BAND OF BROTHERS EPISODE 7 REACTION | THE BREAKING POINT
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❤BIBLE VERSES OF THE DAY❤
PSALM 27:13-14 NIV
13I remain confident of this:
I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
14 Wait for the Lord;
be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord.
Wait until episode 9... It will REALLY humble you.
If I may say as someone who did two tours in Iraq as a Cav Scout Sniper (and whose dad was in the 101st Airborne in Vietnam), this episode is one of my favorite because I think it captures the reality of what soldiers can go through. It really captures so many threats from the sub zero weather, the enemy shelling, bad leadership and SELF HARM! THIS is the reality of war. I want you to really think about what it would be like for an entire day away from the comforts of living and put yourself in one of those foxholes freezing to the edge of hypothermia while still trying to hold onto your sanity and then be mission capable.
In addition to that I would disagree with you in that this episode is not trying to score any points by focusing on certain characters, it chose the 1st SGT as the main focus precisely because sometimes it takes just the average joe to show the concern and leadership to get men through something that put them on the edge. It was brilliant in doing that.
God Bless! Great King David Quote!
Please prepare yourself for episode 9 as I'm sure many will say in the notes.
careful what you wish for with a nixon focused episode ,,,, things might get really rough
You should also check out the series The Pacific.
You are right ma’am. God Bless you.
So glad that despite brilliant direction, script, location, action and actors you managed to find it a laughing matter - grow up !
Bill Guarniere came to speak to us at a High School assembly in the early 90's here is Philadelphia. No one had to tell us to sit at attention and listen. It was an honor to shake his hand.
I am envious, sir.
back in the 90's Bill became my drinking buddy , while i was in E/506th living history unit, during my promotion to SGT in the unit we had a ceremony in the latrine and had to get a swirly , Bill was right there to shake my hand 1st to call me SARG saying "dam . we did some messed up shit back then , but that lol"
@@2104dogface LOL Would have loved to met Bill in his younger days.
@@johnmagill7714 he out drank everyone, even when he went on set while they were filming the series . he out drank cast and crew with his buddy XXX none of them could keep up with them lol
Rip he was a damn good soldier
This is my favorite episode. Spears wasn't supposed to be where he was when Winters called for him. He just happened to be there so Winters Called him into action. He was the right man for the job. I loved that this was Lipton's episode, he grounded everyone, all the men treated him and leaned on him since Dike was such a poor leader. His leadership was in all the small things that he did for the men.
that's leadership. Too many people think being in charge and telling people what to do is leadership.
I disagree with your analysis, Lt Speirs always interjected himself into any place he could. Go back to episode 2, Speirs was on the periphery when Winters was outlining the mission. Lt Speirs made it a point to learn the names of the men that he spoke to, definitely the mark of a leader. So, I say he was aware of Lt. Dike's deficiencies and made himself prominently available during the assault.
@@rogergriffith3924 Great googa mooga! I watched this series when it came out and this is my favorite episode that I've seen 137,000 times... and I don't think I ever noticed that about Spiers. But it totally fits. Him sensing that Dike was going to implode and putting himself in position to be available to take charge is exactly what he'd do.
Quality comment... thanks!
@@rogergriffith3924 I was going off of what Winters said in interviews about Speirs just happening to be there. If he knew he'd be called on and put himself in the position I can't speak too.
This role and his character in dreamcatcher made me a fan of Donnie
"Speirs, get yourself over here."
Favorite moment in the show.
I've watched many reactors to this series and when they get to this part all them are like: "Aw hell no! Germans you dun fuked up now! Its on like Donkey Kong!"
A brief moment but it was a moment where Speirs was the coolest man in the world.
I enjoyed how Lipton was portrayed in this episode. I found it a good example that heroism also comes in the form of quietly stepping into leadership, not just conspicuous valor in combat. It showed many of the characteristics warranting an enlisted leader earning a battlefield commission to serve as an officer. A great man.
To be fair to the real Norman Dike, the reason he froze up and panicked during the attack on Foy was he was shot twice in the chest, and was going into shock due to blood loss. He was wearing so much winter clothing that the guys from Easy company didn't notice he was bleeding (Kinda like with Hoobler), and Speirs officially took over when he was sent to a hospital in the rear. Easy company didn't know that, and frankly, didn't care enough to ask where he went. He actually earned medals for valor in combat. His family was... displeased with his portrayal in the show, to say the least. His major problem was a difference in leadership. Easy was used to Winters' very hands on leadership, and Dike had a very hands off approach.
A few fun things about Speirs that didn't make it into the show. First off, his real life nickname is never mentioned for some reason. Lew Nixon nicknamed him "Sparky" and it stuck, due to his temper going off so easily. Harry Walsh would dick with him to get him going off largely because he could (And Walsh was drunk. Seriously, the show missed an chance to show off his drunken exploits, Bill Guarniere and a few others who wrote books about the war go into detail, it's awesome stuff you should absolutely read their books) The show tried to make him more creepy then in real life, where he was more angry. Though, he DID mess with his men whenever he could. He thought it was funny (which it was)
Second, that thing about shooting his own sergeant was actually self defense. The guy was pointing his rifle at him, and basically no one cared when Speirs shot him.
As for the prisoners he supposedly shot, the soldiers were under combat conditions, and were specifically order to NOT take prisoners, with orders to shoot them all. Speirs never said if he actually shot those ones Malarky saw or not, but if he did, he was under orders to do so.
And finally, yes, he really did do that run. In his own words "It was the fastest way" He also earned a SHITTON of medals, because he was kinda insane.
One last thing about Lt. Peacock. The men really did like him, he was by all accounts a fantastic guy, but yeah, kinda sucked in the field. Unlike Dike, Easy liked him because he really did care about he guys he was in charge of.
There is a video where Winters said he had a letter from Speirs who confirmed the shooting of the prisoners. Ambrose who wrote the book was worried about fact checking so Winters wrote to Speirs for confirmation. But yes, no prisoners were the orders given to troops on D-Day.
As for the Sargent he shot. There are a couple versions being told. In a letter written by Winters, the Sargent would not listen twice to orders from Speirs about pushing into a town that was being shelled. After trying again to push in, Speirs shot the Sargent and saved those soldiers lives.
