the original episodes where Susan was a student who traveled with "Grandfather", she was niot identified as a time lord. In fact, when the Doctor left her in a distant future London with David to start a family, she was not a time lord
well, neither was the doctor at that time, because in real-world terms the concept wasn't created until 1969. there's nothing in the show indicating that susan *isn't* a time lord as-such, for the same reason that there's nothing indicating she is. 🤷🏻♀️ it's simply not established.
i can actually imagine how this scene would play out, the "kind woman" lands wherever the dr and mel end up after they get away from the sand, and just shouts at them to "GET IN!" the memory tardis
Ruby must be Horus reincarnation. Horus, Egyptian god with the power of the sun rays. Ruby Sun-Day, just as Horus who defeated Sutekh in the ancient Egypt almost 3.000+ years ago. Actually, Ruby's age as shown in Boom is 3082 years.
I love this theory and remember that age bit in Boom making me curious, but the same thing occurred to Amy in "The Beast Below" when she was listed at 1308 years old by the computer.
@@mirandamartinez8107 you're probably right about the age and the computer. Buy watching back The Pyramids of Mars I also noticed that the Eye of Horus is la like a big red ruby. Most probably, given how prominent Horus was in the original story about how he got Sutekh trapped, Ruby Sun-Day (Eye of Horus) will take a major role into defeating Sutekh. Anyway, I'm hyped!
@@amfe52 I agree! Ruby's identity is crucial and I'm convinced she's god-like. I'll be happy with whatever direction they go in though, because the suspense is killing me haha!
@@mirandamartinez8107 maybe part of the "heartbreaking" twist is that, not only someone else dies next episode, but Ruby, being so crucial to the story so far, has to sacrifice and become a sort of "Horseman of the Apocalypse" or Sutekh fully destroys everything, then she is freed from that and is the one who takes out Sutekh, but she's killed with him 😮😮😮
something i realized when i remembered the last episode is called Empire of Death is that Sutekh is the god of death (not sure if that's his actual title but it's along those lines) so it's almost been screaming of us about what the villain for the finale was going to be
It's clever because we had so many episode titles ending with "of Death" so we just brush it off as another nod to Classic Who, when it was somewhat a clue all the time.
y'all this might be the best cliffhanger since the Weeping Angels in Flux, fr - RTD is back with his absolutely ANNIHILATING cliffhangers -IT ALL TIES BACK TO THE DEVIL'S CHORD: WE'VE GOT A DOG-
What if the "Kind Woman" is Missy. The Doctors last words to Simms Master (in front of Missy) was "Just at the end. Just be kind." What if Missy didn’t die the last time we saw her. What if she didnt regenerate either/what if she was saved by someone? Who knows, im sure you could reason an excuse for Missy to have survived The Doctor Falls. "Just at the end. Just be kind."
We used to make them at school and scouts we used an old metal paint tin to store it in which was used as both storage and could place inside as a wind break and stand. Tent pegs were used as a shelf through holes 2-3 inches from the top. Holes on the bottom which we used to control air flow cover in duct tape. Great video
Susan has the dreams cos her master was wrapped around the TARDIS for longer than we knew and it's taken part of her (subconscious or an actual part of her) wherever the TARDIS went.
So, where's 14 then? Yeah, he's 'retired' and whatever else and knows 15 is out there, but you're telling me he just willingly sits by when this massive threat is on Earth? Especially with it being TARDIS centric. come on. No way he just leaves 15 to sort everything himself
5:47 That moment when the newbie presenters realise that the Doctor has adventures in-between televised episodes, revealing once again that they know nothing of the extended universe, virgin new adventures, big finish audio dramas, or quite frankly the classic series where unseen adventures are often mentioned.
So sutekh was waiting to show himself on that susan broadcast or he was forced by Kate to show himself a that moment. I feel something is missing to make sense of that reveal.
Omg wait I just thought of something: in this episode we see that the tardis landed on Ruby road a second time, without the doctor presumably. What if that’s where the tardis went when it disappeared in wild blue yonder? The doctor did speculate what happens when the tardis runs off like that.
What a shocker it had me at the end of my seat lol can't wait to see what happens in next week's empire of death really hope we get answers about ruby birth mother
The other faces of Susan Twist not shown in tv-episodes leave room for other media to take up those loose ends and tell stories in DWM or BigFinish😅 The actor who voiced Suthek did it 49 years ago in "Pyramids of Mars" AND the monster from "The Impossible Planet" & the 10th Doctor had some adventures with Suthek's son Anubis in Titan Comics (while Suthek tries to come back)😮
When I heard the voice in the Time Window after the Cornel's apparent demise and he says "I am in Hell. It's seen right into my soul and it's so old" it was SO reminiscent of The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit (Season 2, with the 10th Doctor and Rose). Like, it's 'The Devil'.
