Bluff of the Year? Poker Player Goes Crazy with Ace-High!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Sean Winter and Ali Imsirovic battle at the $25,000 High Roller final table when Winter decided to go absolutely crazy with just ace-high! Was this the bluff of the year or should Ali Imsirovic have gone all in?
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ONLY a great player get's bluffed there. I would not reach that 3 handed final table and would not lose that QQ hand.
Well said
Levels on levels on levels on top of a stairs to more levels
Id just be committing pre or on the flop here
Exactly, micro stakes you get snap called by qq don't forget that 😅😅
@@yeahno3167 that’s for sure
Schindler stealing the show for me with the chewing
Hahahhahhaha 😂
Absolutely unhinged masticating behavior.
Glad someone else noticed it 😂😂😂
Cow
Bro I was gonna point it out, but im so glad someone else did.
Some very powerful chewing displayed by Schindler
😂😂noticed that too
Wow, genius. At this level it looks like straight value it's so illogical to bet so small as a bluff, which incidentally is the only thing Ali beats besides possibly AJ (which seems very unlikely to min click 5! pre).
Ali is not going to sleep well after reviewing the footage:)
Just 6 bet shove or raise that micro flop bet. QQ needs protection from that 10 percent flop bet. Pot is already huge to take it down or lose to AA or KK. Why wait for a scared card to come? You don't always have to let someone barrel off.
Shove and get called by what that is worse? There were no draws. You want him to barrel with AK, there is no way to protect QQ whilst also getting value. In those spots, you have to call.
@@williamfowl8670 yeah and that only works out well if you plan on never folding. Which he did cause 1 little scare card came. Now if he had AA or KK I can see letting him barrel.
@@PatrickA1 His opponent was repping aces the whole way. The king made little difference. He was probably folding anyways just because a 5-bet, 3-barrel bluff isn't as likely as aces. Just because you see the cards, doesn't mean that your play is "right". At least from a gto perspective. I'm guessing that fold was probably the correct play (depending on the opponent).
@@williamfowl8670 if you fold QQ Everytime there it's exploitable. His SPR was low enough that he had to put the rest in. Pot almost 4 million he has 1.2 mil left. Can't fold. The GTO folds if SPR is larger. And he's leaving himself with 20bb vs some of the best players out there. Better to take the risk and hope he's doing it with a suited ace.
@@PatrickA1 No, not exploitable to fold QQ there always. Think, in this spot, you also have KK, AA, JJ, all combos of AK, as well as probably (because of the small 5-bet size) a few other suited K's. You have to find a LOT of folds, and QQ is the first to go here.
How does queens not get it all in preflop with those stack sizes there
I would have gone all in on the flop
If your calling a 5 bet pre flop, why not go all in before the flop? Short handed table, nobody is getting away from QQs there, Especially from Winters who does the same thing with 66s lol get em Jacksonville!!!
@@billysikes1374 totally agreed with you
What did he think Winter would play like that? AK doesn’t shove river. JJ or AA maybe?
AK could definitely shove that river, it's 1/3 of the pot and all of his bets were light. It really looks most like AA, but KK, JJ, and AK are possible. You would expect a larger 5! pre from AK or KK, but with how much players incorporate different sizings to protect their range it's not out of the realm of possibility. I think the real answer to your question is that he thought Winter would never play a bluff like that, it's completely unorthodox and illogical for any bluff to keep laying great prices that minimize fold equity. Given the sizings I think Ali should've made his river decision on the turn if it bricked off.
click bait.... he had a pair of 6s.... not Ace high!!
🦅👀
Schindler just absolutely destroying some popcorn while he enjoys the chaos he started.
If you’re gonna call the turn you gotta call the river 6
"Ali's sister and girlfriend", is that even allowed?
Can't tell which one is which... they both look like him
Sean Winter really resembles Luke Evans (Dracula Untold, The Alienist) here. In fact it was the thumbnail that brought me to this video. I thought it was Luke Evans playing poker.
Would’ve 6bet all in pre..3 handed..3rd nuts..QQ..if they have a better hand so be it..
