The story was like writing an essay with a time limit. The first few paragraphs are clear and well structured. You have 5mins left to write the last few paragraphs.
Sadly if shonen doesnt score high in popularity polls, it gets canceled and mangaka have to finish their stories within a few months. Happened with other manga like Hitman Reborn, History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi, Bleach, and many many more.
I think the promised neverland is genius because Emma killed the writer and wrote the rest of the story by herself, she was smart enough to know that it was the only way and that any non-meta option wouldn't work
Emma: “ I want to save the deamons” The little kids who’s siblings were killed, eaten, and were on the verge of being eaten multiple times, and are most likely traumatized by the events. And the fact that they only met TWO demons who dont eat humans: “Yea let’s go!”
Well I do understand what you mean, Emma not having an intense hatred of Demons is probably due to her being a main character but I don't think it's inherently bad that she didn't want to genocide all Demons. The revelation that they subsist humanoid forms and intelligence from devouring humans is a big distinction as they aren't wild animals that consume humans willy nilly, rather it's to not degenerate into the wild beasts found in the forested areas. Pair that with Emma's group travelling into multiple Demon settlements, all organized, Demon children even populated these areas showing they could copulate. As the Manga itself put it, Demons are a mirror image of humanity almost. When someone's most important value is family, why take that away from another? This was probably the sentiment she had at the turning point of the TPN Manga Sorry, you probably already read the Manga and know the aforementioned reasons but Musica and Sonju were only an aspect for her character shift but an important one, being the first two demons she had a real conversation with, smiled with, laughed with.
@Moustapha Nour Much more logical way for them to coexist is killing the adults and brainwashing the off springs into believing humans are good and fair enough so the demons will no longer be a threat but then a again nuking them is a much easier option
@Moustapha Nour But wasn't the matter of coexistence the entire point of the Manga? Literally, when the children return to the human world that had undergrown a multitude of years worth of hardship, it had finally gained unity. The fact of the matter is Demons have their own systems, culture etc that were never shown in depth for the sake of pacing and the fact Musica and her blood exists at all means that there is a means to quell the insatiable hunger they experience. Sure it wouldn't be too realistic per se but the only reason her miraculous appearance hasn't made human meat mute is due to the Nobles and Royalty keeping the populace under their thumb through the control of the plantation's and Demons that genuinely want to keep hunting them like poachers. And with Emma's promise, both worlds will never again interact so saying humans want the land is invalid because they literally can't access it whatsoever and why would they? A lot of it is forests or dunes, who knows if the materials or minerals would be similar to the ones found in the human world? Point is, the Manga poses it is possible and within the context of it's story, it is. It's not about humans nuking all the Demons just cause and breaking the promise but a new one being forged that'd benefit both species
But that's what make her character and her story interesting. Without her selfish naivety there is no internal conflict between she and her brutally pragmatic and more reasonable brother. Also it's not like she doesn't aware about her flaw, often she questioning her own decision after reality hit her naive mind.
@Moustapha Nour the thing is. There was two ways (emma, ray, and norman) had ideas how to deal with it. Neutral would be demons and humans living together. Norman wanted to just kill all of them which is more extreme. Ray was willing to run away with who he loved and leave everyone else behind. The story was setting itself up that ray was being convinced by emma. Emma the idea I thought. Would going to become the new cells for food for demons, lose something precious to her by the demon God to stop the hunger of demons for humans thus also destroying their royal, or the blood of the demons who don't need to eat humans. For some fucking reason. They scrapped all of the ideas and sacrifices and traumas from the story up to gold pond. And made it that emma got whatever the fuck she wanted. She got all humans out the world, demons just accepted arch duke levious as king and brought him back to life (Lol??) And that was it. Worst story ever
One of the things that always pissed me off so much was how despite Ray being Isabella's BIOLOGICAL SON, they barely interacted when she was literally dying and instead Emma got all the screentime. God, they did Ray so dirty its painful
I never watched season two because I felt like it had a perfect ending. They wanted to escape the farm and they did. It made me happy to know that they escaped and I didn’t need anything more.
Reminds me of Mike flannigan’s mini-series in the way that the conclusion felt right and I didn’t need nor want to see a “season 2” or continuation. I liked the way things ended for promised never land season one, both melancholy and hopeful, and everything that came after was disappointing to me.
yeah about the time after they escaped, ray felt like an accessory to emma. when norman was thinking about killing all the demons, i thought ray would get involved more, but he just agrees with emma (granted i guess you could consider his "development" was taking less of a cynical approach and accepting optimism). when emma makes the new promise, ray literally just gets lost af and psychologically tortured without accomplishing anything if i remember correctly. it's just hilariously tragic that the only reason he was relevant/interesting after all was 1. super rare birth condition 2. being isabella's son.
@@liben5052 First arc Ray: Realist, not willing to take huge risks, very self sacrificing, will stop at nothing to make sure his plans work out Every other arc: *Why am I not dead yet?*
one of the things I take a bit of issue with in this video is that Emma isn't just an idealist. I mean, she is, but her strength is in knowing, fully and completely, how hard it is to achieve her ideals, and still demanding that they be achieved anyway. it's high risk, high reward, and the interesting thing is honestly how BOTH of the boys react to this. for Norman, achieving what Emma wants is accepted because 1. he loves Emma and wants to make her happy and 2. Norman fundamentally rises to challenge. because of these two things, Norman decides to accept Emma's conditions for success basically right away. but, conspicuously, the fact that Norman wants to save his family is lower on his priority list. it is certainly there... he does want to save them. but he wouldn't have tried if Emma didn't insist. meanwhile, Ray gave up on Emma's idealistic demands before he even fully considered them. he's been laboring under the assumption that the most he could ever hope for is maybe saving Emma and Norman too... he cares like Emma, but he doesn't gamble. he's the one who really sells us on the idea that if things go wrong, they could lose absolutely everything. why else would he have sat by and let so many of his siblings be taken away, knowing what was really happening to them, for years? he was convinced that it was hopeless... that if he attempted to escape, he might not even survive, much less make it out with anyone else. really, Emma is the unifying element here. if it weren't for her, Norman wouldn't have thought to try and save everyone, even though he proves that he has the intellectual ability when pushed, and Ray wouldn't have the confidence to try and save everyone, even though he actually can pull it off when he throws caution to the wind and tries his hardest. and this is really interesting, because the person who says "yes" to Emma and enables her pursuit of a perfect solution is Norman, someone who mainly considers things in terms of pragmatism, and simply believes he can solve their conundrum... while the person with the most virulent objections and doubts is Ray, the one who has felt the most grief at each loss, because he actually knew what they were losing the whole time. Ray is jumpy about how much more they might lose if they mess up. how bad it could be if they fail. Norman is intrigued by the challenge of trying, and hasn't been bombarded by loss over such a long period of time the way Ray has. what I'm saying is that Ray and Emma actually have a lot of grounds on which to connect, and I think the story would've been a lot stronger if it was emphasized that Emma and Ray had gotten closer over their time traveling together. their perspectives align quite a bit, while Norman's mindset was always hinted at being a bit different than the way the other two think. and this would naturally be compounded by Norman's experiences after leaving Gracefield... after he's experienced more situations in which he is helpless, cared about more people that he couldn't save, and related to the grief and anger of more people who had experienced more different kinds of cruelty. what I was hoping to see when these characters were reunited, was Ray stepping up to the plate and opposing Norman, not even for Emma's sake, but for his own sake. because back at Gracefield, deep down, he wanted to save his whole family. if someone had offered him a surefire way to get every single child out of there, he would've jumped at the chance in an instant. and as he and Emma have traveled and experienced this world, the two of them have gained a more complex understanding of what's going on in it. Emma went to Goldy Pond... she knows the attitudes of the demons that ran it, and how they think. she knows that some demons are just cruel beings who find it thrilling to hunt and kill children. and that didn't stop her from having hope in the idea that demons like Mujika could live in harmony with humans. and I think this is because of how directly Emma has faced all of the villains in this series. Emma faced off against Isabella... someone who offered Emma the opportunity to become just like her. but Emma isn't like her. Emma and Isabella, two humans, are fundamentally different. they could never see eye to eye. Andrew and his team terrorized their group and killed people that Emma mourned (it's really terrible that the writing couldn't reflect this because it's super important for this exact reason). half of Emma's biggest problems have been humans. but humans like herself, and Ray, and her siblings also exist. you can't claim to want to save all of humanity while thinking of them as a homogeneously good population. humans, as a group, are full of individuals, both good and bad. and likewise, you can't vow to eradicate all the demons as if they are a homogeneously evil population... the individuals within their population are just as varied and complicated. at this point, Emma can't really be characterized as naive... she knows all of the things that a person might say in response to her idealism, in order to dissuade her from it. she knows, and she still wants idealistic things. she's only gotten as far as she has by asking for the impossible, and then trying really hard until she and her family end up pretty near to what she wanted. she is idealistic through effort, in the face of reality, fully aware of how ridiculous her demands may be. in this way, she is stronger than both Ray and Norman. and Ray is the one who actually kind of realizes this, while Norman is probably still assuming that if he was ever going to help Emma get what she wanted, he'd be humoring her. the story up until they reunite with Norman was supposed to be proof that Emma was right about their plan to escape from Gracefield. it wasn't just luck, or a fluke... she was correct that they could do it, and the proof is that they did. Emma has what it takes to work for what she wants. she isn't frivolous. and Norman himself has to display, to her and Ray, what it is that he actually wants... because it's not going to go unchallenged.
I feel like it would've been better if it had an ending where instead of Emma forgetting everyone, that everyone forgot Emma, and she was now alone, but was happy her family survived.
Maybe Emma and the family never meet back up again, and the family drifts apart without her being the glue to hold it together (Him gets what he wants in the bargain; Emma's family)
@@verti3213 Yes, but the comment isn't about it. The comment just talks about answering questions. Sometimes mysteries shouldn't be answered, yes, but mostly that's NOT the case. They execution is the different matter.
Honestly, Ray had been traumatized by the demons since he was born. I was expecting him to side with Norman because he is the logical and pragmatic one and would have realized that making all demons vegans was impossible. Also, it would show his relationship with Norman, you know, the other person for whom he risked his life. He could have been like "kill all of the demons, minus Sonju and Mujica and we are good fam". Instead, he got reduced to following Emma's lead. They straight up made him a side character.
Ray is a tsundere. He's as soft as Emma, but tries to have that stoic nature for survival. Like he said, he never wanted to study and he never liked it, but he had to save his siblings
@@Anu32148 yea I just finished reading it, it made me think "Holy shit, it's because of Ray that literally everything happened!" If it wasn't for him telling Emma and Norman to return little bunny to Connie they would have never know and just be shipped out. That last shot of him holding the bunny and saying "let's begin" or something like that, I liked it. Yea up until chapter 181.1 I had forgotten that Ray literally spent 6 years letting his friends die and how hard that was for him.
At this point I think we can all agree the first season/Arc of the promised Neverland is the best thing in the entire series And the only thing that might be a 10/10
For those of you who didn't watch the whole thing, here is a tldr: Everyone: Solving world hunger is impossible... Emma: Let's solve world hunger! Everyone: Sure, it's doable.
That was the one problem with Emma. I love the concept of her character and everything but frankly she was just naive and the story seemed to cater to that way too much.
The problem with this manga: The first arc feels like attack on titan. We don't know anything about the outside and it's all about getting clues one by one. The rest of the manga is like Fairy Tail. A constant introduction of characters that get forgotten next arc, an incredible abuse of the nakama power and no matter how great the danger is everyone survives without problem
@@koalabear4964 The manga has a good concept but the execution of the story is garbage. They should've preserve the mystery genre of the series while not sacrificing the shonen aspec. But this is published by Shonen Jump so it will alway go full blown shonen
at least fairy tail is 90% comedy and i honestly think the power of friendship always saving the day is a running joke. It's so cliche i think it may just be a secret parody of shonen anime but maybe thats the optimist in me.
@@batmeme9349 @Batmeme Yes! I'm so glad i found someone else who read Shadow house! It's getting an anime by Cloverwork studio too so please look forward to it (○ ㅂ○)/~☆
Mangareaders before watching the anime season 2: What a disappointing ending, I hope the anime fixes it. Mangareaders after watching the anime season 2: What a wonderfully crafted masterpiece this manga is! Truly marvelous!
I only watched the anime recently and now after watching this review, it feels like the anime is still better. The anime mostly felt like there was stuff missing. But it looks like most of the stuff missing in the anime is either crap or also missing. Except for chapter 3 of the manga. That one seems more fleshed out.
@@porky1118 As someone who watched/read both, definitely not. The anime took only the worst parts of the manga's final third and somehow made them even worse. Even though I agree with a lot of the criticisms laid out in this video, there were also a lot of good things in the manga that are not all mentioned or discussed here in this video. There are also things laid out as fact here that I think are more a matter of personal taste than actually objective points. And also there's "criticisms" that are just flat wrong or not fully though out. I wouldn't recommend taking this video as evidence of the anime being "better", and even recommend at least trying out the manga for yourself if you enjoyed the anime at all, because it is better and worth reading.
@@HecateWitch13 To sum up what you said - Reading Manga is always a better experience than watching the anime. This needs no debate, it’s something that everyone agrees upon. However in this particular instance, the anime layout is not as frustrating as the manga layout; simply because people go in watching an anime expecting disappointment via bad writing maybe even crap writing, but manga is like the “book of a movie” to an anime, it’s supposed to contain everything, every single little detail of it or at least every important detail that contributes to the plot , which this manga failed to do. I’d say it was more rushed, cause it started of amazing, then went downhill, also never climaxed.
wouldn't emma's sacrifice in the end have been more meaningful if she'd remembered her family but they didn't? because if she just forgets, she won't exactly know what she was missing lol
Yeah I would’ve liked that more. Can you imagine Emma’s face and breakdown seeing Ray and Norman be like “who are you?” Sacrifice is losing something or someone for a greater good. That’s her losing her family. That is a true sacrifice. Emma is so used to everyone agreeing with her and being on her side, that having them lose their memories would almost break her tbh. But it would’ve been better!
When they went to make a new promise and that all mighty demon made a proposal, my guess was that the demon would ask for Emma to stay as compensation for the new promise. Since Emma is all free spirited and very imaginative, staying in that realm would keep that demon entertained for eternity. But instead it asked for memories lol.
I actually really wanted Norman to slap Emma in the face when they were talking about changing Normans mind before they went to the Seven Walls. Even during the first arc when she didnt want to let anyone behind I was like ok you know what, it's reckless and a stupid ass decision but we can make it work. But choosing the stupid ass decision every single time during the whole story? Cmon dude! And then I everything just works out and we never lose anyone important. Not saying Ray or Norman but maybe losing Don or Gilda would have been a bold but acceptable move.
The fact that they didn't have norman make the bold choice to go against Emma and do what he had planned regardless of the damage to their relationship/Emma's feelings is so bizarre to me, like??? The narrative tension? The betrayal? The drama? They could have done so much with that and how it changed their dynamic and the core of each of their morals/values/etc. But no, they just threw it away 🙄
I was pissed off when I learned the anime skipped the goldy pond arc. I felt like that arc has such a huge impact on the story and I feel bad that the creators of TPN got rushed.
Gah, they did Ray so dirty. We spend all that time after they escape building the relationship between him and Emma and getting used to not having Norman anymore but as soon as Norman reappears Ray is shoved into the background. He had opinions of his own way back when but now he only existed to another nodding head to Emma. And I despised how they played down his relationship with Isabella, his BIOLOGICAL MOTHER, for the sake of Emma.
OMG I KNOW, I hate how they did that, I really wanted to see them do more with Ray and his relationship with his Mom. And it sucks that they just made Emma a Mary Sue, having everyone do everything just cause she said so. She could've been such a good female MC.
Actually, Ray’s behaviour is very accurate to child victims of narcissism. When your parents hide things to look good in front of other people and they pressure you to do the same, you will loose affection to your parents.
Ray exists only a character to give them a weapon to fight back against isabelle in season 1. I didnt think so at first but upon finishing the series its obvious hes just to be a plot twist revalation with OMG HE KNEW ALL ALONG AND WAS PREPARING THE WHOLE TIME!, everything else was just an afterthought.
Manga problem: everything post Goldy Pond is too rushed and under developed. Solution?: develop this part of the story more in the anime What the anime actually does: rushes the whole rest of the story and makes the problem even worse What the actual fuck
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 Genuine question, why was the author rushed by Jump? The manga was doing really well and Jump rushing the author seems like a very stupid move
@@dipo7502 they are lying throught their theeth don't listen to thel shonen jump didn't rush shit. If the first arc was so good was because the author planned that shit for years, unlike the rest of the manga.