It’s funny that years later there is uncertainty still😂
Orders to shoot prisoners were still illegal even then but hey they won so....
Just goes to show that every villain is the hero of their own story.
@@WalkerOne You'd love Youjo Senki or in the west The Saga of Tanya the Evil, which is a shitty translation as Youjo Senki actually means "Military Chronicles of a Little Girl." Put it this way the series does a great job portraying a "Hero" who is also a "Villain" counting who the show is presenting at that time, and what side they're on, or their own moral compass. The fact that during the series "Warsaw Uprising" parody episode she literally quoted Heinrich Himmler when she rationalized the killing of civilians. Just how often it gives you shivers down your spine loving a character whom you know does horrible things. BTW it's Science Fiction, with a similar mix of fantasy/scifi you might see in something like the Mutant Chronicles if you've seen that film staring Ron Perlman, which also had a WWI/WWII visual ecstatic but was totally science fiction.
I really love the Youjo Senki film where the main antagonist was literally a Mary Sue, literally her name was Mary Sioux and she was given near godly powers, was very likeable among her peers, and had a ridiculously almost protagonist style level of morality. Basically the main character Tanya the anti-hero literally faces what is normally a stereotypically bad written hero character, in a very serious life/death environment. Btw also love the films portrayal of the Soviet Union called the Russi-Federation, even Lavrentiy Beria right down to his pedo tendencies. Of course for entertainment reasons the USSR's faults were cranked to 11, but some of the stuff was gold. Like a radio call for artillery support getting warped from one radio relay station to the next as the officers in charge didn't want to be the ones reporting bad news so like a Chinese Whisper game the message high command received was nothing like what officers on the front line were reporting.
Like Winters said, "God bless, no one tries harder than Peacock." He just wasnt good at it.
Toye coming back even though he wasn't fully recovered, Guarnere rushing out to help his wounded friend with incoming artillery on the way, Malarkey on the edgee of cracking and in desperate need of a respite but unwilling to leave the line until Lip convinced him that he should go back to say goodbye to Buck Compton because it would mean a lot to Buck. Lip looking out for them all like a big brother. The loyalty they have for each other really gets you.
Fun fact: the German sniper that popped up in the end was a crazy story. They said that Shifty had the best eye sight of the whole company and was an outstanding marksman cuz of his hunting experience back home before the war. When they went and searched the sniper in the building they said that the only injury was a clean bullet hole between his eyes
The reason they focused on Lipton to carry this episode is to show his lead ship qualities as an enlisted NCO and that his battlefield commission to an officer was well deserved. His qualities of care and water are of the troops, this was a transition and transformation of a leader who didn’t see themselves as a leader, which is why he didn’t sound forceful or strong. . You are doing a great job with this series and thanks a lot.
So, you’re saying he had … The Right Stuff? He wasn’t just some New Kid on the Block?
@@gawainethefirst Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
"His qualities of care and water are of the troops?" What a strange expression! Are you physically ok? Should someone call emergency services to make sure you have the "care and water of the troops" that you need right now?
"Care and water"? I'm guessing it's an autotype error, but I'm baffled.
@@kaziu312 correction..”care and feeding” of the troops.
Lipton put his life in Shifty's hands trusting that Shifty would shoot the sniper before the sniper shot him. That's some trust.
Trust, based on experience. He knew the kind of marksman Shifty was.
What they don't tell you in this episode is that Lieutenant Dike
was wounded and in shock when he was relieved
So there is a BIG debate about LT. Dike and the attack on Foy and him being wounded many go with the Clancy story who said that he noticed Dike being wounded but there is no mention of him being hit during the attack. so per the old CO E/506th living history unit who has copies of all the E co & 506th reports and spent alot of time with all the vets - "they hated him (Dike). The only thing they didn't like in the series is that it didn't show the absolutely massive foxhole he had the Co HQ guys dig for him. "It was as big as a hotel". (heard Wild Bill talking about that)
so Dike wasn't hit during the assault on Foy. A lot of people think he was due to the miniseries and some comments Clancy Lyall made (even though he never saw Dike during the assault). There’s absolutely no record of him being hit or mention in the morning report copies."
Lipton was doing the job of two very different soldiers in this episode. Company commander and first sargent. He literally held Easy together single handedly.
As for Winters, he could not go out as Company Co. He's now responsible for the whole batallion (3 or 4 companies). You saw his boss, Colonel Sink, call him back when he started to run out. He then made an excellent snap judgement.
25:53 what Speirs is saying is that Lipton is getting promoted from sergeant to lieutenant. He’s already in charge in spirit. Now he’s getting the rank to match. For context, Dike was also a lieutenant.
It’s not just any promotion. He was being commissioned. He went from enlisted to officer which is more than him going from E-5 to E-6. He’s now an O-1
A battlefield commission is extremely rare. It's a huge honor. Very well deserved by Lipton.
@@moralecomicsanimated2273 Yes. They don't give that to just anyone. Such a Warrior has really, really earned it.
Dike was also a lieutenant, but not the same lieutenant. He would have been a first lieutenant while Lip was becoming a second lieutenant.
@@canadian__ninja idk if this counts as a spoiler for the show because I can’t remember if they show it so fair warning for anyone. I should have made the distinction between 1st LT and 2nd LT, but I know Lipton is promoted to 1st LT before the war ends. Regardless, it was definitely a rare but definitely earned commission.
Remember what Spiers told Blithe in episode 3: the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. He walked the wall.
In 2007 my wife and I visited family members stationed in Germany. While there, we were taken to the Easy Company foxholes at Foy, Belgium. My brother in law, an army chaplain, explained that an infantry officer could read the ground like a map, and know how to identify the foxhole of every person depicted in this drama. Standing on the spot where this episode takes place was quite a moving experience to us.
