It’ll be like Duke-UNC when they play in the tourneys. It’ll just mean even more in terms of the rivalry and bragging. Any opportunity of ending your rival’s season is heavenly bliss no matter when it is.
1. College Football has never been bigger 2.Both Teams undefeated 3.Playoff stakes drop next year 4.Rivalry at apex with Michigan winning last two…OSU dominating hurt the game 5.Cheating Allegations/Harbaugh absence This is the biggest game ever.
This is the biggest michigan/tOSU game ever. It's not even a top 20,000 real game ever. It's two average teams facing their first real opponent in week twelve to decide who gets to lose a playoff game (if they can survive another trash program, Iowa).
michigan is playing for there reputation. osu is playing for there excuses. michigan cant lose or it tarnishes the last two years. osu loses to michigan without a coach or "scouting". they lost the last 3 years twice. alot of pressure on both sides.
this will actually be the last “The Game” that has so much meaning to it with all that’s going on + the CFP only having 4 teams. next year you can have like 2-3 losses and somehow the committee will still let teams in. it’ll take some stress off the players and coaches, knowing they don’t have to go 1-0 each week
Like it or not the playoff is getting expanded because of years like this where so many good teams are gonna get left out. 2018 &2021 buckeyes would’ve made some noise in the playoff had it been bigger then
Thats a great point unless they meet in a playoff. I still believe the larger playoff in general will make the potential for teams to schedule bigger games in the regular season making the overall regular season experience better for the fan.
@@neildeal248 it’s more likely they’re gonna meet twice before the CFP since no divisions next year and the Big-10 will still be Michigan and Ohio State
That is why the 12-team play-off format was terrible. People who were intelligent and NOT GREEDY, said leave it or expand to 8 teams. For this reason right here. Teams 9-12 wont be able to beat teams 1-4.
@@jeffbridges3026 that doesn’t mean there was more at stake. Just more controversy surrounding the game. It was #1 vs #2 not #2 vs #3 and the winner played for all the marbles. Michigan still has work to do to make that happen. 06 was without a doubt the biggest game in the rivalry.
This is the last true game. As a buckeye fan I hate yall but love yall and I hope we smash yall but this game won’t be the same after the new playoff format.
Same here, brother. I just hope we can keep the temperature down. It was much funner with Woody and Bo. They got along off the field. Keeps the rivalry respectful. Last thing Michigan needs is another vitriolic rivalry like we have with Michigan state. Good luck to your team... just not on Saturday 😉 34-21 MEEECHIGAN 💛💙
On an interception with less than 30 seconds left in the game. 3 years straight, for the 1st time since we won it all. On Corums Birthday, with no Harbaugh, and no signs. Biggest ever. 🔵🟡 👑
Huh??? Michigan wasn’t even in the playoff picture prior to 2021 but the game was still important. The game will still matter even if doesn’t determine the playoff picture
Huh??? "In the playoff picture" must mean something different to you than it does me. In 2018 and 2016 they were 1 win against OSU away from making said playoffs - but of course that gets conveniently forgotten. Those weren't great Michigan teams but they went in to THE GAME with 1 loss... ranked in the top 4 both years...
@@adbmiller24 yeah they were in the picture in the same way that Louisville is in the picture this year. My point is this game exists in its own ecosystem and will continue to be important regardless of what’s going on with the playoffs
No it won’t be as meaningful in the future. These 2 will be in the top 12 for years to come. Not to mention playing in the regular season then meeting up in the big10 championship. Either way both teams will be in the post season so this new layout definitely hurts the meaning of this game
@@polo4941 you’re assuming both teams will remain at the top of their conference in the future. With the PAC-12 teams joining I don’t think Michigan and OSU will play for the conference title every year.
You know what, realizing this is the last time The Game is played at the end of the regular season and seeing another comment on this, I just want to say.... Michigan, I really REALLY hate you; but I also love you, thanks for helping make this rivalry such a special thing.
I’m a Buckeye and I care zero about the scandal. You are projecting about the scandal. We lost because of our defense. You listen to trolls too much. We don’t care. We just want to win on Saturday.
This is gonna be an epic game. I sometimes wish two undefeated teams didnt have to go against each other, but that's life. Good luck to both teams. The amount of talent in this game on both teams is gonna be wild.
With the margins for this year's CFP being so close, I would not be surprised to see either team just never take the foot off the gas to blow out the other and effectively eliminate that team from the CFP depending on how everything else plays out
@@denny6789The NFL helped Pete Carrol do it JH. I'm sure the same will happen here. The NCAA is undoubtedly more corrupt than the NFL for obvious reasons.
Rich, you sound ridiculous. Having signals wouldn't do what your alleging...but you know that. Your team cheated. You can't prove it didn't give them an advantage. They created this narrative and gave teams like OSU an excuse now. Even if you win this game, this season will be vacated because.. YOUR TEAM CHEATED!!!!
You mean to tell me OSU won 17 out of 20 years and didn't cheat? Uncle Urban didn't have Don Brown's signs? This is just Republicans and Democrats...... Pick your side..... Unfortunately that's how the world is anymore and that is sad, look if Harbaugh knew anything they will find out and put the kabash to everything Michigan for like 10 years but let it play out and as far as on the field, the lines have always decided this game.... That's why Michigan won the last 2 years!
Extremely different Ohio State coaches and staff members/interns would have been fired already.. when gangrene infects your program you amputate the infection before it kills everything
I would argue that the 06 game was. Number 1 vs 2. Bo having passed the day before. Despite digging a hole, the Wolverines fought back admirably to end in a 3 pt loss. Some Buckeye fans really earned my respect that day. They mourned for Bo as well, and had his name plastered all over town. I try to remember them when dealing with typical poisonous nuts.
They mourned Bo bc he was an assistant coach to Woody…don’t get it twisted…plus Bo had a losing record to Woody…cmon we’re mourn when cryin ryan gets canned…1-3 record against UoM 〽️〽️〽️ 3-Peat GO BLUE!
The main reason that Michigan was able to beat OSU the last 2 years is because they finally had a good Quarterback. OSU has had very good QBs for the last approx. 12 years where Michigan's QB were less than average, thus OSU dominated that time period.
WRONG. We finally had a Defense with a schematic advantage. The Baltimore Ravens-styled Defense Michigan now uses is light years ahead of Don Browns schemes.
