People have to listen and learn when people are debating. To win a debate is not how truthful you are, but how you are able to explain facts. The is no lying in debate.
Percy was groomed n goes abroad,mailula was also groomed n goes overseas,ofcourse modau from black leopards was improved,lunga,mvala,guys come on the list,modiba,yah Thami can't present pirates which is also doing well of cos,,but killing the spirits also of players n discourage them,,saying ppl r roaming around tembisa yoh bra..
What hurt pirates this season is consistency, injuries to goal keepers and a lack of quality strikers and wing backs, i hope we can fix this problem next season and take PSL trophy from 57 🏆 UP THE BUCS AND ONCE A PIRATES ALWAYS A PIRATES ☠️🏴☠️
I think sundowns must watch how leverkusen unpack a team that plays low block, And sundown is going to be the first team to win two champions league in SA believe that. Can't wait for the club world cup next year
Its just bitter Soweto giants who are irrational when comes to football, they had their chances in early 2000's their leaders only focused on local broadcasting revenue
Sundowns has many obstacles at home before playing CAF competition . They are forced to play too many matches in PSL which results in fatigue. This done deliberately so as to insult them and taunt them as failures . It is done behind the scene .
@@lefachris125 It's means that all Psl teams are still in the same cup competitions like Sindowns...Is it what you are saying according to same games played.
Sundowns guy won this conversation - OP Thami not bringing on fact on the table, this thing is similar to the league we watching. Thami is defensive and have a tone of jealous in his talk.
Pirates played Korean side Llhwa Chunma in the Afro-Asian Championship in 1996. The FIFA Club World Cup was first contested in 2000, then known as the FIFA Club World Championship. This was precede by the CWC in the year 2000 so it was now called Club World Cup after Pirates.
@@lwazisiyaka2287But how is an Afro-Asia tournament a Club World Cup tournament? We need to separate the 2. Pirates never participated in any club World Cup or club championship
Everyone was mocking sundowns when we bought all the top players but won nothing for 8 years but now that we do the same and are winning people are crying Financial Fair Play lol.. How can you.say sundowns don't improve players when currently Sundowns gives players the best chance of going overseas.. Our most recent best exports are from Sundowns.. TAU and ZUNGU.. we still have Mailula who has potential to make it
Not this Tami guy . He doesn't even know how to handle debate. He's galloping living unclear and unresolved issues. He's here and there with no concrete points
Thami...you are emotional and a tipical supporter lets give it to Sundowns they are doing very well...Sundowns learnt from Pirates on how to play in African competitions then they improved it and are be coming better...So lets accept and learn form Sundowns and improve South African football...
There are many Thami's out there. He talk of improved players bt doesn't accept that Khuliso is different, claims that OP coach has improved players when a big team like OP was knocked out of champions league like a small team. This conversation was one sided and like how the other guy represented his team. Nedbank & amaFans Wethu needs to do better when it comes to this conversations for the knowledge of fans to improve.
@Ndabuko I feel sorry for myself after raising my expectations so high thinking that he'd be different because it was now a one on one debate. I mean, the guy can't even differentiate fact from blather.
Lindo get emotional very fast without understanding the question, Thami said sundowns dont improve players because when they leave sundowns and go to others teams they dont show that standard they were showing at sundowns eg Billiat, Dolly, Makgala the list goes on, but he kept on yena using Modau who is still at sunodwns
Sundowns should be a very transparent for their fans to know so much about their team unless these are opinions. Anyway we must not forget soccer is a sport and the players and technical teams gets paid for their efforts while we pay to watch and support them
Please check Thami gore o sharp... thus guy o bua nama fela..😂😂😂 a re Europe when last did they send a player abroad? Pep, tswa mo diman o tlo go tsentsha spirit sa badluck😂😂 Jwaneng did the simple joke 😂😂 yoohhh
Im an orlando pirates fan but honestly sundowns is the one they doing well and they dont lose while we losing Let be fair guys sundowns is a south african number one
Great discussion 😂😂😂 Sundowns is failing to obtain their main objective, which is to win CAF🤝 so they may be the best in SA but in Africa they’ve been dealt a blow a lot !!
First thing is first. Guys know this about life….. Women use emotions and Men use power and that power is Knowledge. Whenever a woman can’t reason or answer shit she start to cry to save herself from humiliation. And also people don’t argue with fools they will drag you into their hole and beat you with experience of stupidity. I’m Sundowns and yes I’m number 1 and we all are as the whole Yellow Nation 👆🏿
There is no debate here,all over the world a team is judge by winning domestic leugue,so how many years Pirates did not win the league,uThami it's good about passionate about his it's good, but even Orlando Pirates supportes they agree.
