I once built something that did effectively this for 8 "shades" of 32 "colors", 256 colors total. I thought then that nope, here's where I hit the limit and just use a texture sample instead, as it was some 800 instructions for the whole thing. I am very excited to rebuild that with a few of these bad boys and see what the cost diff is. Thanks for the video!
Just adding to what you said. Static switch parameter can actually be used dynamically in UE5. There is an option on the node that is called dynamic branching that allows it to be branched in realtime. I'm using it to change from different material outlines on the character (When they are friendly, aggressive, neutral etc.). Don't know that much about performance information since I didn't see anyone talking about this (not even in the documentation, tbh).
One would assume its like branches in Unity Shader Graph, it will compute both sides of the branch/static switch and then read the boolean value and apply the true or false branch.
@@Chris-jo1zrNo, I think this is a real [branch] if. There have been conversations about this since at least 2015, and it appeared in 5.2. I haven't tested performance yet. So I can't say for sure. For [flatten] if, we already have the If node
Sounds really intriguing! I’ll have to have a doodle with it in my next session. I’d assume that it compiles both versions of the shader and switches between them, or it’s computing both sides and showing the selected one. I’ll do a few tests and report back with my findings!
One of the limitations I found with the Switch Node is you can't use it with something really advanced like a Make Material Node to use with Material Attributes unfortunately. That's something I would really like to create some really advanced setups. And maybe Unreal will one day get an enum parameter in the material section.
To be honest in the beggining I just had no clue how to follow your tutorials.. but now I no my way around Unreal your videos are great... Its strange using Unreal is like learning to read..
Is there a way to build a material in which you can switch texture sets in the parameters?) But for one switch to replace the entire set of textures, for example from 1k to 4k textures.
Textures with different resolutions don't need to be resized in materials - the UVs just go from 0-1 based on the texture. For an entire set of textures in one container, you could look in to Material Arrays
I wonder how conceivable it is to make a tool with the Geometry Scripting, etc in Unreal, that will take a selected mesh or some list of meshes, and create a second UVmap and place the UVs of the mesh into it. Since a lot of projects deal with many meshes coming in from the marketplace, this sort of tool could come in real handy. Maybe I'll look into it. I never quite understood how the second UVs relate to the first UVs (I don't mean lightmap). EDIT: I guess the tricky part is the selection of an element by material ID, and then assigning that to a particular square, none overlapping.
There are definitely tools in the engine that can remap UVs and stuff, and you could use the Material Slot (if using multiple mat slots) for the index etc
For some reason your hair plus slightly longer beard makes me think "viking vampire..." Great video, I've accidently grabbed this node a few times when trying to get the static switch, never bothered to find out what it does.
@@PrismaticaDev i mean.. i ahve some an rvt ground... and i have puddles that sample that rvt a 2nd time for distortion... and then lots of math for rain drops .. it gets kinda expensive... Could be nice to only do that stuff where i see puddles... Would remove math and texture samples.
How many texture samples I can use in switch node ? Cuz I think its limited to 5 texture samples. When I go above that number the engine shows me an err message.. something like sm5 c:\engine\private...
If you're using lots of textures in 1 material, you'll need to set the Sampler type to "Shared: Wrap". It's best to use this setting anyway, as there is no downside. I think it's not the default purely for older rendering tech backwards compatibility
I can’t figure out if it’s possible to recreate the master material using switch nodes. I don't understand how I can add a normal map to a color. It turns out that the node switch merges the “channels” of colors together and there is no way to add normal maps for each color. or am I missing something?
@@PrismaticaDev Thanks!! it looks like it worked, however I don't understand. Using texture coordinates 1 for normal maps, it should use small (changed) UV maps, but it looks as if it is using full scan for normals. I'm confused, but it seems to work
What if we connected multiple textures to the switch then used a scalar and custom primitive data the set the value so it changes dynamically? Or used custom data values as an input for the number ?
If you talking about cartoon texture faces like Megamand Legends, they have all facial expression textures combined in one image. Less texture samples for materials, less heavy shader. Unless I was confused on your explanation. Also thankyou for another video! The material world of unreal gets demystified when you talk abotu it!
Yeah some projects use texture atlases/flip books, but it means your overall texture size can get really big (8k+) depending on the resolution of the faces. It was a bit of a bad example but I think it explains the function well enough haha
Thank you for this video. Can you please do a tutorial on optimizing materials eg draw calls and instructions and how best to optimize materials in situations we run into day to day. I really appreciate any help you can provide.
