The 1918 Pandemic Never Ended

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    The 1918 pandemic infected over 500 million people, but the virus that caused it didn't stop in 1918.
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  • @Dontlicktheballoons
    @Dontlicktheballoons Год назад +1765

    My great grandmother would tell us stories about when the 1918 flu hit Virginia when she was a little girl. No one in our immediate family passed away from it but almost the entire town was bed ridden at 1 point or another. Neighbors would slide meals in through the windows of the sick people's houses, only to then have those neighbors get well and return the favor days or weeks later. She would tell us stories of being only 5 years old but being the only one well enough to go retrieve water from the outdoor well and bring it in one ladlefull at a time.

    • @lohphat
      @lohphat Год назад

      The odds were that every family least at least one member. It was so virulent, that if you had symptoms in the morning, you were dead by the same evening if you were vulnerable. It was the "cytokine storm" from the immune system which filled the victim's lungs quickly and they essentially drowned to death.

    • @animatrix1851
      @animatrix1851 Год назад +88

      this is basically how covid was where i'm at

    • @NecrochildK
      @NecrochildK Год назад +37

      I love your story. XD Though I'm left wondering why she didn't use a bucket, bowl or pitcher to fill at the well and bring in instead of going back and forth so much with just a ladle.

    • @ericajohnson3504
      @ericajohnson3504 Год назад +115

      @@NecrochildK I guess that as she was only 5 , a ladle would be the only thing she could carry without spilling the water, or that she couldn't carry anything heavier.

    • @1IGG
      @1IGG Год назад +80

      @@NecrochildK because water is heavy.

  • @Evergreen64
    @Evergreen64 Год назад +1109

    They knew in 1918 that they weren't dealing with any known bacteria. They had ways to filter out bacteria and they still retained the infectious agent. But it wasn't till the 1930's that the first electron microscope was developed that they were able to see the first virus.

    • @jackprier7727
      @jackprier7727 Год назад

      Such things later named "virus" were called "filterable elements" because they would pass through a porcelain filter (!!) and still cause disease-

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 Год назад

      pretty sure they knew of viruses before electron microscopes.
      The Russians were using page therapy before Flemming in 1925

    • @BrambleGlade
      @BrambleGlade Год назад +84

      thank you for the explanation! I had no idea viruses were seen so recently; crazy to think about how far medical knowledge has come in just the last 100 years...

    • @zachj7953
      @zachj7953 Год назад +102

      Imagine how terrifying it must've been to look down to such an absurdly small scale only to realize you are in fact surrounded

    • @misanthropichumanist4782
      @misanthropichumanist4782 Год назад +42

      @@zachj7953
      Yeah. Lovecraft in miniature! 😬

  • @lynndonbarr3153
    @lynndonbarr3153 Год назад +629

    I got sick from the 2009 h1n1 flu. I remember that the day when I got sick also coincided with one of the hottest summer days that year, so I was already dehydrated from being outside in the heat, and I wondered why I wasn't getting better after a day inside drinking fluids.
    Thankfully I was living with a roommate at the time, because I woke up in the hospital days later. I have momentary memories of waking up while they changed my IV fluids. Hands down the worst experience of my life. I genuinely thought I was going to die, and would have if not for my roommate calling an ambulance.

    • @alyseandrews1066
      @alyseandrews1066 Год назад +17

      Me too! It was miserable!

    • @paposeco06
      @paposeco06 Год назад +24

      And so did I. To this day, the worst flu I ever got. Even worse than COVID in my opinion.

    • @amberbydreamsart5467
      @amberbydreamsart5467 Год назад +27

      Y'know, I'd almost completely forgotten that I did get swine flu! I was in middle school at the time, I caught it from the last week of school vacation to the local theme park. I must've still had that early-flu-exposure child magic because it was utterly unimpressive for me - I had a fever and muscle ache the first day, but once I got some acetominaphin in to reduce the fever I felt like I had a mild cold for a week. I was mostly pissed because I came down with it the first day of summer break and my parents, being responsible adults, made me quarantine inside the whole time I was sick.
      I did play like 60 hours of FFXII that week though

    • @Beaver550
      @Beaver550 Год назад +46

      I got sick from H1N1 in February 2010 just as I turned 50 years old. It was miserable. I ended up with pneumonia in both lungs that almost did me in. I missed 6 weeks of work and was quite weak for months. My lungs have never been the same since. The experience taught me the value of getting vaccinated when they become available (which I had previously neglected to do).

    • @adamhawn2523
      @adamhawn2523 Год назад

      Drink more water bro

  • @_maxgray
    @_maxgray Год назад +674

    I nearly died during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and tons of my friends got really sick. It blows my mind that so many people seem to have forgotten it happened.

    • @KNR90
      @KNR90 Год назад

      They didn't. After SARS and H1N1, people (stupid ones) began believing they were all over hyped and not a big deal because they never got sick and they didn't go full pandemic. These are the people who, when Covid hit, remembered that and thought the same thing was happening. That's why there were mass graves, because the stupid ones remembered not getting sick those times.

    • @ethanstump
      @ethanstump Год назад +42

      It's partly because either a lot of people were too young for them to remember, or to old for it to really make an impact. I remember thats around the time I got my tonsils out, but I don't remember the exact details, as my memories of junior high were fuzzy, as I was going through health challenges and depression at the time. (Lol yeah, that's what happens when you get sick)

    • @ethanstump
      @ethanstump Год назад +63

      Not to mention that when people bring up 2008, usually it's in reference to the crash. It really is crazy to me at how much economic crashes and outbreaks seem to go hand in hand both historically and today. From what I just looked up, it's mostly because while swine flu was far more infectious than regular flu, but it wasn't more deadly than regular flu season. This meant that people treated it more like a particularly bad flu season, rather than a separate event.

    • @189Blake
      @189Blake Год назад +38

      I remember it very clearly. I was 16 years old and Mexico City went into lockdown for 3 weeks. I remember watching the news and seeing the infections rise on TV, asking my mom if everything was going to be alright. For me COVID was a déjà vu from those times.

    • @1IGG
      @1IGG Год назад

      Dude, people already forgot millions dying of Covid. The human race isn't particularly smart.

  • @markmaurer6370
    @markmaurer6370 Год назад +584

    My great-grandfather was an ambulance driver in WW1 and he caught the flu and while he was in the sanatorium his ambulance group was wiped out... The flu saved his life

    • @peggedyourdad9560
      @peggedyourdad9560 Год назад +40

      That wasn't luck, that was divine intervention.

    • @borttorbbq2556
      @borttorbbq2556 Год назад

      @@peggedyourdad9560 yeah divine intervention from a crackpot.

    • @borttorbbq2556
      @borttorbbq2556 Год назад +47

      That's bittersweet to say the least

    • @thewafflehouse841
      @thewafflehouse841 Год назад +21

      Well it depends he probably got lucky from not dying from the flu well unless he got it before 1918 then he had a better chance of survival but after it for some odd reason it just became deadlier we don't know why best guess is it became deadlier from well the great war when it hit the trenches and men who were gassed and well the chemical warfare can cause severe mutigenic effects

    • @borttorbbq2556
      @borttorbbq2556 Год назад

      @@thewafflehouse841 no not really. Was so dangerous out of the gate because one it was a highly virulent strain but to it is also a detail people forget is that when a virus jumps species generally speaking it is significantly more dangerous and then tapers off look at the covid stuff the symptoms and the severity has gone down even in unvaccinated individuals

  • @kathyastrom1315
    @kathyastrom1315 Год назад +575

    In November 1918, my grandmother’s little sister Hazel died from the flu, just 18 months old. I recently got a stash of family photos from my father, and in it is a picture of two ~1 year old babies with the name “Hazel” on the back. I don’t know which of the two is her, but that just might be the only photo of her. Thinking about that gives me a bit of a shock when I consider the fleeting nature of our existence on this planet.

    • @lucycarin
      @lucycarin Год назад +23

      As a kid mid 1950s, my mom inherited post cards from her uncle. The years from 1905-1930s. They also write of having a relative dying in 1919.

    • @klimtkahlo
      @klimtkahlo Год назад +25

      @@lucycarin in Portugal there are cemeteries with entire families and their servants having all died during that period of pneumonic flu.

