The least they could do is make it so the robot gives a good cover buff, like the SPARK unit from XCOM 2. Wouldn't even be mad if they copied them 1 to 1, SPARK was really fun in that game.
Don't worry, I bet a gacha-only doll will release eventually with a similar gimmick and with a robot you can actually control. Free dolls aren't allowed to be too good according to MICA's philosophy. Well they released a free doll in CN that greatly buffs physical, which is nice, but doesn't fix the inherent problems physical dolls suffer from like Papasha's shitty robot or Groza's terrible, terrible mod key and worse utility compared to other bulwarks.
@@WadeWontson I mean lotta is good for an sr, basically being a better vepley, while she falls off later, if they made more content where papasha was useful, or just made the AI smarter in general there would be less issues
@@RaifuEnthusiast Idk man, Lotta can only shine in AoE content, she doesn't do much otherwise because she has no single target attacks, almost no utility and no team she really synergizes with. Vepley is a jack of all trades that can debuff, but master of none. They have their own niches but I wouldn't call either meta-defining because as I said, MICA doesn't want free dolls to be too good. Ain't no way they didn't think her robot AI was stupid when playtesting her. I'm sure they just didn't care enough to properly fix the problem, they just gave her a key that told the robot to stay put and pretended that there was no problem instead of giving us full control or fixing the stupid AI. And that's just one of Papasha's problems.
@@WadeWontson technically all the standard dolls are free with the 260 select, Sabrina is free from weekly, she's not garbage, while peritya is RNG from dispatch, she's still good, sure her summon sucks but it's not like they have summon characters as their own class yet, probably thought it was cool, & realized how broken it could be if it wasnt balanced, & instead just made it awful, Faye is also free, & she's not trash even though she's physical element, either way they buff the less op raifus so maybe someday she won't be mayling2
The robot It's the stand in tank till it just dies which it isn't a lot but generally by then hopefully your squishy dps dealt with most of the fodder at least for current content 0 idea on on the future
If only her mech is a bulwark unit with defensive skills that would go straight to enemies faces. Would be better than having a "dps" mech who would go all the way to back corner and doesn't do shit after the first round (in auto-play, the mech would go "kay, i'm out" and goes to back and forth in the corner).
Seen a few discussions about her, seems like the only time she will be decently useful is when fighting guild boss. And at 3:05 the auto subtitles say "7 months of buying out her sharts" which is coincidentally exactly how I would describe her skills. It's like MICA really tried to cripple her as much as possible. Y'know I know she's free, but they didn't have to make her this bad. Vepley is also free and is also stuck with no element but at least she's functional and you have full control over her. Papasha didn't deserve this.
iirc CN just recently got new doll for physical element and they changed how physical works, i guess she will change some things is the future for Daiyan and others
@@apolon_ex I'm shocked that they're doing something about it, at the moment it feels like they intentionally crippled some dolls by not giving them an element. It's no coincidence that every free doll so far except Lotta has been 100% physical while the only physical gacha doll is Daiyan.
@@WadeWontson Mika team is not hoyoverse, they did give mod3 for weak doll in the past in gfl1, they do give new keys in gfl2, Centi just received her own new key with shields for her to better that Ksenia (she was considered mid until v6)
@@WadeWontson if you played arknights this is equivalent of modules, but without extra steps of subclasses that already cripple classes: rosmontis and some other examples of wierd subclass additions, releasing very weak generalist subclass unit and then cranking up numbers in skills for other alter units (new Thorns alchemist)
I have a V1 Tololo, Lotta/Mosin (crowd / boss), Colphne and a Papasha for my general team. They're all my best dolls and equally built except Papasha's weapon. Hypothetically, would Sharkry W/O her dedicated supports be able to replace Papasha? I have her built so Tololo can steal her common key, and I'd feel bad for not using Sharkry after building her to lvl40 with all keys. I don't mind building her supports (I have Ksenia/Krolik), but I'm focusing on grinding for other things for now, and only Sharkry is basically one step from being high-investment within my dolls. I won't budge on the first three slots, so it really will just be comparing a solo Sharkry vs Papasha. At this point, is Sharkry still better than Papasha?
If the choice was between v0 papasha and no support sharkry I would choose neither haha Go buy sabrina fragments from the boss battle shop to unlock her and put it in your team's 4th slot. She is Tololo's support while being a tank for the team.
For the amount of grinding you need to do to get her V6, partly reliant on your guildmates deigning/remembering to do their dailies, she should at least be decent.
