A few criticisms... The weights of the coins were in the acceptable range for their types. The coins themselves looked like they had very little wear (with the eagle's breast feathers visible, as you noted), so it makes sense they weighed close to 6.25 grams despite appearing circulated. If anything, they looked more soiled than worn. Also, not every planchet is perfect. Occasionally one will weigh slightly more. (It's practically impossible to make millions of coins and not have a little variation.) Since the diameters seemed very close to spec, the next thing would have been to measure the thickness with your calipers. Several times you told us these coins were too thick, but you didn't bother to use the tool you had right in front of you to verify. Also, it was frustrating to watch you do the scratch test and acid test, but you never tested the "fake" and the authentic coins side-by-side for a direct comparison. You tested the suspected fake ones first, then wiped the slate clean before doing the authentic ones. Without seeing them side-by-side, it's hard for the viewer to make a comparison. The suspected fakes didn't really look any different from the authentic coins, based on the poor quality of your video. Finally, you could have done other tests to verify authenticity, including a rare earth magnet slide test and a ping test. Fake coins will often pass one or two tests, but will fail on multiple tests. The only suspicious thing I noted was that one of the quarters was a key date 1932-S... so that one was suspect for that reason. But given how the tests were not strongly conclusive either way, I would have taken that coin to a local coin shop to get a second opinion. Otherwise, you might have sent back a $200-$300 coin as a fake when it might have been genuine.
mjanovec With all due respect you have a few good criticisms. However, you seem to have missed the point. Repeated acid test revealed absolutely NO silver content in these counterfeits. I’ve acid tested hundreds of pieces of silver over the years & if you had experience with acid testing you wouldn’t have any reservation about my conclusions either.
@@MrThedocholiday I will take your word that these coins failed the acid test, despite it not being obvious in the video footage. Again, a direct side-by-side comparison between the authentic and fake coins would have really helped illustrate the point and would have been more informative to the viewer. Just something to consider in future videos.
I know what you mean by the sound silver makes when dropped down. Having worked in retail I could always tell when I dropped silver into my till by it's sound. when ringing people up you don't have time to check dates on coins but when I heard it i would always move that coin to an empty slot and then have someone else sign on and give them money to switch out the silver. you also get to notice difference in older paper money. I have gotten 2 1935, 10 dollar bills and a 1934. they are slightly bigger than newer paper money. once we got a $5 federal note but I didn't have five on me and someone who knew one of the managers collect too told him before I could get back with the cash.. needless to say he got that one. for those who don't know federal notes are brownish in color on serial numbers and the stamp on the "Five" word.
your question even though silver is not magnetic, it still reacts to magnetic field, on a magnetic slides silver will pause and non silver alloy not steel will slide freely
There are tons of silver quarters on ebay. I have tested some of mine that I bought on ebay and they are over weight. Why haven't more people made videos addressing this issue? This video made me question every 90% coin I have purchased on ebay.
It's an eye opener for sure. I personally will never buy another coin on ebay. Almost all of my junk silver has been bought on ebay. I've bought some maples and some eagles on ebay as well.. I'm going to have to check those. 99% of my stack has come from reputable dealers and are in the form of eagles, maples, phils and kooks. I've never questioned my junk silver, but your video changed that. What's next, dimes?
Gold n Silver Who are you guys buying off? I've yet to encounter this at all. I do use the same 10 or so dealers on ebay. Obviously if something sounds to good to be true(cheaper than it should) it is 99 pct of time.
Team69 Racing I recommend practicing on junk pieces of silver if you have any laying around. You’ll want to get used to recognizing that rusty red color on the stone under the acid that only comes from testing sterling silver or genuine silver pieces. Sometimes light can reflect from the surface of the acid, making it look red & fool ya, so always remember to look for that rusty red color on the surface of the stone through the silver acid & you’ll get good at it quickly. Thanks for watching!
This video was created for the sole purpose of bringing common small denomination counterfeits to the attention of the public. I couldn't care less about larger counterfeits that have already been covered by others or the counterfeiting of highly collectible coins in slabs or otherwise, because those counterfeits don't affect the common man or the amateur collector. This video was created to warn the public of the common man's silver currency being counterfeited & no other reason. So if you leave links to other videos about other high-end counterfeits I will promptly delete them since they miss the main point of this video.
I just ordered 34 roosies from eBay and half of them were mint 1963 and your video got me wondering so I weighed them. A few of them weighed over 2.5 so I got concerned. I did the acid test and they passed whew.
Andrew Pfeiffer Very nice to hear that people are investing in small denominated silver coins. Glad to hear yours are all legit. I didn’t realized how many people think small denomination counterfeiting couldn’t possibly be real until I read some responses to my video. Honestly though, I didn’t believe it until I received these coins myself. In any case it’s hard to imagine anyone spending the time counterfeiting these coins, but when you think about the resale value of a silver quarter being about $5, you realize how counterfeiting them in mass quantities can quickly add up to major profits for criminals. Add to that people’s fear of acid testing numismatic silver coins & the potential profits for counterfeiting those go way up. My goal was not to over dramatize the issue or scare people but merely to raise awareness & expose the scumbags doing this who take advantage of other people. Thank for watching & not mentioning my poor camera skills. 🙃
The DXL analyzer sell for over twenty-one thousand dollars. I seriously doubt that a coin shop owner is going to be excited about cranking that puppy up up every time someone walks into his store with a buck and a quarter worth of junk coins.
Good video but I'm dizzy from trying to keep up with the camera. What did you polish the 1942 half with? You just about polished it away! The video is very helpful. I believe that I could spot the fake half but the quarters looked good. Thank you, Jerry
Mr. McGoo the half dollar was worn that way when I found it metal detecting. I simply shined it up for display. Sorry about the shaky camera work. You would probably have been able to spot the quarters also if you would have seen them in person. Thing is, most people don't suspect counterfeit quarters.
Wipe the acid test spot with a paper towel. You should see a deep red spot on the paper towel if it's real silver. Looking through dark acid onto a black stone is going to be difficult to see a red color. Also, you could have checked the thickness with the calipers.
Well I have to say that until your video, I never imagined that anyone would counterfeit a dumb 1958 quarter. But there you go. Others who have commented on a specific gravity test are correct, it's pretty easy to do, especially if you make some sort of "scaffold" to hold up the coins. If you (meaning you, Duster Dan) have the smarts to realize that there's no way a worn coin will EVER exceed mint specs, even if it's by 1/10th of a gram, then you'll do just fine making a SG test and interpreting the results. Esp if you have a known good coin on hand to compare. Good video!
Stuart Williams nope... For the simple reason that it could be anything. Finding genuine silver or gold is difficult enough, let alone figuring out what other alloys that do not have similar predictable properties are.
Excellent video. The first 3 quick inspections I do is 1: uneven wear on both sides 2: confirm non-magnetic and 3: neodymium magnet slide test. If these fail I confirm with weight test, no need for acid test
Stuart Williams absolutely... I've never once seen plating stand up to an acid test. It would be very difficult to get only the plating on the stone without any of the base metal. When you apply the acid the base metal dissolves, leaving no silver & no color in those areas on the stone where the base metal was before the acid dissolved it.
Great video. Another dead giveaway is that no seller in the right mind would sell you a genuine 1932 s quarter in that condition at the junk silver price. That coin alone in the condition it's in is worth hundreds, off course if it's genuine. Really enjoyed the video
Thank you! New sub here. I like listening to you. I found accupple of metal boxes while metal detecting. One box had very nice silverware and 4 nice watches, gold/diamonds, appears to be. The other has alot of Morgan Silver Dollars and some other coins like 14 Queen Victoria on the front and a rider on a horse slaying a dragon on the back are real gold coins and are dime sized. I've been metal detecting for over 30 years and love doing it and like you & other folks have found rings and some coins but never found Silver Dollars (or what LOOKS to be silver dollars). A very nice man Mr. Willis from Gold & Bullion company looked at an 1878 Mint CC coin and he & his team looked at it though not so great pics taken with my phone. He said it looked perfect maybe too perfect and gave it an MS 67 or could be higher if seen in person. I asked him what the ball park value might be & he said 5 figures. I had no idea what that ment as I've only found regular every day coins from time to time. I knew NOTHING about Morgans. After watching videos like yours I've been trying to learn from them & I really thank you for taking valuable time out of your day to educate us. I was wondering why the fake coins did not stick to the magnet. I've seen vids where they just really stick to the fake coins but I guess it depends on the metals used in the fakes. I'm just hopeing and praying the Morgans are real and could sell well. I'd love to be able to get out of my apt. and buy a house ect. but if they're not real it would be a big dissapoint but we just soldier on.😁 Something to help you to find neat stuff is you can buy for under $20. little booklets about your states & most all states in the US that give cool valuable info on the state, with lots of pictures about the past. I bought mine at the Concord Point lighthouse in Maryland here in Maryland. They had a few on my state & it's beautiful old town. I found a picture of a very old house from the early 1880's or earlier that had been torn down in the 1930's BUT some of the trees are still here. I matched up the trees to where the house was and metal detected for almost 6 hrs. At the base of a tree that would have been to the side of the home is where I found the two metal boxes. I think that they were burried to hide them from the British during the War of 1812 but who knows. Why would someone burry fake coins, IF they are fake? So again I'm hopeing they're real. Before I try to get to a pro to get them cked out cause that can be expensive I'll try to get a good magnet and will bring them to store in town the deals with old stuff and see what they say. Think that's a good plan? Regardless of the out come I'll still be metal detecting and I wish you all the best metal detecting too. Many blessings to you sir. Sorry this comment is so long.
GhostCity Shelton Actually, no, it’s not a good idea. With coins that potentially valuable you want to learn everything about those coins yourself. Don’t trust anyone who asks you if they’re for sale. Even if they don’t ask to buy them they could tell someone else who asks to buy them below market value or tries to steal them from you. Thieves are very stealthy & you won’t know they’re real or stolen before it’s too late. Do all the research yourself to determine their authenticity & value & don’t show them to anyone in person. Even a close friend could slip up & mention them to the wrong person & that’s all it could take for them to disappear. Hope that helps.
.1 is not significant. Being a machinist,I understand that no two products are alike and everything has a tolerance. Most coins are given a +/- .097 tolerance so if the weight is off only that much it is acceptable. Now .5 mm in diameter difference is unacceptable. eBay takes enough shit without getting it when it’s undeserved. I’m as skeptical as anyone but no one is faking quarters. There’s no money in it. There are so many factors that go into pressing coins it is impossible to hold a standard perfectly. That’s why there are tolerances-human error is always a factor.