    • @thewafflehouse841
      @thewafflehouse841 Год назад +9

      @@klimtkahlo yip the Spanish flu was utterly devastating were it would use your immune system against itself the stronger your immune system the worse off you are and many died from turning blue at this point at the time of the Spanish flue was a death sentence
      Edit turning blue means your system has launched a cytokine storm were the immune system launches literally anything and everything to kill the invader but commonly would result in the death or debilitating of the person afflicted

    • @jamielonsdale3018
      @jamielonsdale3018 Год назад +16

      Any chance she was the only one in the photo that wasnt slightly blurry?
      In 1918, it wasn't uncommon to take a photo with a family member whom had just passed. Often, that was the only time a family would have their photo taken. Cameras took much longer to take a photo, so you would have to hold a pose for an extended period of time. Often, a hidden rest would be used to help a person maintain the same pose without moving.
      For obvious reasons, the dead had no difficulty with staying still, and so they would be the only person who wasn't blurred slightly from very small movements during the film's exposure.

    • @msjkramey
      @msjkramey Год назад +5

      @@jamielonsdale3018 that's so cool and a little creepy

  • @romxxii
    @romxxii Год назад +111

    The saddest bit is not only did the pandemic stick around and become part of our new normal, but the blatant disregard for public safety was also quite common back then. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    • @nahor88
      @nahor88 Год назад

      What blatant disregard today are you referring to? If anything, the reaction to Covid was WAY overblown. The way more practical solution was to ask high risk people to stay home and allow the world to continue operating as normal. The percentage of high risk to non-high risk was so infinitesimal. So many young small business owners had their lives tanked asking everyone to stay home. It should have been left completely up to the people to self-evaluate the level of risk for themselves. If you're a low risk person that could also spread it to someone high-risk that you interact with often, you should also stay home.
      I'm a young, healthy person. I caught Covid, I felt off for a week, and now have had 3 Covid shots. The only thing that happened was I lost 2 years of my youth thanks to the government taking away my free will.
      We allow people to get behind the wheel of a death machine every day, and put the lives of others at risk on their own decision making.

    • @mattsmolinski595
      @mattsmolinski595 Год назад +1

      Element is Vegan friendly? You mean no pig intestine is in it. How could it be anything else. Key words to get you to buy.

    • @evil1by1
      @evil1by1 6 месяцев назад

      You say that as if there was any other outcome.
      How long exactly do you think humans can survive being locked down? Oh you mean an incomplete lock down where 80 percent of people have to work because they are essential.... yeah I'm sure no disease will spread there.
      Even if you did somehow perfectly lock down every person ... can you make the rest of globe do the same? Look at new Zealand. Sure they kept it out and locked down so hard it smothered any transient cases but the rest of the world didn't or couldn't. As soon as they opened up for any reason, in marched disease. Is your solution permanent isolation? Like when the us shut it borders except where it would be "racist" not to allow undocumented people to just waltz in. So I guess you think we can do the New Zealand thing while also having open borders and international travel so long as the travel is to or from brown nations. Because that's going to contain a disease how? That doesn't make any sense at all but ok.
      Ah the vaccine. The vaccine that doesn't stop transmission or reduce disease severity. That'll what some how stop the spread by not stopping the spread. Really aside from polio and small pox when exactly has vaccination eliminated disease? It doesn't. Im not saying don't get vaccines but in the context of a novel disease becoming a pandemic and then endemic vaccines dont really stop that. More than anything anymore vaccines mitigate symptoms more so than than stopping transmission. You know what else does that... time and exposure. Thats the natural evolutionary path of most viruses, they start bad and eventually turn into a variant thats much less harmful so it can spread widely without killing its host. Yes I'm aware the fear mongering are desperate to claim that the law of declining virulence isn't true keep only using covid 19 as an example despite it being less lethal now than at the onset. The only cases where it isnt true involve human interference and the viruses mutations to evade our interventions leading to worsening disease.
      Like it or not this was always the outcome of any pandemic and it was foolhardy to think we could actually put that genie back in the bottle.

  • @Tempo_Topos
    @Tempo_Topos Год назад +90

    My grandmother was a little girl during the 1918 flu pandemic. She said she only had two types of nightmare as a kid: about the flu and about the kaiser (the last emperor of Germany).

    • @tomasparriles6440
      @tomasparriles6440 Год назад

      The kaiser? Why?

    • @Braun09tv
      @Braun09tv Год назад +2

      @@tomasparriles6440 because he was not a feminist?

    • @ryanfarrelly4647
      @ryanfarrelly4647 Год назад

      @@tomasparriles6440 Maybe propoganda that caused her to fear Germans/Kaiser Wilhem II

    • @Tempo_Topos
      @Tempo_Topos Год назад +7

      @@tomasparriles6440 Because during World War I he was the most well known leader of the Central Powers, who were at war with the Allied Powers, which included the USA (my grandmother was American).

    • @tomasparriles6440
      @tomasparriles6440 Год назад +2

      @@Tempo_Topos Thanks for explain that, i guess the fear comes from the papers.....

  • @rossplendent
    @rossplendent Год назад +364

    Quick correction: at around 3:00, the animation zooms into an infected cell to show whole viruses being targeted by antibodies inside the cell. In reality, antibodies don't enter infected cells. They bind to antigens presented on the *outside* of the cell, which were brought there by the major histocompatibility complex (MHC).
    This is one of the main reasons SARS-CoV-2 is so tricky for our immune systems: once inside your cells, the virus quickly suppresses MHC expression, meaning antigens are hard to come by, and infected cells aren't easily recognized.

    • @Darkmattermonkey77
      @Darkmattermonkey77 Год назад +13

      Just like chiropractors, pretending to be doctors.

    • @bjornschafer8028
      @bjornschafer8028 Год назад +56

      Not to mention the Fc region binding to the antigen too 3:12 💀

    • @mickeydangerez
      @mickeydangerez Год назад +4

      They also say humans didnt' know about viruses until 1930 lol

    • @katybechnikova2821
      @katybechnikova2821 Год назад +1

      Isn't there a way to recognize and kill cells without MHC?

    • @juliekorsbk4221
      @juliekorsbk4221 Год назад +4

      And the virus still has its membrane inside this cell.

  • @davetaylor2088
    @davetaylor2088 Год назад +114

    Great video. I have only had one influenza infection in my life. I was living by myself at the time. Every joint in my body hurt for days and the soles of my feet came off in one piece. I was so sick I couldn't get to the doctor and my employer got cranky because I didn't have a medical certificate to them within 48 hours of calling in sick. I went three days with only the water from the bathroom sink keeping me going. I didn't eat, smoke or defecate for that time and when I finally crawled out of bed and made myself my first coffee in four days the milk was off. On day five I was well enough to get to a doctor (although everything still hurt). He spent some time shouting at me for not calling an ambulance. I am not afraid of influenza but I certainly have a healthy respect for it. I gave the HR manager the soles of my feet in a plastic bag when I returned to work, along with a certificate that the doctor happily backdated. She seemed OK with that...

    • @GrumpyOldFart2
      @GrumpyOldFart2 Год назад +22

      We’ll, that’s one way of convincing them that yeah, you were really sick. 😅

    • @mamanoneyall51
      @mamanoneyall51 Год назад +46

      The soles of your feet..as a gift to the dark souls in HR...

    • @grrrgrl101
      @grrrgrl101 Год назад +16

      It’s sad that some people flippantly dismiss that others can get seriously I’ll, I’m glad you brought the soles of your feet in a bag because then they HAD to take you seriously!

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 Год назад +13

      I've had the flu 3 times in my life, first one was the worst, when I was 10. I don't remember it well, but remember after I had recovered, my family then got sick & I got the day off school to care for them, calling the doctor to organise a housecall, cause my parents were incapable of getting out of bed to do anything. Doctor came, prescribed antibiotics for my Mum, since she also had bronchitis & I think some other meds as well, can't remember, but remember I had to ride my bike to the chemist to buy the meds, which was interesting, cause I had to ride straight past my school to do it. Was kinda fun running the house :) Eventually my grandparents were called in to help, but for the first couple of days, I was caring for myself & them, cooking, washing etc etc, plus my parents had their own business, so I was running that too (basically calling all the customers booked in & cancelling & recording an answering machine message saying they were sick & who to contact instead of them) My Mum was NEVER sick, so yeh, it was a bad one. Kinda annoys me when people say "I've got the flu" when they have a mild head cold. If you have the flu for real, you're not getting out of bed for a week! (well kinda out of bed after a couple of days, but certainly not back at work without passing out trying to get there)

    • @carenrose6002
      @carenrose6002 Год назад +13

      Wait why did the soles of your feet come off? 😧 That's not a symptom of the flu I've ever heard about before but ... new fear unlocked

  • @BrambleGlade
    @BrambleGlade Год назад +109

    my friend's grandmother got the 1918 flu and survived, but got so sick from it that she lost her entire head of hair-- it grew back eventually, but brittle and sparser, and never fully recovered.

