For humans integration problem would be the chronic abuse of substances - pot, tea, coffee, tobacco, sugar, alcohol...This tendency of ours will either flood the market with unhealthy options(decreasing health and increasing healthcare costs) or it will increase snuggling/crime rates.
I really enjoyed this story. HFY took it down. I didn't see anything controversial about it. Silly me. Please protect this story here. Don't let hate trolls take this one down.
Don't think it's HFY who took it down, the author seems to have made their own sub Reddit, deleted their stories from where they originally posted, reposted to their own subreddit so as to advertise their books.
@@nunyabusiness22 thank you for being respectful about your disagreement with my own view, it's an increasingly vanishing trait, in any case to each there own. But nope the mother is still right.
looks like they have taken a bunch of stuff down and moved it over to patreon. best guess is, given the name "storiesby 'karen' " and their pic on patreon showing that stylistic haircut, they probably pissed off one of the hfy moderators.
When I was in college there was an Arab market right on the corner of my block. The owners were great, and their American fare was cheap. Dickheads associated them with the Iraq war, the Syrian civil war, and the occupation of Afghanistan. Always getting grafitti, etc. I always apologized for my intolerant countrymen. They were always saying that it was just a bit of paint, and they'd gotten worse back home. I still roll by to buy some rice, cigarettes, or some coffee, even though I don't live up the street anymore, they're nice folks.
@@zara983 Oh, an individual with an image of a racist group as their avatar was praising the story for shining a light on racism...then was shocked at being called out for being part of a group that was, in fact, exactly as racist as the store keeper in the story. It was a BLM fist btw. The comment section devolved into rhetoric, "the message" ideology, and flame wars from there.
Immigration. Unregulated immigration in fact. In the real world, no one is worried about the milk running out, they are worried who is being let in. Are they hostilities? Will they improve current living conditions? Are they going to embrace our culture, and identity? Are they fleeing from war? If so, are they friend, or foe? These are the reasonable questions, and not, "oh, do they have a terrible taste in music? Do they drink milk like water?" Those are unrealistic questions.
Not so much. Replace milk with jobs or houses. If there are already shortages of these things then the influx of newcomers are the ones who tend to get blamed, not those responsible for the shortages in the first place. Terrible taste in music, OK, But try playing it loud in a here for to quiet neighbourhood & see how you get on!
The important questions should reasonably always have been addressed before immigration of any large scale is set up. If they are refugees you need to have established infrastructure for how to incorporate them into your society and on a space faring scale how you may be able to mitigate potential xenophobia by housing them all in one system. Their values and social issues should already have been evaluated by diplomats and governments, unless a society is naturally peaceful and cohesive enough to never have used hard borders, the established and regulation of traffic between each side should be carefully planned before it gets off the ground if possible. Especially in situations like refugees it can be very sudden so it won’t be as established but even then it’s always better to make sure you have a plan and process first rather than trying to make one as you go. Harder to make a crisis response strategy from scratch while in the crisis than it is to edit a pre established one to fit the context of whatever situation you’re in. All of that is the government and diplomatic powers job. The avg person should only actually have to worry about small shit like “what treat do we both like that they make scarce until supply reaches demand” and “is their food good” bc listen I’m more willing to accept an entirely different morphology in an alien species than I am any restaurant specializing in British cuisine being a thing anywhere near my American ass. Get that beans and toast shit tf out of here, I’ll chop it up with a xenomorph before I let them ruin Chinese food here too.
Somthing most polititian in europe dont understand and what american politicians overthink. Us germans now have to live with the consequenses of unfiltered imigration, imigrants that cant speak our language and dont work, beccause our gouverment does nothing to help the ones that want to imigrate, but gives everything to the ones that act openly xenofobic and racist, wich gets excused with sentences like "Poor war traumatized imigrant". On top of that? Every imigrant gets treated differently!
Define "our" culture...lol. if in America, "our" culture is that we are a wild variety of cultures originating from all over the world, United by a dream of freedom from tyranny and oppression and fear, wanting the opportunity to build better lives for our families. The loud music next door, unexpected supply shortages, etc..those are very valid concerns as those are part of the fine details which permit harmony to form between vastly different people. As a regular person just living paycheck to paycheck, I have little time to worry what immigrants are coming in or why, I just want to get some sleep before work tomorrow. I can't help but notice that WAY too many of our born citizens are pieces of shite that wouldn't make the grade if they were evaluated with continued citizenship on the line.
allegory i believe you mean? second, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, then guess what? it's doing what it set out to do while also being entertainment
Scifi is generally allegorical by nature. It generally takes current hot button issues, changes it a little and puts it in the future, where it's less of an immediate ideological threat, so people could engage the subject without giving in to their current fears. That's what Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, Stargate, Babylon 5, etc. were all doing. Allegory is inherent in scifi and has been from the beginning.