I haven't any experience at all with video to give advice about yours. I think you did put effort into it. There is evidence you know how to test coins and I know more now. Thanks for trying the info is good for newbies like myself trying to learn.
Decoy 263 ...that was the point of the video, not producing a perfect Hollywood production. Thanks for watching, thanks for getting the point of the video & thanks for your encouragement! Blessings!
A key date coin being sold at junk price is a red flag. I would have like to heard a ping test in the video, and seen a magnetic test. The acid test should be a last resort since it is destructive and only tests the outer layer; A silver plated item will pass.
My Redbook is currently packed away so I cannot speak intelligibly regarding your "Key Date" comment, but I like your ping test suggestion. Also, the magnet... But I bought these coins at junk silver prices as junk silver. They are junk silver - not numismatic collectibles. Therefore, there was no concern about devaluing them with this kind of test. You can relax...
Can anyone give me any tips...I have a 1964 quarter that looks odd, feels odd, and even sounds odd. A water machine wouldn’t take it and I just need to know if it’s fake. Please and thank you.
i enjoyed your video. "But" (And you knew that was coming right?) the camera shake was very bad. most times i had to look away. i think if you invest in one of those "gorilla tripods". this would steady your shots and help with the focus. all that being said, thanks for sharing.
Christopher Alexander get yourself an acid test kit & start testing everything to think might be silver. It’s actually pretty easy & once you get good at it you’ll never worry about buying silver again.
Use a bing test so balance it on one finger and slightly strike it with a different coin if it makes that silver noise should be good than again idk if silver plated will do the same so yea it it makes that noise there’s silver inside it
breotan, I wouldn't know... I looked into it the last time someone asked that question. It's just easier to throw some acid on it to see... Also, for the numismatics I like investigating the other methods to confirm authenticity. You can't exactly do specific gravity tests in the field. I can't anyway... That's where I do most of my testing because that's where I scavenge for sterling silver.
I'm 11 minutes into the video... had to stop due to the shaking camera. BUT, coins can be slightly over weight and slightly under weight... IT'S NOT UNUSUAL. There is a range, with 6.25 being the target. Deciding they are fake because they are 1 or 2% over spec, is a wrong assumption.
Joe Knipp it would be exceptional... You are mistaken as a general rule. There are always exceptions to what I said, but they are exceptions. And in the context of wear & age of these coins the tolerance is in fact outside of the exceptions you mentioned. Stop being overly critical of others based on exceptions to their claims because you simply don't have all the information that they have, namely, the context of their claims. You have overlooked the context of my claims. You have much knowledge but you lack the wisdom of context. Understanding how context influences the truth is the key to wisdom & truth, not just the raw data that you sited. You did not have, hold, see, measure, acid test or weigh these coins in person & you lack that first hand knowledge to be so sure & critical. You may very well be right but your certainty, without more info, implies your ignorance. Sorry to be blunt but you simply weren't here, but you act as though you were because of my comments about coun tolerances.
I always wonder if the 1932 D quarter I bought on Ebay over 10 years ago is a counterfeit. It has the right feel and look and sound of a standard silver quarter but it was not authenticated by seller and was sold without even the advertisement of a D mint mark as if the seller didn't even know the value of that key date. It was an auction and right before the auction ended it went from a few dollars to my winning bid of $16. It's in exceptional shape like AU. I still have it but never got around to getting it authenticated because honestly I feel like it is too good to be true.
From my perspective, if the total value of a coin is in question, doesn’t it make sense to risk sacrificing a portion of that value to have it authenticated either by a coin expert or by scratching an small edge portion of the coin onto a stone & acid testing it?
A trained ear will hear the silver in it when you drop these coins or ring them with another coin. Also on the acid test, I might be wrong but I thought you should wipe the acid onto a towel to see the coloring in it. It's much easier to see the color. Also , the tolerance on those weights seem correct especially with a coin that is not really worn. Those coins look like they have very little wear to them. Thanks for video. I had to just listen to most of it because I my head was disturbed from the shaking.
I totally agree, but there’s no going back in time. This is what no one seems to understand. Critics of my video act like 1. I just have counterfeit silver coins laying around every day & can upload a new (better) video whenever I want to & 2. I can afford equipment to make a professional quality video, just so I can make the same points all over again, but not cause seizures in my viewers. 😉 Tripods aren’t expensive, but I no longer have a place to stage this video & people are gonna find reasons to criticize my work anyway, even if I had a tripod & the workspace to record, just probably not you. But thanks for the advice. I’m aware of the obvious now. I wasn’t when I originally recorded this vid.
@@MrThedocholiday A small tripod is around $20. Your viewer has a valid criticism and presented it to you in a thoughtful manner. The viewer was trying to help you.
Sellers on eBay are also passing off magnetic sterling jewelry as real. EBay then sticks up for them. I got 69.1 grams of magnetic jewelry. When I asked for a partial refund I was viciously verbally attacked with derogatory remarks. They want me to return the jewelry and I was going to until they made the remark of make sure you switch out the chains. A clue the return was going to be a problem. I am contacting the atty general's office and file against this seller and eBay for allowing these type of sellers to cheat people. People were abusing native American jewelry and now it is hard to list this jewelry without authentation. What would you do? Thank you
If I buy silver I buy it as close to market spot price as possible - jewelry included. That way when I test to make sure it's real I don't have to worry about the collector value of the piece, only the silver value. And if it's fake (Containing no silver), then I get my money back. I always treat people with respect so when they start being snotty (Like accusing you of switching the chains) I bring down the legal hammer on them. The laws regarding selling fake precious metals are quite clear & quite strong. You don't want to get caught selling fake precious metals in any form. So for me I test before I buy or sell anything, to make sure it's real & document the piece being tested before I ship it off to them. Hope that helps...
Lee you really have to love the metal itself! If you really have a thing for silver, you'll become so familiar with it that you'll learn to spot the fakes a mile away... Same thing with scumbag ebay sellers. It's always hard to get a refund after the fact because at the very least it costs you shipping & handling time & effort. Worst case is if you can't get a refund. So learning to spot fake PMs & scumbag sellers ahead of time is about your best recourse; but that requires time learning to spot them before you buy. Sorry to hear about your situation.
The weight test did nothing change my mind on the quarters. Easily oil and grease can account for the extra weight. What now interests my mind is the idea that the Federal Reserve has been polluting its own currency with composite metals. Think about it. They receive the metal ready for stamping. Easily some quarters could have been made with a contaminated production run.
blondeblue32 That’s okay, the silver test doesn’t lie. That’s the main point of my vid. Far as the federal reserve goes, you do realize that these quarters are supposed to be decades old & made of 90% silver don’t you? The US Mint phased out silver from their minting more than half a century ago. These quarters would have been busted long ago for not having any silver in them if they were the true age or that’s minted on them. Mainstream media would have had a cow about this decades ago if the reserve, or better yet the US Mint, would have done this as a mistake, not to mention the fact that these quarters would have been listed as extremely rare miss-strikes in the Red Book if what you’re implying is true. Perhaps you’re letting your mind run a little wild with conspiracy instead of realizing that criminals do these kinds of counterfeits often.
I like to use the magnet test instead of the acid one for coins I purchase on eBay. For the magnet test you hold the coin at a 45 degree angle and drop a neodymium magnet around 10 millimeters in diameter from the top of the coin. For a real silver coin the magnet slides slowly off the coin, so if the magnet sticks to the coin or falls quickly off it then it's a counterfeit.
Bobcat1438 Yes, I agree... and the magnet is also a good evidence of the presence of silver & the absence of ferrous metals & can be used before the acid test & in addition to, but when my goal is to know for certain that silver IS present, there is no better test than the acid test. And THAT is why most purchases silver in the first place... to possess tangible inherent value in coin form. Lots of tricks can be done with magnets, but if & when you need to purchase something with your JUNK silver, an acid test before the transaction is the surest way for the other person to know that what they are receiving from you for their goods or services IS genuine silver rather than some slight of hand with a magnet. Fair enough?
@@BrassJunkie Actually, there is a significant difference in magnetivity between a silver and a cupronickel (which is a silvery white color and used in quarters, 50p, 20 cent coins etc.) coin, but a normal fridge magnet is insufficient. For a strong magnet; like a neodymium one, you'll be able to notice that the magnet will slide significantly faster off a cupronickel coin than one made of silver.
Bobcat1438, cupronickel yes but that’s not what I said. I am referring specifically to copper. If you have a fake that is silver plated but has a copper core, the neodymium magnet test will produce results that are very similar to that of a genuine silver coin. Here is a video that shows a side by side diamagnetic comparison of a copper and a silver round. ruclips.net/video/v1YNrWgrbDM/видео.html
@@BrassJunkie Good point. In this case because copper is significantly lighter than silver you can detect the fraud if you use a caliper and compare your measurements to the diameter and the thickness that you've looked up online. Unfortunately though, you can't detect a gold-plated tungsten coin this way if it was crafted by clever counterfeiters because tungsten is virtually the same density as gold. For crooks, it's usually only worth the trouble to produce silver-plated fakes if the actual coin has a high numismatic value, but for gold it may be viable for coins that weigh as little as one gram.
Wheeler Really? I have to laugh cause so many have complained of near epileptic seizures as a result of my amateur camera work. Glad you could see past my flaws to the point of this video. Thanks for watching & commenting! Have a blessed day!
Great info man, but for the love of Christ... get a freakin tripod! If I didn't know better Michael Fox was holding the camera! I got motion sickness compressing the couch!
You did the acid test incorrectly. You left out the part where you wipe the acid off the stone and look for “the blood” (red spot) on the cloth you wiped it off with. Why did you just fly by the seat of your pants and eyeball it?
That walking liberty half looks strange.....like brushed. This is a counterfeit that I would identify quick I guess. But these quarters are dangerous. I would not spot them as counterfeits immediately.
That's exactly what I thought. The walking lib is real obvious but the quarters are very good counterfeits! Most guys don't think it's worth counterfeiting smaller denomination coins to sell at junk silver prices but if they realize these are counterfeited for sale by the hundreds or thousands, it soon becomes apparent how profitable a good counterfeit of small denominations can be. The scumbags who counterfeit currency often work very hard at being criminals & will do practically anything to avoid getting a real job that's respectable. Thanks for your comments!