    • @fiberpoet6250
      @fiberpoet6250 Год назад +4

      Wow that’s wild a flu can do that

    • @WohaliTheOneandOnly
      @WohaliTheOneandOnly Год назад

      People are reporting that Covid makes their hair thin out for almost a year before it goes back to normal.

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Год назад +5

      Mine has thinned a ton recently, too. I attributed it to medications or stress or thyroid issues. But I did have COVID twice. I've heard that can cause hair loss, too.
      Oddly enough, I had the h1n1 swine flu in 2009 and didn't loose any hair from that. Weird.

    • @AnonymousanonymousA
      @AnonymousanonymousA Год назад +2

      Pathogen -> biofilm -> thyroid conditions that were massive after the 1918 flu -> thinning hiar -> the popular rise if the short female hair cut if that time -> the famou entertainer thar popularized it being diagnosed with a Thyroid Condition -> the 1918 flu was affiliated with a staphylococcus aureus bacterial infection and was likely spread by the government (many people reportedly got sick on Cloudy Days, possible cloud seeding related?)?

    • @dragoninthemoon7719
      @dragoninthemoon7719 Год назад +1

      My hair got crispy and has been since swine flu back around 2009. Sounds like dead weeds/grass and it keeps growing like that.

  • @eacalvert
    @eacalvert Год назад +143

    One of the other theories that I've heard about it why it hit harder in young healthy adults is similar to an issue with COVID: the immune response was stronger, meaning more inflammation and mucus production, which made a lovely home for secondary infection. Extra Credits History did a great series on the this

    • @DirkStarlight
      @DirkStarlight Год назад +17

      Ah yes cytokine storms

    • @huldu
      @huldu Год назад

      Actually with covid it's the reverse. Older people die from covid while we younglings are pretty much unaffected/very mild flu. The miles may vary of course. Let's be real by now most of us have had covid at least 3-5 times.

    • @eacalvert
      @eacalvert Год назад +2

      @@huldu you're right. I think I was thinking of the 2nf or 3rd variant that emerged ???? My brain does not want to brain lol

    • @helentee9863
      @helentee9863 Год назад +10

      I had exactly this type of flu 5 Christmases ago
      I produced so much mucus after the first 48 hours l couldn't breathe,so rang the out of hours doctor (111 in the uk) and they transferred me to the ambulance service.
      They said that they would send an ambulance,but it would take around 4 hours. Since l couldn't breathe my elderly father (also sick and in bed) took me to the hospital.
      There they did my (first ever) ECG and gave me a nebuliser till l felt a little better. Then the consultant tells me they need to rule out whether l've had a heart attack (women apparently don't always have chest pain)!
      The blood test ruled that out,so l go home with a steroid inhaler and antibiotics
      Yes, flu can be a killer
      More than a month to get over it +3 lots of antibiotics (and l'm a healthy non smoker with good cholesterol levels and no weight problems)

    • @lee3171
      @lee3171 Год назад +3

      but covid didn't hit young healthy adults harder

  • @gregoryclark8217
    @gregoryclark8217 Год назад +85

    I had the 2009 swine flu, whilst aged 9, and this explains why my parents, born in '59 and '60 weren't bothered by it. I think I was also affected by "long swine flu" since I was noticeably weaker for about 1-1.5 years afterwards.

    • @rphnick
      @rphnick Год назад

      Just watched an interesting video explaining that long covid is a type of long viral effect. People have been suffering from long viral effects for years, but it was never discussed before. Not really a new phenomenon caused just by covid, so I believe anyone who had long swine flu.

    • @sharonsloan
      @sharonsloan Год назад +11

      Any bad viral infection can leave you with lingering symptoms, recuperating can take multiple months. For the unlucky it can trigger a lifelong autoimmune disorder, which happened me after a pneumonia infection.

    • @mjkay8660
      @mjkay8660 Год назад

      swine flu in 09 wasnt the first time, back in 84? babies & elderly died after getting vaccinated. causing mistrusted vax's

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Год назад +7

      Same here. I was already very prone to illness before getting Swine flu in 2009. Probably from what I now know was Lyme disease that went untreated years before. But that flu wiped me out for years. And I've had flu after flu ever since often developing into pneumonia. I thought for sure that COVID would kill me if I got it. I did get COVID, twice, but oddly enough that was mild for me compared to swine flu. I still have long something, though. Long Lyme/h1n1/COVID I guess.

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Год назад +2

      @@sharonsloan How did your doctors end up discovering your autoimmune disease, if you don't mind my asking? My doctors have been trying to pinpoint exactly what is wrong with me and I have had multiple very serious illnesses throughout my life. I have an appointment with a rheumatologist in a little over a month. Any suggestions regarding finding an autoimmune disease like that?

  • @moonspear
    @moonspear Год назад +85

    FYI your animation at 3:03 is inaccurate. It shows the "bottom" of the Y (the F_constant region of the IgG protein) attaching to the virus. The Fc portion is what interacts with your immune cells, its the two "top" parts of the Y, the F_variable regions, that actually do the recognizing and attaching to the viral particles

    • @lukaszszczebiot3160
      @lukaszszczebiot3160 Год назад +7

      Came here to make same comment. IgG is backwards

    • @Tayl0r_
      @Tayl0r_ Год назад +2

      This makes me realize I really need to grab my biology textbook and workbook from my storage unit next week lol. Good catch

    • @MWall711
      @MWall711 Год назад +1

      Yup! Good catch!

    • @grapes4832
      @grapes4832 Год назад +1

      Ok nerd

    • @eininw
      @eininw Год назад +2

      Yes. Which side the antibody binds with affects how antibodies behave. Kudos to them for getting so much right though. Immunology is a very dense field to try to explain and understand, even for folks who work in it every day.

  • @kaitlynoddie9649
    @kaitlynoddie9649 Год назад +190

    the only memory i have of the 2009 pandemic is being in third grade getting the vaccine at school and my mom came to hold my hand and then ended up holding the hands of all the kids whose parents couldn’t come

  • @seatbelttruck
    @seatbelttruck Год назад +78

    My college roommate caught swine flu in 09. They were very consciences about sanitizing and keeping airflow going in the dorm, and fortunately I didn't end up catching it. There were definitely a noticeable amount of flu cases going around campus that year, though not all of them were H1N1. I don't think my area had any "official" cases (my roommate was diagnosed in another state, but came back to school anyway because college).

    • @JonMartinYXD
      @JonMartinYXD Год назад +13

      Among the many things we have re-learned due to COVID-19, one is the importance of keeping the air clean in spaces where lots of humans are crammed in for hours at a time, eg. dorms and schools. We should be racing to retrofit schools with top notch air handling systems that can disinfect the air. High up-front cost, but since kids are so vulnerable to infection and so good at passing it on the benefits of reducing infection rates in schools would multiply in the general population.

    • @Dubanx
      @Dubanx Год назад +2

      I had it as well.
      It wasn't that much worse than a normal flu, but I was sick for two weeks straight. Longest I've ever been sick. Longer than COVID and chicken pox, which are the only other two times I've been sick for longer than a week.

  • @geektome4781
    @geektome4781 Год назад +23

    I knew two people who died of the 2009 swine flu, including my boss. He was a great man.

    • @dingdong2103
      @dingdong2103 Год назад

      I know 3 people who died immediately after taking the covid jab, 2 of which my close friends. And one more got a stroke at 55 after the jab. One died to blood clots, 2 sudden cardiac arrests with no prior symptoms. My uncle had to go to heart surgery after his 2nd jab, surprisingly he refused the 3rd 🤣

    • @Agiyi
      @Agiyi Год назад

      I know people that died of literally anything, what's your point?

