Just in case someone beats me to this..... *"OMGZ..it haz deh ESC 864! Itz got teh analog tones. I love the ampz so much watts! Whelen's love Whelen's life"* This seems to be a running gag for me. lel.
Duderocks5539 The 4004 has a round lump thingy and had 400 watt drivers so it can do voice. The Vortex has a square lump thingy and doesn't have 400 watt drivers so it can't do voice.
@@SteelCitySirensandTrains The wires don't snap easily anyways. Originally the 4004 rotates only 364 degrees, than rotates back the other way. So your logic is kinda flawed. They probably set it to 270 degrees because that's where most of the houses were.
@@SteelCitySirensandTrains Yeah. Whelen sirens have a TON of options. You can even play music on them. Whelen offers music for their sirens, as well as chimes and other stuff.
@TheMinecrafter125: This 4004 is an old one that Whelen no longer makes. Whelen makes the new and is same style as the Vortex. This siren has an old control that has old siren sounds, Whelen no longer uses slow wind downs. To also answer your 2nd question, it's probably back then Whelen wanted their sirens to sound like an old 3 phase sirens.
ah. ok. we used to have one of those but then the city came out and replaced it with the new 4004. they changed out the old control with a new one with the new tones. i noticed that the tones were different soooo, yeah. they latest change they made to it was they went in and changed the siren head and changed out the drivers. They also removed the fin attachment for some reason. i dont know why. i think it was because they added an automatic rotator. im not sure though. they also installed one near the town hall that replaced a model 2.
Here's a rather lengthy explanation of it. Old Whelen controllers use an analog design that used a series of circuits with various components to create the tone. They stopped using that around 1994 when they started to switch to their newer digital version of the ESC-864 controller, which was easier to deal with and used a microprocessor and code to generate tones. The long wind down is due to the way the tone generation circuit was designed on the analog version of the 864 controller. Some of the really early 864 panels had a slower wind up, and the one they were using prior to the 864's release had speedy wind downs. Due to their design you could change the pitch of the alert tone on the fly with a potentiometer located on the controller, and they also had logarithmic wind ups similar to the Federal Signal 2001 or 508. The newer one are set to a fixed pitch and have a linear wind up similar to an ACA P-15 or Sentry siren. The "old version" in the title is because of the controls for this siren. The head itself was being produced from, if I remember correctly, 1988 to around '94. It was mainly used for WPS-4004's, however sometime in '94 when the digital 864 was created they released an early form of the Vortex simply labeled as the "404R," which is what all of the "4004's" in Spartanburg County are with the exception of this siren. After this Whelen changed the head of the siren to the more recent design of the Vortex and 4004. About 5 years ago they started producing these heads out of plastic instead of fiberglass. There were also times where the heads were mismatched. Columbus OH has a few newer 4004 heads on analog 864 panels including one that's dual tone. a bunch of their sirens with older heads have newer 864 panels. Interestingly Montgomery, AL also has some older 4004 heads on newer digital 864 panels, I just recorded one last week.
+DJ2226 Somewhere in or around '90-91. City next to me bought theirs in 91, or at least was being promoted at that time whereabouts. I recall vividly seeing literature (as in a brochure/product specs) from an eBay auction several years back that interestingly enough mentions the 4000-4 and -8 sharing the same dimensions as the 3016. I believe that particular print was published around 88-89.
UPDATE: April, 2020. This siren does not work anymore. I tried filming it today and it glitched out, and didn't sound off. The batteries or the controller must be shot.
I like how alert has a softer tone while wail sounds a lot more shrill.
Dallenson alert: kalm wail: GET THE FUCK OUT
Very nice! I have always loved older ESC-864's.
Nice sounding 4004 on an ESC-864 controller!
that alert startup sounded like the whelen had a chopper
how
I guess 3:34 does sound like it. But that's wail...
I love these analog toned whelens
My favorite signal on these is wail
Nothin beats silver street though
Kyle Whetstone How about *Gold Street*
@@Nirvoxide *D I A M O N D S T R E E T*
@@Whyyoutubewhy.. EMERALD STREET!!!
Yep, ESC-864.
5:42 Very much
Ooo they can make it Dual Toned
Yeah!
Just in case someone beats me to this.....
*"OMGZ..it haz deh ESC 864! Itz got teh analog tones. I love the ampz so much watts! Whelen's love Whelen's life"*
This seems to be a running gag for me. lel.
Metta•Phonia *DAT WHELEN SCREAMING ON ALERT DO*
What’s the difference between the 4004 and vortex?
Duderocks5539 The 4004 has a round lump thingy and had 400 watt drivers so it can do voice. The Vortex has a square lump thingy and doesn't have 400 watt drivers so it can't do voice.
At 3:43, it sounds just like Gatlinburg, TN's flood sirens! They also have WPS-4004's. You should go check them out! +TrainsAndSirens1
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This is extremely healthy
Another siren I could try building!
CAL'S ENGINEERING try
Wow this one has the true Attack Signal like the New Whelen Vortex System that Minneapolis MN has
what's the difference between a 4004 and a Vortex
@Madison Hargis: A 4004 has a voice controller. A Vortex does not have a voice controller, just a standard one.
idk why but the wail on this one might be a little better than the newer ones
I heard an RSH-10/Thunderbeam from the City Hall or the Fire Departments
Ahhh my favorite controller made by Whelen. The ESC-864. Nice find!
