@katelovegood7961 I've never really watched that show, but I heard people didn't like how a character named Chloe was handled. I personally think authors shouldn't put things like this in their work. It only makes the story worse.
The Fl will forgive the villains and shitty male characters for the most heinous abuse and then stand back and watch as her sycophants murder the villainess for **checks notes** publicly embarrassing her.
Iroh, Omniman, Vegeta, Snape: We forgive you for everything. Mai, Catra, PB, Ashi: You *T H O T S* Oddly enough Mai still gets hate to this day for daring to love Zuko, 16 years on.
@@falconeshieldAnd it repeats again with Gwen in the latest Spider-Verse film lol. Some fans are willing to overlook Miguel treating Miles harshly and basically let the multiverse’s canon deaths keep happening because ‘it’s necessary’ and he’s just ‘doing what he thought was right’. Also, he lost his kid and accidentally destroyed an entire universe so he’s suddenly all justified. And yet Gwen gets all the hate for simply hiding this truth from Miles because she just didn’t know how to break this horrible truth to him without breaking him apart, especially when Miles is pretty much her only real friend and possibly more, and she did learn from her mistake at the end. Yes, she should’ve at least tried harder, but then again so did Peter B., Spider-Ham, and Peni, and yet they never got as much hate from certain fans as Gwen did lol.
Weirdly enough, Mean Girls of all movies gave its villianess the benifet of the doubt. Regina has a mother that enables her and a father that isn't super present, she seemed to struggle with eating, she seems to have anger issues and in the end she was just a normal girl that got carried away by her ambition and selfishness and gave in to her worst toxic traits, and in the end of the movie we're shown that she became a normal high schooler
Mean girls is literally trying to prove a point about the girls that get called mean lol it’s meant to be funny and deconstruct the idea of a mean girl. I don’t think anyone is ever going to be nice towards someone who is after their partner though so tbh this made sense. I don’t care about their life story. And if it’s in the main woman’s POV I would expect her reaction to be like a real persons. She’s probably gonna be angry and call her dumb and see the worst in her. Men do it too. It’s called jealousy and anger. How else is someone supposed to feel about someone knowingly trying to harm their relationship? Sometimes we have to consider what we’re reading and not ask books to start making characters less human for the sake of sounding good in discussion. There’s a difference between a misogynistic book and a book where a specific character is angry at another woman who has wronged them
Oh my god, thank you so much! 😭❤️Most of my videos are terrible, so I’m sorry to disappoint you in advance, but I really appreciate the nice comment ❤️
The protagonist is a self-insert, thus, having a female antagonist who has any valid reason for opposing her, interferes with the fantasy of being perfect and always right.
@@averycheesypotatoNow that you mention it, it is kinda true. I guess it's more about appealing to the female audience then, you know, having the vilainess be stupid and all while the romance target is hot as fuck and redeamable (he often should not as mass murder is mass murder no matter how poorly your mother raised you.)
Yeah, I am a man but I also noticed this. Whatever, in my case, what I noticed was that it was more likely for the male villains to be "pure force of evil" (ex: Voldermort) and women to be more like... Mundane and annoying (ex: Dolores Umbridge). I mean, one is a metaphor for a Nazi but is the other one that gets more hate, perhaps because it is more relatable to the audiences...
I don't know that it's really a gendered thing. Disney movies seem like they should be the most "typically stories" possible, and their most forceful villain was probably Maleficent. Forceful villains always have appeal. Their role in the story requires them to have a lot of "animal virtue", like strength, cunning, and force of will. These virtues may be the lowest, but they are the most undeniable; and everyone fantasizes about having them at some point. Bureaucratic villains like Umbridge, meanwhile, are threatening by virtue of their place in society; so they can be more like real evil people. They are both evil and disgusting, with only pathetic traits like pettiness and a delicate ego.
It's more relatable because it hits closer home to the target audience being teens to young adults. Having your parents killed is not something people experience thus can't really relate that much. However pretty sure everyone has had a Dolores esque teacher that they just despised. Thus it's more relatable. Swap both characters and it will still be the same, make Dolores hot and it will change, make voldy hot and ill change again.
It's honestly so refreshing to see more people speak about this issue, I mean, I do not read novels, but coming from a manhwa reader this is so true. I hate how the villainess's only character trait is to fawn over a man she cannot get. If you go ahead and read comments from a manhwa, people always drool over the hot villains but they always find a way to harass the villainesses. It's sad to see.
As a manhwa reader, my experience reading manhwa was definitely an inspiration for this video. Recently, I started checking out some Western romance, thinking that it might be a bit more progressive… but nope! It has all the same tropes and same cliches as typical manhwa
I've only read like 2 villainess manhwa like that. Most of the ones I read are more of the men fawning over the woman (sometimes she has a harem). What kind of manhwa are you reading?
this kinda reminds of chloe from miraculous cause apparently she was supposed to get a redemption arc but the creator who based her off of a girl who bullied him in high school didn’t want taht
If the "redemption" arc consisted on her being nice because she got what she wanted and her being forgiven for all the pain she inflicted whitout having to appologise to any of her victim because she had a sad life then I'm glad that it got cancelled
And then they substitute her by a shallow character that is Zoe. But something that I like about Zoe hero design and her name 'Wasperia' is that she is based on wasp, and wasps are know for being the predator of bees, it's eat it eggs and the way it invade the colony is cruel. I like to think that Zoe being a wasp is some kind of joke from the production team, to show how Zoe was meant to destroyed Chloe character.
While she didn't deserve forgiveness this is so on point because she didn't get forgiveness meanwhile the douchebag that is Felix gets his because he has tragic past. Chloe has tragic past too. This is so accurate to the video.
@eleonorepb4565 Again, male characters do worse without getting nearly as much hate. This is the show where Gabriel Agreste got any sympathy at all after it being shown that he would try to mind control his own son to use him against Ladybug if he found out his secret identity in Chat Blanc.
And i was rooting for the redemption arc of chloe. She had so much potential.... The reason why i quit watching MLB the characters never learn and always follows the same stupid rope/keep making the same mistakes despite the fact that they already learned that this was bad
The first one is just like… Dr Doofeinshmirtz but instead of growing and healing from his difficult past he allows grief and pain to overcome him and continue a cycle of hate.
Honestly as a bi girl I tend to latch on to the villainesses with the second description. Like the fact that everyone, including her own writer, hates her just makes me want to defend her even more
@@eleonorepb4565 I kinda meant teenage mean kids. Also Bob's the only male villain to be flat as hell, and they made sure to make him funny and not so much of a 'bitch' as they did with Chloe and Lila
@@rainpooper7088 it's not because a specific character don't fit what you are saying that no one is allowed to bring him. That character exist is treated in a similar way than Chloé, in fact even Chloé is threated as less evil because she was neglected even if that sad past don't mean that she should get everything she wants
It says more about the corners of the internet that i frequent (tumblr) than anything else that i thought the villainess' segment would be about how her evilness and killing and causing unmeasurable amounts of pain to everybody to ever exist made her unresistable.
