Why Does Everyone Hate Haley?
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Haley would definitely make a "What I do all day as a farmer spouse" tiktok series
"Today I watered the crops!"
(The video pans out over a robust irrigation system.)
@@Leapalot I also fed ALL the animals so my husband can focus on other things!
*camera shows silo autofeed*
"I mended some fences for you"
Massive solid gold clock in background.
"And I filled the cat's water bowl!"
*shows 50 active lightning rods due to storm currently taking place*
Hot
"Hmm... If it weren't for those horrendous clothes you might actually be cute. "
I actually really liked her introductory line, it has more personality that the other candidates who'll just say "Oh you're the new farmer right?".
Another strech is that she thinks I'm PHYSICALLY cute/attractive but my clothes are a big turn-off to her because she's a fashionista 😭
Yeah I honestly love this opening line. Like it almost skews more clueless mean than flat out malicious.I really hate the shoes line but her first one is fun! She’s flirting with the farmer in a terrible way and it’s almost endearing to me. I don’t think of the bachelorettes or bachelors as real people she’s an entertaining character who always makes me laugh or smile with her complaining and whining it’s so silly I jsut love it.
You might be kind of cute if you weren't literally wearing a trash can. 🤔
I find it very interesting that in the first scene you assume that agreeing with Haley would be what makes her happiest, but it's the opposite, the best answer is actually the one when you give her a weekly task, and she accepts easily instead of complaining, and gets angry when you tell Emily to do it because she thinks you don't believe in her ability.
Not me! Take my responsibilities away please! 😅
Hmm... suggests that she's the sort of person who thrives when given a schedule and clear responsibilities. If so, that would make it understandable why she gets angry with the argument over chores. Emily seems more self-directed.
Many super attractive women learn to be rude as a defense mechanism, because if they go around being nice to people they don't know they will have every dude they meet creeping on them. I suspected there was more to Haley from that first back-handed compliment. Very well written character.
This is so true!! Even aside from needing to protect yourself, for a very empathetic person pushing people away from the start can feel easier than rejecting them once they’re already attached
I think the pickle jar scene shows that Haley is open to asking you for help now, even if in a roundabout way, and that when you open the jar, she learns she can trust you, at least subconsciously, that you are someone she can turn to for help, even if it's something little.
Also she could be selling her photography online or something or even blackmailing mayor lewis maybe, I feel like Haley is one of the characters where everything is very subtle and it comes down to how you interpret what little you know about her from the game.
The real question is why can't I blackmail Lewis?!
You can? You need to put the item from secret note #19 in town, and you’ll blackmail him for 750G. Only 750G. He’s not very profitable to blackmail.@@Leapalot
I would honestly rewrite that scene to include her getting frustrated about not being able to do it herself when the farmer does it so easily. It'd tie into her later arc a lot better.
@@Leapalot You can! You do! When you put his underwear on display in the Stardew Valley Fair! It's an implicid threat, if you don't get into first place you reveal where you got those XD
One interesting thing about Haley that I haven't seen with other spouses (admittedly, I haven't married all of them yet) is that, if you divorce Haley, she isn't super-upset with you like the (majority of) the others are unless you keep pestering her. Instead, she acknowledges that you both once had something special and also acknowledges that being with you helped her grow and improve, and she's grateful for that.
Haley seems to be one of the younger marriage candidates. Keeping in mind that she and Emily aren't twins, and they're both of suitable age for the farmer, we can assume she's maybe 20, but I suspect that she's closer to 18 or 19. Given that her parents have been on holiday for two years, that mean that she was still underage when they left or immediately after she became an adult. And you don't decide to go on a multi-year holiday without your underage children unless this is the sort of person you've always been and how you've always neglected that daughter.
And then take into account that their parents are ale to AFFORD to be on holiday for years and years at a time - their parents are rich. This is a rich couple wanting to raise their family in a simple small-town life (given how Emily's like, perhaps they had a crunchy mom). Then when you really look into it, Emily seems to work not because because she enjoys the sociability of it rather than because she needs to earn a living. When you look at Emily's interests and the amount of time, energy and money it costs, she's not self-sustaining her hobbies on that salary - they're both used to just having lots of money from their parents and spending it carelessly.
So what I think the real story behind the story here is;
Emily was all grown up when their parents left. But Haley was still underage. She was still a kid. Its not the first time they've overlooked her, because they're the sort of parents who think giving your kids lots of money and toys makes up for not being there. So Haley takes it for granted that that's just how things are, and spends frivolously because she's been shown that that is *supposed* to make her happy.
But it doesn't make her happy. And she doesn't understand why until the farmer comes into play.
I think this is a solid write up!!
Haley is super-easy to make friends with at the start of the year, just give her Daffodils twice a week and then on her birthday. They're very easy to find and aren't worth all that much, plus they level your Foraging.
You'll have 4 hearts with her by the Spring dance, which means she'll dance with you, further boosting the friendship.
By the time Sunflowers can be grown (one of her favourite gifts), you're likely already at around 6-7 Hearts. Just a few more and you're ready to get hitched.
She has the best character growth as well, where she goes from being the spoiled popular girl to the town mom and her relationship with Emily improves. And unlike Shane, she doesn't go back to her old ways when she gets married.
She has personality and doesn't require gifts that are absurdly expensive/difficult to obtain. Easy S-tier marriage candidate.
I think this is why I don't run into as much mean content. She's snobby to me for like a week and a half because of her early birthday and easy to find gifts. But I get that it would be tiring if you're just talking to her and she's like, "nice shoes loser" every time you see her. 😅
@@Leapalot I understand why the game's pretty limited when it comes to friendship (the game being made by one guy), but it does feel a bit weird to give gifts to the person who just criticizes you every time you pass them by.
