NATO's Most Valuable Aircraft? The Avro Canada CF-100
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2022
- As the Cold War loomed on the horizon shortly after World War 2, Canada worried about the possibility of Soviet bombers flying over the Arctic Ocean ready to deliver nuclear payloads on North American targets.
Consequently, Canadian Air Force officials made a bold decision and built their own indigenously-developed fighter-interceptor from scratch.
Flying for the first time on January 19, 1950, Avro Canada's CF-100 Canuck was a long-range, all-weather interceptor with an advanced radar system fitted on the nose.
During its run, Canada's good ol' Canuck was one of the world's best all-weather fighters and one of NATO's most valued aircraft.
And for a while, it was the only fighter of its type used by the organization's forces in Europe, where it excelled at protecting the Western skies from continuous Soviet attacks in extremely harsh zero-visibility conditions…
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As a Canadian, I’ve never heard Canuck pronounced Canook, but this is an excellent documentary. Nicely done.
Bugged me the whole time. But not as bad as Drachinifel pronouncing Esquimalt.
I know, it’s weird. There was a US newscaster talking about the Vancouver Canucks on TV a few months ago and she pronounced it even more “oook” sounding. I mean, even if you’ve never seen the word before, there are a LOT of English words that end with uck. Why wouldn’t you assume that Canuck rhymes with them?
I love how everyone bitches but no one ever corrects and tells the proper pronunciation!! I’ve read three comments plus replies and still have no idea how it’s pronounced. Is it can-uck because that’s how it sounds when he says it to me. Like duck but trade the d for can?
@@Legion-xq8eo I hear ya... not an expert in writing phonetics but CANUCK is said quickly in two syllables. Can like the container obviously and the uck sounds ... if you were saying yuck or yuk without the y.
The narrator (I like his style btw) in this piece goes with Canook so he obviously didn't have any Canucks (Canadians) on his production crew or they would have sorted him out. :)
@@1timepad ok I gotcha, Ty btw. So instead of saying can-ook it’s can-uck like puck but drop the p 👍 tyvm now I know lol
Being a retired Canadian veteran I am very proud of the canuck
I appreciate what you have done for our country, I was in the CAF army reseveres in 2018 when I was 16 and I intend on enlisting to the reg force in the next few months. Where abouts were you stationed?
@@Canuck037 I was in Petawawa, Winnipeg,Ottawa and Borden. I also started out in the reserves back in 1988..
You mean the "Canoook...smh lol
@@Canuck037 Why not grow your hair smoke some weed and chase girls? ex military just sayin
@@canadiancorporal3501 Ah the smell of smudge pots ( naphtha ) in the morning oh sorry that was 76'
I wasn't aware the CF 100 was so well recieved by NATO. I always thought my country just used them for home defense. Thanks!!
best defense is a good offense
Canada also converted the 104 star fighter into a nuclear strike bomber. Unique setup, scary fast
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The C-100 looked to me like a modified Starfire and I always thought it was until seeing this film. 👌
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As a Canadian every time I get reminded about the amazing fighter jets we designed and built and then look at what we have now just makes me cry
One plane got used and the other one cancelled. All of our aircraft industry basically moved south of the border and we have no more. We should all be crying.
You still got Justin Bieber and Drake going for you....🤷🏽♂️🇨🇦
@@WALTERBROADDUS not Biever anymore.
As an American I am so ashamed of what we did to influence the cancellation of the Arrow. It looked like it was going to be a splendid aircraft smh.. 🇺🇸✈
@@patk8417 don't feel bad, you still got Celine Dion....
Canada really messed up when they cancelled the avro arrow.
no they did not the russians used what they learned from infiltrating the Avro company to make the mig 25 which is still the fastest fighter of all time
That's not really true. For all the seventy years of whining about it, the bomber threat really was never serious. It's the icbms and the subs that are the killers. It was never designed to have any sort of multi-role capability. It really didn't do anything that the f-104 or f-106 could not do.
I agree with Walter, and I'm a Canadian. My country would've still had to develope a fighter, the design didn't lend its self to that.
They didn’t really have much of a choice. I’d love to see what if we did put it into production but ultimately wouldn’t have worked out
why would Canada spend money on developing planes when the USA spends more money on military development than the rest of the world combined?
I was serving as a tech at CFB Baden Germany during the CF-104 era when the last ferry flight from Canada to Germany of a CF-100 took place. Early 1980's. It was flown over to become a gate guard on a pedestal along with other retired aircraft. True to form the old girl snuck in & landed virtually unnoticed in very foul weather, no fanfare or broohaha.