Alas, this type of misogyny is still a big problem in writing today. But don't worry, we can all do our part in fighting it by writing complex, dynamic villainesses :)
Its not misogymy its that the female writer/reader has romantic interest in the villain but no interest in the villainess. _About 78 percent of staffers at all levels and 59 percent of executives in the publishing industry identified as women in the survey.Apr 10, 2023_ Do Women Dominate Publishing? - by Anne Trubek _in 2014, a study conducted by the RWA revealed that, in the United States, women made up eighty-two percent of romance book buyers, with men holding eighteen percent._ Readership - UNSUITABLE - Sites@Duke Express
@@mystellerIt’s a webtoon and it does take quite a few chapters before you get to the villain part, but Kubera has one of the best female antagonists that I’ve read ETA: Dear X also on webtoon is another good one except this time the villain is the protagonist
Gahh it breaks my heart that male characters always get the benefit of the doubt when people are always looking for reasons to vilify female characters!!! This is wayyy too accurate!
About 78 percent of staffers at all levels and 59 percent of executives in the publishing industry identified as women in the survey.Apr 10, 2023 Do Women Dominate Publishing? - by Anne Trubek
in 2014, a study conducted by the RWA revealed that, in the United States, women made up eighty-two percent of romance book buyers, with men holding eighteen percent. Readership - UNSUITABLE - Sites@Duke Express@@Hello-hello-hello456
@@AlfieReginald true! When I complain about poorly-written villainesses I specifically mean antagonists of the story, and those are usually terribly written regardless of whether the actual FL is a saintess or a villainess :( But I’m at least happy we get strong female leads now
To be fair! ... half the time the villain is also supposed to be the love interest, so he has to be "redeemable" (aka tragic tm) and unbearably hot, while villainesses (or "villainesses" who are merely slightly annoying people, but absolutely hated by the MC) are almost exclusively stuck in the "competition" role. It is even sadder once it becomes clear, that this has purpose. Teaching girls that other girls are "competition" over getting a man - and only getting a man. So the villainess (or "villainess" who barely qualifies as a schoolyard bully) ist just the way she is, because... nature? Or it's the represenation of everyone the author disliked.
Bro, it's the same when the roles are reversed. When MC is either a heterosexual male or a homosexual female, and a villainess is among the romance interests, she will have redeemable qualities too while any other men coveting her are borderline (or outright) r*pist aholes. Or just aholes. So your first point applies to both sexes. Which role they'll be presented with depends on the target audience.
It's not the "teaching" of other girls. It's how girls already perceive one another. The validation is basically the same feedback loop of satisfaction as gamers when they perform a perfect combo in SF3.
@@Sizdothyx Sorry, I never played, what is it Street Fighter? Makes it difficult to really grasp the analogy, I'm afraid. In any case I haven't seen this happening in real life yet. Not saying there aren't girls like that out there (I mean romance authors seem to think that to a shocking degree), but I wouldn't say this is an universal rule. I've seen more men seeing each other as competition, which they possibly just transfer to girls 1 to 1. But that might be bias due to being around men more. And even if, one has to ask where it comes from.
Excuse me, are you trying to deny that another woman pursung the same man you are in love with, ISN'T competition? Is the heroine just supposed to not care that someone is trying to take away her chance for a relationship? This isn't 'perception', it's facts. When several humans desire the same thing (food, land, jobs, romantic partners, money, authority) they ARE in competition. And this is the basis of most wars and villainy in human history. Male or female - nothing misogynistic about it. As other replies have stated, men see other men as 'competition' in the romantic department too.
@@cmm5542 I'm not denying that. I'm critizing the notion that women have to see other as competition constantly and I mean constantly. Not just for a specific man (how often does that happen in real life anyway? Unless it's the star of the school or some celebrity I doubt it's happening all the time). The idea is often, that women are competing to be appealing all the time, even when they are in a relationship or not interested. Their entire worth is designed around being "desirable". These types of stories are designed to teach: "Yeah no, your career and skills don't matter. Your friends aren't worth anything, it's all about getting that one man". Are men seeing other men as competition? Eh, somewhat. Yeah. I see men helping other men getting the girl more often or at least building each other up. Just look at all those online forums giving dating advice. And from what I can tell male-centric love stories also have the bros, who want to help out, instead being just competition. Plus the villain isn't always competition, it can also often be the girls father, who keeps saying no. There is some variety here, while the vaillainess in female-centric love stories are stuck to one type of role specifically. And if I can't get someones affection, but someone else does... so be it. Why fight over it? That's just me personally though. I never really got why it has to be some sort of competition, where I have to absolutely despise anyone my love interest could possibly be interested in.
I read a fantasy novel like this. The book summary made it seem like the villainess was a brilliant, mysterious character who could be friend or foe to the main characters. It turned out that she was a time traveler who stole the technology and her brilliance was entirely due to seeing what was about to happen then capitalizing on it. She was actually dumber than a box of rocks with no positive personality traits and literally had a kink for being humiliated by her minions. Meanwhile, the female love interest was a "good girl" who had to keep being saved by the male protagonist and was totally subservient to everyone around her. Pretty much all her lines were either thanking the hero for saving her or telling the men around her how wonderful they were.
Yes, but don't forget the part where this is literally written by women, for women, and it is also by far the most popular self-insert category for women, see: Twilight(by far most popular novel in history, even though readership is 95% female), and the trillion quadrillion young adult derivatives of it. Women in general tend to reeeeeeeally like the idea of handsome men doing everything for them and being obsessed with them to the point of stalking and violence, which is creepy af.
Aaah yes, that most tragic of arcs - when your mother leaves you BEFORE you were born...! Meanwhile, being an evil woman just comes naturally... I guess? So funny and yet, sadly, still so true.
That's why I think it's best to have a villain COUPLE (or a duo). You could get the best (or worst) of both words. You can have them genuinely love each other, but their abhorrent actions make it harder for them to actualize that love, or maybe you have the hot male villain be a trap to lure the heroine to the villainess, or maybe you could have the mother or whatever cause of the male villain's tragic backstory come back later in the story. There's a lot you could do when you are working both villains into the story.
Why is this exactly how it is in real life too so many girls will hate you for no reason and then a guy can do the exact same thing to them or worse and they’ll get a crush on him somehow 💀
AAAAAAH I FEEL THIS SO MUCH Sometimes I really want to give a chance to modern romance/YAbooks (I'm a super romantic girl since I was a kid my conform stuff is shipping and love stories) but I can't bring myself to buy one bc SO MANY HAVE INCREDIBLY TOXIC CHARACTERS BEING PAINTED AS GOOD PEOPLE AND JUST DISRESPECT TF OUT OF ANY FEMALE CHARACTER THAT'S NOT THE MC!!! Everytime I get recommended a video of a "romance" it's the most toxic stuff that not even challenges my POV, I want to read about characters struggling and taking the top, not just some petty drama based on your innability of talking :'c
This is not just the case with villainesses but female characters in general in media that is meant to cater to females in any sort of way. The female character doesn't even need to be offensive for her to be hated by fans of such media. Even when author doesn't demonize them, public sure as hell does. Like, they look for any "flaw" that they can find with these female characters just to hate them. "Oh she is dumb / She is so bland/ She is so annoying/ etc." To an extent, I do understand it because female characters do get short end of the stick when it comes to writing, but it's funny how it only goes ONE WAY. Example: you can have the worst male character, who doesn't even need any sob back story or any form of justification for the things he is doing, and they will still look past their fingers when it comes to him just because he is meant to be attractive. Or, he can be the most boring character in the whole story, with the depth of thin paper, but if he is cute, then all is good with the world. But God forbid a female character to just as much exist in a story that isn't centered around her. May hell open before she dares to make a single mistake and have any sort of flaw. May Armageddon be upon us if she dares to be competent and smarter than our illustrious main lead. She shall never be better at anything than our 9000 IQ lead, and if she is, then she is to be burned at stake because she is 100% an evil witch.