I feel like Haley's let down by the system's simplicity. You don't really interact with the villagers beyond their heart events (which requires you to invest in their relationships, something you'll avoid doing if you dislike a character) and they have limited dialogue for the festivals, which is precisely where you'd go to chat and get to know people.
I think the game could've benefited more from events like when you find Linus digging through the trash. There's no trigger for it beyond being in the right place at the right time.
Haley losing her grandma's bracelet could've just been something you stumbled on during the Summer season and finding it would change her disposition towards you, even if your friendship level was still relatively low.
@@LAZERAK47V2 - The Linus cutscene requires at least 50 friendship points, for it not to be raining, and it can’t trigger on the first week of a new game save. So, I think it’s fine for cutscenes to be delegated to friendship level, as it implies a deeper relationship with the character. But I do agree that being able to shove gifts at them to raise friendship and not interact at all does the relationship building a disservice.
Because you can interact with characters beyond heart events-I make it a habit of interacting with characters as much as possible, especially if I’m on a particular run where I want to learn more about them. Haley’s casual dialogue needs more gradual hints of her recognizing that being “brutally honest” (or “rude,” depending on how the comments hit for you) isn’t the best way to connect with someone. Her lack of growth in that aspect is what holds her back for me. I’m glad you’re more charitable, Haley, but I still feel self-conscious around you after that terrible first impression.
I know it would be a nightmare to code, but more reactions to why they love some gifts and hate others could develop their personalities more. Or having some board requests offer insight when you deliver what they’ve asked for. Or even a mechanic where their “friendship points” stagnate if you only give them the same gift too many times in a row.
@@LAZERAK47V2 yea that's the thing, people usually don't dislike hayley after the 6/8 heart scenes, cause they never put in the effort to *get* there in the first place due to not wanting to give what they see as an absolute bitch the time of day needed to move past that
But the easier one is definitely Emily as Topaz and Quartz is really common in the mines if you go there a lot... But I have wasted way too much money buying beer for Shane 😅
I think Haley is a spy for the enemy Gotoro Empire along with Emily. This is why she never works and sneaks about with a camera. Emily works at the saloon to gather information while the villagers are tipsy. The "parents" are NOT in the picture because both women are from different families and it would get awkward trying to keep their stories straight. Haley has to be a brat to strangers otherwise Elliot (a spy sent by the governor to watch the port) would become wise to their ruse.
Wow. I am here for this theory!
This is crazy and I'm loving it except that Emily is too Emily for that to be true, and Haley kind of thrusts herself into public attention what with her snooty attitude and her need to always be Flower Queen.
Spies would keep a lower profile.
In this world, I think greater suspicion would be cast on the farmer himself.
He comes from nowhere, spends a tremendous effort getting to know everyone and often enters their houses when they are not at home and is always searching through their trash.
That guy is so sus.
Haley mostly just takes nature photos tho. I was going to say none of the villagers are really high-profile, but Kent seems like a solid fit! What a coincidence that they happen to live right next door to Kent’s wife and children… 🤔
She's my favorite female marriage candidate but it does bug me that for the fashion heavy girl she never changed outfits lol.
Lol true! Always buying and selling clothes but wearing the same thing every day.
I’m pretty sure there is a portrait and sprite mod that changes the townsfolk’s outfits based on seasons
The ultimate sustainability girlie?
Honestly I think the easiest way to fix Haley's arc so that it would be more satisfying for people is just to have it progress a bit more like Alex's. As in, I think the only thing holding Haley back is not having the apology & acknowledgement part that we get from Alex's arc.
Like, the 2 heart cutscene is a great starting point. She's at her most self-centered and eye roll worthy, but if you choose the right option, she'll acknowledge that her taking on some responsibility is fair and agrees to contribute more. Already, growth is clearly possible for her even if it's only a tiny bit right now.
Now let's say we delete the jar opening nonsense and put the beach & bracelet cutscene at 4 hearts instead. That's a much more natural flow and progression for the player to be like, 'Oh. I guess Haley isn't entirely superficial and unsentimental when it comes to the things she owns. She actually does have some things she values a great deal, and must really love her great grandmother a lot.' Her being super grateful here and giving you a hug will make you think, okay fine maybe Haley isn't all bad. Having the cutscene that makes her dialogue suddenly nicer toward you happen earlier would mean more ppl willing to give Haley a chance and actually get her to six hearts.
Now there's room at 6 hearts for a cutsene that would let the player get to know her better. Maybe she invites us to go shopping in the city with her and we have the cutscene happen on the bus (use those unused alt intro assets or smth). She tells us she's surprised someone would want to leave the city and come to the valley and asks you why. She gives us some insight as to why she focuses on shopping so much, maybe admitting that it is a coping mechanism that helps her fill the hole of aloofness or purposelessness she feels or w/e. Maybe she has a moment of self reflection and realizes she'd like to try to push herself to try new things and go out of her comfort zone too, like we've done by starting our life over in the valley. Then, just like Alex does, she apologizes for being rude and flippant to us when we first met and thanks us for giving her a chance anyway. That'd lead nicely into the cute cow cutscene at 8 hearts, and boom! Problem solved.
Love it!
I love Shane, but I admit that Haley's post wedding scene is probably the best and most character-developing scene, why couldn't Shane's have been something sweet like a participation of his chicken Charlie, or family time with Jas and Marnie?
Sometimes I feel like the player didn't really help Shane from not drinking. For example, Shane's side of the house is disgusting with beer cans all over the floor, If you aren't married but have hearts he's still at the saloon all the time, and his 14 heart event has Marnie worried he's still drinking.
@@spencerallison3196 and his room at Marnie's house is clean, why is it messy with us? I hope they do something about this...
I married Haley in one of my playthroughs and really liked her growth! She made food for the farmer, loved the scene with the cows, she's one of my favorites.
The cow scene always gets me!