The representation of Lt Dike is inaccurate. He was not cowardly nor was he afraid to give orders or make decisions. He fought on d-day and rallied and lead a critical defense of key infrastructure and was awarded a medal for his valor/actions. Further he served in the Korean War with distinction with none of the complaints east company had against him before or after. What likely happened was easy company didn’t like him because he was a replacement coupled with comparisons to more outstanding officers like Winters. In the battle of Foy LT Dike was shot at the outset of the battle and suffered severe blood loss which sent him into shock making him combat ineffective, it was not cowardice. Like with Hoobler his wound was obscured by the heavy winter clothing so from easy companies perspective he was being cowardly when in reality he was just severely wounded and delirious. Band of brothers has some inaccuracies and has also taken some liberties with events to make it more palatable as a show, but it’s important to remember these were real people, which is why I am correcting the inaccuracies regarding Lt Dike. He was a real person who served his country in its time of need and did so valiantly, he should not be remembered accordingly and not the cowardly and incompetent misrepresentation the show created.
Respect the correction, shame dike is being misrepresented..!
It's accurate as far as how the company viewed him. Winters hated Dike. But yeah he got shot and kinda fell apart and couldn't do much after that. Kinda wish the show has a less bias approach to it.
And kinda wish people would stop repeating things they saw in a historybuffs video. Reel History does a more in-depth breakdown of the series and the people portrayed in the series
His portrayal is based on his direct superior's account(Winters), and the company first Sgt (Lipton). Not sure who else you would believe.
Winters personally signed off this portrayal, the injury was only of significance to the high ups that wanted to justify his replacement.
Another comment was mentioning Dike's leadership style.. more of a hands off approach, which was in direct opposition to what Easy Company was used to with Winters' hands on way of doing things. That was what caused the negative opinion of Dike. And to be honest, I kind of have to agree with that view. A combat company leader that's not really involved with the company's dealings is not the kind of CO you would want. You don't know him, you can't trust him. If feels like dealing with his subordinates is more of a chore than anything else. The stand off command style is better suited for Battalion commanders on up.
Dyke's interaction with Lipton was like he was checking off boxes in the "How to get to know your men" section of the handbook.
"Got that done"
Yes. Very awkward.
lmao I thought the same exact thing! He must have been really well connected to get a field command.
Ronald Spiers is well worth reading up on , what a legend. Love the way Lipton hands the glory to Shifty after offering himself as bait. A truly humble hero
It seems clear that Norman Dike had his shortcomings, and he definitely did not live up to the standards of the men of Easy Company, but the show kind of did him a big disservice by portraying him ONLY based on the negative impressions Easy had of "Foxhole Norman." Dike was twice decorated for bravery in battle with the Bronze Star for valor, once during Operation Market Garden, and again for something he had done at Bastogne a bit more than a week before the attack on Foy. And in that attack, while the show depicts him as having some kind of breakdown, he was actually badly wounded and suffering from shock and blood loss, according to at least one report....that is why he lost his faculties by the hay stack. 💯✌
The show is based on Winters' and Lipton's personal account. I don't really need to see the official records of someone with connections among the group that writes them. There are also disputes regarding his actual wounding as just a cover, but no disputes regarding him being relieved of command.
I've got to go check with regimental.
@@isawaakuma The Operations Room has recently released a definitive account of the attack on Foy that clears up all the disputes. Dike was wounded, and then relieved...both are true.
@@andygossard4293 Yeah...Dike obviously had issues, and he did not fit in or gel with Easy Company at all...that is for sure.
@@isawaakuma It's mostly based on Ambrose's book, and he's known in the history community as a bit of a joke for not fact checking what he writes. "There have been numerous well documented allegations of plagiarism, inaccuracies, and sloppiness in Ambrose's writings in addition to claims that he has made about his works." this is literally the second sentence on his wiki article. XD BoB is easily in my top 3 favorite TV shows, which is exactly why I'm aware of it's MANY historical inaccuracies, it's a great TV SHOW made for entertainment, not a historical documentary.
Girl was feeling Spiers when he started giving them orders 😜🤣
"Mortars and grenades till its gone" DAMN.
We all were
One of the real vets in the opening of a previous episode said "We had good officers...FOR THE MOST PART, but we had EXCELLENT NCOs." Lip is the is the epitome of the excellent NCO. He's down in the dirt with the men, has earned their trust and respect, and gives them stability, leadership and support they need to function and survive.
Wow. One of my favorite episodes. It had so much - the action, the drama including Buck, Guarnere, Joe Toye, Lipton's leadership, Speirs coming to the rescue, addressing the rumor, notifying Lipton of the promotion...
14:29 The way you can see the mind of Buck Compton just breaking is so touching. And so well acted by McDonough.
Yes. A lot of good acting in this Series.
Also, Malarkey's transformation from the young, green, soldier at Toccoa...into...the haggard, combat hardened veteran with lots of BTDT Sfc. at Hagenau in Episode 8, is very good craftsmanship...
Up until this series Donnie Wahlberg had not done a lot of acting. His portrayal of Lipton blew me away. As an actor myself I really appreciated how committed he was and how he got better each episode. By this episode he was "in the zone" and completely believable as Carwood Lipton. A perfect example was the look he gives as he's realizing what Spears was actually doing. Acting is just as much what you can say without dialogue as you can with, and that look he gave was just perfect.
In the Ambrose book, Band of Brothers, about the time in Bastogne when Shifty mentioned to his commanding officer that he noticed a tree in the distant forest that was not there just the day before. The "tree" was ultimately discovered to be a camouflaged German artillery piece. Were it not for Shifty's keen observations and outdoors experiences, many lives may have been lost, had that enemy weapon not been spotted from a distance of nearly a mile away and amongst a literal forest of other trees.
There are different ways to be a leader. Spiers is showcasing one of them. It's a difficult style of leadership to maintain but it works well if you do it right. Spiers also showcases a different style of dealing with the trauma with his previous "only hope you have is know that you're already dead" speech. For the record, it has been confirmed by a few of the actual soldiers, including Winters, that Spiers did actually shoot those German POW's.
They were under orders not to take any pows during the early moments of D-Day because if they did the pows can undermine their ability to advance or give away their position
Two things, Dike actually received two bronze stars for courage before foy and served with honors in korea ( make of that what you will). Spiers told winter's later in life that the stories about him were true.