@@ruger51995 they have ones that pass they make 90% fake Morgan’s but luckily a test exists that does work against these it’s looking up vams for the coin
I'm new to buying silver coins but don't have coin shop's in my town ,so have to buy from eBay.I understand your frustration cause I've bought a lot of fake coins by mistake myself.just be careful about your trusted seller cause I've got one and every now and then they still flip me some fakes.I always get my money back ,but have a load of these crap fakes,bugs me a bit
Coinhunter777 !!! Thanks friend! I care about the criticism, but not enough to ruin my day. One thing I like about RUclips is the ability for amateurs like myself to say important & helpful things... unlike polished media of Hollywood elites. If my critics need polished media, they can turn on the tv. I’ll keep trying to do better but being polished isn’t anything I need to be helpful to others. Thanks for watching & Merry Christmas!
Yes,they’re making fake silver quarters. I have one. The scary part is that they’re also making half dollars and other junk silver coins. The question is if they’re being mass produced.
Joshua Loves Science I’m not sure. If you took lead & nickel perhaps... but there aren’t a lot of metal as heavy as silver so that makes it difficult due to limited options & even few properties within those options. Just because you find another metal heavier than silver doesn’t mean you can necessarily marry it to a lighter metal that looks more like silver. Counterfeiting gold is even more difficult because gold is heavier than most if not all other metals. Lead or Mercury might be exceptions but there aren’t many.
I was going to mention that each coin will lose weight overtime some a little some alot. But then i noticed those coins you got the NUMBERS of the date are actually a thicker Font and not exactly the same so the date is not even the same look as the real thing and i got one in my hand to double check.
Wear occurs by the compression of the coin detail by being circulated. It's not so much being worn away. You are making these conclusions without consultation with any numismatic specialist.
John McMillan dude, I've made jewelry out of silver coins & collected coins for over 40 years. I wouldn't say it if it weren't so. Most experts are windbags anyway!
It’s been a long time since my purchase of these fakes, so I don’t remember who I bought from back then. That’s why I advocate for a silver acid test of everything except rare pieces that you don’t wish to ruin the value of with acid testing. There are other testing methods available for collectibles that you can research online, but I don’t buy collectibles per se, so I prefer acid testing, because it’s fool proof & you don’t need to trust the seller per se. You just acid test your purchases & hold sellers accountable. It’s that simple. And eBay as well as PayPal will require a full refund of your investment from the seller, because they don’t want to be enabling fraud or counterfeiting sellers, because that would be a federal offense on their part if they did so knowingly.
I really don't think those are counterfeited. I was watching a video with one of the designers from the US mint talking about the dish of the coin and how We no longer are able to make coins the way they used to because the knowledge has been lost. If the US mint has issues making Quaters of the same quality as the old ones I doubt anybody would put the work in to pull off for 3-5 bucks
I agree about the quarters. Fakes are almost never so close in weight to standard. The quarter that's overweight has a lot of crud on it. Silver plated copper or brass are typically 30% less in weight. Silver PLATED fakes will also pass the acid test. The liberty half may indeed be fake. The Chinese make EXCELLENT plated fakes, underweight, but they look terrific, usually close to uncirculated.
Yes… clearly. The various metals each have distinctly different ID signatures. Come to think of it, this would be an excellent niche for someone to design a handheld metal detector for pawn shops to purchase as a primary or secondary test of various precious metals in their profession.
mark holbrook I really don't know what kind of metal they used, but it's certainly NOT silver. Thanks for being considerate with your question/comment & thanks for watching.
I know the camera is shaky & this video is long, but this was an important video for me to get out & there's a lot of good info here for others to sink their teeth into... Thanks for watching in advance! (Duster)
Armando Martinez no worries... I've learned more from comparing items on eBay than anywhere else online. Now that utube is all the rage I do most of my research here because it's easier. But a lot of people still learn from buying & selling on eBay. Thanks for watching & for caring enough to comment. Have a great week!
First digit obviously represents grams is the second digit representing centigrams of which there is 100 centigrams in 1 gram or does it represent the milligrams which is 1,000 in one gram
Duster Dan, Your speech cadence was just right. Any slower and this 30 minute video could have become a 50 minute video. Good info and well presented. Probably not important but you could have used the calipers to measure the thickness of those coins. Thanks and Maranatha
DoIng some research will show that tolerances weights of the original planchets are around 1%. Hence even a worn quarter could be .0625 off in either direction. www.cointalk.com/threads/acceptable-weight-variance.93575/ It also is generally accepted a lot of loss of detail is not from silver wiping off of the coin (think about it), but is from the details being "compacted." While some very old and worn coins obviously have a loss of weight. A Walking Liberty has a tolerance of .125 either way. Thus 12.375 and 12.625 are legit weights Your quarters are also within weight tolerances. Here is a scientifically done test for finding losses of silver for silver coins: www.cointalk.com/threads/silver-loss-from-wear-on-90-silver-coins-calculation.144944/ The same can be said for diameters and thicknesses. So be careful using close measurement differences as a sign of a fake. Also, a cast coin is generally porous in nature. I won some fakes I deliberately bought from China years ago for an education. The porous nature of them is very evident with as much magnification as you show in this video. So I have to wonder if yours are cast or struck.
Lee Brewer not exactly... I've been studying coins & their specs now for 40 years. There are always exceptions to every rule but the things I said are true typically, not always without any exception whatsoever.
Your analysis here is not correct: having weighed hundreds of silver quarters I can assure you that very few weigh in at the theoretical 6.25 grams. Most will go 6.20 to 6.30, even for BU examples. Silver was 1.29 per ounce--this variance was insignificant. Also, please think about this for a minute: why would a faker go to the time and considerable expertise to fake such a low value item? That's why better date coins are faked all the time: CC dollars, 32D & 32S quarters, etc. I think you have fooled yourself here.
If you take a kleenex or paper towel and make a point out of a corner of it, and dip it into the acid on the block, you can then look at the kleenex and see which color the metal reacted. You would have only seen the outside layer's results the way you tested. Most silver plated flat wear would pass the test you did, but it would be a false positive. Specific gravity test would be more accurate method and no damage. I've had the oxidization of the coin give me a false negative testing with acid before as well.
damok9999 Nope, you’re simply wrong. I have tested dozens of plated pieces only to watch them fail. There simply isn’t enough silver plate to stand up to the acid when you scratch that deep into the stone. You can’t scratch test silver like a sissy...
You are scratch testing silver like a sissy. I have tested 1000s of pieces, never used a block. You cut into the metal with a exacto knife, drop your acid on a dental pick to reduce the amount and then touch it to the cut, using magnification to watch the reaction. Blocks are for sissyes. Acid testing coins is going half ass either way, scratch the piece or preserve it with a specific gravity test.
SonicIce have you looked to see if they minted a 40% silver quarter in 1990? Also, what makes you think it’s 40% besides just the luster? Identifying silver simply by luster requires decades of experience.
World Stacker Yes, I agree. I think the real problem is that I zoomed in too far & it amplified all of the movements in the video. I don’t have this problem with my other vids that pan out a ways. Next time I’ll pan out & only zoom in or bring objects up to camera lens for closeup details. Thanks for advice & for watching...
craig latour It’s obviously a numbers game. I ended up with 3 of them myself. So if they sell 3 of these to 1000 customers at $4 a pop & their cost is 25% of that, their profits are 9K. I’m certain there are countless criminal type artists out there who wouldn’t mind putting in a few days worth of metal casting & carving to make $9K.
@@MrThedocholiday they would fake cc Morgan’s make them out of 90% silver and sell them it means it passes all these tests plus they make like at least 100 dollars in profit per coin but the key to being immune to these fakes is vams fakes never have vams nor a good die quality
IT'S SO SIMPLE ! ANYTIME YOU GET COUNTERFEIT COINS OR PAPER MONEY FROM EBAY SELLERS, ***CALL THE FBI !!*** AND REPORT THEM ! YOU WILL SEE HOW FAST THESE SELLERS STOP THE BS !
Walter Kosciak Bottom line is that neither thickness, nor diameter, nor weight can tell you if there is silver in a coin so measurements of all kinds are only clues to tip you off to potential counterfeits. I made that clear in the video. Acid test is the only way among those tests mentioned that prove whether silver is present or not. That is why pawn shops & PM scrappers acid test before they buy any street circulated silver or gold products. Did you miss that fact?
@@MrThedocholiday well i returned two fake 1895 s MORGANS over .021 thousandths.They were high grade knockoffs.Diameter bingo.weight bingo.Heck you did a visual on thickness, but provided no numbers. The bottom line and key is thickness.Impossible to duplicate. Then again.use a 90% silver 10% copper planchet and your counterfeit parts are mint state perfect.Them it comes down to the tooling.The coining dies. Thanks for the show.appreciate.
I would defer to a metallurgist, but I was under the impression that "wear" on a coin - particularly made out of a soft-ish metal like silver or gold - is a "flattening" of the coin, rather than the metal being stripped off the coin. In other words, shouldn't a worn coin weight about the same as the published weight?
Concrete Etc. Everything Concrete Now that is the smartest comment yet. But honestly, what are the chances of getter four error coins in one purchase? Far more likely that someone would make counterfeits to rip people off with.
Ok can I get some help here I really new at coins but started collecting I live in New Mexico and not much places to buy coins at that I don't know if paying to much for a coin but I would love to buy coins if you could help me out and lead to to a place to buy thank you
Compare prices, shipping & condition of various coins you desire on ebay... Learn the values of the coins you desire first. Then go looking for them with cash in hand. As far as counterfeits go, you have to learn about the coins you're dealing with first before you can spot counterfeits. The RedBook of us coins tells you everything you need to know about the specs on the coins you're comparing. The only thing you'll need to learn about specs are the tolerances of genuine coins so you don't expect genuine coins to be perfect from the mint, because they're simply not perfect. Lastly, you need to learn the characteristics of the various kinds of metal the coins you're seeking are made of. Copper, silver, nickel, gold & other metals have various inherent properties that you need to familiarize yourself with if you expect to be able to spot genuine from counterfeit coins when you inspect them. Especially with silver or gold, these metals have very distinct properties that cannot be mimicked by others metals... For example, if the size is correct for a counterfeit silver or gold coin, the weight will be off. And if the weight for a counterfeit silver or gold coin is on, then the size will be off. If both of these for a counterfeit coin are on, then they may be magnetic or vulnerable to acid, unlike genuine coins. You simply have to learn your craft just like anything else & the only way to do that is to watch others & do your research. Become familiar with the things you desire, save your money for the real thing & go after it when you are educated. Be patient so you don't loose heart when you make mistakes... because you're gonna make mistakes. But ebay & youtube are the best places to learn your craft because there is no loss of information there, nor any limit to the challenges of false information or expertise. You get it all there & must learn before you can master your craft, journey or search. Does that help? If you don't learns your craft first you will get taken for a ride repeatedly.