I've been thinking about this for a long time, but what if Haley has a shopping addiction because of some problem she had? The way she talks about throwing things away to make room to buy more may not just be a joke, it's not about the things but the feeling people get when buying them, especially in Haley's case as she mentions that she needs to leave the valley to buy her things, so she could use shopping as an excuse to go out and do something different to feel better. But feel better about what? Well, in the game she mentions an important bracelet from a family member who is probably gone at that point, and her own parents have been away for at least two years, so she probably misses them even though she has her sister around since the two are very different and have different schedules and hobbies, never really spending time together. Haley may feel bad about losing these people and feel like she can't count on her sister, especially after finishing school and having nothing to do, she talks about this during her first heartscene, if you choose to make Emily do the task Haley will complain that you're treating her like she's useless or spoiled. Because of this, she buys things to feel good and leave the valley if necessary, but that doesn't help, and she needs to buy more and more, to the point where she thinks about throwing things away just to make room for new ones faster. That's why I like it when her dialogues change a little due to the player's influence, it's something small, but the fact that she mentions that she's going to donate her things is really good because it shows that she started to think about her situation, she even begins to appreciate the city and nature around her more.
I ain't reading allat 🤣
is it ever that serious damn
Ignore the negative comments, I love your passion and this is a beautiful yet sad background story! Really gives her even more character
@@thefaeriesden i ain't reading allat 🤣
I think it would be a creepy detail if the reason their parents never come back is that they died while away and the sisters don't want to tell anyone/talk about it. Yeah, I'm leaning really heavily on the whole "everyone needs therapy" theory here.
This is totally off topic but I love how during the photo shoot the prismatic clothes are still changing color despite it supposed to on a "physical" picture. Like lol of course it's magic properties or whatever can just to that to film photography.
Another thing I'd like to point out is regarding the fact that Emily seems to be the only one working, giving Haley the appearance of being a lazy leech.
This is likely more due to the game's limitations. Haley's a photographer and mentions that she orders her clothes online.
This means that she likely has her own website for pictures and such, kinda like how Leah can sell her art online in one of her 8 Heart event resolutions.
Additionally, it's easy to forget that photography is an integral part of a particular industry that everyone who owns a business wants/needs to get involved with:
Advertising. If Pierre's running a sale, Haley's likely the one who gets called for pictures. Same with Robin, Clint and Marnie (Joja probably has their own contract). She probably also gets more work if Leah tries to make Stardew Valley a destination place for art, as Leah will likely commission Haley to take pictures of her art for advertising purposes.
Tourism is also a big factor with Stardew Valley, with their festivals (especially the Fall festival and the Night Market) attracting people from outside the Valley. Lewis probably has Hayley taking pictures throughout the festival for things like brochures.
We also have to consider living expenses: Emily's hobbies (clothing design, crystals/gems and healthy eating) is likely significantly more expensive than Haley's lifestyle, who's expenses seem to boil down to new clothes and photography materials (film, developer, etc.) Emily even mentions that Cloth is difficult to obtain in Stardew Valley and very expensive. That's not even counting the amount of money she spends on gemstones.
So Emily working at Gus's (PART TIME, might I add) is likely to fund her own interests, similar to how Maru works at the Clinic to fund her gadgets. A part time job at a saloon would never pay enough money to support two adults.
Based on this, I believe it's safe to say that Haley isn't a lazy leech. She *does* do work around the house and, like the video said, prefers if you propose a practical solution to her disagreement with Emily. Remember, this disagreement wasn't due to the fact that she was being asked to do it, but rather that each sister thought it was the other's turn to clean under the cushions, and disagreements like that DO happen when chores aren't clearly delegated.
For Emily, she seems to sell her clothes online, just like what Leah could do, since she has her own computer. She'd likewise be hired to make dresses, outfits and other crafts for events like the Flower Dance or the Fair. Moreover, Emily is also likely the supplier for the Oasis, considering you can buy clothes there and how Sandy is into the clothing business as well.
For the gemstones, Emily doesn't go out of her way to buy crystals often. The only time she spends money on them is on her special quest AFAIR.
She might say the Saloon job is part time, but it's weird that she works 9 hours a day everyday pre-marriage. Gus himself only opens shop at 12.
Haley was my first marriage in the game mostly out of convenience. She likes/loves flowers and those were easy to come by in a first playthrough. Her heart events were sweet, sure, but that 14 heart event really floored me. "Aww, Haley....that's one of the best things I've ever seen." Then she's making food for me, fixing the fences, and watering the plants and animals. I COULD play without Haley, but why would I want to?
Haley is easily a top 5 marriage candidate for me (definitely a top 3). Her events feel very natural to me compared to Shane or Elliott, they feel more out of the blue events. She's always doing something when you run into her, be it trying to open a jar or searching the beach for a bracelet. I haven't married every character yet, but so far she's been my favorite and every time I see her I smile because I know who she'll grow to be if I date her and I love that.
Isn't it great to see that character growth? I love that in a game.
I think for a lot players, each character has an archetype that makes it easy to project onto them. In some cases it can allow for good projection like 'Harvey reminds me of my dorkish husband' or 'my best friend is kinda alt like Abigail' but I think a lot of players have had encounters with Mean Girls who act (and look) a little too much like Haley. I know she gets better, but by the time we get there, I'm tired. I'd rather spend that time talking to anyone else besides the sprite who looks way too much like my school bullies combined. While that might be shallow, I think it's a big reason. The same way people might refuse to date Shane or Sebby because of substance abuse, or Sam cause he feels like a kid. It's hard to ignore our past perceptions in media
I think that's fair! It's hard to fight those ingrained biases, especially when first interactions seem to confirm them! There's kind of a weird place in between casual play and perfection strats where she shines. Because if you don't care about perfection, you'll probably see the mean girl thing and walk away. And if all you care about it getting 8 hearts, you really don't need to talk to her that much. But if you're slowly making friends with everyone I think that's when you'll get more and more of the good dialogue and that's where she does best. But I dunno! 🤷
I LOVE HALEY THANK YOU LEAP
i feel like people see haley talk about wanting to buy new clothes and stuff as her being materialistic or snobby, but liking clothes doesnt make anyone a bad person? i feel like it wouldn't be that uncommon for a girl who lives in a country village to see fashion content online and wish that she had those things available to her, she's just interested in fashion. plus that works with her photography passion, i think in the future she'd probably be a fashion photographer :]
i love haley's dialogue for loved and liked gifts because she seems genuinely really happy. her liked line is '*gasp* for me? thank you!' which honestly could even pass as a response to a loved gift i think, its sweet
like you said, if haley's parents have been gone for 2+ years and she's likely very early twenties, she was really young when they left so it probably did affect her a lot to not have them around, i'd never thought about that but it's an interesting point
and maybe im just being biased now but reading even her early dialogue on the wiki right now i don't think its that bad? shane is much worse and alex is a straight up misogynist to you if you play as a woman so why are we hating on haley so much but not them?
