IL2: Messerschmitt Bf110 G2 vs P38 Lightning | Great Battles Series
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A duel between twin engine fighter bombers. The Bf110 G2 is the clear underdog in this comparison but manages to wrest the advantage with proper tactics.
You will see at one stage breaking off the attack as the P38 uses it's superior dive speed and acceleration to pull away. Most importantly, in a melee like this with multiple bandits, do not sacrifice altitude in blind pursuit of a kill because the superior climb rate of the P38 will punish you for it.
And of course, it wouldn't be a 110 sortie without some strafing on the way home.
1:18 I feel like this is how I see most aircraft get shot down in gun cams: the enemy aircraft doing as lazy turn and bullets/cannons riddle the airframe.
It's more about how good the pilot is, I think and what he can do with the aircraft.
Absolutely
What a ridiculous scenario/outcome. The P-38 would have dispatched the 110 with ease (and often did). These two planes are not even comparable.
Plenty of people flying online who would disagree with you. As per my other comment below, I deliberately setup the 110 with a low fuel loading while the 38 is fully fueled which evens the odds considerably.
The point is you must maintain an altitude advantage at all times in this scenario, as the 38 can out accelerate, out dive and out climb you.
You will note that during this sortie, I break off attack twice chasing the 38 because if I lose altitude, I will never be able to catch up with them again.
I just made another video of the 38 versus the superior 190 as well. Maybe check that out......air combat is about pressing whatever advantages you can. The beauty of a simulator is you can experiment with these scenarios.
ruclips.net/video/H2t3fTf2k3U/видео.html
As fun as games are its history that should dictate terms, the p-38 was a beast. if the me 110 got manhandled by the hurricane you know a lightning would eat it's lunch.
@@kidkratoski3778 the 110 is way better than it's Name. When used as intendet it was quite effective and had little to worrie about single Seat fighters.
Turing the BoB it's main Problem was that because of high bomber loses Göring forced them to stay low. For that reason it could not gain an energy advantage. Without that energy advantage it had real troble coping with the spitfires and Hurricans.
When used as intended it dove Down making a pass without much turning, chewing up the enemy planes with its heavy guns and then use the spare energy from the dive to out climb the Opposition.
When done right you could repeat that Pattern till you ran out of amo and than fly home.
That tactic is sound and was also employed by the allies in the pacific. Esentially that is exactly the same kind of tactic that made the P-38 work against the Zero.
The Main diverence between the two is that the 38 is faster than a zero in Level flight while the 110 was not faster then most of its Opposition. For that reason the 38 could choose when and where to fight while the 110 could only fight on it's terms when the fight was set up properly in the beginning. The 110 there for was mich less flexible than the 38 was in the pacific theater.
But you must not forget that the 38 also strugled in the european theater! There is a reason why the 38 was mainly used in the pacific while in Europ 47 and 51 where the mainstay of us fighter operations. Not only was the 38 highly unreliable under european climat conditions it also had much more troble fighting 109 and 190 because they where much closer in Performance then any japanese fighter ever got leading to similar Problems for the 38 as the 110 had. Defensive circles where used quite frequently by 38 in europe.
Was the 38 a better fighter than the 110 in a one on one Situation? Most likely. But one thing is for sure, the 110 never was the dog most people belive it to be, and In he hands of a skilled pilot that knew how to use it, it was a oponent that one could never underestimate
@@tobiasfreitag2182 spot on. Historical use of an aircraft is not an Indication of its actual capabilities.
I get the same criticism when comparing the Kurfust or the Dora vs the Mustang or Spitfire. Yes they had much better kill ratios. But that's too be expected when you enjoy utter air superiority and high quality fuel, rested airmen not under constant threat of danger and uninterrupted supply of all war materials.
Had the spitfire or mustang been operated in similar conditions to their Luftwaffe counterparts they too would have suffered greatly as a result.
In a sim fight, all those factors are equal. Only the plane and the pilot's skill matters.
You also hear accounts involving more recent real life jets. Some of the accounts of RAF flights beating USAF in exercises. The US jets were better and the pilots just as good, so the RAF used crazy tactics to gain an advantage. Of course, there are only so many times they will work... Interesting stuff though. And thank God sims and exercises allow these to remain hypothetical scenarios.