Am Downs fan but I didn't aware that Mvala was pushed so why he didn't protest then since Oyango was protest against Luanda we seen this Mama's goal was cancelled too by foul made by Mvala himself so y Downs didn't appeal?
Champions League teams at the beginning they usually struggled with reaching the finals of the champions League because of the difficulty that comes with winning it
Now this is Soccer/ Football talk. Educational and informative. Job well done madoda!
Thanks
People have to listen and learn when people are debating. To win a debate is not how truthful you are, but how you are able to explain facts. The is no lying in debate.
You know what, Pirates can discuss with Chiefs, Sundowns is way better and above all.
Can we plz hve a long show of this 2 guys debating
I am a Pirates fan but Sundowns is the best they are consistent
That's a real fan who understand the statistics...thank you
Im for Bucs that's true Sundown is very consistent
@@sabbiestrp3385 True supporter...
But are they growing Players????
@@clementk4650growing players for what?
This conversation was amazing
Sundowns is the best team in PSL by miles and one of the best in Africa 👆🏆⚽️💛👆
Jealous is a problem... sometimes just admit Sundowns is doing well..thats all ... trying to look for loopholes is being shortsighted
By far Sundowns is the best (they are consistent)
Percy was groomed n goes abroad,mailula was also groomed n goes overseas,ofcourse modau from black leopards was improved,lunga,mvala,guys come on the list,modiba,yah Thami can't present pirates which is also doing well of cos,,but killing the spirits also of players n discourage them,,saying ppl r roaming around tembisa yoh bra..
Mailula is not even playing in USA,, don’t even go there
The fact is that Sundowns groomed & sold him for R45m
UThami uthatha amachance angekho akaphole nje iSundowns is the Best Team that's a fact❤
The records are there for everyone to see ,im speaking about consistency ,class and dominance ka bo yellow.for life
Thami with that Tata Nelson Mandela voice. 🤣🤣🤣
Thami we can send you to the world 😅 to represent us 🏆🔥
Danko
The FIFA Club World Cup was formed in 2000, manje who did Orlando Pirates play with? 🤔
Thami just speak good English with zero football knowledge.
@@ndabukodlomo9934His a lies this Thami guy.He doesn't have facts.
He's trying to be relevant yet knows absolutely nothing about soccer He's trying to FastTrack Pirates over consistant sundowns
it started in 1930 jus go do your research my brother thami was spitting facts
Do your research again 😂
What hurt pirates this season is consistency, injuries to goal keepers and a lack of quality strikers and wing backs, i hope we can fix this problem next season and take PSL trophy from 57 🏆 UP THE BUCS AND ONCE A PIRATES ALWAYS A PIRATES ☠️🏴☠️
😂😂Thami you really need help coz Sundowns is hurting you
this thami guy is just good at presenting his theories ...doesnt mean its true..
Thami his emotional 😂😂😂😂
always😂
as pirates fan sundown is the best team so far in southafrica
Master of classwork😂😂😂😂😂
Juju I am also a juju but fifa club world cup was first contested on 2000 so it's not true that we have played in it way before sundowns has.....
He is talking about the game between African and Asian Champs where Pirates was walloped 5 nil!
That was no Club world cup
I think sundowns must watch how leverkusen unpack a team that plays low block, And sundown is going to be the first team to win two champions league in SA believe that. Can't wait for the club world cup next year
No team in European Leagues playing low block defensive tactics, its only here on the African land that teams play Low blocks
Am a pirates fan. I agree with the sundown man in many points so far
His name is Lindo (Pep Gardiola).
The topic here is about MAMELODI SUNDOWNS ....I LIKE IT PHAKAMISA NOMBOLO
Danko! Mqeqeshi..
One love Mzambiya
Bafethu Sundows is the best Tham yekela kucinisa ihloko usibukisa kam simabhakaniya
Exactly. Ndili dawana but lo guy akana points Yu sheim akakwazi TU uku debater.
Thami doesn't knw football
nice heated debate,we need more please
Thank you 😁
I am a lirates fan and i love Thami but this time this guy has facts. He is knowleadgeable and he knows his story.
Great debate, thanks @amafanswethu
nice guys
My man you representing us too well 👆👆👆👆👆👌
This Thami guy said a lot without saying nothing.
Thami is taking chances, this current Sundowns is the best team to ever come from this country
Its just bitter Soweto giants who are irrational when comes to football, they had their chances in early 2000's their leaders only focused on local broadcasting revenue
Sundowns has many obstacles at home before playing CAF competition . They are forced to play too many matches in PSL which results in fatigue. This done deliberately so as to insult them and taunt them as failures . It is done behind the scene .