Her low level dialogue isn't super duper mean, but I think it's the kind of snobby, looking down on you kind of vibe that puts people off. It's not that she's telling you that you're worthless, it's that she's making you think it about yourself. That kind of thing! (Also I see people hating on Shane and Alex literally every day lmao)
@@Leapalot ooh really? usually i dont see much about shane or alex but from what ive noticed if someone says that they like them it's generally not questioned as much as when people say they like haley which i find interesting (also personally i like shane but alex is on thin ice LOL)
Personally I see the reason for her and Alex having just a bad impression is because they are the rudest to you out of all the marriage candidates (outside of Shane but he’s a polarizing character for a different reason). And also why people are more forgiving to Alex in comparison to Haley is because Alex has a whole heart event were he apologized for his actions. Haley on the other hand doesn’t have that. So that why I believe she’s more dislike than someone like Alex.
You never heard of a cake walk!? That was a huge staple of any public event at schools or churches that involved kids when i was growing up XD i always ended up taking home a couple things from it. Was lots of fun :D
I knew of the phrase! Just not the event I guess!
I decided to give her a chance in my no farming (no crops/no animals) run, and she's actually a really sweet spouse. I used to hate her, but now she's one of my favorites.
no farm seems fun
what's ur main money maker from this run
Cake walks were a part of my 90's childhood growing up in the sticks in Minnesota. School carnivals and PTO fundraisers utilized them to make a quick buck off the parents of the kids who volunteered to bring a cake. Now days everything has to be store bought because of safety and allergens.
Haley's day-to-day marriage dialogue is also among some of the most caring and loving. All the spouses settle down to become homemakers, but Haley might be the only one who actually genuinely seems to enjoy it. She also cooks more often than any other spouse.
Haley is also the one that gives the most daily board request (next to Clint and Dmitri) so if you keep up with it you will get her up quicker than all the other marriage candidates.
Haley and her super cucumbers requests...
Booba lady said I was almost cute and I took it as a challenge
Me too! I was like, “I’m gonna make you eat those words.” And married her
Whenever she says “nice makeup, or are you even wearing any” I take it as her trying to be nice but doesn’t really know how yet, and it makes me happy :)
Yay! Always loved these videos.
Haley's core issue is one many of the other less popular marriage candidates have - there doesn't seem to be a payoff that tackles what players see as their greatest issue.
Now, yes, Haley learns to be a much kinder person. But she still lives off of Emily and just does what she wants all day. I don't think there is any dialogue about how she helps more around the house, or learns how to cook, or much of anything. Even her best characterization development only occurs at 14 hearts, which is an insane investment. Same issue as Sam, who doesn't seem to resolve character issues until far after the point where players would have already picked someone else.
Apparently, much like Shane, who goes through this arc about getting help for his depression and alcoholism...and it ends with him "drinking" all evening (and still loving beer as a gift).
Obviously, there are game limitations that prevent these changes. But it still feels superficial to a degree when minor issues are addressed without the major ones being resolved.
Compared to, say, Leah, whose major issues are her monetary issues and her creepy ex. And her storyline cleanly resolves with her selling her art (either online or at events) and slugging her ex in the face.
But that's just me being an armchair critic. Lol
Totally! Her schedule, just like everyone else, doesn't really change based on your relationship. Other than that she doesn't hang out with Alex I guess. But! She does try to learn to cook which you can see at six hearts: “I cooked dinner last night. It actually turned out okay! But I did make a huge mess in the kitchen...” She does also mention becoming closer to Emily at 8 hearts, but doesn't do any additional work... 😅
When it comes to first impressions, I don't really think that Shane is as bad as Haley. He mostly just says "Leave me alone" or "What do you want?" which, while yes, it's rude, it's pretty typical from someone drinking alone in a bar. On the other hand, on your *very first* interaction with Haley, she goes out of her way to tell you that you're ugly and your clothes are bad. I'm on yr 6 in my longest playthrough and haven't got past 6 hearts yet!
People say it's just a defense mechanism to keep people away, but you can be defensive without insulting people on a personal level - Shane manages it!
I mean, she only says the clothes are ugly but calls us cute if we weren't dressed like a scarecrow
Tbh the time I played Stardew I originally started romancing her as a joke bc I was playing on a friend' switch while we were drinking and liked how she looked and my friend didn't liked her bc she was mean, but I honestly kept warming up to her and stayed up all night and ended marrying her thanks to a pink cake that I got from a dumpster (classy)
Most of us had to endure a "mean girl" or two when we were young. Of course, if you still are young (like most people playing this game?) maybe your memories of enduring said mean girls are still fresh. Or you're still stuck enduring them in day to day life. Maybe it cuts a little deeper for them when Haley's first impression plays so strongly to that type. "Oh here we go again" etc.
And her best moments are "hidden behind the paywall" so to speak, so if that first impression puts you off, you'll never invest the effort to see them.