    • @lesath7883
      @lesath7883 Год назад

      May he be in light.

    • @lesath7883
      @lesath7883 Год назад

      @@dingdong2103 May they be in light.

  • @TreadSlowly
    @TreadSlowly Год назад +89

    Those antibodies are depicted upside down. The "V" ends attach to antigens. The base "I" segment attaches to immune cells etc.

    • @jefimeyerhoff999
      @jefimeyerhoff999 Год назад +8

      I caught that too. Fc stealing all the thunder from Fab portions 😕 c'mon sci show 😛

    • @jeffreyalanwong
      @jeffreyalanwong Год назад +3

      Lol! And it should be noted that it’s an IgG… the IgM is more of a pentamer type of thing than with the fab(2) parts facing out and the Fc part facing in looking like a snowflake

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 Год назад

      I noticed that too but didnt htink much of it.

  • @sharonsloan
    @sharonsloan Год назад +34

    My husband was really sick with the 2009 swine flu. He quarantined to his room for 2 weeks so our young daughter wouldn't get it. Thankfully neither of us got it. House well ventilated and all high touch areas cleaned frequently, an exhausting 2 weeks.

    • @camipockets
      @camipockets Год назад +3

      Good job!

    • @amberhawksong
      @amberhawksong Год назад +1

      I'm glad everything worked out! He sounds like an amazing husband too.

  • @lh3540
    @lh3540 Год назад +96

    A friend I was hanging out with got the 2009 one really badly. He lost like 12lbs. It was weird because we were in close contact, even sharing drinks and I got nothing.
    I did get wrecked with the worst flu of my life in 2003, and my jerk college profs wouldn't let me out of class. I should have gone to the hospital that time. Looking back that is insane.

    • @Handicrafti
      @Handicrafti Год назад +21

      I had a friend in college in 2011(?) who actually had to drop out of school because got the flu and one professor wouldn't let her make up the work. She was supposed to but was really old and just didn't care, she wouldn't make any exceptions. My friend got a bad grade, which tanked her GPA, and she lost her scholarship

    • @cleverusernamenexttime2779
      @cleverusernamenexttime2779 Год назад

      @@Handicrafti I would have brought her in front of the school board. Or at least kick the s*** out of her

    • @erinm9445
      @erinm9445 Год назад +10

      @@Handicrafti Wow, that is terrible. And shocking that there wasn't any path for challenge or recourse with the school administration or with the department overseeing the professor.

    • @ericmaclaurin8525
      @ericmaclaurin8525 Год назад +4

      2003 was the first covid pandemic - SARs -

    • @StarCrystal9
      @StarCrystal9 Год назад

      Well in the favor of fair balance, the Covid produced opposite reactions! Both are definitely insane!

  • @icarusbinns3156
    @icarusbinns3156 Год назад +15

    My sister caught the 2009 outbreak. And got bronchitis on top of that!
    When people say they’ve list their voice, they can usually make whisper sounds. Sis was completely silent. Mom got a little white board so sis could communicate with us, when she was awake.

    • @AnonymousanonymousA
      @AnonymousanonymousA Год назад

      USA30O Pandemic discovered in 2009 covered up look it up, look up Medical upcoding and medical gaslighting as well, there are games being played

  • @coldfinger459sub0
    @coldfinger459sub0 Год назад +229

    My grandfather was 10 years old and a police officer stopped him in the street and made him go home because he was not wearing a mask back in Spanish flu time.

    • @raztubes
      @raztubes Год назад

      Did he tell the cop that he will not be muzzled and that the flu is just another conspiracy to bring about a new world order?

    • @coldfinger459sub0
      @coldfinger459sub0 Год назад +4

      @@raztubes George bushes, clan and group ancestors were hard at work even back then.

    • @gordthor5351
      @gordthor5351 Год назад +8

      Tom Lech / LECH AIR CONDITIONING You mean the "US Flu". It originated in the US.

    • @johncaze757
      @johncaze757 Год назад +2

      Where did that happened at exactly?

    • @metamorphicorder
      @metamorphicorder Год назад +13

      And it was just as stupid as it is today.

  • @Beaver550
    @Beaver550 Год назад +44

    I got sick from H1N1 in February 2010 just as I turned 50 years old. It was miserable. I ended up with pneumonia in both lungs that almost did me in. I missed 6 weeks of work and was quite weak for months. My lungs have never been the same since. The experience taught me the value of getting vaccinated when they become available (which I had previously neglected to do).

    • @areguapiri
      @areguapiri Год назад

      Keep getting those injections.

    • @gk5891
      @gk5891 Год назад +2

      I was hospitalized in the ICU with pneumonia as a young child with the 1968 H3N2 (which was a genetic component of the 2009 H1N1). I was lucky enough to recover without lasting lung damage in 1968 and it possibly contributed to the mildness of the 1977 H1N1 in my case (although I apparently contracted Chicken Pox during a Doctor's visit). The combination apparently provided me with some defense against the 2009 H1N1 as I managed to avoid infection.

    • @dijidal
      @dijidal Год назад +1

      Vaccines are for emotionally weak people who have little to no mind-body connection and who eat the corporate American diet, avoid direct sunshine, and who regularly sit on their couches and watch tv.

    • @MrBannystar
      @MrBannystar Год назад

      As long as the "vaxxes" actually work. These C-19 aren't exactly up to scratch.

    • @amberhawksong
      @amberhawksong Год назад

      I'm glad you made it in the end.

  • @EternalxFrost
    @EternalxFrost Год назад +43

    One of the best SciShow episodes I've seen.
    Only to notice half-way in the video that it was published 45 minutes ago, so fresh. Thank you SciShow !
    Oh, and that shiny Charizard line was amazing haha

    • @Carebearritual
      @Carebearritual Год назад +1

      i agree! not sure what i like about this video more than others, though

  • @nobodyspecial4702
    @nobodyspecial4702 Год назад +32

    British railway workers in India estimated the death toll there alone at 60 million, but there were no records of the population by any other members of the government to corroborate those numbers.

    • @DanielSMatthews
      @DanielSMatthews Год назад +1

      Tuberculosis (TB) mortality declined after the 1918 pandemic, suggesting that influenza killed those who would have died from TB.

    • @Allan_son
      @Allan_son Год назад +2

      @@DanielSMatthews or it quickly killed the people currently suffering from TB, which slowed the spread of TB. Then other people were saved from subsequent TB infections.

    • @DanielSMatthews
      @DanielSMatthews Год назад +1

      @@Allan_son In 1918 the majority of influenza victims were smokers (young adults, particularly men) and did not have access to antibiotics, which is relevant because Tuberculosis (TB) mortality declined after the 1918 pandemic, suggesting that influenza killed those who would have died from TB. The virus hammers the immune system so hard that you get opportunistic infections or flare ups of existing ones, these still happen in a modern context, just not as often and it is usually treated appropriately and in a timely manner, with antibiotics.

  • @territaylor8276
    @territaylor8276 Год назад +72

    My Mother passed from covid 19 in 2020. My sister & I were with her the last 7 hours of her life. When she passed, I pulled off my ppe & laid on the bed with her. After that day, despite our care to not have family contact, My father & 2 sister's extended famlies became sick. I quarantined but never was ill. Either I was unsymtomatic or still high on antibodies from a severe "flu" I'd had the fall previous. I've also had swine flu. Idk. It's just so weird. My sister that was with me when my Mother passed became very ill despite keeping all her ppe on & extreme precautions (like undressing before going in her house). Regardless, if anyone had experienced the passing of someone from covid 19, they would not dismiss its impact.

    • @fourleafclover2064
      @fourleafclover2064 Год назад +14

      I'm so sorry about your mother's passing. Covid is terrible

    • @gordthor5351
      @gordthor5351 Год назад

      Terri Taylor Sorry about your loss. There is a big misconception regarding the main purpose for wearing masks. The virus can enter a host via the mouth, nose and eyes (mucus membranes). Masks don't protect the eyes, but they do greatly mitigate the chance of infecting others in their eyes nose our mouth. The virus can live on hard surfaces for at least 1 day, so all the PPE in the world won't help if people touch their eyes, nose or mouth before washing their hands.