@ReprilianStrike George Lucas himself said that he took inspiration from both the Vietnam War, and World War 2. I think that’s fine, I don’t like George for other reasons (he was on epstein island). He didn’t make Star Wars alone though, Star Wars is great.
This one is a little too woke for my taste. We live as a bi form species but that’s nothing unusual. Many species on earth have two distinct forms, either for sexual separation or something more related to camouflage. There’s nothing unusual about that. One of the best features of this genre is their ability to stretch the aperture of what is normal on earth against what may be considered normal elsewhere. This didn’t do that then there is the xenophobic alien who doesn’t want to meet humans, but meets humans and falls in love. Then they deal with another xenophobic alien but this time she’s woke enough to know not to do that. It’s a really ridiculous story.
You clearly didn't pay attention, the story is written in the perspective of an alien that have never meet a human, and doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman, so the alien tales the most common thing, hair length to determine the gender
@@weybye91 I didi pay attention. If the alien were looking at Hork-Ba'jir and the difference between male and female were two vs three sets of horns on the brow ridge, that should considered NORMAL. Not just for the one species, but as an interpretation of how ANY species is likely to manifest in two different forms. A uniform species (e.g. swans) is just as plausible, but I find it unlikely that an alien--one used to if not in favor of different species--is going to be unable to accept hair length as a sometimes-valid gender discriminator. Moreover, if I were asked to describe the bi-morph differences between genders among humans, I would start with height, hip curvature, and shoulder width. Men and women are very different in those measures in 95% of cases. Hair length and the alien's weird reaction to it is a pitiful attempt to introduce a gender-non-binary perspective. I just find it unbelievable which is the point of good fiction.
@@briandillon2274 We can add chest differences, walking differences, general stances as well - men tend to stand with feet at shoulder distance, women tend to stand with their feet closer together if not outright touching. Men tend to look at people in the eyes or at what they are doing, women tend to watch mouths and body movements. Also, the bass of the voice...women have noticeably higher pitches than men. All depending on what another species looks at first based on their natural instincts. A cat, for example, watches your body movements and your behavior as you move. A dog is listening your voice and tone. This is actually why so many people have issues training cats or getting them to like them quickly...they treat them like how they would a dog. What a dog would consider playful a cat considers threatening.
@@Nempo13 I would’ve found that much more believable than just hair alone. There are species like tigers where there is no by morph ism and I’m sure that they find us perplexing. I would’ve done it much more interesting if there was this long laundry list of yes but no yes but no yes but no traits that left the alien completely baffled.
@@briandillon2274 To be fair, how would you know what is considered wide or narrow without context? Not to mention that a lot of our ability to determine gender is both a mix of experience *and* genetic preconditioning. We have an entire section of our brain dedicated to identifying human faces afterall. I feel like the length of one's hair as a cheatsheet for correctly labeling one's gender is a decent enough message to spread en' masse. Especially when you consider that the general populus has a room temperature IQ.
For humans integration problem would be the chronic abuse of substances - pot, tea, coffee, tobacco, sugar, alcohol...This tendency of ours will either flood the market with unhealthy options(decreasing health and increasing healthcare costs) or it will increase snuggling/crime rates.
Some of the substances we use definitely increase "snuggling". 😄
Or increase the amount of snack being bought like Pot
Chocolate will become a controlled substance on alien worlds.
Coffee can be addictive too. The black market will go nuts.
@@williamfleming2918 I do like the prospect of increasing snuggling rates! :D
I really enjoyed this story. HFY took it down. I didn't see anything controversial about it. Silly me. Please protect this story here. Don't let hate trolls take this one down.
I don't get it. What's wrong with it?
What's wrong with this story?
@@someguy6968
Wish I'd said that.
@@the_Kurgan He doesn't know lol
Don't think it's HFY who took it down, the author seems to have made their own sub Reddit, deleted their stories from where they originally posted, reposted to their own subreddit so as to advertise their books.
I hope this is a new series
me too
The mother is right
I don’t hate you or anything, but no.
