MountainSmith Needs to Redesign This Tent - MountainsSmith Lichen Peak 1 Review
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2024
- For over half a year I have been testing out the MountainSmith Lichen Peak 1 which is a bivy style tent.
My verdict....this tent is bizarre!
Watch now for my Agenda Free Review.
Links :
- MountainSmit Lichen Peak 1 Tent : amzn.to/3Zwdffp
- Winterial Bivy Tent Link : amzn.to/3EoAGxl
- Snugpak Ionosphere Tent Link : amzn.to/3R8NzDc
...
Merch Store :
Want to support TOGR, buy a shirt, hoodie, hat, etc.
Merch Store : the-outdoor-gear-review.myspr...
...
Additional Links :
: Camera Gear :
- Canon R5 : amzn.to/2Vy42GO
- R5 Batteries : amzn.to/3ttqr4s
- Canon RF 24-70 2.8 Lens : amzn.to/2Vy49Ce
- Canon R5 Memory Card : amzn.to/2VsOsvV
- SIRUI Carbon Fiber Travel 5C Tripod : amzn.to/3BEahZX
- Rode VideoMic Pro Plus Mic : amzn.to/3tj6Ubf
: Clothing :
- Fjällräven Vidda Pro Ventilated Pants : amzn.to/3uKYRVq
- Darn Tough Socks : amzn.to/3mx20A5
- Kenetrek Kiking Boots : amzn.to/47ft7VG
- Arcteryx Conveyor Belt : amzn.to/3QSnzsi
- PF. Knife : amzn.to/3NPfRjB
- Garmin EPIX 2 Watch : amzn.to/3Rfqduf
- Oakley Men's Gradient Flak Jacket 03-881 Black Wrap Sunglasses : amzn.to/3BmWcBI
- Patagonia Sweater : www.patagonia.com/product/men...
- Smartwool Beanie : amzn.to/45sgyWZ
- Face Mask : amzn.to/45ZRCpP
- Knit Gloves : amzn.to/47Xeqbn
- Permethrin for Clothing & Gear : amzn.to/37V3FvQ
- Bug Repellent Smoke Coils : amzn.to/48cGlnX
If you purchase anything from the links above, you will be supporting the channel through a small commission on Amazon. Thank you for the support and remember, TOGR is 100% Agenda Free.
...
tyle : nonfreestanding - bivy style tent
Materials :
7075 Aluminum V-Stakes
Fly: 185t Poly PU2000MM F/R
Tent: 185t Breathable Poly F/R
Floor: 68d x 190t Poly PU5000mm F/R
Poles: 7000 Series Aluminum Alloy Poles
Footprint: 68d x 190t Poly PU5000mm F/R
Dimensions Stored : Measure
Dimensions Set-up : Measure
Weight : 4lbs 6.2oz
Price : At the time of filming, it is $99 on Amazon, on sale for $90 on the Mountainsmith web site and retails for $180.
Features :
- Large angled door entry
- Cap style fly for reduced weight
- 1 person / 3 season tent
- No-See-Um Mesh wall panels
- Bathtub floor construction
- Taped floor seams
- Interior mesh storage pockets
- Clip-pole attachment for lighter weight and better breathability
- Internal gear storage up near shoulder area
- Footprint included
- Lifetime warranty against manufacturer's defects
....
100% Agenda Free :
This channel is Agenda Free and is fully supported by the viewers.
Support TOGR through Patreon : / togr
or
Support TOGR through RUclips : / @theoutdoorgearreview
...
Web Site : www.theoutdoorgearreview.com
Come Join Us on Facebook, Twitter Instagram :
Facebook : / 281509538652229
Twitter : / outdoorgearrev
Instagram : / theoutdoorgearreview
Vero : vero.co/theoutdoorgearreview 
Наука
I bought a bivvy style tent years ago. A Eureka wedge shaped one that is almost exactly the same. Except, the inner has lots of mesh, the fly has a prop open vent, tiny shoe vestibule, pack size a little smaller, 3-1/4 pounds. Similarly, looks well constructed. I have never used it. It seemed like a good idea because I wanted to hike. Life intervened. Worthless with a family. A while ago I panicked in an MRI tube and had to be pulled out stat. Claustrophobia has gotten worse as I've aged. I will gladly camp in the old 3 person dome and a 6 person Coleman. Could easily cowboy under a tarp. I may have to try it in the forest back yard.