Confine her to the refitting room until she refits her dumbass robot to be useful. But fr though if you have better damage dealers then don't waste your time with her. She is good against the guild boss apparently so you can use her there once it starts since you already built her.
Thanks needed something like this, the idea sounds nice, usualy summons can be very broken in some games, but yeah if the robot does what the ai on auto does i can see it beeing useless, i am curently unsure what to lvl up, i got Suomi/makiato/Mosin/Nemesis/Sharky/Lotta... Groza/Ksenia with lower investment, and with no investment i have Sabrina/Papasha or veplay, and i kinda wanna get 1 more high lvl but no idea what to do, sabrina looks great but so far surviving is only sometimes a issue if i wanna beat super high lvl areas maybe, usualy the issue is dmg, aparently papasha can cheese platoon boss but thats at 60... , and veplay can debuff the weekly boss witch sounds incredible, any advice? good video btw :}
Yeah the AI is horrible, actual source of pain. If your ksenia is v1 and above, invest in her, she becomes a staple in sharkry comps for a long time, even in CN she hasnt been replaced. Especially when you have her at v6, she deals alot of damage uncharacteristic of a support character. Sabrina is good for investment the future, once she gets her CN buffs she becomes a super strong water tile applicator and synergizes with the CN buffed tololo for a cracked team. Papasha might be able to cheese platoon boss but like is it worth it to invest in her all the way to 60 to cheese a specific gamemode? The resources could be used to build a stronger character that can just clear platoon bosses and content outside of that. Vepley has interesting mechanics yeah , you can just low invest her if you are just using for her gimmicks. Thanks for the compliment on the video, I appreciate it!
@@Ed_Roth thanks for the advice :} will invest in vepley for now and slowly replace groza with sabrina in time, resources are very thin after lvl 45 T.T
Yeah things gets exponentially more expensive, mid game is where we have lots of units to build but their costs are too high. Should get better once we hit endgame where we only need to build a single unit every patch or two instead of making 2-3 teams in a month like right now
i was thinking papasha and andoris for QJ, but then i saw the problem xD flaw is... flaw.. i am using krolik instead for my fire team, i had vepley tho but i dont know if she is good or not.. it just 30% more damage vs overburn.
this is my first time seeing it and I thought it would be a lot more cooler or at least the same color palette as Papasha, but that bright red paint eww
She isn't even viable now. By the time anyone gets v6, Springfield and Klukai will exist, and everyone will have dupes and key mods on Lolo and QJ, making it even less likely anyone has need for her. There will never be a point where she matters. It has always sounded weird to me when content creators get all excited because they get a free Papasha. Garbage for free, is still garbage.
I mean I hear you have to build her for lv60 guild boss & it's not like they don't buff raifus, sure she'll never be able to reach the levels of v0 klukay, suomi, or Springfield, but maybe if they make a new game mode she's good for she won't be mayling2
Lotta was free & is a better vepley, Faye is free & she's apparently good on cn despite being part of the nonmeta physical element, Sabrina is technically free because you can get 15 shards from weekly boss, & peritya is RNG from the dispatch box, technically with the standard select at 260 pulls theyre all free & 4/6 of them are good, with the other 2 being not great
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At least she allowed me to level up my dispatch room...
TLDR Papasha is S tier and you should focus all of your investment on her. My mechanic and her useless gundam can't be this cute.
The least they could do is make it so the robot gives a good cover buff, like the SPARK unit from XCOM 2. Wouldn't even be mad if they copied them 1 to 1, SPARK was really fun in that game.
Yeah agree if the robot worked like that it would be really fun
Don't worry, I bet a gacha-only doll will release eventually with a similar gimmick and with a robot you can actually control. Free dolls aren't allowed to be too good according to MICA's philosophy. Well they released a free doll in CN that greatly buffs physical, which is nice, but doesn't fix the inherent problems physical dolls suffer from like Papasha's shitty robot or Groza's terrible, terrible mod key and worse utility compared to other bulwarks.
@@WadeWontson I mean lotta is good for an sr, basically being a better vepley, while she falls off later, if they made more content where papasha was useful, or just made the AI smarter in general there would be less issues
@@RaifuEnthusiast Idk man, Lotta can only shine in AoE content, she doesn't do much otherwise because she has no single target attacks, almost no utility and no team she really synergizes with. Vepley is a jack of all trades that can debuff, but master of none. They have their own niches but I wouldn't call either meta-defining because as I said, MICA doesn't want free dolls to be too good. Ain't no way they didn't think her robot AI was stupid when playtesting her. I'm sure they just didn't care enough to properly fix the problem, they just gave her a key that told the robot to stay put and pretended that there was no problem instead of giving us full control or fixing the stupid AI. And that's just one of Papasha's problems.