^I wrote that at about 14mins in. Only to watch to the end and find out the voice of the Colonel/Sutehk is done by the same dude who did the voice of The Beast in those Season 2 episodes. And Ruby's mother literally says "I know what it is! It's The Beast!" at that moment.
Sutekh is the third of the triad... 1. Toymaker 2. Maestro (where tardis made the sound) 3. Now sutekh Maestro & toy maker both alluded to a bigger baddie of a "god". Maestro said something like "he who waits is coming"
I was thinking about “the impossible planet” episode the whole time sutekh was being revealed. I’ve seen that episode a hundred times it’s my absolute favorite. Carla also calls it “The beast” and in the impossible planet the doctor refers to it as that. Harriet starts saying all the names, he goes by, just like in the impossible planet. And the unit guy talks about how old it is, and in the impossible planet the doctor talks about how the language is impossibly old and the tardis can’t even translate it. I didn’t know the guy that voiced i Sutekh was the same guy until I watched another video that told me lol but yea I totally was thinking along those lines and I’m so glad it was talked about on here.
Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor. I loved everything about his era from the gothic horror to the comedy heights to the hard science. Sutekh was one of the greatest baddies to come along. What does he want? The fact that the Doctor sent him to the very far future so he could never be in this universe again. This would send Sutehk on a road to cosmic destruction.
I have a theory that the Curse of Fenric water music diegetic sound over Susan's transformation indicates that Fenric is involved and is the one creating the cursed family of Susans throughout history, as that is the kind of thing Fenric does. Sutekh is getting Fenric to do its dirty work to free it into this reality. If the Doctor and Unit need to battle both Fenric and Sutekh then the only way they can defeat them is to use two TARDISes (well, two time machines) to trap Sutekh back in his temporal corridor. (One at each end). Hmm. I wonder where they can get another one at short notice? (This is not the first time Russell T Davies has had a last minute additional villain. Remember Doomsday and discovering that the sphere had nothing to do with the Cybermen?)
At the beginning of the episode the doctor talks about regeneration and says its a way to "hide away from everyone". That's word for word what mrs flood says later in the episode. I think she's a time lord
If I had a nickel for every time London was besieged by a sandstorm brought upon by an ancient Egyptian adversary...I'd have two nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice, yeah? How am I feeling? Deep hurting...DEEP! HURTING!
Mrs flood was placed as ruby's neighbor to ensure she grew up to be in the right place because somehow, she is the key to defeating sutekh. (Like her snow messing with maestro) Maybe Mrs flood is woman in cloak & maybe the nice woman on a distant planet is ruby's mom
The Doctor said that the reason the experience in the Time Window was so intense, so much energy was because it was being powered by MEMORY and time is memory (or was it memory is time?)
Every time RTD speaks, I take his words with a grain of salt because he gaslights people LOL. Still, a better writer than Chibnall when it comes to character interactions
I fully believed that was Jinkx's / Maestro's hand 🤔 *But, then someone on Twitter pointed out that Mrs Flood has a gold tooth, which I totally missed, when she's talking with Grandma Cherry, and I think her nails are not painted? 🤔 So, maybe she's part of the Patheon? Working with them? Or is she Granddaughter Susan being manipulated? It'd be a camp twist having Grandma Cherry being held hostage by Granddaughter Susan 😅
When the Doctor asked Susan about having dreams, I thought it might be his granddaughter with a fob watch! That would explain why she registered as human too
So many Easter eggs in this episode. Still don’t know who Flood is. Saying she is hiding herself away. Is she a time lord? Is she a Tardis herself? Another god? The CCTV on Ruby Road is 67 meters or “73 yards” away. The exact distance you can’t make out facial features. Her “mom” can see Sutekh and is pointing at the TARDIS, either warning the Doctor, or being defiant to Sutekh. Is she future Ruby crossing her own timeline? Another god? Who is Susan really? We still don’t know why she is scattered throughout time and space. Is she just an avatar projected in time and space by Sutekh?