Yo clay congrats on 6k
OMG WAIL SOUNDS LIKE A 2001 XD
how
yes how
NO 2001 WAIL IS LIKE WHELEN HORNET
BUT THATS NOT 2001
IS LIKE A SOUND OF WHELEN HORNET AND 2001 DC
Nice 4004
by you it's not the reason whelen wps4004 not wail melain attack
Why does it only oscillate 270 degrees?
I guess Spartanburg County wanted it to rotate up to 270 degrees. Or they just don’t want the wires to snap easily.
@@SteelCitySirensandTrains The wires don't snap easily anyways. Originally the 4004 rotates only 364 degrees, than rotates back the other way. So your logic is kinda flawed. They probably set it to 270 degrees because that's where most of the houses were.
@@PlatinumEagleStudios Oh ok. Thanks for letting me know. I was guessing they set it to be like that.
@@SteelCitySirensandTrains Yeah. Whelen sirens have a TON of options. You can even play music on them. Whelen offers music for their sirens, as well as chimes and other stuff.
@@PlatinumEagleStudios Noice. If I get one, I’ll get a 4004 and program it to do analog tones and custom chime that was discontinued lol
0:06 alert 3:06
3:34 wail 6:29
Ok, now im lost. What was the "old version" of the 4004? i mean i can tell the difference but im still kinda confused.
and why does it have such a long wind down?
@TheMinecrafter125: This 4004 is an old one that Whelen no longer makes. Whelen makes the new and is same style as the Vortex. This siren has an old control that has old siren sounds, Whelen no longer uses slow wind downs. To also answer your 2nd question, it's probably back then Whelen wanted their sirens to sound like an old 3 phase sirens.
ah. ok. we used to have one of those but then the city came out and replaced it with the new 4004. they changed out the old control with a new one with the new tones. i noticed that the tones were different soooo, yeah. they latest change they made to it was they went in and changed the siren head and changed out the drivers. They also removed the fin attachment for some reason. i dont know why. i think it was because they added an automatic rotator. im not sure though. they also installed one near the town hall that replaced a model 2.
Here's a rather lengthy explanation of it.
Old Whelen controllers use an analog design that used a series of circuits with various components to create the tone. They stopped using that around 1994 when they started to switch to their newer digital version of the ESC-864 controller, which was easier to deal with and used a microprocessor and code to generate tones. The long wind down is due to the way the tone generation circuit was designed on the analog version of the 864 controller. Some of the really early 864 panels had a slower wind up, and the one they were using prior to the 864's release had speedy wind downs. Due to their design you could change the pitch of the alert tone on the fly with a potentiometer located on the controller, and they also had logarithmic wind ups similar to the Federal Signal 2001 or 508. The newer one are set to a fixed pitch and have a linear wind up similar to an ACA P-15 or Sentry siren. The "old version" in the title is because of the controls for this siren.
The head itself was being produced from, if I remember correctly, 1988 to around '94. It was mainly used for WPS-4004's, however sometime in '94 when the digital 864 was created they released an early form of the Vortex simply labeled as the "404R," which is what all of the "4004's" in Spartanburg County are with the exception of this siren. After this Whelen changed the head of the siren to the more recent design of the Vortex and 4004. About 5 years ago they started producing these heads out of plastic instead of fiberglass. There were also times where the heads were mismatched. Columbus OH has a few newer 4004 heads on analog 864 panels including one that's dual tone. a bunch of their sirens with older heads have newer 864 panels. Interestingly Montgomery, AL also has some older 4004 heads on newer digital 864 panels, I just recorded one last week.
It sounds loud! That echo explains it all!
why does it look like a Vortex
never mind, I know the difference
I wonder if theres a real 4004 with
COLLECTOR RINGS!
DrLukiRudaka Nope
I think it’s at 480 hz Right?
Does this still operate to this day?
+Crafttt Yes, this siren is still active.
+TrainsAndSirens1 I hope they don't replace that 864 controller. Sounds way better than modern controllers. When was it installed?
Crafttt This siren was probably installed in the 1990's.
Ah I see, do you know why it doesn't rotate the full 360 degrees?
Crafttt I am not sure. Either it's a controller glitch/problem or it's set to not rotate full 360.
This siren now works again
I hear that this is dual tone activated
loved the echo.
I love whelen sirens
Wail sounds like an STH-10 siren
Sounds a lot like a low pitch T-128
sounds like 480hz, or a federal signal equinox
Is This like about 10 years old??
+Kasey's Alarms and Sirens Around 20. They sold this style of 4004 from I think 1992-1994 before switching to the newer style.
+DJ2226 Somewhere in or around '90-91. City next to me bought theirs in 91, or at least was being promoted at that time whereabouts. I recall vividly seeing literature (as in a brochure/product specs) from an eBay auction several years back that interestingly enough mentions the 4000-4 and -8 sharing the same dimensions as the 3016. I believe that particular print was published around 88-89.
DJ2226 Ok (this is me, on a new account that i use.)
It’s really odd that it only rotates 270*
It’s because whelens don’t have slip rings/collector rings.
@@US_StormsAndSirensno it’s because they wired the rotation encoder incorrectly
The wail sounds like the Korean air raid siren
Wail sounds like a emerson middle school wps-3016
ESC-864
Sounds like a equinox
Hi trains and sirens one im raymond
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UPDATE: April, 2020. This siren does not work anymore. I tried filming it today and it glitched out, and didn't sound off. The batteries or the controller must be shot.
thats sad. and id say at this point probably 90% of spartanburgs sirens no longer work and wont be getting fixed
The batteries went bad on this siren. That’s why this siren stopped working.
Spckennesaw recorded it and it went off