This! I was at first like "ohhhhh she's stronggggg. Sanjoo where are youuuu come help emma"but when the queen was defeated by "mere" hunger and musica explained about the cause of queen's defeat, I was like. It'd be more epic if queen went completely berserk and destroyed half of the city lol
I was, and still am, so disappointed in the fact that nothing was *ever* done with Ayshe. Norman literally killed her father. She hates his guts. I was waiting for the moment she would appear as a secondary villain or at the very least some kind of way to communicate that Demons can love, love *humans*, and humans can love *them*. They *can* coexist. But nah. That's too hard for Emma to solve so it doesn't happen at all.
honestly,thats very difficult. Humans are their source of food ayshe should be lucky she found a demon who was willing to be her father the other grace field kids who met mujika and sonju are lucky too as they believe in their religion(we could still see the urge of sonju that he wanted to eat humans)
Sonju at least had a reason. He wanted to go back to the time the humans were competent and able to fight back. He enjoyed the thrill of the hunt for prey that can fight back and hold their own
It makes me really angry that they added so many new kids only so that they can kill them off because they couldnt kill anyone from Emmas "family" only because she didnt want that.
@@batmeme9349 yea exactly a merry sue I liked her in season 1 but in season 2 they ruined her character, when I think of Emma I think of the kind and loving Emma not that annoying bich that calls her self Emma in season 2
This is soooo accurate like what the heck?? They literally say at multiple points throughout that they fundamentally disagree with Emma's logic and ideals but then two seconds later say, "omg Emma, anything for you bestie!"
@@nitashabaig404 Righttt. Don’t get me wrong I love Emma and all. Buhh can someone else have a second opinion and actually stick to it for a change lmaoo
I was really bummed that Norman's escape from Lambda was never shown except in very small tidbits. What did he do once he learned about Vincent? How did they work together and work with the other Lambda kids? How did he discover Smee was on their side? Norman's cunning and plans were so amazing to read in the first arc, I wanted to see how he would get out of a high security prison like Lambda.
Yeah like a season, and I mean the WHOLE season, was about them trying to figure out how to escape the farm. Now, Norman gets closed in a laboratory, and he’s like “I guess I’ll escape” like it was a piece of cake. 😮
@@marcocartaerainnocente7374 the irony is that norman didnt escape from the house and "died", but managed to escape from the secured lab and ITS NOT SHOWED TO US.
This reminds me so much of the ending of Yu Yu Hakusho except Yu Yu Hakusho was like 50% comedy 50% action whereas Promised Neverland was meant to be horror / some realism / danger, so when in YYH all the demons are able to put aside their hatred for humans and embrace their warrior spirit it feels kind of like bullshit but its fine and in The Promised Neverland its just another fucking shitty cherry on top of a pile of ass-pulls that the series had been doing to make everything work out for Emma forever for like 100 chapters straight
@@RC.- not really. Atleast the diamond had real history with Steven or atleast pink diamond. They only did it because they loved pink diamond. Whereas this is the equivalent of convincing every single human to go vegan. Literally impossible.
@@RC.- But you can excuse it since they consider Steven like their younger sister Pink Diamond and they want to apologize because they think it'ss their fault she disappeared etc. (Even if the fact that they become pacifist like that is so dumb that's true lol), you can always tell yourself they do it for their cute little sister. Here that's just 100% BS with no excuses.
If you guys want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House, you might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
I feel sorry for the creators the most. I have heard they had so much to write, so much planned... but the publishing agency turned around all of a sudden and told them they have to wrap it up in a certain amount of chapters and that's that. It's apparently a thing that happens a lot in the world of manga publishing.
Bingo. The mangaka had the whole story written 3 years prior before he even found an artist to draw it. There's no way that the original script would have started rushing in the middle until it became a sprint in the end, if there was no amount of space limitations he had to conform to. Ironic that its the very publishers of manga, who've created the problem of not allowing great stories to be expressed through manga. And it seems like the problem has only been getting worse the more time goes by.
@@kittykat896 exactly! If it started out so strong and was created 3 years prior to being drawn at all- then it would still be strong till the end! Hence why I'm glad one of the creators have taken the reigns on the 2nd season of the anime, because we know, he might get the chance to show us what he originally intended. Although I don't know how long the anime will get, I would hope that season two gets either a heck more episodes, or we get one or two more seasons.
@@TK_Creative_Studio unfortunately the second season seems to be stepping on the gas more in terms of pacing than the manga did, we can only hope that the creative liberties they’re taking are to tell another side of the story rather than rush through the original
The Promised Neverland Committee rewrote Season 2 of the anime. That is what director Mamoru Kanbe has been deciding since Season 1. But he couldn't rewrite Season 1 cause of several reasons (not allowed to change the story because Season 1 is the debut of the series). And if they changed too much, viewers might not buy the manga. Remember that anime adaptations are created to increase visibility of the manga (in other words, advertising the manga to increase manga sales). In TPN's case, TPN manga already ended last Spring 2020. After the manga ended on June 15, 2020, TPN director Mamoru Kanbe was allowed to rewrite so he can compress half of Volume 5 and Volumes 6-20 in Season 2. Why is he compressing? He is compressing so The Promised Neverland Committee can milk the profits from the manga that just finished last year, and so that any Season 1 anime DVD sales can increase. If Season 1 anime DVD increased, they are also hoping increased sales on Season 2 of the anime DVD this year. The Promised Neverland Committee invited mangaka Kaiu Shirai into the team AFTER the rewrite was already finished. He "supervised" the script and the series composition to supposedly ensure the core elements of TPN (mystery, suspense,) exist in the anime. (This isn't the actual reason, the real reason being strictly PR). But at the end of the day, he can't do any more than "supervising" and approving what has already been done (rewrote). He can't disagree with The Promised Neverland Committee's choices, because they're the ones who bought the rights to the story. The only benefit the Committee has from Shirai-sensei is his name. Put his name in the credits and manga fans are sure to follow and watch the first few episodes of Season 2. They are gonna be hyped (which is what we have all done) even before Season 2 of the anime premiered, especially because mangaka Kaiu Shirai's name is in the anime as in charge of series composition (hence, script supervision). But there are also Shueisha staff in the Committee. Shueisha is the publishing house that has rights to sell Shōnen Jump magazine (the magazine where The Promised Neverland used to be serialized on a weekly basis). Shueisha members in the Committee ensure that themes of "friendship, effort, victory" (Shonen Jump's motto) remain intact in Season 2 of the anime. (This isnt the sole reason the other reason is to ensure that the script is created in a particular way in regards to pacing and how much or how little effort and investment will be allocated, as well as how much time/episodes will be available ). So, director Mamoru Kanbe must take TPN manga themes, reuse them in the anime, and speed run by squeezing all these themes in 11 episodes. Budget is also a big factor. CloverWorks has been established for only over 2 years. They are releasing 3 anime series this Winter 2021 (Horimiya, The Promised Neverland, and Wonder Egg Priority). All the high quality animation that CloverWorks Studio is supposed to inject to "The Promised Neverland Season 2" (if it were getting a proper adaptation and following the manga) were reallocated to: "Horimiya" - a one-cour comedy and romantic anime series that fans have been waiting for 11 years since the webtoon premiered over a decade ago (and since its manga premiered 8 years ago) Wonder Egg Priority - a one-cour anime original that CloverWorks Studio is prioritizing because of its traumatic themes: (molestation, harassment, suicides, student-teacher relationships).
I dunno... maybe because they were actually much closer and Ray never really loved her that much? Like he never seemed to care too much while Emma was really devastated when she learned the truth. Since the beginning she was the most empathic one of the main 3.
@@pieroguy Well he knew the truth since he was a child, of course he won’t be as empathetic as everyone else. He was suffering longer than any other child there and that’s still his mother, he should get to spend to with her before her death…
@@racheal4186 why tho? there is nothing special about their relationship besides the fact that she's his biological mother... You know that adopted children can be closer to their parents than the biological ones right? Especially since Emma's relationship with her was always much warmer... I do agree that the mother died too fast and it felt kind of rushed but I do not think that Ray should be in any way privileged about his time with her.
@@pieroguy That’s still doesn’t make up for the fact that emma got like 5 minutes and the moment Ray stepped in she died.. even if there was nothing special about their relationship
would’ve been interesting to see a reveal where emma endured such a strong traumatic event toward the mid to end of the story, that it cracks through her forced optimism and her naivety, changing her. It would be a great way for her character to eventually be eroded by this world to the point that the writers don’t have this “emma problem”
They could even let her get back to her idealism after that. But it would be a different kind of idealism, more grounded, the one she actually had to make a conscious choice to keep despite everything, had to fight for. But instead Emma just never faces any real challenges to her naïve worldview.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 it would be the other way the series was making bank the puplisers are greedy basterds they would want to co.tinue to make more money for instance naruto (the only time the series gets rushed is if it starts under performing and TPN was not underperforming
@@lalaland9838 it would be the other way the series was making bank the puplisers are greedy basterds they would want to co.tinue to make more money for instance naruto (the only time the series gets rushed is if it starts under performing and TPN was not underperforming
I remember that one theory that floated around the end about the price for Emma to save her family would be for her to get turned into a demon so she can't escape with everyone else. That would have been SO much better than what we got
I think that ending wasn't bad only if it didn't end with ray and connie but with the new generation to be looking for Emma it's sad that the new baby in season one was just that, the ending wasn't bad it just wasn't executed rashly
To be honest I just pretend that the promised neverland was a short series that ended after they escaped the farm. A tight and well-written thriller/fantasy that leaves the ending very open-ended! Oh, and it *definitely* got a great anime adaptation that is a nice one-season-long adaptation of the great short story!
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Yes. We are all imagining things. The manga and anime ended at the escape arc with a bittersweet finale that let the views imagine what the kids would do now in the outside world.
I'm gonna be honest here. I spent almost 100 euros on the complete manga series. Knowing how it went, I told my friend that was about to purchase it to drop it at volume 5
It's such a genuine shame because I'm sure NONE of this was the writers' fault. They all probably had such huge plans and plot twists, development they wanted to do, trauma to introduce, deaths to have meaning, moral dilemmas to be much more severe and frequent. It was probably the publisher who went "You got x amount of chapters and months to get it done soon. Ending and all. Then you're finished. Good luck." Which is so sad for the writer's because they'll most likely get the blame for how rushed and bad the story became.
ikr i feel so bad for the authors 😭😭 i wanna start a fan financed project so that the authors can finally rewrite tnp the way it was « supposed » to be
Nah I think it’s also the authors fault. He allegedly spent years thinking up and writing season 1 of The Promised Neverland, and probably a little bit after it as well. It’s no surprise that the manga falls off after the first (couple) arc(s).
Thank you! He kept showing up and appeared mature enough to get a nice character development, I spent most of the manga looking forward to his reappearance and then...nada
Honestly, this series seemed impossible to write with a weekly release schedule. It was too complicated and took too much thinking a revision to make work without berserk style hiatuses. Honestly hearing the downfall of this series makes me think the best thing for mangas like Berserk is to not have an ending.
the problem is they had too much vision that they made it seem like the first arc was just an appetizer and that the audience should anticipate for more. if they did it like other one season animes where they can just change the enemies as regular humans and escaping is the end goal, it would've been fine.
this is the problem in the manga industry. When the manga gets popular, the mangakas just have to become a chapter producing machine that has to be rushed tnh.
Yeah that is true. I wish they would throw their weight around a bit more and demand more time if they need it. I know that isn't really a popular way of thinking in Japan, and you might get labeled difficult to work with, but if you are popular enough you probably could get away with it.
@@theshockmaster3781 Oda has the best selling manga of all time, he can do whatever he wants. Plus unlike others he has no issues overworking himself for whatever reasons. He shouldn’t do it but he will if he has to. But other mangaka are not lucky enough to be allowed a break, those first few months missing a week or two can kill your series momentum hard.
man, it really felt like the story was SOO DESPERATE for a happy ending where emma's utopia wish comes true, even if it means previous established characters changed on the flick of a switch, what wasted potential
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Isabelles death was one of the most infuriating things I’ve seen she should’ve been redeemed that would offer so much for her character and the fact that Emma is the one talks to her for so long while ray is her Actual Child it pisses me off so much
The worst part for me? The dude that killed her. Where the FUCK did he came from???? Why was he there???? How NOBODY noticed the 5 meter creep coming towards them??? Fuck this whole scene...
Can say as someone who dropped after the goldey pond arc, I'm not that surprised the vibe was shifted over to the "Emma is god and always right". As soon as they got to the base, it felt like Ray was being sidelined and Norman was religated to world building that didn't really matter. Like, Emma was a good character with good morals, but she was only made great by Ray and Norman having different perspectives on what was the best outcome.
My favorite part of Isabella asking Emma if she wants to be a mother is where her hand is. Mom is always checking their left ear to make sure the tracker is intact, but in that scene she holds her right ear not out of caution but out of love. Mom believes Emma no longer wants to escape, so Mom isn’t worried about the tracker she is only worried about Emma’s well-being. She wants what she believes is best for her daughter. She wants her to take the only path known for her to live longer. So there is this sense of joy in Mom when she sees them escape. They are living in a new world thought to be unreachable, and that small little bit I believe is why Isabella was able to keep going, why she was able to become the next Grandma, she had hope again. She didn’t want to survive, she wanted to live.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House. You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series...
@@batmeme9349 Fiiiine but can I ask you about the manga/anime in question. I saw a trailer on funimation and it was the same thing, and it peeked my interest. Can you tell me what's it about
@@bombaymessyasf If you haven't read the manga yet then watch the anime, or maybe read the manga first since the anime did change a major part from the manga. The manga is also in full color. If you want to know more about the serirs then read my first reply, the rest is up to you to find out.
tbh, the only thing that really bothered me was the fact that they reduced Ray from arguably the best character in the show, to Emma's pet just being there trying to mask the regression of his character as character developement. He is honestly one of my favourite characters in all of anime just for how gret and complex he was in the earlier arcs, but I feel we should get a lot more of his relationship with Norman after they reunited and a more detailed and in character view on the problem. He should be the one serving as a bridge between Norman and Emma as Norman was in the first arc, not being like " Yeah, I dont care either way, but Im guess Im gonna side with you Emma"
@i want to commit literal genocide. look the overall quality of the writing definitely dropped after the goldy pond arc and everything felt rushed and random but in reality Ray's character bothered me a lot more because I related and was really attached to his character so yeah that was my biggest concern.
Guys, I think I've found a logical explanation why her _Talk no Jutsu_ is that powerful: Among the three main characters, she has the highest emotional quotient. This translated into a charisma level of 100 post time skip. We just haven't yet been informed about that.
21:49, It's the same thing with Ray. He had been holding his emotions in since he turned six years old, so I expected there to be at least one scene of him letting them out and showing at least Emma and the reader what that was like, but no.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House. You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
The final antagonist of this series should have been Emma herself. Does Emma REALLY want to save her family because it's morally right? Or does she just want some happy neverland where everything goes her way? We have to realize that the very morals we abide by don't agree with our actions and that in order to do the RIGHT thing, we need to do the things we don't like.
Yeah, imagine if zebras had a possibility to kill all lions but some stupid zebra start to force every other zebra to ignore this solution because if she talks with the lions maybe they would stop eating then
@@launcherx2044 kinda, but look at us, why isn't everyone vegan yet despite vegans trying to convince everyone that we don't need meat to survive Emma is basically that one annoying vegan that want to force everyone else into veganism
There is an extra chapter in the manga that explains why the mothers were on their side. Basically, Isabella convinced the rest of the moms in Grace Field to work with for her. She informed them of her plan and gave them a good reason to work with her; the demons had made them compete against each other for so long, when in reality it was them who they had to fight against. She also told them that their children were still alive (she knew because she was the grandma) and that they had a good chance at destroying the farm. To keep her word, she gave them a farewell note Ray had given her before leaving. She told them that if she broke their trust, they could take the note to the higher-ups and say that the reason she let the kids escape was because Ray was her son. So yeah, it wasn’t like the moms just sided with the kids so easily.
So an extra chapter that's presumably optional to read that anyone could skip and it's not included directly in the main story despite it being a pretty important piece of information?
@@poppythedogofwonders While not putting something so important on the main story is absolutely terrible, extra chapters aren't optional, if people decides to skip them that's on them but they exist for a reason, decide to completely ignore them for no reason is on them. That said, again, yes, it should have been in the main story, not having it there shows the terrible structure on the writing.
Still hard to believe that every mom would be convinced The point is Everything is going their way Instead of creating a brilliant plan where things go wrong They create a off screen plan that may or may not make sense And where things go right instead of going wrong It's supposed to be about wit and cunning And taking every little aspect into consideration while planing Instead it's just "we made a plam to get into a place that is surrounded by 2000 soldiers With no way out" But oh hey Daddy lewis is helping us out now and he called them off He who valued hunting over anything and everything is working to help people for some reason It's as bad as ultron being resurrected and immediately helping the avengers and humanity at large
I think what I found most tragic about the Promised Neverland was that the children were absolute geniuses, but they were still just children. They came up with small-scale traps, childish plans, unrealistic hopes, and thought just like a child would. They were geniuses, but they weren't ready for the weight that fell on them. Every carefully thought out plan, lie, or action was easily read by the adults, which made this situation so heartwrenching. The children wanted to survive, to grow up, to protect their family but they were still not enough to stop the adults.