😂😂😂 they dint play too much matches, they play the same amount of matches as other teams if not less hence they always have games in hand
@@lefachris125 It's means that all Psl teams are still in the same cup competitions like Sindowns...Is it what you are saying according to same games played.
@lefachris125 do u even understand wat dis guy is saying up der?
Sundowns guy won this conversation - OP Thami not bringing on fact on the table, this thing is similar to the league we watching. Thami is defensive and have a tone of jealous in his talk.
Sundowns is the first club to play in the world club even next year will be second time.
It's not Sundowns it's Pirates in 1997.
@@lwazisiyaka2287Don’t lie to yourself. Pirates has never played in a club World Cup.
Sundowns is the first team to play world cup football pirates never taste dat
Pirates played Korean side Llhwa Chunma in the Afro-Asian Championship in 1996.
The FIFA Club World Cup was first contested in 2000, then known as the FIFA Club World Championship. This was precede by the CWC in the year 2000 so it was now called Club World Cup after Pirates.
@@lwazisiyaka2287But how is an Afro-Asia tournament a Club World Cup tournament? We need to separate the 2. Pirates never participated in any club World Cup or club championship
Like it or not Sundowns plays a better football n its always nice 2play against Pirates or Stelies dey r de great competitors
What a heated interesting debate 😅😂
When did pirates play in fifa world club and sundowns do improve player the likes of Mailula is eg
Pirates never player fifa club world cup this guy is lying
Thami speak sense mixed wit jealous.
It was disturbing to watch.
I am a pirates fan kodwa sundowns is dominating far from other teams not only pirates but to are the entire psl team
Come guys, let's be honest, as a pirates supporter I would say sundowns is the best Team, there's no doubt about it
Sundowns is the best, you like it or not
Inkinga yakho ngesundonwns ikuphi bhakaniya kanti uzokhuluma ngesundowns yeka umona broel
Im a Buccaneer but Sundowns is better! Yes are coming right but we lack consistency! Right now Sundowns is the best
Everyone was mocking sundowns when we bought all the top players but won nothing for 8 years but now that we do the same and are winning people are crying Financial Fair Play lol.. How can you.say sundowns don't improve players when currently Sundowns gives players the best chance of going overseas.. Our most recent best exports are from Sundowns.. TAU and ZUNGU.. we still have Mailula who has potential to make it
Ama fans wethu next time u should give this guys 2 hours next time please 😢😢
Bazolwa laba😂😂 2 hours no , no , no iyashisa lendaba yabo
Not this Tami guy . He doesn't even know how to handle debate. He's galloping living unclear and unresolved issues. He's here and there with no concrete points
best debate ever! m sure sundowns fans are afraid of thami he is a manual
If Mamelodi Sundowns failed to win CAF then win it Orlando Pirates or whatever teams i don't mind as long the cup comes to South Africa.
Thami...you are emotional and a tipical supporter lets give it to Sundowns they are doing very well...Sundowns learnt from Pirates on how to play in African competitions then they improved it and are be coming better...So lets accept and learn form Sundowns and improve South African football...
I can see people are enticed by Thami's Englash.Thami's football knowledge is on flight mode.he can't say kaizer chiefs should have played AFL.
There are many Thami's out there. He talk of improved players bt doesn't accept that Khuliso is different, claims that OP coach has improved players when a big team like OP was knocked out of champions league like a small team. This conversation was one sided and like how the other guy represented his team. Nedbank & amaFans Wethu needs to do better when it comes to this conversations for the knowledge of fans to improve.
@Ndabuko
I feel sorry for myself after raising my expectations so high thinking that he'd be different because it was now a one on one debate. I mean, the guy can't even differentiate fact from blather.
So Pirates played Club World Cup...Ndaqala uyiva...Which teams did they face?
Sundowns is the best .
Sundowns is da best team so far
😂but Sundowns this Sundowns that ...😂 The pirates fan doesn't talk about his Club
I love Thami he want to be always right.
Lindo get emotional very fast without understanding the question, Thami said sundowns dont improve players because when they leave sundowns and go to others teams they dont show that standard they were showing at sundowns eg Billiat, Dolly, Makgala the list goes on, but he kept on yena using Modau who is still at sunodwns
Atleast Sundowns reached Semis but Pirates failed to reach even group stages
Bt they are saying best 😢😢 dstv 7seaons not winning even once per 7 seasons what type of best is that
@@JulietMusiiwa I'm still confused,
Sundowns is the best guys😊
Thami is representing pirates fans very well
Sundowns should be a very transparent for their fans to know so much about their team unless these are opinions. Anyway we must not forget soccer is a sport and the players and technical teams gets paid for their efforts while we pay to watch and support them
“Small Club Syndrome ”😢 So much for someone who demands respect that is very disrespectful
Yah Dunusa is doing well!!! That is a fact!! Their team is consistent! Anyway Up The Bucs!