I remember seeing that gate guard when I went to Lahar in for fall ex in 1990
@@canadiancorporal3501 Cool. My 2nd tour in Germany was with 444 Sqn Lahr. 1990 would have been my last Fallex as I was posted to Ottawa summer of 1991. The Iron Curtain was no more with the fall of the Wall in 1989. Our presence in Europe was winding down quickly....
no way! My Grandfather was in Baden Soellingen from 82 to 86!
@@690_5 I was there from 79 to 83. Perhaps I knew him.
I was sitting in the ""Rod and Gun" club when that aircraft arrived. Does anyone remember its number?
The CF-100 was what the USAF would have called an "all-weather interceptor". The USAF commissioned the Northrop F-89 "Scorpion" to fulfill that function, but development became protracted. As a result, the USAF used the Lockheed F-94 "Starfire", which was basically a development of the existing and, by then, somewhat elderly F-80 "Strarfighter" and T-33 jet trainer. The British were also attempting to develop such an aircraft, the Gloster Javelin, but development of that aircraft also became protracted and it did not emerge until the late 1950s. As a result, for a while Canada ended up with the best long-range, all-weather interceptor available in the West. In addition, the Orenda jet engine proved so successful that it was used in Canadian-built Canadair Sabre jet fighters, which served in numerous air forces for many years (although the Sabre is usually thought of as an American fighter, many Americans are unaware that over 1,800 Sabres were built in Canada by Canadair).
We have built quite a few advanced military machines, just not well recognized
Very few americans are unaware of the Canadian F-86s which by the way are designated CL-13s, however all F-86s were produced in the US
Canadian sabre was licence built. That license was granted by north American aviation , an American company.
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777 thank you to your uncle
Veterans get my respect
@@Johnson-vd4ed like general motors, etc.....
Probably the most memorable moment of my childhood was when, as a 10 year old boy, my father took me with him on a weekend visit to his air base and let me sit in his (back) seat in "his" CF-100, and even let me wear his oxygen mask. I can still smell it. I'm sure he broke quite a few rules to let me do that, but I still remember it fondly 55 years later. His flying career was entirely as a EWO in the CF-100 and our family life revolved around his various postings as a result of that - although he was never posted overseas. Thank you for your excellent presentation.
My uncle, Lawres Guptill, was also the Mav in aCF100. We lost him a few weeks ago.
Glad you have fond memories to think of...
I was an electronic technician based in North Bay RCAF station where two squadrons operational of CF100’s were based. They were a solid reliable interceptor. The whole RCAF personel felt betrayed by the abandonment of the Avro Arrow.
Yes, the Avro Arrow should have been built.
Don't forget, Belgium also operated the venerable "Clunk". My Dad was a GCA radar tech at RCAF 2 wing in France during the early part of the 60's and remembers the 100's being the only fighters to fly in 0/0 to intercept "stray" TU-95's, etc.
Small world, my dad was posted at Marville and Grostonguin before they closed, lived in LaMorteau, Belgium.... good times :)
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thats in the video boss
I bet his moustache tickled so many pilot wangs
You can see a belgian CF-100 on display in the Brussel's "musée de l'air" next to "musée de l'armée", Cinquantenaire. That late XIX's century huge building is still very impressing, a bit dusty though for some parts...
Avro Canada was a wonderful company, with its roots in Britain, where aircraft like the Lancaster bomber, and the incredible Vulcan were born. Using the outstanding Orenda engines they had a world-beating plane.
There is still an Iroquois engine inside the Magellan Aerospace building in Malton ( Airport Rd and Steeles or actually just west of Airport). Magellan purchased the engine when it bought out several other companies that have owned the building. Their are paintings of the Arrow all over the place but the Iroquois engine is down the hall on the left. Its huge but really really awesome.
As a Canadian, it's an unfortunate truth, but this channel and others like it, are the only way we will ever know our national history. Thank you. 💯❤
Gotta say all of the "Dark" series videos are some of the most informative and well put together of the genre. Very well done, without a lot of the B.S. on most other channels.
While having a proud history the CF-100. It's really sad that the CF-100 remains to this day the only true massively built Canadian fighter. We had such a good and promising future and Aviation design and the government just gave it the middle finger. Huge and sad mistake in Canadian history. At least we helped put America on the moon.
The Arrow's death still makes me cry.
@@texasbeast239 I suspect behind-the-scenes US pressure, like that which led to the TSR2 being cancelled.
@@bertmeinders6758 In the miniseries/movie, Avro engineers needed an American wind tunnel to test the Arrow's aerodynamics as Canada didn't have fast enough of a tunnel anywhere. I could easily imagine the local USAF personnel's reports of admiration for the design and its successful test getting a very different response in Washington.
Gawd, I hate when nationalism overrides pure respect for excellence, no matter the flag that happens to wave overhead!
I grew up with Japanese toys. Would it have killed us to buy some Canadian fighter jets?!!
@@bertmeinders6758 since the prototype arrows were cut up by American representatives, you can be sure that's the case.