A somewhat new subscriber, but Califorinablend is quickly becoming one of my favorite blend of reactor, individual character, genuine; someone that offers up her personal feelings and thoughts in a honest way. A dignified amount of real emotion (no overtness for the camera). A good soul, it seems. How rare is that. ❤
I couldn't agree more! Her sincerity and attention to the detail of the series is what I like. I look forward to her videos popping up and will set aside plans to watch other content until I have finished each new release.
Agreed, it's good to see someone who has been Californized with a great fun personality watch something close to being historically accurate. Americans need a deep dive education in the sacrifice so many made for the simple joys in life. She is excellent! She should watch "The Pacific" next.
Yes
She is awesome. I am touched every episode by her compassion. Her faith and character seem sincere. And a very attractive lady.
I agree
THIS is a heavy episode. This and 9 are the toughest for me.
10 has some interesting moments as well.
This is my favorite episode for Sgt Lipton’s narration. I feel like his experience gives a great cross section of the grunts and commanders.
Supposedly Toye and Guarniere lived close to each other after the war and used to meet every so often to buy shoes. One would get the right shoe and the other the left...
Size 9 like everybody else
Lt. Norman Dike, in actuality, was an incredibly brave, and, capable platoon leader. Having already won 2 Bronze Stars, 1 Silver Star, and, a Purple Heart by this point in the war. He went on to serve, with distinction, in Korea, resigning his commission as a Lt.Colonel in 1957.
People keep bringing that up about Dyke.
So were the eyewitness accounts from the book about him constantly doping off from the company long BEFORE Foy (and his wound) true or not?
When the people who served with you say one thing and the "official" records say another, I'd rather rely on the guys who were getting shot at and shelled when he was supposed to be there and apparently wasn't.
A lot of officers got medals simply because they were in the right TO&E slots when the hammer came down.
25:51 that's a pretty big deal. He was a First Sergeant which is a E-8. The highest rank he could achieve is E-9 which is Sergeant Major. That's because he's enlisted.
Normally you would have to get a college degree, go through a selection process and then go to OCS to become an officer. In times of war with depleted leadership sometimes Enlistedmen who have distinguished themselves the way he had were given a battlefield commission and become officers.
It seems silly but the newest lowest rank officer straight out of college outranks the highest ranked enlistedman who has been in for 20+ years. If he was anything like his onscreen depiction I'd say he deserved it.
You don't like 1SG Lipton because you don't like New Kids on the Block
LOL
I can respect your opinion but these aren't just characters. This is a true story albeit not 100% accurate. The characters are portraying real people. First Sergeant Lipton was a strong Non Commissioned Officer and the backbone of Easy Company during the battle of the bulge. I think distilling any of the actors down to a character is a disservice to the men these actors represent.
In real life Ronald Speirs run was like a half a mile. It's totally true. It actually happened it's probably one of the bravest moments in the Second World War.
Three excellent episodes left. HBO's "The Pacific" is excellent as well. A third season is upcoming but not by HBO.
Spears is something else👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Lipton led in a quiet manner, but he had the complete respect of his brothers. He's not portrayed as the 'superhero' leader that Speirs was but, make no mistake, the men listened when Lipton spoke. His quieter nature may be why you feel not quite connected to him. Yet, he was smart, dependable, and highly respected by the men. To me, he was the perfect person to focus this episode on as, when everyone else is falling apart, he remained as he was. Or was able to keep the facade from cracking as well.
Told you a while back, you'll change your mind about Spears.
Lipton's actions here are exactly what a senior NCO is supposed to be. Offer advice, hold morale together, attempt to help weak officers, but also voice concerns to higher when that help isn't being beneficial.
Hard job to do when dealing with where Dike was at this point. The really sad thing is, that by all accounts, Dike was a solid combat leader up to this point. He had seen plenty of action, performed extremely well, and had even been awarded the Bronze Star twice, once for actions IN Bastogne where he dragged three wounded men to safety under intense enemy fire. The conflict just broke the man in the end and you can't really blame him for that. It's even sadder that Dike had actually been shot twice, which went unnoticed by Easy Company. Most of his confusion and indecision was probably due to that.
Even after the war he went on to incredible things. Worked for the CIA, became a respected attorney, and the vice president of a mining company. He was an exceptional individual, but everyone has their breaking point.
#Californiablend Don't forget after the 10 episodes there is a special called "We stand alone together" from the old soldiers that start out the episodes.
Thank you for your reactions. I love Band of Brothers. Spiers is good guy and he was a good combat leader. You can trust him
Seen this untold times but still get goosebumps at Spiers running through the Germans and back.
Me too. That’s the part I was waiting for the most from this episode. Really amazing.
WHY did he not receive the MoH for that? He definitely rated it.
Hard to believe he could run that fast hauling those enormous brass balls around.
@@suflanker45 good point
There's an interview with Winters floating around here on youtube where they ask specifically about Spiers and those stories. Winters said the stories were absolutely true, confirmed directly by Spiers to Winters. (To be fair to Spiers, all of the paratroopers going into D-Day were ordered not to take prisoners, because they didn't have the logistics to handle prisoners in the middle of the invasion. So, even though shooting POWs is a war crime now per the Geneva Convention post-WWII, it was a legal order at the time.)
Love ur verses. Lipton is low key and unassuming but that's the point. He held the company together using his low key style. Spears points this out to him at the end. U have to be authentic in ur style or the men see thru it. Lipton is getting a battlefield promotion to Lieutenant (officer). Your comments are very appropriate and cogent compared to many other reactors. Good job
You will see how Spiers shows concern for Lipton at the beginning of the next episode
And now you've met the REAL Captain America... Ronald Spears.
Funny enough, Neal McDonough was in the first Captain America movie as Dum DUm Dugan, classic Marvel character.
Couldn’t wait for your reaction to this video ! I mentioned it in a previous video.. couldn’t wait for you to see Lt.Speirs legendary moment
This is the best Episode of the entire Series
I really appreciate that you pay attention to the details and remember the past scenes with the different soldiers. I a have seen a few reactors that were completely confused by this point in the show. Kudos.
The helmet shacking when Spears offers a cigarette 😂. Gets me every time.
😉 Yup, Spiers "just happened to be there". Just like that TV "fell off the back of the truck."