Awu nkosiyam.sundowns
why are we having this debate
Thami do not come and lie.Your Coach Reveiro has said he struggled to penetrate Low Block.He said he doesnt like Low Block
Yah Jose used to cry bout low block that's true and I hated it!!! It's his job to plan against low block but he failed!! Anyway Up The Bucs!!!
This Sundowns guy is stating only facts💥 😂 😂
Hola Thami❤
Angikhumbuli iPirates idlala i-low block.
Sundowns is way ahead of us we just doing our thing with no pressure we don't have Sundowns bag but at least we win trophies
Next time Pirates must send someone who can reason with facts, Thami is obsessed and emotional
Exactly 😅
Sundowns is the best team in South Africa
Please check Thami gore o sharp... thus guy o bua nama fela..😂😂😂 a re Europe when last did they send a player abroad? Pep, tswa mo diman o tlo go tsentsha spirit sa badluck😂😂 Jwaneng did the simple joke 😂😂 yoohhh
Facts is that sundowns is the best team as of now in africa now even in south Africa .
You can tell by the way he stood up that this Thami guy couldn't wait for cameraman to say "time up" 😂 Dankie Sandawana 😂😂
lorch did not go overseas went to sundowns tami aiy uyalahla mfana wam
How many games did pirates loose whe he says the unblock teams?
whats stopping Orlando Pirates from playing CAF Champions League?
We are playing 😂😂
They cant win the league dats y n yet they claim to b de best n i ask myself how come
Pirates Coach confirmed when he conceded when he said that Sundowns "Are a points Machine" meaning he knows Downs is superior.
Coach Reveiro is not jealous and he is always humble
It's really difficult to have a debate with someone who uses his feeling more than the "im being factual" that he is always preaching
Struuu! 😅😂
In my dictionary, that's called hypocrisy.
Thami is the future!!!!!!!!!
Im an orlando pirates fan but honestly sundowns is the one they doing well and they dont lose while we losing
Let be fair guys sundowns is a south african number one
Great discussion 😂😂😂
Sundowns is failing to obtain their main objective, which is to win CAF🤝 so they may be the best in SA but in Africa they’ve been dealt a blow a lot !!
Im KAIZER CHIEFS SUPPORTER AND IM SAYING* IYIBO THAMI DON'T PLAY WITH FIRE ✊ SUNDOWNS IS TOO FAR FROM ALL PSL TEAMS
Thami won the debate
How?
We are not reach the finals because of fatigue we got from PSL,
Sundowns is the best team..
I am a Pirates Super fan... But Sundowns is the best... First team to force A-Ahly low block
Manchester United was dominant years back and now Manchester city sondowns must not forget this wont be long thanks Richman
You can engage with pierats guy ,he reasoning is below par
This pierat fan is a fool of note
Im a Pirates fan but the Sundowns guy makes more sense to me
First thing is first. Guys know this about life….. Women use emotions and Men use power and that power is Knowledge. Whenever a woman can’t reason or answer shit she start to cry to save herself from humiliation. And also people don’t argue with fools they will drag you into their hole and beat you with experience of stupidity. I’m Sundowns and yes I’m number 1 and we all are as the whole Yellow Nation 👆🏿
Thami❤...sandawana ga theeletse neeh....
Mamelodi Sundowns is way more better than Pirates even Olando Pirates couch said it that Mamelodi Sundowns FC is a point machine..👆👆👆
We don't care what the coach said pirates is the best team here we are talking about history not about machine
Some supporters don't except the fact that we are the greatest in Africa and the best in SA...what did some supporters not understand.
There is no debate here,all over the world a team is judge by winning domestic leugue,so how many years Pirates did not win the league,uThami it's good about passionate about his it's good, but even Orlando Pirates supportes they agree.
Am Downs fan but I didn't aware that Mvala was pushed so why he didn't protest then since Oyango was protest against Luanda we seen this Mama's goal was cancelled too by foul made by Mvala himself so y Downs didn't appeal?
Champions League teams at the beginning they usually struggled with reaching the finals of the champions League because of the difficulty that comes with winning it
Great debate guys 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Back door as well 94/95 goggle you will see it for yourself.