It’s the Flint Michigan Megabowl! Or Ann Arbor Michigan MegaBowl! The trophy is 10 feet high! I’ve seen it! And when The Wolverine’s win on Saturday we are gonna fire that big cannon off, loaded with Ohio states hopes and dreams, and tears!
Grow up. Michigan isnt in trouble for having stolen signs. All teams have them. Someone went to a game and recorded them, rather than getting access via other means. For Ohio State, they put together a Band Camp Club to pass out cheat sheets among the members. So spare us the drama.
No, what he was doing was mocking the simps that think you can actually steal signs, and that game to game its all the same 😅😅 only a butt hurt fan who hates just to ease his petty ego thinks this is actually cheating.
@@EarlyRiser71they won't vacate wins for a rule they almost removed 2 years ago that's a level 2 infraction and calls for punishment of the staffer. It's just a fetish term for delusional Ohio state fans The reason OSU vacated wins over trophy gate is because they violated the NIL rules at the time which was no paying players. Ten had over 200 infractions and only vacated wins in which had illegal recruits in the game.
"Are you nervous, Rigoberto?" "No ma'am. It's just a game." Interesting how both the players and the fans have "careers" they concern themselves with, posterity-wise--but only the players can do anything about it. The fans can only watch helplessly.
The fans fund the operation. The fans have a vested interest and they do influence outcomes, not only with financial contributions, but also when they attend games and specifically when the opposing team's defense is on the field. Fans are not completely helpless.
UM didn’t have OSU plays or signs, Stallions was a coach hacker. He social engineered the coaching and play calling. Stallions was much more advanced than a normal scout. Also, if nothing illegal was committed then no one would have been fired. Also, never underestimate AI software with the info that stallions was gaining, its not perfect but eventually, as the game wears one, it only takes a couple big plays and scores to change the entire complexion of a game. You don’t need to know all the signs or plays, just the ones that give an advantage based on a teams strength.
They will never take away what we accomplished. Ohio State won’t take accountability for their losses….the world famous Kardashians just can’t accept that they were outcoached & outplayed.
And What have you accomplished exactly? Absolutely nothing lmao y'all won 2 games and think you guys are untouchable now when Ohio State has been dominating Michigan for the last 20 years lmfao but I'm honored to know that you guys FINALLY beating us is such a huge accomplishment for you all lol
And What have you accomplished exactly? Absolutely nothing lmao y'all won 2 games and think you guys are untouchable now when Ohio State has been dominating Michigan for the last 20 years lmfao but I'm honored to know that you guys FINALLY beating us is such a huge accomplishment for you all lol
Thank you Rich Eisen. I mirror that completely . I have followed Jim from U of SD winner, Stanford winner , The 49's 3yr Superbowl, Michigan 11yr. winner. GO BLUE !
As a UM alum it’s enraging that unethical behavior and continued lying by athletic department employees have damaged what should be the experience of a lifetime for student athletes. Recently this type of behavior has been ongoing within multiple programs at UM, with the student athletes always paying the price.
UM always said they were different, always a cut above. The veneer is off; it’s a win-at-all-costs pirate SEC type program period. It’s a clarifying moment.
Personally I think the most important game in the rivalry was '69. It was less of a rivalry before that game. That loss galled Woody so badly that it kicked off the entire modern day rivalry. He didn't like Michigan before that game. He detested it afterwards.
You mean like Ohio St and Rutgers giving Purdue Michigan's signals before the Big 10 championship game....that kind?? You're no better. 4th and 1 Investigations 🔎
Coaches share fairly gotten intel all the time. It's not against the rules. There's a reason the NCAA isn't investing that. Maybe if Harbaugh wasn't such a douche, he'd have friends too. From a SF fan. UM will have to have another 1000 win ceremony after the NCAA comes down.
@@brianmanuel1202 who bought those tickets for Ohio and Rutgers' coaching staff to travel and attend games then? That's what's it's about; not the signals.
This is only a big game for Michigan and Michigan fans. Ohio State has been superior in every aspect of football for the past 15 years. When Michigan can put together a program that sustains success for a decade plus kicking the rear ends of Ohio State, only then will Michigan have the attention of Ohio State. This isn't as big to Buckeye idiots as it is to Wolverine idiots.
This is friggin' ridiculous. Any big football power (and, if we're realistic, most mid-and-smaller sized programs) "has all the other teams' plays" on video tape. In fact, don't they exchange all-22s? Analysts can then reverse-engineer the playbook. Isn't that happening already? Geebus, with all the AWS and next-gen stats, and whatever the hell, it's hard to believe the the head coaches don't have printouts of the opposing quarterback's blood work, and copies of the last 6 term papers he wrote in English Lit. What's the "scandal?"
Footballs version of cancel culture. If cancelling people wasn't influenced by ulterior motives then you would see a lot of people get cancelled that haven't been cancelled. What's it truly about is character assassination and gaining an advantage-no matter what that advantage may be. They pick and choose who gets targeted.
Because knowing plays can't be scripted to perfect reactions to all 11 players on the field at once and football was still tough, no cheating advantage of significance could ever be had. Impeccable logic...
Well considering the NCAA views it as a level 2 infraction and almost removed the rule two years ago because they viewed it as zero significant advantage lol 😂😂😂😂
@@ericwatson3490 again, you're being naive. You only listen to "they put forward the motions to remove the rule" without even considering the arguments brought forward at the time to why it wasn't. It has significant advantage sometimes, hardly none at other times. Consider a 1990s offense where the QB is almost always changing with a huddle. Vs a 2010 Oklahoma that was 99% warp speed snap every two seconds no time for huddles so we look for the quick sideline instruction quickly. But most teams are a blend of this, and depending on each person's experience with this, you often get those different answers even among the NFL players, hence why you can hear some saying "omg, it is nothing" vs others saying it isn't. But here's the solid facts: most whi say it's nothing equate it to good people just reading signs in game and getting good at guessing, but not an entire 50 man operation to get fat better at that with the banned cameras and spies. The videotaping is like what the Astros did, perhaps worse. And we know it gave an advantage there, on a sport that relies far less on chess knowledge of opponent alignments.
I think the bigger question is, once the B1G, the other Big, and the SEC have 65 teams total, will they be able to force Notre Dame to join their super-leagues when they secede from the NCAA and form their own association?