We also built what is considered the best version of the Sabre.
My Uncle, Lawres Guptill, was a navigator in CF100s in Germany. He passed away a couple of weeks ago, not before passing many tales with me. A wonderful man, he is missed...
Years ago on a trip to Canada, I got into a discussion about aircraft and was asked what I thought was Canada's greatest aircraft. I suggested the CF-100. My Canadian friend said no, it's the DHC-2 Beaver.
The Beaver is one of the top 3 aircraft that will always be around. I say this because like the other 2, Douglas DC 3 and Antonov AN 2 operators have had the aircraft refurbished and replaced the recips with turboprops.
Interesting choice when you think about it.
@@WALTERBROADDUS - I thought so.
Important aircraft for Canada have been DHC-2, DHC-3 and the DC-10.
I thought it would be the CF-105, yk, the one that could go mach 2 but was canceled
When we returned from our four year posting in Paris in 1960 we went straight to a Mid-Canada line radar base. I remember seeing a Clunk flying on its side between two of the towers. He was almost hedge-hopping and he was hauling ass, gone in literally a couple of seconds. I love the R.C.A.F.
I have to confess, though I had heard of the Canuck, I didn't realize how much of a role it played in bomber deterrence. Good to know.
My father was one of the first pilots to operate the cf-100 based out of Baden Solingen, flying over in operation Nimble
Bat. It was often heard “who rules the Rhine? The 419!” made up of cf-100s with the moose logo on the nose. The original cf-100 pilots came over from the North Star transport command as they were all trained IFR pilots.
MOOSEMEN!!!!
Came across some old Canadian air force magazine there was this one story how a CF 100 was sitting Infront of the hanger directly in front of a Cf100 getting ready to take off, apparently the CF 100 had problem missing firing it's rocket pods .The plane at the hanger launched all it's rockets at the plane taking off whizzing past the canopy and hitting some trees.The pilot about to take off was a X WW2 fighter ace ,he gets on the radio and says ha you missed and throttles up and takes off.This took place at Cold lake Alberta.
Excellent short documentary about the Clunk, even touching on the Arrow debacle which is appreciated, but ARGH!! It's CAN-UCK like duck, NOT canook. :p Minor nit-pick I know, but my jaw clenched every time the narrator said canook. I guess it's too late to change now. Great video anyway.;-)
Like fingernails on a blackboard.
He obviously dont like hockey
He keeps saying it over and over!!!
Canuck like duck? Any self-respecting Canadian should say "Canuck like puck"!! 🤣🤣
@@stephenp448 Haha, thanks. I'll get it right next time, eh?
Gotta tell ya, you have a gift with you voice. Easy on the ears. Thank you so much for not using one of those robotic voiceovers. Love your videos. ❤️
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Great, well done video, many thanks to the producer. After graduating from Camp Borden in 1958 as an AE Technician I was posted to RCAF Station Uplands where I worked on the CF 100 through to mid 1961 when the replacement CF 101 aircraft started to arrive. Good times, fond memories.
One of these is on display like 5 minutes from my house, it's always a joy to drive by on the way to the store.
Winnipeg?
@@HyundaiAccentFanClub I was thinking the same, I think there is a bright red cf100 by a park
There might be 2 on diplay in Ontario. North Bay perhaps, and I think I saw one somewhere further South.
@@HyundaiAccentFanClub Kingston Ontario, in a parking lot at the Military College
@@richardcovello5367 there used to be one at cfb Trenton next to I think a voodoo. It was by barracks. That was in 90s don't know if they are still there
Good video...
There is an excellent restored version of the Canuck at the Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio. The Canuck was a well designed and useful aircraft that was perfect for the time.
I was in air cadets in the 80s and went on a 3 week leadership training course at Trenton, Ontario. We visited the rapid repair training area and I distinctly because they had two of these that they were using to train, the fuselages had taken rounds from what I can only assume was a 50 cal. It was pretty amazing to see how fast they could put these planes back together.
My Grandfather was a navigator in the CF-100 on exchange with the Canadian Defence Liason Staff. So cool to learn more about the incredible aircraft he flew in. Thank you.
It was the friendliest fight you would ever meet.
It’s not Canook…it’s Canuck…nuck, not nook 🙄
Yeah I know, this mistake has been made many times with the Dark Docs channels. I'm 99% sure they're narrated by text to speech AI though, so it is excusable.
I think these videos are excellent on all accounts. I have an idea for some aircraft, the drones they are using these days most people don't even know how insane they are. It would be cool to let people know how scary those things have become.
Thank you!!!! So many people don't recognize Canada equipment, training and abilities!!!
People should appreciate old Canada's ability but not modern Canada. Modern Canada has repeatedly cut its armed forced until its an absolute hollow, gutted shadow of its former self.