I'd bet folding money Winters told Spiers to stick around, like a fire extinguisher. "Break glass in case of emergency."
You know, I have never thought of that, and I have watched this at least thirty times. But it does make a lot of sense.
@@dalebillings6703 As 2nd battalion commander, he had D, E, and F companies. It makes sense.
"Get Dog company's CO over here, I have to talk to him."
33:05 There was absolutely nothing Winters could do about Dyke and both him and Lipton knew it.
Lip could have been in some significant trouble for speaking out against an officer as well, but Winters understood why he was saying it and let him speak his piece.
One my favorite comments someone made about this episode is when someone wrote "I don't know how Speirs can run that fast with those gigantic balls."
Another “quick” comment about what you were saying regarding Lipton being the focal point this episode…
It seems that the series tries to give us multiple perspectives to see how the war was affecting the men all throughout the company, not just following Winters the entire time. That’s why it’s called Band of Brothers and not Major Dick Winters series.
Please don’t take offense on that last part, I wasn’t being snide or trying to be rude, I was simply pointing it out. Episodes 1 & 2 were the company as a whole/the emergence of Winters as their C. O. Episode 3 is about the affect fear has on soldiers, but the focus is on a private in Blythe. Episode 4 is about replacements coming in. Episode 5 brings us back to Winters and the company as he gets promoted to Battalion command. 6 is the perspective of Doc Roe, this episode is the affect of good leadership vs. bad and how that affected the NCO’s like Lipton who had to cover for the bad. The other episodes have their own perspectives and how war affected the men from the vantage points of different people or incidents, and finally the end of the war and going back to civilian life.
What I’m trying to say is don’t look at it as how effective they were are getting you to care about Lipton, he was a red herring. Look at this episode at how your thoughts on leadership had been formed, broken down, and reformed through the old (Winters), the current (Dike), and the new (Spiers). Using that as your lens, I think you’ll appreciate the role of Lipton as a character a lot more in this episode. He was simply being used to convey the problems and give background to the viewer for more context.
Well said sir. Sounds like you may also be a veteran yourself?
@@jschrauwen nope, but I am a history teacher, am burdened with an over abundance of logical thinking, and have seen this series dozens of times. Although, this is the first time I’ve actually had to think of the meaning and perspectives of each episode to help make a point, so I’m glad it comes across as cogent on the first try!!!🤣
For Lip to be critical of his commander to the Battalion Commander is a major risk. Military culture and protocols could get you caught up and disciplined. Winter's, having full trust and confidence in Lip knew that he was right but couldn't do anything about it.
Thats why he comments "I did something I never thought I would do as 1st Sgt."
You have yet to see Speirs at his most intense.
The most likely explanation for Dyke was PTSD. Imagine if Buck had continued in the shape he was in, it would have been about the same as Dyke. The men knew Buck though and knew what he had done previously so they had empathy for him. Dyke was new to the company and the men did not realize how out of character he was behaving.
You were talking about how their voices sounded so real, well, most of the actors are British and Irish. Winters, "Babe" Heffron, "Popeye" Wynn, Martin, Liebgott, Christenson, "Cowboy" Hall, Ranney, Evans, Blythe, Janovec, Miller, Foley, Welsh, Sisk, "Doc" Roe, Moore, Cobb, Grant, "Tab" Talbert, Penkala, Vest, Tipper, Smith, "Hoobs" Hoobler, Allington, Petty, Jackson, "Mo" Alley, Dukeman, Dike, "One Lung" McClung, Heyliger, Lesniewski, Hashey, Suerth, McGrath, Hester, Mellett, Levenson, Lorraine, "Doc" Ryan, "Doc" Spina and Meehan. That's 44 of them. There were more, plus some other nationalities too. I think you will look back and be very surprised that you thought so many 9f them are American. ☺😉👍
"Snipers be, just, sniping." awesome. Luv your vids, have a good day
Thanks, you too!
If you remember Spiers convo with Blythe about how in order to overcome fear you have to accept the fact you're already dead. Spiers put it into practice in this episode.
Winters just turned and Spears was the first man he saw. Immediately called him into action.
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*RANKS* hope this helps.
Private
Private First Class
Technician 5th Grade
Corporal
Technician 4th Grade
Sergeant
Technician 3rd Grade
Sergeant First Class
Staff Sergeant
Technical Sergeant
Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
Second Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel
Brigadier General
Major General
Lieutenant General
General
(the rank of technician was a rank created and only used during WW 2. The rank was equivalent to it's grouping but the individual lacked command training but was rather specifically trained in a technological skill, ie; disarming land mines, explosives, etc. The rank of technician was only used during 1942-1948 then removed. In 1955 it was reinstituted as designation of "specialist".)
MAIN CAST of(BOB)
By the end of series (dead or alive) the men presented here will have achieved these ranks.
Kirk Acevedo as Staff Sergeant Joe Toye,
Eion Bailey as Private First Class David Kenyon Webster,
Michael Cudlitz as Staff Sergeant Denver "Bull" Randleman,
Dale Dye as Colonel Robert Sink,
Rick Gomez as Technician Fourth Grade George Luz,
Scott Grimes as Technical Sergeant Donald Malarkey,
Frank John Hughes as Staff Sergeant William "Wild Bill" Guarnere,
Damian Lewis as Major Richard "Dick" Winters,
Ron Livingston as Captain Lewis Nixon,
James Madio as Technician Fourth Grade Frank Perconte,
Neal McDonough as First Lieutenant Lynn "Buck" Compton,
Rene L. Moreno as Technician Fifth Grade Joseph Ramirez,
David Schwimmer as Captain Herbert Sobel,
Richard Speight, Jr. as Sergeant Warren "Skip" Muck,
Donnie Wahlberg as Second Lieutenant Carwood Lipton,
Matthew Settle as Captain Ronald Speirs,
Douglas Spain as Technician Fifth Grade Antonio C. Garcia,
Rick Warden as First Lieutenant Harry Welsh,
Marc Warren as Private Albert Blithe,
Shane Taylor as Technician Fourth Grade Eugene "Doc" Roe,
Dexter Fletcher as Staff Sergeant John "Johnny" Martin,
Colin Hanks as First Lieutenant Henry S. Jones,
Ross McCall as Technician Fifth Grade Joseph Liebgott.