For me, the answer to this question relies on NBC. If they get a better rights deal for the Big 10 in 6 years time, will they leave Notre Dame hanging? They have one championship game to broadcast in the 7 year deal that started this year, it will be on year four of the contract (2026). We all know that ND doesn't leave it's independent status due to the money they get
I'm glad to see Eisen make a mockery of this entire sham of a witch hunt looking for snake shi* in the grass. Ubsurd doesn't begin to cover how ignorant this whole thing has been.
This year 'The Game' has different meaning for both schools... For Michigan it's pretty simple, you have to treat this as win or else. With who's missing and why for this game tomorrow, you cannot think that even IF everything breaks how you need it to next weekend that you're getting a spot in the Big School Invitational. Nah, that's probably not happening and I don't need some insider to tell me this. This is the ultimate 'All or Nothing' for the Wolverines. For Ohio State, the conference really put this one on a tee for ya. No Harbaugh. Win and you're probably in the Big School Invitational cause what? Iowa's gonna go nuclear next weekend and break 20? This is the best opportunity that the Buckeyes have to stick it to That School Up North. IF for whatever the reason Ryan Day Cooper fails to win, he had best be prepared to live the next year out of boxes. Not beating Michigan is what got John Cooper ran. (Not winning bowl games too, but not beating Michigan is as fireable an offense as there is in Columbus.) Should be interesting tomorrow afternoon.
Why would he??? Everything he said is the truth as it is currently known outside of the Shittersphere... How dare someone not accept that the ONLY possible reason is just that Ohio got taken out behind the woodshed and came out the loser. How many of those Buckeye faithful will backpedal if Michigan shoves this whole heaping pile of horse manure down their throats tomorrow? There is NO POSSIBLE way unless Michigan is still out there scouting illegally. This whole situation, on its face, is pathetic AND stupid. Just watch this week's Klatt interview with Cowherd for a too hard to handle take on "signs and signals."
Notre Dame fan here. So your line of thinking as a Michigan fan is, if we had the signs the last few years, why would we have given up so many yards passing to Stroud and trailed the game against OSU at any point? How does that prove anything? You can cheat and still struggle, especially if you’re playing a better team. For the record, I can’t stand OSU or UM. But your line of reasoning is flawed. If Michigan cheated at all with advanced scouting and sign stealing, they should be punished. And if that helped on even one 3rd down stop, for example, against OSU in the game, that’s enough to turn momentum and be a contributing factor in the outcome.
I can't believe Rich is still towing this line about Michigan...you think he would have learned after the two same season suspensions...but maybe he will learn once the NCAA drops the hand of god on Michigan.
I have a feeling The Blake Great Corum and the Don Donovan Edwards show up and hit them gaps a little differently tomorrow. Those who stay. And tomorrow they will draw a line in the sand. It’s on
Two things can be true... 1. Advanced Scouting could give a minor edge and it's still cheating. 2. Advanced Scouting gives no edge at all and it's still cheating. Can you spot the similarities?
As a Buckeye fan show me how this changed the last to games before I give a crap we lost if the same team wins every year would it matter after that. Been here for the winning streaks and losing streaks same thing with Alabama and Georgia
Of course they benefitted. Why go through all of the expense and subterfuge? Scouting Ohio State eight times?! No matter what happens Saturday, they are still cheaters.
Yeah man idk about that. That’s how’s everyone’s trying to play it off like they were cheating on the field. Dude this was a rules violation for scouting. Signs don’t matter that much otherwise Ohio state and Rutgers would be in trouble for giving Purdue Michigans signs. It’s part of the game to scout the opponent. Teams commit petty crimes like this all the time
I think the sign stealing is beneficial in situations like.. if I know you are blitzing a certain gap and you will have no safety help I know which run play to call or I know to call a slant and if your cornerback misses a tackle it's touchdown... Or if you call a certain run play I call a defensive blitz to the same gap or if you call certain pass plays I know where I need safety help now it's just up to my secondary to make the plays I'm putting them in the position to do it
2006 1 vs 2. One plays for National Championship, other does not. Much bigger than this game. Maybe this is bigger for Michigan's emotions because they will go down as eternal cheaters and losers when they take the L.
Big Ten schedules will not be significantly better next year even with the new conference teams (it’ll take years to cycle in new members to each team schedule), and non-conference schedules have always been a big issue. Case and point: Ohio State is playing Akron, Western Michigan, and Marshall in 2024. Laughable.
@@GregChief34 Michigan deserves the hardest schedule in football for the next 5 years with the way they have avoided playing meaningful games in recent years. Total clown college
I think we all witnessed the high road with Ryan Day. His losing composure in South Bend said it all berating an 87 year old man yelling where's Lou Holtz revealed his true lack of respect for the game. Respect is the key word being humiliated 2 years in a row in Ann Arbor and Columbus and taking it off of the field in placing it in the hands of investigators showed his lack of respect even for his own players worried that they couldn't win on the field in Ann Arbor this year. Ryan day will be proven a fraud in Ann Arbor in the game his investigation will have backfired and will have brought about his demise in the sport.
A little big-headed? His rant after ND was about you (MI), not the disrespect of Lou Holtz in the prior week? Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Instead of blaming Ryan Day for the investigation, you should be blaming the MI head coach and coaching staff. Ryan Day wasn't spying for MI and this investigation will not bring about his demise in this sport. This investigation will much more likely cause a demise to the MI university. Why wouldn't other coaches in the Big 10, want to stop MI from gaining an unfair advantage? It's definitely not for lack of respect of their own players. That is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Worry about your own fucking team, not the messenger, who is the Big 10, not OSU. Whichever team plays the best tomorrow, will most likely win. Whoever scores more points, will definitely win. Whoever loses doesn't become a fraud but they will be devastated. I will look forward to the game being played on equal footing this year, though.
It’s so good to hear some honest critique on the other side. Thank you for doing your job and asking these kind of questions and saying common sense things. It doesn’t add up and it definitely looks like a witch hunt against a guy, some people hate. I think we should open up all the programs of all those who are doing things much worse than sign stealing which most everyone does. Oh but the way Michigan allegedly did it was the wrong way to do it and if you get together with others it’s all right.