My grandfather worked for Orenda and helped design the engines for it.
I have always loved the CF-100 Canuck so much. It's always capatured my imagination as I drive by them on displays.
Great timing for the video! On June 28th The CF100 Canuck 760 celebrated the 40th anniversary of it's last flight. CF100 760 is actually being restored at the Quebec Aerospace museum.
I was stationed at RCAF Uplands in Ottawa. I enjoyed my private pilot's license and was taking off on the private field that was at right angles to the main runway. Just as I was crossing the main runway, a flight of CF-100 scrambled and was aimed straight at me. Much to my amazement, the flight opened up as it crossed over me, then closed back up into formation and continued their flight. I was astonished that such a large plane could exhibit such maneuvability at such a critical phase of flight. I certainly could not do such a thing in my tiny Aeronca J. My admiration to the CF-100, their pilots, and to Avro.
When I was a SAC Maintenance Officer at Pease AFB in the 1970's, CF-100's were regular visitors to our base. I wasn't aware of the storied history of this aircraft. Your video tells a fascinating story that I wasn't aware of. Well done!
I had seen this plane in photos in books and magazines over the years but never knew anything about it until now. Thanks for the look!
My dad was a Clunk Driver with 414 Sqn. from '57 to '59, when it was still an AWF sqn. I personally attended the CF-100's official retirement ceremony at CFB North Bay with him in the early '80's. It was such a damn shame the Canadian government sold out and folded to pressure from the US in cancelling the Arrow project in '59. We lost all the best and brightest engineers in the Canadian aero industry over the next few years to America's F-14 and F-15 projects. Isn't it amazing how our neighbours, who believe themselves so innately superior to the rest of the world, always have to rely on other countries' scientists to get anything actually built?
Well said sir. The British got them through the sound barrier and the Germans got them to the moon.
My uncle was an engineer on the Arrow. His peers went to the USA to find work.
You dont think your superior? how about Australians or the English or Germans? Do they think they are superior to every one else??? Maybe the reason you lost them is something you should think about. And get rid of that guy lording over you too.......
One of the first rocket experts was Robert Goddard who was designing and building liquid fuel rocket engines in the 1920's. As far as getting anything built, two of the greatest aircraft designers were Kelly Johnson and Ed Heinemann. I worked on the latter's incredible A-4 Skyhawk AKA "Scooter" and the 2 seat variant, the TA-4J. This was at NAS Miramar with VC-13 later redesignated VFC-13. We occasionally hosted Canadian CFA-18 aircraft. And I am not the only person who believes the the F-105 was chosen over the Arrow for economic reasons; it had similar capabilities at a lower cost. By the way, could you name a few of these Canadian engineers and what contributions they made in the design and development of the Grumman F-14 and the McDonnell Douglas F-15? - " Isn't it amazing how our neighbors, who believe themselves so innately superior to the rest of the world, always have to rely on other countries' scientists to get anything actually built?" Isn't it amazing how some people use generalizations and stereotypes to describe others? I'm a US citizen and am proud of my country, warts and all. It's not perfect, but no country is. And your use of the word "always" is simply WRONG.
As an American: America outclasses Canada in sheer weight of taxes collected. That's probably about it...But I like Canada for a variety of reasons. Hell my first love was a Vancouver girl who moved to my little town in NJ. She out shown the Jersey girls I grew up with and shook my world.
Great story! My father was in the RCAF as a mechanic and maintained CF100s. He even flew in the back seat.
CF-100 was the first straight wing aircraft to break the sound barrier ..although in a dive. Tough as nails!
Heads up that Canuck isn't pronounced the way it was throughout this video. It's a pretty known nickname for Canadians and is pronounced can-nuck, like duck - not canook. Great video otherwise; we are proud of the Avro.
I didn’t hear “can nook” clearly he said Canuck.
@@MetsanAsukas I don't know what you were listening to then but it wasn't this video! He clearly says it wrong probably a hundred times throughout. Not once did he get it right and it sounded weird to everyone watching with me. We were covering our ears each time it was so bad. Don't try to tell me he said it right 🤦😂
Yeah, it was driving me crazy.
You're right Lyndsi.
But in an odd way I like "Canook" too.
So glad to see someone re-telling Canadian military history in the 50's and 60's.
I've heard that used for Canadians, but the plane being Chin-uck like your jaw or Shin-uck like you lower leg (though rarely). It's online too.
Never heard of it..
But what an amazing aircraft way ahead of its time..
It's a shame Canada stopped developing future aircraft.
It didn't, it stopped developing advanced military aircraft.
Who do you think designs the American aircraft? Canada!
@@ivorholtskog5506 hehe
@@justsayen2024 you design them, the yanks take the credit and the profit. Exploitation.