I do find it quite funny to imagine how confused Disney Plus viewers must have been when Sutekh was revealed to be the big bad. They must have wondered who the heck he was!
hashtag Doctor Who Sutech was not voiced in 1995 it was voiced in 1975 tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen in the periods of Mard we watched the episodes I think there's 4 or 6 of them but it wasn't 1995 it wasn't a series in 1995 the last episode was in 1987 I believe So check your fax and double check them again but the real actor who played suitc with 1975 almost 50 years ago and thank God he's still alive to reprise his role. by the way wouldn't you like to see guys see Sergeant Benson come back and say general Benton. I know he became a captain eventually but that was after Mike Gates defected. and that would literally be 50 years ago I don't know if the actors still alive but I hope so.
The Doctor says timelords can change and HIDE their faces. mrs Flood also mentions hiding her face. Mrs Flood was warning grandma not threatening her. I think Mrs Flood is Susan.
A critical comment i have for the episode was that it seemed odd that the Doctor would show up at unit casually with two problems, like one is clearly concerning to him, but also here's this fun little challenge about Ruby, but then it seems like he spends more time on the problem for Ruby, and just kinda forgets about Susan for a bit. It just feels a bit disjointed without reason.
Susan must have regenerated; I think she was left in the year 2020 as a teen. I could very well be wrong. If it is her, the storm she refers to would be the arrival of the Daleks.
His granddaughter Susan is under the cloak, and Ruby is his great-granddaughter.... Ruby is the key to stop sutech.... That's why she left her at the church so the doctor would find her and save the universe
by the way in the description version it says Mrs Vlad turns and faces the camera and breaks the 4th wall she breaks the 4th wall so you're spot on when you said oh she's breaking the 4th wall yeah she did and it said so in the description. or subtitles help so does having the description on too You get subtleties that you notice about it brings them to your attention Watch the episode normally then re watch it again with the subtitles on and the description on and you get to see a different entire episode that brings certain things that you didn't notice like visually which you should have and it makes you focus on those things you're oh wow wait a minute I'm just sorry Mrs Flood is evil she seemed like such a nice lady except she didn't want anything to do with the 73 yards woman if she's such a baddie then what was he afraid of from Ruby ruby is the anti missus flood anti-seotic whatever she is the reason for the doctor to find her And figure who she is And again it's coincidence that they met so on and so forth everything heaven you do with Rui is coincidence she's like the random dice roll we're all for initiative you know and there's Ruby.
Ruby is Susan and used the thing to make her human and forget she’s a time lord like the doctor done in series 3 with the fob watch. The person who dropped ruby/susan off on Xmas eve is Susan but the original Susan so ostensibly she’s dropping herself off 🤷🏻♂️🙈😂 or something around the lines. Ruby’s mother will be the doctors daughter jenny who is now the kind woman regenerated from original jenny 🤷🏻♂️ either that or original Jenny will return. Just a guess
nice to see sutekh back funnily i bought the tardis time control model from pyramid of mars the other day with Tom Baker nice to see gabriel woolf again voicing sutekh
I love that Shabaz showed his knowledge toward the end on Sutekh and how the Egyptian gods exist in the Doctor Who universe. He sounded excited to be sharing it, and did so without making new people feel silly for not knowing. As someone who has watched some, but not all, classic Who, it's nice when a little bit of knowledge is brought in, enough to make me want to check out more Classic.
The Egyptian pantheon are often depicted as humanoids with animal heads, and what was floating in space in Wild Blue Yonder? A humanoid alien with a horse head! 🤯
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OMG true! I didn't realize that!
Brilliant! Although Set/Sutekh is the Egyptian god portrayed with a horse or donkey head, at least in later times. The Set Animal or Sha in earlier depictions is somewhat confusing, looking basically canine, but with odd square-topped ears and a forked tail. It's not a jackal like Anubis. But it could be a gazehound, used for hunting and similar to the modern greyhound. Or it could be a fantastic beast, dreamed up to symbolize chaos.
And in Rogue!
When Bonnie Langford said "He's the boss", notice how she emphasized it a second time. It's a clear hint that RTD is the "boss" that's been referenced by the Meep and Rogue. RTD is next season's big bad confirmed. You heard it here first.
Lol can't say I'd put it completely past him haha
I kinda like the idea of characters in fiction finding out they're works of fiction, you start having an existential crisis about that, and then you realise you're being scripted to have an existential crisis...
I'm saying the Kind Woman is Susan, the Doctors granddaughter, they've teased it, Susan Triad was a red herring, now it's time for actual Susan
I doubt Susan would act so creepy, especially when she's supposed to be looking after Ruby's grandmother. That was evil. My guess has been the Rani.
@@MegaChris456the kind woman he’s referring to isn’t Anita dobson’s character mrs flood. It’s the listed character from next week listed only as ‘kind woman’
@@everyrose0772 Ahh, my mistake. I was wondering if I mistook who he meant.
imo the time lady seems to be ms flood
The Tardis also made the groan sound when Rogue was in the Tardis with The Doctor!
