PICADO on a 6,000€+ vs a 500€ Guitar - Is it really worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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In a recent video, I compared this 6,000€+ guitar with the other 500€ one, and got a lot of mixed comments mentioning that the cheaper one sounded better. I felt bad for the Conde..
So let's make another one! This time comparing and demonstrating the difference in playing PICADOS on an Expensive guitar vs a cheaper one. Hopefully the difference can be more clear here. Can you hear it?
The cheaper guitar gave me a hard time to record with due to its smaller measurements in general.
I also have to clarify, to make the test more fair both guitars have the same action, around 2.5mm on the 12th fret.
What do you think of the result? Does this video finally justify the extra 5,500€? Or should I make yet another one? What would you like me to do?
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CONDE HERMANOS 2000 (Blanca) - Expensive Guitar
JOSE LUIS POSTIGO 2016 (Blanca) - Cheaper Guitar
Recorded with: SOLERA FLAMENCA STRINGS
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Come on, Luciano! You can make anything sound amazing!
Right back at you Maestro! Thank you always for your kind words and for hanging out here on my channel, I appreciate that a lot!
Sweeeeeet!!! Grisha speaks!!!!!
@@LadyCroMag I yeeted my phone when I read his comment
True. This only proves that is not the guitar that matters... is the one playing it
Hola profe dan clases o tiene tutorial sobre picados????
The expensive one clearly has way more defined notes and overall better tonal balance, the cheaper one has a nasal mid-range and less defined notes, great comparison!
absolutely.
For sure. Some of it might also be because it looks like the cheaper guitar has older strings on it.
Could you tell that on a blind test? I bet you would not. So, why even try to explain it with subjective nonsense such as: better, less defined...
@@PASHKULI Shut up troll!😆
@@PASHKULI i could absolutely tell. That said, the 5.5k difference is not worth it. Esspecially because you can close the gap with a good 1-1.5k dollar guitar
En Argentina solemos decir: "No es la flecha, es el indio". Maravilloso Luciano!
Esa misma expresión se usa en España.
As I would expect, in a talented hand both sound very good, higher priced a tiny bit better, a 500€ guitar I would expect to have very good qualities, if you compare the 500€ with a 100€ to 200€ one there will be a noticeable drop off in sound quality and those would not be in the same world as the high priced one. Excellent demo, thank you very much 👏👌✌️
I am also guessing that the more expensive one will sound great every time for years and years, while the cheaper one will deteriorate and not always deliver the same sound characteristics
@@alexaraya2018, as the wood ages on both they will both tend to have better sound, of course the higher quality/$ instrument will always sound better in the relative sense.
La guitarra “barata” sería de dioses en mi país... en cuanto a la guitarra cara, estaríamos a años luz de ver algo así; aún así, en este tipo de videos no es el instrumento, es el artista quien da vida a tan increíble música, ¡Saludos de pie desde México!
@Nothingness si... mucha razón para nosotros sería gama altísima, tengo una española de 1953, torcida y deforme, pero no por los años, así la hicieron, quizá un aprendiz o alguien que se quiso sentir luthier por un día, me gusta mucho, cada que la veo pienso “horroroza pero hermosa” saludos
En Paracho Michoacán se hacen instrumetos de igual calidad. Solo que no es conocida por ser flamenca en estilo. Sruce tops casi no se usa en la musica latina. Cedro y palo santo es mas comun.
no te creas…México tiene buenos gutarreros
Listening with headphones I think the cheaper one has a fuller sound with more mids. But the player is the one that can say which one sounds better. Playing a guitar and just listening to it are two different experiences, it’s not just sound it’s how it makes you feel and play. By the way, I congratulate you for your exceptional playing!
Thank you Ricard! I agree with what you said, playing and listening are completely different experiences with the instrument.
In this case Conde is so much more comfortable and gives me more inspiration in the moment to play better.
Cheers!
Conclusión: Hecha más horas a la guitarra, que sea más barata o más cara, si eres bueno tocando la guitarra, te va a sonar a gloria!
This reminds me of something from my past. Many years ago I had a privilege to spend some time with Paco de Lucia, and once, when we were sitting backstage, after one of his concerts, a guy came inside to show him a couple of guitars built by a local luthier. They were pretty cheap, but when Paco started playing on them they sounded like million dollars guitars.