Boeing recruiters were at the announcement of the scrapping of the Arrow. They knew first and grabbed the people while they were ahell-shocked at the betrayal.
@Gamespeople Ironically, the US Air Force offered to fund the completion of the first 60 Arrows when they got word of its pending cancellation. They said that there were no similar aircraft in development that would match the extreme range and ordnance capabilities of the Arrow and therefore nothing that could fulfill its mission requirements, and that Canada should go ahead with at least the first planned squadrons. Deifenbaker refused the money and went forward with the cancellation. I don't know why people get it in their heads that Americans were behind the CF105 cancellation. They were in favor of Canada completing it.
Thank you for the efforts you made articulating. I find it much easier to understand you. I appreciate.
Thanks for this. Another one I drew a couple of years back, and I liked the contrast between bare metal and camo versions a lot!
Ok, I really feel like you do listen to genuine feedback in comments, as this video is on par with what I feel long time viewers would at least hope for. Music isn't bleeding over your voice, the edits aren't too much. The research is solid as usual, of course! Thanks m8 \m/
Pilots called it the lead sled or the clunk.
Thank you for the informative video my grandpa William Siegel was one of the pilots that unfortunately passed away in the crash you mentioned so it was very cool to learn more about the plane he got to fly
I am embarrassed that I did not know anything about the CF100’s proud history. My father spent most of his career with the CF104. I knew that the CF100 existed. I recognized it right away but I did not know anything about it. Thanks for doing this.
This was great ! You should do one for The Canadair CP-107 Argus, this aircraft needs some spotlight. One of the best ASW aircraft in the world.
Looking for a quick Canada Day diversion? Here is a 12 minute video on the CF-100 Canuck. (You'll have to overlook the Canook pronunciation.)
I was the Avionics Support Officer on 414 Sqn from 1970-72 and the Aircraft Repair Officer from 1972-73. I learned a lot about the Clunk during that time and am proud to have been part of the CF-100 saga.
I hope you enjoy the video and that it boosts your pride in Canada just a little bit, even if you are not Canadian. 🍁🇨🇦
Love this video, thanks Scott!
Thank you for this awesome documentary!!
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but it's 50 caliber/calibre. That means the round has a diameter of half an inch. Since Canada uses the metric system, that converts to a caliber/calibre of 12.5mm.
No, we call it fifty caliber here as well.
Try 12.7 mm bud, use math.
Canada converted to the metric system in the 1970s. When the Canuck was designed we used imperial measurements and those guns definitely were and still are .50 caliber.
@@just_one_opinion Names of most cartridges have nothing to do with real math.
.257 is how many mm? then why is it not called the 6.5? And why is the "6.5" not called the 6. 7. They are just names designed to hype sales.
But he said 8.5 mm at 04:06
It has the look of both the Canberra and a touch of the Buccaneer from the front .. 👍🏼😎 🇬🇧
Bit of U2 in there too!
and a dash of Meteor....
@@casinodelonge
Yes especially the tail.. .fuselage cockpit lines.
but thats the Canberra to the T.
...just the side mounted engines
and big round intakes... Say nope ...😁 and point to the Buccaneer... but as Avro Canada had evolved from the wartime Avro co operation you can bet the people design DNA
Was still in the mix....as well as the material and technology limits of the time.
Really enjoying your channel!
Early Canuck, Agro CF-100 had the APG 33 radar systems. This is what made it a good "interceptor" made by Hughes Aircraft, originally for the B36! Top speed was right at or jest below Mach..depending on set up. It had good climb rate and engines were fairly dependable. Development costs were very significant for the Canadian military budget!
I wish Canada, Britain, France, Germany, and Italy kept their aviation and automotive capabilities. I know they all make some parts or more bespoke type stuff, but if Japan can have so many auto makers and I think it’s high quality fighter jet Canada and Britain should be able to have a couple high volume automobile makers and a jet builder.
Germany builds more jet aircraft than anyone other than the U.S.
See what your saying. Have 2 remember the 2 industries R driven by $$ & different markets. R&D, test of concept platforms, production, & sales. Most important, don't 4get gov subsidies. Aviation is mainly pushing technology in R&D, being a expensive cost that prohibits most manufacturers from producing products without gov subsidies. That's why European countries form joint consortiums 2 produced military & civilian aircraft. Then labor & sales factor in. These costs can B absorb by Gov's, plus they can specify what type they want then becoming the aviation manufacturer's customer. Automotive markets R completely different, manufacturers take all risks betting on its products sales. Japan had the infrastructure B4 WW2 & after rebuild 2 produced heavy equipment. Instead of planes & tanks it switches 2 cars & bulldozers. Israel bought a license 2 manufacture F16s in the 80s but didn't have the infrastructure. To build what's needed & produce a plane they realized it would've cost more per unit than just buying it from General Dynamics. To recoup their money they sold the plans & tec 2 China. They Chinese call their version the J10. This begs the question, is it better 2 have in country manufacturing or shared ? Depends on who your friends are.