@@nunyabusiness22 thank you for being respectful about your disagreement with my own view, it's an increasingly vanishing trait, in any case to each there own. But nope the mother is still right.
The original story got deleted from hfy by the moderators, I wonder what happened there.
Feels got offended.
looks like they have taken a bunch of stuff down and moved it over to patreon. best guess is, given the name "storiesby 'karen' " and their pic on patreon showing that stylistic haircut, they probably pissed off one of the hfy moderators.
Like as not, the story started a Flame War in the comments.....r/mods don't care for that sorta thing.
@@ironwolfF1 Well, think about how so many people act like the store owner. I just best it did.
what a wholesome Story :) much appreciated.
Thank you for the reading
I enjoy all of NetNarrator videos
When I was in college there was an Arab market right on the corner of my block. The owners were great, and their American fare was cheap. Dickheads associated them with the Iraq war, the Syrian civil war, and the occupation of Afghanistan. Always getting grafitti, etc. I always apologized for my intolerant countrymen. They were always saying that it was just a bit of paint, and they'd gotten worse back home.
I still roll by to buy some rice, cigarettes, or some coffee, even though I don't live up the street anymore, they're nice folks.
This one was thought-provoking 🤨
Good story. I'd like to know if there's more to it.
You could click the link in the description
@@radfordra unfortunately it got removed from the reddit for no reason i can decipher
@@zara983 Oh, an individual with an image of a racist group as their avatar was praising the story for shining a light on racism...then was shocked at being called out for being part of a group that was, in fact, exactly as racist as the store keeper in the story. It was a BLM fist btw. The comment section devolved into rhetoric, "the message" ideology, and flame wars from there.
I went to the Reddit link to see if there were any more parts of the story and saw that it was removed by the mods.
How come?
It actively called out racism and likely someone got but hurt.
@@SythDracouscreator deleted it and put it on their on subreddit so they can promote their book
Hello my neighbors!!!
Immigration. Unregulated immigration in fact. In the real world, no one is worried about the milk running out, they are worried who is being let in.
Are they hostilities? Will they improve current living conditions? Are they going to embrace our culture, and identity? Are they fleeing from war? If so, are they friend, or foe?
These are the reasonable questions, and not, "oh, do they have a terrible taste in music? Do they drink milk like water?" Those are unrealistic questions.
Not so much. Replace milk with jobs or houses. If there are already shortages of these things then the influx of newcomers are the ones who tend to get blamed, not those responsible for the shortages in the first place. Terrible taste in music, OK, But try playing it loud in a here for to quiet neighbourhood & see how you get on!
The important questions should reasonably always have been addressed before immigration of any large scale is set up. If they are refugees you need to have established infrastructure for how to incorporate them into your society and on a space faring scale how you may be able to mitigate potential xenophobia by housing them all in one system. Their values and social issues should already have been evaluated by diplomats and governments, unless a society is naturally peaceful and cohesive enough to never have used hard borders, the established and regulation of traffic between each side should be carefully planned before it gets off the ground if possible. Especially in situations like refugees it can be very sudden so it won’t be as established but even then it’s always better to make sure you have a plan and process first rather than trying to make one as you go. Harder to make a crisis response strategy from scratch while in the crisis than it is to edit a pre established one to fit the context of whatever situation you’re in.
All of that is the government and diplomatic powers job. The avg person should only actually have to worry about small shit like “what treat do we both like that they make scarce until supply reaches demand” and “is their food good” bc listen I’m more willing to accept an entirely different morphology in an alien species than I am any restaurant specializing in British cuisine being a thing anywhere near my American ass. Get that beans and toast shit tf out of here, I’ll chop it up with a xenomorph before I let them ruin Chinese food here too.
Somthing most polititian in europe dont understand and what american politicians overthink.
Us germans now have to live with the consequenses of unfiltered imigration, imigrants that cant speak our language and dont work, beccause our gouverment does nothing to help the ones that want to imigrate, but gives everything to the ones that act openly xenofobic and racist, wich gets excused with sentences like "Poor war traumatized imigrant". On top of that? Every imigrant gets treated differently!
Define "our" culture...lol. if in America, "our" culture is that we are a wild variety of cultures originating from all over the world, United by a dream of freedom from tyranny and oppression and fear, wanting the opportunity to build better lives for our families. The loud music next door, unexpected supply shortages, etc..those are very valid concerns as those are part of the fine details which permit harmony to form between vastly different people. As a regular person just living paycheck to paycheck, I have little time to worry what immigrants are coming in or why, I just want to get some sleep before work tomorrow. I can't help but notice that WAY too many of our born citizens are pieces of shite that wouldn't make the grade if they were evaluated with continued citizenship on the line.