    • @jmann2143
      @jmann2143 Год назад +4

      Lol ..who says..."I pulled off my ppe". No one in case you're wondering.

    • @Pippis78
      @Pippis78 Год назад +9

      So so many people died alone because family members weren't allowed to be with them. Nightmarish.
      It kinda had to be done like that but it's just so terrible.

    • @rosiehawtrey
      @rosiehawtrey Год назад

      Did your sister do the sanitiser and you didn't? That's enough to explain it. You use sanitiser and it kills your holobiome - so all the hospital nasties can get in - you don't your own biome protects you. I've never had covid - kind of irrelevant however due to multiple bcc and breast cancer.. Partly isolation, partly from knowing the stuff I know. Partly never *ever* killing my skin holobiome to allow every hospital infection free range on me.

  • @jessicaspencer3480
    @jessicaspencer3480 Год назад +26

    Not only did I get the swine flu in 2009 at 8 years old around October but all of my cousins (at the time about 30 of us in total, 10 or so) were out playing in the yard all day the day before my brothers and I became sick. When we went to the doctors my brothers and I were diagnosed with both strep and the flu. All of my cousins that were out playing that day got it and so did their siblings. One of my cousins a year older than me had epilepsy and didn't get it until after most of us got better so the entire family gathered for our aunt's birthday. This cousin got a fever from it, so she went to bed early to sleep it off; had a seizure and died from asphyxiation in the other room while we were celebrating.

  • @leeparkdenouden
    @leeparkdenouden Год назад +24

    the Spanish flu of 1918 arrived in Nigeria at the time. it was largely unreported but it killed a lot of Nigerians in those days it first arrived in lagos and slowly moved to my grandfathers state and then to his village of Adonte, this was before the Nigerian independence. a huge part of my grandfathers family was wiped out because of it, he was the only surviver of the Spanish Flu. They gave him a title in honor of being able to survive that scurge

  • @neilkurzman4907
    @neilkurzman4907 Год назад +64

    The story of how we have the genome for the 1918 pandemic is also an interesting story. The story of a doctor that tried to get a sample of the virus in the 40s and a team of army scientist, trying to sequence the virus based on samples from World War I in the 2000s.

    • @kyrab7914
      @kyrab7914 Год назад

      I was wondering how we got it tbh

    • @neilkurzman4907
      @neilkurzman4907 Год назад +2

      @@kyrab7914
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Hultin

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Год назад +1

      @@kyrab7914 They also recovered samples from Inuit victims buried in the Alaskan permafrost. Being frozen for a century is great at preserving viral genes.

    • @kyrab7914
      @kyrab7914 Год назад

      @@allangibson8494 that's kind of terrifying but neat

  • @nightthought2497
    @nightthought2497 Год назад +17

    The major take away from this should be that factory farming is the primary contributing factor to the spread of pandemics. Re-localize and diversify livestock practices, with a focus on small scale ranching. Smaller herds, smaller viral sinks.

    • @karldubhe8619
      @karldubhe8619 Год назад

      D'ya really want to pay 30$ for a chicken?

    • @nightthought2497
      @nightthought2497 Год назад

      Person doing the subtitles pressed x to doubt.

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +3

      True. If we keep doing the same things we'll keep getting the same results, or worse ones. Almost every pandemic comes down to livestock.

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 Год назад

      @@LimeyLassen
      The majority of the diseases we have vaccines for, came from our livestock.
      Humans have given animals diseases as well.

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 Год назад

      Small scale means a LOT more people in contact with animals.
      The diseases don't magically pop up in a herd, it's brought to it by an infected animal.
      You'll lose more animals with larger herds, but you'll have a fraction of the people exposed to the animals.
      Small scale is what parts of China have going on. Tons of people exposed.....

  • @veggiet2009
    @veggiet2009 Год назад +25

    I have a weird sense of nostalgia watching this video, it has me nostalgic for 2 years ago when I was very interested in virology, for... "some" reason....

  • @CompanionCarli
    @CompanionCarli Год назад +20

    I remember catching H1N1 back in 2009. It happened in the middle of the summer and it barely affected me. I just had a low grade fever and a slight cough. My poor brother on the other hand caught it a week after me and was sick for weeks. He is only 5 years younger than me but I guess it was enough of a gap in our age to be exposed to different enough strains of the virus.

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Год назад

      I got it too and so did my boyfriend at the time. He mostly slept for a day or so and then was fine. I was very seriously ill for months and was noticeably more sickly for years. He said he recovered from stuff very easily because he had some rare blood type. I have no idea if that's true. But he definitely did recover from stuff fast.

  • @nance1111
    @nance1111 Год назад +16

    This is very informative. One of my kids got the H1N1 in 2009. It was scary. I wish I'd understood more about it at the time and this would have been a huge help. One complaint I had then that I still have today is that "Family Practioners" don't explore what kind of flu you have ( I had to request he be tested) and in this current environment, they don't want you in their offices if you have respiratory symptoms at all. You really have to push to find out what exact type of flu you have.

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Год назад

      When I had h1n1in 2009 the doctor I saw offered the test to me without my having to ask. I was also at the doctor's office this week for other stuff. Several people in the waiting room were clearly sick. And the nurse told me that they are not allowed to turn down anyone who is acutely ill. So, maybe it varies from place to place. But both places that I referred to here seemed to be treating patients well.

  • @cmichaud04
    @cmichaud04 Год назад +14

    I think the major takeaway of this video is that there is a flu strain that specifically only targets humans and also seals. That's insane

    • @letsburn00
      @letsburn00 Год назад +1

      This kind of thing is the reason gain of function research was done. Despite what a bunch of conspiracy theorists say, there is a reason you want to be able to develop medicine and vaccines on stuff and be able to use animals like rabbits and mice instead of having to keep a bunch of seals around (or using humans for early research)

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 Год назад +1

      Next time someone would be clubbing seals, he should explain it's a pandemic prevention policy.

  • @RamonQuiro7
    @RamonQuiro7 Год назад +14

    Thank you! This flu timeline was really interesting and crazy. It was all really concise and we'll presented

  • @morgan9005
    @morgan9005 Год назад +5

    I caught it in 2009, along with the rest of my family and our neighbours. I was vomiting every 5 minutes, my mother took my to the hospital only for her to start vomiting once I’d got a room. They told her if she wanted any medication she’d have to go wait for a spot, but she didn’t want to leave me. My dad called a while later saying my baby sister was vomiting all in her crib, and he was sick too. I crapped my pants right before we left the hospital that night, didn’t even know it was coming. I was horribly dizzy as well. It was a truly brutal flu.

    • @areguapiri
      @areguapiri Год назад

      What happened I was 2009? I don't remember it.

    • @morgan9005
      @morgan9005 Год назад

      @@areguapiri h1n1 outbreak

  • @Ayudado
    @Ayudado Год назад +5

    Thank you for keeping your standards and the objectivity that defines your content as high as always, so much so that you even clarified how its misnomer was formed. 👍

  • @patrickrussell1888
    @patrickrussell1888 Год назад +5

    My grandfather came down with the flu during WWI. He never got to the Euopean theater because of his lungs. My grandmother was a Red Cross nurse helping with the sick soldiers New York. Luckily he survived, albeit basically one lung. That's how they met. My grandfather lived to 85 as a dirt farmer in Oklahoma. My grandma lived a more comfortable urban life for 92 years. Hearty souls.

  • @catc8927
    @catc8927 Год назад +11

    The 2009 H1N1 was one of the worst flus I’ve ever had. Coughed until I lost my voice. Had chills and never could feel warm at all. Needed Tamiflu to finally break the fever. Messed up my metabolism for months after.

    • @Tayl0r_
      @Tayl0r_ Год назад +5

      I remember that. I was 10, and had immune system issues so I got it bad. Turned into pneumonia. Had relapses 2 times, due to the infection.
      A bit of a tangent but I remember my 4th grade teacher was super pissy that I kept missing class so often, and didn’t understand the math problems.
      She didn’t take my health issues very seriously and that just made me develop anxiety/avoidance issues smh

    • @v1626
      @v1626 Год назад +3

      @@Tayl0r_ some teachers are the worst. It was a scary time, sorry you had that experience!