The CF-100 was certainly NOT replaced by the Dassault Falcon. The first is a fighter, the second a personal transport of the biz jet genre.
The Falcon replaced the Clunk in its' last role in the CAF at 414 Squadron which was serving as an Electronic Countermeasures aircraft. 414 crews flew across North America posing as bad guys to test all the NORAD crews competency. They caused a lot of sleepless nights to fighter jockeys in much newer aircraft.
@@davewilson9772 should have added that for clarity.
@@garyhebbard85 It would seem that there are a lot of things you didn't know about the Clunk. How many do you feel the author should elucidate on?
The Falcon replaced the CF-100 on 414 Sqn. Not a great choice, but technically Dark Skies is correct.
@@silverfox441 Saw some photos of that aircraft. That was an impressive paint job.
Another great video. As always very interesting and enjoyable to watch.
That was far more interesting than I thought it would be. Thanks!
So very sad that the Arrow was never put into production!!!! The 100 was a great aircraft!!
I always pronounced Canuck with the short U. This is the first time I ever heard someone pronounce Canuck as Canook
Very entertaining, and knowledge, thanks!
Another interesting and informative video, love them 👍🏻
I remember in third grade over seas . This aircraft was landing at the very same time 905 Am as we were going out to play outside . I would sand and the pilot and I would always wave . It was like the very same pilot was flying it in to a air force base that was just about tree top level that he flew . He had a white space helmet and a orange jump suit. I always wondered what type of strange aircraft that was . I remover the silver and wide jets nets to the main body. And Stubby air wings , and looked like only one pilot . And no markings were ever seen by me . But that didn’t surprise me living were so many different bases deep in the tropics . I always thought of a short winged u2 with his space suit and helmet . But in 3rd grade your learning about so many new things.
I also wish there were more model kits of this aircraft made. It's largely ignored and it's a shame given how many of them were produced and how long they served in important areas.
I have a 1/72 Hobbycraft Canuck plus a 1/72 vacuform from a canadian company. I believe Hobbycraft also made it in 1/48.
thank you so much i never knew about the cf100 til i seen this !!
I lived in North Bay for many years. I had the good fortune to have a teacher with security clearance, to get his class into the SAGE complex. A CF 100 and a BOMARC missile are mounted on pedestals, near where I lived. I never realized the history of the CF 100. What a shame we no longer have the industries that made Canada an independent for military equipment. The Arrow was also ahead of its time.
you can actually hear this music in the background when you're in canadian military industrial complex facilities
I've always considered the raising of the landing gear to be one of the noisier parts of flying, as far as general aviation goes. How loud did that nose gear have to be for it to be the basis of the plane's nickname?
I just think it's interesting what aspects of the plane the operators focus on.
It was the lock that made the noise right when the front gear was retracted so it was just below the pilots seat.
That's wild how it shoots rockets from the wing tips then drops the canister!
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up for the support of your channel
I always enjoy your vids! Please keep up the good work!
CF-105 Arrow was ahead of it's time. Should have continued.
and the us should have swallowed their pride and bought it.
@@davidkermes376 there was no reason to buy the Arrow.
@@WALTERBROADDUS
Agreed.
Hard not to remember that plane, saw it everyday for 20 years and more when I was a kid. Canada had so much potential at that time but politics screwed us
I enjoy the new vocal style. I find it much easier to listen to. Thank you for exploring alternatives.
I've always known the CF100 to be an exceptional design for its day. Imperial War Museum Duxford have an example on display, wearing European theatre camouflage. How it came to be there is quite interesting. The aircraft in question was donated to the Cranfield College of Aeronatics (as was) by the RCAF. It was used as a ground instructional airframe for a time before being offered for disposal.
Enter an ex RCAF pilot, Ormond Haydon-Baille, who at the time (mid 70's) was flying a Silver Star from Duxford. He had flown a CF100 in service and fancied adding one to his collection. A deal was done. Then, one day, it miraculously appeared at Duxford, all intact and tickety boo.
Now, this aircraft had been sitting around at Cranfield for a while, still bore its RCAF serial, had no UK registration or paperwork and hadn't flown in years.
It couldn't have been transported by road, fully assembled. So how did it disappear from Cranfield one day and reappear at Duxford?
It entered....The twilight zone!
Due to the vast/large size of Canadian airspace, we still have the need for a LONG range fighter-interceptor. The threat from our arctic neighbour is always present!
Too right. Now that we've agreed to split Hans Island with them, we'll have to be ever vigilant for those sneaky Danes! They might move the marker three feet west. 😀
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I love this plane.