But mostly I think it's that Bashing Haley is a meme that's taken on a life and momentum of its own due to so many Stardew youtubers, going back years in some cases, having running gags about how terrible she is. So people just kinda roll with it.
I do think it's tradition at this point! Which is a bummer. But I get the hesitance to interact with someone who matches a difficult/painful IRL person. 😞
If haley has a million fans, then I am one of them
If haley has ten fans, then I am one of them.
If haley has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth.
If the world is against haley, then I am against the world.
personally although I can kinda see why people think that, I'll still pick her each and every time I play through the game
I’ve missed this series
Welcome back! Lol
My one issue with Haley is that she triggers memories of when I was bullied in high school by the “popular, mean girl.” And yes, we see her character development that she’s not as shallow and superficial as she first appeared, but her dismissive, insulting behaviour from when you first met isn’t resolved or apologized for. So, I have to imagine she’s still judgmental and doesn’t see why her approach was/is hurtful. In real life, I could learn to be courteous to my bullies but I certainly wouldn’t want to marry any of them.
Obviously I can separate real life from this fictional character-she isn’t my literal bully-but first impressions tend to speak a lot louder than other interactions. I can acknowledge and value Haley’s development from stranger to letting her guard down with someone special, but it doesn’t necessarily put her at the top of my marriage-candidate list.
For clarity: I think Haley is a well-written character, but not necessarily the best bachelor/ette.
This makes sense! And I like the final note too. She doesn't have to be your best pick to be a well written character!
This is what I came here to comment! She reminds me of the bullies I had in school and I'm sure they've grown up to be well rounded and kinder individuals, but I wouldn't want to be around them today. It's the same thing with Haley-- she definitely has really great writing and development but there are other characters who I like a lot more.
Idk personally as someone who also frequently was bullied and excluded in school Haley has always come across as more blunt/standoffish then deliberately malicious. Maybe its cause i play as the female option, ik her dialogue is different for the female option. Or maybe its because i see myself in her. I also tend to be a very guarded person and sometimes people tell me they thought i was rude when we first met. Im not saying youre like wrong or anything but ive just never really understood where people get the feeling shes being mean to them from.
@@abigailchristenson388 - “If it weren’t for those horrible clothes, you might actually be cute.” As someone who isn’t fashionable and was repeatedly made fun of for how I looked and my interests, these sorts of comments don’t elicit a good reaction. Even if she’s just being blunt, this isn’t the kind of comment you tell someone unless someone asks for an honest opinion.
@@Rikrobat again, that doesn’t read as intentionally malicious to me. I understand youre coming from a place of hurt and im not trying to say your wrong for feeling that way. Is what she said appropriate? Probably not but as i said i am also interpreting her character through a very personal lens. Im autistic and it has taken me my whole life to learn what’s appropriate or not and when to say things and i still mess up all the time. I do my best not to be hurtful but it doesn’t always read like that to others. Haley is still fairly young, about my age (early to mid 20s), and in the cannon her parents clearly havent been there to guide her enough so i could definitely see how maybe she just hasnt been taught enough what is and isn’t appropriate to say and it still figuring that out. I read that comment as her trying in her own way to be helpful, albeit unsuccessful.
Haley should run for mayor of Pelican Town. I actually think she’d be great at it! I wish there was a heart scene that addressed Haley’s lack of occupation. Perhaps she doesn’t have a specific passion for one field and is aimless as a result, and she’s scared that will never change. The Farmer could give her a pep talk, words of encouragement, etc. It would be more meaningful than that pickle jar scene, anyway XD Great video!
To me honest being a stay at home wife on a farm is still a decent amount of work. Like someone will need to clean the house by the end of the day and its not the farmer lets be real.
I was just thinking why someone as detail oriented as CA would make a character like this but like most people I never knew about the 6+ hear scenes and the 180 she takes! It makes a lot more sense now. Great video!
Awe I didn't get notified of this the day it came out! Such a great video series, I'm excited to see all the future videos too ❤
Also, thank you for taking a break on these for your mental health. You're one of the absolute GOATs in the stardew community imo
While I can appreciate her growth, I think they put it far too late in her relationship. If they had done a more gradual shift, and given more signs of her good nature from the get go (even if it's just when she thinks no one is looking, the farmer overhears a LOT of shit they aren't supposed to), people probably wouldn't hate her so much. I just don't have the patience to work with someone from completely rude to me for no reason to friend or love interest. And as others have said, she's far too similar to real life bullies some of us actually had to deal with growing up, and being around her is either triggering or at the minimum even more exhausting than it likely is for people without that kind of history.
This exactly. Her growth feels more akin to seeing she’s not just superficial and does become more charitable-but does she become less judgmental and snobbish towards people she *doesn’t* know? I think there is dialogue that she donates her clothing, so she’s eventually helpful outside her own community, but I don’t recall any moments where she acknowledges how rude and mean she was when we met, and how maybe she shouldn’t treat people that way. Perhaps that’s implied in her character development, but I would have preferred evidence of this self-reflection.
I like the idea of overhearing small bits of kindness. Like there's a facade or something! 🤔 Good points though! Thank you!
im happy to see this series back!
I love haley, she reminds me of a friend i had in highschool who hated me at first but ended up being one of my biggest supporters. People always used to think it was funny that someone so popular was friends with a goth but she was truly lovely and it always makes me want to put energy into haley, even though i havent spoken to that friend in years.
That's super sweet!
i thought you stopped these vids so glad they're back 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for bringing this back. Missed this.
They'll come slower, but I'm going to keep chugging along!
@@Leapalot you have a life besides this. Happy to support your little hobby side project as you say!
Aw yeah! Glad to see this series return!
Haley has grown on me... slightly 😅. The REAL question is why are you bothering Linus at his bush?!
Normalize best friends holding hands while they poo!