    • @Tayl0r_
      @Tayl0r_ Год назад +2

      @@v1626 It’s okay! But I will say it’s pathetic that it took a seperate/another new pandemic for teachers, institutions, admins, workplaces/corps etc. to understand people’s situations like mine, and actually *properly accomodate*. Sad.

    • @catc8927
      @catc8927 Год назад +2

      @@Tayl0r_ That’s so sad that you had such an unsympathetic teacher. I first noticed the 2009 flu pandemic because at the time I was working as a TA in graduate school, and an unusually large number of my students were requesting deadline extensions very early in the term. Once I realized it was due to the pandemic, I tried to go as easy on them as I could.

  • @carolbowen1693
    @carolbowen1693 Год назад +3

    A friend of ours tested positive for covid Dec of '21-took colloidal silver and got better in just 2 days-I've heard similar stories

    • @kazzicup
      @kazzicup Год назад +1

      Tell your friend not to get tested ever again. Scam.

    • @sithwolf2091
      @sithwolf2091 Год назад

      Lol let me guess you took advice from Mercola? You know that fraud also claims colloidal silver helps with rabies? What utter trashy lies.

  • @sam-dot
    @sam-dot Год назад +30

    As someone who is currently down for the count with the flu, this was a funny coincidence and I can’t wait to see the video.

  • @DalgetyBayHypnotherapy
    @DalgetyBayHypnotherapy Год назад +4

    One of the best Scishow videos I've seen. We'll done!

  • @grrrgrl101
    @grrrgrl101 Год назад +1

    The comments have been so interesting! I’ve enjoyed hearing other people’s accounts as it has broadened my understanding

  • @mayaryom2641
    @mayaryom2641 Год назад +2

    My great grandmother (Denmark) wrote a little pamphlet about her life. Seeing the first Ellehammer airplane and how she celebrated her 8th birthday in hospital with a drain in her lung due to the Spanish flu, which I remembered when they først started talking about covid19, making me prepare for lockdown etc. early on.
    I was, BTW hit quite hard in 2009...And twice from covid19.

  • @andromeda7758
    @andromeda7758 Год назад +32

    I got h1n1 back when I was 9? It was when they outbreak was out in the late 2000s. Luckily I had a mild strain cause it could've got nasty with my asthma. Dr. Told me to isolate so I hid in my basement for a week. Thats when my dad got me the sims 3 and that started a whole thing and I think he regretted getting me that game 😂
    I get a strange ass nostalgic memory of being sick and playing sims 3 for the first time when I smell a specific hand sanitizer 😅

    • @tyler5545
      @tyler5545 Год назад +7

      So funny, I also have a crazy connection between basements, smells and the Sims (though it was the Sims 1 👴🏼)!! Our family computer was down in the basement, in which we had one of the radiator-style oil space heaters since it was usually chilly down there. All the countless hours my siblings and I racked up down there playing the Sims, to this day we always laugh when a space heater is on somewhere and say “smells like The Sims.” Pavlov was certainly onto something…

    • @usaslastresort1126
      @usaslastresort1126 Год назад +4

      @@tyler5545this is what the internet was made for!!!🙏🏽

  • @jonathanhucke
    @jonathanhucke Год назад +6

    About to start a small personal farm with livestock and didn't even think abount antigenic shift, despite taking classes that focused on virology in my undergrad. I'm glad I saw this video when I did. Definitely going to be keeping different species seperated.

  • @mellow-jello
    @mellow-jello Год назад +6

    A sample in the 90s of the Spanish flu was found in the Canadian Arctic, when analyzing corpses left by an Arctic expedition. Later shipped to the CDIC, and made it in a National Geographic show.

  • @zacrintoul
    @zacrintoul Год назад +1

    This is a great explanation of a surprisingly complex topic. Well done 👍

  • @JayTie1
    @JayTie1 Год назад +6

    3:02 the schematic antibodies should attach the other way around! The whole point of the Y shape is that it can attach to two moieties to crosslink and immobilize them! The lower part of the Y is bindable for example by immune cells to gobble them up.

  • @MagdaleneDivine
    @MagdaleneDivine Год назад +43

    I got that 2009 bug back in 2006ish? I remember they kept warning everyone about it. And no one listened. I didn't even take it seriously when I had it.
    It was the worst thing ever. I was completely delirious. Never in my life... Looking back I'm like why didn't I go to the hospital.

    • @sydneyc5308
      @sydneyc5308 Год назад +2

      I got it too and I remember going to the ER and the doc saying there was nothing they could do and sent me home. My grandma remembered her mom talking about the 1918 version and was freaked out.

    • @applegal3058
      @applegal3058 Год назад +8

      I had a severe case of covid in September past. I was so miserable I literally couldn't do anything except pee, jack my body with meds so I could sleep, and go back to bed. I lost weight because I had absolutely no appetite, so that probably also weakened me. I was experiencing a racing heart and constant cycling fevers, pain, constant coughing and sinus issues. It was rough. Personally, I stayed away from hospitals because I have zero faith in getting the help I needed from past experiences in my childhood (I have PTSD caused in part to this), and was too weak and sick to drive myself, and too miserable to sit in the ER wait for 8 to 12 hours.

    • @finky555
      @finky555 Год назад +1

      Maybe because subconsciously you knew you were going to survive.

    • @applegal3058
      @applegal3058 Год назад +7

      @@finky555 maybe, but I doubt someone knows if they're going to die until they stop breathing or going unconscious...

    • @ZT1ST
      @ZT1ST Год назад +4

      @@finky555 It's more likely that it was the looming medical bill that accompanies a U.S. hospital visit.

  • @joylox
    @joylox Год назад +2

    I was diagnosed with swine flu in 2009. I was at a huge event for youth groups across the world, and those under 15 at the time like myself really got hit hard. It's the worst I remember being sick since being a toddler, and the only consolation I had was that one of my friends who got sick at the same time was able to come over during the quarantine, so we watched a lot of movies and ate a lot of applesauce...

  • @lours6993
    @lours6993 Год назад +2

    My dad who was an Australian naval officer came back from Hong Kong to Sydney in 1968 and that weekend both my parents go so sick with the flu the were not able to get out of bed for several days. My sister and I were only 4 and 5 at the time.

  • @zxzerostelar
    @zxzerostelar Год назад +9

    Can't wait for the sequel in 100 years

  • @sophierobinson2738
    @sophierobinson2738 Год назад +12

    Everyone in my family but me caught the 1968 flu. My aunt was an RN, the doctor she worked for was our family doctor. I got to make sure everyone took whatever it was he gave us, on time.

    • @Bryan-Hensley
      @Bryan-Hensley Год назад +3

      That was also the time the measles made another round. I got deathly sick in 1968 at 3 years old. My temperature went to 108 for a little bit. I lost about half of my hearing because of the high temperature.. I've never been bad sick since.. never had the flu. I'm 57 now

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 Год назад +1

      You probably had it as well, unless you got tested of course.
      Some strains of the flu have up to a 60% asymptomatic rate.

  • @psdeas7530
    @psdeas7530 Год назад +2

    A 3rd grade classmate of mine was out sick in 1968, but never returned, as she died at age 8 from the flu he is describing. Her death has had a profound effect on my life.

    • @Graanvlok
      @Graanvlok Год назад +1

      Sorry for the loss of your friend. x

  • @horridohobbies
    @horridohobbies Год назад +1

    Very educational! Thank you.

  • @cyberherbalist
    @cyberherbalist Год назад +15

    One of my great grandfathers and his son (my great uncle) died in this 1918 pandemic.

    • @clogs4956
      @clogs4956 Год назад +4

      I lost my paternal grandfather to the 1918 influenza (if I can put it that way). I was born in 1961 and my Grandma, who helped raise me, showed me the family bible and told me what happened. There must be an awful lot of families with stories like ours.

    • @sophierobinson2738
      @sophierobinson2738 Год назад +4

      There’s a cemetery near me with 5 members of one family buried within days of each other.