@@jefftonsman and ive seen the resto of your commentd. Youre just trying to cope and seethe that this is mostly a Woman vs Woman problem, and You can't blame "mean ol' men" for everyrhing
Whereas my villainess in my romance has a loving husband and daughter (well... she did kinda steal her daughter though...) and she treats the main character like her own kid. ...She just rewrites any laws that would convict her murder hobo best friend and keeps everyone complacent and happy. But she's doing her best despite all the traumas of growing up in a war as the queen of a nation!
My story is action and not romance but I have two extremes of writing villains: "His philosophy is that so long as two sentient beings occupy the same space, peace becomes unattainable. That conflict is something baked within the souls of every being intelligent enough to speak and we all subconsciously desire enemies to fight against. The closest facsimile to peace one can hope for is when people who would otherwise be enemies unite together to fend off a greater threat. And since he reached this conclusion, he vowed to unite the world against himself, to create world peace by becoming a threat so large that the whole world would have no choice but to set aside their differences to face him." "Lol, IDK. He just thinks killing people is cool."
why is this so amazingly on point 😭😭😭 I despise girl vs girl conflict most of the time probably bc of how poorly the villainess is written! thank you for making this video ❤️❤️
they both like dating around, flings and all. but it makes the villian more attractive, more appealing, whilst it makes the villianess cold and terrible.
I’ll check it out! I’m watching Jujutsu Kaisen at the moment, and I like how it has some great female characters in general, so I was debating what to watch next. I guess Chainsaw Man it is
@@mysteller i love JJK... I LOVE JJK however... it doesn't handle female characters well, it doesn't do them justice. I thought it did in the beginning, it was amazing and breath-taking but slowly all that changed. It's sad but whatever I guess. But I'm broadening my horizons to move on from Shounen. I love Shounen I'll keep watching it but time for some Josei manga
@@syedarizvi7290 Problem with JJK is that Nobara and Maki are so goddamn WEAK... And it's the kind of show where characters who can fight the new, stronger villains inevitably end up sidelined. Mei Mei is strong but she has very little screen time too... I guess too many manga authors still resist making the girls as strong as the boys.
Either this or the villainess is the most fleshed out character when she's the MAIN CHARACTER - like in those reincarnated as villainess novels Hoping you'd get this as you said you read manwhas xD
You know, this is sad, but to me it’s still better than the FLs we used to get in shoujo manga, who basically _had_ to be the weakest and dumbest creature in the entire series. And every other girl would be dumb AND mean
In more recent stories, there are more villainess redemption arcs, but they are usually about them being led on and not being independent. Or just justification by making them successful in being assholes.
The villain: The imaginary Vampire husbando the 14 yr old teen girl author wants. (And might be based on a delinquent boy she has a crush on) The villainess: The girl that is bullying her in school.
Try reading a few books by male authors for a change. The villains will be dumb as rocks and the villainesses super cool and redeemable. It's all wish fulfillment either way.
Good thing I'm not straight, then I can write all my male characters in a more... objective way. I'm not into girls either, but I try to make all the female characters just as cool and complex as the guys. I also tend to give tragic back stories to almost everyone, including some of the magical beasts, sometimes even the trees
I remember, when I was a kid, Final Fantasy 7 came out... and then came the fanfiction. And so much of it involved Sephiroth being redeemed with the healing power of love provided by female characters (either Aerith - the woman he MURDERS in the story - or someone's OC). I see things haven't changed... :P
A lot of people think of romance novels too deeply, when in actuality most of them are supposed to be exactly like power fantasy isekai stories are for men; super digestable junk-food types of stories. They are meant to be super unrealistic and provide a type of escapism you don't find in more grounded pieces. The villain needs reasons to become a love intrest, while the villainess takes the forefront as the main villain of the story. That's why there's such a difference in the treatment of these two charaxter archetypes, in this specific genre.
Sure, but it should still be pointed out that junk food is unhealthy; and that this writing trope is bad. In fact, removing junk food from your diet would be good for you.
@@SidPil The people writing it? I didn't actually mention them so I am not sure why you brought it up. The only thing such writers are certainly guilty of is bad writing.
So I'm currently torn between giving my next villain, a woman, her tragic backstory, or not, because 1) her backstory is basically her being abused for the very fact that she was female, but that would mean I'd have to include gender debates in the story that already has a sufficient amount of themes 2) her past isn't actually necessary to her overall development since her personality has always been the same and even is after a mutation she went through 3) However, with the subject of old things persisting over a way too long time until they corrupt, gender debates might make for a subject as well 4) We have too many morally grey villains, some people just suck and crave chaos for no reason 5) However, as some commenters pointed out, female villains tend to be written rather blandly or have their villainy directly correlated to the fact that they're female 6) which however would also be the case for tjis specific villainess
Sorry for the unsolicited ideas, feel free to ignore them. You do have an interesting set of constraints on the character, which definitely makes for nuance being a requirement. You might try to have it show in how she's evil, maybe lawful evil. Maybe throw in a patron being who was also supposed simply for being female, but who only gives her power for just causes. Like, the being looks the other way when the villain takes a life, but they've both justified it for the good it will cause. Over time, like in death note, she loses her sense of what constitutes a just death sentence, and one day overplays her hand. From there, she could become the power, and either be a public face that is feared but respected, or be the real power but stays hidden, using her new resources to further her plans. The nice thing about how the person who made this video presented it, is that the villainess could be portrayed as becoming evil, instead of innately evil, though how you decide to make it happen will be up to you, of course
@@luisostasuc8135 no i absolutely put this comment out for ideas, so thank you, actually. So what you mean is a woman who supports her doing bad for good, basically, justifying the deed with the cause or goal? And that the villain could have an ongoing journey to becoming more evil as the story progresses? Idk, i get the feeling you're writing a different story in the comments or maybe i just don't get it but i also think it requires more knowledge about the story for anyone to really be able to give advice, which i also didn't provide The villain isn't lawful evil, she's completely chaotic because she sees herself confronted with knowing literally everything. She's basically throwing a party at the end of the world, but everyone suffers except for her (though she probably wouldn't like anything happening to her childhood friend). She's also playing a messiah of sorts, though self-proclaimed, and has quite a few followers, so she's very much public already. I was just about to write a very long comment explaining the role of her in the story, but i think it could be possible for me to present her as someone who could have not been evil without taking away from her just being a villain because. Had her parents not neglected her for being born female, she could have used her character for good and wouldn't have ran away and become what she is today. I also just noticed that technically she stands for everything a female villain could be in a medium - could be considered oversexualized (which is because she doesn't wear clothes, but she's also mutated and has four arms and six wings, insect legs, fur around neck and hips and a tail so...) and her motives are basically just because, but in a good way because at the same time she's none of this. She doesn't act sexual in any way and even though she behaves childish quite often, she literally knows everything and has manipulated entire kingdoms to fall. Also i think the main character, who is also a woman, might be a good contrast to her anyways. Idk. I think I'll just let the past stay inside the story.
I'm the narrator for a story driven tabletop game me and my friends play. Made a lot of villains. Some tragic, some misguided, but there's one villain (or villainess more like) who stands out as the player's favorite. A crazy necromancer lady who makes snarky, flirtatious remarks while the players fought her. I described her sociopathic behavior. How she enjoys to see life fade from the eyes of a man she stabbed with a dagger made from dark steel, while the man's family is forced to watch, as he now becomes a mindless zombie to serve in her little army of undead. How she haunts someone with nightmares for fun. And the players reaction? „I'mma hit that“ I'm a guy by the way, making this even weirder.