@@Leapalot I can't if I cannot believe a Best Friend would want that. 🤣. (Let alone a spouse.)
In a nutshell, she's basically a tsundere.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the 6 heart event sparks a change in Haley, but it's more of a establishment she isn't as shallow as she first came across. Let me go through this one in detail.
First off, it's entirely possible for a player to arrive at the 6 heart event still thinking Haley is just a shallow vapid girl. Her first dialogue to the player is insulting, her two heart event is her being a brat, her four heart event is her being impressed by you opening a jar of pickles with your big hunky arms and realizing there might be some muscle beneath your clothes.
And when I romanced her I kinda checked out on her in game dialogue, and only paid attention when she was talking in cutscenes. I was doing all the romances and Haley was just another in the check list.
And I think Concerned Ape anticipated this, that it is entirely possible that they kinda assume the worst. And my proof of that is that you only lose 30 friendship points if you go with the "Relax, I'll just buy you a new one!" option. That's a pretty rude thing to say, but given that it's Haley and she hasn't given off the best impression so far it's a fair assumption. And CA doesn't want to punish you too badly.
And let's talk about her bracelet, that things got to be so out of fashion right? It's her great-grandmothers. I remember my grandmas jewelry being so old fashioned, and everytime I saw her wearing jewelry as a kid I had to physically resist yelling "Get with the times Granny! The future is now Old lady!", and she was 40' when I was a kid. So imagine how old fashioned her great-grandmas bracelet has to be right?!
This does show us a few things about Haley. She is sentimental, she loves her great-grandma, and she doesn't care how out of fashion the bracelet is. And keep in mind that she has probably been wearing that bracelet the whole time! So this isn't character development, but a reveal of who she always has been.
Also look at the gifts she loves and likes. She loves coconuts and sunflowers because they remind her of summer, she likes fruit salad because she takes care of herself, and she loves pink cakes because she has a sweet tooth. But none of her loved gifts are actually materialistic in any way. And she hates Prismatic Shards! One of the rarest, most beautiful and valuable gems in the game. Even if you didn't personally like it I at least assume you could get some cold hard cash for it to shop for clothes. Yet Haley hates it? I'd say this is a strong argument against her being materialistic.
So yeah I'm not trying to argue that she doesn't go through character development, obviously she does. But I'd argue that her romance is just as much about discovering hidden depth to her that you might have overlooked. And part of what makes her extra intriguing is the parts where it's not clear cut whether or not she has gone through growth or if she was just always like that and you didn't notice.
Like for someone who hates nature so much she sure spends a lot of her time taking nature photos. I'm not saying she doesn't hate the mud or the smells or the nastier parts of nature. But when she falls into the mud in her 10 heart event I'd argue when she just laughs it off it's equally plausible that she hasn't gone through character development, and this is just her showing a side of her you didn't see before. We don't know if this is character development or a reveal of hidden depth you just didn't see, and that's intriguing!
I know this is a haley video and not a Shane video but i think Shane and haley are in the similar boat, "Mean character that gets better overtime but people hate them because of their starting dialogue" but the differences between the two are that haley doesn’t rlly have the huge baggage that Shane has (plus she’s attractive so many ppl like her) and Shane isn’t that, i get so tired on people that hate on Shane because he doesn’t instantly stop being depressed once you romance him and call ppl who romance him fixers because they marry him but most Shane fans don’t want to fix him they want to stay by him while he heals himself and i believe that people who say that are the ones who tried to fix him and realized 8:41 they couldn’t (tldr: shane romancer rants about people who hate shane and brings up haley in there too)
one thing people don’t pick up on is that haley’s liked and loved gifts are all either things you can forage for or cook, besides sunflowers. additionally they’re all things that don’t last a long time at all. it feels like she much more appreciates the effort behind the gift rather than the gift itself. i think it’s a really nice detail, whether or not it was intentional
I was waiting for this video for a while, thx! 🧡
She may have the most growth, but that growth pretty much gets her to the point of finding other aesthetic beauty in the world and a puff piece charity event. She's an arrogant, spoiled brat at the start and for a good while. Why would I put a bunch of extra work in to somebody who doesn't respect me or their family? I'd rather talk to somebody who doesn't treat me like shit just because I have to work for a living and don't dress like a prince.
There were three thing that motivated me
1. My friend (on who owns the switch I played on) didn't liked her bc she was mean and he liked Emily
2.Blonde
3. Alcohol and blonde
Then I got to the bracelet and cow event and I really started liking her, started the save file that night and was already married to her before sunrise, I really liked her married lines
Honestly because I'd never reached even 4 hearts with her I had no clue about her later dialogue. She's kinda just seemed like a bitchy and entitled rich kid. Now that I know about the later heart stuff I don't hate her, just kinda neutral. I do still much prefer the characters who are openly friendly towards you or behave neutral towards you because Shane has 0 reason to trust a complete stranger, and Linus is typically hated by strangers so his caution makes sense. For marriage candidates, I haven't ever made it far enough with each of them to really judge beyond first impressions, but Sebastion reminds me of who I used to be (this is bad), Abigail *somewhat* reminds me of who I am now, Sam is kinda just chill, Alex is... Alex, Penny is a blessing to the community (even if she's about as bland as white bread), Emily works hard and is pretty chill (this is good), and Maru is really cool
I don't hate Haley, but I don't love her either. From what she says, she spends a TON of money on clothes and shoes and earns nothing to pay for it. And she can't even be bothered to do the most insignificant cleaning task. Meanwhile Emily is working long hours at the saloon to "pay the bills" while still doing "the vast majority of work" around the house. I don't know, maybe Haley's parents, who are clearly rich, send her a lot of gifts and ignore Emily altogether. (She certainly fits the stereotype of a rich girl a lot more than Emily does.) Early on, Haley is too snobby or self-absorbed even to talk to you if she's not in the mood. She does soften up pretty quickly with gifts, but other than that cute scene with the cows she's not terribly likeable to me. The lost bracelet scene and her 14 heart event are okay but I don't find either one endearing. All that rigamarole to pay for a few books for two kids? Give me a break, she could sell her last year's wardrobe and buy a new school.
