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I enjoy the HELL out of these videos. Please keep doing it. I love watching the old mechanical pinball machines and the jukeboxes work and get fixed. I love the problem solving. :D
That looks like a really fun table to play. The "spinner" in the middle is something I haven't seen before. And it plays fast! Great job with the restoration.
Thanks Brokenhalo, we appreciate you checking it out. I've seen that spinner on a few other ones, the companies would invent something like that then use it for a little while on different machines....
I love pinball! I am subscribed because I like to see the different types of machines being repaired and your voice and presentation skills makes it great to watch a long video.
Great video, I enjoyed the relaxing disassembly and painting with the music overlay. I think your paint looks nice, Especially the blue and purple and I bet in person the machines look used in a good way, like a cherished belonging with a history.
Looks great... Buuuuut! Just kidding. Nailed it. That smudge technique! Exactly what I need to do for my hurricane in one spot. Thx for that. Loved the long play vid! Watched start to finish!
I hung out at a arcade/laundry mat when I was a teenager. The owners always found extra work for me to do and I once got to touch up a Bally Strikes and Spares pinball. It didn't look as good as your job here but... Thanks for the video.
Soo much better then it was. Great job. As someone that worked in an arcade in the late '80s/early '90s to me you did a perfect job. Get it to be presentable and playable without putting 'too much' time and money into the unit. Spend way to much money on the last 5 to 15% to get it perfect only to be dinged up in the next few months by customers (wear and tear). Perfect shape now to go into an arcade and get the heck played out of it.
I think you did a fantastic job fixing it up, and it will bring joy to it's owner for years to come. And about the negative comments, forget them. You just keep doing you! Now I'm off to find a pinball game to play.
Hell ya... you did awsome,most people would have scraped this machine. I think its well worth saving. You film it! I`m probably going to watch it ....keeps me in the mood to fix mine hehe.Oh ya before i forget when you spray your clear what do you use to cover switch contacts and light sockets etc?
Light sockets I just leave the old bulb in, switches i put a little piece of painter's tape on. Easy peasy. Thanks for watching Chris, we appreciate it!
Might be worth you looking into those paint pens that are becoming quite popular. They could make doing the black outlines so much easier; Especially the circles.
That's actually what I used to do them on this one, they make really cool acrylic paint pens that are basically the same exact stuff we're using with the brush, works great!
I'm old enough to remember playing electromechanical pinball machines. There was something about the sounds of the relays and scoreboard gearing that made them more fun. This looks to be one of the better ones. They were obviously not as complex as the more computerized ones that came later. Is there something you can coat the playfield with to protect it from wear? I seem to recall there was something a lot of people used for that in the old newsgroups, but I don't recall what it was.
Thanks for going over the painting process again. I need to do this for my Dealer's Choice. Just haven't pulled the trigger on it. I would have loved to see the customer's reaction to the work. Good work!
Another Job well done! happy to watch great vid again. It's as calming as a Bob Ross vid! you say you're not an artist but you sure have the blues! One remark on the magic eraser you use, i guess it's the same i frequently used, white sponge like blocks, they get the swirl off pretty good but i noticed they are somewhat too abrasive for some uses and dulled the shine. No, you definatly did not ruin it! so another one saved!
Yes you have to be very careful with it, when you're clearcoating it though it doesn't matter too much but you can also take all the paint off down to the primer if you go too hard on it. Thanks for watching, and for the kind words :)
If you have decent images of missing artwork or lettering, or can make them from other places on the board where there is less damage, you can print them out (you will have to scale the image) and then using carbon paper, transfer the lines to the work surface.
Greens and blues are the hardest colors to match because our eyes can see more shades of green and blue then any other color. Starting with a good white primer is key to keep the color from changing from the oils in the wood too.
I'm going to start doing that primer, actually I just recently did when I did some red on a game we're working on at the moment, thank you for the advice and for watching 3rdaxis!
...Just as a question: have you ever considered getting a vinyl-cutter to make lettering masks and such? Most of what you're doing is small stuff, so one of the desktop types that runs A-size sheets would probably work. I'm pretty sure they make vinyl with weak adhesive just for the purpose of being able to remove it without damaging anything afterward.
not sure if you are thinning your paints but it can make using a small brush like that much easier to manipulate and prevent as much overlap. either way big improvement!
You did a good job on that upper pink target and I bet you spent an exorbitant amount of time recreating that “B ADVANCE BONUS” stencil work done, but out of sheer morbid curiosity, I wonder if you could have come close finding a letter “B” sticker at a hardware store or even the place where you bought all the paint? Also, I wonder if you could have printed out “ADVANCE BONUS” in the right font, weight and size on a sheet of clear photo or sticker paper and applied it directly to the playfield, then clear coated right over them to seal them up permanently? For that matter, you could theoretically replace all of the missing or damaged font work or scoring that way? Just my 2 cents, hope I don’t upset you, love your videos, keep up the great work!