Jim Harbaugh has always shown disrespect for Ryan Day. His comments about being "born on third base," "hard to beat the cheaters," unsubstantiated allegations, etc., directed at Day took the rivalry into the mud. The Game has become vulgar because of him. He is a disgrace and has lost control of his program, hiring men of little or no character - cheaters, a pedophile, and a coordinator accused of computer crimes. Many coaches have been banished for far less; only his position at UM has given him protection. Lack of Institutional Control is evident. A lack of dignity and the sullying of The Game will be his legacy.
I believe TTUN would have won the first one. The second I believe OSU would have won. I don’t believe it was a “knew every play” but I think it effected 5-10 plays. From there we just don’t know. That’s my opinion! I also think it took Stallion time to figure out which play calls we were using. So I think those five to 10 plays were all in the second half.
This is a massive game, no question. Undefeated teams, and no shortage of storylines. With that said, 2006 may never be topped in this series. 1 v. 2, loser eliminated from the national championship game, and there was the small matter of a Heisman Trophy looming over proceedings. That was the Big 10 Championship Game before there was a Big 10 Championship Game. No one on the planet is calling this year's iteration the Game of the Century.
Michigan has tainted this rivalry. Rich and other Michigan men are part of the problem. Had they demanded transparency, instead of defending the cheating, I could respect them. Now it's just hate. Hate for what they did to the kids and coaches at other schools. Hate for what they did to their own players.
Rich, your argument can be essentially boiled down to "If card counting works so well, how come I lost some hands? I mean, sure I won millions of dollars from the casio, but how come I didn't win every single hand?!" That's either dumb or disingenuous.
Everybody saying this is the biggest game ever. Can you imagine them playing against each other in a playoff game or dare I say the national championship?
The Game will always matter, despite future playoff formats
Facts
Under new format, they could play each other twice in conference and again in the playoffs. They could matchup 3 times in one season.
It’ll be like Duke-UNC when they play in the tourneys. It’ll just mean even more in terms of the rivalry and bragging. Any opportunity of ending your rival’s season is heavenly bliss no matter when it is.
Yes…but not quite as much. Everything has its peak.
@@33moneyball Fair point
1. College Football has never been bigger
2.Both Teams undefeated
3.Playoff stakes drop next year
4.Rivalry at apex with Michigan winning last two…OSU dominating hurt the game
5.Cheating Allegations/Harbaugh absence
This is the biggest game ever.
We know the OSU elites paid to remove Harbs…yep.
This is the biggest michigan/tOSU game ever. It's not even a top 20,000 real game ever. It's two average teams facing their first real opponent in week twelve to decide who gets to lose a playoff game (if they can survive another trash program, Iowa).
@@anotherheffisamazing, every word of what you just said was wrong
michigan is playing for there reputation. osu is playing for there excuses. michigan cant lose or it tarnishes the last two years. osu loses to michigan without a coach or "scouting". they lost the last 3 years twice. alot of pressure on both sides.
@@williamw3501 "their". Hire someone to post for you.
this will actually be the last “The Game” that has so much meaning to it with all that’s going on + the CFP only having 4 teams. next year you can have like 2-3 losses and somehow the committee will still let teams in. it’ll take some stress off the players and coaches, knowing they don’t have to go 1-0 each week
Like it or not the playoff is getting expanded because of years like this where so many good teams are gonna get left out. 2018 &2021 buckeyes would’ve made some noise in the playoff had it been bigger then
There will be another one with meaning everyone is just super stuck in the moment
Thats a great point unless they meet in a playoff. I still believe the larger playoff in general will make the potential for teams to schedule bigger games in the regular season making the overall regular season experience better for the fan.
@@neildeal248 it’s more likely they’re gonna meet twice before the CFP since no divisions next year and the Big-10 will still be Michigan and Ohio State
That is why the 12-team play-off format was terrible. People who were intelligent and NOT GREEDY, said leave it or expand to 8 teams.
For this reason right here. Teams 9-12 wont be able to beat teams 1-4.
06 was the biggest matchup. #1 vs #2 with a national title spot on the line. Not to mention the NFL talent that played in that game.
2006 wasn't even close to yesterday. Had none of the off-the-field implications
@@jeffbridges3026 that doesn’t mean there was more at stake. Just more controversy surrounding the game. It was #1 vs #2 not #2 vs #3 and the winner played for all the marbles. Michigan still has work to do to make that happen. 06 was without a doubt the biggest game in the rivalry.
@@Est.1998 Add in Bo dying and Heisman candidates on each side (Smith and Hart).
This is the last true game. As a buckeye fan I hate yall but love yall and I hope we smash yall but this game won’t be the same after the new playoff format.
Same here, brother. I just hope we can keep the temperature down. It was much funner with Woody and Bo. They got along off the field. Keeps the rivalry respectful.
Last thing Michigan needs is another vitriolic rivalry like we have with Michigan state.
Good luck to your team... just not on Saturday 😉
34-21 MEEECHIGAN 💛💙
Yall two go get a room after the game. Coach Hamburgers is gonna be the main excuse for Michigan loss. 45-21 TOSU
Go Blue!
@@sianefer-ptah1258yeah I’m not much for off the field and non game day drama. I think we take this one late
@@anonymouscustomer4252I hope we do win. I can’t stand losing to this team
On an interception with less than 30 seconds left in the game. 3 years straight, for the 1st time since we won it all. On Corums Birthday, with no Harbaugh, and no signs. Biggest ever. 🔵🟡 👑
Huh??? Michigan wasn’t even in the playoff picture prior to 2021 but the game was still important. The game will still matter even if doesn’t determine the playoff picture
Huh??? "In the playoff picture" must mean something different to you than it does me. In 2018 and 2016 they were 1 win against OSU away from making said playoffs - but of course that gets conveniently forgotten. Those weren't great Michigan teams but they went in to THE GAME with 1 loss... ranked in the top 4 both years...
@@adbmiller24 yeah they were in the picture in the same way that Louisville is in the picture this year. My point is this game exists in its own ecosystem and will continue to be important regardless of what’s going on with the playoffs
Incorrect. In 2016 & 2018, if Michigan wins, they are playing in the CFP (especially since no West team has ever won the conference championship)
No it won’t be as meaningful in the future. These 2 will be in the top 12 for years to come. Not to mention playing in the regular season then meeting up in the big10 championship. Either way both teams will be in the post season so this new layout definitely hurts the meaning of this game
@@polo4941 you’re assuming both teams will remain at the top of their conference in the future. With the PAC-12 teams joining I don’t think Michigan and OSU will play for the conference title every year.