“You’re not sad because it’s raining. It’s raining because you’re sad.”
22:43 'Investigating shoplifting in catford' this could be a tease that the Cheater People are going to return (from the story Survival 1989) because their was a scene involving shoplfting and cats were the 'harbringers' of the cheater people
Another great podcast! I come every week. I hope we will see Shabaz and Nadia for years to come and you antis don't get your way. I'd really miss them. I agree with Thomas mentioning Ncuti's scared reaction. The episode was awesome. I'm a classic fan who started watching in the 1980s and Pyramids of Mars never really did it for me, but I still had like a long-dormant memory reactivating and overwhelming me when I heard, "I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all humanity." I had guessed it would be Sutekh by then after the Time Window Chidozie death, but the episode was still 100% gripping.
Also, I still think the Doctor's granddaughter Susan will be back on the show. They have to bring her back after all that teasing.
Delightful to see Bonnie Langford on the podcast! Happy with Mel being such a big part of the show! Her talking about the UNIT company does seem to suggest the rumored spinoff could be real? Her teasing of the finale being heartbreaking and everyone's jaw dropping -- oh no! I can't wait till next week.
Wasn't the original Sutekh sealed away with a piece of the TARDIS in the original series? So it would make sense that after all of this time, Sutekh would have an affinity for the TARDIS and able to eventually compromise it?
NO KILLING MEL!!!! Also, Easter Egg 🥚 🐣... Carla said when the black and red mass was first showing up, in the Memory Window, "I know what that is, that's The Beast" or something close to that... which was voiced by the same actor as Suteck, who came back at 91 to do the voice again.... The Beast/Satan is also supposed to be in The Pantheon. So, is that line from Carla just a nod to the Voice actors' previous work on the show, or is it a hint that the Beast is coming back too???
Sutekh simply is the Beast. Every culture gets a satan, and sometimes they're all one thing. Magic.
@@thephoenixsystem6765the beast is a completely different character
"on a distant planet A kind woman is waiting with something vital" Susan said she dreamt of orange skies. What if a version of susan was on gallifrey. She will somehow help. Throw in a susan foreman connection somehow. Btw my other theory is that rubys mother/father/other is Horus. The god of light/life. Sutekhs rival. Ruby is the god of memories, in a chrysalis hence why everything says human even for susan.
Sian Clifford of 'Fleabag' fame is on the cast list for the episode as 'Kind Woman'.
she was most likely talking about Mars.
I noticed the orange skies line too and I wondered if she is either from gallifrey or at least had traveled there in a dream or something. I’m so excited for this next episode I can’t wait. I wish I had my own Time Machine to travel to friday 😂
@@rowanc88I wonder if it's a fake listing and it's actually Carole Ann Ford that's in the episode? They're using her name as a misdirect to hide the truth.
Ruby Sunday could also be made into Red sun day.... Which would be in line with the mythology... But maybe we've had enough name stuff! 😂
The Doctor is known for leaving backup plans with people so I wouldn't be even a little surprised in Grandma Sunday has a little something under her pillow.
Well yeah Ms. Flood is clearly Susan so I'm sure she'll be okay..
@@okaywegood No way she is Susan! Ms. Flood is evil
Exactly! I wonder if Grandma Cherry knows more than she's saying
35:15 for the clip for the next episode, saves you from searching :)
Thank you!!! I only came for the next episode clip, and the RTD words
Legend
Thank you. Saves me watching the rest of this garbage. Just who is this podcast aimed at? Cos it’s certainly not the fans… And I don’t know how a casual audience member can enjoy this…
I'm so excited
My guyyyyy
Crazy theory, but what if Ruby’s mother is River, dropping her off right before the Vashta Nerada, knowing the Doctor would find her. And Ruby is really Susan’s mother in the distant future. Didn’t the Doctor say something about him knowing his granddaughter but not his children?
Imagine and the doctor was the father. Also remember river song is the child of the tardis
Also the way Russell makes all these anagrams and clues like SUE TECH what about new companion Varada is her name. Are you seeing what I am? VA-shta ne-RADA
I love Sutekh being "the one who waits" because "death waits for us all" such good writing!!