True, but the main problem with this story was it did not have a good answer when one of the characters actually grew up and came up with actionable plans to fix the problem. ie. Norman. Norman's plan was good enough to stop the adults + monsters and their future threats. All the writer could come up with to change his mind was "because Emma said so".
Exactly. One of my favourite panels is the one where Emma is imagining herself on the wall, with little cardboard people and houses on the other side. It perfectly portrays how she understands the concept she has to escape but is still childish about it.
In my opinion, it would've been better if The Promised Neverland was an horror anthology shonen manga. Each and every arc, with different protagonists planning an escape from getting eaten a la Chicken Run but darker, instead of having a confusing and convoluted ass story which makes research on Metal Gear lore look as easy as finding your favorite Pokémon plush buried in a plethora of others.
That woulda been great for that hunting game arc. Each story taking place in the same world and only loosely connecting at best. I'd love an arc of some adults trying to break into the demon world thing and having a brutal time. Stuff like that.
But we get some appearances from the Original gracefield house. Like if we shifted seasons like this then go to the hunting grounds but Emma appears wandering to see a little on what she was up to but not the protag. Then in another we see Lambda but not through Norman POV but we see him around. Then Ray needed something to do in season 2 istg. But maybe seeing another farms FAILED escape and see what the mom system is like more in depth.
One of my biggest problems is Ray. I loved his character in the first arc, he was so interesting and caught my interest real good, He’s Isabells son after all! And then… he was just there, just there chillin and then his mother died and he got done dirty, I mean Isabell was everyone’s mother but Ray… She birthed him and he didn’t get that much attention. Rip Ray, first arc Ray will be forever remembered
it hur me so much to know that ray got no closure. he didnt even get the love isabella gave all the other kids cuz he was her spy and therefore he knew it was all an act. it just hurts that he didnt get to say goodbye to his mom.
A nice 20 chapter arc covering the time skip, showing off all the features and plans forged in the bunker, as well as Emma’s squads progression would’ve been really nice
Emma seems like the Steven Universe of this manga. Lots of build up and promising things and it all gets solved just because the main character wants it to.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House. You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series...
The effects of Shōnen Jump rushing the manga to its conclusion are so obvious, that even readers can see how the story should've gone while they're reading it. It's so disappointing. It's not nearly as bad as the anime, but still.
If this story was given more time to develop, without any problems what we would have ended up with is a more coherent story. With things that will really challenge are characters and maybe lead to the demise of some side characters in Emma's group. An Emma questioning the world as she sees it if escape is truly possible.
Its not about time or rush. It could have the entire time of the world, it would still be bad. What start as mental fight, became a shooter war against monster, more time wouldnt change nothing, it would still be a child dual wielding light machine gun fighting monsters
@@erichdegurechaff9515 But with more time, it could at least have been a calculating type of life or death, or basically like a game of chess, calculating the other's movements or knowing/ creating plans, like deathnote of sorts. (Thoguh, I have not read the manga so excuse my opinion--)
@@Letsnotdothispls In manga it is a war, with guns, humans with super powers. bioweapons. There a scene with a child dual wielding two LMG, like I said, more time wouldnt change this, we would still got shounen fights with the super humans and the absurd gun fights
A lot of people's fan theories before the final chapter was that Emma's sacrifice would be to leave her family and forced to be reborn as an infinite food source for the demons. So it would be revealed that Musica is a reincarnated Emma, and she would never get to see the human world.
Wait but how would that work? It sounds interesting but how could mujika theoretically be Emma reincarnated as a result of the new promise if Emma is actively working with mujika in real time to break the old the promise? (I didn't read the manga so idk if there's stuff there that would help support the theory)
Killing a character and reviving it is really a deal breaker to me in almost every story. If you did once every other death is just lose it's meaning for me. :(
I'm pretty sure that EVERYONE can agree with me here that in the manga (after the children escaped Grace Field) Ray was only there because he showed up in the first season. Ray didn't have any opinions, he only agreed with other people's opinion and comforted everyone else. The only times he actually talked (Even just a little) was when it was just Emma and Ray in one place. For example, when Emma and Ray went in search of The Seven Walls. Ray seemed like a main character, we got to see why he was struggling and how tired he is, that he's human. Not just a emotional-support character for Emma. But after that happens, we hardly get him to talk again. (Also, notice how Ray only actually cries in one of the last chapters.) Most of the time, you'll see Emma and Norman talking-but mostly Emma- and Ray in the background. He was SUCH a big deal in the first season but after that, he blends in with the younger children who also escaped with Emma.
@AxentiumZ omg yes I like this twist more it would've been better for ray to die than being a background character that doesn't even get to talk more unlike before...
This is why I wsd really scared of watching s2 of promised neverland. I never really watched it nor read the manga. But, I do agree with the people in the comment sectionbthat they could've just killed Ray, rather than use him like another background character who barely even has screentime.
@@Despair505 They have done it before. Just look at Naruto’s ending, and FairyTail’s ending. The Kaguya Ark in Naruto is completely written at last minute, Madara was supposed to be the final boss.
I get the impression that the writer started the story wanting to tell a dark story, but once they hit a certain point they got tired of their own angst and just wanted a happy ending. I imagine they could have put out a better shift from gloom to prevailing hope if they hadn't exploded in popularity.
That's definitely feasible. When it comes to shounen jump, it seems authors are always pushed to a happy ending when they make it big. Emma not remembering her family is probably the closes thing to bitersweet an author in shounen jump has gotten away with lol
It’s actually a much different reason. It has been confirmed that Kaiu Shirai wanted more time to tell the story of the promised Neverland, he predicted he needed at least 180ish chapters at a minimum to tell the story however he wanted more time for everything. When the story started declining popularity (not quality) shounen jump forced him to end it as soon as possible which meant he had to leave out key details and rush through events that he normally would’ve given more time to. We can clearly see through the bonus chapters that have since been released after the series ended that Shirai had extra detail and things he wanted to expand upon however he just wasn’t given the proper amount of time to do it which really sucks. I was hoping the anime would be able to add the extra details and fix the less good bits of the plot however season 2 has taken a considerable turn into shit and now all hope for a better version of the promised Neverland has been lost.
It feels as though they couldn't pull the trigger. Aside from the trio. No one truly got any great character development. Gilda, Don, and Phil were put on the sideline most of the time. I really thought at least Don would get killed off. The only one that had substantial development was Yuugo.
I’m not angry bc Tpn had a happy ending, but just how they got to that happy ending. I feel like there were waaaayy to little sacrifices for something like changing that whole world and for saving so many ppl.
it would have been good if they had just kept norman dead and dragged out the time that they lived in the shelter a bit longer and fit some plot in there
Tbh getting a happy ending with too little sacrifices wasn't really a problem in TPN at least for me. Bcuz there were sacrifices, millions of them probably. Since the promise 1000 years ago countless children were killed off to be used as food or a hunting sport like in goldy pond. It's just that we don't really see this , we have to deduce it from the setting of the story using logic.
@@sadkritx6200 Those aren't really sacrifices for the MCs because they couldn't possibly affect all those people dying in the past. Stakes get real when the MCs have something tangible to lose, the people around them. And if they lose nobody and only constantly gain new people, the enemy starts to feel weaker and stupider, and the tension dissipates.
@@dragonfruitreal I do agree to an extent. I think that Norman coming back is really interesting in concept if not executed well. He could have been an interesting foil to Emma since out of every other Emma foil he is the one with the strongest tangible connection to her. They found out the truth together, they worked on an escape plan together, they wanted all their family to escape, and Norman was even willing to sacrifice himself to save all of them. But now everything has changed for them and even though Norman and Emma's plan to escape worked, their lives and goals from then on are completely different. This is a beautiful set up for an interesting character dynamic between Emma Ray and Norman, as their shared experiences at Grace Field House is contrasted to their situations and perspectives now. If they had rolled with this and given more time to these interactions it would have been so much more satisfying and I do agree that more time overall would have have been better too.
The thing I hated is that the writer actually had way more that she wanted to write, there would be WAYY more books. Just the dumb publishing agency wanted them to get it over with as quickly as possible and made her shorten the story by a lot making you not fully connect to the book. I bet it would have been one of the best mangas if the agency didn't make you feel like you were missing a lot of chapters and let her finish it on her own account. But I guess that things could happen like that and you have no choice but to obey if you want to keep publishing your series.
i thought there will be a moment "didnt you think it was too easy?" to reveal she was locked up somewhere with tubes everywhere waking up realizing nothing changed
They ALMOST nailed with that final chapter. When the kids find Emma and she doesn't recognize them somebody suggests that it's not her (especially since also her ID numbers are missing). I think it would be touching if this is how it played out. They would just move on thinking that it's just a girl that looks similar to Emma and she would live the rest of her days with that man she met in the human world. It would keep the sacrifice she made meaningful while also showing that even if the kids would run into her, they wouldn't be able to reconnect with her because she basically became a different person.
I think It is much better if they were to forget about her and since she wants them to be happy and all she would them leave them alone and live with that guy (that's a better way to end it with her being selfless)
Yeah, Tale of the Princess Kaguya (Ghibli masterpiece) had a similar 'memory' dilemma at the end and they absolutely nailed it. This ending, meanwhile, was awful.
What if both the kids and Emma lost their memories but somehow they know there is something missing in their lives, so they try to search for this thing, find each other and feel something, but never realize they found one another? They'll be searching forever but never really reunite (sorry if my English is bad)
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 well the point is that they decided to go anime original for season 2 since the manga ending received backlash but the anime has done nothing but make it worse
kazuo kaneki I don’t know why y’all keep saying that lol. It wasn’t even that. It was the director original idea which they went with it. He mentioned in the interview that both are two media’s that can be enjoyed. Y everybody so he wanted to go anime original during season 2.
It really pissed me off how literally none of the kids barely 10 years old died. They only loose like 5/6 kids by Andrew's hands and that's about it. The second half is just a shitshow
actually a much bigger issue i have with that is 5 people died(or was it 7was the 2 guys that drop dead when they get to exit theirs or their not seen before "allies"?) Lucas, Yuugo and... 3 others. no i'm not forgetting their names. THEY WERE NEVER NAMED TO BEGIN WITH! the 2 kids who go out with the killed kids who are named are the ones who come back alive. heavily wounded sure but alive and they god damn live till the end. it goes back to what the video said: how am i ment to care about the deaths of these charecters when i'm not even made to care about the charecters in the first place?
@@theguyyouhate To be honest i was fully prepared to see most of the cast get killed off one by one - because thats also a huge trope, for various reasons, one of them being way too many characters to develop and write. Which is one of the issues TPN also had. But instead they didnt even bother trying to develop them and just had them act a generic yes man crowd for Emma.
@@GrangerBabeGaming I didn't read the manga, but when I was watching the first season, I kept thinking how impossible it would be to keep 3-5 year olds alive in a hostile outside environment. There was no way, 4 bigger kids would be able to carry all of them to safety when literally everything wants to eat them. I was hoping it would be like AOT where we saw them offed 1 by 1, but unfortunately not only were the 3 main casts plot-armored, so was practically everyone else, even though there should have been conflict at every turn. It could tell by the fact that they all did managed to escape that the story's tension would completely disappear as you know nothing would actually harm them. I really walked away from the series would not too high hopes to begin with, and I saw I was right.
This manga deserves a rewrite tbh. The foreshadowing and world building was set up, the great conflicts and arcs were SO well set up and they just needed to take much more time and ACTUALLY have realistic conflict. It's like 2 different people wrote the first and second halves of the story. I wouldn't even be sad if someone completely stole the content, changed a few names and then just made the resolutions more brutal. Also, Norman was absolutely correct, just because my meat has feelings and intelligence, doesn't mean I don't enjoy the taste of it....
Imagine if the first arc with them escaped really happened but most of the kids got slaughtered by wild demons and we see emas warped thoughts as she is being detained by the demons as one of the only survivors and the last chapter was just us seeing what really happened
I was lowkey hoping the ending would be that Emma becomes a mother and the part where all the kids escaped and create a utopia were part of her imagination
if you want a manga/anime that pulls off this conflict between humans and demons perfectly, try Shiki. the first part sets up humans as the underdog, in the second part they start fighting back by any means possible, and by the end... you really don't know whom to root for anymore
When Emma asked Norman to not commit genocide, it was almost like if Mikasa asked Eren to not do the rumbling and he just said "Ok" edit: ....this is the most likes i have ever gotten wtfff edit2: people just can't take a joke.
Mikasa can be very... I mean at least Annie took jabs at Eren, Mikasa just sat back & wasted time not making a move, until the last min only to be cockblocked by more Titans~
The SUPER rushed pace of the last 4 - 5 chapters are probably because the manga got axed and the author needed to wrap it up. Manga authors are usually given a 4 - 5 chapter notice that their manga is being cancelled/axed and that they'd need to finish up the story in any way possible. Which is why a lot of manga that have a small number of chapters always feel rushed at the very end. That being said, I stopped reading the manga roughly around where Yugo and Lucas died for the very reasons you stated. I was super into this manga when it started but after the first arc it started going down hill... Thanks for this in depth look though, cause I was a little curious how things turned out after I stopped reading and damn that was bad.
@@DarkSharingan21 It was, but about halfway through the manga it started getting really weak. The writing was getting noticeably worse and some of the things that this guy outlined in the video just didn't make sense.
I was personally affronted that ended up being the treatment Rat Man got. Shit, if it was released three years ago it'd probably have been solid competition with MHA
I just finished after it losing me a couple years ago and I think that not reading weekly really helped it flow better for me. Complaints here were valid but I still really enjoyed the manga and the last extra chapter just put a giant smile on my face! 🦒🦒🦒
so basically they built up everything so they could ruin it and then they make it so that all of a sudden isabella doesn’t care to talk to her BIOLOGICAL SON
I mean, not like Isabella cared too much that he was the biological son. We've known from the very beginning that Emma is her favourite. In fact, I don't remember if that was in the manga, but didn't Isabella call him "unloyal dog" minutes before breaking Emma's leg? And and I do remember that he, to himself, called her something like - getting this from my Spanish copy, so it might be wrong - "old shitty woman". But yeah, it would have been amazing that they'd get a chance to talk, to see if there was room for love after all those of years of lying, manipulation and hatred.
Honestly, i think they should have had it end similar to AC that had a very tearful goodbye and a meaningful one this one just seems like "Whoops i got a hole in my gut guess i'ma die gonna let mc talk and not say a word to anyone!"
second arc, norman was the best character of. tbh everyone complied with whatever emma wanted and norman didn’t want that. and he didn’t care what emma said anymore. idc if he was manipulative or a liar. he was the MOST realistic. and emma’s point of view was out of pure privilege
Norman is an amazing character. He was manipulative for sure, but it was for the good of the entire human race . He sacrificed his moral , pride and physical + mental health for doing so . Emma was just straight up stupid and selfish after the goldy pond arc . She used to be one of my fav. She’s acting as if demons were not a threat and didn’t kill her entire fam. I could understand her ideal wanting to live in peace , but she went as far to oppose Norman (who was the biggest victim and her best friend ) to protect them. That , I couldn’t understand. Norman is truly gentle , not kind. Emma was only selfish and foolish, not kind .
norman was good boy but he was too pessimistic, too logic-based action, and kinda ruthless by now hiding behind that sweet smiles, welp its not weird bcs he sees even more messed up stuff from a demon civilization while emma and gang only sees wild demon. But really?! his action is just eren but instead gonna exterminate paradis instead the whole world. His plan didnt even put mr. scribble into consideration bcs i bet civil demon didnt tell the stories anymore thus he didnt even know him. for me ray is much better, norman surely gonna be a villain in normal manga
@@3takoyakis you're actually braindead if you think demons actually shouldnt be exterminated when the only reason they're even sentient is because they ate human brains
I'm kinda sad that I was right when I said that The Promised Neverland's first arc was a complete story with no need to continue past it. I feel bad for people who stuck with it after that
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
I remember being so confused in the second half, thinking I must've zoned out or missed chapters. I had to go back and check, multiple times, that I hadn't missed crucial information. Everything fell into place too easily at the end and it was just so lacklustre and undeserved. The ending was the bow glued to a piece of coal, when the promise WASN'T EVEN KEPT. It left such a bitter taste in my mouth for a series that initially had me on the edge of my seat and desperate for more chapters 😢
Honestly, I’d be okay with everything ending as Emma’s dying dream. This is a world where everyone goes with Emma’s ideals. This is her Neverland. Nothing more.
I thought I was the only one that got disinterested after the first arc. My problem with the latter half was that the small children went from outrunning grown adults to 300ft long monsters. Even the six year old toddlers were running like usain bolt and it completely broke my immersion and interest in the progression of the story. Thanks for this vid.
Is it fiction, it's possible. I say unless the fiction is trying to be realistic and the realism is lost. Say as my problem with Dr. Stone, I love that series, but the language aspect of it does not make sense generally
@@Jerry4281 Even if it's fiction it has to make sense in some way and obey the rules of it's own universe. The world in TPN was never really set up to show that the kids were super humans and so we expect their physical capabilities to be similar to normal humans.