There’s no silver present in these coins. Period! Zero. Zip. Nada. They did prove to all be fake. So arguing minutiae here about weights verses wear is a mute point. They were cast carelessly & both the weight & wear show it. And the reason why is the same reason why the us mint minted silver in the first place… namely, because no other coin-usable metal besides gold has the same physical mass/weight properties as silver does. Fact!
@@MrThedocholiday its NOT a mute point.. i see it repeated over and over when trying to sell constitutional silver, and the ‘facts’ seem to change depending on whether its the buyer or seller telling the story. These ones may have turned out to be fake, but to say just because a coins weight is off by a point alone does not make it fake. Fact! I have bags of real constitutional silver and you will find that almost no two coins weigh exactly the same, and the difference between one that looks worn and one that does not is so minute it could be the difference of just zeroing in the scale!
@@Blood_Sweat_Gears Although I have seen junk coins with the date, text and faces worn off, these coins are durable. I can't imagine a big loss of weight.
umm take a look at the paper towel you used the acid is supposed to melt silver and also the paper towel should have a red spot on the paper towel that's how you know its silver
Scratch a corner of each coin on a test stone & acid test them with silver test acid. Follow the instructions carefully for best results or simply look for ‘rust red’ color from the silver scratched on the stone once you apply the acid. If the silver doesn’t turn to rust red, there’s no silver content in the coins. It’s simple as that. You can test things that you know for a fact are sterling silver first to get a feel for the method & then move on to testing the coins after that. Always test items you know are sterling first to make sure your acid is good. This method is foolproof as long as your acid isn’t too old.
MétéoMan ruined is a relative term... If you watch the video you can see that there's a difference between scratching a silver coin on the stone compared to putting a drop of acid directly on the coin itself. I'm assuming you mean silver coins have been ruined by morons (probably pawn shops) putting a drop of acid directly on the coin itself? Because as you can clearly see in my video that there is no noticeable difference before I test them compared to after I test them. Also, you'll notice I don't advise even scratch testing any rare coins, unless you simply don't care & never intend to resell them. Every bit of valuable advice comes with an exception or two & we must all learn to take the general claims people make & keep the exceptions in mind as well. But that doesn't mean we make a big deal out of every exception every time for every claim ever made. We all need to learn the sense in which each claim is true & the sense in which each claim is untrue & not push claims past the authors intent & turn his truth into an occasion to argue the exceptions to his claims. Does that make sense?
For sure, putting a drop of acid on the coin is what came to mind. As I am a coin grader and conservator for a coin firm, I have seen it all including removing small amounts of silver for testing. That can also be a factor in rejecting a coin. Since there are so many tests one can perform, including knowledgeable inspection, acid is verboten in our shop. Thanks for your reply.
@@dontask8979 cc Morgan’s carry heavy premiums even in like f10 it’s a 100 dollar coin no matter the date of the cc if they take a fake and make it out of 90% try to pass it off as a au coin that’s like a 500+ dollar coin no matter what if it were a real example
I never would have thought that counterfeit quarters would be made. *@&^#%%@$. Glad I got mine decades ago. Good eyes and thinking about that 1932 quarter...you never see circ'ed ones in that condition. Do those coins ring when dropped? (suspect NO) I'll bet they are pewter. Pewter can be made with a lead-tin ratio that will give the same specific gravity as silver. Bet you could hit one of those coins with a propane torch and melt it really fast.
Ricky Grand Because silver quarters cost $5 each minimum in the market place. You don’t understand how capital business works. You take a profit of $4.50 & multiply it times a thousand or a million & viola! Suddenly a fake silver 25 cent piece is lucrative to produce. It’s a numbers game, not just a deception game. And yes, with the size of today’s global population, coins are produced in such volumes - even counterfeit coins. This is the real reason why our federal government stopped minting coins with silver in the first place... because it’s expensive, & they realized that much silver in the hands of citizens limits government’s ability to control cash flow & fund all their big government pet projects. Silver represents an exponential value compared to other forms of currency.
Sir, look at you paper money. Some serial numbers could be worth alot. Combos like 2233445566 or backwards 6655443322...or course those numbers aren't real, just for an expample. But if whatever the serial numbers are if they are doubled or single but one following the other or do it backwards they could be worth ALOT. A guy in my apartment building had a double stamped quarter and he wouldn't sell it to me, even though he knew nothing about coins.. He somehow put it in the soda machine at our apt. ! I wish I'd known that but oh well....
Never buy silver from EBay. Only buy from reputable online dealers. Apmex, Provident and many others ... You will save yourself a lot of money and hassle.
Perform Specific gravity (SG) test on alloy of Silver or Gold and compare this to known 90% or 40% silver US coins --> www.attilacoins.com/Calculate_Specific_Gravidity_coin.asp . No destructive testing or coin wear, as you mentioned, thickness and weight can vary depending on coin condition. However, if the counterfeiters used real melted 90% silver to cast the coin then the SG will be the same as a real one and the SG method can't tell.
I had to send them back to the ebay seller so he could try & get his money back also. He got scammed by an ex co-worker. The ebay seller I got them from seems legit & has been very professional. I could always post a link to my video exposing those smaller counterfeits here with your permission. The coins were really well made & hard to detect without acid testing them. Another viewer that watched my video noticed another issue with one of the quarters that I missed. Go getting this info out is paramount we can share our knowledge as a community! Let me know if I can do anything more to promote you guys also... Y'all are funny & you obviously care about others!
Woodworking and Epoxy Next time, yes... This video not recommended for epileptics or anyone prone to dizziness or vertigo. However, the information therein is too valuable to remove from RUclips just because Hollywood types expect perfect productions from amateurs like myself.
@@MrThedocholiday yeah I'm epileptic. Its sucks too because the only way I could watch it was by not looking at it which kinds defeats the purpose in a video like this. But good job on the information
Woodworking and Epoxy Yes, I agree. It does suck. And I’m sorry. Unfortunately, the information is still necessary since my video was the first of its kind regarding small denominated counterfeit silver coins at the time it was uploaded. If I ever get a chance to redo this video I will certainly polish it up, use a tripod & take the old video down so everyone can enjoy the new one without any issues.
Yeah... Those are wayyyy too nice to be junk silver prices.. those should be at LEAST two, three times that... Either that or you just got an amazing deal!!!
A few criticisms... The weights of the coins were in the acceptable range for their types. The coins themselves looked like they had very little wear (with the eagle's breast feathers visible, as you noted), so it makes sense they weighed close to 6.25 grams despite appearing circulated. If anything, they looked more soiled than worn. Also, not every planchet is perfect. Occasionally one will weigh slightly more. (It's practically impossible to make millions of coins and not have a little variation.) Since the diameters seemed very close to spec, the next thing would have been to measure the thickness with your calipers. Several times you told us these coins were too thick, but you didn't bother to use the tool you had right in front of you to verify. Also, it was frustrating to watch you do the scratch test and acid test, but you never tested the "fake" and the authentic coins side-by-side for a direct comparison. You tested the suspected fake ones first, then wiped the slate clean before doing the authentic ones. Without seeing them side-by-side, it's hard for the viewer to make a comparison. The suspected fakes didn't really look any different from the authentic coins, based on the poor quality of your video. Finally, you could have done other tests to verify authenticity, including a rare earth magnet slide test and a ping test. Fake coins will often pass one or two tests, but will fail on multiple tests. The only suspicious thing I noted was that one of the quarters was a key date 1932-S... so that one was suspect for that reason. But given how the tests were not strongly conclusive either way, I would have taken that coin to a local coin shop to get a second opinion. Otherwise, you might have sent back a $200-$300 coin as a fake when it might have been genuine.
mjanovec With all due respect you have a few good criticisms. However, you seem to have missed the point. Repeated acid test revealed absolutely NO silver content in these counterfeits. I’ve acid tested hundreds of pieces of silver over the years & if you had experience with acid testing you wouldn’t have any reservation about my conclusions either.
@@MrThedocholiday I will take your word that these coins failed the acid test, despite it not being obvious in the video footage. Again, a direct side-by-side comparison between the authentic and fake coins would have really helped illustrate the point and would have been more informative to the viewer. Just something to consider in future videos.
This is the Blair Witch Project producer making a video on coins
jacob Sorry, but you missed the point... Funny though.
@@MrThedocholiday The 'expert's' (they think they are) should make their own videos and spend alot less time making rude comments!
I know what you mean by the sound silver makes when dropped down. Having worked in retail I could always tell when I dropped silver into my till by it's sound. when ringing people up you don't have time to check dates on coins but when I heard it i would always move that coin to an empty slot and then have someone else sign on and give them money to switch out the silver. you also get to notice difference in older paper money. I have gotten 2 1935, 10 dollar bills and a 1934. they are slightly bigger than newer paper money. once we got a $5 federal note but I didn't have five on me and someone who knew one of the managers collect too told him before I could get back with the cash.. needless to say he got that one. for those who don't know federal notes are brownish in color on serial numbers and the stamp on the "Five" word.
your question even though silver is not magnetic, it still reacts to magnetic field, on a magnetic slides silver will pause and non silver alloy not steel will slide freely
There are tons of silver quarters on ebay. I have tested some of mine that I bought on ebay and they are over weight. Why haven't more people made videos addressing this issue? This video made me question every 90% coin I have purchased on ebay.
Gold n Silver This is why I thought it important to get the word out. Thanks for watching!
It's an eye opener for sure. I personally will never buy another coin on ebay. Almost all of my junk silver has been bought on ebay. I've bought some maples and some eagles on ebay as well.. I'm going to have to check those. 99% of my stack has come from reputable dealers and are in the form of eagles, maples, phils and kooks. I've never questioned my junk silver, but your video changed that. What's next, dimes?
Gold n Silver Who are you guys buying off? I've yet to encounter this at all. I do use the same 10 or so dealers on ebay. Obviously if something sounds to good to be true(cheaper than it should) it is 99 pct of time.
Bro it's the dirt & grease.. I haven't seen fake small change.. There fine ur going crazy dude!!