Ok everyone hear me out I have a theory, what if Ruby’s mother is the 13th Doctor? The reason I say that is that after The Giggle aired Russell said during the commentary for it ‘every Doctor bi-generated as well in their own personal timeline at the same location they originally regenerated’ so my theory is that if that’s true maybe 13 awoke on that cliff edge and sometime later somehow conceived Ruby? Another reason I say this is because when the 2023 Christmas special aired the first thing I noticed about her mom in the wide shots was that she was wearing short pants and boot like shoes which is the exact same thing 13 wore as well
The TARDIS scans her as human, so... seems unlikely.
It’s NORMAL to skip adventures in the TV series, and has happened in every revival series as well as the classic series. In fact that’s how we squeeze in things like charity specials (“Time Crash”, “Destination: Skaro”), DVD extras (Good Night, Bad Night, First Night, Last Night), comics (the very start of the 14th Doctor after the regeneration), and entire novel series like Virgin Missing Adventures and BBC Past Doctor Adventures. This continues with BBC New Series Adventures, up to and including the 15th Doctor, so I recommend finding the stories titled “Ruby Red”, “Caged”, and “Eden Rebellion” coming in November.
I always believe in honesty and fairness. I was quite critical of this podcast on it’s first episode. With a large slice of humble pie, I gladly take that back. It has vastly improved. The discussions around the individual episodes since then have been excellent and interesting, and the hosts do a great job in engaging the guests. Keep up the good work guys.
These guys are shocked that The Doctor and Ruby have off-screen adventures like the season didn’t have a full-on 6-month gap before Ep 2
Remember, not everyone from Galifrey was a timelord. If you watch the original episodes where Susan was a student who traveled with "Grandfather", she was niot identified as a time lord. In fact, when the Doctor left her in a distant future London with David to start a family, she was not a time lord
The original Gallifreyans are the Shobogans, like Tecteun. Twelve mentions the Shobogans too in Hell Bent
well, neither was the doctor at that time, because in real-world terms the concept wasn't created until 1969.
there's nothing in the show indicating that susan *isn't* a time lord as-such, for the same reason that there's nothing indicating she is. 🤷🏻♀️
it's simply not established.
@GhostPurple69 that's the point of what he's saying congrats
Well because they weren't invented until 1969...
Susan is also alive and has had a family, the doctor has met her a bunch of times, including the 8th doctor, who has also met her son
I firmly believe that the "kind woman" is the real Susan Foreman.
same, what if the memory tardis is hers, could explain how the doctor nd mel get on it in the first place
i can actually imagine how this scene would play out, the "kind woman" lands wherever the dr and mel end up after they get away from the sand, and just shouts at them to "GET IN!" the memory tardis
Also what Donna was called in the Library...
Mrs flood I reckon
@@ronniedodge3299Russel said she’ll be “on another planet.”
What is something that can cause a flood?
Rain. Which is an anagram for Rani.
I'm convinced she's the Rani, she's too creepy to be Susan.
Agreed!
Ruby must be Horus reincarnation. Horus, Egyptian god with the power of the sun rays. Ruby Sun-Day, just as Horus who defeated Sutekh in the ancient Egypt almost 3.000+ years ago.
Actually, Ruby's age as shown in Boom is 3082 years.
I love this theory and remember that age bit in Boom making me curious, but the same thing occurred to Amy in "The Beast Below" when she was listed at 1308 years old by the computer.
@@mirandamartinez8107 you're probably right about the age and the computer. Buy watching back The Pyramids of Mars I also noticed that the Eye of Horus is la like a big red ruby. Most probably, given how prominent Horus was in the original story about how he got Sutekh trapped, Ruby Sun-Day (Eye of Horus) will take a major role into defeating Sutekh. Anyway, I'm hyped!
@@amfe52 I agree! Ruby's identity is crucial and I'm convinced she's god-like. I'll be happy with whatever direction they go in though, because the suspense is killing me haha!
@@mirandamartinez8107 maybe part of the "heartbreaking" twist is that, not only someone else dies next episode, but Ruby, being so crucial to the story so far, has to sacrifice and become a sort of "Horseman of the Apocalypse" or Sutekh fully destroys everything, then she is freed from that and is the one who takes out Sutekh, but she's killed with him 😮😮😮
@@amfe52 Sun Day 😮😮😮😮😮
something i realized when i remembered the last episode is called Empire of Death is that Sutekh is the god of death (not sure if that's his actual title but it's along those lines) so it's almost been screaming of us about what the villain for the finale was going to be
yeah but daleks have been called that in the past too
It's clever because we had so many episode titles ending with "of Death" so we just brush it off as another nod to Classic Who, when it was somewhat a clue all the time.
the tardis sound is the same that sutekh made when he died in the old ep
This was a GREAT Doctor Who episode
y'all this might be the best cliffhanger since the Weeping Angels in Flux, fr - RTD is back with his absolutely ANNIHILATING cliffhangers
-IT ALL TIES BACK TO THE DEVIL'S CHORD: WE'VE GOT A DOG-
And the Space Babies talking about the bad doggo too 😮
@@UndercoverBunny86 oh GOD HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO
@@h0lly_blue yeeeees 😱 we've been thrown little hints all season long 🤔
What if the "Kind Woman" is Missy.