@@didrik0434 So, spoilers for Dr Stone. So, there was russians, Japanese and an American singer, okay so, have you ever played a game of telephone? The same reasoning would be applied here language itself is always an evolving art form the villager's would not be speaking Japanese. Relatively speaking yes Senkus (not) dad was Japanese, but when you all need to know English in order to be an Astronaut they all should know English + their native language not just Japanese/russian. So, relatively speaking the kids should have been taught English since it's a little easier to learn and the stories would not have made sense after some odd 1,000 years or so, let alone 5,000+ where they would be speaking Japanese/English or a language in combination to each other since a game of telephone itself destroys the meaning with like 20-30 people let alone the same stories being told over 5,000+ years or itself that the stories would keep their relative meaning or their intention. So, if it has real world science studying language in this aspect you can't have it one way or the other. I understand it's to progress the story and they need to be able to communicate, but legit logic is flawed here for itself.
Is like if in AOT S1 someone was like "no don't kill the titans they are good people" and we know Hange does but at least everyone else thinks shes a weirdo
As much as I am against the idea myself, I think it has to do something with the fact that the demons have to eat if they dont want to degenerate, if you give choice to a demon of course some of them will try to kill humans but there will also be those who wont which was even in the manga( there was this demon who saved that..the one with wolves) and Emma basically wants to make it so that the demons wont have to eat humans anymore and even for those who might still want to kill humans she wants to make a Promise so that all humans can go to the human world and human world, demon world would be forever apart...
@Ana 76 I know all that about Hange, watched the series + read the manga. I was just joking and putting her as an example was more fitting bc of the way the others characters react to her behaviour. Like when Eren accidentaly transformed and she wanted to get closer while everyone else freaked out
I’ve gotta say. When the show came on Netflix. I binged the entire show in one night. Going through 1 1/2 bags of Doritos and 2 bottles of coke until 2am. It was amazing. Hearing that the show is going off the rails is tragic. Edit: So, a year after writing this. I got around to watching season 2. Wow. So, it was fine up through the end. It told a cohesive story. Even after dropping a lot of the manga. However, the PowerPoint ending felt like a slap to the face. When I saw that Norman, Ray, and Emma were staying behind to free the farms. I was ready for the next season. Not for it to just end. I hope it gets rebooted or something.
And you haven’t even seen the second and final season of the anime. It started off good, it wasn’t the same as season 1 but it was good, but after a while...well, you should see it for yourself (if you want to avoid spoilers)
It would have been so interesting for Emma as a character if she was the only child in the entire tree house who believed in saving the demons. Having to hold on to her convictions against all of her siblings and new friends and Norman himself would have been amazing.
This is factual. This worked at the beginning of the story, it would work again. At least better than this. Shirai was clearly setting up a bigger conflict but likely got rushed by editorial to conclude it
I agree, and not only that, it would really give personality to those characters instead of being plot-driven NPCs that only do what Emma does. Emma is a pacifist that wants to save everyone, so it makes sense for her to go against killing demons, but those kids following her also grew up being food for demons, so surely they would have some conflicts, after all some of them most probably have their loved ones killed just because of those demons.
Man, it sucks to hear that this declined. I was very much expecting a lot more of the kids to die one by one with the situation getting very dire. Sucks that it turned out the way it did
I think it could've been good if the kids didn't die. BUT they have to DO SOMETHING, be CHARACTERS, not jsut be extensions of Emma's will. Good storytelling doesn't come from killing off characters. Good storytelling comes from DOING THINGS with said characters.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Exactly, I was expecting promise neverland to be like the walking dead where you didn’t Know when your favorite character would die. 1 most of the characters I don’t even care about or remember there names and 2 majority them survived. It’s like this dark story truly became a cliche shounen manga. I was pissed off half of the time reading the promise neverland and didn’t even bother watching season 2 (heard it was bad anyways lol)
Yeah, I had a bad feeling ever since Goldie Pond. When they saved literally every kid that got impaled or carved apart or otherwise wrecked by the demons I had already basically accepted that the threat of character death was never real in the first place.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House, you might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
Somehow, Yuugo made it to the bunker in half a day while carrying severely wounded Emma but it took them 4 days to get there with all three of them in perfect condition. Emma didn't die because she had on the thickest plot armor.
@@aeront4r she indeed had the thickest plot armor of all time! We were told and shown how capable Louis was at hunting and killing demons, yet instead of delivering a fatal blow like decapiting or piercing her heart or taking a limb or two he just stabs her in the abdomen?
From start to finish, I really ended up disliking Emma more and more to the point where I was just hoping that the story had the most tragic ending possible to spite her. Despite being extremely idealistic and naïve, she always ended up getting an outcome that was in her favor, even if it didn't necessarily make much sense at all. The lack of turmoil and the ease which Emma was able to survive and reach the best possible outcome for herself time and time again just made me sick. It seemed that with her will alone, Emma was bending the outcome of the story to her own desire, manifesting a greater influence over the plot than even the infamous talk no jutsu. At the start of the story, my favorite character was Ray, because he wasn't just realistic, but considerate and cunning; he was precise and determined. By the end, Emma sapped the "main" out of Ray's character, leaving him as simply a "character." He began to have even less and less influence over the plot than the side characters and went from an independent and stubborn thinker to another yes-man for Emma's whims without any sufficient development in the story to explain this drastic change. And I like how the author kills off a couple of important characters to make it seem like there are stakes, but in reality, there are none. Emma runs the show, and everybody else is there to meet her ridiculous expectations. Considering how long it took the author to write the first arc, maybe he should've given it more time polishing the story before making this manga. I feel like there was so much to explore and better ways to progress the story than we were given, but there just wasn't enough; time, chapters, or depth.
Are mangakas able to take hiatus between chapters to proper prepare them? Maybe he didn’t had the same time for the remaining Story than for the first arc?
@@meoriapeuda9238 20th Century Boys, Billy Bat, Pluto, Monster, Aku no Hana, Bokura no, No Longer Human (anime adaptation is called Aoi Bungaku), Chi no Wadachi, Liar Game, Oyasumi Punpun, Bastard, Madoka, Kaiji, Fire Punch, Chainsaw Man, Girls' Last Tour, Made in Abyss, Houseki no Kuni.
The series final arc lack of consequences beyond Norman and Emma conversation. The fact that the HUMAN world just accepted them. Everyone conceding with Emma's ideology. It's like the author WANTED the series to end. They could have EASILY made this series 400 chapters if it went the opposite direction. Should have chosen the long-running route.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
To be fair, I barely noticed all these obvious flaws at the end of the story, I just rushed through to discover what kind of deal Emma made, what she had to sacrifice. Now that I look at them, they are too big to just overlook them. It certainly wasn't told in a good way. But there was still something. It kinda gave me hope. Sure, Emma didn't go through hardly any change at all and the ending was way more happy than it should've been. But from an emotional point of view, I liked it. Emma and the ending wasn't really a character or a story anymore. It was more like the picture of an ideal. And it made me happy to see that. To see the unwavering believe in healing, peace and hope. To go even against destiny itself. And so on. But of course that doesn't excuse the crappy storytelling and the lack of character arcs.
I agree with the concept you expressed about the concept of unwavering believing in healing, peace and hope. Many people in this comment section seem so hellbent over the fact that it should have ended badly, or somewhat badly, possibly with Emma giving up on her hope or her ideals. It just irks me the wrong way.
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Emma: **talks**
Every character: No no. She's got a point.
Lmaooo ikr 😂
lmfao true though
Everyone: "It's hard to argue with her assessment"
She might be able to outmatch Naruto with her talk no jutsu
Yeah
Someone: *has opinion*
Emma: no
Fr it was like "the Emma show"
She became a massive mary sue, she spews bullshit and the rest of the characters fight among themselves for who can eat the most of that shit.
Twitter in an nutshell
this is why emma got no development at all whatsoever, i hate her.
@@peggyliz9381 not only she got no development, she changed for the worse
The story was like writing an essay with a time limit. The first few paragraphs are clear and well structured. You have 5mins left to write the last few paragraphs.
I never thought there was such a perfect way to put this
this was probably how it went lol.
Basically me during exams. Amazing introduction and story plot but towards the end.....it all goes downhill, BUT the plot is still there
Sadly if shonen doesnt score high in popularity polls, it gets canceled and mangaka have to finish their stories within a few months. Happened with other manga like Hitman Reborn, History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi, Bleach, and many many more.
B=rg
I think the promised neverland is genius because Emma killed the writer and wrote the rest of the story by herself, she was smart enough to know that it was the only way and that any non-meta option wouldn't work
lmao
She was so smart she cross the 4th wall, very few shounen mc can do that
I love it so much opening two is goated as hell rip what they did to the second season at least we got the manga
@@catfighter5879 the manga is barely better cope tpn is disappointing
Emma: “ I want to save the deamons”
The little kids who’s siblings were killed, eaten, and were on the verge of being eaten multiple times, and are most likely traumatized by the events. And the fact that they only met TWO demons who dont eat humans: “Yea let’s go!”
Well I do understand what you mean, Emma not having an intense hatred of Demons is probably due to her being a main character but I don't think it's inherently bad that she didn't want to genocide all Demons. The revelation that they subsist humanoid forms and intelligence from devouring humans is a big distinction as they aren't wild animals that consume humans willy nilly, rather it's to not degenerate into the wild beasts found in the forested areas. Pair that with Emma's group travelling into multiple Demon settlements, all organized, Demon children even populated these areas showing they could copulate. As the Manga itself put it, Demons are a mirror image of humanity almost. When someone's most important value is family, why take that away from another? This was probably the sentiment she had at the turning point of the TPN Manga
Sorry, you probably already read the Manga and know the aforementioned reasons but Musica and Sonju were only an aspect for her character shift but an important one, being the first two demons she had a real conversation with, smiled with, laughed with.
@Moustapha Nour
Much more logical way for them to coexist is killing the adults and brainwashing the off springs into believing humans are good and fair enough so the demons will no longer be a threat but then a again nuking them is a much easier option
@Moustapha Nour But wasn't the matter of coexistence the entire point of the Manga? Literally, when the children return to the human world that had undergrown a multitude of years worth of hardship, it had finally gained unity. The fact of the matter is Demons have their own systems, culture etc that were never shown in depth for the sake of pacing and the fact Musica and her blood exists at all means that there is a means to quell the insatiable hunger they experience. Sure it wouldn't be too realistic per se but the only reason her miraculous appearance hasn't made human meat mute is due to the Nobles and Royalty keeping the populace under their thumb through the control of the plantation's and Demons that genuinely want to keep hunting them like poachers. And with Emma's promise, both worlds will never again interact so saying humans want the land is invalid because they literally can't access it whatsoever and why would they? A lot of it is forests or dunes, who knows if the materials or minerals would be similar to the ones found in the human world? Point is, the Manga poses it is possible and within the context of it's story, it is. It's not about humans nuking all the Demons just cause and breaking the promise but a new one being forged that'd benefit both species
But that's what make her character and her story interesting. Without her selfish naivety there is no internal conflict between she and her brutally pragmatic and more reasonable brother. Also it's not like she doesn't aware about her flaw, often she questioning her own decision after reality hit her naive mind.
@Moustapha Nour the thing is. There was two ways (emma, ray, and norman) had ideas how to deal with it. Neutral would be demons and humans living together. Norman wanted to just kill all of them which is more extreme. Ray was willing to run away with who he loved and leave everyone else behind. The story was setting itself up that ray was being convinced by emma. Emma the idea I thought. Would going to become the new cells for food for demons, lose something precious to her by the demon God to stop the hunger of demons for humans thus also destroying their royal, or the blood of the demons who don't need to eat humans. For some fucking reason. They scrapped all of the ideas and sacrifices and traumas from the story up to gold pond. And made it that emma got whatever the fuck she wanted. She got all humans out the world, demons just accepted arch duke levious as king and brought him back to life (Lol??) And that was it. Worst story ever
Norman: All demons need to die
Emma: No
Norman: Perfectly understandable, have a great day
Norman: "Stupid of me to think for myself. It's not like I have a big brain or anything."
Emma is a Mary sue huh?
@@ahorribleterribleperson yes
@@ahorribleterribleperson nah
@@nemezizthedestroyer5237 how is she not a Mary sue? Can you give me some reasons?
One of the things that always pissed me off so much was how despite Ray being Isabella's BIOLOGICAL SON, they barely interacted when she was literally dying and instead Emma got all the screentime. God, they did Ray so dirty its painful
This.
lmao i completely forgot that he's her biological son
@@momokoasuka7930 I think the author did too
@@prudence433 Araki moment
@@DioDeezBrando nah, Araki at least knows how to write a family drama, look at Jotaro and Jolyne for exemple
I never watched season two because I felt like it had a perfect ending. They wanted to escape the farm and they did. It made me happy to know that they escaped and I didn’t need anything more.
Good season 2 is way worse than the manga
@@Metal_Dragon_ I’m just reading the manga after season 1
dodged a bullet there
That first arc can really be a self contained story if you want it to be, and frankly I think it's a much better story that way.
Reminds me of Mike flannigan’s mini-series in the way that the conclusion felt right and I didn’t need nor want to see a “season 2” or continuation. I liked the way things ended for promised never land season one, both melancholy and hopeful, and everything that came after was disappointing to me.
In the second half I started playing a fun drinking game: drink whenever Ray speaks. I stayed very very sober...
Sad
Look how they massacred my boy
yeah about the time after they escaped, ray felt like an accessory to emma. when norman was thinking about killing all the demons, i thought ray would get involved more, but he just agrees with emma (granted i guess you could consider his "development" was taking less of a cynical approach and accepting optimism).
when emma makes the new promise, ray literally just gets lost af and psychologically tortured without accomplishing anything if i remember correctly.
it's just hilariously tragic that the only reason he was relevant/interesting after all was 1. super rare birth condition 2. being isabella's son.
@@liben5052
First arc Ray: Realist, not willing to take huge risks, very self sacrificing, will stop at nothing to make sure his plans work out
Every other arc: *Why am I not dead yet?*
one of the things I take a bit of issue with in this video is that Emma isn't just an idealist. I mean, she is, but her strength is in knowing, fully and completely, how hard it is to achieve her ideals, and still demanding that they be achieved anyway. it's high risk, high reward, and the interesting thing is honestly how BOTH of the boys react to this. for Norman, achieving what Emma wants is accepted because 1. he loves Emma and wants to make her happy and 2. Norman fundamentally rises to challenge. because of these two things, Norman decides to accept Emma's conditions for success basically right away. but, conspicuously, the fact that Norman wants to save his family is lower on his priority list. it is certainly there... he does want to save them. but he wouldn't have tried if Emma didn't insist.
meanwhile, Ray gave up on Emma's idealistic demands before he even fully considered them. he's been laboring under the assumption that the most he could ever hope for is maybe saving Emma and Norman too... he cares like Emma, but he doesn't gamble. he's the one who really sells us on the idea that if things go wrong, they could lose absolutely everything. why else would he have sat by and let so many of his siblings be taken away, knowing what was really happening to them, for years? he was convinced that it was hopeless... that if he attempted to escape, he might not even survive, much less make it out with anyone else.
really, Emma is the unifying element here. if it weren't for her, Norman wouldn't have thought to try and save everyone, even though he proves that he has the intellectual ability when pushed, and Ray wouldn't have the confidence to try and save everyone, even though he actually can pull it off when he throws caution to the wind and tries his hardest. and this is really interesting, because the person who says "yes" to Emma and enables her pursuit of a perfect solution is Norman, someone who mainly considers things in terms of pragmatism, and simply believes he can solve their conundrum... while the person with the most virulent objections and doubts is Ray, the one who has felt the most grief at each loss, because he actually knew what they were losing the whole time. Ray is jumpy about how much more they might lose if they mess up. how bad it could be if they fail. Norman is intrigued by the challenge of trying, and hasn't been bombarded by loss over such a long period of time the way Ray has.
what I'm saying is that Ray and Emma actually have a lot of grounds on which to connect, and I think the story would've been a lot stronger if it was emphasized that Emma and Ray had gotten closer over their time traveling together. their perspectives align quite a bit, while Norman's mindset was always hinted at being a bit different than the way the other two think. and this would naturally be compounded by Norman's experiences after leaving Gracefield... after he's experienced more situations in which he is helpless, cared about more people that he couldn't save, and related to the grief and anger of more people who had experienced more different kinds of cruelty.
what I was hoping to see when these characters were reunited, was Ray stepping up to the plate and opposing Norman, not even for Emma's sake, but for his own sake. because back at Gracefield, deep down, he wanted to save his whole family. if someone had offered him a surefire way to get every single child out of there, he would've jumped at the chance in an instant. and as he and Emma have traveled and experienced this world, the two of them have gained a more complex understanding of what's going on in it. Emma went to Goldy Pond... she knows the attitudes of the demons that ran it, and how they think. she knows that some demons are just cruel beings who find it thrilling to hunt and kill children. and that didn't stop her from having hope in the idea that demons like Mujika could live in harmony with humans. and I think this is because of how directly Emma has faced all of the villains in this series. Emma faced off against Isabella... someone who offered Emma the opportunity to become just like her. but Emma isn't like her. Emma and Isabella, two humans, are fundamentally different. they could never see eye to eye. Andrew and his team terrorized their group and killed people that Emma mourned (it's really terrible that the writing couldn't reflect this because it's super important for this exact reason). half of Emma's biggest problems have been humans. but humans like herself, and Ray, and her siblings also exist. you can't claim to want to save all of humanity while thinking of them as a homogeneously good population. humans, as a group, are full of individuals, both good and bad. and likewise, you can't vow to eradicate all the demons as if they are a homogeneously evil population... the individuals within their population are just as varied and complicated.
at this point, Emma can't really be characterized as naive... she knows all of the things that a person might say in response to her idealism, in order to dissuade her from it. she knows, and she still wants idealistic things. she's only gotten as far as she has by asking for the impossible, and then trying really hard until she and her family end up pretty near to what she wanted. she is idealistic through effort, in the face of reality, fully aware of how ridiculous her demands may be. in this way, she is stronger than both Ray and Norman. and Ray is the one who actually kind of realizes this, while Norman is probably still assuming that if he was ever going to help Emma get what she wanted, he'd be humoring her. the story up until they reunite with Norman was supposed to be proof that Emma was right about their plan to escape from Gracefield. it wasn't just luck, or a fluke... she was correct that they could do it, and the proof is that they did. Emma has what it takes to work for what she wants. she isn't frivolous. and Norman himself has to display, to her and Ray, what it is that he actually wants... because it's not going to go unchallenged.