Some other people have brought up printing the lettering, I think that would work great if you got it figured out, plus it would be quicker! I'm going to look into it in the future, thanks for watching Oreo!
Yeah...Nah, looks fine... Unless you point out the difference in the orange, it's mostly hidden by the poppers and no punter is really going to notice...just put in the dark corner of the room 😊. Sure as the guy that fixed it your gonna notice any flaws you're not 100% happy with. I'd be more worried about that 'B'...Great sympathetic restoration Ron...you did good. Cheers!
A projector would be great for that. Take perfect artwork and project it down over the playfield. Then you could fill in the gaps. Expensive but fun idea
Has anyone started making something like a full-playing-field vinyl adhesive overlays? Adhesive issues aside, one could sand down the paint smooth, apply whole decal, then top coat with some kind of hard clear coat. Hard part is the digital artistry in capturing/recreating the original design for reproduction. And niche market too, but it would be sharp as a tack when coated and done. This just came to mind since I ordered a giant vinyl wall decal (>3'), so people are printing and cutting huge decals. Oh, and big props on painting straight lines with no masking! Wow!
Yeah that's one of the things you can get away with a little bit of slop and color issues here and there, nobody really notices it unless you point it out or they're experts at it :)
@@LyonsArcade just one thing Joe... Why don't you put on a protector after it's done. I always cut and place on if a game done on refurb... And i mean i made it myself. Not the lasercutted ones.
Dont know if you were aware,but there is a channel on here who uses a lot of your machines in snapshot format for his videos..the unique carpet is the give away ! ;) x
We don't mind, we have people ask us to use video footage a lot and we always agree so they probably asked us if it was o.k. before hand :) Thank you for watching out for us though Hope, you SEE ALL!
I think you did a great job, especially on the center bonus ladder. Some of the world's greatest artists reshaped their brush with their mouth for finer details. Some say the lead and other chemicals in the paint made them crazy. That might just be a myth though. Take a gamble and some day your playfields might be hanging in the Louvre.
When I was a kid, my dad told me this story, that the old watches that had fluorescent paint on the dials, the people that painted those on would lick the brush and all went crazy like you mentioned. I might have to research that :)
And also at least most EM playfield have simple colors. I have a LaserCue that I am touching up and ugh that has so many colors I mean the majority is black but there is several different colors splashed in here and there.
That has a lot of Star Pool layout with drop targets , pop bumpers and center spinner . I take my playfield to Home depot or lowes and have the colors match there machine , then buy quart of each color . The fluorescent type colors they can't do
In the videos of yours that I have seen so far, I have heard you say your brothers first name, but I have not run across any that I have heard you mention your first name so far, I am sure you have in some, but what is it? I have been an electrician for over 30 years, and while I am familiar with relays and transformers and the like, I am not too deep in the electronics portion of things, like the chips that you work on. But watching how you troubleshoot them, you have made me see that perhaps it might not be so difficult after all, and has inspired me to dig a little deeper into learning about them. Thanks for sharing your videos, and giving the little nudge I needed to want to up my own repair abilities up a few notches!🙂
That's basically what i'm trying to do, hey if I can do it anybody can do it :) Thank you for watching John, i'm Ron, my brother is Donnie and the other brother is Joe. see you on the next one!
@@LyonsArcade well nice to meet you Ron. Perhaps if the wife and I are ever up that way (once in a while talks about visiting Charlotte) we might swing over to rock hill and check your store out. Thanks again for replying, and making great repair videos! 🙂
Impressive considering you knocked that out fairly quickly! I say that because I am in the middle my first attempt at restoring a 6M$M machine and I have already invested a significant amount of hours going through the machine and now am in the middle of tackling the playfield. I was wondering if you have had any issues with clear coat damaging the lacquer paint on those older playfields? I have done some research and many of the clears that many of the pro restore guys recommend are no longer available. I plan on shooting it with an auto clear coat. Do you or anyone know of a product that someone has used that doesn't damage the original paint? I would definitely be disappointed if the clear coat damaged the original paint. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Really enjoy and appreciate the videos! They have been a great resource and inspiration to my own attempt at bringing an old machine back from the dead for the very 1st time!
Thanks for the kind words Brandon, I've never shot one with auto clear but I've heard that's the best way to do it. I'm not sure about the interaction with the older paint, the only problems I've ever had were if I didn't get all the wax off the playfield when you clear it it makes the clear not adhere and blister up...
Awesome video man. Definitely B- I mean I have some font making experience, but the center bar is way too fat. Otherwise freakin awesome man. Your paint matching is soo cool. Another boss video!
I swear I saw a video of Tim Arnold saying this was one of his favorite EMs. I also have one, well sort of .. star action, the actual add a ball version according to ipdb. Some very interesting info on this title worth a look at BOM from 74 is like 250$
I haven't figured out yet why Star Action is the add a ball, and this one is also an Add a ball... I guess this one had a kit to make it add a ball, but I don't see how it would work without being add-a-ball either!