The Doctors last words to Simms Master (in front of Missy) was "Just at the end. Just be kind."
What if Missy didn’t die the last time we saw her. What if she didnt regenerate either/what if she was saved by someone? Who knows, im sure you could reason an excuse for Missy to have survived The Doctor Falls.
"Just at the end. Just be kind."
We used to make them at school and scouts we used an old metal paint tin to store it in which was used as both storage and could place inside as a wind break and stand. Tent pegs were used as a shelf through holes 2-3 inches from the top.
Holes on the bottom which we used to control air flow cover in duct tape.
Great video
Susan has the dreams cos her master was wrapped around the TARDIS for longer than we knew and it's taken part of her (subconscious or an actual part of her) wherever the TARDIS went.
So, where's 14 then? Yeah, he's 'retired' and whatever else and knows 15 is out there, but you're telling me he just willingly sits by when this massive threat is on Earth? Especially with it being TARDIS centric. come on. No way he just leaves 15 to sort everything himself
5:47 That moment when the newbie presenters realise that the Doctor has adventures in-between televised episodes, revealing once again that they know nothing of the extended universe, virgin new adventures, big finish audio dramas, or quite frankly the classic series where unseen adventures are often mentioned.
I'm afraid he hasn't got a clue
The kind woman on the distant planet is the one who waits 😮
Praying for Riversong
It's already been revealed it was Sutekh
So sutekh was waiting to show himself on that susan broadcast or he was forced by Kate to show himself a that moment. I feel something is missing to make sense of that reveal.
Omg wait I just thought of something: in this episode we see that the tardis landed on Ruby road a second time, without the doctor presumably. What if that’s where the tardis went when it disappeared in wild blue yonder? The doctor did speculate what happens when the tardis runs off like that.
What a shocker it had me at the end of my seat lol can't wait to see what happens in next week's empire of death really hope we get answers about ruby birth mother
Wow! SUTEKH is back! It's going to be impossible for The Doctor to get out of that one....
actually it’s going to be super easy! barely an inconvenience!
@@Thoughtanomaly thank you! 👍 was waiting for that reply! 😁
The other faces of Susan Twist not shown in tv-episodes leave room for other media to take up those loose ends and tell stories in DWM or BigFinish😅 The actor who voiced Suthek did it 49 years ago in "Pyramids of Mars" AND the monster from "The Impossible Planet" & the 10th Doctor had some adventures with Suthek's son Anubis in Titan Comics (while Suthek tries to come back)😮
Did Unit hired the same architect of the Avengers building?
They took the scraps left in NY and rebuilt it for UNIT, we love an Eco Friendly Universal Level Threat Fighting Agency 💁🏻♂️
When I heard the voice in the Time Window after the Cornel's apparent demise and he says "I am in Hell. It's seen right into my soul and it's so old" it was SO reminiscent of The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit (Season 2, with the 10th Doctor and Rose). Like, it's 'The Devil'.
^I wrote that at about 14mins in. Only to watch to the end and find out the voice of the Colonel/Sutehk is done by the same dude who did the voice of The Beast in those Season 2 episodes. And Ruby's mother literally says "I know what it is! It's The Beast!" at that moment.
Bring on the finale!❤❤❤
Sutekh is the third of the triad...
1. Toymaker
2. Maestro (where tardis made the sound)
3. Now sutekh
Maestro & toy maker both alluded to a bigger baddie of a "god". Maestro said something like "he who waits is coming"
To me, it's natural that the Doctor has adventures that we aren't privy to yet ... (spoilers).
I was thinking about “the impossible planet” episode the whole time sutekh was being revealed. I’ve seen that episode a hundred times it’s my absolute favorite. Carla also calls it “The beast” and in the impossible planet the doctor refers to it as that. Harriet starts saying all the names, he goes by, just like in the impossible planet. And the unit guy talks about how old it is, and in the impossible planet the doctor talks about how the language is impossibly old and the tardis can’t even translate it. I didn’t know the guy that voiced i
Sutekh was the same guy until I watched another video that told me lol but yea I totally was thinking along those lines and I’m so glad it was talked about on here.