You know what, realizing this is the last time The Game is played at the end of the regular season and seeing another comment on this, I just want to say....
Michigan, I really REALLY hate you; but I also love you, thanks for helping make this rivalry such a special thing.
Ohio state and Michigan are playing at the end of the season next year
@@Christian_Smith777 Oh, one year off, oops; thanks for correcting me.
Anyway, sentiment still stands.
@@weazyll... Goofball 🤦♂️
🤡SU.
I’m a Buckeye and I care zero about the scandal. You are projecting about the scandal. We lost because of our defense. You listen to trolls too much. We don’t care. We just want to win on Saturday.
Rich is stressing 😂😂
This is gonna be an epic game. I sometimes wish two undefeated teams didnt have to go against each other, but that's life. Good luck to both teams. The amount of talent in this game on both teams is gonna be wild.
The doing away of the divisions may cause the two universities to play twice for the Big Ten Championship or in the CFP.
With the margins for this year's CFP being so close, I would not be surprised to see either team just never take the foot off the gas to blow out the other and effectively eliminate that team from the CFP depending on how everything else plays out
Bet. Ryan Day wants to put JH in his Coffin before the NCAA does.
@@denny6789The NFL helped Pete Carrol do it JH. I'm sure the same will happen here. The NCAA is undoubtedly more corrupt than the NFL for obvious reasons.
@@denny6789 Ryan Day(Cooper) failed again unfortunately
@@denny6789 instead they never had the lead once nor even had the ball while tied
Grandpa Rich gonna tell his grandchildren his Top 5 every weekend when they visit him
I'm an ohio st fan, and i don't know a single person blaming connor for the last 2 yrs. We just got flat out played. Plain an simple
I’m a Michigan fan and I respect this comment.
@jayglenn82 Michigan is so good, its hard for most of us to admit it hahaha
They might not be "blaming Connor," but half of the comments about the game are about how Michigan only won the last 2 years because of sign stealing.
Having entire playbook of the other team and still innocent, Go BUCKS
u might be the single person in ohio not blaming the last 2 years on the media-driven scandal
Rich, you sound ridiculous. Having signals wouldn't do what your alleging...but you know that. Your team cheated. You can't prove it didn't give them an advantage. They created this narrative and gave teams like OSU an excuse now. Even if you win this game, this season will be vacated because.. YOUR TEAM CHEATED!!!!
I haven’t slept.. and I won’t! This is everything
Imagine how different this would be if The Ohio State were the one caught cheating.
It would be pretty different considering Ohio State has been more successful
You mean to tell me OSU won 17 out of 20 years and didn't cheat? Uncle Urban didn't have Don Brown's signs? This is just Republicans and Democrats...... Pick your side..... Unfortunately that's how the world is anymore and that is sad, look if Harbaugh knew anything they will find out and put the kabash to everything Michigan for like 10 years but let it play out and as far as on the field, the lines have always decided this game.... That's why Michigan won the last 2 years!
100% When OSU players traded their autographed jerseys for tatoos - Tressel fired, forfeit of wins, and lose of scholarships
@@andrewzuk8721 sure after everything sure that's how an investigation works I agree....
Extremely different Ohio State coaches and staff members/interns would have been fired already.. when gangrene infects your program you amputate the infection before it kills everything
Somebody better buy Rich a box of tissues in preparation of tomorrows game.
I think Rich is doing JUST fine.
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yea, so he can pass them out to suckeye fans lmao
I would argue that the 06 game was. Number 1 vs 2. Bo having passed the day before. Despite digging a hole, the Wolverines fought back admirably to end in a 3 pt loss.
Some Buckeye fans really earned my respect that day. They mourned for Bo as well, and had his name plastered all over town.
I try to remember them when dealing with typical poisonous nuts.
They mourned Bo bc he was an assistant coach to Woody…don’t get it twisted…plus Bo had a losing record to Woody…cmon we’re mourn when cryin ryan gets canned…1-3 record against UoM
〽️〽️〽️ 3-Peat GO BLUE!
So Rich has this and Brockman has the “most important Patriots/Giants game ever”? Monday’s show is about to be FIRE!!!
The main reason that Michigan was able to beat OSU the last 2 years is because they finally had a good Quarterback. OSU has had very good QBs for the last approx. 12 years where Michigan's QB were less than average, thus OSU dominated that time period.
Your QB isn't that good. Look at his last two games without cheating.
LOL JJ hasn't thrown an TD pass since yall got caught cheating!! LOL Dude is a bust and wont' be drafted no NFL team is taking him
WRONG. We finally had a Defense with a schematic advantage.
The Baltimore Ravens-styled Defense Michigan now uses is light years ahead of Don Browns schemes.
@@denny6789 Whelp he did just fine against that pathetic TTDS defense.
@@denny6789 I'll take McCarthy's play over those sweet interceptions your guy threw in the big moments.
It’s the Flint Michigan Megabowl! Or Ann Arbor Michigan MegaBowl!
The trophy is 10 feet high! I’ve seen it!
And when The Wolverine’s win on Saturday we are gonna fire that big cannon off, loaded with Ohio states hopes and dreams, and tears!
Ohio State is gonna win this time. Michigan is definitely good but the Buckeyes will win it today.
Go Big Blue!!
I love that Rich's argument is basically "hey we may have cheated but we are clearly not that good at cheating so its not a big deal!"
Grow up.
Michigan isnt in trouble for having stolen signs. All teams have them. Someone went to a game and recorded them, rather than getting access via other means.
For Ohio State, they put together a Band Camp Club to pass out cheat sheets among the members.
So spare us the drama.
Whatever helps you cry yourself to sleep at night, bud
Keep on crying :)
put a sock in it
No, what he was doing was mocking the simps that think you can actually steal signs, and that game to game its all the same 😅😅 only a butt hurt fan who hates just to ease his petty ego thinks this is actually cheating.
WILD logic at the end. “If we were cheating, how did you score?”.
The Ohio State Michigan game is going to be crazy tomorrow!
The timing of all this is what is alarming to me. Ohio will have no excuse to use if they lose
This season will be vacted for Michigan, so will OSU really lose? Not really.
Michigan has more to lose. If UM loses, they lose the past two years as well.
@@EarlyRiser71they won't vacate wins for a rule they almost removed 2 years ago that's a level 2 infraction and calls for punishment of the staffer.