Good Job ;) i like that one alot. I use also acrylic colors but i have the problem that yellow doesnt cover on wooden places. What would you suggest me to do?
Quick question, do you know what type and size screws are used to hold down the bottom apron and type and size for the metal arch at the top? Thanks and love the restore videos!
I didn't play many pinball machines. But, I did play one at the bowling alley when I set pins for my grandmother 40 plus years ago. Well, besides the Atari pinball in the 80s at home. Wish I could remember what the machine was called. That one sounds familiar and looks similar. I vaguely remember the part from "Single, double, triple" and down looking the same. The rest looks different. That machine looks great.
Thanks Corvettebob... if you ever get time and want to figure it out, if you go to www.IPDB.org you can look at pictures of every pinball ever. If you figure out the year you played it, you could figure out it must be a game from before that year and maybe track it down. Thanks for watching!
@@LyonsArcade - It's been almost 40 years! They all look the same. lol. Only search criteria I can think of is EM and 1950-1981. Three results: Paddock, Showboat and Texas Ranger. Texas Ranger looks a lot like it where the ball comes out of the chute from the rail. I do remember the tilt sound. It was a loud hammer on wood! I will have to find these three and try them out I suppose.
JOES CLASSIC VIDEO GAMES< what kind of paint are you using? and do you use a color wheel to get the colors close to the original or how do you mix the paint colors?
Looks much better, would like to play it! It is hard when you have a cool game but it just isn't worth it to restore to perfect. I like the pretty good job method. The fun factor is high. How about restoring paint a score reel? I used Windex on one and killed it.
I owned this game back in 99' I bought it from a church that had it in their youth building. They had trouble finding someone to work on it ,so I offered 100.00 to take it off their hands.I took it back home and had it up and playing in about an hour . Its a fun action packed game and a definte must for any home game room
It looks good for sure! I see what you mean about the yellow. Also you can add black to make a color darker white to make it lighter without changing the color hue itself. Also red, blue makes purple. yellow, blue, makes green. Yellow, red makes orange. 3 primary colors are red, blue, yellow. Say you add red to blue to make purple. The color hue will leave blue go towards red and middle of the hue of red and blue is purple the more red you add the color hue will go towards red then black or white will lighten that color or darken it. White black makes grey. I hope this doesnt sound like im being a know it all or anything like that and i dont know if you knew the color wheels or not i was only letting you know if you didnt. I say that in all honesty man.
Imho The difference in tone in the orange works because they're supposed to be spotlights and it looks like shadows in the beam of light. If you didn't know it was redone I don't think the average person would even notice, it looks like it was planned that way.
I'm not sure if you have one. If you have a projector I bet you could super impose a picture of the play field over the actual field and just trace the lines.
JOES CLASSIC VIDEO GAME 1.) What kind of clear coat do you use? 2.) What kind of Wax do you use? I have noticed to use Acrylic Paint, any reasons why you use Acrylic? The Step sequences are use a Magic Maker Eraser on the playfield then use an Acrylic Paint, then use a Clear coat, then use a Wax?
Hi Bill! We just use Krylon spray clear coat, nothing special. We use this kind of wax : amzn.to/2UP84rr and the reason we use Acrylic is because it's easier to remove if you make a mistake, and once clearcoated it's as durable as oil based. Yes your steps are correct, thank you for watching buddy!
@@LyonsArcade ok thanks, because some pinball repair techs say that clear coat and adding wax can ruin the playfield because you can't repaint the playfriend again after its have a clear coat and wax, i guess you can't take off the clear coat and wax onces its applied on the playfriend. Not sure if this is true or not but other youtube videos have said that not sure why.
I hate mylar, either you leave it on and it looks bad or you take it off and it looks bad, LOL We're working on a "Sting Ray" right now and left it on.... it looks alright....
enjoyed the video, as usual. disclaimer: I know nothing about pinball; that said, it occurs to me that it would be pretty straightforward to create a vinyl wrap with digitally restored artwork for a pinball machine play field. that's outside of the scope of what you're doing here, but is that something that people do? or would that change the play characteristics of the game?
People DO, do that. In some instances it's the best way to go, yes it changes how it plays but sometimes it's better to do it. We had a Xenon with a replacement overlay on it, they also make these new 'hard top' overlays that are very thick that go on some. One of the issues you run into is, you can't just make one from a picture because each machine has it's own holes and things for switches, so you kind of need to have a real playfield to make the art file from and to ensure everything lines up right. Then you have other issues like the inserts, etc. for a very famous game (8 ball, Xenon, etc.) it's a good option but unfortunately for a weird game like this nobody's ever heard of the time it would take to make a 1 off overlay nobody else would be interested in buying for their machine wouldn't be cost effective for most of the guys with the ability to create them. Thank you for watching Andre, we appreciate it!