When I first got my Hermanos Conde my reaction after tuning it was "ooooohh.. so this is what a flamenco guitar should sound like..". Previously I had an Alhambra Negra, fine guitar for a 20 year old but there's no comparison really.
But the most important difference (in my opinion) was by far how easy it is to play on a very good guitar compared to cheaper stuff.
I prefer the cheaper one for 2 reasons , the first reason is that you made it sound wonderful with such amazing performance , the second reason is that I have a bad temper and I often break my guitar when I can't play as good as you do , so I minimise my losses by having a cheap guitar ..lol , you are the best Luciano , how can I donate to your channel ?
The expensive one has very warm and Rich tone and it has lot of resonance maybe because of all Solid wood body but I can't tell the other one is cheap it's Sounded amazing tastful guitar 😍also you playing is amazing 😍
Thank you Ali!
Findings: I do not need an expensive guitar to perform an amazing picado. I just need Luciano's hands :)
La sensación que produce normalmente una guitarra de alta calidad a la hora de tocarla, la comodidad y como resuenan los harmonics inspiran al guitarrista y lo hace todo más fluido y fácil.
Cuando la guitarra no es buena muchas veces hay que hacer un esfuerzo extra para llegar a un resultado similar y aún así no llega.
No todo es el sonido que llega y percibe el oyente, para el músico oír las notas con claridad y estar envuelto en los harmonics y las vibraciones del instrumento es un extasis incomparable.
Por algo los grandes músicos siempre han tenido grandes instrumentos, y todos los guitarristas flamencos y en general músicos, tienen buenos instrumentos.
Of course, the expensive guitar sounds way better! There's no doubt about it. And for sure it's easier to play that fast, BUT you're a true master aswell. Such a clear und strong picado. I'm really impressed of your speed. Vicente Amigo and Paco de Lucia have their followers. Keep it up! 👏👏👏
Luciano, consiguieras todo lo que quieras con la guitarra. Lo que haces ya es cosa de genios. Sigue alegrandanos la vida.Un abrazo.
Gracias Antonio!
I can't say which one is better but one thing is certain that you are of the best guitarists I've ever come across on RUclips. Thank you for all your quality contents!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
In a recent video, I compared this 6,000€+ guitar with the other 500€ one, and got a lot of mixed comments mentioning that the cheaper one sounded better. I felt bad for the Conde..
So let's make another one! This time comparing and demonstrating the difference in playing PICADOS on an Expensive guitar vs a cheaper one. Hopefully the difference can be more clear here. Can you hear it?
The cheaper guitar gave me a hard time to record with due to its smaller measurements in general.
I also have to clarify, to make the test more fair both guitars have the same action, around 2.5mm on the 12th fret.
What do you think of the result? Does this video finally justify the extra 5,500€? Or should I make yet another one? What would you like me to do?
Luciano, you could make a cigar box guitar sound good. However I agree that the expensive guitar sounds much better but there are nice sounding guitars in the $500 range I think.
My own first guitar is a Yamaha CG182 SF, made from good woods and it has a very nice sound.
@@mikemccann thanks Mike! Mine was a Yamaha too, I forgot the model but it had SF at the end of it. I think it was 175 or something like that.
Cheers!
I've got a cg171sf that makes for a really playable travel guitar. the thing can take a beating. the next time I'm in a bar fight, I'm going to pull out my guitar like it's a baseball bat, jump on the pool table, and shriek at the top of my lungs
_puts sepultura on the jukebox..._
The cheap one sounds like if I were to play something (with more skill) and the Conde sounds like something id hear from the studo
Thats because I dont have any expensive guitar though :D
Forget about the guitars.. You are playing so fantastic...
Thank you Kamil!
Awesome picado* with clarity Luciano. . 👌👏Warm cheers.. 😘
Si me pones las dos guitarras en una prueba a ciegas por aquí por RUclips, no sé cual cogería.
Puede que tocándolas en persona notara la diferencia.
Lo que se demuestra con esto es que un gran guitarrista hace sonar bien cualquier guitarra. O por lo menos, hace sonar estas dos del vídeo maravillosamente.