Honestly I woulda played the queen's exactly the same...and been just as confused and thought I was just as dead as Imsirovic thought he was. Sean had to put him exactly on QQ or AK...and prayed he believed he had aces
Thanks i really needed that extended side shot of a guy chewing with his mouth open
Lococo passed by and laughed.
Without the king on the turn he would have lost that hand.
Certainly, but sometimes you must play with the cards you don't have.
Trapping can be costly sometimes. I would have shoved pre flop. If he has aces or kings three handed, so be it.
@@masterboytothemax1599 Exactly,that went out of there hands allready preflop.
without the king on the turn maybe he doesn't go for it
He could very easily be representing AA or KK if the turn didnt come with a K. And i think he was jamming the river the moment he 5 betted preflop. He was lucky Q was never to be seen on the board.
Great hand
If you called the turn, should’ve called the river with that hand! Sometimes you just have to go for it.
I'll accept the bluff. It seems like Ali, one of my favorite players, didn't play like he normally does after this hand, especially towards the end. The other baffling thing is that he put 1.8+ mil into the pot when he called the K turn, then folds and leaves 1.2 mil behind. I thought he was planning to snap any bet that was non ace. Ali had me very confused there. He knows if he calls the turn that he might face a river jam, so I thought he was prepared. I'm saying this with the utmost respect for Ali. No disrespect if you see this, Ali. All love, man!!!!
Yes he had a plan when calling the turn, but it was to snap fold. Which is totally fine. The K is the exact perfect card for all this to happen
@Jonathan Brazeau So his plan was to call fold?? That makes perfect sense. Ali called, hoping Winter would check back?? I honestly don't think that was his plan given ICM considerations. He knew if he called what he was probably facing, which is a river jam. This isn't his first tournament 😳 🤔
@@ianshirreffs5604 Calling the turn doesn’t mean he automatically plans on calling the river. It’s pretty obvious by the immediate fold that he was hoping for a check back on the river.
NVM on AQdd, as Ali has the Q of diamonds. See - REALLY hard to find 20% air, much easier to find 12% air on turn though
I see your point. He should have folded turn then. I guess I don't understand the turn call. I'm never calling turn unless I'm planning on calling a river jam.
Why would you describe what the whole video is all about in the title leaving no space for excitement ?
I'm just an amateur player, so can anyone please tell me why Imsirovic did not raise big or shove on the flop?
Because he seems to be an amateur, himself.
In hindsight, he felt like he was trapping but he made so many mistakes. He SHOULD have maybe came over the top and shoved pre-flop, especially since Winter used a time bank. I caught that tell, instantly.
Flat calling the flop, was beyond idiotic. If he didn't shove pre-flop, it should have been on the flop and at the EXTREME LEAST he definitely should have raised big....It's SENSELESS to flat call a flop bet, while only putting your opponent on AK or a middle pair. If he truly felt his opponent had AA or KK, why even call the 250k flop bet? That's a waste of money. Smh. Especially when a king comes on the turn 🤦♂️
The most important lesson I've learned in poker, is not to WASTE MONEY!!! Even calling for information is a waste of money. Flat calling bets all the way to the river, JUST TO FOLD ON THE RIVER, is the most novice move in poker. Pot commitment is the biggest waste of money.
In very basic terms, I believe Ali views it as unlikely for him to get called by a worse hand when he raises. Winter has a lot of AA and KK here, and some air/AK that folds. Ali likely thinks his raise results in all worse hands folding and all better hands calling, which is pretty detrimental to a long term strategy.
There’s a lot more that goes into the thought process here than that, including ICM (Independent Chip Model) considerations which change the evaluations of certain plays because when you are deep in the money +chipEV decisions are not always +$EV and vice versa. And I also think there’s a slight difference in perceived ranges from both players by both players here. But that’s the very basic version of the thought process that I’m assuming (again could be wrong) Ali is using here on the flop.
@@Nick-xu7ns I can maybe understand in a cash game, but this isn't and there was already enough in the pot, win the hand and move on. And if he thought he was maybe already behind, why keep calling? What was he hoping to happen on the turn and river?
@@furbs9999 it’s not that he’s necessarily behind of everything. Winter can’t call a raise with a worse hand, but he can certainly bet with a worse hand. Raising folds out all of the stuff that he beats. Which means any further money entering the pot is only from hands he loses to. This is a pretty detrimental scenario for Ali if he’s putting more money in the pot.