Vinyl wrapping would be a bitch just getting the registration right without accidentally stretching it and I have no clue how you'd solve the lighting issues trying to keep the surface as flush as possible with cutouts. My other thought was coating it in a white primer and spraying it in a polyester clear coat then having it heat pressed from a sublimation print but there's an issue with matching the phosphorescent colors used here.
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Can't see the 4 in 4000
I guess its just small , great job
Great job. I love watching you restore and rescue these old machines. Need to make a trip to your shop soon.
Come on down Mdrailer, we're always working on something!
Nice Work Joe, don't sweat the haters! I really enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks for watching Matthew, we appreciate it!
You are an artist!
You're very kind
It looks beautiful. You made it work with a reasonable budget. Not ruined at all.
Thanks viscountalpha, we appreciate you watching!
I enjoy the HELL out of these videos. Please keep doing it. I love watching the old mechanical pinball machines and the jukeboxes work and get fixed. I love the problem solving. :D
Thanks Paul, that's very kind of you to say. See you on the next one!
I think you've done a fantastic job. I don't think people actually realise the amount of time and effort goes into these machines 👍
It's pretty fun, and we got it a little more presentable so we're happy and the owner liked it !
That looks like a really fun table to play. The "spinner" in the middle is something I haven't seen before. And it plays fast! Great job with the restoration.
Thanks Brokenhalo, we appreciate you checking it out. I've seen that spinner on a few other ones, the companies would invent something like that then use it for a little while on different machines....
I love pinball! I am subscribed because I like to see the different types of machines being repaired and your voice and presentation skills makes it great to watch a long video.
Thanks Aaron, we appreciate you hanging out with us! See you on the next video man.
Having painted a bathroom (all one color), I am in awe that you managed to do that without masking tape
Yeah, everybody's telling me "you should have used masking tape!"
Leave it alone! That looks freakin awesome! I'm glad I found your channel. Makes me want to get a pinball machine.
I'm glad you found us too shortwave, see you on the next video!
Don’t beat yourself up. That playfield looks awesome! You did an amazing job on it!
Thanks Jim, that's very nice of you to say... see you on the next video!
I thought the ol' pinny came up a treat,If I was the owner coming in to pick it up I'd be chuffed. Thumbs up mate!!
Thanks Darren, yes he was very happy with it so it was cool :)
hey ..love that music playing or the video when your taking of playfield parts...THAT JAMS!!!
Very cool Elvis, you can download all of that stuff for free from www.BenSound.com !
Love the sounds of an EM pin! After ball drains, and it starts calculating score. Awesome job!
I've learned so much watching your videos. Thank you for taking the time to film these.
Thanks Bunk we appreciate you watching!
Great video, I enjoyed the relaxing disassembly and painting with the music overlay. I think your paint looks nice, Especially the blue and purple and I bet in person the machines look used in a good way, like a cherished belonging with a history.
It came out pretty good John, thanks for watching!
Looks great... Buuuuut! Just kidding. Nailed it. That smudge technique! Exactly what I need to do for my hurricane in one spot. Thx for that.
Loved the long play vid! Watched start to finish!
Thanks Netropolis, you're the man :)
I hung out at a arcade/laundry mat when I was a teenager. The owners always found extra work for me to do and I once got to touch up a Bally Strikes and Spares pinball. It didn't look as good as your job here but... Thanks for the video.
Hey at least you helped it get a little more life :) Thanks for watching Glen, we appreciate it!
Love your videos..can you show how you clear a playfield after touching up worn spots?
Soo much better then it was. Great job. As someone that worked in an arcade in the late '80s/early '90s to me you did a perfect job. Get it to be presentable and playable without putting 'too much' time and money into the unit. Spend way to much money on the last 5 to 15% to get it perfect only to be dinged up in the next few months by customers (wear and tear). Perfect shape now to go into an arcade and get the heck played out of it.
Thanks MisterMSK, we appreciate the nice words! I agree with you 100% !
I think you did a fantastic job fixing it up, and it will bring joy to it's owner for years to come. And about the negative comments, forget them. You just keep doing you! Now I'm off to find a pinball game to play.
Go for it Trail Camera :) We appreciate the kind words and we'll see you on the next video :)
You did a really great job on this one considering what you started with.
The owner will be impressed I am sure.
Thanks Brendan, we appreciate it!
Thats the fastest EM that ive seen, its a cool game playwise too considering. Great job on the painting it looks excellent.
Thnaks WildernessGames and Arcade we appreciate you watching! See you on the next one!
The end result is more than pretty decent when compared to the initial cosmetic status of that pinball. Kudos Ron !!
Thanks Thierry, we'll see you on the next video :)
Hell ya... you did awsome,most people would have scraped this machine. I think its well worth saving. You film it! I`m probably going to watch it ....keeps me in the mood to fix mine hehe.Oh ya before i forget when you spray your clear what do you use to cover switch contacts and light sockets etc?