Same here my friend. Recently over last 9 years I've developed same thing, panicking in small spaces, tents, MRI machines. Strange for sure since I was never like this before..
I have the exact same tent that was made by Sierra Designs about 20 years ago only mine weighs only 3.5 pounds (w/o ground sheet). It worked well in heavy winds. Before single-walled tents started showing up, this was a very popular model for long-distance hiking.
I have an old Sierra Designs tent called the Clip Flashlight that looks something like the tent Luke is testing but I only used it a couple times 25 years ago. It was OK but I went to lighter options. It is out in my garage lost in the void.
It's shaped like it is to give the user the storage space of a vestibule without the moisture issues. Everything else you're complaining about, the shape included, is because it's not what you wish it was. It's a tent designed for harsh, cold weather, hence the choice of materials, high HH rating, numerous stake points and heavy buckles and straps, and if you'd approach it for what it is instead of what you wish it was you'd have a lot fewer problems with it.
On the subject of "inexpensive polyester", polyester is the superior *affordable* choice for a tent like this. It's heavy, but it has all around better wet weather performance than nylon. There are better alternatives like DCF, Ultra and lightweight/high thread count polyester, but then the price will increase substantially. If there was anything I would improve about this tent it'd be to add some stake points in the middle of the fly to pull it out a little and tighten it up, but this is easily done by the user with tarp clips and whatever cord they have lying around. The clips I use are pretty aggressive, though, and not good for the fly in the long run. I solved this with a couple scraps of Tyvek wrapped around the fly and they've been holding for years.
Actually, the irregular shape presents unusual geometry to the eye, and hence, breaks up the pattern of it. This perhaps would aid it in stealth camping - though I doubt that was the functionality behind the design. More likely, the design is to allow for hiker and gear without a vestibule, and this configuration made the most sense from a construction/materials/manufacturing perspective. Great review, as always Luke.
I think it allows for the larger door.
This is essentially, a slightly tweaked Sierra Designs Clip Flashlite. Which I think was released in the early 2000’s? It was really the first “ultralight” tent which is amazing that compared today (and by your comment) isn’t very light anymore.
Bro lv owned the same design tent for 15yrs. It's the Tiger Paws by Pro Action. Another company have the same design called Svalbard 1. Being able to sit up was a game changer for me. My tent has been in every season condition & succeeded my tent doesn't get condensation reason the big vents. In cold heavy winter conditions l use an additional tarp which works. In hot summers l use only the inner with a flying tarp. Tiger Paws is a more a diamond coffin shape. A very underrated tent l will not part with as they are not made anymore. Mine after all it's been through is still in great condition it's been my go-to tent for 15yrs multiple times every year. 👍🇬🇧
I hope you test out some of snowpeak's tents. I am eyeing on the Land Nest M or their amenity dome. Would like to see what you think about them and see how they would perfom on your rain tests
love your videos, I just started watching about a month ago; you are so honest and I am so glad you are not doing anything but you want to do! Thanks for the adventures
🙂
Thanks Luke for the information on this tent. Looking for a starter for my 13 year old grandson. Tom and Mason we watch your videos and are new to camping and hiking... Thanks again my friend.
Excellent review Luke. Thanks
I feel that in Australia, in the general regions, that the inner would be fine but the outer definitely needs heaps more ventilation!
Great review, Luke. Hope the company pays attention and redesigns it.
If the ventilation issues were sorted. Along with using more appropriate materials. Probably make it so it packs away to a more practical shape. Then it would be a practical hybrid tent/bivi
Good design
Good company
Add tarp clips at the bottom to pull out the bottom rim to get air circulation
Simple fix
I am not even a tent camper and i see the usefulness of the tent shape. I am surprised you didnt even try to guess. It is basically an indoor vestibule tent. Lots of mesh to keep bugs out and allow cool air in. I am only 1/4 into video so far. The back is flat so mattress can be there. While front is triangular to place your belonging inside tent away from bugs and reptiles. Unlike fly where your belongings are outside. I cant rewind video while trying to type. But i thing the offset of center pole is so you dont hit your head when sitting up. In conclusion i think it is an intuitive design. The mesh may make it cold but i sleep hot. I have never slept in weather or tent too cold for me. Lastly, is there a fly. I am afraid of rain.