As for why call earlier streets if you’re going to fold later streets, every bet in a hand of poker narrows ranges further, which is why you always should be folding some portion of your range to any bet (this portion is directly proportional to the size of the bet) or else you will be calling too often and hemorrhaging money. Ali likely evaluates that he’s at a range disadvantage on the flop being the preflop flatter so he can certainly be behind with QQ, but QQ is too strong of a hand to fold in this spot without ranges becoming narrower which is why he calls. On the turn it’s a much tougher spot as much of Winter’s bluff range improves, but Ali probably views himself as either being too high in his range to fold to this size or as Winter still being wide enough to warrant a call as he could still have hands like AdTd or Ad5d if he 5bets those (he may not given the ICM implications but it all depends on what Ali perceives his range to be, not what it actually is). On the river, with the third bet, Ali will again have to fold some amount of his hands that called the turn. QQ is basically the worst hand he can have here (unless he has some 4bet Ax of diamonds combos that flat the 5bet which might just not be true given the stack sizes and ICM) so he may make the decision to fold all QQ with diamond here (as having the Qd lowers the chance Winter is bluffing with missed flush draws which are his most natural bluffs on this exact line) or maybe just all QQ, I’m uncertain of his entire strategy there. But it’s clear he makes this decision on the turn that this combo of QQ, for him, is part of the turn calling and river folding ranges.
It’s a weird line from both players given the spot and sizings chosen, but I imagine, if checked in a solver, Ali’s line is much closer to optimal than Winter’s.
i think this is a preflop shove or flop shove. when u call the turn and the K comes its an insta fold because u get knocked by 38 combos of Aa Ako/s Kqs JJ. if u feel so insecure about ur hand fold it .
Preflop shove. I'm not sure what happened to graphics, but I think Winters min-click backed 5 bet and Imsirovic just called. Easy jam pre. You can look to trap with AA KK but not with QQ
Snap call
After all the situation surrounding Imsirovic and Bryn Kenney with the allegedly cheating maybe this is another prove. He and Winter maybe have some kind of deal.
Go all in pre flop. Problem solved.
Sickness
While this is a great bluff, for me this is more Imsirovic playing the Queens badly than anything else that leaves Winters the opportunity to play it well and take it down
Exactly, I wouldn't even go as far as to say it was a "great bluff". The same arguments you can make for Winter min clicking preflop, you can also make for Ali flatting pre. Queens is literally the only hand he sits here with since he "blocks" AK and AA.
Ali could easily have Jacks and maybe even Kings and then it'd be a snap on the river and this video would be the titled the worst bluff of all time.
@@ilove2qq Ali was playing to trap and couldn't pull the trigger when the K showed up on the turn. Notice how he said, "he does" on the river. He was expecting a river shove, but was hoping for a slow down which he didn't get. He was thinking Winter might slow down on the river after his turn call. But, because he is holding the Q of diamond, he couldn't pull the trigger to make the call. another way to play the hand is to play it aggressive pre flop, and on the flop, but that means he will win minimum.
@@ilove2qq Exactly. They forgot that Ali's range also includes Hands with a King! Duh.
@@eb3433 doesn't matter if Ali had kings in his range as played and winter pulls trigger.. he himself knows that he has queens and is smashed by ace king and aces alot ..let alone kk ....queens are not a call here..he only called the previous street because price to see if winter wpuld give up or not ..but once he goes three streets and jams Ali is beat 95 percent of time as played..and he sorta showed his hand face up ....u could almost call his hand out as qq
Pot odds are an excuse to play badly is all ..u can't call qq there if your gd player at all without crazy read..and its very very rare a spot pike that gets bluffed.. a fish calls the ALL in and gets showed the nuts alot ..but gd player has to fold there truly without huge read and tell
Queens Need Shove on preflop haha
why not push allin on turn
that was top notch
How could he not make that call. Winter is a maniac with the chips. If your playing these high stakes tournaments, you need to make that call at the final table. You cannot be afraid to lose those chips. I say it was a bad lay down with the amount of chips in the pot. If he was gonna fold those queens, he should of done it pre-flop. Why give up 75% of your Chips? Insane poker decisions at the top level. Makes me think it was a chip dump.