    • @amypetersen1668
      @amypetersen1668 Год назад +4

      My great grandmother died in 1919 during the second wave. She had two little children, one being my grandmother. They had only arrived 4 years earlier and my grandmother was the first in our family to be born in the US- her brother was born in Russia before they came here. Sadly my grandmother was only 3 when her mom died and the children went into foster care as their dad had to work and at that time children were taken away if the mom died. My grandmother was always healthy and lived to be 96 (although Alzheimer’s robbed us of her mind long before). I wonder if she ever got the flu again after most likely getting antibodies from her mom’s infection

  • @podtherod9304
    @podtherod9304 Год назад +4

    I got sick during 2009 H1N1. I was around 7 or 8. I thought I was going to die. I was bedridden for days and I remember having the most insane fever dreams. One of them involved vampire SpongeBob and Patrick hunting me down all around my hometown

  • @BrettWordon
    @BrettWordon Год назад

    That was really informative! Thank you

  • @purplevamp3132
    @purplevamp3132 Год назад +31

    In 1918 my paternal grandmother died from the Spanish Flu. My father was only 9 years old. (I'm from his second marriage) He must've survived it.
    Everyone of European decent is a survivor of the Bubonic Plague.
    I never caught COVID. I feel lucky to be alive.

    • @kimarna
      @kimarna Год назад +1

      Fun fact: some British people are immune to HIV cos it shares a receptor with Plague which they're also immune too

    • @purplevamp3132
      @purplevamp3132 Год назад +1

      @@kimarna My father was half English and half Irish. Could be...

    • @huldu
      @huldu Год назад +2

      You have *never* had covid? That's a big one. You really have to live in a secluded area or by yourself barely ever going outside. I've had covid 5 times so far luckily I barely even notice it. Work is hell but what can you do bills need to be paid at the end of the day.

    • @purplevamp3132
      @purplevamp3132 Год назад +1

      @@huldu I've never had COVID and I take public transportation in New York. I wash my hands more often now. I wear a mask if the bus gets crowded. (I recently got vampire teeth and I like showing them off)

    • @cherylreid2964
      @cherylreid2964 Год назад +3

      @@huldu I haven't had Covid and many I know haven't.
      AotearoaNZL here 🌏

  • @motherofnerdlings
    @motherofnerdlings Год назад +3

    Ugh I'll never forget 2009.
    I was 20 years old when I got swine flu. I literally felt like I was dying every minute of every day for 28 days straight before I even STARTED feeling better, and it was another 4 weeks or so of recovery.

    • @ineedhoez
      @ineedhoez Год назад

      Crazy. I remember it but not really.

    • @andretorres8452
      @andretorres8452 Год назад

      You have some immunity to the 1918 variant of H1N1

  • @luannnelson2825
    @luannnelson2825 Год назад +4

    Two books I’d recommend: Flu by Gina Kolata; The Great Influenza by John Barry. I’m sure there are others that are good but these are both highly informative and well-written.

  • @skylineuk1485
    @skylineuk1485 Год назад

    Great video very well explained and presented.

  • @Volgotha
    @Volgotha Год назад +12

    So this thing literally does the equivalent of putting on glasses and our white bloodcells go "Oh hi Clark Kent, have you seen Superman go by this way?" smh

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад

      Well, cells don't have eyes or ears. 🙈🙉
      Those proteins are the only way they can what's going on.

    • @vangu2918
      @vangu2918 Год назад +3

      It may keep peekabooing us forever.

  • @seitanbeatsyourmeat666
    @seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Год назад +3

    I’ve had 3 very terrible flus: when I was about 8 (high fever with delirium), one when I was 18 (awful and lasted a solid week) and one when I was in my mid-20s (also high fever, all the aches, etc. it took a month to recover). I never got h1n1 and I was totally exposed to recruits during boot camp at that time, and haven’t caught covid (I’ve had the 4 vaccinations though)

  • @cheyenneismyname4279
    @cheyenneismyname4279 Год назад +90

    The flu and covid will never go away. We may get better at combating them, but since they are viruses, they are always changing.

    • @Walt2323
      @Walt2323 Год назад +1

      Dont get vaxxed!!!!

    • @Ulfhedhner
      @Ulfhedhner Год назад

      ...but seen as Viruses have been around longer than Humans, and we're still here, I'd say we're okay.
      Ultimately, a virus dies off too, if it runs out of people to infect.

    • @didac3918
      @didac3918 Год назад +1

      Are you a virologist now?

    • @daqq
      @daqq Год назад

      I think the mRNA-based vaccines will prove to be much more effective than previous vaccines.

    • @clogs4956
      @clogs4956 Год назад +1

      @@hugoanderkivi or the opposite, where all new strains and mutations prove deadly to the virus. Fate is really rolling those loaded dice.

  • @Lou.B
    @Lou.B Год назад

    EXCELLENT film! Thank You!

  • @Articulate99
    @Articulate99 Год назад

    Always interesting, thanks.

  • @ninalehman9054
    @ninalehman9054 Год назад +9

    I remember the 1968 flu, it helped make 1968 one of the worst years in American history. Also, the news referred to it as the “Hong Kong Flu."

  • @Tayl0r_
    @Tayl0r_ Год назад +10

    Got the flu really bad in September or early October, but had a doctors appt coincidentally at that time, so they gave me the flu shot. I still got a sinus infection due to immune system issues.
    Now Im sitting here, sick with the flu but much milder, but with a cough/cold(?) symptoms as well.
    Here’s hoping I don’t get walking pneumonia like I used to get every year as a kid and teen, multiple times. Get your flu shots people!!!

  • @razgrizadler
    @razgrizadler Год назад

    fascinating! thanks for vid!

  • @XwitterEye
    @XwitterEye Год назад +1

    at 3:05 the antibodies need to be rotated. The epitope detecting region (FAb) is at the tips of the Y shape. The base of the Y is the FC region

  • @purplealice
    @purplealice Год назад +10

    And the avian flu reduces the number of domesticated birds (chickens, turkeys, etc) and useful wild birds (ducks, geese, coots)

  • @javierpatag3609
    @javierpatag3609 Год назад +8

    My dad got AH1N1 several years ago when it was in the news. It’s a good reminder that indeed diseases never really go away. We just end up living with them. That’s something to accept with the current pandemic.

    • @CL-go2ji
      @CL-go2ji Год назад

      I see it that way.

  • @fiberpoet6250
    @fiberpoet6250 Год назад

    Also great video and thank you not talking fast. Some Sci Show presenters talk like they are in a speed talking contest and I simply can’t watch them because my processing speed can’t keep up.
    Great content and delivery thank you 💗💗

  • @alanleech37
    @alanleech37 Год назад

    Brilliant teaching. Thanks

  • @drg9812
    @drg9812 Год назад +8

    "Original Antigenic Sin"
    ...
    Would that be a good band name?

  • @alienonion4636
    @alienonion4636 Год назад +4

    In 1968 I was soooooo sick from the flu. It hit me hard and fast. I was taken home from school and in my own bed in less than an hour. That was on a Friday. By noon the next Monday the school closed for at least a week since there weren't enough healthy students to attend. I remember the worried look on the school nurses face. Oddly now I feel lucky to have had that flu. And I think in terms of my ancestors having survived a great deal or I wouldn't even be here. We are made of sturdier stuff than we realize.

  • @renatooliveira0266
    @renatooliveira0266 Год назад

    Grate video! Congratulations.

  • @kristindurrant6728
    @kristindurrant6728 Год назад

    Love this kind of content ❤️

  • @Beryllahawk
    @Beryllahawk Год назад +6

    Where I live, there are a LOT of chicken farms...and the local farms just suffered a massive problem with the H5N1 virus. Poultry products almost doubled in price between August and November. This is anecdotal but, I was told they were forced to kill a lot of their animals in order to stop the spread of the virus. It's likely that a bunch of them just plain died from the flu too but either way it was a bad time for the chicken farmers.
    Fortunately (I think) chickens reproduce really really quick. Prices are coming back down as the farms recover, but it was a direct example of how badly a flu can mess our lives up even when it's not infecting US. And a sobering reminder of how much we rely on keeping our livestock healthy and safe.

    • @kohakuaiko
      @kohakuaiko Год назад +2

      Lucky for you, but they're still rising where I live 😭

    • @someguy2135
      @someguy2135 Год назад

      Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or chickens. Why else should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases)
      2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases
      3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen.
      4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year!
      5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution
      6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation
      7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions.
      8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity
      9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified.
      10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation.
      11- Longer lifespan.
      12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.)
      13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance
      14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life
      15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third!
      16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health
      17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella
      18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing!
      19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study
      20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study)
      Links for some of these are at my channel under "About."
      If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. RUclips only allows a certain number of links at my channel.
      Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products?
      After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description.
      ruclips.net/video/uc6Mjms1rhM/видео.html

  • @jackflash9735
    @jackflash9735 Год назад +10

    The Avian Flu is why we're paying $5 for a dozen eggs and why Turkey was so expensive this past year!