Great review!😊
Decades ago, Sierra Designs made a number of similar tents with varying names. They had very similar pole setups but differing door/fly configurations. I have one called the 'Clip Flashlight' that is eerily similar to this one. Mine is not a full coverage fly, has more mesh, and does have a minimal vestibule. Mine is notably lighter than this one. I have been satisfied with mine if not overjoyed. I have met and known the founder of Mountainsmith and he is a very experienced backcountry operator. I know he sold the company at some point or another and suspect that he had little if anything to do with this tent. IMO, current 'Mountainsmith' items are not close to what they once were.
I love my Terra Nova Photon1 Tent bivy. I hiked the whole AT with it and had minimum issues. Super small footprint so finding a spot was fast and easy.
I own the 2 person version and the vestibule area is symmetrically designed and is also relatively the same weight. I agree with the mesh and panels they should've done away with all the fabric. Condensation in the 2 person isnt as bad either because the large vestiluble area carries all of the condensation to the ground and away from the tent inner
Also I bought the 2 person tent on rei for like 85 bucks so it was even cheaper than the 1 person version
I'm thinking about and mpps sleep system use of course and a tarp.
Hi Luke! Seems like to me, that making the thing with all the weird angles would make the tent harder to produce, rather than using matching angles on everything. Seems that they could have saved enough on easier production to add more mesh and make this a better product. They could also ditch the straps for some cording that would do the same thing and be a lot lighter.
looks like some kind of Star trek spaceship
A Work Bee!
I own this exact tent. I wanted the biggest one person tent I could afford and I landed on this one. I know it’s not perfect but I got it on sale for $74 and have felt like I really got my money’s worth.
I think the odd angle is to get the door larger. Very similar to the ALPS Mystique 1.5 or 2P, however the ALPS version has more mesh, and a vented rain fly w/vestibule.
The tent is designed specifically for cold, wet conditions and high winds. The odd angle is to move the vestibule storage space inside the tent where your gear will stay dry in a wind driven downpour or snow storm. It's a good tent for what it's designed for, which is the complete opposite of what Luke wants it to be. For most people, though, or at least most of the time, the cooler and better ventilated Mystique will definitely be a better choice.
Less than 2kg doesn't strike me as overly heavy for a tent in this price class. Sure, you have a bunch of ultra light tents, but those tend to cost a lot more in comparison. Especially as this one seems a bit spacious for one person. But maybe I'm just a bit out of the loops. I like to bring my 1.5 person tent so I'm kinda used to carry ~2kg for a tent.
I believe the shape of the tent allows you to enter the tent without standing straight on your bed.
Great vid, like always. Thanks, Luke!
A bivvy-style tent with this weight? Really? IMO, the only reason to use this kind of tent is weight and the (packed) dimensions and this one would never find its way in my rucksack ^^
Kelty made tents of that style back in the 1990s and early 2000s. I owned a couple of them. Great for backpacking, but a bit cramped.
I bought the 2 person model and love it little heavy but very well made tentso I am good with it and I got it brand new for $85.00 with 20% off at Rei and $7.50 in points can' beat this deal great tent for the money
Please make 3ful gear Shell 2 tent review!
Looks a lot like my sierra designs clip flashlight from 20-odd years ago, minus the funky angles. Seemed like a fine design for a solo backpacking tent. Maybe mountainsmith was trying to take that concept and offer a larger, almost-side-entry type door. Dunno
Can’t remember a video where you stealth camp. Do you stealth camp but not video it?
Hello . Could you please review the coleman bedrock 2 tent?
Where can i get poles for this. Im trying to replace the poles on a eureka spitfire 1 and theses look close. Really just need the longer one
Same overall shape of the Eureka Solitaire. Though the Solitaire had more mesh, but condensation was a problem in the shoulder seasons. Biggest difference in the design is the offset on the Lichen. Same other problems. Too heavy, almost too bulky.
Maybe the angles help with the aerodynamic in a windy situation
looks like a nordisk svalbard clone with more mesh. they probably cheapened it by having mesh on the body instead of the high up reinforced vent of the svalbard. If this is so, it's a storm/cold season tent.
thanks luke for the great vids ! said its not a winter tent, why is that ? Also in my point of view the odd shape makes the door wider. be wellz streanght and honor 👍🙏
Hey buddy have u ever done a Review on the Kammok Sunda 2.0? if not can u do it? im really interested if u could do a review of it since its just an awsome tent!