Simplemente y sin más palabras...que pasada tío.. 🤔 SI SEÑOR..👏👏👏
You made both of them sound awesome, superb playing
I've been playing for 40 years and I've listened to this several times, through tv soundbar and through headphones and, each time, I prefer the sound of the cheaper guitar. It seems brighter and more articulate to me but each to their own eh. I appreciate your comments about it being more resonant and easier to play though and I'm sure it's a fine instrument.
great video. I love the editing. expensive one is better here in my opinion and a clear difference can be heard
Thank you for pointing out the editing too Jackson. I’m glad you hear the difference well!
I get your important and very valid point Luciano. Inexpensive guitars are made so well these days that they are nearly as good as expensive ones. The only problem with this video is your playing is so great I got distracted comparing the respective tone of each instrument.
Great as always. Anything you do with the guitar is a great lesson for me.
About the vid, some people don't realize that we don't have to think: "the expensive guitar doesn't sound 11 times better than the cheap one". Definitely the Hnos Conde sound a lot of better, and it cost so much because of the time, materials and experience needed to build it. It doesn't have to be proportional to how many times it sound better that the other. One is made by hand and the other one by machine.
Great comment.
cool, id like too see comparison of the 500 and 1000 worth guitars ;)
these videos are a great resource for the community. having been convinced of the superiority of the negra from your own videos, I wouldn't mind seeing a cheap negra vs the devoe : )
also, I owe you a thank you. a little before the pandemic began, I came across your solera flamenco performances and was so impressed by them that I went online looking for a flamenco guitar (as Id lost mine to a pawn shop a year earlier and wasn't playing at all anymore), and what do I find? my own guitar for sale!
I bought it, and have fallen back in love with the guitar these past 2+ years (and gotten a lot better, too.)
so thank you : )
Oh wow cute story! Haha
I hope you didn’t pay more than what you sold it for! Very happy to hear that.
It’s a great idea to do another comparison for the negras, I need to shop for one in this case.
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn Cordoba has sent gk negras to more than one RUclipsr (without your chops or audio quality) and seem to be looking for the engagement on here. they'd probably have some sort of idea if you felt like reaching out, but then again, I'll bet a lot of builders would, too. hopefully the ones that pay, haha.
Saying this as a fan of blancas, they are worse in terms of overall tonal quality, more unbalanced trebles/basses (trebles are way overpronounced), the basses die very quickly (strings lose their new sound within a few days if you're unlucky/playing a lot), etc.
But there's still a certain character I like about blancas, even cheap ones. Doing rasgueos with new strings on a blanca feels unreal.
Also the fact that a lot of the classic flamenco repertoire has been recorded on blancas, brings back a certain sound, even if it's worse. Doesn't mean you should love blancas, nor is it right not to admit the evenness and balance of the negra. Just that you might get closer to a f.e. early Paco (60's) sound if you play on a good blanca. Personally I love that sound, but for modern stuff it's negras all the way
Olvidé que era una prueba de comparacion. Maestrazo!!
Can you show us how you sharpen/file/shape your nails for such fluid playing? Thank you. Superb playing sir.
Hi Luciano...
I prefer the expensive sound....
But let's me tell you a very important thing....
...in italian language...
"Sei talmente bravo che puoi suonare qualsiasi cosa....anche una scopa"
Congrats a lot.. great job.
Benedetto from Naples Italy
Hahaha next video will be with a broom 🧹
Excellent comparison video.
What is your view on "Andalusian Guitars" represented on YT by Ruben Diaz?
Greetings from Antwerp, Belgium
This deserve millions of views man GOOD JOB !
Thank you! It all depends on the RUclips gods. (Algorithm)
it's so amazing how you kept on going with the piece at the end of the video!
Thank you Keyn!
Que excelente video. Un gran ejercicio de comparación. La Conde llena las notas, está claro. "Menos" esfuerzo físico para el guitarrista, con ese volumen extra. Pero la demostración de las diferencias entre uno y otro instrumento es genial. Y el ejemplo musical utilizado es insuperable. Fantástico.
Now the expensive wins the battle! 😄😄😄 Please Luciano we want the full ENTROS DOS AGUAS !😍🔥
Hahim thinking about it ok.