Coco 😍 Did not expect this crossover
After watching this episode all I can think about is Pond, River, Flood!
That episode blew my mind. Utterly FANTASTIC work! In the wise words of the Doctor... Hadi ama!
The Kind Woman on another planet by the teasers and Carole Ann Ford being at the Premiere, I reckon it'll be Susan.
Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor. I loved everything about his era from the gothic horror to the comedy heights to the hard science. Sutekh was one of the greatest baddies to come along. What does he want? The fact that the Doctor sent him to the very far future so he could never be in this universe again. This would send Sutehk on a road to cosmic destruction.
I have a theory that the Curse of Fenric water music diegetic sound over Susan's transformation indicates that Fenric is involved and is the one creating the cursed family of Susans throughout history, as that is the kind of thing Fenric does. Sutekh is getting Fenric to do its dirty work to free it into this reality. If the Doctor and Unit need to battle both Fenric and Sutekh then the only way they can defeat them is to use two TARDISes (well, two time machines) to trap Sutekh back in his temporal corridor. (One at each end). Hmm. I wonder where they can get another one at short notice? (This is not the first time Russell T Davies has had a last minute additional villain. Remember Doomsday and discovering that the sphere had nothing to do with the Cybermen?)
How did he get out of the time corridor?
At the beginning of the episode the doctor talks about regeneration and says its a way to "hide away from everyone". That's word for word what mrs flood says later in the episode. I think she's a time lord
The toy maker made the doctors like in a jigsaw so that might be why it is not in chronological order 🤔
I can't wait for the next episode
Ok so why are we not looking for Ruby's father
probably because the mother has actually been seen and is known to be alive (as of 2004). the father could be dead or out of the picture completelly
Because it's the doctor 😂 and Susan is her daughter
Exactly! Why are they focusing on the mother so much unless the Doctor is her father. He certainly wouldn’t show up in an earth specific database.
34:00 I'm calling it now, that's Ruby's birth mom!
or the real susan foreman
Are you sure you're the offical doctor who podcast?
If I had a nickel for every time London was besieged by a sandstorm brought upon by an ancient Egyptian adversary...I'd have two nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice, yeah?
How am I feeling? Deep hurting...DEEP! HURTING!
Saaaaandstorm...SAAAAAANDSTORRRM!
Kind woman is the one who waits and it is original planet, where the doctor is from. And kind woman with vital information is his mother.
( 1:13 ) Which angels one? 🤔
Mrs flood was placed as ruby's neighbor to ensure she grew up to be in the right place because somehow, she is the key to defeating sutekh. (Like her snow messing with maestro) Maybe Mrs flood is woman in cloak & maybe the nice woman on a distant planet is ruby's mom
Ruby Sunday is quickly being referred as Rose Light
The Doctor said that the reason the experience in the Time Window was so intense, so much energy was because it was being powered by MEMORY and time is memory (or was it memory is time?)
That’s an intriguing line- I’m sure it means something. I wonder if that’s how the Memory Tardis will connect with this story.
Every time RTD speaks, I take his words with a grain of salt because he gaslights people LOL. Still, a better writer than Chibnall when it comes to character interactions
What about the person who picked up the tooth in the giggle?
I fully believed that was Jinkx's / Maestro's hand 🤔
*But, then someone on Twitter pointed out that Mrs Flood has a gold tooth, which I totally missed, when she's talking with Grandma Cherry, and I think her nails are not painted? 🤔
So, maybe she's part of the Patheon? Working with them?
Or is she Granddaughter Susan being manipulated?
It'd be a camp twist having Grandma Cherry being held hostage by Granddaughter Susan 😅
I think that was Kate she had red nails in the giggle 👀 I checked
If you actually watched the Classic Serial you'd know that is the sound Sutekh makes when thrown into the time corridor with the help of the tardis..
I love doctor who but my God she is absolutely stunning Nadia jae ❤
When the Doctor asked Susan about having dreams, I thought it might be his granddaughter with a fob watch! That would explain why she registered as human too
Yeah, I was worried for Mel when they asked Bonnie if she was going to be back next season...
So many Easter eggs in this episode. Still don’t know who Flood is. Saying she is hiding herself away. Is she a time lord? Is she a Tardis herself? Another god? The CCTV on Ruby Road is 67 meters or “73 yards” away. The exact distance you can’t make out facial features. Her “mom” can see Sutekh and is pointing at the TARDIS, either warning the Doctor, or being defiant to Sutekh. Is she future Ruby crossing her own timeline? Another god? Who is Susan really? We still don’t know why she is scattered throughout time and space. Is she just an avatar projected in time and space by Sutekh?