It became from this thriller, bloody, and mature manga into a shounen manga where friendship and dedication is the master key for all problems.
Try Shadows House, it has some same aspect and vibes as TPN but at least it's more planned out..
@GGR Makes Even FT is better than this shit because it doesn't pretend. It accepts that it's reeking shit.
@GGR Makes hahaha aot 😂😂
They should have just left it at the escape arc
Yes but that is not the problem. On its own that is not even a remotely bad thing.
I feel like it would've been better if it had an ending where instead of Emma forgetting everyone, that everyone forgot Emma, and she was now alone, but was happy her family survived.
Sooooo I DO like that way more 😲
Maybe Emma and the family never meet back up again, and the family drifts apart without her being the glue to hold it together (Him gets what he wants in the bargain; Emma's family)
I just felt like to show was just about her and not the boys like what was this season 1 amazing season 2 horrible
@@asiaroderick3006 you watched the anime? Anime is worse
@Jess WAIT NOOO PLEASEEE😭
Season 1: Unique and Mysterious
Season 2: Let's just answer everything and turn the whole show into a cliché
That's what mysteries are for
@@TheSoulCalledZuzia No they're not. Revealing answers in anticlamictic way kills the mood.
@@verti3213 Yes, but the comment isn't about it. The comment just talks about answering questions.
Sometimes mysteries shouldn't be answered, yes, but mostly that's NOT the case. They execution is the different matter.
Honestly, Ray had been traumatized by the demons since he was born. I was expecting him to side with Norman because he is the logical and pragmatic one and would have realized that making all demons vegans was impossible. Also, it would show his relationship with Norman, you know, the other person for whom he risked his life. He could have been like "kill all of the demons, minus Sonju and Mujica and we are good fam". Instead, he got reduced to following Emma's lead. They straight up made him a side character.
I would've expected him to stay with Emma, but constantly disagree with her and try to push her to Normans side.
Ray is a tsundere. He's as soft as Emma, but tries to have that stoic nature for survival. Like he said, he never wanted to study and he never liked it, but he had to save his siblings
To get more closure you guys should read tpn chp 181.1 it is centered around ray and his childhood, I kinda teared up reading it..
@@Anu32148 yea I just finished reading it, it made me think "Holy shit, it's because of Ray that literally everything happened!" If it wasn't for him telling Emma and Norman to return little bunny to Connie they would have never know and just be shipped out. That last shot of him holding the bunny and saying "let's begin" or something like that, I liked it. Yea up until chapter 181.1 I had forgotten that Ray literally spent 6 years letting his friends die and how hard that was for him.
At this point I think we can all agree the first season/Arc of the promised Neverland is the best thing in the entire series
And the only thing that might be a 10/10
For those of you who didn't watch the whole thing, here is a tldr:
Everyone: Solving world hunger is impossible...
Emma: Let's solve world hunger!
Everyone: Sure, it's doable.
Truelly what a Mary Sue would say.
@@batmeme9349 learn what a Mary Sue is
@@linaaviles1971 cope
@@linaaviles1971 That is pretty Mary-Sue-ish, not gonna lie. But more of a author self-insert/Messiah Complex than anything.
That was the one problem with Emma. I love the concept of her character and everything but frankly she was just naive and the story seemed to cater to that way too much.
The problem with this manga:
The first arc feels like attack on titan. We don't know anything about the outside and it's all about getting clues one by one.
The rest of the manga is like Fairy Tail. A constant introduction of characters that get forgotten next arc, an incredible abuse of the nakama power and no matter how great the danger is everyone survives without problem
Try Shadows House next, you might find it way better than TPN. The series is like the extended version of TPN first arc but much better and consistant
@@koalabear4964 The manga has a good concept but the execution of the story is garbage. They should've preserve the mystery genre of the series while not sacrificing the shonen aspec. But this is published by Shonen Jump so it will alway go full blown shonen
at least fairy tail is 90% comedy and i honestly think the power of friendship always saving the day is a running joke. It's so cliche i think it may just be a secret parody of shonen anime but maybe thats the optimist in me.
same thoughtttt
@@batmeme9349 @Batmeme Yes! I'm so glad i found someone else who read Shadow house! It's getting an anime by Cloverwork studio too so please look forward to it (○ ㅂ○)/~☆
Mangareaders before watching the anime season 2: What a disappointing ending, I hope the anime fixes it.
Mangareaders after watching the anime season 2: What a wonderfully crafted masterpiece this manga is! Truly marvelous!
Seems legit
I only watched the anime recently and now after watching this review, it feels like the anime is still better. The anime mostly felt like there was stuff missing.
But it looks like most of the stuff missing in the anime is either crap or also missing. Except for chapter 3 of the manga. That one seems more fleshed out.
@@porky1118 As someone who watched/read both, definitely not. The anime took only the worst parts of the manga's final third and somehow made them even worse. Even though I agree with a lot of the criticisms laid out in this video, there were also a lot of good things in the manga that are not all mentioned or discussed here in this video. There are also things laid out as fact here that I think are more a matter of personal taste than actually objective points. And also there's "criticisms" that are just flat wrong or not fully though out. I wouldn't recommend taking this video as evidence of the anime being "better", and even recommend at least trying out the manga for yourself if you enjoyed the anime at all, because it is better and worth reading.
@@HecateWitch13 To sum up what you said - Reading Manga is always a better experience than watching the anime. This needs no debate, it’s something that everyone agrees upon. However in this particular instance, the anime layout is not as frustrating as the manga layout; simply because people go in watching an anime expecting disappointment via bad writing maybe even crap writing, but manga is like the “book of a movie” to an anime, it’s supposed to contain everything, every single little detail of it or at least every important detail that contributes to the plot , which this manga failed to do. I’d say it was more rushed, cause it started of amazing, then went downhill, also never climaxed.
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Ever noticed how all the kids that die are just nameless background characters?
Pretty sure one was called Mary??? Other than that one and the brat in a coma all of them were just less and less mentioned until they vanished
I mean there was conny but she’s this now 🥩
@@melody-cn3wk isnt she more like poop though? Or whatever the demons poop, if they poop that is.
@@co7769 oh right
except for yuugo and his friend that died inside of the shelter
wouldn't emma's sacrifice in the end have been more meaningful if she'd remembered her family but they didn't? because if she just forgets, she won't exactly know what she was missing lol
It's more of a sacrifice for everyone but her. They're just strangers but for her but the the others she was a family to them for so long.
Yeah I would’ve liked that more. Can you imagine Emma’s face and breakdown seeing Ray and Norman be like “who are you?” Sacrifice is losing something or someone for a greater good. That’s her losing her family. That is a true sacrifice. Emma is so used to everyone agreeing with her and being on her side, that having them lose their memories would almost break her tbh. But it would’ve been better!
@@splaat239 exactly, she didn’t sacrifice anything, they did. That’s not exactly selfless sacrifice
When they went to make a new promise and that all mighty demon made a proposal, my guess was that the demon would ask for Emma to stay as compensation for the new promise. Since Emma is all free spirited and very imaginative, staying in that realm would keep that demon entertained for eternity. But instead it asked for memories lol.
Agreed
I really hated how Norman and his team had been planning that shit and thinking about it for so long just to change his mind that fast lmao
I actually really wanted Norman to slap Emma in the face when they were talking about changing Normans mind before they went to the Seven Walls. Even during the first arc when she didnt want to let anyone behind I was like ok you know what, it's reckless and a stupid ass decision but we can make it work. But choosing the stupid ass decision every single time during the whole story? Cmon dude! And then I everything just works out and we never lose anyone important. Not saying Ray or Norman but maybe losing Don or Gilda would have been a bold but acceptable move.
What do you expect Norman's A HUGE simp, if emma wasn't such a DENSE GOOF she would've found out his feeling for her when they were six lol
@@inconspicuoushoodie4504 Yup, but imagine simping for an annoying, righteous bullshit optimist like Emma tho 🤮🤮🤮
@@Lvlaple4Ever Imagine having a "TOP TIER BRAIN" and Simping for Emma, Couldn't be me.
The fact that they didn't have norman make the bold choice to go against Emma and do what he had planned regardless of the damage to their relationship/Emma's feelings is so bizarre to me, like??? The narrative tension? The betrayal? The drama? They could have done so much with that and how it changed their dynamic and the core of each of their morals/values/etc. But no, they just threw it away 🙄
I was pissed off when I learned the anime skipped the goldy pond arc. I felt like that arc has such a huge impact on the story and I feel bad that the creators of TPN got rushed.
Are you FR?! That was the only thing I was looking forward to in the anime.
IT WHAT
I immediately realized that something was wrong when there was a pack of cookies in the room, but no Man.
@@pod4707 That comment is just so funny...
@@pod4707LMAO FRR
Gah, they did Ray so dirty. We spend all that time after they escape building the relationship between him and Emma and getting used to not having Norman anymore but as soon as Norman reappears Ray is shoved into the background. He had opinions of his own way back when but now he only existed to another nodding head to Emma. And I despised how they played down his relationship with Isabella, his BIOLOGICAL MOTHER, for the sake of Emma.
OMG I KNOW, I hate how they did that, I really wanted to see them do more with Ray and his relationship with his Mom. And it sucks that they just made Emma a Mary Sue, having everyone do everything just cause she said so. She could've been such a good female MC.
Actually, Ray’s behaviour is very accurate to child victims of narcissism. When your parents hide things to look good in front of other people and they pressure you to do the same, you will loose affection to your parents.
yeah but they wouldn’t have had a good one
I think it's because the mangaka prolly didn't know what to do with Ray.
Ray exists only a character to give them a weapon to fight back against isabelle in season 1. I didnt think so at first but upon finishing the series its obvious hes just to be a plot twist revalation with OMG HE KNEW ALL ALONG AND WAS PREPARING THE WHOLE TIME!, everything else was just an afterthought.
Manga problem: everything post Goldy Pond is too rushed and under developed.
Solution?: develop this part of the story more in the anime
What the anime actually does: rushes the whole rest of the story and makes the problem even worse
What the actual fuck
How did they screw up so bad?
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 it's such a shame 😭😭
@@lalaland9838 Genuine question, why was the author rushed by Jump? The manga was doing really well and Jump rushing the author seems like a very stupid move
@@dipo7502 they are lying throught their theeth don't listen to thel shonen jump didn't rush shit. If the first arc was so good was because the author planned that shit for years, unlike the rest of the manga.
You forgot to mention in your list how the fearsome queen that slaughtered a bunch of noble demons with ease couldn't kill a single human
aaaaaaaaah
The closest thing to the main villain of the story....killed off within two chapters while abrely doing anything in the story as a whole
What about 12 yo children shooting from two machine guns like rembo
This! I was at first like "ohhhhh she's stronggggg. Sanjoo where are youuuu come help emma"but when the queen was defeated by "mere" hunger and musica explained about the cause of queen's defeat, I was like. It'd be more epic if queen went completely berserk and destroyed half of the city lol
LMAO so true! I had flashbacks from the last seasons of GOT with the whitewalkers
I was, and still am, so disappointed in the fact that nothing was *ever* done with Ayshe. Norman literally killed her father. She hates his guts. I was waiting for the moment she would appear as a secondary villain or at the very least some kind of way to communicate that Demons can love, love *humans*, and humans can love *them*. They *can* coexist. But nah. That's too hard for Emma to solve so it doesn't happen at all.
honestly,thats very difficult. Humans are their source of food
ayshe should be lucky she found a demon who was willing to be her father
the other grace field kids who met mujika and sonju are lucky too as they believe in their religion(we could still see the urge of sonju that he wanted to eat humans)
Sonju at least had a reason. He wanted to go back to the time the humans were competent and able to fight back.
He enjoyed the thrill of the hunt for prey that can fight back and hold their own
@@aceclover758 no that Lewis. Sonjuu just to eat ‘natural’ because it was loophole for his religion.
It makes me really angry that they added so many new kids only so that they can kill them off because they couldnt kill anyone from Emmas "family" only because she didnt want that.
Try Shadows House next, it's prety much like an extended version of TPN first arc.
Ikr it’s so unrealistic Emma is a literal god in this how is she not dead
@@323_iso9 a merry sue
@@batmeme9349 yea exactly a merry sue I liked her in season 1 but in season 2 they ruined her character, when I think of Emma I think of the kind and loving Emma not that annoying bich that calls her self Emma in season 2
@@323_iso9 She's an impostor?😳
Emma: * breathes*
Literally everyone else: that sure is one compelling argument
This is soooo accurate like what the heck?? They literally say at multiple points throughout that they fundamentally disagree with Emma's logic and ideals but then two seconds later say, "omg Emma, anything for you bestie!"
@@nitashabaig404 Righttt. Don’t get me wrong I love Emma and all. Buhh can someone else have a second opinion and actually stick to it for a change lmaoo
Any character: has a different view on something.
Emma: *Yeah we don't do that here*
Norman: "I want to kill all demons!"
Emma: "but don't though"
Norman: "Okaaaay!"
Hahahahahahahaha one of the best things for the world of manga.
My god i almost screamed at the screen on this episode, this was bullshit
Emma ruined it so much. She was a suicidal character that doenst know how the world worked. If they killed her the book would of been over faster
Did...did I find a John Mulaney joke...?
Talk no jutsu
I was really bummed that Norman's escape from Lambda was never shown except in very small tidbits. What did he do once he learned about Vincent? How did they work together and work with the other Lambda kids? How did he discover Smee was on their side?
Norman's cunning and plans were so amazing to read in the first arc, I wanted to see how he would get out of a high security prison like Lambda.
I wanted to see that too. Apparently the author really wanted to include that in the story but couldn’t find a place to fit it in.:(
@@Metal_Dragon_ Kinda seems to be a trend where a lot of great ideas the author had just didnt get included due to not enough time. :(
Yeah like a season, and I mean the WHOLE season, was about them trying to figure out how to escape the farm. Now, Norman gets closed in a laboratory, and he’s like “I guess I’ll escape” like it was a piece of cake. 😮
They can always go back and make a special story as long as interest in the series persists.
@@marcocartaerainnocente7374 the irony is that norman didnt escape from the house and "died", but managed to escape from the secured lab and ITS NOT SHOWED TO US.
Guys! We shouldn't eat humans anymore ok?
SURE!
The biggest joke.
This reminds me so much of the ending of Yu Yu Hakusho except Yu Yu Hakusho was like 50% comedy 50% action whereas Promised Neverland was meant to be horror / some realism / danger, so when in YYH all the demons are able to put aside their hatred for humans and embrace their warrior spirit it feels kind of like bullshit but its fine and in The Promised Neverland its just another fucking shitty cherry on top of a pile of ass-pulls that the series had been doing to make everything work out for Emma forever for like 100 chapters straight
@@RC.- not really. Atleast the diamond had real history with Steven or atleast pink diamond. They only did it because they loved pink diamond. Whereas this is the equivalent of convincing every single human to go vegan. Literally impossible.
@@RC.- But you can excuse it since they consider Steven like their younger sister Pink Diamond and they want to apologize because they think it'ss their fault she disappeared etc. (Even if the fact that they become pacifist like that is so dumb that's true lol), you can always tell yourself they do it for their cute little sister.
Here that's just 100% BS with no excuses.
If you guys want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House, you might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
That reminds me of Steven Universe. *Steven:* Stop being evil *Diamonds:* Ok
I feel sorry for the creators the most. I have heard they had so much to write, so much planned... but the publishing agency turned around all of a sudden and told them they have to wrap it up in a certain amount of chapters and that's that.
It's apparently a thing that happens a lot in the world of manga publishing.