This reminds me of something a little tangential. I read a lot of science fiction, and have recently started reading romances. I've found that the solutions in romance books are often a lot less ... kinetic, than those in other books I read. Sometimes the climactic scene is the heroine giving the antagonist (or the hero, ha) an epic telling-off. Not a bad thing, but *definitely* a change of pace!
Wait....Are you telling me romance novels are actually like this??? No good writing, self inserts, "tall dark and handsome", other male leads are fill in characters, the villainess has no redemption despite being the most human out of the whole cast??
I misinterpreted the video title and thought you were going to talk about some sort of book where there is a villain and a villainess that interact with each other… Evil power couple…
@@mysteller But you know what I would appreciate more? If just like pure evil male villains, there were more pure evil villainesses but with actual character, genuine motivations, philosophy and a grand ultimate goal- despite being irredeemably evil, or even without any tragic backstory. Instead we have a toxic teenage bitch (whether the villainess or OG! FL) that isn't even purely evil, but has no depth or nuance outside of being a romantic hate sink- and you just want her to suffer so badly, without being invested in the character at all! Disney movies had FAR better PE villains and villainesses back in their golden days 😂
I don't know why, but i think it comes to many writers being women and fantasize themself being the only one to tame such generic hot villain, since is their world i don't have any objections to them fantasizing themself or self insert to their own stories
Sometimes, it's the female villain who is written in shades of grey, and sometimes she even switches sides. But is it mostly because she is a complex, multilayered character with actual reasons for her shift? Oh, you naive fools! Of course not! She is a *gullable woman* who doesn't know what she actually wants. When she was influenced by the male villain, she was evil. Then she fell in love with the main hero, betrayed her principles and became good. Basically every female Bond villainess. 😅
I'm actually reading one book series, where (on 19th tome lol) was revealed truth, where main character(literally god of death and afterlife) and his "main" foe(goddess-protector of humanity lmao) was allies, who lost half of his and quarter of her souls, and while mc was recovering, she went insane and fell to a demon's trap and literally slaughtered every god of their world and even tried to kill main character, but he somehow managed to survive... And pretty much every other readers of this story think, that he will include her into his goddamn harem... Like bruh...
I came across this video randomly and I’m glad I did even tho I haven’t read any romance books to get the joke at first, but I found this video hilarious anyways😂. You have a really nice voice as well👍
I 100% think the female villianesses in romance is meant to be someone who bullied the author in high school. 😂
Never thought of that, but that’s probably it 😆
Or was a caricature of one of the author's ex
Chloe in Miraculous Ladybug is actually based on a girl that bullied the author 😭
@katelovegood7961 I've never really watched that show, but I heard people didn't like how a character named Chloe was handled. I personally think authors shouldn't put things like this in their work. It only makes the story worse.
@@katelovegood7961 of course she is
Villain: The bad boy in high school the authoress had a crush on
Villainess: His girlfriend
this adds perspective to how the villian and villianess can do the same thing but it will the villian more appealing and the villianess worse.
Oh, it's the opposite in my case 😇 My crush was dumb af and his gf was smart, knew Math and stuff 🤔
@@mishynaofficial now write a book where the villain is a himbo and the villainess is a nerd
@@jmvt3 it's giving "Wednesday" big time. They also set it in school lol
Accurate comment 😂
"If only there was someone to love him sincerely..."
Cue female lead's dramatic entrance 😂
*sprays and fans instantly*
@@studiouskid1528depends how they write it
@@ETOILEPHANTOME, exactly, love can actually heal, the key would be to write it well
Love how NONE of his backstory makes sense because she LEFT BEFORE he was BORN
Doofenshmirtz.
@@AlexBadgerDON'T YOU DARE COMPARE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AND KIND MAN TO SUCH A THING! MR. DOOF IS BETTER THAN THAT
@@ToastallyManonMcMarrington I have sinned
@@AlexBadger HIS PARENTS DIDNT EVEN SHOW UP TO HIS OWN BIRTH!!!!!
Guy's got that Dr. Doofenhmirtz backstory ouch..
The Fl will forgive the villains and shitty male characters for the most heinous abuse and then stand back and watch as her sycophants murder the villainess for **checks notes** publicly embarrassing her.
That’s exactly how it goes 🥲
Iroh, Omniman, Vegeta, Snape: We forgive you for everything.
Mai, Catra, PB, Ashi: You
*T H O T S*
Oddly enough Mai still gets hate to this day for daring to love Zuko, 16 years on.
@@falconeshield*laughs in catradora*
@@falconeshieldyou hit the nail on the head
@@falconeshieldAnd it repeats again with Gwen in the latest Spider-Verse film lol.
Some fans are willing to overlook Miguel treating Miles harshly and basically let the multiverse’s canon deaths keep happening because ‘it’s necessary’ and he’s just ‘doing what he thought was right’. Also, he lost his kid and accidentally destroyed an entire universe so he’s suddenly all justified.
And yet Gwen gets all the hate for simply hiding this truth from Miles because she just didn’t know how to break this horrible truth to him without breaking him apart, especially when Miles is pretty much her only real friend and possibly more, and she did learn from her mistake at the end.
Yes, she should’ve at least tried harder, but then again so did Peter B., Spider-Ham, and Peni, and yet they never got as much hate from certain fans as Gwen did lol.
Weirdly enough, Mean Girls of all movies gave its villianess the benifet of the doubt. Regina has a mother that enables her and a father that isn't super present, she seemed to struggle with eating, she seems to have anger issues and in the end she was just a normal girl that got carried away by her ambition and selfishness and gave in to her worst toxic traits, and in the end of the movie we're shown that she became a normal high schooler
I don’t remember the original very well, but I just went to see the new one last night and thought something similar!
Mean girls is literally trying to prove a point about the girls that get called mean lol it’s meant to be funny and deconstruct the idea of a mean girl. I don’t think anyone is ever going to be nice towards someone who is after their partner though so tbh this made sense. I don’t care about their life story. And if it’s in the main woman’s POV I would expect her reaction to be like a real persons. She’s probably gonna be angry and call her dumb and see the worst in her. Men do it too. It’s called jealousy and anger. How else is someone supposed to feel about someone knowingly trying to harm their relationship? Sometimes we have to consider what we’re reading and not ask books to start making characters less human for the sake of sounding good in discussion. There’s a difference between a misogynistic book and a book where a specific character is angry at another woman who has wronged them
Just another reason why mean girls is a masterpiece
@@Nothereforit174 weren't Regina and Aaron Samuels exes by the time Cady arrived at school?
Ok but iirc she is brutally mauled by a bus at the end? lol
HIS MOTHER LEFT HIM BEFORE HE WAS BORN
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"It all started the day I was born. Both of my parents failed to show up."
@@ilikecookies9796i was about to make the same reference 😭
@@ilikecookies9796 I love finding random doof references
lmaoo
"His mother left him before he was born..." it took me a couple seconds but then I started laughing out loud
The protagonist is a self-insert, thus, having a female antagonist who has any valid reason for opposing her, interferes with the fantasy of being perfect and always right.
Male authors (in many genres) write villainesses this way too though
@@averycheesypotato Male authors write one dimensional villainess because want evil bitches who will flatten their cocks.
@@averycheesypotato any famous example?