Light sockets I just leave the old bulb in, switches i put a little piece of painter's tape on. Easy peasy. Thanks for watching Chris, we appreciate it!
Turned out amazing. Nicely done!
Thanks Charles, we appreciate you checking it out!
I really enjoy your videos, thank you for sharing!
Thanks Morgan for watching, we appreciate the nice words!
Might be worth you looking into those paint pens that are becoming quite popular. They could make doing the black outlines so much easier; Especially the circles.
That's actually what I used to do them on this one, they make really cool acrylic paint pens that are basically the same exact stuff we're using with the brush, works great!
Don't sell yourself short, it looks so much better. The difference is night and day! Great job !
Thanks!
looks great! well done!
Thanks Kieron, we appreciate the kind words. See you on the next video!
looks great, and you definitely didn't ruin it. I'm a big fan of patina so I would have probably been happy with just clear coating what was left
Thanks Michael, that's nice of you to say. See you on the next video!
I'm old enough to remember playing electromechanical pinball machines. There was something about the sounds of the relays and scoreboard gearing that made them more fun. This looks to be one of the better ones. They were obviously not as complex as the more computerized ones that came later. Is there something you can coat the playfield with to protect it from wear? I seem to recall there was something a lot of people used for that in the old newsgroups, but I don't recall what it was.
Some people put mylar on it (like that piece we pulled off) but in the end we clearcoated it to protect it in the future.
Thanks for going over the painting process again. I need to do this for my Dealer's Choice. Just haven't pulled the trigger on it. I would have loved to see the customer's reaction to the work. Good work!
Go for it man, you can do it :)
A fine Job to my untrained eye!! Good Work!
Thanks Andrew, we appreciate you watching... see you on the next video!
I am truly impressed with how it turned out. :) It looks fanfreakingtastic! Great job! I hope the customer feels the same about it. :)
They really liked it :)
Great video and it looks a lot better good job man!!
Thanks Steph Tronix we appreciate you man
Another Job well done! happy to watch great vid again. It's as calming as a Bob Ross vid!
you say you're not an artist but you sure have the blues!
One remark on the magic eraser you use, i guess it's the same i frequently used, white sponge like blocks, they get the swirl off pretty good but i noticed they are somewhat too abrasive for some uses and dulled the shine.
No, you definatly did not ruin it! so another one saved!
Yes you have to be very careful with it, when you're clearcoating it though it doesn't matter too much but you can also take all the paint off down to the primer if you go too hard on it. Thanks for watching, and for the kind words :)
It looks great way better then before
Thanks Parker slu, we appreciate you checking it out!
Looks Great!
Thanks Dan
I meeeeeaan.... It's not horrrrrrrible. Good job.
Lol whiners are the worrrrrst, they make me whine
You did a great job!!!
Thank you Clint!
If you have decent images of missing artwork or lettering, or can make them from other places on the board where there is less damage, you can print them out (you will have to scale the image) and then using carbon paper, transfer the lines to the work surface.
I always forget about Carbon paper, but yes that would have been a lot quicker and more accurate!
Greens and blues are the hardest colors to match because our eyes can see more shades of green and blue then any other color. Starting with a good white primer is key to keep the color from changing from the oils in the wood too.
I'm going to start doing that primer, actually I just recently did when I did some red on a game we're working on at the moment, thank you for the advice and for watching 3rdaxis!
Looks great and seems to play well. I did notice that your "Spinner Scores 10's When Lit" is never lighting up though.
We hadn't replaced the bulbs yet, the bulb was burnt out.
...Just as a question: have you ever considered getting a vinyl-cutter to make lettering masks and such? Most of what you're doing is small stuff, so one of the desktop types that runs A-size sheets would probably work. I'm pretty sure they make vinyl with weak adhesive just for the purpose of being able to remove it without damaging anything afterward.
I usually don't need one, typically we don't have to paint letters or numbers.
@@LyonsArcade Not just for lettering, though - shape masks and outlines, too. Just a thought. :)
not sure if you are thinning your paints but it can make using a small brush like that much easier to manipulate and prevent as much overlap. either way big improvement!
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hey guys thanks for the video,a definate improvement ! well done ! enjoyed this refurb project ! :) x
Thanks Hope for watching, we appreciate it :) You are our only Astral-Seeress, by the way that we have watching that we know of :)
very very nice! My Hobby Lobby changed paint brand and they are $5+ per 2 ounce bottle. Should have stocked up when they were $.79...
That's crazy they went that high! I've actually seen these other ones on sale for $.59 before, it's almost ridiculously cheap but $5 is pretty steep!