Team69 Racing so just because you haven’t seen fake small change means it doesn’t exist? You’re a real bright one.
Team69 Racing I recommend practicing on junk pieces of silver if you have any laying around. You’ll want to get used to recognizing that rusty red color on the stone under the acid that only comes from testing sterling silver or genuine silver pieces. Sometimes light can reflect from the surface of the acid, making it look red & fool ya, so always remember to look for that rusty red color on the surface of the stone through the silver acid & you’ll get good at it quickly. Thanks for watching!
Duster Dan why would anyone risk prison over such small denominations?! C’mon bruh!
@@WrvrUgoThrUR China bro.... China
No.. You can tell they are fake the thickness and the acid test results 100% chinese fakes
This video was created for the sole purpose of bringing common small denomination counterfeits to the attention of the public. I couldn't care less about larger counterfeits that have already been covered by others or the counterfeiting of highly collectible coins in slabs or otherwise, because those counterfeits don't affect the common man or the amateur collector. This video was created to warn the public of the common man's silver currency being counterfeited & no other reason. So if you leave links to other videos about other high-end counterfeits I will promptly delete them since they miss the main point of this video.
I just ordered 34 roosies from eBay and half of them were mint 1963 and your video got me wondering so I weighed them. A few of them weighed over 2.5 so I got concerned. I did the acid test and they passed whew.
Andrew Pfeiffer Very nice to hear that people are investing in small denominated silver coins. Glad to hear yours are all legit. I didn’t realized how many people think small denomination counterfeiting couldn’t possibly be real until I read some responses to my video. Honestly though, I didn’t believe it until I received these coins myself. In any case it’s hard to imagine anyone spending the time counterfeiting these coins, but when you think about the resale value of a silver quarter being about $5, you realize how counterfeiting them in mass quantities can quickly add up to major profits for criminals. Add to that people’s fear of acid testing numismatic silver coins & the potential profits for counterfeiting those go way up.
My goal was not to over dramatize the issue or scare people but merely to raise awareness & expose the scumbags doing this who take advantage of other people. Thank for watching & not mentioning my poor camera skills. 🙃
One word.... CHINA!
@@MrThedocholiday I wish I could find someone counterfeitting I'd kick the shit out of them
@@ruger51995 they're in china and our government could stop them only if someone told them
You could also take the coins to a coin dealer who has a Niton DXL precious metal analyzer to verify your claim.
The DXL analyzer sell for over twenty-one thousand dollars. I seriously doubt that a coin shop owner is going to be excited about cranking that puppy up up every time someone walks into his store with a buck and a quarter worth of junk coins.
Good video but I'm dizzy from trying to keep up with the camera. What did you polish the 1942 half with? You just about polished it away! The video is very helpful. I believe that I could spot the fake half but the quarters looked good. Thank you, Jerry
Mr. McGoo the half dollar was worn that way when I found it metal detecting. I simply shined it up for display. Sorry about the shaky camera work. You would probably have been able to spot the quarters also if you would have seen them in person. Thing is, most people don't suspect counterfeit quarters.
Wipe the acid test spot with a paper towel. You should see a deep red spot on the paper towel if it's real silver. Looking through dark acid onto a black stone is going to be difficult to see a red color. Also, you could have checked the thickness with the calipers.
gmc9753 you are correct in both cases.
Well I have to say that until your video, I never imagined that anyone would counterfeit a dumb 1958 quarter. But there you go. Others who have commented on a specific gravity test are correct, it's pretty easy to do, especially if you make some sort of "scaffold" to hold up the coins. If you (meaning you, Duster Dan) have the smarts to realize that there's no way a worn coin will EVER exceed mint specs, even if it's by 1/10th of a gram, then you'll do just fine making a SG test and interpreting the results. Esp if you have a known good coin on hand to compare. Good video!
pneumatic00 thanks...
Tough break Dan. Send those back! It gets me pissed off when I see thievery like that!
Did you ever find out what metal or alloy your counterfeit coins are made of?
Stuart Williams nope... For the simple reason that it could be anything. Finding genuine silver or gold is difficult enough, let alone figuring out what other alloys that do not have similar predictable properties are.
Excellent video. The first 3 quick inspections I do is 1: uneven wear on both sides 2: confirm non-magnetic and 3: neodymium magnet slide test. If these fail I confirm with weight test, no need for acid test
Does the acid-stone test distinguish between solid silver and silver plated? I imagine you'd get the same result with silver plated?
Stuart Williams absolutely... I've never once seen plating stand up to an acid test. It would be very difficult to get only the plating on the stone without any of the base metal. When you apply the acid the base metal dissolves, leaving no silver & no color in those areas on the stone where the base metal was before the acid dissolved it.
Great video. Another dead giveaway is that no seller in the right mind would sell you a genuine 1932 s quarter in that condition at the junk silver price. That coin alone in the condition it's in is worth hundreds, off course if it's genuine.
Really enjoyed the video
Nobody would fake a quarter, there's no money in it .
Thank you! New sub here. I like listening to you. I found accupple of metal boxes while metal detecting. One box had very nice silverware and 4 nice watches, gold/diamonds, appears to be.
The other has alot of Morgan Silver Dollars and some other coins like 14 Queen Victoria on the front and a rider on a horse slaying a dragon on the back are real gold coins and are dime sized.
I've been metal detecting for over 30 years and love doing it and like you & other folks have found rings and some coins but never found Silver Dollars (or what LOOKS to be silver dollars).
A very nice man Mr. Willis from Gold & Bullion company looked at an 1878 Mint CC coin and he & his team looked at it though not so great pics taken with my phone. He said it looked perfect maybe too perfect and gave it an MS 67 or could be higher if seen in person. I asked him what the ball park value might be & he said 5 figures. I had no idea what that ment as I've only found regular every day coins from time to time. I knew NOTHING about Morgans.
After watching videos like yours I've been trying to learn from them & I really thank you for taking valuable time out of your day to educate us.
I was wondering why the fake coins did not stick to the magnet. I've seen vids where they just really stick to the fake coins but I guess it depends on the metals used in the fakes.
I'm just hopeing and praying the Morgans are real and could sell well. I'd love to be able to get out of my apt. and buy a house ect. but if they're not real it would be a big dissapoint but we just soldier on.😁
Something to help you to find neat stuff is you can buy for under $20. little booklets about your states & most all states in the US that give cool valuable info on the state, with lots of pictures about the past. I bought mine at the Concord Point lighthouse in Maryland here in Maryland. They had a few on my state & it's beautiful old town. I found a picture of a very old house from the early 1880's or earlier that had been torn down in the 1930's BUT some of the trees are still here. I matched up the trees to where the house was and metal detected for almost 6 hrs. At the base of a tree that would have been to the side of the home is where I found the two metal boxes.
I think that they were burried to hide them from the British during the War of 1812 but who knows. Why would someone burry fake coins, IF they are fake? So again I'm hopeing they're real.
Before I try to get to a pro to get them cked out cause that can be expensive I'll try to get a good magnet and will bring them to store in town the deals with old stuff and see what they say. Think that's a good plan?
Regardless of the out come I'll still be metal detecting and I wish you all the best metal detecting too. Many blessings to you sir. Sorry this comment is so long.
GhostCity Shelton Actually, no, it’s not a good idea. With coins that potentially valuable you want to learn everything about those coins yourself. Don’t trust anyone who asks you if they’re for sale. Even if they don’t ask to buy them they could tell someone else who asks to buy them below market value or tries to steal them from you. Thieves are very stealthy & you won’t know they’re real or stolen before it’s too late. Do all the research yourself to determine their authenticity & value & don’t show them to anyone in person. Even a close friend could slip up & mention them to the wrong person & that’s all it could take for them to disappear. Hope that helps.
.1 is not significant. Being a machinist,I understand that no two products are alike and everything has a tolerance. Most coins are given a +/- .097 tolerance so if the weight is off only that much it is acceptable. Now .5 mm in diameter difference is unacceptable. eBay takes enough shit without getting it when it’s undeserved. I’m as skeptical as anyone but no one is faking quarters. There’s no money in it. There are so many factors that go into pressing coins it is impossible to hold a standard perfectly. That’s why there are tolerances-human error is always a factor.
The side edges to me looked wrong on the fakes. I am still stunned that fake silver quarters exist! Anyways, very cool video! Thanks for posting!
That tool is a vernier caliper named after the man that invented it.I use the Dial type but the digital version is cool.
I haven't any experience at all with video to give advice about yours. I think you did put effort into it. There is evidence you know how to test coins and I know more now. Thanks for trying the info is good for newbies like myself trying to learn.
Decoy 263 ...that was the point of the video, not producing a perfect Hollywood production. Thanks for watching, thanks for getting the point of the video & thanks for your encouragement! Blessings!
A key date coin being sold at junk price is a red flag. I would have like to heard a ping test in the video, and seen a magnetic test. The acid test should be a last resort since it is destructive and only tests the outer layer; A silver plated item will pass.
My Redbook is currently packed away so I cannot speak intelligibly regarding your "Key Date" comment, but I like your ping test suggestion. Also, the magnet... But I bought these coins at junk silver prices as junk silver. They are junk silver - not numismatic collectibles. Therefore, there was no concern about devaluing them with this kind of test. You can relax...
@@MrThedocholiday 1932-S & 1932-D are quarter key dates worth the most of the series.
Can anyone give me any tips...I have a 1964 quarter that looks odd, feels odd, and even sounds odd. A water machine wouldn’t take it and I just need to know if it’s fake. Please and thank you.
i work at a liquor store and i think i got some of these as well
@@joshuawiseman5629 Great answer. How true Maranatha
i enjoyed your video. "But" (And you knew that was coming right?) the camera shake was very bad. most times i had to look away. i think if you invest in one of those "gorilla tripods". this would steady your shots and help with the focus. all that being said, thanks for sharing.
Marty Hastings Fair enough...
I just recently bought my first rolls of silver quarters. I'm very nervous about them now.
Christopher Alexander get yourself an acid test kit & start testing everything to think might be silver. It’s actually pretty easy & once you get good at it you’ll never worry about buying silver again.