Thanks for watching.
Great comparison, perhaps the difference between solid timbers vs laminated, among construction techniques also.
Hello Together, does anybody know the Name of the 500€ Guitar Modell ? thank you
Such a great video!!! Thank you so much! And yes, I hear the difference, but 5500 Euros different??? Not so sure! The Conde has better trebles and richer tone, but listening to you play the cheap guitar, it still sounds very good to me. Of course, as the saying goes: it's the wizard, not the wand.
Cheers!
Thank you Kawi! I know 5,500€ is a lot to make up for, I guess it’ll all be about how you feel when you play the guitar and also priorities.
Cheers!
Amazing!!!!! How to have someone like you as my teacher?
From what I've heard here and there, the difference between expensive and cheap is of course in the sound, but a more expensive guitar is even characterized by good action, intonation and fret cleanliness particularly in the higher registers.
O melhor de todos até hoje. Assim podemos aprender.. pq repete. Obrigada ❤
Wow you’re great!! You need to release an album on iTunes
The strings also make a significant difference to tone. The cheaper guitar strings seem to have more pronounced fret marks and have they been repositioned slightly as the marks don’t seem to line up with the frets ? Great playing though. And 500€ is not exactly a cheap guitar! And 6,000€ seems outrageous to me.
Ouooh! The sweet rich Conde
Yes this video justifies the Conde but surely want another video 😉
Haha Alright let’s see!
So much skill, fantastic playing!
La cara (creo que una Conde Hermanos) suena algo más brillante y menos nasal en las cuerdas medias. Pero cuando las manos son buenas las diferencias disminuyen
Mine is a 1000€ Prudencio Savez and the sound is as bright as this expensive one. But it really dépends on the strings. I love the Tomatito one !
A great showdown! The cheaper guitar did very well, I thought, a very useful instrument, but the tone was a little bit muffled and boxy compared to the fancy one, which seemed to have more aire and richer harmonics.
Agreed.
Supongo que el maestro quiere mostrar lo que casi todos oimos. Que la guitarra cara tiene mejor sonido. Pero no proporcional a la abismal diferencia de precio. Al menos eso entiendo yo.
Si, igualmente digamos que a partir de 1000 euros puedes conseguir guitarras muy buenas, no hace falta gastarse 6000. Por 2000 puedes encontrar asientos maravillas.
Tal vez por 500 tengas guitarra para algunos años, pero el músico también evolucióna de la mano de buenos instrumentos.
You play so beautiful so it's sounds very nice on both. The expensive guitar sounds mor clear and balanced. From the other side the cheaper one has a nice brighter and crunchy sound.
Awesome Luciano! Hard to tell when you play like that . Fantastic…
Thank you!
WOW Luciano... it cached my attention when you made such a beautiful change in "4:55"..... if only PACO DE LUCIA was living he would have kidnapped you 🤣... well-done and please keep doing the beautiful change because this melody is being played by thousand guitarists without change... well-done again
Fingerboard woods are different ... Ebony fretboard is make clear and high mid. sound. Rosewood one is bass sound ... Your tecniques amazing 👍 Good comparison video
I really like your work very much and what is the song at 0:40 ?
Luciano...I literally could listen to you play for hours. In your hands, the less expensive guitar sounds exemplary, even against the quality of the Conde. I find it difficult to discern the "better" sounding guitar, and I attribute that to the skill of the player...you. I do believe you could make a cigar box sound as good as a Conde. You are performing a valuable public service with your instructional videos and I thank you for it.
Haha thank you Mokes! Playing with a Cigar box will be a challenge! 😆
I’m glad to know you enjoyed the video.
Cheers!
Every piece you play on EACH guitar sound great, with the expensive guitar sounding better. One noticeable effect is that Entre Dos Aguas sounds great on BOTH guitars. (Not my favorite piece of music; just that it sounds excellently on both guitars.)
The more expensive guitar has a better sound definition. But, like for an electric guitar, the most important is... the guitarist! And you play very well! 🎼🎸
Thanks for sharing, such a great comparison! When it comes down to sound, yeah the more expensive one has a warmer tone. The other still sounds good. But what sound doesn't tell:
Which one plays nicer? Go with that one.