I can tell you right off the idea behind the shape is to have a bivy tent you can sit up in...most one person bivys or even bivy tents you can't sit up in. The weight is ATROCIOUS though, you could have a nice roomy tent for that weight. If you want a solid bivy, go for the MSS or the (updated) Geertop bivy...it's easy to spot, it has criss cross poles and looks a LOT like the MSS bivy.
Looks like a snowmobile 😂
I like the Geertop ultralight bivy better. It has two door, better ventilation and it’s 3.7 pounds.
Wouldnt be a bad tent for the Alberta rocky mountain hikes that i often take
Would a battery powered fan help with that? I mostly truck camp, so weight doesn't matter. I'm old...lol
Get a tent that is a little more comfortable (little more spacious) if you are going by car anyways.
Use sticks or trekking poles to go up from the guy lines b4 just planting them in the ground. Then it might make sense to you, but I doubt it.
Hello, I'm new to camping, but I have a question, the buckle straps on the fly tent that connect to ground sheet, how tight should I pull it? Is there a limit like not over tight or something?
Pull them as tight as they need to be to get any sags out, make the zippers run smooth, etc. and no tighter. Nylon tents are a bit different because nylon absorbs moisture and expands and you have to tighten them again to pull the sag out after it happens. If it stays pitched long enough to dry again, you should then loosen them a little after it does to take the stress off the stitching. You'll know when it's time to do this because the fabric will be drum tight. With nylon, particularly nylon tunnel tents, you also have to make sure your guy lines are positioned properly so that when you do retighten them you're pulling tension on the fabric itself and not just the poles. If the tension is hard to release or there's visible signs of high stress where the straps are sewn to the fabric, it's too tight. After a few uses you'll get a natural feel for this and just know when you've got it right.
Being new to camping, here's some unrelated advice: Don't store the tent in it's carry sack, but loosely in something like a mesh laundry bag, because water molecules can stay trapped in the fabric long after you think it's dry, especially with nylon, and this will destroy the waterproofing if they can't evaporate out.
This tent was better when it was a Coleman peak 1 Cobra! The mesh panels for ventilation were better positioned. Coleman now offers a larger Cobra tent (2 or 3 person versions).
Seems to me that a Canyon River Trekker 1V tent is lighter, cheaper and better ventilated, so long as one is willing to seal some seams.
Weekend great. Going good tomorrow. I live in Arkansas, in the path of the solar. eclipse
What if you use a tent fan for condensation would that work
Yes I think that would work
I concur
No. Unless the moist air can escape simply moving it around won’t help.
Another great video.
Did you ever end up doing much testing on the Catoma EBNS?
San Rafael Swell!
I have the OEX Phoxx 1 V2 and it's very similar to this one and I just paid 48 euros.
I like it🤷🏻♂️
Without the fly it looks like one of the subs from 20,000 leagues under the sea.
It's Captain Nemo's' Nautilus. 20,000 leagues under the leaves.
The design is fine to me but I would use it under a tarp without the fly so the tent does not get hot.
The shape of this tent is like a coffin 😅
Is there a reason tents seem to be more expensive on a company's site rather than Amazon? You'd think it'd be the other way around since you're buying direct. Curious on your take.
Greed
Brand sites often sell as MSRP while retailers sell at MAP. This used to be the norm because the makers make more money selling wholesale units in bulk to retailers than they do selling single units to the public. When they actually try to compete with the retailers the retailers potentially lose sales and have less incentive to buy and stock their products, but this has largely been overcome with retailer incentive programs, so now a lot of makers are also selling at MAP. They're not selling enough retail units to matter, though, because you're usually still better off buying from an outfitter.
Thanks for this review Luke. I think I still prefer my Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 2
A vent would be good.
Lol The shape looks like a snowmobile. 😂
you should get with a tent company and design some tents
Well of course it’s easy for a little person to sit up and put their jacket on , but what about a normal size human ?
A motel
I don't like this but like the fly color
Looks like you got a tent that snuck passed quality control, haha
This looks like a clone of the Nordisk Svalbard.
I'm guessing a committee was involved 😅
And they never met in person.
It would be my recommendation that YOU remember that much of your audience are from the colder regions of Europe where, even in the summer, a full mesh inner isn't warm enough. We need the fabric panels to stay warm.