Use a bing test so balance it on one finger and slightly strike it with a different coin if it makes that silver noise should be good than again idk if silver plated will do the same so yea it it makes that noise there’s silver inside it
could you move your camera around more I just almost passed out
jeffrey's finds sorry, kinda new to this... thanks for watching
Wouldn't doing a specific gravity test be better to detect counterfeit coins?
breotan, I wouldn't know... I looked into it the last time someone asked that question. It's just easier to throw some acid on it to see... Also, for the numismatics I like investigating the other methods to confirm authenticity. You can't exactly do specific gravity tests in the field. I can't anyway... That's where I do most of my testing because that's where I scavenge for sterling silver.
I'm 11 minutes into the video... had to stop due to the shaking camera. BUT, coins can be slightly over weight and slightly under weight... IT'S NOT UNUSUAL. There is a range, with 6.25 being the target. Deciding they are fake because they are 1 or 2% over spec, is a wrong assumption.
Joe Knipp it would be exceptional... You are mistaken as a general rule. There are always exceptions to what I said, but they are exceptions. And in the context of wear & age of these coins the tolerance is in fact outside of the exceptions you mentioned. Stop being overly critical of others based on exceptions to their claims because you simply don't have all the information that they have, namely, the context of their claims. You have overlooked the context of my claims. You have much knowledge but you lack the wisdom of context. Understanding how context influences the truth is the key to wisdom & truth, not just the raw data that you sited. You did not have, hold, see, measure, acid test or weigh these coins in person & you lack that first hand knowledge to be so sure & critical. You may very well be right but your certainty, without more info, implies your ignorance. Sorry to be blunt but you simply weren't here, but you act as though you were because of my comments about coun tolerances.
Duster Dan u triggered bro?
Triggered ? Nah. Just letting you know a steady cam helps make a watchable product.
Joe Knipp who are you talking to?
Sorry... didn't look close enough. I thought Duster Dan was asking me if I was triggered. Ignore my previous post.
I always wonder if the 1932 D quarter I bought on Ebay over 10 years ago is a counterfeit. It has the right feel and look and sound of a standard silver quarter but it was not authenticated by seller and was sold without even the advertisement of a D mint mark as if the seller didn't even know the value of that key date. It was an auction and right before the auction ended it went from a few dollars to my winning bid of $16. It's in exceptional shape like AU. I still have it but never got around to getting it authenticated because honestly I feel like it is too good to be true.
From my perspective, if the total value of a coin is in question, doesn’t it make sense to risk sacrificing a portion of that value to have it authenticated either by a coin expert or by scratching an small edge portion of the coin onto a stone & acid testing it?
A trained ear will hear the silver in it when you drop these coins or ring them with another coin. Also on the acid test, I might be wrong but I thought you should wipe the acid onto a towel to see the coloring in it. It's much easier to see the color. Also , the tolerance on those weights seem correct especially with a coin that is not really worn. Those coins look like they have very little wear to them. Thanks for video. I had to just listen to most of it because I my head was disturbed from the shaking.
LOL
What would tipped me off is a key date 1932 s for junk silver price.
I never got that far. Good eye!
I noticed that also good eye friend.
Everybody hating on your video, though I don't see them, or many for that matter putting videos out about this. 🤔
Tea Bagson Yep... They don’t realize that I’m not Hollywood & not trying to be either. Thanks for watching & for the positive word.
Love your content but PLEASE buy a tri-pod. Nice job.
I totally agree, but there’s no going back in time. This is what no one seems to understand. Critics of my video act like 1. I just have counterfeit silver coins laying around every day & can upload a new (better) video whenever I want to & 2. I can afford equipment to make a professional quality video, just so I can make the same points all over again, but not cause seizures in my viewers. 😉
Tripods aren’t expensive, but I no longer have a place to stage this video & people are gonna find reasons to criticize my work anyway, even if I had a tripod & the workspace to record, just probably not you. But thanks for the advice. I’m aware of the obvious now. I wasn’t when I originally recorded this vid.
@@MrThedocholiday A small tripod is around $20. Your viewer has a valid criticism and presented it to you in a thoughtful manner. The viewer was trying to help you.
That is U.S currency. If its counterfeit send it to the secret service. I'm serious.
Sellers on eBay are also passing off magnetic sterling jewelry as real. EBay then sticks up for them. I got 69.1 grams of magnetic jewelry. When I asked for a partial refund I was viciously verbally attacked with derogatory remarks. They want me to return the jewelry and I was going to until they made the remark of make sure you switch out the chains. A clue the return was going to be a problem. I am contacting the atty general's office and file against this seller and eBay for allowing these type of sellers to cheat people. People were abusing native American jewelry and now it is hard to list this jewelry without authentation. What would you do?
Thank you
If I buy silver I buy it as close to market spot price as possible - jewelry included. That way when I test to make sure it's real I don't have to worry about the collector value of the piece, only the silver value. And if it's fake (Containing no silver), then I get my money back. I always treat people with respect so when they start being snotty (Like accusing you of switching the chains) I bring down the legal hammer on them. The laws regarding selling fake precious metals are quite clear & quite strong. You don't want to get caught selling fake precious metals in any form. So for me I test before I buy or sell anything, to make sure it's real & document the piece being tested before I ship it off to them. Hope that helps...
Lee you really have to love the metal itself! If you really have a thing for silver, you'll become so familiar with it that you'll learn to spot the fakes a mile away... Same thing with scumbag ebay sellers. It's always hard to get a refund after the fact because at the very least it costs you shipping & handling time & effort. Worst case is if you can't get a refund. So learning to spot fake PMs & scumbag sellers ahead of time is about your best recourse; but that requires time learning to spot them before you buy. Sorry to hear about your situation.
The weight test did nothing change my mind on the quarters. Easily oil and grease can account for the extra weight. What now interests my mind is the idea that the Federal Reserve has been polluting its own currency with composite metals. Think about it. They receive the metal ready for stamping. Easily some quarters could have been made with a contaminated production run.
blondeblue32 That’s okay, the silver test doesn’t lie. That’s the main point of my vid. Far as the federal reserve goes, you do realize that these quarters are supposed to be decades old & made of 90% silver don’t you? The US Mint phased out silver from their minting more than half a century ago. These quarters would have been busted long ago for not having any silver in them if they were the true age or that’s minted on them. Mainstream media would have had a cow about this decades ago if the reserve, or better yet the US Mint, would have done this as a mistake, not to mention the fact that these quarters would have been listed as extremely rare miss-strikes in the Red Book if what you’re implying is true. Perhaps you’re letting your mind run a little wild with conspiracy instead of realizing that criminals do these kinds of counterfeits often.
I like to use the magnet test instead of the acid one for coins I purchase on eBay. For the magnet test you hold the coin at a 45 degree angle and drop a neodymium magnet around 10 millimeters in diameter from the top of the coin. For a real silver coin the magnet slides slowly off the coin, so if the magnet sticks to the coin or falls quickly off it then it's a counterfeit.
Bobcat1438 Yes, I agree... and the magnet is also a good evidence of the presence of silver & the absence of ferrous metals & can be used before the acid test & in addition to, but when my goal is to know for certain that silver IS present, there is no better test than the acid test. And THAT is why most purchases silver in the first place... to possess tangible inherent value in coin form.
Lots of tricks can be done with magnets, but if & when you need to purchase something with your JUNK silver, an acid test before the transaction is the surest way for the other person to know that what they are receiving from you for their goods or services IS genuine silver rather than some slight of hand with a magnet. Fair enough?
The problem with that test is that copper will react to a magnet in exactly the same way as silver.
@@BrassJunkie Actually, there is a significant difference in magnetivity between a silver and a cupronickel (which is a silvery white color and used in quarters, 50p, 20 cent coins etc.) coin, but a normal fridge magnet is insufficient. For a strong magnet; like a neodymium one, you'll be able to notice that the magnet will slide significantly faster off a cupronickel coin than one made of silver.
Bobcat1438, cupronickel yes but that’s not what I said. I am referring specifically to copper. If you have a fake that is silver plated but has a copper core, the neodymium magnet test will produce results that are very similar to that of a genuine silver coin. Here is a video that shows a side by side diamagnetic comparison of a copper and a silver round. ruclips.net/video/v1YNrWgrbDM/видео.html
@@BrassJunkie Good point. In this case because copper is significantly lighter than silver you can detect the fraud if you use a caliper and compare your measurements to the diameter and the thickness that you've looked up online. Unfortunately though, you can't detect a gold-plated tungsten coin this way if it was crafted by clever counterfeiters because tungsten is virtually the same density as gold. For crooks, it's usually only worth the trouble to produce silver-plated fakes if the actual coin has a high numismatic value, but for gold it may be viable for coins that weigh as little as one gram.
Camera work was fine! Thanks for the info.
Wheeler Really? I have to laugh cause so many have complained of near epileptic seizures as a result of my amateur camera work. Glad you could see past my flaws to the point of this video. Thanks for watching & commenting! Have a blessed day!
Great info man, but for the love of Christ... get a freakin tripod! If I didn't know better Michael Fox was holding the camera! I got motion sickness compressing the couch!
Nobody made these coins but the mint, come on now, who would bother, they are real
ton321 you’re very naive... you’ve never acid tested silver before have you?
You did the acid test incorrectly. You left out the part where you wipe the acid off the stone and look for “the blood” (red spot) on the cloth you wiped it off with. Why did you just fly by the seat of your pants and eyeball it?
That walking liberty half looks strange.....like brushed. This is a counterfeit that I would identify quick I guess. But these quarters are dangerous. I would not spot them as counterfeits immediately.
That's exactly what I thought. The walking lib is real obvious but the quarters are very good counterfeits! Most guys don't think it's worth counterfeiting smaller denomination coins to sell at junk silver prices but if they realize these are counterfeited for sale by the hundreds or thousands, it soon becomes apparent how profitable a good counterfeit of small denominations can be. The scumbags who counterfeit currency often work very hard at being criminals & will do practically anything to avoid getting a real job that's respectable. Thanks for your comments!
plot twist:The acid is also counterfeit.
ButterBall very funny...
@@MrThedocholiday imagine the counterfeiters make a coin that passes somehow :(
@@ruger51995 they have ones that pass they make 90% fake Morgan’s but luckily a test exists that does work against these it’s looking up vams for the coin
Hahaha 😂🤣
Your a kind soul. Your just perfect. Thank you for the information.
make a magnetic coin slide if not silver coins will slide smoothly, if silver coins will drag or pause before continuing down.
Bob Scism I think you meant, that if the coins AREN'T silver, then they would pause or stick, and if they ARE silver then they would move freely.