Oh, this shaders' complexity debugging looks like great topic for a video. At least, I definitely find it useful, if I'll need to check what logic in my materials performs better
Haha I don't like to rely on Instruction count alone (which is what the Shader Complexity viewmode uses) so I decided to do some brute-force testing instead!
Thanks for the tip, really useful, as usual! I'm a bit sad that if we put a value like 1.5, it doesn't lerp the value of 1 and 2 to create an interpolated result. But hey, it's better than nothing
If you're ok with using 2 switches, you could do: - make a "A" switch, say with your options 1 to 10, with a default for looping over ("0" or "11" value) - copy it as the "B" switch - make a scalar to go 1 through 10 - take Frac out of it, use as the Lerp node alpha - connect the switches to Lerp - from your scalar, make it +1 and attach to the "B" switch input I haven't tested, maybe it works?
Finally, materials in UE5 have something like enumerators. Can't wait for them to add enheretance, incapsulation and polymorphism and cycles and variables to make this finally usable.
We already have inheritance, sort of. You can make children of material instances which inherit the default params from the parent instance. You can use material functions for greater modularity as well
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A beard has appeared on your face as a physical manifestation of your game dev wisdom.
Fantastic overview of the switch node!! Thanks for the detailed showcase on using it.
8:03 This is the classic lol, it happens every time, great video definitely stealing a couple things from this
I once built something that did effectively this for 8 "shades" of 32 "colors", 256 colors total. I thought then that nope, here's where I hit the limit and just use a texture sample instead, as it was some 800 instructions for the whole thing. I am very excited to rebuild that with a few of these bad boys and see what the cost diff is. Thanks for the video!
Just adding to what you said. Static switch parameter can actually be used dynamically in UE5. There is an option on the node that is called dynamic branching that allows it to be branched in realtime. I'm using it to change from different material outlines on the character (When they are friendly, aggressive, neutral etc.). Don't know that much about performance information since I didn't see anyone talking about this (not even in the documentation, tbh).
One would assume its like branches in Unity Shader Graph, it will compute both sides of the branch/static switch and then read the boolean value and apply the true or false branch.
@@Chris-jo1zrNo, I think this is a real [branch] if. There have been conversations about this since at least 2015, and it appeared in 5.2. I haven't tested performance yet. So I can't say for sure. For [flatten] if, we already have the If node
Sounds really intriguing! I’ll have to have a doodle with it in my next session. I’d assume that it compiles both versions of the shader and switches between them, or it’s computing both sides and showing the selected one. I’ll do a few tests and report back with my findings!
One of the limitations I found with the Switch Node is you can't use it with something really advanced like a Make Material Node to use with Material Attributes unfortunately. That's something I would really like to create some really advanced setups. And maybe Unreal will one day get an enum parameter in the material section.
Or just let us do some degree of HLSL coding which is not the "custom" node.
That would be quite handy indeed
To be honest in the beggining I just had no clue how to follow your tutorials.. but now I no my way around Unreal your videos are great... Its strange using Unreal is like learning to read..
Sometimes you just gotta kick back a little and make yourself some aranchini to properly metabolize the Unreal knowledge.
Oh my science. This has so many possibilities! And opens a lot of creative opportunities.
This is going to make VFX so much easier to do.
wait, your right!
different textures and stuff in 1 material instead of many
daaaamn...
Is there a way to build a material in which you can switch texture sets in the parameters?)
But for one switch to replace the entire set of textures, for example from 1k to 4k textures.
Textures with different resolutions don't need to be resized in materials - the UVs just go from 0-1 based on the texture. For an entire set of textures in one container, you could look in to Material Arrays
I wonder how conceivable it is to make a tool with the Geometry Scripting, etc in Unreal, that will take a selected mesh or some list of meshes, and create a second UVmap and place the UVs of the mesh into it. Since a lot of projects deal with many meshes coming in from the marketplace, this sort of tool could come in real handy. Maybe I'll look into it.
I never quite understood how the second UVs relate to the first UVs (I don't mean lightmap).
EDIT: I guess the tricky part is the selection of an element by material ID, and then assigning that to a particular square, none overlapping.
There are definitely tools in the engine that can remap UVs and stuff, and you could use the Material Slot (if using multiple mat slots) for the index etc
Thanks mate!
For some reason your hair plus slightly longer beard makes me think "viking vampire..."
Great video, I've accidently grabbed this node a few times when trying to get the static switch, never bothered to find out what it does.