@@WadeWontson technically all the standard dolls are free with the 260 select, Sabrina is free from weekly, she's not garbage, while peritya is RNG from dispatch, she's still good, sure her summon sucks but it's not like they have summon characters as their own class yet, probably thought it was cool, & realized how broken it could be if it wasnt balanced, & instead just made it awful, Faye is also free, & she's not trash even though she's physical element, either way they buff the less op raifus so maybe someday she won't be mayling2
0:58 Suomi show how she hates Papasha, in other ways
Nowadays - Suomi would probably joined Ukrainian Foreign Legion.
Papasha's Robot would be only good in Boss Fight that has defending mechanics if its controllable like defending Deichgraf's Standard Armor 😂
The robot It's the stand in tank till it just dies which it isn't a lot but generally by then hopefully your squishy dps dealt with most of the fodder at least for current content 0 idea on on the future
omg, 7 months of resources not bought... it would hurt like that Intro :P
If only her mech is a bulwark unit with defensive skills that would go straight to enemies faces.
Would be better than having a "dps" mech who would go all the way to back corner and doesn't do shit after the first round (in auto-play, the mech would go "kay, i'm out" and goes to back and forth in the corner).
Seen a few discussions about her, seems like the only time she will be decently useful is when fighting guild boss. And at 3:05 the auto subtitles say "7 months of buying out her sharts" which is coincidentally exactly how I would describe her skills. It's like MICA really tried to cripple her as much as possible. Y'know I know she's free, but they didn't have to make her this bad. Vepley is also free and is also stuck with no element but at least she's functional and you have full control over her. Papasha didn't deserve this.
Would be cool if they changed the robot with a mini tank at least that way it would look cool lmao
iirc CN just recently got new doll for physical element and they changed how physical works, i guess she will change some things is the future for Daiyan and others
@@apolon_ex I'm shocked that they're doing something about it, at the moment it feels like they intentionally crippled some dolls by not giving them an element. It's no coincidence that every free doll so far except Lotta has been 100% physical while the only physical gacha doll is Daiyan.
@@WadeWontson Mika team is not hoyoverse, they did give mod3 for weak doll in the past in gfl1, they do give new keys in gfl2, Centi just received her own new key with shields for her to better that Ksenia (she was considered mid until v6)
@@WadeWontson if you played arknights this is equivalent of modules, but without extra steps of subclasses that already cripple classes: rosmontis and some other examples of wierd subclass additions, releasing very weak generalist subclass unit and then cranking up numbers in skills for other alter units (new Thorns alchemist)
I have a V1 Tololo, Lotta/Mosin (crowd / boss), Colphne and a Papasha for my general team. They're all my best dolls and equally built except Papasha's weapon.
Hypothetically, would Sharkry W/O her dedicated supports be able to replace Papasha? I have her built so Tololo can steal her common key, and I'd feel bad for not using Sharkry after building her to lvl40 with all keys. I don't mind building her supports (I have Ksenia/Krolik), but I'm focusing on grinding for other things for now, and only Sharkry is basically one step from being high-investment within my dolls. I won't budge on the first three slots, so it really will just be comparing a solo Sharkry vs Papasha. At this point, is Sharkry still better than Papasha?
If the choice was between v0 papasha and no support sharkry I would choose neither haha
Go buy sabrina fragments from the boss battle shop to unlock her and put it in your team's 4th slot. She is Tololo's support while being a tank for the team.
@@Ed_Roth Oo that sounds like a good plan too, thanks!
I’ve just been using her to get to affinity level 3. I like that we got a free SSR which is nice.
Battle cats music? noice
The intro OW that hurts me on an emotional level
Now my main team has ;
1) F1 Suomi
2) F2 Sabrina
3) F1 Qiongjiu
4) Tololo
5) F6 Groza
Looks like i don't need Papasha in my team huh ??? 😅
Changr groza for sharkry
@@Y4ngCP he need that movement debuff
Need 3 more for weekly boss
For the amount of grinding you need to do to get her V6, partly reliant on your guildmates deigning/remembering to do their dailies, she should at least be decent.
Yeah at v6 shes pretty good, my main complain was how long it took haha
Battle cats ptsd
I have Suomi’s weapon. Should I pull Papasha’s weapon for my cheeta?