I'm new to buying silver coins but don't have coin shop's in my town ,so have to buy from eBay.I understand your frustration cause I've bought a lot of fake coins by mistake myself.just be careful about your trusted seller cause I've got one and every now and then they still flip me some fakes.I always get my money back ,but have a load of these crap fakes,bugs me a bit
Awesome video! Don’t care about the people that say you need a tripod.
Coinhunter777 !!! Thanks friend! I care about the criticism, but not enough to ruin my day. One thing I like about RUclips is the ability for amateurs like myself to say important & helpful things... unlike polished media of Hollywood elites. If my critics need polished media, they can turn on the tv. I’ll keep trying to do better but being polished isn’t anything I need to be helpful to others. Thanks for watching & Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!🎄
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Hopefully Dan survived the earthquake that occured during this filming
Justin Tube Dang! Now that right there was funny! See gang, now that's how y'all should criticize peoples... Thanks for watching.
Yes,they’re making fake silver quarters. I have one. The scary part is that they’re also making half dollars and other junk silver coins. The question is if they’re being mass produced.
DRC I don’t know if they’re mass produced but I do know that the more they make the more profit they make.
Would it be possible to match silvers weight with an alloy of 2 or more metals? Just curious
Joshua Loves Science I’m not sure. If you took lead & nickel perhaps... but there aren’t a lot of metal as heavy as silver so that makes it difficult due to limited options & even few properties within those options. Just because you find another metal heavier than silver doesn’t mean you can necessarily marry it to a lighter metal that looks more like silver. Counterfeiting gold is even more difficult because gold is heavier than most if not all other metals. Lead or Mercury might be exceptions but there aren’t many.
I was going to mention that each coin will lose weight overtime some a little some alot. But then i noticed those coins you got the NUMBERS of the date are actually a thicker Font and not exactly the same so the date is not even the same look as the real thing and i got one in my hand to double check.
King Katura good eye... thanks for watching.
Thanks I’ll have to check mine from eBay ! I agree 100% with you do it right with integrity.
Wear occurs by the compression of the coin detail by being circulated. It's not so much being worn away. You are making these conclusions without consultation with any numismatic specialist.
John McMillan dude, I've made jewelry out of silver coins & collected coins for over 40 years. I wouldn't say it if it weren't so. Most experts are windbags anyway!
So, who did you buy the fake coins from? If we knew, we could avoid them.
It’s been a long time since my purchase of these fakes, so I don’t remember who I bought from back then. That’s why I advocate for a silver acid test of everything except rare pieces that you don’t wish to ruin the value of with acid testing. There are other testing methods available for collectibles that you can research online, but I don’t buy collectibles per se, so I prefer acid testing, because it’s fool proof & you don’t need to trust the seller per se. You just acid test your purchases & hold sellers accountable. It’s that simple. And eBay as well as PayPal will require a full refund of your investment from the seller, because they don’t want to be enabling fraud or counterfeiting sellers, because that would be a federal offense on their part if they did so knowingly.
I really don't think those are counterfeited. I was watching a video with one of the designers from the US mint talking about the dish of the coin and how We no longer are able to make coins the way they used to because the knowledge has been lost. If the US mint has issues making Quaters of the same quality as the old ones I doubt anybody would put the work in to pull off for 3-5 bucks
I agree about the quarters. Fakes are almost never so close in weight to standard. The quarter that's overweight has a lot of crud on it. Silver plated copper or brass are typically 30% less in weight. Silver PLATED fakes will also pass the acid test. The liberty half may indeed be fake. The Chinese make EXCELLENT plated fakes, underweight, but they look terrific, usually close to uncirculated.
Question for you, since you metal detect does your metal detector read the fakes as a different metal ?
Yes… clearly. The various metals each have distinctly different ID signatures. Come to think of it, this would be an excellent niche for someone to design a handheld metal detector for pawn shops to purchase as a primary or secondary test of various precious metals in their profession.
@@MrThedocholiday what type of metal detector do you have?
Great presentation.
Camerawork sucked though.
So what metal do they use? Sorry if you said during the video...
mark holbrook I really don't know what kind of metal they used, but it's certainly NOT silver. Thanks for being considerate with your question/comment & thanks for watching.
I"d be curious to see what VID number shows on my metal detector when passing coil over them...
mark holbrook Me too... Very good idea... Any decent metal detector will tell you whether they are silver or not. Why didn't I think of that?
I know the camera is shaky & this video is long, but this was an important video for me to get out & there's a lot of good info here for others to sink their teeth into... Thanks for watching in advance! (Duster)
dude when you scratched that so called bu quarter you ruined any potential numis value
Hopefully you turned them in. I just don't buy on ebay.
Armando Martinez that's fine for you, but other people do buy on eBay. And that is why I uploaded the video.
Your doing a great job. Thanks for the information. I don"t have the Knowledge to buy on ebay. I didn't mean to sound negative.
Armando Martinez no worries... I've learned more from comparing items on eBay than anywhere else online. Now that utube is all the rage I do most of my research here because it's easier. But a lot of people still learn from buying & selling on eBay. Thanks for watching & for caring enough to comment. Have a great week!
First digit obviously represents grams is the second digit representing centigrams of which there is 100 centigrams in 1 gram or does it represent the milligrams which is 1,000 in one gram
Duster Dan, Your speech cadence was just right. Any slower and this 30 minute video could have become a 50 minute video. Good info and well presented. Probably not important but you could have used the calipers to measure the thickness of those coins. Thanks and Maranatha
DoIng some research will show that tolerances weights of the original planchets are around 1%. Hence even a worn quarter could be .0625 off in either direction.
www.cointalk.com/threads/acceptable-weight-variance.93575/
It also is generally accepted a lot of loss of detail is not from silver wiping off of the coin (think about it), but is from the details being "compacted." While some very old and worn coins obviously have a loss of weight.
A Walking Liberty has a tolerance of .125 either way.
Thus 12.375 and 12.625 are legit weights
Your quarters are also within weight tolerances.
Here is a scientifically done test for finding losses of silver for silver coins:
www.cointalk.com/threads/silver-loss-from-wear-on-90-silver-coins-calculation.144944/
The same can be said for diameters and thicknesses. So be careful using close measurement differences as a sign of a fake.
Also, a cast coin is generally porous in nature. I won some fakes I deliberately bought from China years ago for an education. The porous nature of them is very evident with as much magnification as you show in this video. So I have to wonder if yours are cast or struck.
Lee Brewer not exactly... I've been studying coins & their specs now for 40 years. There are always exceptions to every rule but the things I said are true typically, not always without any exception whatsoever.
Lee Brewer and thanks for yours as well.
Your analysis here is not correct: having weighed hundreds of silver quarters I can assure you that very few weigh in at the theoretical 6.25 grams. Most will go 6.20 to 6.30, even for BU examples. Silver was 1.29 per ounce--this variance was insignificant. Also, please think about this for a minute: why would a faker go to the time and considerable expertise to fake such a low value item? That's why better date coins are faked all the time: CC dollars, 32D & 32S quarters, etc. I think you have fooled yourself here.
Acid doesn't lie
If you take a kleenex or paper towel and make a point out of a corner of it, and dip it into the acid on the block, you can then look at the kleenex and see which color the metal reacted. You would have only seen the outside layer's results the way you tested. Most silver plated flat wear would pass the test you did, but it would be a false positive. Specific gravity test would be more accurate method and no damage. I've had the oxidization of the coin give me a false negative testing with acid before as well.
damok9999 Nope, you’re simply wrong. I have tested dozens of plated pieces only to watch them fail. There simply isn’t enough silver plate to stand up to the acid when you scratch that deep into the stone. You can’t scratch test silver like a sissy...
damok9999 you are right about the gravity test though. I just don’t know how & don’t want to learn. I’ll leave that up to you..
You are scratch testing silver like a sissy. I have tested 1000s of pieces, never used a block. You cut into the metal with a exacto knife, drop your acid on a dental pick to reduce the amount and then touch it to the cut, using magnification to watch the reaction. Blocks are for sissyes. Acid testing coins is going half ass either way, scratch the piece or preserve it with a specific gravity test.
I have a 1990 coin that has a silver luster appearing about 40% content soooooo confused Dx
SonicIce have you looked to see if they minted a 40% silver quarter in 1990? Also, what makes you think it’s 40% besides just the luster? Identifying silver simply by luster requires decades of experience.
Man this is good info but you got to get some camera skills. I’m getting seasick and can’t pay attention
World Stacker Yes, I agree. I think the real problem is that I zoomed in too far & it amplified all of the movements in the video. I don’t have this problem with my other vids that pan out a ways. Next time I’ll pan out & only zoom in or bring objects up to camera lens for closeup details. Thanks for advice & for watching...
Faking a 3 dollar quarter seems like a lot of work.
craig latour It’s obviously a numbers game. I ended up with 3 of them myself. So if they sell 3 of these to 1000 customers at $4 a pop & their cost is 25% of that, their profits are 9K. I’m certain there are countless criminal type artists out there who wouldn’t mind putting in a few days worth of metal casting & carving to make $9K.
@@MrThedocholiday they would fake cc Morgan’s make them out of 90% silver and sell them it means it passes all these tests plus they make like at least 100 dollars in profit per coin but the key to being immune to these fakes is vams fakes never have vams nor a good die quality
IT'S SO SIMPLE ! ANYTIME YOU GET COUNTERFEIT COINS OR PAPER MONEY FROM EBAY SELLERS, ***CALL THE FBI !!*** AND REPORT THEM ! YOU WILL SEE HOW FAST THESE SELLERS STOP THE BS !
The camera is too shaky...I have Vertigo and it makes me dizzy...
John Scanga you didn’t read the previous comments about shaky camera work?
@@MrThedocholiday I appreciate your reply...Have you since bought a tripod...I will watch another current video if you have a tripod...
Great video.
CoinMan 5000 thanks for watching & tolerating my amateur camera work.
To improve future videos you needed a tripod or another person with steady and goods hands working the camera.
You didn't measure thickness.No need for acid test.KEY factor.Measure thickness,not just diameter.
Walter Kosciak Bottom line is that neither thickness, nor diameter, nor weight can tell you if there is silver in a coin so measurements of all kinds are only clues to tip you off to potential counterfeits. I made that clear in the video. Acid test is the only way among those tests mentioned that prove whether silver is present or not. That is why pawn shops & PM scrappers acid test before they buy any street circulated silver or gold products. Did you miss that fact?
@@MrThedocholiday well i returned two fake 1895 s MORGANS over .021 thousandths.They were high grade knockoffs.Diameter bingo.weight bingo.Heck you did a visual on thickness, but provided no numbers.