@@averycheesypotatoNow that you mention it, it is kinda true. I guess it's more about appealing to the female audience then, you know, having the vilainess be stupid and all while the romance target is hot as fuck and redeamable (he often should not as mass murder is mass murder no matter how poorly your mother raised you.)
@@adroitws1367miraculous
Literally 😭😭 the discrepancy is ridiculous 💀💀
100% 🥲
Yeah, I am a man but I also noticed this. Whatever, in my case, what I noticed was that it was more likely for the male villains to be "pure force of evil" (ex: Voldermort) and women to be more like... Mundane and annoying (ex: Dolores Umbridge). I mean, one is a metaphor for a Nazi but is the other one that gets more hate, perhaps because it is more relatable to the audiences...
It's sad that the author kinda became Umbrige since 2019
@@falconeshield 😂
I don't know that it's really a gendered thing. Disney movies seem like they should be the most "typically stories" possible, and their most forceful villain was probably Maleficent.
Forceful villains always have appeal. Their role in the story requires them to have a lot of "animal virtue", like strength, cunning, and force of will. These virtues may be the lowest, but they are the most undeniable; and everyone fantasizes about having them at some point.
Bureaucratic villains like Umbridge, meanwhile, are threatening by virtue of their place in society; so they can be more like real evil people. They are both evil and disgusting, with only pathetic traits like pettiness and a delicate ego.
It's more relatable because it hits closer home to the target audience being teens to young adults.
Having your parents killed is not something people experience thus can't really relate that much. However pretty sure everyone has had a Dolores esque teacher that they just despised. Thus it's more relatable.
Swap both characters and it will still be the same, make Dolores hot and it will change, make voldy hot and ill change again.
@@falconeshield J.K. Rowling : "men are men and women are women"
> millenials who use Twitter everyday: "you are LITERALLY Dolores Umbridge"
😂
"He was hiding all these scars behind his **sultry voice** perfectly shaped body😏"
"Ruby red eyes"
I died 😭
I love that Princess Tutu avoided this cliche
People should really watch it like it's so cute, so melancholic, yet so calming
I added it to my to-watch list a loong time ago, when I just started watching anime, and I never got to it. I guess now I should!
@@mysteller DEFINITELY!🤩❣
That anime traumatized me omg, one of the saddest animes I've ever watched
It's honestly so refreshing to see more people speak about this issue, I mean, I do not read novels, but coming from a manhwa reader this is so true. I hate how the villainess's only character trait is to fawn over a man she cannot get.
If you go ahead and read comments from a manhwa, people always drool over the hot villains but they always find a way to harass the villainesses. It's sad to see.
As a manhwa reader, my experience reading manhwa was definitely an inspiration for this video. Recently, I started checking out some Western romance, thinking that it might be a bit more progressive… but nope! It has all the same tropes and same cliches as typical manhwa
Literally every royal romance manwha follows this trope, it's why I stopped reading that genre altogether
@studiouskid1528 do you have any suggestions?
@studiouskid1528 thanks, I really appreciate it!
I've only read like 2 villainess manhwa like that. Most of the ones I read are more of the men fawning over the woman (sometimes she has a harem). What kind of manhwa are you reading?
this kinda reminds of chloe from miraculous cause apparently she was supposed to get a redemption arc but the creator who based her off of a girl who bullied him in high school didn’t want taht
If the "redemption" arc consisted on her being nice because she got what she wanted and her being forgiven for all the pain she inflicted whitout having to appologise to any of her victim because she had a sad life then I'm glad that it got cancelled
And then they substitute her by a shallow character that is Zoe. But something that I like about Zoe hero design and her name 'Wasperia' is that she is based on wasp, and wasps are know for being the predator of bees, it's eat it eggs and the way it invade the colony is cruel. I like to think that Zoe being a wasp is some kind of joke from the production team, to show how Zoe was meant to destroyed Chloe character.
While she didn't deserve forgiveness this is so on point because she didn't get forgiveness meanwhile the douchebag that is Felix gets his because he has tragic past. Chloe has tragic past too. This is so accurate to the video.
@eleonorepb4565
Again, male characters do worse without getting nearly as much hate. This is the show where Gabriel Agreste got any sympathy at all after it being shown that he would try to mind control his own son to use him against Ladybug if he found out his secret identity in Chat Blanc.
And i was rooting for the redemption arc of chloe. She had so much potential....
The reason why i quit watching MLB the characters never learn and always follows the same stupid rope/keep making the same mistakes despite the fact that they already learned that this was bad
The first one is just like… Dr Doofeinshmirtz but instead of growing and healing from his difficult past he allows grief and pain to overcome him and continue a cycle of hate.
zach snyder's gritty realistic phineas and ferb reboot
"His mother left him before he was even born and before she left she told him how much she hates him for ruining her life" 😂
😂😂😂
That means his mother told an unborn child that he suck
@@leonhartono1400 who tf asked you???
I'm here for the bisexual heroines who meet a villain and a villainess both described like the villain in this video lmao
Honestly as a bi girl I tend to latch on to the villainesses with the second description. Like the fact that everyone, including her own writer, hates her just makes me want to defend her even more
@@kjarakravik4837Needless contrarians are cringe.
@@kjarakravik4837 you must love eveyr person who gets attacked on Twitter
@@TheStraightestWhitestI mean, the person above is just a teenage girl. It's not exactly surprising.
@@papapalps2415 True enough.
I'm dying! This is exactly how I felt when I started getting into Isekai.
Same!
miraculous ladybug writing mean guys vs mean girls
Yeah the music producer is a so deep villain while Nathalie is only mean
@@eleonorepb4565 I kinda meant teenage mean kids. Also Bob's the only male villain to be flat as hell, and they made sure to make him funny and not so much of a 'bitch' as they did with Chloe and Lila
@eleonorepb4565
If you need to pull out freaking Bob to make your point, you've already lost the argument.
@@rainpooper7088 it's not because a specific character don't fit what you are saying that no one is allowed to bring him. That character exist is treated in a similar way than Chloé, in fact even Chloé is threated as less evil because she was neglected even if that sad past don't mean that she should get everything she wants
It says more about the corners of the internet that i frequent (tumblr) than anything else that i thought the villainess' segment would be about how her evilness and killing and causing unmeasurable amounts of pain to everybody to ever exist made her unresistable.
honestly i expected the same
As many as theres girl fawning over hot male villain is the equal amount of men wanting to be just killed by sadistic women.
And I am the latter
Alas, this type of misogyny is still a big problem in writing today. But don't worry, we can all do our part in fighting it by writing complex, dynamic villainesses :)
I’m not a writer, but I’ll eagerly contribute as a reader if I see any suggestions for stories with well-written female antagonists
@@mysteller would you like to be an ARC reader some time in the future?
@@syedarizvi7290never considered it tbh :)
Its not misogymy its that the female writer/reader has romantic interest in the villain but no interest in the villainess.
_About 78 percent of staffers at all levels and 59 percent of executives in the publishing industry identified as women in the survey.Apr 10, 2023_
Do Women Dominate Publishing? - by Anne Trubek
_in 2014, a study conducted by the RWA revealed that, in the United States, women made up eighty-two percent of romance book buyers, with men holding eighteen percent._
Readership - UNSUITABLE - Sites@Duke Express
@@mystellerIt’s a webtoon and it does take quite a few chapters before you get to the villain part, but Kubera has one of the best female antagonists that I’ve read
ETA: Dear X also on webtoon is another good one except this time the villain is the protagonist
Gahh it breaks my heart that male characters always get the benefit of the doubt when people are always looking for reasons to vilify female characters!!! This is wayyy too accurate!