One of the worst ways you could possibly play QQ 3 handed
all-in preflop or even on the flop he could jam.
@@bLasT4cs I am shoving flop. Winter folds a flop raise for sure.
@@michaelsmith-iy9yy yes.
@@michaelsmith-iy9yy so then why did we shove?
So sick.
I cannot understand why Ali did not raise that micro flop bet for protection. QQ is not an invulnerable hand.
I did play with his GF in a few tournaments at Wynn and she kept getting all in with the worst and getting lucky and the better of me.
Simple answer. Raising there is exploitable. If you're in Ali's shoes, and I'm in Sean's shoes and 3-bet all-in after you raise me on the flop, are you really that happy to be calling there? Sean never has AJ there.
@@Uncle_Troy for the stack sizes yes I am happy to get it on on the flop with QQ. He is really only beat by AA, KK and a flopped set of JJ. May be not in a deep stacked cash game but with an SPR
@@JayakrishnanNairOmana why doesn’t Ali have AA and AK in this spot? Even with the A blocker there are 3 combos of AA and 9 combos of AK as well as 3 combos each of KK and JJ. Ali is at the absolute bottom of his range (except some AQdd ATdd A5dd maybe, although he doesn’t 4 bet those combos always). He needs to fold some proportion of his range and QQ seems like a great candidate to fold. You beat no value and block some bluffs in AQs.
@@JayakrishnanNairOmana I think it’s fair to say he should fold turn in this spot but I don’t think just because he called turn he needs to call river. Also raising on that flop is an awful play, you only fold out worse hands and get stacked otherwise, just to protect against AK. Better to just call IMO and do absolutely no raising with any hands in this spot.
@@jacobclose3099 As I said, that flop is J high and he is only beat by AA, KK or JJ. He has to raise-shove the flop. If he has it, he has it. On the other hand if he had a hand like TT he might call thinking you have something like AQdd
King doesn't come he empties the clip too. Lucky lucky run out.
People saying micro stakes easy call, while blatantly disregarding the man in a 25K buy in and 3 left in the tournament for 400K + some money y’all will never reach
Horribly played by QQ. Anyone commenting "oh what a play!" Is out of its mind...
Given the dynamic I’m raising QQ to around a mil on the flop. You’ll either induce a shove which you’re snapping on that board, or you get a fold and you’ve protected your equity. Bad play by QQ.
You get snapped by better a huge portion of the time. Most people's 5 bet range is AA KK AK and mayyybe QQ with super super low frequency Ax suited bluffs. The board on the flop isn't super relevant.
I don't understand why he calls on the turn with K on the board if he already knows that Winter would have moved all in on the river.
Shindler was not involved in the hand
@@shukuladay8883 that’s what makes his shove all the more confusing
because he doesnt know hes gonna shove the river and he wont always shove the river
@@shukuladay8883 yeah, sorry.
Looked like aces or Kings
Some kind of bullsh*t.
Literally bet so much before the turn^ didn't he calculate his move before the preflop? He threw away all of his stcks to the river card which wasn't a big card' a pro player wud hve definitely made the call after betting so much' even if they knew they gonna lose!
There is no way I'm folding Queens at any stage of this hand. If you got AK or AA 3 handed when I got Queens so be it.
Ali played that so bad. Should have shoved post flop
What is the benefit of shoving on the flop exactly? All better hands are always calling, and all worse hands are always folding.
Is your gameplan: Win the minimum when ahead, lose the maximum when behind?
@Joel I'm taking it down there with that board. What are you going to do if you put him on A,K and the K hits the turn?
@@meatazzsandwich He doesnt have any AK in his range min 5b clicking preflop it is only KK AA and some bluffs.
@@Joel-js2gk Denying 25% equity to AK, becoming chipleader if he doesn't have KK or AA and if he does, you should go busto anyway QQvsKK or QQvsAA 3handed. AND ALSO another benefit is that you are not folding the best hand on the river...
I'm sorry, I'm pot committed, Not folding my queens to you for I need to see your hand at this point...You have to show me Aces or Kings..I call....
fish play.
Wut…jam pre
the guy staring at the camera whilst chewing is so offputting and disgusting.