Never heard about the CF100 until video. Thank you.
Awesome video!
In the fall of 1985 I was hitchhiking south of weyburn Saskatchewan & aboot 15/20 of them landed on an airstrip nearby quite a sight! I always wondered why it didn't get the swept wing 🤔
was in weyburn yesterday ;)
There was a proposed swept wing version, the CF-103. Avro even built a full size mock-up but wind tunnel tests indicated there wasn't enough of a performance advantage to warrant proceeding. It got shelved in favour of the CF-104 and we all know what happened to the Arrow. Perform an internet search on "Avro CF-103" and you'll find several line drawings and photos of the wind tunnel model and full size mock-up.
Because it didn't need to be fast, it needed to loiter and carry missiles. The original idea for what eventually became the F-14 Tomcat was a straight wing jet called the missileer, it would carry a lot of Phoenix missiles and was to be a sort of mobile missile site to protect the fleet. After experience in Vietnam, it was found that the aircraft needed to be able to dogfight as well.
You taught me something today! Never heard of the missileer.
I don't know what you saw, but they certainly weren't Canucks. The last flight of a CF-100 was on June 28, 1982. Sadly none were preserved in flying condition.
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Looks like a Gloster Meteor with relocated engine's
The Clunk was far better than the Meatbox...
the Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history.
A very close family friend flew the CF Zilch for many years out of Winnipeg I think... Spent many years in the RCAF and had hundreds of wild pilot stories... he loved the aircraft, but...
As a Canadian born and proud American citizen, thank you for this deep dive into the precursor to the infamous Arrow story. I will check your vids to see if you've covered that. Always like your "dark" stuff across the range of topics. 👍
1. The top speed of the CF-100 was 552 mph, not 650 mph. 2. At no time was the CF-100 armed with any .50 caliber machine guns, let alone 8 of them.
Early marks were most definitely armed with 8 .50 cals in a tray under the fuselage.
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Yeah, and its not supersonic if it can’t hit mach 1 🤦🏽♂️
Both the Mk.3 & Mk.4 were armed with .50 cals. The Royal Canadian Air Force Aircraft Operating Instructions CF100 MK 4 15 FEB 60, Revised 21 Jun 63, on Description - Armament Page 20 states "The armament equipment consists of eight calibre .50 M3 machine guns and two expendable rocket pods. Four 1000 pound bombs may be carried, two beneath each wing." On page 97, Part 4, Maximum Continous Power Chart (At 93% RPM) the speed is listed at 530 knots TAS at Sea level with wingtip rocket pods, which is 610 mph. The chart data is "As of April 1957", however it is noted that at sea level those speeds are not permitted as it exceeds aircraft limitations. 525 knots at 5000 feet with rocket pods is listed with no restrictions.
@@Ontheregz it achieved the mach 1 speed in a powered dive. It couldn't reach those speeds in level flight, however because no other straight wing jet had achieved such a feat before without rocket assistance, the CF-100 became the first jet powered straight wing jet to exceed the speed of sound.
I guess that you aren't a Canuck, otherwise you'd pronounce it like "uck" , not "Ook" , but you do nice videos! Cl-84, come to mind...
It's an ai voice... There are many words you'll catch them using correctly but pronouncing very strangely.
He is German its not A.I
Hahaha right, just like they say roof "oof" ruff like a dog barking 😆 at least look into the proper annunciation lmao
Stay Tunned! As we don’t say in The Kingdom of Dirt (Canada, eh)
@@mitchwagner2693 Dark ain't artificial. He just puts out too much too fast, without the time to get everything exactly right.
Such is the fate of those who survive off youtube videos.
First true video I've ever seen on CF-100. Great Video... Wonder what the AVRO Arrow would have accomplished.. Truly a sad story.
I remember in the 70's a Radio DJ, Jungle Jay Nelson, interviewed an historian who had written a book about the cold war RCAF and who took the author to task for not knowing anything about the role of the CF 100's in NATO in the 50s. Nelson was an American who, I believe, had flown sub hunters for the US navy off carriers in the 50s. He went on to inform the Canadian historian of the role of the CF 100 in NATO and knew all about its 0 - 0 all weather capabilities and importance as NATO's only true all weather fighter. I was proud that Nelson had chosen to become a Canadian.
It was so versatile rumor has it that if nato was short on jet fuel it could run on maple syrup. 🇨🇦
Maple syrup: 28$/L
A1 Jetfuel: 2.46$/L
I can hear the beancounter bureaucrats scream from here. Music!
LOL!!
Sounds a little sticky to me!
The Arrow was so far ahead of just about anything else, could have been the basis of a much bigger and more advanced aerospace industry (we lost many of those engineers to NASA). The Arrow, the CL 84 tilt wing, the Bras D’Or hydrofoil… so many lost opportunities by cowardly short sighted politicians.