This changed my perspective towards her. I guessed she probably got some growth, but hadn’t seen any for myself. And, I didn’t exactly hold it against her too much, knowing her parents had pretty much abandoned them. But this is an impressive improvement, and it’s heartwarming. I’m glad to see this
I love all your videos so much and I get so excited whenever I see you upload. thank you for always delivering us quality content!
Thank you so much!
I find that Stardew Valley has some of the most accurate responses of NPCs to a new person moving into their small town. Most small towns do greet new people like this.
is this a reupload or something? could swear i have seen this exact video before.
Haley was the first love interest I married on my "casual I have no idea what I'm doing" game run. It struck me even then it was going to be a a scenario where someone starts out shallow and grew more friendly over time.
She's definitely my first. My first marriage on my first save file during my first playthrough. I just felt like she had that character development and I'd like to see that
I did it because it pissed off my friend
I'm still not particular about Hayley due to her first impression on me, but it's probably after helping her find her bracelet that I thought she was alright. Anything can be your hobby, that includes just shopping, so that never bothered me. Though imo the photo cutscene with the cows bothered me more bcs first off that's Marnie's barn, and you shouldn't just approach someone's cows, especially not sit on them, you could hurt them! So bcs of that I don't see that scene as entirely wholesome (but that's just me maybe I just really love animals)
well after all the good luck babe haley edits i think the haley fandom has definitely increased
Haley is my favorite wife! Sam is my favorite husband. Haley's armor is there to keep people at arms length.
She just needs time!
Is this a mod that adds outfits? :0 Or is it from an update? Been a while since I played Stardew haha
It's seasonal outfits slightly cuter aesthetic on nexus!
I actually did a Haley run after a run where I decided it wasn’t worth it past her first heart event and heard she gets better, and something I like is how when I looked up the right answers for her events, I found out you get points when telling her to compromise with her sister and lose them by saying she doesn’t have to. It’s sort of an early hint to how much she truly does love hard work that comes with the farm
She is what we call the 'Tsundere'
"the" tsundere 🤔
When i first played stardew i was really put off by how Rude everyone is in the beginning. Especially whrn youre a new player and they hate the trash gifts you give them. I do love the game mechanic of having to earn/unlock the friendlier side of chsracters. Its just a little intimidating at first. So i usually find long time fans continued hatred of characters based off the beginning of theit story to be missing the point
Haley is best girl and I'll hear nothing against her!! (She really was one of the NPCs I didn't like at first, but I've warmed to her a lot. I really like the theory about her being emotionally distant to protect herself.)
It's been so long since your last character video, that I became single! lmao.
Congrats!/I'm sorry!
8:04 give or take
HOLY COW! I'm on my third playtrough and went for Haley exactly cuz I also went for Joja lol
Wasn't for the achievement tho, I just took this route cuz had lost my second playtrough due some problems with a couple few mods that don't sit well on Android and had just finished the Community Center when that happened, so I kinda got pissed that 40-something hours of gameplay went down the drain 😪
I think I raise Haley's hearts the second after Leah so I knew the heart events pretty early in my play through. It's very heartwarming
Of course the farmer is strong. I mean... whole day he's digging, mining, chopping trees, fighting with a sword. And it's day by day, year dy year. If it doesn't make you strong, then what does?
Haley is my favorite, actually. Makes me sad to see people praise Shane for being cold at first as hot and emo, but when it's Haley it's seen as her just being a bitch.
Haley was actually my npc marriage in my first playthrough. When I got to the ten heart scene I thought I would get more points by choosing the dialog that causes you to just leave without a kiss. I only later learned how that isn't the case.
least favourite haley moment was her saying 'i'd like to go look for shells on the beach' so i gave her a shell and she said 'i hate this'... i have come round to her though. and even if she doesn't try to monetise it like leah and elliot, she has photography as a hobby from the beginning i think?
Reminds me giving Vincent back the clay he gave me for feast of the winter star. He hated it. Come on little bro.
I love Haley! she was my first spouse and she's tied with Leah for being my all time favorite character, I love her character development and I am also just a sucker for characters with more personality than just "welcome to the valley"
Abigail was just easy peasy, she spoke to my gamer heart to a girl. I didn't think it was work to gift/deal with her, Haley was like, NOPE. SDV is such a deep game though, you miss out on taking the easy path.
Haley is the best spouse of those i've 'married' in the game. She's so engaged with the life, and way more engaged about becoming a parent than any of the others so far!
"Cakewalk" originated in the african american jazz culture of New Orleans! couples would dress in their best clothing and parade around (to music) and the winners won .... a cake!
too funny: my husband, daughter and i were doing a multiplayer and he meets haley the first time and says, "she will be mine!" ; ) (ego the size of canada?)
fun video, leap! thanks!
From a valley girl to a "vally" girl, she probably got the most personality growth out of all the girls.
This reminds me of what someone said about Tunderes, that people respond more to a change in attitude than a good attitude. This is why a tundere that's rude or even physically assaults the main character before eventually warming up can gain an audience, because some people care more about that warming process than the fact that the character was willing to physically assault someone because they didn't want to admit to a crush.
In my opinion, the fact that Haley was so *incredibly* lazy that she makes a big deal about cleaning couch cushions when supposedly Emily is doing literally everything else around the house.... That's a BIG deal, and I haven't seen enough from her to convince me that she isn't still incredibly lazy, even if she might have a slightly better attitude about it.