It's sadly a reflection of society. You'll find the same thing in many, many spaces on the internet.
@@Hello-hello-hello456 Oh for sure :(
About 78 percent of staffers at all levels and 59 percent of executives in the publishing industry identified as women in the survey.Apr 10, 2023
Do Women Dominate Publishing? - by Anne Trubek
in 2014, a study conducted by the RWA revealed that, in the United States, women made up eighty-two percent of romance book buyers, with men holding eighteen percent.
Readership - UNSUITABLE - Sites@Duke Express@@Hello-hello-hello456
I mean, it's not like these books are being written by men for men...
This is why I like to read villainess isekai/reincarnation/time travel/transmigration stories...🤣😂🤣😂🤣
yup, that’s literally the only thing I read 😃
they still do the same thing tho ;-; there's always some bestie or higher ranking noble's daughter scheming
@@AlfieReginald true! When I complain about poorly-written villainesses I specifically mean antagonists of the story, and those are usually terribly written regardless of whether the actual FL is a saintess or a villainess :(
But I’m at least happy we get strong female leads now
@@AlfieReginaldnot always! My Next Life As a Villianess is great!
I'm in Love with the Villainess is really cute too.
@@AlfieReginaldTry reading the 'kill the villainess ' manhwa or novel the female characters are well written
To be fair! ... half the time the villain is also supposed to be the love interest, so he has to be "redeemable" (aka tragic tm) and unbearably hot, while villainesses (or "villainesses" who are merely slightly annoying people, but absolutely hated by the MC) are almost exclusively stuck in the "competition" role.
It is even sadder once it becomes clear, that this has purpose. Teaching girls that other girls are "competition" over getting a man - and only getting a man. So the villainess (or "villainess" who barely qualifies as a schoolyard bully) ist just the way she is, because... nature? Or it's the represenation of everyone the author disliked.
Bro, it's the same when the roles are reversed. When MC is either a heterosexual male or a homosexual female, and a villainess is among the romance interests, she will have redeemable qualities too while any other men coveting her are borderline (or outright) r*pist aholes. Or just aholes.
So your first point applies to both sexes. Which role they'll be presented with depends on the target audience.
It's not the "teaching" of other girls. It's how girls already perceive one another. The validation is basically the same feedback loop of satisfaction as gamers when they perform a perfect combo in SF3.
@@Sizdothyx Sorry, I never played, what is it Street Fighter? Makes it difficult to really grasp the analogy, I'm afraid. In any case I haven't seen this happening in real life yet. Not saying there aren't girls like that out there (I mean romance authors seem to think that to a shocking degree), but I wouldn't say this is an universal rule. I've seen more men seeing each other as competition, which they possibly just transfer to girls 1 to 1. But that might be bias due to being around men more.
And even if, one has to ask where it comes from.
Excuse me, are you trying to deny that another woman pursung the same man you are in love with, ISN'T competition? Is the heroine just supposed to not care that someone is trying to take away her chance for a relationship?
This isn't 'perception', it's facts. When several humans desire the same thing (food, land, jobs, romantic partners, money, authority) they ARE in competition. And this is the basis of most wars and villainy in human history. Male or female - nothing misogynistic about it.
As other replies have stated, men see other men as 'competition' in the romantic department too.
@@cmm5542 I'm not denying that. I'm critizing the notion that women have to see other as competition constantly and I mean constantly. Not just for a specific man (how often does that happen in real life anyway? Unless it's the star of the school or some celebrity I doubt it's happening all the time). The idea is often, that women are competing to be appealing all the time, even when they are in a relationship or not interested. Their entire worth is designed around being "desirable". These types of stories are designed to teach: "Yeah no, your career and skills don't matter. Your friends aren't worth anything, it's all about getting that one man".
Are men seeing other men as competition? Eh, somewhat. Yeah. I see men helping other men getting the girl more often or at least building each other up. Just look at all those online forums giving dating advice. And from what I can tell male-centric love stories also have the bros, who want to help out, instead being just competition. Plus the villain isn't always competition, it can also often be the girls father, who keeps saying no. There is some variety here, while the vaillainess in female-centric love stories are stuck to one type of role specifically.
And if I can't get someones affection, but someone else does... so be it. Why fight over it? That's just me personally though. I never really got why it has to be some sort of competition, where I have to absolutely despise anyone my love interest could possibly be interested in.
I read a fantasy novel like this. The book summary made it seem like the villainess was a brilliant, mysterious character who could be friend or foe to the main characters. It turned out that she was a time traveler who stole the technology and her brilliance was entirely due to seeing what was about to happen then capitalizing on it. She was actually dumber than a box of rocks with no positive personality traits and literally had a kink for being humiliated by her minions. Meanwhile, the female love interest was a "good girl" who had to keep being saved by the male protagonist and was totally subservient to everyone around her. Pretty much all her lines were either thanking the hero for saving her or telling the men around her how wonderful they were.
Yes, but don't forget the part where this is literally written by women, for women, and it is also by far the most popular self-insert category for women, see: Twilight(by far most popular novel in history, even though readership is 95% female), and the trillion quadrillion young adult derivatives of it. Women in general tend to reeeeeeeally like the idea of handsome men doing everything for them and being obsessed with them to the point of stalking and violence, which is creepy af.
Aaah yes, that most tragic of arcs - when your mother leaves you BEFORE you were born...! Meanwhile, being an evil woman just comes naturally... I guess?
So funny and yet, sadly, still so true.
“His mother left him before he was even born”
Not even 10 seconds into the video and I’m already cackling lol
Out of the two, the second is more believable.
Pure evil dark hearts are rare, whereas annoying pathetic evil seems to be everywhere.
That's why I think it's best to have a villain COUPLE (or a duo). You could get the best (or worst) of both words. You can have them genuinely love each other, but their abhorrent actions make it harder for them to actualize that love, or maybe you have the hot male villain be a trap to lure the heroine to the villainess, or maybe you could have the mother or whatever cause of the male villain's tragic backstory come back later in the story. There's a lot you could do when you are working both villains into the story.
Why is this exactly how it is in real life too so many girls will hate you for no reason and then a guy can do the exact same thing to them or worse and they’ll get a crush on him somehow 💀
It literally do be like that, and don't even get me started on all of the fandoms I know who just go further with these ideas.
AAAAAAH I FEEL THIS SO MUCH
Sometimes I really want to give a chance to modern romance/YAbooks (I'm a super romantic girl since I was a kid my conform stuff is shipping and love stories) but I can't bring myself to buy one bc SO MANY HAVE INCREDIBLY TOXIC CHARACTERS BEING PAINTED AS GOOD PEOPLE AND JUST DISRESPECT TF OUT OF ANY FEMALE CHARACTER THAT'S NOT THE MC!!!
Everytime I get recommended a video of a "romance" it's the most toxic stuff that not even challenges my POV, I want to read about characters struggling and taking the top, not just some petty drama based on your innability of talking :'c
💯 agree! Toxic characters is one thing, but the miscommunication trope to create drama brings these stories a whole other level beneath the ground
i expected "she's hot"
This is not just the case with villainesses but female characters in general in media that is meant to cater to females in any sort of way. The female character doesn't even need to be offensive for her to be hated by fans of such media. Even when author doesn't demonize them, public sure as hell does. Like, they look for any "flaw" that they can find with these female characters just to hate them. "Oh she is dumb / She is so bland/ She is so annoying/ etc."