Not really. It flew no higher or faster than Convair's F-106. It carried the same weapons, radar, and fire control system. The Mk I Arrow was only ~112 mph faster than the CF-101 Voodoo which ultimately replaced it. The Arrow's fly-by-wire/AFCS was not exclusive to the era, as NAA's A-5 Vigilante also incorporated FBW.
It was a large, expensive, single-purpose platform that was still several years away from active service at cancellation & couldn't hope to compete with multirole types like the excellent F-4 Phantom II which entered service in late 1960.
@@raynus1160 It had a much greater range that the F-106, and made that speed using much less powerful J58 engines. The Orenda Iroquois engine that had been installed at the time both were cancelled. The Iroqois was already producing 25,600 lbf thrust in prototype form. It was expected to take the arrow near mach 3
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With internal fuel only (9841lbs) the F-106 had a 500nm combat range. This is virtually identical to the proposed CF-105 MK II, but with the Arrow hauling an additional 500 gallons of fuel in a single drop tank over and above it's nearly 20,000lb internal fuel load.
With two 360 gallon drop tanks, the 106's range was increased by a further ~50% (total fuel capacity of 14,495lbs).
The Arrow I and II carried 19,560lbs of fuel internally and the single 500 gallon tank added another 3900lbs for a total of 23,460lbs. Both the Arrow I and the F-106 were powered by afterburning J75 engines (P-3's/P-5's in the Arrow I/P-9's/P-17's in the Dart). The much more powerful J58 was used exclusively in Lockheed's Blackbirds. The J75 P-5 and P-9 engines were very similar in thrust and specific fuel consumption. The more powerful PS.13 Iroquois demanded a higher specific fuel consumption, limiting the Arrow II's combat range to 520nm - effectively the same as the P-17-powered F-106 (which produced 24,500lbs of thrust). Later F-106's also had the added advantage of A2A refueling.
It should be noted that up until 1966, F-106's carried smaller (227 gal) drop tanks that were limited to Mach 1.25. The larger 360 gallon drop tanks allowed for Mach 2 flight.
The Arrow II's aluminum alloy construction would not allow for Mach 3 flight & with it's fixed-geometry engine intakes, would likely be hard-pressed to attain speeds much over Mach 2. On November 11, 1958, Arrow 202 managed a top program speed of Mach 1.90 for 30 seconds in level flight at an altitude of 50, 380'.
The proposed X2020-T6 alloy-skinned Arrow III with VG engine intakes and 30,000lb thrust engines was Avro's idea for an interceptor that could fly at sustained speeds of ~Mach 2.4 and 'dash' speeds up to Mach 3.0. It was, however, only a paper airplane and never built.
Great video. I appreciate your improvement in the cadence of your narration.
Fascinating aircraft history lesson. Thank you.
looks like Buccaneer in places
There is a History about two of an american similar fighter, F89, really very similar to the Canucks, that could not hit a runaway drone F6 Hell Cat used for shot training. It was a big shame for team and put several doubts about the efficiency of using rockets against enemy planes. And provoqued many forest fire incidents in this action, called after The Palmdale Battle...
That is a true story.
@@raynus1160 I read that there is no aiming device for pilot and the targeting os rocket were made by a radar that only catch big planes. They shoot in eye aiming. They miss everything..
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Not just one F-89 but two! The F-89D and the CF-100 Mk 4 and 5 shared the same Hughes AN/APG-40 radar & associated fire control/targeting computer which could be used in either an automatic or manual setting - and you're correct - unfortunately for the F-89 crews, their manual sighting system had been removed & they had to ripple-fire their FFAR's while 'eye-balling' the rogue Hellcat. Several of the 208 rockets hit the drone at low, glancing angles, but bounced off & failed to detonate.
The Hellcat eventually clipped a couple of power lines & took itself out of the engagement. Embarrassing? Hell yeah...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Palmdale
@@raynus1160 What a shame. Defeated by the spirit of fight of unmaned Hellcat.
Your content is first class all the way!!
Thank you. As a Canadian seeing these in museums this is really neat.
it looks more like a canberra B57 ? a fighter and a bomber , might as well have purchased the B 57 and loaded it with guns and rockets; and took it to 50000 ft and dived nose down, might have reached mach 1 too,
🇨🇦 Great informative video, BUT very hard to listen to Canuck being mispronounced continuously throughout the video. 😒 🇨🇦
It's none of the flashy supersonic dart fighters or bombers, but boy it looks just so elegant.
Great video! I love the Canuck! Just one item, it was not the first jet to break the sound barrier on jet engines alone in a dive, that honor belongs to the Douglas D-558-I Skystreak with a single jet engine which broke the sound barrier in a dive on Wednesday 29 September 1948.