Will we get another devlog of the game soon? Loved those videos so much
SoonTM
I used something like this for team colors on uniforms.
Well well look who it is…thanks!
Can you make a video about how to get true dynamic branching working?
I could - however it's usually more expensive on the GPU than just running a bunch of stuff (like the switch node)
@@PrismaticaDev i mean.. i ahve some an rvt ground... and i have puddles that sample that rvt a 2nd time for distortion... and then lots of math for rain drops .. it gets kinda expensive... Could be nice to only do that stuff where i see puddles... Would remove math and texture samples.
No honey stop, you don’t need to go stay at your sisters for a while, Prismatica dropped another video
Are you going to make any videos on the new Substrate material features with UE5? :)
How many texture samples I can use in switch node ? Cuz I think its limited to 5 texture samples.
When I go above that number the engine shows me an err message.. something like sm5 c:\engine\private...
If you're using lots of textures in 1 material, you'll need to set the Sampler type to "Shared: Wrap". It's best to use this setting anyway, as there is no downside. I think it's not the default purely for older rendering tech backwards compatibility
@@PrismaticaDev
But how to do that, I looked up for some tutorials bout "Shared: Wrap" but I didn't find any!.
@@alhusseinali if you click on the texture sample node, it will be in the Details panel (usually bottom left of the screen)
Thanks brother, it worked... u r the best 👌.
@@alhusseinali Beauty!
I can’t figure out if it’s possible to recreate the master material using switch nodes. I don't understand how I can add a normal map to a color.
It turns out that the node switch merges the “channels” of colors together and there is no way to add normal maps for each color. or am I missing something?
You just need to have 2 separate switch nodes - one for the colour, one for the normal maps
@@PrismaticaDev Thanks!! it looks like it worked, however I don't understand. Using texture coordinates 1 for normal maps, it should use small (changed) UV maps, but it looks as if it is using full scan for normals. I'm confused, but it seems to work
What if we connected multiple textures to the switch then used a scalar and custom primitive data the set the value so it changes dynamically? Or used custom data values as an input for the number ?
If you talking about cartoon texture faces like Megamand Legends, they have all facial expression textures combined in one image. Less texture samples for materials, less heavy shader. Unless I was confused on your explanation.
Also thankyou for another video! The material world of unreal gets demystified when you talk abotu it!
Yeah some projects use texture atlases/flip books, but it means your overall texture size can get really big (8k+) depending on the resolution of the faces. It was a bit of a bad example but I think it explains the function well enough haha
Thank you for this video. Can you please do a tutorial on optimizing materials eg draw calls and instructions and how best to optimize materials in situations we run into day to day. I really appreciate any help you can provide.
Oh, this shaders' complexity debugging looks like great topic for a video. At least, I definitely find it useful, if I'll need to check what logic in my materials performs better
Haha I don't like to rely on Instruction count alone (which is what the Shader Complexity viewmode uses) so I decided to do some brute-force testing instead!
@@PrismaticaDev i mean, yeah. So would be cool to see is one video how you testing your performance, if you have some other tips)
Thanks for the tip, really useful, as usual!
I'm a bit sad that if we put a value like 1.5, it doesn't lerp the value of 1 and 2 to create an interpolated result.
But hey, it's better than nothing
Yeah, an X Lerp would be amazing. It’s pretty easy to set up a material function that does it but having variable inputs would make it so much cleaner
If you're ok with using 2 switches, you could do:
- make a "A" switch, say with your options 1 to 10, with a default for looping over ("0" or "11" value)
- copy it as the "B" switch
- make a scalar to go 1 through 10
- take Frac out of it, use as the Lerp node alpha
- connect the switches to Lerp
- from your scalar, make it +1 and attach to the "B" switch input
I haven't tested, maybe it works?
@@estellairon9448 that would work for sure!
Science adjacent
Finally, materials in UE5 have something like enumerators. Can't wait for them to add enheretance, incapsulation and polymorphism and cycles and variables to make this finally usable.
We already have inheritance, sort of. You can make children of material instances which inherit the default params from the parent instance. You can use material functions for greater modularity as well
no way I caught this video 0 seconds after it was uploaded lmao
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im suprised switch went under your radar when its a beginner function.
It was only added in one of the latest versions, hence why I'd made my own version previously haha
@@PrismaticaDev I see. How strange! How were people doing state machines with the absence of switch?
@@nawhz6292 this is in the shader graph, where we don’t use states (shaders are stateless and read-only usually)
@@PrismaticaDev so much to learn with this program
Thank you bro.