You did a good job on that upper pink target and I bet you spent an exorbitant amount of time recreating that “B ADVANCE BONUS” stencil work done, but out of sheer morbid curiosity, I wonder if you could have come close finding a letter “B” sticker at a hardware store or even the place where you bought all the paint? Also, I wonder if you could have printed out “ADVANCE BONUS” in the right font, weight and size on a sheet of clear photo or sticker paper and applied it directly to the playfield, then clear coated right over them to seal them up permanently? For that matter, you could theoretically replace all of the missing or damaged font work or scoring that way? Just my 2 cents, hope I don’t upset you, love your videos, keep up the great work!
Some other people have brought up printing the lettering, I think that would work great if you got it figured out, plus it would be quicker! I'm going to look into it in the future, thanks for watching Oreo!
This is real artistic dedication!! Nice work! 👍👍👍👍
Thanks
I use a lot of craft paint, and I simply paint the top of the cap with the color then write the name onit to make it easier to find/compare.
That's a great idea!
Yeah...Nah, looks fine... Unless you point out the difference in the orange, it's mostly hidden by the poppers and no punter is really going to notice...just put in the dark corner of the room 😊. Sure as the guy that fixed it your gonna notice any flaws you're not 100% happy with. I'd be more worried about that 'B'...Great sympathetic restoration Ron...you did good. Cheers!
Thanks Angus, we appreciate the nice words :)
A projector would be great for that. Take perfect artwork and project it down over the playfield. Then you could fill in the gaps. Expensive but fun idea
I think that would definitely work, like you said though a little bit of a pain to pull off!
GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Elvis, glad you enjoyed it!
Has anyone started making something like a full-playing-field vinyl adhesive overlays? Adhesive issues aside, one could sand down the paint smooth, apply whole decal, then top coat with some kind of hard clear coat.
Hard part is the digital artistry in capturing/recreating the original design for reproduction. And niche market too, but it would be sharp as a tack when coated and done.
This just came to mind since I ordered a giant vinyl wall decal (>3'), so people are printing and cutting huge decals.
Oh, and big props on painting straight lines with no masking! Wow!
Thanks Chris, they DO make those, but like you mentioned it's very niche so they only make them for very popular machines....
nice job.. "it's not horrible, buuuuuut " LOL just kidding , great work with what you had to work with. Had fun watching as usual =)
Thanks OneFoYo, see you on the next one!
The orange just looks like a shadow is being cast by the bumper so looks nature to me!
Yeah that's one of the things you can get away with a little bit of slop and color issues here and there, nobody really notices it unless you point it out or they're experts at it :)
This upload was like watching paint dry :)
LOL
Good job on the medium blue color match. I honestly could not see where the new paint was.
Thank you Yu Wish, we're going to be painting our Flight 2000 pinball machine playfield for Christmas!
Great job!
Thanks Csak!
@@LyonsArcade just one thing Joe... Why don't you put on a protector after it's done. I always cut and place on if a game done on refurb... And i mean i made it myself. Not the lasercutted ones.
Pinball playfield looking good.
It turned out pretty good!
@@LyonsArcade It sure did.
ya done a goood job there buddy , looks great :-)
Thanks Fr1nge, we appreciate you checking it out!
Hey Joe, have you ever tried to print slide decals for stuff like the B ADVANCE BONUS area? That might work out good.
I haven't tried it but I think I might, it would probably be quicker and look better if I can get the black to print dark enough!
Dont know if you were aware,but there is a channel on here who uses a lot of your machines in snapshot format for his videos..the unique carpet is the give away ! ;) x
We don't mind, we have people ask us to use video footage a lot and we always agree so they probably asked us if it was o.k. before hand :) Thank you for watching out for us though Hope, you SEE ALL!
@@LyonsArcade anytime x
I think you did a great job, especially on the center bonus ladder.
Some of the world's greatest artists reshaped their brush with their mouth for finer details. Some say the lead and other chemicals in the paint made them crazy. That might just be a myth though. Take a gamble and some day your playfields might be hanging in the Louvre.
When I was a kid, my dad told me this story, that the old watches that had fluorescent paint on the dials, the people that painted those on would lick the brush and all went crazy like you mentioned. I might have to research that :)
And also at least most EM playfield have simple colors.
I have a LaserCue that I am touching up and ugh that has so many colors I mean the majority is black but there is several different colors splashed in here and there.
Definitely! That's one of the only reasons we can do it, on the more modern stuff touchup takes a real artist, LOL
I’d say a damn amazing job on the painting.
Thank you Thomas, we appreciate you watching!
That has a lot of Star Pool layout with drop targets , pop bumpers and center spinner . I take my playfield to Home depot or lowes and have the colors match there machine , then buy quart of each color . The fluorescent type colors they can't do
That's a good way to do it! Thank you for watching MrSilverballmania!
In the videos of yours that I have seen so far, I have heard you say your brothers first name, but I have not run across any that I have heard you mention your first name so far, I am sure you have in some, but what is it?