It's just a fetish term for delusional Ohio state fans
The reason OSU vacated wins over trophy gate is because they violated the NIL rules at the time which was no paying players.
Ten had over 200 infractions and only vacated wins in which had illegal recruits in the game.
Ohio already played and won against Akron
They will be left out of the playoff. That’s not a loss?
"Are you nervous, Rigoberto?" "No ma'am. It's just a game."
Interesting how both the players and the fans have "careers" they concern themselves with, posterity-wise--but only the players can do anything about it. The fans can only watch helplessly.
The fans fund the operation. The fans have a vested interest and they do influence outcomes, not only with financial contributions, but also when they attend games and specifically when the opposing team's defense is on the field. Fans are not completely helpless.
UM didn’t have OSU plays or signs, Stallions was a coach hacker. He social engineered the coaching and play calling. Stallions was much more advanced than a normal scout. Also, if nothing illegal was committed then no one would have been fired. Also, never underestimate AI software with the info that stallions was gaining, its not perfect but eventually, as the game wears one, it only takes a couple big plays and scores to change the entire complexion of a game. You don’t need to know all the signs or plays, just the ones that give an advantage based on a teams strength.
We Won!!! Go Blue!!!
The sign stealing thing is only a big deal to people who don’t know football
They will never take away what we accomplished. Ohio State won’t take accountability for their losses….the world famous Kardashians just can’t accept that they were outcoached & outplayed.
Outcheated...yes.
And What have you accomplished exactly? Absolutely nothing lmao y'all won 2 games and think you guys are untouchable now when Ohio State has been dominating Michigan for the last 20 years lmfao but I'm honored to know that you guys FINALLY beating us is such a huge accomplishment for you all lol
And What have you accomplished exactly? Absolutely nothing lmao y'all won 2 games and think you guys are untouchable now when Ohio State has been dominating Michigan for the last 20 years lmfao but I'm honored to know that you guys FINALLY beating us is such a huge accomplishment for you all lol
@@Malo5136where were you from 1985 to 2000?
Thank you Rich Eisen. I mirror that completely . I have followed Jim from U of SD winner, Stanford winner , The 49's 3yr Superbowl, Michigan 11yr. winner. GO BLUE !
Michigan won the last 2 years because they had cheating advantage. That’s why they got slapped by TCU and OSU played Georgia better than Michigan.
🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, Stop with all THE EXCUSES, You got ran all over last year
@@hopefulelectoftheng2819not hard to do when the other team is cheating. 😂😂😂
As a UM alum it’s enraging that unethical behavior and continued lying by athletic department employees have damaged what should be the experience of a lifetime for student athletes.
Recently this type of behavior has been ongoing within multiple programs at UM, with the student athletes always paying the price.
UM always said they were different, always a cut above.
The veneer is off; it’s a win-at-all-costs pirate SEC type program period.
It’s a clarifying moment.
Who lied or cheated that's no longer with the program? Or are those two who you're talking about?
At least you’re upset with the correct people and not finger pointing like most of the fan base
Ohio is a state school..always inferior. Catch up
@@Professional-fh1ow well, for now, harbough
Go Blue! 〽️💙💛🏈
"ticket buying scandal" rich would be great at cable news propaganda
Personally I think the most important game in the rivalry was '69. It was less of a rivalry before that game. That loss galled Woody so badly that it kicked off the entire modern day rivalry. He didn't like Michigan before that game. He detested it afterwards.
Ohio said they changed their signs last year and got their asses kicked in their own home anyway
“How dare someone tell on us for breaking the rules”
You mean like Ohio St and Rutgers giving Purdue Michigan's signals before the Big 10 championship game....that kind?? You're no better. 4th and 1 Investigations 🔎
Coaches share fairly gotten intel all the time.
It's not against the rules.
There's a reason the NCAA isn't investing that.
Maybe if Harbaugh wasn't such a douche, he'd have friends too.
From a SF fan.
UM will have to have another 1000 win ceremony after the NCAA comes down.
@brianmanuel1202 who cares about those schools...your team got caught and will pay dearly for YEARS.
@@brianmanuel1202 who bought those tickets for Ohio and Rutgers' coaching staff to travel and attend games then? That's what's it's about; not the signals.
@@pretzelhunt got it....they were stolen from the sidelines instead of someone in the stands . much better .
Let’s go Wolverines!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is only a big game for Michigan and Michigan fans. Ohio State has been superior in every aspect of football for the past 15 years. When Michigan can put together a program that sustains success for a decade plus kicking the rear ends of Ohio State, only then will Michigan have the attention of Ohio State. This isn't as big to Buckeye idiots as it is to Wolverine idiots.
This is friggin' ridiculous. Any big football power (and, if we're realistic, most mid-and-smaller sized programs) "has all the other teams' plays" on video tape. In fact, don't they exchange all-22s? Analysts can then reverse-engineer the playbook. Isn't that happening already? Geebus, with all the AWS and next-gen stats, and whatever the hell, it's hard to believe the the head coaches don't have printouts of the opposing quarterback's blood work, and copies of the last 6 term papers he wrote in English Lit. What's the "scandal?"
Footballs version of cancel culture. If cancelling people wasn't influenced by ulterior motives then you would see a lot of people get cancelled that haven't been cancelled. What's it truly about is character assassination and gaining an advantage-no matter what that advantage may be. They pick and choose who gets targeted.
Because knowing plays can't be scripted to perfect reactions to all 11 players on the field at once and football was still tough, no cheating advantage of significance could ever be had. Impeccable logic...
Well considering the NCAA views it as a level 2 infraction and almost removed the rule two years ago because they viewed it as zero significant advantage lol 😂😂😂😂
@@ericwatson3490 again, you're being naive. You only listen to "they put forward the motions to remove the rule" without even considering the arguments brought forward at the time to why it wasn't. It has significant advantage sometimes, hardly none at other times. Consider a 1990s offense where the QB is almost always changing with a huddle. Vs a 2010 Oklahoma that was 99% warp speed snap every two seconds no time for huddles so we look for the quick sideline instruction quickly. But most teams are a blend of this, and depending on each person's experience with this, you often get those different answers even among the NFL players, hence why you can hear some saying "omg, it is nothing" vs others saying it isn't.