Wtf after calling so much and you fold 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bet on the flop, he should have shove or rebet to 1 million chips. 🥺
Don't know what the commentators are busting about. Standard bluff.
Fr they went from whispering to screaming for no reason
Unwatchable.
I would of went All-In with those Queens on the flop. Ali ain’t got nothing on me.
Obviously he doesn't know the math behind those QQs playing 3 handed
Imsirovic = Imsureofit
He got given the hand ,when he five bet I would have put him all in. Really amateur tbh from both players.
When did Eminem become a poker pro?
Lol this hand is so noobie on so many levels
Imsirovic is a scrub anyways. Worst poker player ever 😂
You’re trying to be funny but you failed badly.
@@shukuladay8883 na, your response alone shows I have made a point... And your sad 🤡
@@christopherniceley8848 what point did you make?
@@shukuladay8883 that's he's a scrub, and the worst poker player ever... It's called "reading and comprehending"... Try it 🤡
glad it keeps you up at night and eats slowly away at your soul.
Imsirovic is just a bad player
I’ll say it. These guys are a bunch of dorks. Literally the nittiest soy boy poker I have ever seen.
You tell them Sir..... sorry how many final tables, bracelets and how many zero's in your career earnings do you have (:
Winter came early…
In his pants
Horrific call on the turn to only fold the river. If you’re call turns you should be call brick rivers.
I've seen Winter pulled off the same play with 72 at cash game over 10 years ago before he became a high roller and bulked up. He was young then, laughed hilariously after showing off his 72 hand when the opponent tanked for a long minute then folded a pair faced up on the river. Now, his table demeanor is dead serious like Jason Statham at poker table.
That was one of the most twisted and interesting hands Ive seen in a while.
Well said
Riiiight!?
You always call there it's standard.
watch people attempt this kind of bluff in small tourneys and get called every time, wondering why it doesnt work when they do it lolll
Show the 6!
Wow, what an incredible hand between two incredible players. That was a blast. Thanks for posting this.
Imsirovic played it absolutely terribly lol
@@samu18989 yeah but is still better player
@@JulioRodriguez-te8kd nah I’m better than him
Only works against players with at least half of a brain so will almost never work on pokerstars.
Gangster! Surely no way Sean knew that Ali has a hand as strong as he did. At best he though it was 99s. Later when Ali asks if Sean had AJ he asks back if Ali had any better than that?
"99s" yea that's pretty strong
qq actually the same as 99 or 1010 here, al bluff catcher. So ali has 99,1010, JJ , QQ, KK ,AA probably all combo's. ( -the combo's with ace of hearts obviously) Folding 99 and en 1010 and the turn some frequency. So he is callng al the jj, qq, kk, aa combos en folding the few 99 and 1010 and qq combos. pretty clear fold.
Prob checks one of the straights postflop as well with showdown against a v strong range.
The comment sections are always full of "pros" when a hand like that happen 😂
"Chat Pros" 😂
I am usually not result oriented, but not jamming preflop is horrendous. If you want to trap, trap with AA or KK sometimes, but QQ is so vulnerable against A or K high flop. Post flop is more reasonable as played, but preflop is where it was messed up.
If you aren’t prepared to shove with QQ on that flop then you shouldn’t be playing that hand in the first place.
lol @ not raising QQ on the flop. The guy bets 1/10 the pot, just asking to get outdrawn or outplayed on the turn.
lol @ you raising flop. You are dead against AA, KK, JJ so what do you want to achieve by raise? lul
All in on the flop did it to himself slow 🐌 playing
So sick! Exceptionally well played.
Thanks for giving away the result in the title. You couldn’t go with something like will this A high bluff work??
1:09 Schindler eating like a cartoon.
The bet at the river is small, about 1/3 the pot, and you've already called two small bets even with the king up on the turn though. Then again, the only thing you have beat at that bet on the river is a bluff
Exactly. Queens become a bluff catcher at that point. But realistically AA, KK, AK or possibly KQs could’ve been played in that manner
We call that pokerkarma!! What a idiot to only call after that flop! You only call that raise, if you know he is bluffing.. djeezzz
What is this??? 😂😂😂 And these guys are some kind of profi players??? 😂😂😂😂
Horrible play by Imsirovic. Called the whole way just to fold the river 🤦♂️
if im in this situation. QQ and highest card on the flop is J.... 99.9999% im going all in and collect whats on the pot.