To an extent, I do understand it because female characters do get short end of the stick when it comes to writing, but it's funny how it only goes ONE WAY. Example: you can have the worst male character, who doesn't even need any sob back story or any form of justification for the things he is doing, and they will still look past their fingers when it comes to him just because he is meant to be attractive. Or, he can be the most boring character in the whole story, with the depth of thin paper, but if he is cute, then all is good with the world.
But God forbid a female character to just as much exist in a story that isn't centered around her. May hell open before she dares to make a single mistake and have any sort of flaw. May Armageddon be upon us if she dares to be competent and smarter than our illustrious main lead. She shall never be better at anything than our 9000 IQ lead, and if she is, then she is to be burned at stake because she is 100% an evil witch.
But what's funny is that it's the same women basically who do this. Like, men don't care if the male characters hot lol
@@hecrosegreat3943 Yes they do
@@jefftonsman uh....no
@@jefftonsman and ive seen the resto of your commentd. Youre just trying to cope and seethe that this is mostly a Woman vs Woman problem, and You can't blame "mean ol' men" for everyrhing
@@hecrosegreat3943 uh yes
Whereas my villainess in my romance has a loving husband and daughter (well... she did kinda steal her daughter though...) and she treats the main character like her own kid. ...She just rewrites any laws that would convict her murder hobo best friend and keeps everyone complacent and happy. But she's doing her best despite all the traumas of growing up in a war as the queen of a nation!
Doesn’t sound much like a villainess then.
My story is action and not romance but I have two extremes of writing villains:
"His philosophy is that so long as two sentient beings occupy the same space, peace becomes unattainable. That conflict is something baked within the souls of every being intelligent enough to speak and we all subconsciously desire enemies to fight against. The closest facsimile to peace one can hope for is when people who would otherwise be enemies unite together to fend off a greater threat. And since he reached this conclusion, he vowed to unite the world against himself, to create world peace by becoming a threat so large that the whole world would have no choice but to set aside their differences to face him."
"Lol, IDK. He just thinks killing people is cool."
Both are actually pretty applicable. The first one is Uchiha Madara.
The other one is Sukuna.
why is this so amazingly on point 😭😭😭 I despise girl vs girl conflict most of the time probably bc of how poorly the villainess is written! thank you for making this video ❤️❤️
Thank you for your comment!
they both like dating around, flings and all. but it makes the villian more attractive, more appealing, whilst it makes the villianess cold and terrible.
Why is it so accurate T_T
So basically the "I can fix him" trope but if the genders were switched.
No
If I read the word "unalived" in a real honest to god book I'm going to go practice my euphamisms on the author.
Is this why I love nuanced female villains. Try Chainsaw Man, you won't be disappointed!
I’ll check it out! I’m watching Jujutsu Kaisen at the moment, and I like how it has some great female characters in general, so I was debating what to watch next. I guess Chainsaw Man it is
@@mysteller i love JJK... I LOVE JJK however... it doesn't handle female characters well, it doesn't do them justice. I thought it did in the beginning, it was amazing and breath-taking but slowly all that changed. It's sad but whatever I guess. But I'm broadening my horizons to move on from Shounen. I love Shounen I'll keep watching it but time for some Josei manga
@mysteller well if anything, Claymore cast is entirely female and it's an amazing read. Deep, flawed, interesting characters
@@looniemoonie5955 I’ll check it out as well! Thanks!
@@syedarizvi7290 Problem with JJK is that Nobara and Maki are so goddamn WEAK... And it's the kind of show where characters who can fight the new, stronger villains inevitably end up sidelined. Mei Mei is strong but she has very little screen time too...
I guess too many manga authors still resist making the girls as strong as the boys.
Either this or the villainess is the most fleshed out character when she's the MAIN CHARACTER - like in those reincarnated as villainess novels
Hoping you'd get this as you said you read manwhas xD
You know, this is sad, but to me it’s still better than the FLs we used to get in shoujo manga, who basically _had_ to be the weakest and dumbest creature in the entire series. And every other girl would be dumb AND mean
i did see villainess better written than the main characters though
Why can't we have villainesses with better writing like Azula and Akito Sohma?
The best way to write a female character is to treat it the same way you would as a male character, otherwise it’ll get too petty 😂
In more recent stories, there are more villainess redemption arcs, but they are usually about them being led on and not being independent. Or just justification by making them successful in being assholes.
Just make stuff up
The villain: The imaginary Vampire husbando the 14 yr old teen girl author wants. (And might be based on a delinquent boy she has a crush on)
The villainess: The girl that is bullying her in school.
This is so hilarious because of how spot on it is!
0:00 The historical event in the play
1:00 The actual even
That's why I like romance fantasy manga and webtoons on villainesses they usually subvert the genre.
I don't remember any moment where the villanes is being represented as a tragic character rather than just a hateful vindictive witch.
Try reading a few books by male authors for a change. The villains will be dumb as rocks and the villainesses super cool and redeemable.
It's all wish fulfillment either way.
@@cmm5542 Could you give me a list of these authors and their books, please?
Good thing I'm not straight, then I can write all my male characters in a more... objective way. I'm not into girls either, but I try to make all the female characters just as cool and complex as the guys. I also tend to give tragic back stories to almost everyone, including some of the magical beasts, sometimes even the trees
Wait, trees?!
Ngl- Your accent during the narration should be on audiobooks, it ROCKS!
Thank you 🥹❤️
@@mysteller anytime!!! :DDDD
This is why I'm in Love with the Villainess stays being superior
Male Villain: Tragic backstory
Female Villain: "I thought being a villain would be cool"
“His mother left him before he was even born” Dr.Doofenshmirtz reference? His parents didn’t show up to his birth.
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
I love how for the villainess she basically wrote the heroine of every Harlequin romance novel ever.
Meanwhile in Japan: the villainess is actually the protagonist and has to make everyone including the heroine join her harem or she dies.
Only based villainess types imo
not really internalised mysiogny in japan and korea is insane and they are badly written too unless its villainess story which is new
I remember, when I was a kid, Final Fantasy 7 came out... and then came the fanfiction. And so much of it involved Sephiroth being redeemed with the healing power of love provided by female characters (either Aerith - the woman he MURDERS in the story - or someone's OC).
I see things haven't changed... :P
A lot of people think of romance novels too deeply, when in actuality most of them are supposed to be exactly like power fantasy isekai stories are for men; super digestable junk-food types of stories. They are meant to be super unrealistic and provide a type of escapism you don't find in more grounded pieces. The villain needs reasons to become a love intrest, while the villainess takes the forefront as the main villain of the story. That's why there's such a difference in the treatment of these two charaxter archetypes, in this specific genre.
Sure, but it should still be pointed out that junk food is unhealthy; and that this writing trope is bad.
In fact, removing junk food from your diet would be good for you.
@@lordpisces5019why would the people writing it be bad? They can write whatever they want
@@SidPil The people writing it? I didn't actually mention them so I am not sure why you brought it up.
The only thing such writers are certainly guilty of is bad writing.