But here's the solid facts: most whi say it's nothing equate it to good people just reading signs in game and getting good at guessing, but not an entire 50 man operation to get fat better at that with the banned cameras and spies. The videotaping is like what the Astros did, perhaps worse. And we know it gave an advantage there, on a sport that relies far less on chess knowledge of opponent alignments.
We did it Rich!
I think the bigger question is, once the B1G, the other Big, and the SEC have 65 teams total, will they be able to force Notre Dame to join their super-leagues when they secede from the NCAA and form their own association?
For me, the answer to this question relies on NBC. If they get a better rights deal for the Big 10 in 6 years time, will they leave Notre Dame hanging?
They have one championship game to broadcast in the 7 year deal that started this year, it will be on year four of the contract (2026).
We all know that ND doesn't leave it's independent status due to the money they get
I'm glad to see Eisen make a mockery of this entire sham of a witch hunt looking for snake shi* in the grass. Ubsurd doesn't begin to cover how ignorant this whole thing has been.
That was a helluva game. Respect to the Buckeyes. Go Blue
Battle for who gets to be stomped by Georgia in CFB.
Players Know also....Players should also pay the price.....
Rich is unhinged and needs an intervention.
This year 'The Game' has different meaning for both schools...
For Michigan it's pretty simple, you have to treat this as win or else. With who's missing and why for this game tomorrow, you cannot think that even IF everything breaks how you need it to next weekend that you're getting a spot in the Big School Invitational. Nah, that's probably not happening and I don't need some insider to tell me this. This is the ultimate 'All or Nothing' for the Wolverines.
For Ohio State, the conference really put this one on a tee for ya. No Harbaugh. Win and you're probably in the Big School Invitational cause what? Iowa's gonna go nuclear next weekend and break 20? This is the best opportunity that the Buckeyes have to stick it to That School Up North. IF for whatever the reason Ryan Day Cooper fails to win, he had best be prepared to live the next year out of boxes. Not beating Michigan is what got John Cooper ran. (Not winning bowl games too, but not beating Michigan is as fireable an offense as there is in Columbus.)
Should be interesting tomorrow afternoon.
Glad you put this on video before the full investigation results are out there. Should be fun to see you backpedal this 😂
Why would he??? Everything he said is the truth as it is currently known outside of the Shittersphere... How dare someone not accept that the ONLY possible reason is just that Ohio got taken out behind the woodshed and came out the loser. How many of those Buckeye faithful will backpedal if Michigan shoves this whole heaping pile of horse manure down their throats tomorrow? There is NO POSSIBLE way unless Michigan is still out there scouting illegally. This whole situation, on its face, is pathetic AND stupid.
Just watch this week's Klatt interview with Cowherd for a too hard to handle take on "signs and signals."
Its a well-known secret that Cryin Gay is behind all of this.
Why would the Astros lose a home game in the 2017 playoffs if they were really stealing signs? Cheaters
How about the possibility of OSU and Michigan playing each other 3 times in one year? Now that would be crazy!
What about when it was 1 vs 2?
Not the blowout I would have liked to have seen, but I’ll take the W
Thank you.. case closed!
Notre Dame fan here. So your line of thinking as a Michigan fan is, if we had the signs the last few years, why would we have given up so many yards passing to Stroud and trailed the game against OSU at any point? How does that prove anything? You can cheat and still struggle, especially if you’re playing a better team. For the record, I can’t stand OSU or UM. But your line of reasoning is flawed. If Michigan cheated at all with advanced scouting and sign stealing, they should be punished. And if that helped on even one 3rd down stop, for example, against OSU in the game, that’s enough to turn momentum and be a contributing factor in the outcome.
I can't believe Rich is still towing this line about Michigan...you think he would have learned after the two same season suspensions...but maybe he will learn once the NCAA drops the hand of god on Michigan.
Keeping coping 😂
@@JB-nx6jbkeep coping.
If UM wins, all of the he wins the last 3 seasons are going in the trash once the NCAA is done!
Exactly! These fans are unreal!!
Harbaugh coaching his final game at Michigan...no he is serving his 2ND suspension of the season for his teams cheating...then on to the NFL.
Having an edge doesn't mean you perfectly defend every play. If UM loses, it validates the cheating had an impact.
I have a feeling The Blake Great Corum and the Don Donovan Edwards show up and hit them gaps a little differently tomorrow. Those who stay. And tomorrow they will draw a line in the sand. It’s on
Later in life when someone asks what Jim Harbaugh was like show them that answer to the Ryan Day question lol
Hell no. Respect for one another.
Iowa needs to win the B1G championship so Ohio St and Michigan both have losses. CFP would go wild
I was thinking about that ...if Iowa Beats Michigan next WK and Alabama beats Georgia....oh man . Things will get interesting
Two things can be true...
1. Advanced Scouting could give a minor edge and it's still cheating.
2. Advanced Scouting gives no edge at all and it's still cheating.
Can you spot the similarities?
Either way you split it, winning on the field is still winning.
@@gabeswitala2292 exactly
The funniest thing would be MSU tipping off the NCAA and letting Michigan lambast and accuse OSU.
Why did UM lose so badly or to lesser team in the CFP in 21 and 22? What edge did they not have? Just saying ....
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow…
Great job 👏
As a Buckeye fan show me how this changed the last to games before I give a crap we lost if the same team wins every year would it matter after that. Been here for the winning streaks and losing streaks same thing with Alabama and Georgia
will rich cry if michigan loses tomorrow and harbough announces he is going to the NFL?
If Ohio State didn't run thier own private investigation I would be more shocked than if they did.
Rich, you need to make sure to take some valium before noon tomorrow lol
I think a fair and unbiased view of this is that Michigan is an outstanding team who also benefited from some cheating.
How, explain to me how?
Keep in mind if you know anything about football, a sign or two doesn't make a difference.
Of course they benefitted. Why go through all of the expense and subterfuge? Scouting Ohio State eight times?! No matter what happens Saturday, they are still cheaters.
Yeah man idk about that. That’s how’s everyone’s trying to play it off like they were cheating on the field. Dude this was a rules violation for scouting. Signs don’t matter that much otherwise Ohio state and Rutgers would be in trouble for giving Purdue Michigans signs. It’s part of the game to scout the opponent. Teams commit petty crimes like this all the time
@@itsmarkwtfif that was the case, why waste resources and potential penalties to cheat?