The artillery barrage that killed Muck & Penkala lasted for more than an hour.
It's a painful, trumatic, episode, Joe Toye, Guarnier, Muck, & a few others died. And Compton's loss is very painful.
The thing with Lipton was, this is a true story, and you can't tell it without talking about the Glue that held it together. Winters is gone as CO for months already. Lipton is with them since Curahee, since their founding. The problem with his storyline, even with the excitement of getting half his face blown off, is he's simply steady as a rock. He just did his job day in and day out, every day, day after day. He just isn't exciting. He's efficient and proficient, and goes about his job with little to no personal drama. He simply does his job. And it may be that he, in fact, had a journal. Sure, he's not a panty dropper like Spears, but guys like Lipton won the war. Spears is G.I.Joe
Dike was portrayed a lot worse than in real life. When the assault stalled and he was saying he didn't know what to do, he was actually hit in the shoulder, which is why they actually stopped. According to historical documents Dike had “organized and led scattered groups of parachutists in the successful defense of an important road... while completely surrounded" in September of 1944 at Uden, Holland, actions meriting him a Bronze Star. A second was awarded for actions at Bastogne when "he personally removed from an exposed position, in full enemy view, three wounded members of his company, while under intense small arms fire" on January 3, 1945. Lt. Dike's actions at Foy seem to have been a personal breaking point for him.
Afterward, Dike remained with the US Army Reserve and served during the Korean War, becoming a lieutenant colonel until resigning in 1957. After his European tour ended he finished his law degree at Yale in 1947. Between the period of 1949-1959 he would: become a member of the N.Y. and D.C. Law Bars, be a U.S. Commissioner in Japan, work for the CIA, and finally act as vice president and comptroller of the United Western Minerals Company.
As a veteran of 38 years, I am truly impressed at your reaction series on Band of Brothers. As your reactions progressed, I could see how you became truly invested. Not only do you pick up on the subtleties within the stories of this series, you understand correctly the deeper meaning behind them. I commend your enthusiasm in tackling a sometimes difficult subject and your empathy towards the characters portrayed.
I've followed at least 20 youtubers reactions to BoB and you're in my top 3.
I have some suggestions for movie trilogies that I believe will garner substantial views/likes if you're interested.
Cheers.
Thank you so much for coming along this journey! Sure, drop some suggestions .
The military has commissioned officers (officers) and noncommissioned officers (nco). Officers are ultimately the ones in charge and NCOs are like management...
However as you go up the ranks and responsibilities...your upper NCOs (1SG, MSG, SGM, CSM) are responsible for large groups of men like officers and help the commanders execute their mission and provide experience and knowledge.
Lipton was promoted from NCO (1SG) to officer (2LT). Back in the earlier days of the military, battle field commission (promoted during war from NCO to Officer) were common. Now days it is very rare. But they do have programs like "green to gold" that help enlisted soldiers become officers (officers require minimum Bachelors degree). However now days...upper NCO positions require degrees as well.
25:47 There is difference between NCO and CO, ie None Commissioned Officer and Commissioned Officer. NCOs are people who rank up from the bottom, ie they start out their career as a Private. Sergeants are just about the highest ranks a NCO can reach in the Army. Commissioned Officers normally go through special education, ie military schools and normally start out at the rank of Lieutenant upon graduation. It's actually why nearly all military/naval pilots start at a Lieutenant rank as well.
Basically it is possible for a NCO however to become a CO. Requires a lot of paperwork lets put it that way, and it's pretty rare for it to happen.
In the US Military sadly to get the opportunity to join a military academy sadly requires a personal recommendation from a high ranking Public official, governor, president, senators etc. This is why it's called Commissioned Officer because you're given the authority by commission of a sovereign government and represent that authority of said sovereign government. Plain english, you're a servant of the state and get paid for it and the legal state, not a political party, your own political views are void.
Careful with Speirs :D The real life one, I mean! (No spoilers, don't worry) The show does lend him a LOT of eh... absolvence :D
He did run into situations, yes - but also, the rumors about him - apparently, they were also true (to which extent, I don't know)
I think the truest Speirs moment, is when he talks to Blithe during Carentan, and explains his warfare philosophy: They are all dead men, with no mercy, no remorse - "all war depends on it"
The Operations Room, a really good RUclips channel, put out an episode a few days ago breaking down the assault on Foy. ruclips.net/video/i5K_iPpqw5E/видео.html .
Quite a few differences from the actual battle to what was seen on this episode of BoB. Lt. Spears' run past the Germans did actually happen. As for Lt. Dyke, he got something of a raw deal in this show. His character portrayal was based on interviews from the men of Easy Company who did not think much of him. But Dyke actually won two Bronze Stars during his career and retired from the Army in 1957 as a Lt. Colonel.
I think showing the 'boring' side of war is necessary because while it is huge battles and adrenaline, it's also, sitting around camped in a forest for weeks on end.
Also, Lipton wasn't the strongest? How dare you, lmao. Lipton is who kept the men together, and he's definitely not a huge personality like Speirs or Buck, but I think having POVs from characters who aren't as gung ho is necessary. Also, I can't stand the actor who plays Buck so maybe that has something to do with it.
Winters couldn't do anything about it - he's not the one in command, Sink is, and he didn't really call on Speirs until it he felt he had no choice, especially since Sink was right there.
The Breaking Point was SO STRESSFUL, and it was one of the biggest battles in Europe in WW2 - and to just skip over Bill, Joe, Hoobler, and the other men who were killed just to have them missing later wouldn't make any sense - all of those men were with Easy from the beginning.
Honestly, Episode 8 is my least favourite, and I think it could have been cut 😂 so I'm curious to see how you like it!
Lieutenant Speirs was a TrackStar and one of the fastest men on his college track team.
Its wild because you can’t even be critical of anybody who has a normal reaction to experiencing these things. Humans are complex and all have different reactions to extreme stress. I hate that people had to go through this. We see these 20 or so men, but the tens of MILLIONS who died, all had friends, family who loved them......and the starving public? Its crazy that this just wasn’t that long ago.