Great comparison. The craftsmanship and beauty should always be respected. However you do not need an expensive guitar to enjoy or play music. Music is played and shared in all walks of life and it can be enjoyed no matter what your paycheck is.
Hola Luciano, the expensive guitar sounds obviously much better, but in my opinion the most important fact is the better playing confort of the Conde. I agree with you according to my own experience as I possess 2 Flamenco guitars, a cheap one Mundo Flamenco 3F (2013) corresponding to the Cordoba F7 made in China and an expensive one i.e. a handcrafted Soleá Especial 2020 Francisco Bros. made in Spain. My expensive guitar is much easier to play although the string action is roughly the same and its sound is really cristal clear whereas the sound of the cheaper guitar is unbalanced, the trebles are always sounding flat. It's exactly the same as in your video. Have a nice day, cheers!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Cheers!
Night and day difference in sound, honest did not expect it to be so huge, but it still sounds like you get the sufficient "snappiness" from the cheap one which is more than fine for practice, the sound just comes out a little muted.
Very excellent video...
You are so good in playing the guitar.... You can make cheap guitar sound almost the same as expensive one!!!!
I think the difference in sound is not much... But the difference in price is very much
Even the cheaper guitar sounds MAJESTIC because of YOU dear
Haha Thank you!
Buenisimo eres un crack cuanto tiempo le dedicas a la guitarra a diario
Si acaso los bordones son mas limpios en la cara pero……,unas manos asi hacen diosas a ambas
Enhorabuena maestro!!!!!
Es lo que no puedo y admiro más del flamenco , el picado.
Hi Luciano can you tell me what was the 500 guitar brand and model please
Love the cheaper one. The Conde sounds too "thin" and shallow to my ears.
Secondo me , se c'è una differenza di prezzo così consistente , c'è anche una ragione valida e si sente.
I AM FOLLOWING THIS BEAST!!!!!
It's interesting that you say the cheaper guitar has a smaller body. Wouldn't this make a very real difference to the sound too? Even more so than the construction cost or the timber used?
The expensive one has a brighter tone. Is it 12 times better? Definitely different, assuming the same strings.
your technique is great my friend 👏👏
Thank you!
I agree with all points.
Of course, there are good guitars at affordable prices, but there are very few exceptions.
I just think it this way. If you spend 3-4 hours a day playing everyday, the expensive guitar will give you much enjoyment for evry note you play. You get more motivated, you appreciate the clarity of evry note. If you are serious about playing guitar after 20 years you would have been playing a guitar that lets you express the maximum a guitar can give you. 20 yearsX 365 days X 4 hours. Whatever the guitar costs it is worth for me. Imagine you buy a good guitar today for 5000 euros. In 20 years you would probably could sell it for at least 4000 euros. For 1000 euros you have been playing the best possible guitar 20 years.
Que marca es la de 500 quiero una jajaja fabulosa video
Both have good attack, the expensive one sounds more open, quicker, more esplosive, especially in the trebles and overall it has a deeper quality; the cheaper one is somewhat cloqued, especially in the mids and the high notes sound tonally flat and don't have a lot of color in close reach. It's quite a good flamenco guitar tho and would be a good, maybe even better choice in some situations.
Both are really different but I am not sure to preffer the expensive one. I like a lot the other. Less expansive an demonstrative but, in my sense, I can follow better the work of the player.
Se puede decir que constructores son?
I think the Conde has a livelier sound overall, and that suits my tastes better. However,
you play so well people tend to think both guitars are great!
Agreed! Thank you for your words!
Madre de Dios, saludos desde españa
si me regalaran una de las dos guitarras, me quedo con la conde, pero si tuviera que comprarla, compraría la postigo, es muy grande la diferencia de precio, y la postigo suena muy bien también, ambas guitarras me gustan!
The expensive has more nuances, but you make sound that cheap guitar awesome.
Luciano toca bien hasta con un soplaó antiguo de las casas de vecinos de esparto 👏👏👏👏
Jajaja gracias Jose!
the expensive guitar of course rocks 100% with your great talent.