I have been an electrician for over 30 years, and while I am familiar with relays and transformers and the like, I am not too deep in the electronics portion of things, like the chips that you work on.
But watching how you troubleshoot them, you have made me see that perhaps it might not be so difficult after all, and has inspired me to dig a little deeper into learning about them. Thanks for sharing your videos, and giving the little nudge I needed to want to up my own repair abilities up a few notches!🙂
That's basically what i'm trying to do, hey if I can do it anybody can do it :) Thank you for watching John, i'm Ron, my brother is Donnie and the other brother is Joe.
see you on the next one!
@@LyonsArcade well nice to meet you Ron. Perhaps if the wife and I are ever up that way (once in a while talks about visiting Charlotte) we might swing over to rock hill and check your store out. Thanks again for replying, and making great repair videos! 🙂
Impressive considering you knocked that out fairly quickly! I say that because I am in the middle my first attempt at restoring a 6M$M machine and I have already invested a significant amount of hours going through the machine and now am in the middle of tackling the playfield. I was wondering if you have had any issues with clear coat damaging the lacquer paint on those older playfields? I have done some research and many of the clears that many of the pro restore guys recommend are no longer available. I plan on shooting it with an auto clear coat. Do you or anyone know of a product that someone has used that doesn't damage the original paint? I would definitely be disappointed if the clear coat damaged the original paint. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Really enjoy and appreciate the videos! They have been a great resource and inspiration to my own attempt at bringing an old machine back from the dead for the very 1st time!
Thanks for the kind words Brandon, I've never shot one with auto clear but I've heard that's the best way to do it. I'm not sure about the interaction with the older paint, the only problems I've ever had were if I didn't get all the wax off the playfield when you clear it it makes the clear not adhere and blister up...
Man, you have a cool profession!
You might think that Bear, but believe me, it's a headache.
@@LyonsArcade Well, you are giving many people entertainment and ideas. My occupation is a headache as well, some days.
Awesome video man. Definitely B- I mean I have some font making experience, but the center bar is way too fat. Otherwise freakin awesome man. Your paint matching is soo cool. Another boss video!
Thanks for watching Ryan, we appreciate it!
Looks great, you're too humble. 👍
Thanks TampaTec!
Great paint job. Not easy!
Thanks Ron, we appreciate you watching!
3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible
Have you tried painters tape to help with your lines?
No, I never thought of that
You are the Bob Ross of pinball 🐵
Lots of happy little mistakes in this one :)
I swear I saw a video of Tim Arnold saying this was one of his favorite EMs. I also have one, well sort of .. star action, the actual add a ball version according to ipdb. Some very interesting info on this title worth a look at BOM from 74 is like 250$
I haven't figured out yet why Star Action is the add a ball, and this one is also an Add a ball... I guess this one had a kit to make it add a ball, but I don't see how it would work without being add-a-ball either!
Good job. Couldn't afford the shipping to the uk else Id be a customer
It is expensive, lots of gas involved! Thanks for watching, we'll see you on the next video!
Good Job ;) i like that one alot. I use also acrylic colors but i have the problem that yellow doesnt cover on wooden places. What would you suggest me to do?
You can paint it white, and then paint the yellow over the white, like it's a primer....
@@LyonsArcadegot it. Thanks alot
Quick question, do you know what type and size screws are used to hold down the bottom apron and type and size for the metal arch at the top? Thanks and love the restore videos!
Out of curiosity, if you were to be painting the back-glass what type/brand of paint would you recommened?
Thoughts on using frog tape for straight lines?
That would probably work pretty good!
I didn't play many pinball machines. But, I did play one at the bowling alley when I set pins for my grandmother 40 plus years ago. Well, besides the Atari pinball in the 80s at home. Wish I could remember what the machine was called. That one sounds familiar and looks similar. I vaguely remember the part from "Single, double, triple" and down looking the same. The rest looks different. That machine looks great.
Thanks Corvettebob... if you ever get time and want to figure it out, if you go to www.IPDB.org you can look at pictures of every pinball ever. If you figure out the year you played it, you could figure out it must be a game from before that year and maybe track it down.
Thanks for watching!
@@LyonsArcade - It's been almost 40 years! They all look the same. lol. Only search criteria I can think of is EM and 1950-1981. Three results: Paddock, Showboat and Texas Ranger. Texas Ranger looks a lot like it where the ball comes out of the chute from the rail. I do remember the tilt sound. It was a loud hammer on wood! I will have to find these three and try them out I suppose.
Looks good touching up a playfield isn't a easy thing to do. I have to touch up my Bally Night EM
JOES CLASSIC VIDEO GAMES< what kind of paint are you using? and do you use a color wheel to get the colors close to the original or how do you mix the paint colors?
We do use a paint wheel sometimes, we just mix the paint with the tip of the brush.