You might be the only person who didn't like Lipton's narration of this episode. This was so greatly written and he carried the episode because he carried Easy Company through that whole phase of Bastogne and Foy. Definitely my favorite episode. To each their own I guess ❤
“Another rich jerk from Yale?
Why did Winters say this to Nixon? Because Nixon’s parents were rich & Nixon graduated from Yale. The series never mentions he went to Yale & only once implied his parents were rich. If you didn’t read the book you would misunderstand the point of the joke.
I normally don’t watch these reaction videos. I like that CB has vested time to understand and reflect on Easy Company. Did you know that many stars started in this series, not only Damian Lewis, but folks like Simon Pegg and Tom Hardy. Shot in Hatfield about 20 miles from where I grew up.
Ah Lipton. Not bad for a New Kid on the Block! Your understanding of military is getting better, but I highly recommend watching Kings and Generals on RUclips. Since you already saw it, watch how it really went down!
Oh man, this is the episode I been preparing for (again) 😢
I am already mentally preparing to go through ep 9 again😓
Really have to give it to First Sergeant Carwood Lipton. As a civilian, he might have been one of those sentimental guys who would say, “Please Don’t Go, Girl,” and he knew why he was afraid to be alone, but as a soldier, he definitely had The Right Stuff. Didn’t mind spending a long time in the field to become a Dirty Dawg, and also knew how to keep on Hanging Tough whenever things went south. As a sergeant, he knew that military protocol meant going Step by Step up the chain of command, so when he jumped over Dike to tell Winters his misgivings, he definitely wasn’t in no mood for no more Games. You could tell that, by that time, he was definitely no longer a New Kid on the Block.
So there is a BIG debate about LT. Dike and the attack on Foy and him being wounded many go with the Clancy story who said that he noticed Dike being wounded but there is no mention of him being hit during the attack. so per the old CO E/506th living history unit who has copies of all the E co & 506th reports and spent alot of time with all the vets - "they hated him (Dike). The only thing they didn't like in the series is that it didn't show the absolutely massive foxhole he had the Co HQ guys dig for him. "It was as big as a hotel". (heard Wild Bill talking about that)
so Dike wasn't hit during the assault on Foy. A lot of people think he was due to the miniseries and some comments Clancy Lyall made (even though he never saw Dike during the assault). There’s absolutely no record of him being hit or mention in the morning report copies."
That’s surprising that you didn’t care for the Sgt. Lipton perspective/narration. I felt totally opposite. But yeah, the Lt. Spiers twist was awesome.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it is extremely significant when Buck takes off his helmet after seeing Toye and Guarnere laying on the ground. Removing one’s helmet during a war is a sign that a soldier is done and will be pretty much useless the rest of the time. It is truly the breaking point of a soldier in that moment. They had been trained to never take their helmet off while on the line, so it’s almost like an involuntary signal to everyone that they’ve had enough mentally, emotionally, physically…even spiritually. That’s what makes it even more heartbreaking that it was Buck that it happened to, because he was such a good leader.
As for Lipton’s discussion with Spiers at the end of the episode, I know many have explained what it means. Let me clarify and give you some deeper context. When you enlist in the army or are drafter, you begin as a private and during Basic Training (or just after) they kind of feel out who would be good leaders and promote them to Corporals or Sergeants. A 1st Sgt. is (I think) the highest rank an enlisted man can attain. In order to go higher, you would have to go thru Officer Training School, which is something like a year or two of its own, which is what Winters, Nixon, and others did, that’s why they began the series as Lieutenants.
Today, most soldiers who become officers do so by going to college at West Point. When you graduate from there you are instantly a Lieutenant (again, I think, I have no official knowledge of this, just what I have come to understand by reading and watching shows about the military).
So for Lipton to jump from 1st Sgt. to 2nd Lt. is huge and pretty rare because he’s bypassing the normal training/schooling required of an officer, but he had the love and respect of the men for how he led them during that time, truly setting himself apart from others like Dike.
25:53 He's making him an officer. In the army (as well as the other branches) you have two types or classes of soldier, the enlisted men and the officers. The distinction goes back to the times of aristocrats where you had the the upper classes and the lower classes, the upper classes obviously weren't going to do grunt work so they gave themselves fancy titles and uniforms and 'led' the lower classes. A lot has changed since then but this distinction still exists in the army. Most officers join the army as officers, they don't start as privates like the enlisted men and work their way up. They go to a special military school, basically a university, and when they graduate they are commissioned as 2nd Lieutenants. Their first job is platoon leader (What Compton, Peacock and Shames were in Easy company.) The next level of responsibility for them is company executive officer, which is second in charge of a company (what Winters was on D-Day) at that point they're usually going to be 1st Lieutenants. A company commander (CO) is going to be a Captain and he's in charge of roughly 100 men. That was Dike's job. There are other, tangential jobs in the army, like Nixon who is in Intelligence or how Sobel was transferred to be a supply officer, and, of course once people start dying men are moved to replace them even though their rank might not be high enough to be "right." Winters became acting CO when he was a 1st Lieutenant, and many Sergeants are put in charge of platoons when the officer in charge dies.
Enlisted men typically are not college educated and they start at the bottom. While they're training some, who show leadership potential, will be promoted and, of course during the course of their service they likewise will be promoted. The stripes on their shoulders indicate their rank, they're called "chevrons." One is a private (the lowest rank), two is a corporal, three is a sergeant. Under those chevrons are sometimes more stripes, curved semi-circular lines, those are called rockers, they indicate even higher ranks. Each rank typically indicates a level of responsibility but again in war this goes out the window and people with lower ranks are forced to do more than they should. Lipton at this time has the highest rank an enlisted man can have and occupies the highest position, he's a First Sergeant. He's not in charge of the company per se (that's Dike's job) but he does have a leadership role in it. Whereas Dike is supposed to lead the men but keep a certain level of distance (again going back to those aristocratic roots) Lipton is one of them, he's one of the plebs and his position of leadership was earned rather than appointed.