Exelente exelente guitarrista !!¡ las guitarras ayudan pero sin tocas asi impresionante 😃👏👏👏
GRAZIE PER IL VIDEO
QUALE IL MODELO DEL MIC USATO EN QUZSTA VIDEO
La diferencia la hace el tocaor. Yo como principiante tocando una guitarra de 6000€ nunca haría sonar la guitarra así de bien, como lo hace Luciano. Las dos guitarras suenan bien me ha gustado.
I think both guitars sound well. The Conde has a little bit warmer sound.
4:18 nice B7 chord! Ain't (never... Lol) seen anybody play it like that up there! Lol
And YUP! he is using old strings and new strings to try and make his point just like I figured....
Prefiero la mas bajata ! ser pobre era mi distino, se nota hasta en mi gusto de guitarra.
Amazing playing as always, maestro
Thank you Grobert!
I bet if u were in the room it’s be super noticeable. Though you would probably appreciate the cheaper guitar a bit more than one might already. When I’m in the room with my teacher and hear his guitar I’m always so jealous, but my guitar sounds amazing still. His is just so unique and has a lot of character while mine is from a factory
A medida que el video avanza se nota mucho más cual es la guitarra de menor precio.
Tienen unas diferencias en los rangos bajos , medios bajos y medios ...
Aquí no alcanzamos a percibir que tanto proyectaría en un espacio cada una ...
Pero la verdad es que cualquiera de las dos en manos de un maestro como usted ambas suenan muy bien ...
Ya cada guitarrista calibra el puente a su gusto según su pulsación y fuerza ...
Bueno esto lo digo por qué yo construyo guitarras y muchas las he hecho a mi gusto ...
Gracias maestro es un gusto escucharte !!
Gracias Álvaro! Ojalá yo puedo construir mis guitarras a mi gusto! Jajaja
Un abrazo
I think your playing Luciano as always is impeccable and simply a joy to listen to with whichever guitar. However I have to say and it’s only my personal opinion, I have always considered Conde’s sound to be very dry, staccato with little depth. Great for picados I guess, bright and clear and of course I know Paco was famous for playing Condes. I mean who could argue with him, the king but in this comparison I still prefer the fuller sound of the cheaper guitar. Thank you for your videos though, they’re an education as well as pure flamenco pleasure! Maybe the reason for my comment is just to have the pleasure of listening to you do another comparison video. Best wishes. Paul
Thank you Paul! I do love the dryness of the Conde’s in general. But finding a decent one can be very hard especially these days.. The cheaper one is constructed more in the form of a Reyes (from what I’ve heard), so the result is very different.
I’ll be sure to consider making more of these if you guys are enjoying them!
Cheers
@@LucianoGhosn thanks Luciano for your reply. That’s very interesting as I do love the sound of Reyes guitars not least due to the genius of Vincento bringing them firmly into the lime light. Maybe that’s why I orientated more towards the cheaper of the two. Your videos are always so well received and any you have done or decide to do will be very much appreciated. 👍
Muy bien el uso hibrido del indice
Cool video...The Conde it´s better, but Not 5,500 euros better...But it´s better, the sound is clean, and more beautifiul...Is there diffence to play picado when you play in one guitar or another even when both have the same action?
Yes there’s a huge difference. The cheaper one here starts buzzing all over the place if I put too much force in it whereas the Conde responds to any force I give it. Thanks for watching.
@@LucianoGhosn Luciano, the cheaper guitar is all solid or lamineted?
There is a big difference for sure... Anyone who tries them would understand the difference better.. Except sound differences, cheaper one looks uncomfortable during playing.
My guitar is cheap and it sounds pretty much just like your cheao one although my strings aren't evenly placed so it makes it a bit difficult to play.
I've got a question regarding technical exercises. I do all of my exercises with a sponge in the strings. Do you think that's bad and what would you recommend?
I love the sponge.. Haha
I practice with it all the time. It might however trick you as it covers the sound of the mistakes a lot, so not recommended for beginners in general but once you have your technique settled, it should be fine.
@@LucianoGhosn Yeah I noticed it covers the mistakes a lot. But it makes me play a bit stronger and easier, I guess it warms up the muscles well.
In cheaper one it feels the notes are artificial and when play near the bridge with force in picado you hear some note like without tonic …
Great work