@chrissouthgate4554 Yes, people care about the ability to provide for themselves and their family and that can not be compared to a milk shortage.
Nice
Nice story
I didn't understand if was Marylin who had short hair or if it was her daughter Georgia
The daughter had the short hair.
@@DeHerg Thank you
A bird person can’t even be racist/xenophobic anymore. Smh What has this universe come to?
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Yeah I really don't like this one it feels too much like an alligator for something
allegory i believe you mean?
second, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, then guess what? it's doing what it set out to do while also being entertainment
Scifi is generally allegorical by nature. It generally takes current hot button issues, changes it a little and puts it in the future, where it's less of an immediate ideological threat, so people could engage the subject without giving in to their current fears. That's what Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, Stargate, Babylon 5, etc. were all doing. Allegory is inherent in scifi and has been from the beginning.
@@raven3moon I knew about Star Trek, but really? All of the others? Even Star Wars?
@ReprilianStrike George Lucas himself said that he took inspiration from both the Vietnam War, and World War 2. I think that’s fine, I don’t like George for other reasons (he was on epstein island). He didn’t make Star Wars alone though, Star Wars is great.
@raven3moon
“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” - Mark Twain.
it startet interresting and and ended in a Message..... urg
What's so bad about that?
Cancel culture IN SPACE. At least it wasn't "diverse unity".
@@candy6852 everything ?
Just when people are starting to forget that half of Americans voted for Trump his fans remind everyone.
@MetalheadAndNerd anyone who doesn't know what the mind virus is, has it.
This one is a little too woke for my taste. We live as a bi form species but that’s nothing unusual. Many species on earth have two distinct forms, either for sexual separation or something more related to camouflage. There’s nothing unusual about that. One of the best features of this genre is their ability to stretch the aperture of what is normal on earth against what may be considered normal elsewhere. This didn’t do that then there is the xenophobic alien who doesn’t want to meet humans, but meets humans and falls in love. Then they deal with another xenophobic alien but this time she’s woke enough to know not to do that. It’s a really ridiculous story.
You clearly didn't pay attention, the story is written in the perspective of an alien that have never meet a human, and doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman, so the alien tales the most common thing, hair length to determine the gender
@@weybye91 I didi pay attention. If the alien were looking at Hork-Ba'jir and the difference between male and female were two vs three sets of horns on the brow ridge, that should considered NORMAL. Not just for the one species, but as an interpretation of how ANY species is likely to manifest in two different forms. A uniform species (e.g. swans) is just as plausible, but I find it unlikely that an alien--one used to if not in favor of different species--is going to be unable to accept hair length as a sometimes-valid gender discriminator. Moreover, if I were asked to describe the bi-morph differences between genders among humans, I would start with height, hip curvature, and shoulder width. Men and women are very different in those measures in 95% of cases. Hair length and the alien's weird reaction to it is a pitiful attempt to introduce a gender-non-binary perspective. I just find it unbelievable which is the point of good fiction.
@@briandillon2274 We can add chest differences, walking differences, general stances as well - men tend to stand with feet at shoulder distance, women tend to stand with their feet closer together if not outright touching. Men tend to look at people in the eyes or at what they are doing, women tend to watch mouths and body movements. Also, the bass of the voice...women have noticeably higher pitches than men.
All depending on what another species looks at first based on their natural instincts. A cat, for example, watches your body movements and your behavior as you move. A dog is listening your voice and tone. This is actually why so many people have issues training cats or getting them to like them quickly...they treat them like how they would a dog. What a dog would consider playful a cat considers threatening.
@@Nempo13 I would’ve found that much more believable than just hair alone. There are species like tigers where there is no by morph ism and I’m sure that they find us perplexing. I would’ve done it much more interesting if there was this long laundry list of yes but no yes but no yes but no traits that left the alien completely baffled.
@@briandillon2274 To be fair, how would you know what is considered wide or narrow without context? Not to mention that a lot of our ability to determine gender is both a mix of experience *and* genetic preconditioning. We have an entire section of our brain dedicated to identifying human faces afterall.
I feel like the length of one's hair as a cheatsheet for correctly labeling one's gender is a decent enough message to spread en' masse. Especially when you consider that the general populus has a room temperature IQ.
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