What makes this promotion a big deal is that it's rare. It's called a battlefield commission. Instead of going to a military academy and getting a commission like the other officers, he's being given one because of his exemplary service. It's like rather than getting a medical degree and becoming a doctor, a nurse that's been working at a hospital for so long is being recognized as "good enough" to do the job. That analogy isn't perfect but I think it works. This is pretty much only a war-time thing. Once the war is over they'd have Lipton (if he decided to stay in the army) go get a degree and meet the necessary requirements like the other officers, but while men are dying and they need dependable replacements, occasionally an enlisted man will show himself to be such a good leader that they make him an officer.
tl;dr It's a huge deal to be given a battlefield commission. Lipton is being promoted out of the enlisted ranks and into the officer ranks, which are reserved for college-educated men. It shows that his superiors think very highly of his ability to lead men in combat.
so funny story during the 50th ann. for the Battle of the Bulge they had a big reenactment in PA. We had a bunch of E co. vets visiting. So we had a real EPIC Prop Blast Bash too. at some point as we were drinking & Singing 1 of our guys comes up to "Wild Bill" and says hey Bill i am going over to visit the area of the line you were in , is their anything you want me to bring back for you" Bill lowers his beer looks him straight in his eyes and says "Yeah, if you could find my leg that would be great" then he smiled and lifted his beer, we all laughed and cheered and toasted to Bill's leg. also toasted to Hinkel. those were some great time. Sadly that Scalawag passed away in 2014
To be fair, Dyke went on to receive 2 Bronze Stars and was prompted. The reason they treated him was an analogy for those Officers who were like the character they portrayed Dyke to be. Spears was a serious bad ass he did those things you saw and more in fact if they told his story you might not have believed it. The Sam way they told the Story in Hacksaw Ridge. Desmond Doss one of the few Medal of Honor winners who was awarded and alive to receive it. He personally recovered 100 plus men off of Hacksaw Ridge, but they only said 75. Even when wounded he crawled off his stretcher to save fellow soldiers. It is an amazing story you should react to it. It will blow your mind.
Women definitely Spears differently then men do....and I completely understand.....he's an anti hero, Punisher, type....does "what needs to be done" nothing more nothing less
You’re lack of historical perspective is astounding.
The Germans’ reason for being there was infinitely different than the Americans’. Germany had invaded and subjugated most all of Europe, and parts Northern Africa and the Middle East.
America was there to liberate those lands.
This episode certainly made the point as to why we fight. But throughout the series you should have gotten the reason as they gave their lives to also liberate France, Belgium and Netherlands.
To me the breaking point is two-pronged. The first is Buck Compton dropping his helmet and yelling for a medic. He is broken. The second is Lt. Spiers explaining to Sgt. Lipton how he was the keystone holding Easy Company together. The company is intact.
23:13 I actually saw a video where a guy went to Foy and found this EXACT position where Lipton made the run and the building where the sniper was hiding, and the corner where Shifty took his shot. Quite amazing to see :)
Military ranks can be kind of confusing so I’ll try to make it simple to understand. There are 2 different sets of ranks. Your enlisted men who are your privates and sergeants, then you have your commissioned officers who are your lieutenant’s, captains, majors, colonels, and generals. The lowest ranking officer a lieutenant is still a higher rank than the highest ranking enlisted man. It is not common to go from enlisted to commissioned. You usually join up as one or the other and work your way up that sides ranks. Enlisted are the soldiers, the grunts, and officers are your leadership and office workers. So in the context of the end of this episode he is getting a rare chance to go from the top of the enlisted ranks to the bottom of the officer ranks which again, is not common.
It feels like the ultimate war episode, lots of waiting, entrenching, btwn extremely violent episodes. The constant deadly & demoralizing shelling, the cold, the attacks on Foye, ect.
And it's true to the history & experience, of Easy & one so deadly & etched in each man's soul that it both traumatized & bonded them deeply.
Winter's had no authority to change Dyke & cut off, undermanned & w/o replacements there was no one to replace any soldier.
Spiers probably should have got the Medal of Honour for regrouping Easy's assault and saving the company leading the attack on in
My favorite episode. I think it has at once both the emotional low and high of the entire series. We see a whole bunch of the guys we've been following get hit or have to be taken out of action. Speirs has been built up into this almost mythical figure over the earlier episodes, and we finally get the payoff of all that.
And then there's the battlefield commission for Lipton at the end. Normally, you have to have a college degree to be an officer. Even the lowest ranking officer, fresh out of college, outranks the highest ranking enlisted men with 20+ years of experience. Now, in practice, smart junior officers listen to and learn from their senior enlisted men, but officially speaking they do outrank them. Battlefield commissions basically waive that college degree requirement. Its basically saying "this guy is such a good leader, he really should be an officer." Its not an ordinary promotion, its sort of a super-promotion, really a pretty big deal and a testament to Lipton's leadership.
As a veteran. This episode was to show the mental health issues with men and prolonged combat. Lt Spears is a great leader. He genuinely cared about the men he served with as all good officers do because they realize the weight of such a responsibility and as officer, Senior Non-Commissioned Officer and Non-Commissioned officer it is ingrained in you to lead by example. Meaning don't ask something of your troops that you yourself couldn't do. Lipton was commissioned Lieutenant because he took care of the men and went above and beyond. He deserved this and showed the caliber of leadership around him paid attention to all the men in the unit. The episodes only get more impactful as it continues. Reminder this whole story is from the accounts of men who were there and some of the heroics are NOT embellished this stuff happens in combat. Just like Hacksaw was downplayed because they thought people wouldn't believe the heroics he performed. I cannot give enough credit to our WWII veterans as what they endured. I am proud to have been able to serve because of them.
My uncle was part of infantry . They were walking beside of the tank. A German threw a gernade. A piece of it got him in the face, taking out both jawbone. I can't hardly believe the medical treatment of the army. He woke up on a ship halfway to America. They put metal in his face and replaced his jawbone. He never talked about it. He didn't have scars. I thought he just didn't like to shave. Mom explained why he left the what we used to call a 5 o'clock shadow.
Here’s a link to a video about a museum exhibit dedicated to Spears that y’all my find interesting. ruclips.net/video/QR2rcOdOzAM/видео.html