For a front on attack, I'd go with the Me-110.
Man Cade That P-38 driver must’ve been a novice,, HTH ?? The lightening can fly higher n out turn the 110 not to mention it was much faster??? How?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The vid was edited for brevity sake but yes it will out climb, out turn and out accelerate the 110 - However, I deliberately put lower fuel loading in before the flight to even the odds out for me, as long as you maintain altitude advantage you can take care of the P38 no problem. I do however suspect there is some bad modelling going on as well. But, instead of being in favor of the allies it's in favor of the axis for once..
@@BlueMax109 Now I understand 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good Job 🤣🤣keep the content coming!!👍🏿👍🏿
@@ricardocorbie6803 Yep decided to clean up the channel and make it more aviation centric.
....first time for everything, I guess!
Both beautiful planes. But where's the Mossie?
Mosquito is coming soon to the simulator. As well as the Bf410. Can't wait.
Красочный воздушный бой, но абсолютно нереальный. Потому что достаточно манёвренный и довольно скоростной Лайтнинг был быстрее двухмоторного Мессершмитта минимум на 20%. То есть минимум на 112 километров в час. На нём опытный пилот сбил бы пару стодесятых Мессеров в одиночку, не дав им возможности выйти из боя и спастись бегством. Благодарю за видео.
Idc what anyone says. Its a very interesting video. If we can get a Meteor vs a Stormbird sometime that would be awesome.
When has a 110, even been able to get the better of a P-38?. Said anyone?
When was a 110 used against high altitude escort fighters in a 4 vs 4 scenario with pre determined altitude and intercept course? The answer is never. Because this is a simulator. Not world war two.
hey what was that background music you were using in this vid?
Couldn't tell you sorry I can't remember.
Well done Horrido! ( ...and you have a new subscriber! ;) )
Normally the P38 is the winner!
The P-38 was Rubbish. The yanks really know how to over rate and re write history. I would pitch a 110 against 2 P-38's at a time.
One of a P-38's engines had as much power as both of a 110's, and it was a lighter plane. They were completely mismatched. There was a reason the Germans ceased using the 110 in the dayfighter/interceptor role. It was inadequate in that role against newer more modern fighters, including P-38.
This is typical of video game results being completely divorced from historical reality. Next, let's see some video of Scharnhorst destroying USS Iowa. Lol.
No. It's an example of all things being equal a result that's different to operational reality as being achievable.
For one. The 110 was setup with a much lighter fuel loading than the P38. Did you happen to notice that while you were critiquing? Or do you not even know where the fuel gauge is located on a 110?
Secondly. Look at the strategy being employed by the 110. I don't engage below a certain altitude because I'll lose all my energy and never be able to catch the lightning again.
These are both tactics you can't feasibly use in an actual combat scenario. There was never a time after 1941 where the Luftwaffe enjoyed a fair fight in the sky. They were always hopelessly outnumbered. And under equipped.
Also your claim of the Alison engine in the lightning having more power than 2x Daimler Benz DB600's is wildly inaccurate. At sea level they have identical power.....
Source:
aergistal.github.io/il2/planes/bf110g2.html
aergistal.github.io/il2/planes/p38j25.html
@@BlueMax109 The Lightning could climb faster and higher. It had a higher top speed. It was more maneuverable. You can verbally dance around the issue all you like, but the 110 was not in the same league as an air to air combat aircraft as the P-38. Which is why it was relegated to support roles, and use as a bomber destroyer, after the battle of Britain. It was rugged and had good firepower. It had more than enough performance to outrun and out climb slow moving bombers while other planes like the 109 engaged their escort.
It could not cope with newer, higher performing aircraft like the P-38. I don't need to know where the fuel gauge on either aircraft is to know that. It is well documented. In fact, I have read more than a little on the subject, and have never encountered anyone that would claim otherwise. Except you.
Have a Happy Holidays. :)
Way to set the P-38s to rookie.
They were set to Ace
Bull shit!
I don't Now why you don't make a fair fight this Is about nothing
What do you mean exactly?