The bottom line and key is thickness.Impossible to duplicate.
Then again.use a 90% silver 10% copper
planchet and your counterfeit parts are mint state perfect.Them it comes down to the tooling.The coining dies.
Thanks for the show.appreciate.
Sorry about not watching all of the video before commenting. thanks again.
I would defer to a metallurgist, but I was under the impression that "wear" on a coin - particularly made out of a soft-ish metal like silver or gold - is a "flattening" of the coin, rather than the metal being stripped off the coin. In other words, shouldn't a worn coin weight about the same as the published weight?
I've seen some older junk coins that were worn pretty darn thin. You could make out what the coin was but no visible date, face or lettering.
I would check for errors on the coins befoe i scratched them on a test method.
Concrete Etc. Everything Concrete Now that is the smartest comment yet. But honestly, what are the chances of getter four error coins in one purchase? Far more likely that someone would make counterfeits to rip people off with.
Ok can I get some help here I really new at coins but started collecting I live in New Mexico and not much places to buy coins at that I don't know if paying to much for a coin but I would love to buy coins if you could help me out and lead to to a place to buy thank you
Compare prices, shipping & condition of various coins you desire on ebay... Learn the values of the coins you desire first. Then go looking for them with cash in hand. As far as counterfeits go, you have to learn about the coins you're dealing with first before you can spot counterfeits. The RedBook of us coins tells you everything you need to know about the specs on the coins you're comparing. The only thing you'll need to learn about specs are the tolerances of genuine coins so you don't expect genuine coins to be perfect from the mint, because they're simply not perfect. Lastly, you need to learn the characteristics of the various kinds of metal the coins you're seeking are made of. Copper, silver, nickel, gold & other metals have various inherent properties that you need to familiarize yourself with if you expect to be able to spot genuine from counterfeit coins when you inspect them. Especially with silver or gold, these metals have very distinct properties that cannot be mimicked by others metals... For example, if the size is correct for a counterfeit silver or gold coin, the weight will be off. And if the weight for a counterfeit silver or gold coin is on, then the size will be off. If both of these for a counterfeit coin are on, then they may be magnetic or vulnerable to acid, unlike genuine coins. You simply have to learn your craft just like anything else & the only way to do that is to watch others & do your research. Become familiar with the things you desire, save your money for the real thing & go after it when you are educated. Be patient so you don't loose heart when you make mistakes... because you're gonna make mistakes. But ebay & youtube are the best places to learn your craft because there is no loss of information there, nor any limit to the challenges of false information or expertise. You get it all there & must learn before you can master your craft, journey or search. Does that help? If you don't learns your craft first you will get taken for a ride repeatedly.
Think you are wrong here! The minute amount of wear does not weigh near as much as you think it does.
There’s no silver present in these coins. Period! Zero. Zip. Nada. They did prove to all be fake. So arguing minutiae here about weights verses wear is a mute point. They were cast carelessly & both the weight & wear show it. And the reason why is the same reason why the us mint minted silver in the first place… namely, because no other coin-usable metal besides gold has the same physical mass/weight properties as silver does. Fact!
@@MrThedocholiday its NOT a mute point.. i see it repeated over and over when trying to sell constitutional silver, and the ‘facts’ seem to change depending on whether its the buyer or seller telling the story. These ones may have turned out to be fake, but to say just because a coins weight is off by a point alone does not make it fake. Fact! I have bags of real constitutional silver and you will find that almost no two coins weigh exactly the same, and the difference between one that looks worn and one that does not is so minute it could be the difference of just zeroing in the scale!
@@Blood_Sweat_Gears Although I have seen junk coins with the date, text and faces worn off, these coins are durable. I can't imagine a big loss of weight.
however there is a weight tolerance of .25 grams on some half dollars.
umm take a look at the paper towel you used the acid is supposed to melt silver and also the paper towel should have a red spot on the paper towel that's how you know its silver
joseph heffle Sounds about right... however, as it melts silver, the portion it does melt leaves behind the red, on the stone or on the towel.
Duster Dan! I've been buying several BU Franklin half dollar rolls from different ebay sellers. How do I know if they're real or not?
Scratch a corner of each coin on a test stone & acid test them with silver test acid. Follow the instructions carefully for best results or simply look for ‘rust red’ color from the silver scratched on the stone once you apply the acid. If the silver doesn’t turn to rust red, there’s no silver content in the coins. It’s simple as that. You can test things that you know for a fact are sterling silver first to get a feel for the method & then move on to testing the coins after that. Always test items you know are sterling first to make sure your acid is good. This method is foolproof as long as your acid isn’t too old.
Chineseum metal.
I have seen so many legitimate silver coins ruined by the acid test. I would suggest avoiding it at all costs.
MétéoMan ruined is a relative term... If you watch the video you can see that there's a difference between scratching a silver coin on the stone compared to putting a drop of acid directly on the coin itself. I'm assuming you mean silver coins have been ruined by morons (probably pawn shops) putting a drop of acid directly on the coin itself? Because as you can clearly see in my video that there is no noticeable difference before I test them compared to after I test them. Also, you'll notice I don't advise even scratch testing any rare coins, unless you simply don't care & never intend to resell them. Every bit of valuable advice comes with an exception or two & we must all learn to take the general claims people make & keep the exceptions in mind as well. But that doesn't mean we make a big deal out of every exception every time for every claim ever made. We all need to learn the sense in which each claim is true & the sense in which each claim is untrue & not push claims past the authors intent & turn his truth into an occasion to argue the exceptions to his claims. Does that make sense?
For sure, putting a drop of acid on the coin is what came to mind. As I am a coin grader and conservator for a coin firm, I have seen it all including removing small amounts of silver for testing. That can also be a factor in rejecting a coin. Since there are so many tests one can perform, including knowledgeable inspection, acid is verboten in our shop. Thanks for your reply.
You'd think they would fake them in silver that way it would be next to impossible to tell
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Left me get this correct...
Make fake silver coins, out of silver?
Wouldnt that still be silver?
@@dontask8979 cc Morgan’s carry heavy premiums even in like f10 it’s a 100 dollar coin no matter the date of the cc if they take a fake and make it out of 90% try to pass it off as a au coin that’s like a 500+ dollar coin no matter what if it were a real example
Dude, buy a small tripod and show much of this on wide view and then you can zoom in. Your camera handling gave me a headache.
albert hall sorry... I'll take it under advisement. Have a nice day.
I think I need a Dramamine after all of that spastic camera work. Perhaps try getting a friend to hold the camera.
I never would have thought that counterfeit quarters would be made. *@&^#%%@$. Glad I got mine decades ago. Good eyes and thinking about that 1932 quarter...you never see circ'ed ones in that condition. Do those coins ring when dropped? (suspect NO) I'll bet they are pewter. Pewter can be made with a lead-tin ratio that will give the same specific gravity as silver. Bet you could hit one of those coins with a propane torch and melt it really fast.
Why go thru all the trouble for 25 cents?
Ricky Grand Because silver quarters cost $5 each minimum in the market place. You don’t understand how capital business works. You take a profit of $4.50 & multiply it times a thousand or a million & viola! Suddenly a fake silver 25 cent piece is lucrative to produce. It’s a numbers game, not just a deception game. And yes, with the size of today’s global population, coins are produced in such volumes - even counterfeit coins.
This is the real reason why our federal government stopped minting coins with silver in the first place... because it’s expensive, & they realized that much silver in the hands of citizens limits government’s ability to control cash flow & fund all their big government pet projects.
Silver represents an exponential value compared to other forms of currency.
Duster Dan preach bro. guy doesn't know about coins
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Interesting duster
I hope you got the Feds involved. That may be bulk silver, but it's also legal coin.
Sir, look at you paper money. Some serial numbers could be worth alot. Combos like 2233445566 or backwards 6655443322...or course those numbers aren't real, just for an expample. But if whatever the serial numbers are if they are doubled or single but one following the other or do it backwards they could be worth ALOT.
A guy in my apartment building had a double stamped quarter and he wouldn't sell it to me, even though he knew nothing about coins.. He somehow put it in the soda machine at our apt. ! I wish I'd known that but oh well....
Never buy silver from EBay. Only buy from reputable online dealers. Apmex, Provident and many others ... You will save yourself a lot of money and hassle.
Appreciate you sharing However invest in a tripod your video is way to shaky to watch.
Perform Specific gravity (SG) test on alloy of Silver or Gold and compare this to known 90% or 40% silver US coins --> www.attilacoins.com/Calculate_Specific_Gravidity_coin.asp . No destructive testing or coin wear, as you mentioned, thickness and weight can vary depending on coin condition. However, if the counterfeiters used real melted 90% silver to cast the coin then the SG will be the same as a real one and the SG method can't tell.
A VERY good video..
thanks for info. i have subscribed to your channel.
Quite a disturbing trend. If you want to mail me some of those fakes i will post a video on them to alert the public.
I had to send them back to the ebay seller so he could try & get his money back also. He got scammed by an ex co-worker. The ebay seller I got them from seems legit & has been very professional. I could always post a link to my video exposing those smaller counterfeits here with your permission. The coins were really well made & hard to detect without acid testing them. Another viewer that watched my video noticed another issue with one of the quarters that I missed. Go getting this info out is paramount we can share our knowledge as a community! Let me know if I can do anything more to promote you guys also... Y'all are funny & you obviously care about others!
Can you get a tripod I feel like I'm drunk
Woodworking and Epoxy Next time, yes... This video not recommended for epileptics or anyone prone to dizziness or vertigo. However, the information therein is too valuable to remove from RUclips just because Hollywood types expect perfect productions from amateurs like myself.
@@MrThedocholiday yeah I'm epileptic. Its sucks too because the only way I could watch it was by not looking at it which kinds defeats the purpose in a video like this. But good job on the information
Woodworking and Epoxy Yes, I agree. It does suck. And I’m sorry. Unfortunately, the information is still necessary since my video was the first of its kind regarding small denominated counterfeit silver coins at the time it was uploaded. If I ever get a chance to redo this video I will certainly polish it up, use a tripod & take the old video down so everyone can enjoy the new one without any issues.
@@MrThedocholiday nah man it's cool. Perfect the way it is
Yeah... Those are wayyyy too nice to be junk silver prices.. those should be at LEAST two, three times that... Either that or you just got an amazing deal!!!
Why didnt u test them with a magnet???