Bingo. The mangaka had the whole story written
3 years prior before he even found an artist to draw it.
There's no way that the original script would have started rushing in the middle until it became a sprint in the end, if there was no amount of space limitations he had to conform to.
Ironic that its the very publishers of manga, who've created the problem of not allowing great stories to be expressed through manga. And it seems like the problem has only been getting worse the more time goes by.
@@kittykat896 exactly! If it started out so strong and was created 3 years prior to being drawn at all- then it would still be strong till the end!
Hence why I'm glad one of the creators have taken the reigns on the 2nd season of the anime, because we know, he might get the chance to show us what he originally intended. Although I don't know how long the anime will get, I would hope that season two gets either a heck more episodes, or we get one or two more seasons.
@@TK_Creative_Studio unfortunately the second season seems to be stepping on the gas more in terms of pacing than the manga did, we can only hope that the creative liberties they’re taking are to tell another side of the story rather than rush through the original
The Promised Neverland Committee rewrote Season 2 of the anime. That is what director Mamoru Kanbe has been deciding since Season 1. But he couldn't rewrite Season 1 cause of several reasons (not allowed to change the story because Season 1 is the debut of the series). And if they changed too much, viewers might not buy the manga. Remember that anime adaptations are created to increase visibility of the manga (in other words, advertising the manga to increase manga sales).
In TPN's case, TPN manga already ended last Spring 2020. After the manga ended on June 15, 2020, TPN director Mamoru Kanbe was allowed to rewrite so he can compress half of Volume 5 and Volumes 6-20 in Season 2.
Why is he compressing? He is compressing so The Promised Neverland Committee can milk the profits from the manga that just finished last year, and so that any Season 1 anime DVD sales can increase. If Season 1 anime DVD increased, they are also hoping increased sales on Season 2 of the anime DVD this year.
The Promised Neverland Committee invited mangaka Kaiu Shirai into the team AFTER the rewrite was already finished. He "supervised" the script and the series composition to supposedly ensure the core elements of TPN (mystery, suspense,) exist in the anime. (This isn't the actual reason, the real reason being strictly PR). But at the end of the day, he can't do any more than "supervising" and approving what has already been done (rewrote). He can't disagree with The Promised Neverland Committee's choices, because they're the ones who bought the rights to the story.
The only benefit the Committee has from Shirai-sensei is his name. Put his name in the credits and manga fans are sure to follow and watch the first few episodes of Season 2. They are gonna be hyped (which is what we have all done) even before Season 2 of the anime premiered, especially because mangaka Kaiu Shirai's name is in the anime as in charge of series composition (hence, script supervision).
But there are also Shueisha staff in the Committee. Shueisha is the publishing house that has rights to sell Shōnen Jump magazine (the magazine where The Promised Neverland used to be serialized on a weekly basis). Shueisha members in the Committee ensure that themes of "friendship, effort, victory" (Shonen Jump's motto) remain intact in Season 2 of the anime. (This isnt the sole reason the other reason is to ensure that the script is created in a particular way in regards to pacing and how much or how little effort and investment will be allocated, as well as how much time/episodes will be available ). So, director Mamoru Kanbe must take TPN manga themes, reuse them in the anime, and speed run by squeezing all these themes in 11 episodes.
Budget is also a big factor. CloverWorks has been established for only over 2 years. They are releasing 3 anime series this Winter 2021 (Horimiya, The Promised Neverland, and Wonder Egg Priority). All the high quality animation that CloverWorks Studio is supposed to inject to "The Promised Neverland Season 2" (if it were getting a proper adaptation and following the manga) were reallocated to:
"Horimiya" - a one-cour comedy and romantic anime series that fans have been waiting for 11 years since the webtoon premiered over a decade ago (and since its manga premiered 8 years ago)
Wonder Egg Priority - a one-cour anime original that CloverWorks Studio is prioritizing because of its traumatic themes: (molestation, harassment, suicides, student-teacher relationships).
So, publishers NEVER learn.
How is Emma gonna get more talking time with Ray’s dying mother than her actual son?
I dunno... maybe because they were actually much closer and Ray never really loved her that much? Like he never seemed to care too much while Emma was really devastated when she learned the truth. Since the beginning she was the most empathic one of the main 3.
@@pieroguy Well he knew the truth since he was a child, of course he won’t be as empathetic as everyone else. He was suffering longer than any other child there and that’s still his mother, he should get to spend to with her before her death…
@@racheal4186 why tho? there is nothing special about their relationship besides the fact that she's his biological mother...
You know that adopted children can be closer to their parents than the biological ones right? Especially since Emma's relationship with her was always much warmer...
I do agree that the mother died too fast and it felt kind of rushed but I do not think that Ray should be in any way privileged about his time with her.
@@pieroguy That’s still doesn’t make up for the fact that emma got like 5 minutes and the moment Ray stepped in she died.. even if there was nothing special about their relationship
@@racheal4186 oh I was talking about the manga xD
Sorry about that... I don't remember exactly how it went in the anime
would’ve been interesting to see a reveal where emma endured such a strong traumatic event toward the mid to end of the story, that it cracks through her forced optimism and her naivety, changing her. It would be a great way for her character to eventually be eroded by this world to the point that the writers don’t have this “emma problem”
They could even let her get back to her idealism after that. But it would be a different kind of idealism, more grounded, the one she actually had to make a conscious choice to keep despite everything, had to fight for. But instead Emma just never faces any real challenges to her naïve worldview.
Or just kill her off because Emma was annoying?
@@annajung1234 yup the common shounen protag problem
I think the majority of problems faced by the manga can basically be summed up into one issue overall: It was rushed.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Xavier Azhar i never mentioned you anywhere so you can actually do that if you want 😜
Publishers are weird
@@lalaland9838 it would be the other way the series was making bank the puplisers are greedy basterds they would want to co.tinue to make more money for instance naruto (the only time the series gets rushed is if it starts under performing and TPN was not underperforming
@@lalaland9838 it would be the other way the series was making bank the puplisers are greedy basterds they would want to co.tinue to make more money for instance naruto (the only time the series gets rushed is if it starts under performing and TPN was not underperforming
I remember that one theory that floated around the end about the price for Emma to save her family would be for her to get turned into a demon so she can't escape with everyone else.
That would have been SO much better than what we got
That might have been the initial plan.
I think that ending wasn't bad only if it didn't end with ray and connie but with the new generation to be looking for Emma it's sad that the new baby in season one was just that, the ending wasn't bad it just wasn't executed rashly
Nah, that's sounds awful
If you already finish reading TPN then you might need to try and read Shadows House next.
@@batmeme9349 i swear, i see you everywhere promoting shadow house in every tpn related comment or video.
To be honest I just pretend that the promised neverland was a short series that ended after they escaped the farm. A tight and well-written thriller/fantasy that leaves the ending very open-ended!
Oh, and it *definitely* got a great anime adaptation that is a nice one-season-long adaptation of the great short story!
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Yes. We are all imagining things. The manga and anime ended at the escape arc with a bittersweet finale that let the views imagine what the kids would do now in the outside world.
I imagine it ended after the goldy pond arc, they just all live in that bunker now in my head
Same
I'm gonna be honest here. I spent almost 100 euros on the complete manga series. Knowing how it went, I told my friend that was about to purchase it to drop it at volume 5
It's such a genuine shame because I'm sure NONE of this was the writers' fault. They all probably had such huge plans and plot twists, development they wanted to do, trauma to introduce, deaths to have meaning, moral dilemmas to be much more severe and frequent. It was probably the publisher who went "You got x amount of chapters and months to get it done soon. Ending and all. Then you're finished. Good luck." Which is so sad for the writer's because they'll most likely get the blame for how rushed and bad the story became.
ikr i feel so bad for the authors 😭😭 i wanna start a fan financed project so that the authors can finally rewrite tnp the way it was « supposed » to be
The author actually confirmed that there was a ton of other stuff he wanted to include but never got the chance.
That breaks my heart
who knows, maybe its actually the writers fault, maybe not
Nah I think it’s also the authors fault. He allegedly spent years thinking up and writing season 1 of The Promised Neverland, and probably a little bit after it as well. It’s no surprise that the manga falls off after the first (couple) arc(s).
Emma: Don't start the rumbling
Eren: I'm sorry mam I was wrong about it
truee
I mean, he DID forgor 💀 about why he did it.
Eren would eat this useless character lol
lmao it's pretty ironic eren says he doesn't know why he did it
@@jb3058 That IS Crazy and the WORST PART of The final of Attack on titan,
I felt bad for all the Phil fans, they built him up to be Ray 2.0 but he does NOTHING.
Fr He got less then 5 minutes of screen time 😭😭😭
No human language can describe the disappointment we’re feeling right now.
He would’ve been a good ray 😔
Thank you! He kept showing up and appeared mature enough to get a nice character development, I spent most of the manga looking forward to his reappearance and then...nada
@@NayelianneVernalle Whaat, there were so many manga readers hyping up Phil during season 1. Was Phil a lie?
Early Neverland: Thriller/Mind battle
Middle Neverland: Survival/Tactical
Late Neverland: Political
Ending Neverland: *IM FAST AS FUCC BOI*
Promised Neverland Ending Speedrun 100%
Ironically the last episode today was so fast that they only could render a slideshow of what was happening at the end
Leaving Neverland: HEEHEE
Honestly, this series seemed impossible to write with a weekly release schedule. It was too complicated and took too much thinking a revision to make work without berserk style hiatuses. Honestly hearing the downfall of this series makes me think the best thing for mangas like Berserk is to not have an ending.
the problem is they had too much vision that they made it seem like the first arc was just an appetizer and that the audience should anticipate for more. if they did it like other one season animes where they can just change the enemies as regular humans and escaping is the end goal, it would've been fine.
They were forced to rush the making of the manga by the publishers, they wrote this manga three years ahead
thats what it sounds like. It really seems like the publishers forced the writing.
@@Sesameking482 one of the most successful Shonen Jump titles of the past decade got axed lmao gtfoh yeh right buddy. Stop spreading misinformation
@@FirmlyGrasp_IT when did I ever say it got axed. I think you reread my comment buddy. I just I added extra information to the main comment.
this is the problem in the manga industry. When the manga gets popular, the mangakas just have to become a chapter producing machine that has to be rushed tnh.
Yeah that is true. I wish they would throw their weight around a bit more and demand more time if they need it. I know that isn't really a popular way of thinking in Japan, and you might get labeled difficult to work with, but if you are popular enough you probably could get away with it.
@@Lilitha11 doesn't Oda do something similar to that?
@@changhyon92 actually no Oda was forced to take breaks because his health was declining from overwork.
@@theshockmaster3781 Oda has the best selling manga of all time, he can do whatever he wants. Plus unlike others he has no issues overworking himself for whatever reasons. He shouldn’t do it but he will if he has to. But other mangaka are not lucky enough to be allowed a break, those first few months missing a week or two can kill your series momentum hard.
And oftentimes when a mangaka or anime writer does get money and clout, they're so burnt out from getting there that they just retire.
man, it really felt like the story was SOO DESPERATE for a happy ending where emma's utopia wish comes true, even if it means previous established characters changed on the flick of a switch,
what wasted potential
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
Holy shit I didn't think I'd ever see u again. I used to love your animations a couple years back. How've u been
Wow! a verified person, If you want a series just like TPN but has a way better plot and story then maybe you should try and read Shadows House.
@@batmeme9349 hmm, looks interesting
@@tragicsense5283 haha sorry bout that, ive just been drowning in commission work in the past few years
Isabelles death was one of the most infuriating things I’ve seen she should’ve been redeemed that would offer so much for her character and the fact that Emma is the one talks to her for so long while ray is her Actual Child it pisses me off so much
If Isabelle participated more in the story other than coming back at last minute and says "I'm good now"
The worst part for me? The dude that killed her. Where the FUCK did he came from???? Why was he there???? How NOBODY noticed the 5 meter creep coming towards them??? Fuck this whole scene...
Wait she died lol. Srry I didn’t read the manga yet
@@melody-cn3wk then why are you watching this video?
@@monkegeneral6029 I just watched the first and second season lmao
Can say as someone who dropped after the goldey pond arc, I'm not that surprised the vibe was shifted over to the "Emma is god and always right". As soon as they got to the base, it felt like Ray was being sidelined and Norman was religated to world building that didn't really matter. Like, Emma was a good character with good morals, but she was only made great by Ray and Norman having different perspectives on what was the best outcome.
My favorite part of Isabella asking Emma if she wants to be a mother is where her hand is. Mom is always checking their left ear to make sure the tracker is intact, but in that scene she holds her right ear not out of caution but out of love. Mom believes Emma no longer wants to escape, so Mom isn’t worried about the tracker she is only worried about Emma’s well-being. She wants what she believes is best for her daughter. She wants her to take the only path known for her to live longer. So there is this sense of joy in Mom when she sees them escape. They are living in a new world thought to be unreachable, and that small little bit I believe is why Isabella was able to keep going, why she was able to become the next Grandma, she had hope again. She didn’t want to survive, she wanted to live.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House.
You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series...
@@batmeme9349 Jeeeeeeeez you've been saying that in a bunch of comments whyyyy
@@bombaymessyasf Cuz I can
@@batmeme9349 Fiiiine but can I ask you about the manga/anime in question. I saw a trailer on funimation and it was the same thing, and it peeked my interest.
Can you tell me what's it about
@@bombaymessyasf If you haven't read the manga yet then watch the anime, or maybe read the manga first since the anime did change a major part from the manga.
The manga is also in full color. If you want to know more about the serirs then read my first reply, the rest is up to you to find out.
tbh, the only thing that really bothered me was the fact that they reduced Ray from arguably the best character in the show, to Emma's pet just being there trying to mask the regression of his character as character developement. He is honestly one of my favourite characters in all of anime just for how gret and complex he was in the earlier arcs, but I feel we should get a lot more of his relationship with Norman after they reunited and a more detailed and in character view on the problem. He should be the one serving as a bridge between Norman and Emma as Norman was in the first arc, not being like " Yeah, I dont care either way, but Im guess Im gonna side with you Emma"
Oh my god yes you're so right
@i want to commit literal genocide. look the overall quality of the writing definitely dropped after the goldy pond arc and everything felt rushed and random but in reality Ray's character bothered me a lot more because I related and was really attached to his character so yeah that was my biggest concern.
Frr after norman came he was treated like a side character
i know right? ray should've been the mc😩👆🏻
@@bootlicker idk about mc but in the first and second arc he was such a complicated character and easily the better of the trio....
When Emma started doing Talk no Jutsu I knew things were bad.
things were already bad the momment the series became a full blown shonen. It just throw the mystery aspect.
When she hugged Sunjoo and he decided that didn’t want to eat them anymore had me rolling
@@smcphee8499 same
Facts when that started happening I was like "oh no not this"
Guys, I think I've found a logical explanation why her _Talk no Jutsu_ is that powerful:
Among the three main characters, she has the highest emotional quotient.
This translated into a charisma level of 100 post time skip.
We just haven't yet been informed about that.
21:49, It's the same thing with Ray. He had been holding his emotions in since he turned six years old, so I expected there to be at least one scene of him letting them out and showing at least Emma and the reader what that was like, but no.
Imma just pretend everything ended in season 1 🕳️🚶♀️
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House.
You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
@@batmeme9349 ooooo where do i read it? and do they have the same creator? or is it just a fan fiction?
@@batmeme9349 Thank you!!
@@lem.n_ How was it?
Guys i havent watch TPN and am deciding to watch it shoulf i watch season 1 only and not season 2 because im hearing its rlly bad
The final antagonist of this series should have been Emma herself.
Does Emma REALLY want to save her family because it's morally right? Or does she just want some happy neverland where everything goes her way? We have to realize that the very morals we abide by don't agree with our actions and that in order to do the RIGHT thing, we need to do the things we don't like.
vilin is demon because demon enemy of emmar.
Yeah, imagine if zebras had a possibility to kill all lions but some stupid zebra start to force every other zebra to ignore this solution because if she talks with the lions maybe they would stop eating then
@@Francorocco I dunno that sounds like a false equivalency, demons don't "need" humans they just turn veral the same can't be said about lions
@@launcherx2044 kinda, but look at us, why isn't everyone vegan yet despite vegans trying to convince everyone that we don't need meat to survive
Emma is basically that one annoying vegan that want to force everyone else into veganism
@@Francorocco which is exactly why there should've been more conflict
Alternate title: *" How The Promised Neverland Broke Its Promise "*
Edit: yo 2k likes wth
Genius
Missed opportunity
I believe he already did the pun with his chapter titles
the promised neverland fans when the neverland isnt promised
The Broken Promised Neverland
There is an extra chapter in the manga that explains why the mothers were on their side. Basically, Isabella convinced the rest of the moms in Grace Field to work with for her. She informed them of her plan and gave them a good reason to work with her; the demons had made them compete against each other for so long, when in reality it was them who they had to fight against. She also told them that their children were still alive (she knew because she was the grandma) and that they had a good chance at destroying the farm. To keep her word, she gave them a farewell note Ray had given her before leaving. She told them that if she broke their trust, they could take the note to the higher-ups and say that the reason she let the kids escape was because Ray was her son. So yeah, it wasn’t like the moms just sided with the kids so easily.