Im in Arizona
He doesn't even need to look that far away as the design and materials are perfectly viable in several regions of the US. It's a climate specific tent and Luke wants it to be a lightweight, warm weather backpacking all-rounder. It's not and he completely misses the obvious, so he poopoos it. It's kind of amusing, though. He says "The shape is so weird. I don't know why they made it looks like that." and then he opens it up and says "There's soooo much space in here!", yet he doesn't make the connection. He does stuff like this often.
Im from alberta, Canada, and mostly go camping/hiking in the mountains where most of the time, it's much too cool at night to just run a full mesh inner
It looks like a cover for a snowmobile.
Wow, 4Lbs is "verry heavy"?
Dyneema and, even worse, the flood of cheap ChinaCo. tents made from nylon, has changed people's perspectives on what is heavy. I remember when 4lbs was considered light and 3lbs was voodoo magic. The ChinaCo. tents haven't done any favors for what's considered cheap anymore, either. A product from a name brand company with decent wages, high tax rates and R&D overhead is now a rip off and the company is greedy, not because those things are true, but because a Chinese clone made with generic materials and a crap warranty from a company that spends zero on research and development and whose employees live on site in shoe boxes and are fined by their employer for stepping over a yellow line costs less.
Weird shape. Weird panels. Almost like they were trying to use up scrap pieces of fabric from larger products.
when is this rocket launching :D
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY Luke and thank you for your equipment testing and please say hi to Susan your wife my friend
The weight and pack size of a one person tent, but with the limitations of a bivy. Seems like a pass to me.
yea I really don't see why you would use a bivy style tent in any condition other than extreme wind. The reason this type of tent was made was for high alpine mountaineering where the low profile helpes with weight/pack size and reduce wind forces but this tent is heavy and large. Not sure I understand what the point of it is.
It looks like a tent.
If you can find one, please review the Macpac Microloght tent.
This. Is. Similer. To. Sierra. Designs. Lite year cd. Which. Is only
3. Lbs.
It looks like a tent designed to use scraps from other tents.
Too small
I was eyeing this one, but the amount of fabric was why I didn't get it. I'm in Texas, and all that fabric would be brutal 6 months out of the year.
I'm still looking for a good bivy style tent for down here.
Not worth it. On amazon Canada it's over $300 with the delivery charge . You can get a better tent for less money.
$300 😂
Stealthy with a big yellow motif on it……😁🤣
Thought you weren't doing tents.....also maybe you should show more quality than crap.
Its a practical joke put into production . Hey , wealthy people , can entertain themselves at a whole other level , than the rest of us . Stranger things have happened . The Kaiser Darren , was put into production , just because Henry Kaiser's wife liked it .
So it's a great tent as long as you use it in conditions which don't require shelter.
Too small for the number of people they say can fit in the tent
Very weird
Hi this is Jana from orange county, i was hoping that you could test out a pop-up tent due to my p-physical limitations.
Almost 4.5 pounds for that, or any other single person tent is ridiculous.
It looks like a skidoo cover.
You keep saying, "to be honest." Does that mean there are a lot of times you aren't being honest?
It means that he wants to be kind in his review of this tent, but he's pushing himself to be more realistic.
I know it's like the saying, "I'm not gonna lie." A person says that enough in a conversation Leads to the implications that they normally do lie. When talking to other people.😂
my god thats an ugly tent, the angles at the front look so weird! but, I imagine it will be pretty good in a Scottish climate being 1/2 mesh 1/2 fabric, that sort of setup usually works pretty good here.
Way too expensive for made in China.
@@maximuskiowa7393 - It's still made by slave labor in an authoritarian Godless Chinese Communist hellhole.
Chinese manufacture does not mean it lacks quality. If it wasn’t for Chinese manufacture we couldn’t afford to buy a lot of what we use in our day to day life.
Iphones are too but people buy them
Lots of quality gear is made in china, MSR and Big Agnes to name a couple.
@@jamiejfowler - China is a Godless authoritarian nation state that subjugates it workers and exploits the environment. Goes anyone even bother to consider that anymore?
MSR Microzoid clone, but not as good
The person who design this must get drunk
why don't just use some connection point and some string?
Nope...
No sir....
I don't like it.
🤷
I don't like it ❤😊
Nope don’t like it