You're great!❤
Thank you so much! ❤
his first and greatest mistake was being named lucifer
So I'm currently torn between giving my next villain, a woman, her tragic backstory, or not, because
1) her backstory is basically her being abused for the very fact that she was female, but that would mean I'd have to include gender debates in the story that already has a sufficient amount of themes
2) her past isn't actually necessary to her overall development since her personality has always been the same and even is after a mutation she went through
3) However, with the subject of old things persisting over a way too long time until they corrupt, gender debates might make for a subject as well
4) We have too many morally grey villains, some people just suck and crave chaos for no reason
5) However, as some commenters pointed out, female villains tend to be written rather blandly or have their villainy directly correlated to the fact that they're female
6) which however would also be the case for tjis specific villainess
Sorry for the unsolicited ideas, feel free to ignore them. You do have an interesting set of constraints on the character, which definitely makes for nuance being a requirement.
You might try to have it show in how she's evil, maybe lawful evil.
Maybe throw in a patron being who was also supposed simply for being female, but who only gives her power for just causes.
Like, the being looks the other way when the villain takes a life, but they've both justified it for the good it will cause.
Over time, like in death note, she loses her sense of what constitutes a just death sentence, and one day overplays her hand.
From there, she could become the power, and either be a public face that is feared but respected, or be the real power but stays hidden, using her new resources to further her plans.
The nice thing about how the person who made this video presented it, is that the villainess could be portrayed as becoming evil, instead of innately evil, though how you decide to make it happen will be up to you, of course
@@luisostasuc8135 no i absolutely put this comment out for ideas, so thank you, actually.
So what you mean is a woman who supports her doing bad for good, basically, justifying the deed with the cause or goal?
And that the villain could have an ongoing journey to becoming more evil as the story progresses?
Idk, i get the feeling you're writing a different story in the comments or maybe i just don't get it but i also think it requires more knowledge about the story for anyone to really be able to give advice, which i also didn't provide
The villain isn't lawful evil, she's completely chaotic because she sees herself confronted with knowing literally everything. She's basically throwing a party at the end of the world, but everyone suffers except for her (though she probably wouldn't like anything happening to her childhood friend). She's also playing a messiah of sorts, though self-proclaimed, and has quite a few followers, so she's very much public already.
I was just about to write a very long comment explaining the role of her in the story, but i think it could be possible for me to present her as someone who could have not been evil without taking away from her just being a villain because. Had her parents not neglected her for being born female, she could have used her character for good and wouldn't have ran away and become what she is today.
I also just noticed that technically she stands for everything a female villain could be in a medium - could be considered oversexualized (which is because she doesn't wear clothes, but she's also mutated and has four arms and six wings, insect legs, fur around neck and hips and a tail so...) and her motives are basically just because, but in a good way because at the same time she's none of this. She doesn't act sexual in any way and even though she behaves childish quite often, she literally knows everything and has manipulated entire kingdoms to fall. Also i think the main character, who is also a woman, might be a good contrast to her anyways.
Idk. I think I'll just let the past stay inside the story.
ive read so many villainess as a mc turning good or having the time of their lives in manwha/manga lol
"but then, the spirit of vengeance devoured him..." - me telling my friends the neighbourhood gossip
I translate old, public domain stories from English to my language, and I gotta tell you, the second type of character here is everywhere.
*Korean and Japanese Authors of Villainess Romance entered the chat*
Man, the male story gave me chills
Suprised the villaness isnt a mommy dommy type
"His mother left him before he was even born" damn prepartum abandonment is sad
I'm the narrator for a story driven tabletop game me and my friends play. Made a lot of villains. Some tragic, some misguided, but there's one villain (or villainess more like) who stands out as the player's favorite. A crazy necromancer lady who makes snarky, flirtatious remarks while the players fought her.
I described her sociopathic behavior. How she enjoys to see life fade from the eyes of a man she stabbed with a dagger made from dark steel, while the man's family is forced to watch, as he now becomes a mindless zombie to serve in her little army of undead. How she haunts someone with nightmares for fun. And the players reaction? „I'mma hit that“
I'm a guy by the way, making this even weirder.
That backstory almost unalived me.
Me watching the red bar getting closer and closer to the end of the video while still talking about the guy:
This reminds me of something a little tangential. I read a lot of science fiction, and have recently started reading romances. I've found that the solutions in romance books are often a lot less ... kinetic, than those in other books I read. Sometimes the climactic scene is the heroine giving the antagonist (or the hero, ha) an epic telling-off. Not a bad thing, but *definitely* a change of pace!
"His mother left him before he was born."
Villain is straight-up Doofenshmirtz. 💀
Sadly this is true for MOST shows. Glad there are still shows that dont do this
It's either this or she was heart broken by fake love or got taken advantage of by a man or the very infamous can't have children
Like why can't she be evil for reasons other than romantic love or family making like make her avenge her parent or sibling or whatever
My mother also left me before I was born.
it happens
Wait....Are you telling me romance novels are actually like this??? No good writing, self inserts, "tall dark and handsome", other male leads are fill in characters, the villainess has no redemption despite being the most human out of the whole cast??
i like villainess x heroine and i am not thriving 🧍♀️🧍♀️
blitzo and stella from hb be like
Why the heck does the villain sound like he has an Oedipus Complex?😂
Perfect summary for 99 percent of literature 😅
Dio Brando vs Webtoons Love Interest Rivals.
That's literally Gabriel Asgreste vs Chloé 😂
I misinterpreted the video title and thought you were going to talk about some sort of book where there is a villain and a villainess that interact with each other… Evil power couple…
Now I want to read something like that!
@@mysteller But you know what I would appreciate more? If just like pure evil male villains, there were more pure evil villainesses but with actual character, genuine motivations, philosophy and a grand ultimate goal- despite being irredeemably evil, or even without any tragic backstory.
Instead we have a toxic teenage bitch (whether the villainess or OG! FL) that isn't even purely evil, but has no depth or nuance outside of being a romantic hate sink- and you just want her to suffer so badly, without being invested in the character at all!
Disney movies had FAR better PE villains and villainesses back in their golden days 😂
I don't know why, but i think it comes to many writers being women and fantasize themself being the only one to tame such generic hot villain, since is their world i don't have any objections to them fantasizing themself or self insert to their own stories
Sometimes, it's the female villain who is written in shades of grey, and sometimes she even switches sides. But is it mostly because she is a complex, multilayered character with actual reasons for her shift? Oh, you naive fools! Of course not! She is a *gullable woman* who doesn't know what she actually wants. When she was influenced by the male villain, she was evil. Then she fell in love with the main hero, betrayed her principles and became good. Basically every female Bond villainess. 😅
Cope
"His mother left him before he was born." Is he Dr Doofenschmirtz?
And despite that the villainess usually still manages to be the more interesting character!
I'm actually reading one book series, where (on 19th tome lol) was revealed truth, where main character(literally god of death and afterlife) and his "main" foe(goddess-protector of humanity lmao) was allies, who lost half of his and quarter of her souls, and while mc was recovering, she went insane and fell to a demon's trap and literally slaughtered every god of their world and even tried to kill main character, but he somehow managed to survive... And pretty much every other readers of this story think, that he will include her into his goddamn harem... Like bruh...
Lore accurate
Ok, but why is the villainess more real?
Ah yes, the exact origin of Jack the Ripper described in the Record of Ragnarok
Maybe this is because I read a lot of GL but usually it’s the opposite when the author is attracted to women
Interesting, it's often the reverse in romance/harems where the mc is male.
I came across this video randomly and I’m glad I did even tho I haven’t read any romance books to get the joke at first, but I found this video hilarious anyways😂. You have a really nice voice as well👍
Thank you so much!
@@mysteller your welcome
Trick:write a male Villain's backstory and then just gender-swap him.😜
Ah yes the Azula archetype.