Would have went all in on the Flop with Ladies on a Jack high board in a 3 handed table
What a maniac, he’s just twisted.
Girlfriend is looking for a new boyfriend. I would have pushed on the flop
u ship when he bets 250 hand over
Why didn’t dude raise? Flop? Turn? Somewhere
What's with this guy and all the chewing and rustling of bags.
Great to see a cheater lose.
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The balls it takes to bluff there. I mean if imsirovic has AA, KK, or JJ he’s never folding. Even if he has AK he prob has to call. You’re basically only putting him on QQ
come on @pokergo, just stop it with the exaggerated titles already. hint: its not the bluff of the year when the guy doesnt even have top pair
Yooo, this announcer better not scream like that again, 😤 or I will find him
Call/call/fold is probably the very worst line you can take with QQ there.
A re raise on the flop raise would've cracked the bluff.
other guy is WEAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ICM implications with Sean and Ali having near identical stacks at the start of the hand, while Jake is much shorter, should tighten ranges a bit. That mixed with Ali holding the Qd, makes this fold seem not too egregious by any means. Interesting line by Sean. I doubt that it’s optimal long term, but I don’t really think anything Ali does here is that bad. He basically has the worst hand he can have here on the river, other than maybe some Ax flush draws, though, again for ICM reasons, many of those are more inclined to fold/flat pre than 4bet.
By your logic then Winters line doesn't make sense, as he should also play much tighter against a stack that just covers him, as he has no incentive the play a big pot here (Jake has 38 BB so he is not that short). So when he does this, he's only repping a set of JJs or KKs, even AA it's thin of a river jam, because he's only beating AK which he blocks, QQs and 10s which won't call. And Aces probably don't take this line, as I think aces bets bigger on the flop, and or will check behind on turn for pot control to avoid JJ and KK. Even if he takes this line I don't see Aces jamming river if he is betting small on flop and turn with ICM implications. He would just go for a crying call to get max vaue.
Why would aces bet bigger on flop. Opponent just called a 5 bet. Their range is super weighed to having 2 outs or AK. His sizing is literally perfect imo.
@@CanadianLoveKnot he doesnt check river with aces because like you said, opponent only has AK QQ there that sre worst (hands he is VERY likely to have given preflop) and will literally check back 100% of the time with these and will only bet when he has AA beat or some sort of preposterous bluff of which I don't know of any that exist. You have to bet to protect your already thin bluff range and also to get value from these hands. Its a narrow range but this hand is super narrow already.
@@markkelso871 If he has Aces than how can Ali be weight towards AK? Since Winter blocks AK? Aces in a 5 bet pot is actually very vulnerable, since Ali is actually weighted towards big pairs not AK. If Winter has AA here, and Ali calls a 5bet in position. - AA doesn't really want to bet 10% of pot here, instead he wants to setup a turn jam on a brick based on the SPR is below 1 before the flop along with ICM considerations - Aces might even just jam flop to be honest - the pot is already huge - and again Ali is weighted towards big pairs. When the K comes on the turn, it's actually a really bad card now in a 5 bet pot. Winter is hoping Ali has AK, and should want to check call OOP here now, because Ali can easily have JJ and KK at this point, and AK will either bet turn in position or will call a river bet if it checks behind. If Ali has any bluffs he will try to steal the pot on turn, which is why a check from Winter with AA OOP makes the most sense. If check check, then AAs can value bet river or again go for the check call. If he does bet turn, okay fine, but he's repping a very narrow range now, if he has AA then he has to check call river, he cannot jam OOP, only JJ or KK can do that. JJ kinda makes the most sense, based on post flop play because it unblocks AK and would bet tiny on the flop like that, but I don't think it 5 bet min clicks it back pre. So again it's a weird line, because pre he is repping AA or KK. Pretty sick stuff.
@@CanadianLoveKnot I attempted a very similar bluff in Bobby's Room about a year ago or so (it was a 100/200/400 mixed game) and ended up with the exact same result although it's quite riskier when 1/4 of your entire bankroll is on the table, lol.