Sure why not it has good raw stats
Hey bro i already raised my papasha to 40 with BP weapon, what do you think i should do to her? Leaver her alone or what
leave until you got her dupe 6
Confine her to the refitting room until she refits her dumbass robot to be useful. But fr though if you have better damage dealers then don't waste your time with her. She is good against the guild boss apparently so you can use her there once it starts since you already built her.
You will need to use her in future when you hit lvl 60 for guild boss.
Probs leave her alone and let her accumulate dust if you get better single target damage dealers
That intro 😭
Thanks needed something like this, the idea sounds nice, usualy summons can be very broken in some games, but yeah if the robot does what the ai on auto does i can see it beeing useless, i am curently unsure what to lvl up, i got Suomi/makiato/Mosin/Nemesis/Sharky/Lotta... Groza/Ksenia with lower investment, and with no investment i have Sabrina/Papasha or veplay, and i kinda wanna get 1 more high lvl but no idea what to do, sabrina looks great but so far surviving is only sometimes a issue if i wanna beat super high lvl areas maybe, usualy the issue is dmg, aparently papasha can cheese platoon boss but thats at 60... , and veplay can debuff the weekly boss witch sounds incredible, any advice? good video btw :}
Yeah the AI is horrible, actual source of pain.
If your ksenia is v1 and above, invest in her, she becomes a staple in sharkry comps for a long time, even in CN she hasnt been replaced. Especially when you have her at v6, she deals alot of damage uncharacteristic of a support character.
Sabrina is good for investment the future, once she gets her CN buffs she becomes a super strong water tile applicator and synergizes with the CN buffed tololo for a cracked team.
Papasha might be able to cheese platoon boss but like is it worth it to invest in her all the way to 60 to cheese a specific gamemode? The resources could be used to build a stronger character that can just clear platoon bosses and content outside of that.
Vepley has interesting mechanics yeah , you can just low invest her if you are just using for her gimmicks.
Thanks for the compliment on the video, I appreciate it!
@@Ed_Roth thanks for the advice :} will invest in vepley for now and slowly replace groza with sabrina in time, resources are very thin after lvl 45 T.T
Yeah things gets exponentially more expensive, mid game is where we have lots of units to build but their costs are too high. Should get better once we hit endgame where we only need to build a single unit every patch or two instead of making 2-3 teams in a month like right now
@@Ed_Roth even when there's G36 her combo with Sharkry isn't budge?
@@yogawidhi1873 No unless you roll for G36 dupes, they are comparable at v0 G35 vs v6 Ksenia, Ksenia is just super overtuned character
i was thinking papasha and andoris for QJ, but then i saw the problem xD
flaw is... flaw..
i am using krolik instead for my fire team, i had vepley tho but i dont know if she is good or not.. it just 30% more damage vs overburn.
Krolik is good for overburn team placeholder until we get proper upgrades!
Because she’s free?
it will take 7 years to v6 my Suomi, just saying
On top of all of that, the robot is just ugly.
Looks like a candy cane
this is my first time seeing it and I thought it would be a lot more cooler or at least the same color palette as Papasha, but that bright red paint eww
@@hatchu5477 easier to hit if it's bright red lol
Intro... she was trying to fix your "ED"
I already leveled her 😢 what a waste of materials
Idk if she's required for lv60 guild boss, that's just what I heard, & since they buff the less op raifus, maybe someday she won't be useless
She isn't even viable now. By the time anyone gets v6, Springfield and Klukai will exist, and everyone will have dupes and key mods on Lolo and QJ, making it even less likely anyone has need for her. There will never be a point where she matters.
It has always sounded weird to me when content creators get all excited because they get a free Papasha. Garbage for free, is still garbage.
I mean I like her but then again she isn't good but at the very least usable but it's putting a lot of effort just to make her work
They hype her release for the clicks haha I sat down and digested the kit and went "this aint it"
I mean I hear you have to build her for lv60 guild boss & it's not like they don't buff raifus, sure she'll never be able to reach the levels of v0 klukay, suomi, or Springfield, but maybe if they make a new game mode she's good for she won't be mayling2
Because she is free. 😑
Lotta was free & is a better vepley, Faye is free & she's apparently good on cn despite being part of the nonmeta physical element, Sabrina is technically free because you can get 15 shards from weekly boss, & peritya is RNG from the dispatch box, technically with the standard select at 260 pulls theyre all free & 4/6 of them are good, with the other 2 being not great