I think the sign stealing is beneficial in situations like.. if I know you are blitzing a certain gap and you will have no safety help I know which run play to call or I know to call a slant and if your cornerback misses a tackle it's touchdown... Or if you call a certain run play I call a defensive blitz to the same gap or if you call certain pass plays I know where I need safety help now it's just up to my secondary to make the plays I'm putting them in the position to do it
2006 1 vs 2. One plays for National Championship, other does not. Much bigger than this game. Maybe this is bigger for Michigan's emotions because they will go down as eternal cheaters and losers when they take the L.
In a vaccum I agree, but with the upcoming changes in CFB and the cheating, the circumstances surrounding this one make it at least as big.
As long as the Wolverines whoop the Buckeyes.
Richard, go and do some California snow and everything will be alright... 😂😂😂😂
Can't wait til next year when both of these programs actually have to play real opponents.
Big Ten schedules will not be significantly better next year even with the new conference teams (it’ll take years to cycle in new members to each team schedule), and non-conference schedules have always been a big issue. Case and point: Ohio State is playing Akron, Western Michigan, and Marshall in 2024. Laughable.
@@jonbecker4650 Only way to stay relevant is to play the irrelevant. Classic big ten move!
Check Michigan’s schedule…toughest schedule in the B1G next year. OSU has a comparatively easy schedule next year.
@@GregChief34 Michigan deserves the hardest schedule in football for the next 5 years with the way they have avoided playing meaningful games in recent years. Total clown college
Will be crazy big 10 will have strength of schedule
It was close because Ohio state has better players. You also, declined to play in 2020 when Day would have beat you by 80 and you were 2-5.
It doesnt help that harbough was caught lying in the same year already. His word on not knowing about it means nothing after that.
I think we all witnessed the high road with Ryan Day. His losing composure in South Bend said it all berating an 87 year old man yelling where's Lou Holtz revealed his true lack of respect for the game. Respect is the key word being humiliated 2 years in a row in Ann Arbor and Columbus and taking it off of the field in placing it in the hands of investigators showed his lack of respect even for his own players worried that they couldn't win on the field in Ann Arbor this year. Ryan day will be proven a fraud in Ann Arbor in the game his investigation will have backfired and will have brought about his demise in the sport.
Quit huffing paint.
Not huffing paint, their drinking Cool-Ade made with Flint water.@@docrob2236
Someone within Michigan leaked the information
A little big-headed? His rant after ND was about you (MI), not the disrespect of Lou Holtz in the prior week? Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Instead of blaming Ryan Day for the investigation, you should be blaming the MI head coach and coaching staff. Ryan Day wasn't spying for MI and this investigation will not bring about his demise in this sport. This investigation will much more likely cause a demise to the MI university. Why wouldn't other coaches in the Big 10, want to stop MI from gaining an unfair advantage? It's definitely not for lack of respect of their own players. That is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Worry about your own fucking team, not the messenger, who is the Big 10, not OSU.
Whichever team plays the best tomorrow, will most likely win. Whoever scores more points, will definitely win. Whoever loses doesn't become a fraud but they will be devastated. I will look forward to the game being played on equal footing this year, though.
It’s so good to hear some honest critique on the other side. Thank you for doing your job and asking these kind of questions and saying common sense things. It doesn’t add up and it definitely looks like a witch hunt against a guy, some people hate. I think we should open up all the programs of all those who are doing things much worse than sign stealing which most everyone does. Oh but the way Michigan allegedly did it was the wrong way to do it and if you get together with others it’s all right.
Jim Harbaugh has always shown disrespect for Ryan Day. His comments about being "born on third base," "hard to beat the cheaters," unsubstantiated allegations, etc., directed at Day took the rivalry into the mud. The Game has become vulgar because of him. He is a disgrace and has lost control of his program, hiring men of little or no character - cheaters, a pedophile, and a coordinator accused of computer crimes. Many coaches have been banished for far less; only his position at UM has given him protection. Lack of Institutional Control is evident. A lack of dignity and the sullying of The Game will be his legacy.
I search Michigan news and I get a first result
Rich, google recruiting rankings. That’s why those games were close. Signs helped you overcome lackluster recruiting in 4quarters
If there was no advantage, why take the chance? They never answer that question.
I believe TTUN would have won the first one. The second I believe OSU would have won. I don’t believe it was a “knew every play” but I think it effected 5-10 plays. From there we just don’t know. That’s my opinion! I also think it took Stallion time to figure out which play calls we were using. So I think those five to 10 plays were all in the second half.
Nahh did u miss osu changed plays???
This is a massive game, no question. Undefeated teams, and no shortage of storylines.
With that said, 2006 may never be topped in this series. 1 v. 2, loser eliminated from the national championship game, and there was the small matter of a Heisman Trophy looming over proceedings. That was the Big 10 Championship Game before there was a Big 10 Championship Game.
No one on the planet is calling this year's iteration the Game of the Century.
came here to say exactly this. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that there was a strong push for a rematch in the national title game.
Michigan has tainted this rivalry. Rich and other Michigan men are part of the problem. Had they demanded transparency, instead of defending the cheating, I could respect them. Now it's just hate. Hate for what they did to the kids and coaches at other schools. Hate for what they did to their own players.
You think the hate just started? These schools have hated each other's guts for over a century
Well said!!
100%
I like Rich, but damn is he a homer for Michigan 😂
He’s an alumni my guy
He's strawman-ing the hell out of his argument
So if sign stealing is of no value, why did they go through all the trouble of breaking the rules?
I would quite literally give up a kidney for a victory this year.
@Rich Eisen, You forgot that Ohio changed their signals last year. So it was definitely a nonfactor.
Everything your saying is absolutely right! GO BLUE AND F**K OSU😊
Rich, your argument can be essentially boiled down to "If card counting works so well, how come I lost some hands? I mean, sure I won millions of dollars from the casio, but how come I didn't win every single hand?!" That's either dumb or disingenuous.
Go blue! 💙
“If we had your plays then how come you were still able to have some success against us in the games that we still won by 2 scores” lmao cmon rich.
Great question Brad. You must have grown up in Flint. I think you drank lead fortified water in your Cool-Ade.
@@frankmeyers7304 lol I am mocking Rich. I am from Ohio and an Ohio State grad.
Everybody saying this is the biggest game ever. Can you imagine them playing against each other in a playoff game or dare I say the national championship?