    • @nicholaslewis8594
      @nicholaslewis8594 Год назад +3

      At least for the Turkey pretty sure the feed got more expensive too.

    • @neilkurzman4907
      @neilkurzman4907 Год назад

      @@nicholaslewis8594
      The feed was just one aspect. Entire flocks were lost, and interestingly in chickens it affects egg, laying chickens more than it affects roasting chickens, a.k.a. broilers.

    • @amosbackstrom5366
      @amosbackstrom5366 Год назад

      That's why I had steak for Thanksgiving and I just eat bacon and more bacon for breakfast 😋

    • @someguy2135
      @someguy2135 Год назад

      Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or poultry. Why else should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases)
      2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases
      3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen.
      4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year!
      5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution
      6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation
      7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions.
      8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity
      9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified.
      10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation.
      11- Longer lifespan.
      12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.)
      13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance
      14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life
      15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third!
      16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health
      17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella
      18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing!
      19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study
      20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study)
      Links for some of these are at my channel under "About."
      If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. RUclips only allows a certain number of links at my channel.
      Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products?
      After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description.
      ruclips.net/video/uc6Mjms1rhM/видео.html

    • @juliantheapostate8295
      @juliantheapostate8295 Год назад

      @@someguy2135 'Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or poultry'
      Actually they are. The more people who eat vegetarian food, the higher the demand and the price.
      Yes, this will trigger an increase in production, but not all farm land can support arable production

  • @peterh5165
    @peterh5165 Год назад

    Excellent video!

  • @psilverz4848
    @psilverz4848 Год назад +1

    I would love to see this video updated to include discussion of the current pandemic of COVID-19

  • @melissajohnson2935
    @melissajohnson2935 Год назад +7

    I got sick back in 2019 with flu and tested positive for type A and B. Further testing showed the type A was H1N1. Let me tell ya, I thought I was going to die! Touching my hair caused severe pain. A unbreakable fever that caused me to hallucinate.

  • @LouCadle
    @LouCadle Год назад +5

    My grandfather was 14 when it hit his small town. The doctor assigned him nursing duties, and he nursed 400 other people through it, made a huge pot of soup every day to deliver, and washed sheets in a wringer washer every day until he dropped, but he never got it--or at least never had a symptom. (I inherited his immune system. I have never had the flu or a flu shot.) The doc said "take a shot of whiskey every night--it'll kill the bug." Nonsense, and luckily didn't turn him into a drunk. It was an exhausting month, but he and the country doc didn't lose a patient.

    • @CL-go2ji
      @CL-go2ji Год назад +2

      Wow. 400 patients and no deaths is impressive, they were doing something right. And/or very lucky.

    • @LouCadle
      @LouCadle Год назад +1

      @@CL-go2ji could have been the town's demographics played a roll. A big killer in 1918 was secondary infections. Maybe there's some reason they didn't suffer those. 2.5% mortality rate, so 10 deaths would have been expected. Random luck, possibly.
      What's weirder is that northern Italy, where Covid was so awful, really terrible death rates? The same thing was true of the 1630 plague there. Wiped out a crazy high percentage of that population. Why would a locale matter, you have to wonder...

    • @juliantheapostate8295
      @juliantheapostate8295 Год назад

      @@LouCadle The age profile of Italy is very elderly by global standards. Also, in 1630, Italy's population was very urban and congested by the standards of the time

  • @kscott2655
    @kscott2655 Год назад +1

    The first floor of my dorm was designated as a H1N1 quarantine area while I was in college in 2009. Thankfully, I never caught it, despite walking up to the 3rd floor past the quarantine area (fire doors closed) multiple times every day.

  • @keithireland6627
    @keithireland6627 Год назад

    Fab summary thankyou.

  • @vallana
    @vallana Год назад +4

    Avian flu not only ups the cost for poultry and eggs, the flu vaccine uses eggs to grow the viruses needed to make them, so shortages of eggs can lead to a shortage of vaccine

    • @AlexDiscovers
      @AlexDiscovers Год назад

      While they still use eggs to grow certain flu vaccines, there are several versions that are not that have been widely available for several years. So while it may slow production of some versions, it is unlikely to lead to widespread shortages, as production of non-egg versions are widely produced to make sure people with egg allergies can get the flu shot just as readily as the general population.

  • @terramater
    @terramater Год назад +21

    It's always interesting to see how viruses keep genetically changing. Our crew recently filmed another pandemic we are currently facing: the Panama disease (one more disease named after a place). The fungus affects only bananas, but this could be the end of the banana we know in the Northern Hemisphere. But we talked to some scientists, and they have a solution. We're curious to see what will happen with the banana pandemic.

    • @saraallen5447
      @saraallen5447 Год назад

      Panama disease is caused by the fungal pathogen Fusarium oxysporum f. sp. cubense, not a virus

    • @areguapiri
      @areguapiri Год назад

      You will believe anything.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      Lol the "solution" is the same thing they did last time. Find a banana that doesn't die to that disease. Then just mass produce that banana. Problem "solved"

  • @fiberpoet6250
    @fiberpoet6250 Год назад +2

    I remember in 2009 H1N1 there was a vaccine shortage and ppl were really getting sick. I normally never bothered with flu shots.
    I had a bad flu in middle school in the late 1980’s and never got sick from a flu after that. But I was definitely concerned about the 2009 one, and luckily cuz I have epilepsy, I qualified to get a H1N1 flu shot and I got it and I’m glad I did.

  • @kellydalstok8900
    @kellydalstok8900 Год назад +2

    According to a BBC documentary the first case of the flu was an American recruit who came back from leave on his parents’s poultry farm. He then infected several other soldiers. Of that platoon had been isolated instead of sent on to embark the ships that took them to Europe, the pandemic could have been nipped in the bud. More people got on those ships and some even died. Arriving in France they infected European soldiers, who then took the virus back home on leave.
    What really would help with the spread of flu is paid sick leave, so people don’t feel pressured to go to work sick. I’m looking at you USA.

    • @juliantheapostate8295
      @juliantheapostate8295 Год назад

      What would really help with most viruses is to contain them to their source country, China

  • @turkeytrac1
    @turkeytrac1 Год назад +10

    Now, I hate to ask, can you dumb this down so I can show it to certain persons? Anyway, great video, thx!!

  • @istp1967
    @istp1967 Год назад +3

    Not to mention, they didn't have electron microscopes in 1918; so they didn't know what viruses looked like. The invention of the electron microscope and the subsequent discovery of DNA in 1957 made the study if viruses significantly easier.

    • @scottnyc6572
      @scottnyc6572 Год назад +1

      Royal Raymond Rife had developed a electron microscope however the medical establishment mafia torched his laboratories and labeled him a charlatan.The medical mafia is real

  • @tbanism
    @tbanism Год назад

    My grandfather died before I was born from the 1918 Flu. Though not aware if anyone else near by or relatives were affected. It was in Manatee County (Sarasota etc., now) Florida

  • @louisestaats234
    @louisestaats234 Год назад +2

    "And don't look at the man behind the curtain" said the great and powerful OZ.

  • @MorriAelthyn
    @MorriAelthyn Год назад +3

    I got H1N1 in 2009... And I'm pretty sure my daughter did too, but somehow she never tested positive even though she was sick. BUT she was still nursing at the time.
    So now she's forever better protected against H1N1 strains? Silver lining to how utterly miserable we were I guess. 🤔

  • @sparky082
    @sparky082 Год назад +6

    I got the pandemic and 2009 and have been paying for it ever since because I've had long-term. I call it swine flu (h1n1) but it really is just long-term Spanish flu and I got it again about a week after and then relapsed. It was awful and I've never really recovered from it

  • @GreenJeepAdventures
    @GreenJeepAdventures Год назад +2

    The 2009 h1n1 flu was the sickest I have ever been. If it had been just a little worse, I could see how it would have been fatal.