@@LyonsArcade ok thanks
Looks much better, would like to play it! It is hard when you have a cool game but it just isn't worth it to restore to perfect. I like the pretty good job method. The fun factor is high. How about restoring paint a score reel? I used Windex on one and killed it.
I’ve carefully inked them back in with a sharpie before…
@@LyonsArcade what do you use to clean them? I windexed the one and then stopped
I really enjoy your vids guys! Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Thanks Nick, we appreciate it, we'll keep at it :)
I owned this game back in 99'
I bought it from a church that had it in their youth building. They had trouble finding someone to work on it ,so I offered 100.00 to take it off their hands.I took it back home and had it up and playing in about an hour . Its a fun action packed game and a definte must for any home game room
This is the convertible add a ball version of Star Action.
It looks good for sure! I see what you mean about the yellow. Also you can add black to make a color darker white to make it lighter without changing the color hue itself. Also red, blue makes purple. yellow, blue, makes green. Yellow, red makes orange. 3 primary colors are red, blue, yellow. Say you add red to blue to make purple. The color hue will leave blue go towards red and middle of the hue of red and blue is purple the more red you add the color hue will go towards red then black or white will lighten that color or darken it. White black makes grey. I hope this doesnt sound like im being a know it all or anything like that and i dont know if you knew the color wheels or not i was only letting you know if you didnt. I say that in all honesty man.
No you're fine, I appreciate the information, and thank you for watching!
Imho The difference in tone in the orange works because they're supposed to be spotlights and it looks like shadows in the beam of light. If you didn't know it was redone I don't think the average person would even notice, it looks like it was planned that way.
Thanks chefrarestones, we appreciate your kind words, and you checking out the video, see you on the next one!
You've mentioned applying clear coat to some of you playfield repairs. Do you have a video on applying clear coat to a pinball playfield?
Nope, we just spray paint clear coat over it out of a rattle can, nothing to it really...
Does that Silver Strike Bowling have a fanless PC in it?
They had a fan in the case
I'm not sure if you have one. If you have a projector I bet you could super impose a picture of the play field over the actual field and just trace the lines.
I think that would work great!
JOES CLASSIC VIDEO GAME
1.) What kind of clear coat do you use?
2.) What kind of Wax do you use?
I have noticed to use Acrylic Paint, any reasons why you use Acrylic?
The Step sequences are use a Magic Maker Eraser on the playfield then use an Acrylic Paint, then use a Clear coat, then use a Wax?
Hi Bill!
We just use Krylon spray clear coat, nothing special. We use this kind of wax : amzn.to/2UP84rr and the reason we use Acrylic is because it's easier to remove if you make a mistake, and once clearcoated it's as durable as oil based. Yes your steps are correct, thank you for watching buddy!
@@LyonsArcade ok thanks, because some pinball repair techs say that clear coat and adding wax can ruin the playfield because you can't repaint the playfriend again after its have a clear coat and wax, i guess you can't take off the clear coat and wax onces its applied on the playfriend. Not sure if this is true or not but other youtube videos have said that not sure why.
The mylar coming off didn't do as much damage as I thought it wood. Good job overall on this machine, no doubt. Right, screw the haters-lol!
I hate mylar, either you leave it on and it looks bad or you take it off and it looks bad, LOL We're working on a "Sting Ray" right now and left it on.... it looks alright....
Looks wery nice to me 😆
Thanks Danijel, we can always count on you :)
You need to film when the owner comes in to pick it up after the restoration
I would have but unfortunately I wasn't there when he got it :) He really liked it though.
enjoyed the video, as usual.
disclaimer: I know nothing about pinball; that said, it occurs to me that it would be pretty straightforward to create a vinyl wrap with digitally restored artwork for a pinball machine play field. that's outside of the scope of what you're doing here, but is that something that people do? or would that change the play characteristics of the game?
People DO, do that. In some instances it's the best way to go, yes it changes how it plays but sometimes it's better to do it. We had a Xenon with a replacement overlay on it, they also make these new 'hard top' overlays that are very thick that go on some.
One of the issues you run into is, you can't just make one from a picture because each machine has it's own holes and things for switches, so you kind of need to have a real playfield to make the art file from and to ensure everything lines up right. Then you have other issues like the inserts, etc.
for a very famous game (8 ball, Xenon, etc.) it's a good option but unfortunately for a weird game like this nobody's ever heard of the time it would take to make a 1 off overlay nobody else would be interested in buying for their machine wouldn't be cost effective for most of the guys with the ability to create them.
Thank you for watching Andre, we appreciate it!
Vinyl wrapping would be a bitch just getting the registration right without accidentally stretching it and I have no clue how you'd solve the lighting issues trying to keep the surface as flush as possible with cutouts. My other thought was coating it in a white primer and spraying it in a polyester clear coat then having it heat pressed from a sublimation print but there's an issue with matching the phosphorescent colors used here.
@@RBRat3 - disclaimer: I know nothing about vinyl wraps :)