I do find it quite funny to imagine how confused Disney Plus viewers must have been when Sutekh was revealed to be the big bad. They must have wondered who the heck he was!
hashtag Doctor Who Sutech was not voiced in 1995 it was voiced in 1975 tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen in the periods of Mard we watched the episodes I think there's 4 or 6 of them but it wasn't 1995 it wasn't a series in 1995 the last episode was in 1987 I believe So check your fax and double check them again but the real actor who played suitc with 1975 almost 50 years ago and thank God he's still alive to reprise his role. by the way wouldn't you like to see guys see Sergeant Benson come back and say general Benton. I know he became a captain eventually but that was after Mike Gates defected. and that would literally be 50 years ago I don't know if the actors still alive but I hope so.
Now's the time, to stay on cue and reissue a New Calufrax episode. Best Tom Baker Episode imo.
The dinner lady could be the one from “The Devil’s Chord”
The Doctor says timelords can change and HIDE their faces. mrs Flood also mentions hiding her face. Mrs Flood was warning grandma not threatening her. I think Mrs Flood is Susan.
A critical comment i have for the episode was that it seemed odd that the Doctor would show up at unit casually with two problems, like one is clearly concerning to him, but also here's this fun little challenge about Ruby, but then it seems like he spends more time on the problem for Ruby, and just kinda forgets about Susan for a bit. It just feels a bit disjointed without reason.
Susan must have regenerated; I think she was left in the year 2020 as a teen. I could very well be wrong. If it is her, the storm she refers to would be the arrival of the Daleks.
Calling Ruby is a new God and her mother is Osiris. Mrs flood is another god of water that helped rebuild life.
Question: Maestro returned to whatever realm it was living in, but the Toymaker is imprisoned in UNIT headquarters. What if Sutekh releases him?
Would have little reason to do so
Who votes we start a campaign to replace this podcast with a revival of Totally Doctor Who?
No
That "I'm in Hell" line reminded me of Hellraiser
His granddaughter Susan is under the cloak, and Ruby is his great-granddaughter.... Ruby is the key to stop sutech.... That's why she left her at the church so the doctor would find her and save the universe
What happened to the "1947 coffee bar" RTD teased?
by the way in the description version it says Mrs Vlad turns and faces the camera and breaks the 4th wall she breaks the 4th wall so you're spot on when you said oh she's breaking the 4th wall yeah she did and it said so in the description. or subtitles help so does having the description on too You get subtleties that you notice about it brings them to your attention Watch the episode normally then re watch it again with the subtitles on and the description on and you get to see a different entire episode that brings certain things that you didn't notice like visually which you should have and it makes you focus on those things you're oh wow wait a minute I'm just sorry Mrs Flood is evil she seemed like such a nice lady except she didn't want anything to do with the 73 yards woman if she's such a baddie then what was he afraid of from Ruby ruby is the anti missus flood anti-seotic whatever she is the reason for the doctor to find her And figure who she is And again it's coincidence that they met so on and so forth everything heaven you do with Rui is coincidence she's like the random dice roll we're all for initiative you know and there's Ruby.
I bet Kind Woman is actually Susan!
I think mrs flood could be susan as she said about hiding amd saying you never seen a TARDIS before
Loving it. Great season.
Is that Handles on the table?
When did Ruby and the Doctor talk about his granddaughter at length? It was so suspicious that Ruby brought it up first.
Could Susan Triad be an older version of the MASTER ?
11:18 it reminded me on The impossible planet, but that could be the voice ?
Maybe Flood's first name starts with an E; E. Flood = Fooled!
They should of had a older Dr Who fan on who actually remembers watching "Pyramids of Mars"
Shabazz constantly interrupts
look forward to the next episode.
"your earliest memory"
And now I feel old...
Ruby is Susan and used the thing to make her human and forget she’s a time lord like the doctor done in series 3 with the fob watch. The person who dropped ruby/susan off on Xmas eve is Susan but the original Susan so ostensibly she’s dropping herself off 🤷🏻♂️🙈😂 or something around the lines. Ruby’s mother will be the doctors daughter jenny who is now the kind woman regenerated from original jenny 🤷🏻♂️ either that or original Jenny will return. Just a guess
Shabaz has been waiting for over forty years for Sutekh to return.
29:34 ~ Anagrams, NO WAY
nice to see sutekh back funnily i bought the tardis time control model from pyramid of mars the other day with Tom Baker nice to see gabriel woolf again voicing sutekh