I used to work "part time" at a bar, and my average was 60 hours lol Emily's work schedule sadly checks out
Helay is actually my favorite she is my first wife in my first gameplay 😊
It's all about pre-conceived prejudices, simple as that.
yeaeaeeaaeeasssss we are sooooooo back
Well, we're easing into it at least. 😅
She doesn't come off that mean....She's a tame cartoon of a woman of that type. But even so, she does get nicer so there is that. I think Haley is alright really.
I do like Hailey, and she was the first bachelorette I married in a game, but Penny is by far my favorite.
Idk about everyone else, but it's the immaturity. I don't like quite a few spouses for the same reason, they feel like high schoolers sometimes and I can't handle that.
4:00 I think its a pretty good point, if you date Haley and breakup with her, she gets shocked for a second but then says "beat me to it". She does seem like the type of person to be aloof and have a toxic exterior to not get attached to anyone, and it also seems like her consumerism is some type of cope with her whole valley girl life style as an anchor
I married Haley in my Joja run as well, way back in 1.0. When 1.6 comes out, I'm gonna have to pick Penny and Haley again because I've never seen their spouse events or rooms.
Hoping the wait isn't too long! Haley's room fits best on a beach farm though to me. Not sure about what'll look best with the new one!
I really want to know how Haley keeps bread on the table if you marry Emily and have her move in with you.
Concerning the differences of being rude early game Haley vs Shane:
Shane is a depressed alcoholic who kinda lost his spark in life and [spoiler alert] is even willing to end it all. Through his friendship with the farmer, he learns to appreciate the little things again, like caring for his chickens or giving gifts to Jas to make her happy. He does not do a 100% recovery (no one with chronic depression really does), but that just makes him more relatable. He's mean because he's sad and pushes people away because he is scared of getting hurt and he believes he does not deserve good things (like friendship/romance).
Haley on the other side is mean and superficial for no deeper reason. She just is. Sure, she might miss her parents, but Emily is in the same spot and she's never mean to the farmer. Then Haley kinda sees that there's more to life than clothes and makeup, but there is no deeper understanding of why she changes. She just does. And I feel like this lack of depth (especially when compared to some of the other character storylines) makes her appear flat and shallow.
No hate to the Haley stans obviously lol Personally, her story doesn't really convince me, which is why I never really bother with her.
I think part of that is fair, growth coming out of nowhere is a fair assessment! Her dialogue changes do happen at 6 hearts which is when you can get her beach scene so I always equate them, but they're not locked behind that scene by any means. I will say though, not everyone's struggles are as visible as Shane's. Sam might or might not have ADHD or some other executive dysfunction based on some of his dialogue and personalty traits, but the writing just hints at it. Haley might have an avoidant attachment style based on her parents providing her the physical necessities but not being involved in her life. But again, there are just hints around the edges. Just another take though, and I know it doesn't matter since you'll just marry Harvey anyway. 😅
I like her a LOT more after this video, and i like to imagine after her 6 heart event she does more chores around the house and is more appreciative for emily, kinda like a house-sister instead of a housewife/husband/other. I dont love her sprite though, and while I'm not against modding, i dont like doing it personally, even if i could (i play on switch).
With the modded sprite, she actually seems nicer, i dont know why. Looks dont mstter in real life, but vibes and body language do.
Sorry for the long comment, i get investwd in things
Haley was first waifu. And will remain so in my heart forever
haley's character progression is SO GOOD
I married her with my male lead and she’s an absolute blushing siren sweetheart.
My feelings on Haley as a character are largely apathetic. It could be because I have seen the archetype of the ‘privileged mean girl who warms up to you’ in so much popular media that I have been burned out on it. I feel like characters like these are everywhere and there is little to distinguish them from each other. That, and the fact that I have been demanded to turn the other cheek with so many rude or actively malicious people on so many occasions only for them to never show any signs of depth or maturity despite all of that forgiveness makes the “mean people who have to warm up to you” type to be characters who have to be very carefully and thoughtfully written for me to care about. And Haley is a little too broad strokes in how she is executed to really impress me. She just doesn’t stand out much to me.
She obviously has money if she constantly shops maybe she's a freelance photographer
I wouldn't say I hate her per se, nor is she my least favourite candidate, but for me personally I just saw myself becoming really attached to other characters more so. As some people have said, she can often remind you of a typical high school bully which can be very offputting in a game where you're supposed to be able to (somewhat, mostly) relax away from reality. There is also the fact that the majority of her more noticeable character development isn't until much later and I can definitely understand just not having the right patience to make it there and instead just make life easier with someone else lol. That being said, she is well-written, as some people do take longer to open up than others so I like that about her.
Relax? In Stardew Valley? 😅 For real though, these comments about past interactions with people make sense to me! I agree too, give me some sweetness at like 2 or 3 hearts and I'm hooked.
@@Leapalot Hold on, you're right about the lack of relaxation xD
Haley is my favorite girl, but I agree that her early heart events are lame. I have ideas for better ones.
Make the first one be about Haley and Emily arguing about their parents instead of cleaning the house. They got mail from their parents and Haley is angry because they always gone and she feels lonely. Emily points out that their parents let them live there free and even give them regular spending money. Then you can point out that Emily got a job at the Saloon because she is lonely too. Haley never really understood that before. She apologies and decides to look for her own thing.
Second event can be about Haley cleaning out her closet. She's going to turn it into a dark room. You can volunteer to help her move some heavy things. After that she tells you that she doesn't know what to do with all her old clothes. You can suggest she donate them to charity. Haley likes this idea and admits she feels kind of embarrassed about having so much. From now on she plans to spend her money on new camera equipment.
The big question is in spring first does she have a special marriage dialouge
Haley is a great character and I was shocked when I was talking to some friends about Stardew to find out that all of them hate Haley and I was just so confused because she has some of the best character development and I just couldn't see why they hated her. They then proceeded to tell me that they never bother to actually go through her romance
I can't believe you've never heard of a cakewalk! They're pretty big where I come from. 😂
I've heard of the phrase, but not the event! 😅