Retcon
So an extra chapter that's presumably optional to read that anyone could skip and it's not included directly in the main story despite it being a pretty important piece of information?
@@poppythedogofwonders While not putting something so important on the main story is absolutely terrible, extra chapters aren't optional, if people decides to skip them that's on them but they exist for a reason, decide to completely ignore them for no reason is on them. That said, again, yes, it should have been in the main story, not having it there shows the terrible structure on the writing.
Still hard to believe that every mom would be convinced
The point is
Everything is going their way
Instead of creating a brilliant plan where things go wrong
They create a off screen plan that may or may not make sense
And where things go right instead of going wrong
It's supposed to be about wit and cunning
And taking every little aspect into consideration while planing
Instead it's just
"we made a plam to get into a place that is surrounded by 2000 soldiers
With no way out"
But oh hey
Daddy lewis is helping us out now and he called them off
He who valued hunting over anything and everything is working to help people for some reason
It's as bad as ultron being resurrected and immediately helping the avengers and humanity at large
I really wish this show had a second season.
Its a shame it absolutely doesn’t.
Yeah what a shame..
so sad :(
PFBTNTNTN yeah so sad 😔 😔
Yea, but headcannons exist :)
The second season of the Promised neverland is on hulu-
(If that's what your talking about-)
I think what I found most tragic about the Promised Neverland was that the children were absolute geniuses, but they were still just children. They came up with small-scale traps, childish plans, unrealistic hopes, and thought just like a child would. They were geniuses, but they weren't ready for the weight that fell on them.
Every carefully thought out plan, lie, or action was easily read by the adults, which made this situation so heartwrenching.
The children wanted to survive, to grow up, to protect their family but they were still not enough to stop the adults.
True, but the main problem with this story was it did not have a good answer when one of the characters actually grew up and came up with actionable plans to fix the problem. ie. Norman. Norman's plan was good enough to stop the adults + monsters and their future threats. All the writer could come up with to change his mind was "because Emma said so".
Exactly. One of my favourite panels is the one where Emma is imagining herself on the wall, with little cardboard people and houses on the other side. It perfectly portrays how she understands the concept she has to escape but is still childish about it.
@@dragonbricks7086 thats the power that women hold over men
Jesus loves you 🙏
@@musicnightmare wars were started over women, fights are started over women, fights are started because of women
We’re gonna need a Promise Neverland: Brotherhood
Because of Isabella
Promised Neverland: Motherhood
Nope, manga version isn't much better.
@@lexiusugrymius9392 yea I kinda don't like the ending of the manga either
@@lexiusugrymius9392 The manga felt rushed but the anime is so obviously just trying to get it done with in just 12 episodes that it’s not even funny
Lets wait 10 or 20 years so they can make the remake version with the same manga plot.
In my opinion, it would've been better if The Promised Neverland was an horror anthology shonen manga. Each and every arc, with different protagonists planning an escape from getting eaten a la Chicken Run but darker, instead of having a confusing and convoluted ass story which makes research on Metal Gear lore look as easy as finding your favorite Pokémon plush buried in a plethora of others.
ohhh i’m interested…it’s a shame we didn’t get to see what the other kids in the other farms did
That woulda been great for that hunting game arc. Each story taking place in the same world and only loosely connecting at best. I'd love an arc of some adults trying to break into the demon world thing and having a brutal time. Stuff like that.
But we get some appearances from the Original gracefield house. Like if we shifted seasons like this then go to the hunting grounds but Emma appears wandering to see a little on what she was up to but not the protag. Then in another we see Lambda but not through Norman POV but we see him around. Then Ray needed something to do in season 2 istg. But maybe seeing another farms FAILED escape and see what the mom system is like more in depth.
One of my biggest problems is Ray.
I loved his character in the first arc, he was so interesting and caught my interest real good, He’s Isabells son after all!
And then… he was just there, just there chillin and then his mother died and he got done dirty, I mean Isabell was everyone’s mother but Ray… She birthed him and he didn’t get that much attention.
Rip Ray, first arc Ray will be forever remembered
I forgot he even exists after escaping grace field
So many panels of people talking with Ray in the corner, just chilling, looking so cool... but doing absolutely nothing significant 😭
oof ikr like now he just chillin in the 2nd arc-
it hur me so much to know that ray got no closure. he didnt even get the love isabella gave all the other kids cuz he was her spy and therefore he knew it was all an act. it just hurts that he didnt get to say goodbye to his mom.
he was such an interesting character on the first few arcs, but then he just become an enabler to whatever emma wants
Plot Twist: Emma has telepathy and controls minds to warp reality to her desire.
That plot twist could almost save this anime/manga
That's not what telekinesis is but OK
@@CantusTropus yea it's telepathy but close enough I guess
Isn’t it Telepathy at that point?
Thats the only fucking explanation lmaoooo
naruto's talk no jutsu: who are you?
emma's talk no jutsu: i'm you, but stronger.
Ha ha no *joke*
compare that to Armin's talk no jutsu lol
Mikasa: talk? Ha! Weak! All I did was exist and my universe's god did what I wanted!
@@youwhat. I don't think Mikasa wanted to kill Eren.
Another garbage friendship anime 😫🤮
A nice 20 chapter arc covering the time skip, showing off all the features and plans forged in the bunker, as well as Emma’s squads progression would’ve been really nice
Agreed maybe one day we could get bonus chapters or light novels about that
@@Metal_Dragon_ it would be amazing, sucks to see one of my favorite ever series advance how it did
@@FreshBOI1579 TPN is still one of my favorite series but I get the criticism for it.
Emma seems like the Steven Universe of this manga. Lots of build up and promising things and it all gets solved just because the main character wants it to.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House.
You might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series...
Bakugo was right all along. Let us all be Bakugo and kill every problem to the ashes! Talk is cheap anyway!
And just like SU it got rushed
@@goose4349 How the Heck is SU rushed?
@@arnowisp6244 CN rushed them cause it got too gay. the wedding scene was pretty much the breaking point.
The effects of Shōnen Jump rushing the manga to its conclusion are so obvious, that even readers can see how the story should've gone while they're reading it. It's so disappointing. It's not nearly as bad as the anime, but still.
If this story was given more time to develop, without any problems what we would have ended up with is a more coherent story. With things that will really challenge are characters and maybe lead to the demise of some side characters in Emma's group. An Emma questioning the world as she sees it if escape is truly possible.
Its not about time or rush. It could have the entire time of the world, it would still be bad. What start as mental fight, became a shooter war against monster, more time wouldnt change nothing, it would still be a child dual wielding light machine gun fighting monsters
@@erichdegurechaff9515 But with more time, it could at least have been a calculating type of life or death, or basically like a game of chess, calculating the other's movements or knowing/ creating plans, like deathnote of sorts. (Thoguh, I have not read the manga so excuse my opinion--)
@@Letsnotdothispls In manga it is a war, with guns, humans with super powers. bioweapons. There a scene with a child dual wielding two LMG, like I said, more time wouldnt change this, we would still got shounen fights with the super humans and the absurd gun fights
@@erichdegurechaff9515I disagree with more time everything could’ve been at least a lot better
A lot of people's fan theories before the final chapter was that Emma's sacrifice would be to leave her family and forced to be reborn as an infinite food source for the demons. So it would be revealed that Musica is a reincarnated Emma, and she would never get to see the human world.
Wow
oh jeez, that makes a lot of sense (and it's way better that what we got)
that would be very interesting!!
That’s so cool
Wait but how would that work? It sounds interesting but how could mujika theoretically be Emma reincarnated as a result of the new promise if Emma is actively working with mujika in real time to break the old the promise? (I didn't read the manga so idk if there's stuff there that would help support the theory)
Killing a character and reviving it is really a deal breaker to me in almost every story. If you did once every other death is just lose it's meaning for me. :(
coming from reading Lewis death and finding so funny that he survived when he has literally no way to survive that lol
I'm pretty sure that EVERYONE can agree with me here that in the manga (after the children escaped Grace Field) Ray was only there because he showed up in the first season. Ray didn't have any opinions, he only agreed with other people's opinion and comforted everyone else. The only times he actually talked (Even just a little) was when it was just Emma and Ray in one place. For example, when Emma and Ray went in search of The Seven Walls. Ray seemed like a main character, we got to see why he was struggling and how tired he is, that he's human. Not just a emotional-support character for Emma.
But after that happens, we hardly get him to talk again. (Also, notice how Ray only actually cries in one of the last chapters.) Most of the time, you'll see Emma and Norman talking-but mostly Emma- and Ray in the background. He was SUCH a big deal in the first season but after that, he blends in with the younger children who also escaped with Emma.
@AxentiumZ omg yes I like this twist more it would've been better for ray to die than being a background character that doesn't even get to talk more unlike before...
This is why I wsd really scared of watching s2 of promised neverland. I never really watched it nor read the manga. But, I do agree with the people in the comment sectionbthat they could've just killed Ray, rather than use him like another background character who barely even has screentime.
Someone said in another comment that the mangaka was gonna make ray die
But Jump wouldn't let him so yeah thats probably why
@@hdmi7121 Seems like everyone in the comments wants to take all blame off the author of the story and place it on Jump because it's easier
@@Despair505
They have done it before. Just look at Naruto’s ending, and FairyTail’s ending. The Kaguya Ark in Naruto is completely written at last minute, Madara was supposed to be the final boss.
I get the impression that the writer started the story wanting to tell a dark story, but once they hit a certain point they got tired of their own angst and just wanted a happy ending. I imagine they could have put out a better shift from gloom to prevailing hope if they hadn't exploded in popularity.
That's definitely feasible. When it comes to shounen jump, it seems authors are always pushed to a happy ending when they make it big. Emma not remembering her family is probably the closes thing to bitersweet an author in shounen jump has gotten away with lol
It’s actually a much different reason. It has been confirmed that Kaiu Shirai wanted more time to tell the story of the promised Neverland, he predicted he needed at least 180ish chapters at a minimum to tell the story however he wanted more time for everything. When the story started declining popularity (not quality) shounen jump forced him to end it as soon as possible which meant he had to leave out key details and rush through events that he normally would’ve given more time to. We can clearly see through the bonus chapters that have since been released after the series ended that Shirai had extra detail and things he wanted to expand upon however he just wasn’t given the proper amount of time to do it which really sucks. I was hoping the anime would be able to add the extra details and fix the less good bits of the plot however season 2 has taken a considerable turn into shit and now all hope for a better version of the promised Neverland has been lost.
@@aussieboy4279 Shonen Jump rushing him was short sighted.
@@aussieboy4279 Link to where he said that please?
It feels as though they couldn't pull the trigger. Aside from the trio. No one truly got any great character development. Gilda, Don, and Phil were put on the sideline most of the time. I really thought at least Don would get killed off. The only one that had substantial development was Yuugo.
I’m not angry bc Tpn had a happy ending, but just how they got to that happy ending. I feel like there were waaaayy to little sacrifices for something like changing that whole world and for saving so many ppl.
it would have been good if they had just kept norman dead and dragged out the time that they lived in the shelter a bit longer and fit some plot in there
Tbh getting a happy ending with too little sacrifices wasn't really a problem in TPN at least for me. Bcuz there were sacrifices, millions of them probably. Since the promise 1000 years ago countless children were killed off to be used as food or a hunting sport like in goldy pond. It's just that we don't really see this , we have to deduce it from the setting of the story using logic.
@@sadkritx6200 Those aren't really sacrifices for the MCs because they couldn't possibly affect all those people dying in the past. Stakes get real when the MCs have something tangible to lose, the people around them. And if they lose nobody and only constantly gain new people, the enemy starts to feel weaker and stupider, and the tension dissipates.
@@dragonfruitreal I do agree to an extent. I think that Norman coming back is really interesting in concept if not executed well. He could have been an interesting foil to Emma since out of every other Emma foil he is the one with the strongest tangible connection to her. They found out the truth together, they worked on an escape plan together, they wanted all their family to escape, and Norman was even willing to sacrifice himself to save all of them. But now everything has changed for them and even though Norman and Emma's plan to escape worked, their lives and goals from then on are completely different. This is a beautiful set up for an interesting character dynamic between Emma Ray and Norman, as their shared experiences at Grace Field House is contrasted to their situations and perspectives now. If they had rolled with this and given more time to these interactions it would have been so much more satisfying and I do agree that more time overall would have have been better too.
The thing I hated is that the writer actually had way more that she wanted to write, there would be WAYY more books. Just the dumb publishing agency wanted them to get it over with as quickly as possible and made her shorten the story by a lot making you not fully connect to the book. I bet it would have been one of the best mangas if the agency didn't make you feel like you were missing a lot of chapters and let her finish it on her own account. But I guess that things could happen like that and you have no choice but to obey if you want to keep publishing your series.
i thought there will be a moment "didnt you think it was too easy?" to reveal she was locked up somewhere with tubes everywhere waking up realizing nothing changed
They ALMOST nailed with that final chapter. When the kids find Emma and she doesn't recognize them somebody suggests that it's not her (especially since also her ID numbers are missing). I think it would be touching if this is how it played out. They would just move on thinking that it's just a girl that looks similar to Emma and she would live the rest of her days with that man she met in the human world.
It would keep the sacrifice she made meaningful while also showing that even if the kids would run into her, they wouldn't be able to reconnect with her because she basically became a different person.
I think It is much better if they were to forget about her and since she wants them to be happy and all she would them leave them alone and live with that guy (that's a better way to end it with her being selfless)
Yeah, Tale of the Princess Kaguya (Ghibli masterpiece) had a similar 'memory' dilemma at the end and they absolutely nailed it. This ending, meanwhile, was awful.
What if both the kids and Emma lost their memories but somehow they know there is something missing in their lives, so they try to search for this thing, find each other and feel something, but never realize they found one another? They'll be searching forever but never really reunite (sorry if my English is bad)
No I would not be able to handle it
but the writer fprgpt that emma already tear off her left ear lol. So it should be easy for them to recognize that is Emma
Even with the manga having wasted potential the anime is definitely not helping
instead of trying to fix the final arc, they brought the entire series to the level of shit that the final arc was
@@incalculas9394 fr
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 well the point is that they decided to go anime original for season 2 since the manga ending received backlash but the anime has done nothing but make it worse
kazuo kaneki I don’t know why y’all keep saying that lol. It wasn’t even that. It was the director original idea which they went with it. He mentioned in the interview that both are two media’s that can be enjoyed. Y everybody so he wanted to go anime original during season 2.
It really pissed me off how literally none of the kids barely 10 years old died. They only loose like 5/6 kids by Andrew's hands and that's about it. The second half is just a shitshow
actually a much bigger issue i have with that is 5 people died(or was it 7was the 2 guys that drop dead when they get to exit theirs or their not seen before "allies"?) Lucas, Yuugo and... 3 others.
no i'm not forgetting their names. THEY WERE NEVER NAMED TO BEGIN WITH! the 2 kids who go out with the killed kids who are named are the ones who come back alive. heavily wounded sure but alive and they god damn live till the end.
it goes back to what the video said: how am i ment to care about the deaths of these charecters when i'm not even made to care about the charecters in the first place?
@@theguyyouhate To be honest i was fully prepared to see most of the cast get killed off one by one - because thats also a huge trope, for various reasons, one of them being way too many characters to develop and write. Which is one of the issues TPN also had. But instead they didnt even bother trying to develop them and just had them act a generic yes man crowd for Emma.
Bruh
@@GrangerBabeGaming I didn't read the manga, but when I was watching the first season, I kept thinking how impossible it would be to keep 3-5 year olds alive in a hostile outside environment. There was no way, 4 bigger kids would be able to carry all of them to safety when literally everything wants to eat them. I was hoping it would be like AOT where we saw them offed 1 by 1, but unfortunately not only were the 3 main casts plot-armored, so was practically everyone else, even though there should have been conflict at every turn. It could tell by the fact that they all did managed to escape that the story's tension would completely disappear as you know nothing would actually harm them. I really walked away from the series would not too high hopes to begin with, and I saw I was right.
I guess because they’re super smart they’re invincible lol
The fact that goldy pond will probably never be animated is so depressing
This manga deserves a rewrite tbh. The foreshadowing and world building was set up, the great conflicts and arcs were SO well set up and they just needed to take much more time and ACTUALLY have realistic conflict. It's like 2 different people wrote the first and second halves of the story. I wouldn't even be sad if someone completely stole the content, changed a few names and then just made the resolutions more brutal. Also, Norman was absolutely correct, just because my meat has feelings and intelligence, doesn't mean I don't enjoy the taste of it....
We need a rewrite
Do those exist?
@@alpha_9997 idk but there has to be a first time for everything…
@@Metal_Dragon_ true
@@alpha_9997 It's called fanfiction
“the promise never lands” is pretty clever tbh
That's genius.
Oh damn
Plot twist...this was all in Emma's head, this was her perfect world was created because ya girl had a mental breakdown and this was her way to cope.
THIS WOULD BE SUCH A GOOD AND SAD ENDING OMG IMAGINE THO?? THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO DEPRESSING
i would imagine that they never got to the human world and all of what was going on was all in her head as a way to cope
Imagine if the first arc with them escaped really happened but most of the kids got slaughtered by wild demons and we see emas warped thoughts as she is being detained by the demons as one of the only survivors and the last chapter was just us seeing what really happened
That’s way better than a forced unrealistic happy ending
I was lowkey hoping the ending would be that Emma becomes a mother and the part where all the kids escaped and create a utopia were part of her imagination
if you want a manga/anime that pulls off this conflict between humans and demons perfectly, try Shiki. the first part sets up humans as the underdog, in the second part they start fighting back by any means possible, and by the end... you really don't know whom to root for anymore
"And I'm so obsessed with FMA that I want it to "F" my "A" "
how... in 18 years have I not heard any variant of this joke before?
HAHA FR THO
pls that caught me off guard-- xd
because most FMA had only one joke, and they tunnel visioned that joke
they are evolving
Exactlyyy
🤣🤣🤣
When Emma asked Norman to not commit genocide, it was almost like if Mikasa asked Eren to not do the rumbling and he just said "Ok"
edit: ....this is the most likes i have ever gotten wtfff
edit2: people just can't take a joke.
Ya- thank god aot didn’t pull that load of crap
@@Suited_Nat Umi da
Mikasa can be very... I mean at least Annie took jabs at Eren, Mikasa just sat back & wasted time not making a move, until the last min only to be cockblocked by more Titans~
@@Brandon-cs8gw Mikasa is fucking trash tier lmao
@@ember-evergarden But why bro?
The SUPER rushed pace of the last 4 - 5 chapters are probably because the manga got axed and the author needed to wrap it up. Manga authors are usually given a 4 - 5 chapter notice that their manga is being cancelled/axed and that they'd need to finish up the story in any way possible. Which is why a lot of manga that have a small number of chapters always feel rushed at the very end.
That being said, I stopped reading the manga roughly around where Yugo and Lucas died for the very reasons you stated. I was super into this manga when it started but after the first arc it started going down hill...
Thanks for this in depth look though, cause I was a little curious how things turned out after I stopped reading and damn that was bad.
Why was it axed? TPN was selling like hot cakes.
I doubt it, it feels like a full story and the author wanted to wrap things up quicker
Damn another axed manga i had plan to read it but after i know this ill pass
@@DarkSharingan21 It was, but about halfway through the manga it started getting really weak. The writing was getting noticeably worse and some of the things that this guy outlined in the video just didn't make sense.
I was personally affronted that ended up being the treatment Rat Man got.
Shit, if it was released three years ago it'd probably have been solid competition with MHA
I just finished after it losing me a couple years ago and I think that not reading weekly really helped it flow better for me. Complaints here were valid but I still really enjoyed the manga and the last extra chapter just put a giant smile on my face! 🦒🦒🦒
Did you read the bonus chapters?
so basically they built up everything so they could ruin it and then they make it so that all of a sudden isabella doesn’t care to talk to her BIOLOGICAL SON
I mean, not like Isabella cared too much that he was the biological son. We've known from the very beginning that Emma is her favourite. In fact, I don't remember if that was in the manga, but didn't Isabella call him "unloyal dog" minutes before breaking Emma's leg? And and I do remember that he, to himself, called her something like - getting this from my Spanish copy, so it might be wrong - "old shitty woman".
But yeah, it would have been amazing that they'd get a chance to talk, to see if there was room for love after all those of years of lying, manipulation and hatred.
Honestly, i think they should have had it end similar to AC that had a very tearful goodbye and a meaningful one this one just seems like "Whoops i got a hole in my gut guess i'ma die gonna let mc talk and not say a word to anyone!"
@@Prince_-vu4wu what’s AC?
@@hxllywoodb Assassination Classroom
@@Prince_-vu4wu ooo i ain’t know niggas called it that
second arc, norman was the best character of. tbh everyone complied with whatever emma wanted and norman didn’t want that. and he didn’t care what emma said anymore. idc if he was manipulative or a liar. he was the MOST realistic. and emma’s point of view was out of pure privilege
I really dislike Manga Norman he's unlikable but realistic sure
@@lol3615 Genocide Norman is amazing because
Norman is an amazing character. He was manipulative for sure, but it was for the good of the entire human race . He sacrificed his moral , pride and physical + mental health for doing so . Emma was just straight up stupid and selfish after the goldy pond arc . She used to be one of my fav. She’s acting as if demons were not a threat and didn’t kill her entire fam. I could understand her ideal wanting to live in peace , but she went as far to oppose Norman (who was the biggest victim and her best friend ) to protect them. That , I couldn’t understand.
Norman is truly gentle , not kind.
Emma was only selfish and foolish, not kind .
norman was good boy but he was too pessimistic, too logic-based action, and kinda ruthless by now
hiding behind that sweet smiles, welp its not weird bcs he sees even more messed up stuff from a demon civilization while emma and gang only sees wild demon. But really?! his action is just eren but instead gonna exterminate paradis instead the whole world. His plan didnt even put mr. scribble into consideration bcs i bet civil demon didnt tell the stories anymore thus he didnt even know him.
for me ray is much better, norman surely gonna be a villain in normal manga
@@3takoyakis you're actually braindead if you think demons actually shouldnt be exterminated when the only reason they're even sentient is because they ate human brains
I'm kinda sad that I was right when I said that The Promised Neverland's first arc was a complete story with no need to continue past it. I feel bad for people who stuck with it after that
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 lmao look at this guy copypasting to lick some boots
Syzler right 😂
Syzler can’t believe it 🤣
That leaves the Mysteries Open
I remember being so confused in the second half, thinking I must've zoned out or missed chapters. I had to go back and check, multiple times, that I hadn't missed crucial information. Everything fell into place too easily at the end and it was just so lacklustre and undeserved. The ending was the bow glued to a piece of coal, when the promise WASN'T EVEN KEPT. It left such a bitter taste in my mouth for a series that initially had me on the edge of my seat and desperate for more chapters 😢
Honestly, I’d be okay with everything ending as Emma’s dying dream. This is a world where everyone goes with Emma’s ideals. This is her Neverland. Nothing more.
Her Promised Neverland! Thanks for watching
@Peanut Butter But maybe better then what we got.
I thought I was the only one that got disinterested after the first arc. My problem with the latter half was that the small children went from outrunning grown adults to 300ft long monsters. Even the six year old toddlers were running like usain bolt and it completely broke my immersion and interest in the progression of the story. Thanks for this vid.
Is it fiction, it's possible.
I say unless the fiction is trying to be realistic and the realism is lost.
Say as my problem with Dr. Stone, I love that series, but the language aspect of it does not make sense generally
@@Jerry4281 what about the language part? You mean when they come to america?
@@Jerry4281 hiding behind fiction can only allow you to stretch the possibilities of your very real life human world so much, it jumped the shark.
@@Jerry4281 Even if it's fiction it has to make sense in some way and obey the rules of it's own universe. The world in TPN was never really set up to show that the kids were super humans and so we expect their physical capabilities to be similar to normal humans.
@@didrik0434 So, spoilers for Dr Stone. So, there was russians, Japanese and an American singer, okay so, have you ever played a game of telephone? The same reasoning would be applied here language itself is always an evolving art form the villager's would not be speaking Japanese. Relatively speaking yes Senkus (not) dad was Japanese, but when you all need to know English in order to be an Astronaut they all should know English + their native language not just Japanese/russian. So, relatively speaking the kids should have been taught English since it's a little easier to learn and the stories would not have made sense after some odd 1,000 years or so, let alone 5,000+ where they would be speaking Japanese/English or a language in combination to each other since a game of telephone itself destroys the meaning with like 20-30 people let alone the same stories being told over 5,000+ years or itself that the stories would keep their relative meaning or their intention. So, if it has real world science studying language in this aspect you can't have it one way or the other. I understand it's to progress the story and they need to be able to communicate, but legit logic is flawed here for itself.
I literally can't understand anyone having the opinion of "No, don't kill the demons" in this world, once they know what's actually going on.
Same
Is like if in AOT S1 someone was like "no don't kill the titans they are good people" and we know Hange does but at least everyone else thinks shes a weirdo
As much as I am against the idea myself, I think it has to do something with the fact that the demons have to eat if they dont want to degenerate, if you give choice to a demon of course some of them will try to kill humans but there will also be those who wont which was even in the manga( there was this demon who saved that..the one with wolves) and Emma basically wants to make it so that the demons wont have to eat humans anymore and even for those who might still want to kill humans she wants to make a Promise so that all humans can go to the human world and human world, demon world would be forever apart...
@Ana 76 I know all that about Hange, watched the series + read the manga. I was just joking and putting her as an example was more fitting bc of the way the others characters react to her behaviour. Like when Eren accidentaly transformed and she wanted to get closer while everyone else freaked out
@@lilliesinthegard32 Hange gender is not comfirmed, so *they
I like how there’s just Isabella’s lullaby playing in the background at like around 4 min.
I feel like maybe a war arc between Norman and Emma would be interesting also Emma having to eventually kill Norman would be heartbreaking
That would be a better for the arc well for me atleast
@@CleBiscuits agree
Or plot twist... Norman kills her and becomes MC now.
"This was going to be great."
THEN EVERYTHING CHANGED WHEN THE FIRE NATION ATTACKED
Everything changed when the time-skip attacked
rather "then everything changed when the author gave the script to Emma to play with it as she desired"
Everything changed When the publishers attacked
LMAO
I’ve gotta say. When the show came on Netflix. I binged the entire show in one night. Going through 1 1/2 bags of Doritos and 2 bottles of coke until 2am. It was amazing. Hearing that the show is going off the rails is tragic.
Edit: So, a year after writing this. I got around to watching season 2. Wow. So, it was fine up through the end. It told a cohesive story. Even after dropping a lot of the manga. However, the PowerPoint ending felt like a slap to the face. When I saw that Norman, Ray, and Emma were staying behind to free the farms. I was ready for the next season. Not for it to just end. I hope it gets rebooted or something.
And you haven’t even seen the second and final season of the anime. It started off good, it wasn’t the same as season 1 but it was good, but after a while...well, you should see it for yourself (if you want to avoid spoilers)
@@sengiko I haven't seen it since it's bad should I avoid it? I haven't read the manga either. But it is in my to watch list.
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@@hawkeye171 watch it.. it sucks but at least ull get closure from it, it wraps up the anime fine but still.. sucks
@@antagonist7 I haven't seen the first season either
Tbh I can't help but be happy for Emma and her family. It kind of gives me a feeling that the writer didn't want to harm their own characters anymore.
emma: “let’s save the demons!”
everyone else whose lives have been shredded by the demons: _”ight bro we got you”_
It would have been so interesting for Emma as a character if she was the only child in the entire tree house who believed in saving the demons. Having to hold on to her convictions against all of her siblings and new friends and Norman himself would have been amazing.
This is factual. This worked at the beginning of the story, it would work again. At least better than this.
Shirai was clearly setting up a bigger conflict but likely got rushed by editorial to conclude it
I agree, and not only that, it would really give personality to those characters instead of being plot-driven NPCs that only do what Emma does. Emma is a pacifist that wants to save everyone, so it makes sense for her to go against killing demons, but those kids following her also grew up being food for demons, so surely they would have some conflicts, after all some of them most probably have their loved ones killed just because of those demons.
Man, it sucks to hear that this declined. I was very much expecting a lot more of the kids to die one by one with the situation getting very dire. Sucks that it turned out the way it did
yeah its wild to think that a group of completely untrained children survived in the wild for any period of time without any casualties.
I think it could've been good if the kids didn't die. BUT they have to DO SOMETHING, be CHARACTERS, not jsut be extensions of Emma's will.
Good storytelling doesn't come from killing off characters. Good storytelling comes from DOING THINGS with said characters.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
@@lalaland9838 The nerve of Shonen Jump for making him rush the series .
Exactly, I was expecting promise neverland to be like the walking dead where you didn’t Know when your favorite character would die. 1 most of the characters I don’t even care about or remember there names and 2 majority them survived. It’s like this dark story truly became a cliche shounen manga. I was pissed off half of the time reading the promise neverland and didn’t even bother watching season 2 (heard it was bad anyways lol)
It sucks isabella didnt get to talk to Ray really very much before she kicked it
Yeah, I had a bad feeling ever since Goldie Pond. When they saved literally every kid that got impaled or carved apart or otherwise wrecked by the demons I had already basically accepted that the threat of character death was never real in the first place.
If you want an extended version of TPN first arc then maybe you should try and read Shadows House, you might find it even better than TPN in terms of story, plot and the consistency of the horror/mystery aspec of the series.
This perfectly described my confusion after the Goldy Pond arc.
Somehow, Yuugo made it to the bunker in half a day while carrying severely wounded Emma but it took them 4 days to get there with all three of them in perfect condition. Emma didn't die because she had on the thickest plot armor.
@@aeront4r She stood up after a stab to her liver too lmao
@@aeront4r she indeed had the thickest plot armor of all time! We were told and shown how capable Louis was at hunting and killing demons, yet instead of delivering a fatal blow like decapiting or piercing her heart or taking a limb or two he just stabs her in the abdomen?
From start to finish, I really ended up disliking Emma more and more to the point where I was just hoping that the story had the most tragic ending possible to spite her. Despite being extremely idealistic and naïve, she always ended up getting an outcome that was in her favor, even if it didn't necessarily make much sense at all. The lack of turmoil and the ease which Emma was able to survive and reach the best possible outcome for herself time and time again just made me sick. It seemed that with her will alone, Emma was bending the outcome of the story to her own desire, manifesting a greater influence over the plot than even the infamous talk no jutsu.
At the start of the story, my favorite character was Ray, because he wasn't just realistic, but considerate and cunning; he was precise and determined. By the end, Emma sapped the "main" out of Ray's character, leaving him as simply a "character." He began to have even less and less influence over the plot than the side characters and went from an independent and stubborn thinker to another yes-man for Emma's whims without any sufficient development in the story to explain this drastic change.
And I like how the author kills off a couple of important characters to make it seem like there are stakes, but in reality, there are none. Emma runs the show, and everybody else is there to meet her ridiculous expectations.
Considering how long it took the author to write the first arc, maybe he should've given it more time polishing the story before making this manga. I feel like there was so much to explore and better ways to progress the story than we were given, but there just wasn't enough; time, chapters, or depth.
Try Shadows House, it has some same aspect and vibes as TPN but at least it's more planned out.
Are mangakas able to take hiatus between chapters to proper prepare them? Maybe he didn’t had the same time for the remaining Story than for the first arc?
would LOVE to see Emma try to pull that talk no jutsu reality-warping crap in the AoT world.
Batmeme i read that but i think the storytelling is quite bland, got no suspense. Do you have more recommendations?
@@meoriapeuda9238 20th Century Boys, Billy Bat, Pluto, Monster, Aku no Hana, Bokura no, No Longer Human (anime adaptation is called Aoi Bungaku), Chi no Wadachi, Liar Game, Oyasumi Punpun, Bastard, Madoka, Kaiji, Fire Punch, Chainsaw Man, Girls' Last Tour, Made in Abyss, Houseki no Kuni.
The series final arc lack of consequences beyond Norman and Emma conversation. The fact that the HUMAN world just accepted them. Everyone conceding with Emma's ideology. It's like the author WANTED the series to end. They could have EASILY made this series 400 chapters if it went the opposite direction. Should have chosen the long-running route.
At least we got a happy ending.
Don't know what I would do if emma or ray actually died.
The fact that the human world just accepted them didn't bug me.
Well the author was rushed even though the series was selling very well. That was the main problem. Even the author mentioned in a interview that he planned the first arc for 6 years. Literally top 10 best selling series from 2016-2020 even won awards before the anime. And to add even the one piece and my hero authors praised it. And 25 millions copies sold worldwide up to now and got nominated for an award against demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen for 2021
I am human born here, but world doesn't accept me. Emma is lucky (lol ). And
It's not the author; it's the publishing company. This happens far too much in the manga industry. This isn't something new, and it's sad.
To be fair, I barely noticed all these obvious flaws at the end of the story, I just rushed through to discover what kind of deal Emma made, what she had to sacrifice. Now that I look at them, they are too big to just overlook them. It certainly wasn't told in a good way. But there was still something. It kinda gave me hope. Sure, Emma didn't go through hardly any change at all and the ending was way more happy than it should've been. But from an emotional point of view, I liked it. Emma and the ending wasn't really a character or a story anymore. It was more like the picture of an ideal. And it made me happy to see that. To see the unwavering believe in healing, peace and hope. To go even against destiny itself. And so on. But of course that doesn't excuse the crappy storytelling and the lack of character arcs.
I agree with the concept you expressed about the concept of unwavering believing in healing, peace and hope. Many people in this comment section seem so hellbent over the fact that it should have ended badly, or somewhat badly, possibly with Emma giving up on her hope or her ideals. It just irks me the wrong way.