Fibonacci = Pythagoras: Help save a beautiful discovery from oblivion

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  • Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
  • In 2007 a simple beautiful connection Pythagorean triples and the Fibonacci sequence was discovered. This video is about popularising this connection which previously went largely unnoticed.
    00:00 Intro
    07:07 Pythagorean triple tree
    13:44 Pythagoras's other tree
    16:02 Feuerbach miracle
    24:28 Life lesson
    26:10 The families of Plato, Fermat and Pythagoras
    30:45 Euclid's Elements and some proofs
    37:57 Fibonacci numbers are special
    40:38 Eugen Jost's spiral
    41:20 Thank you!!!
    42:27 Solution to my pearl necklace puzzle
    The two preprints by H. Lee Price and and Frank R. Bernhart and another related paper by the same authors:
    arxiv.org/abs/0809.4324
    arxiv.org/abs/math/0701554
    tinyurl.com/y6k4eyx5
    The wiki page on Pythagorean triples is very good and very comprehensive
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythago...
    Wiki page on Pythagorean triple trees
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of...
    Mathematica code for the Pythagorean Christmas tree by chyanog tinyurl.com/2z66rfkb
    Geoalgebra app for the Pythagoras tree fractal by Juan Carlos Ponce Campuzano
    www.geogebra.org/m/VU4SUVUp
    Connection to the Farey tree/Stern-Brocot tree in a paper by Shin-ichi Katayama
    tinyurl.com/vmvcs729
    David Pagni (on the extra special feature of the Fibonacci number)
    www.jstor.org/stable/30215477
    Eugen Jost's Fibonacci meets Pythagoras spiral (in German)
    mathothek.de/katalog/fibonacc...
    Bug report:
    06:06 - right circle doesn't touch line (I mucked up :(
    Puzzle time codes:
    11:41 Puzzle 1: a) Fibonacci box of 153, 104, 185 b) path from from 3, 4, 5, to this triple in the tree
    16:02 Puzzle 2: Area of gen 5 Pythagorean tree
    25:55 Puzzle 3: Necklace puzzle
    Some interesting tidbits:
    Jakob Lenke put together an app that finds the route from 3,4,5 to your primitive Pythagorean triple of choice inside the tree. Thanks Jacob pastebin.com/T71NP8Z9
    theoriginalstoney and Michael Morad observed that at 39:28 (last section, extra special Fibonacci) the difference between the two righthand numbers (4 and 5, 12 and 13, 30 and 34, 80 and 89) are also squares of the Fibonacci numbers: F_(2n+3) - 2 F_(n+1) F_(n+2)=(F_n)^2
    Éric Bischoff comments that the trick to get a right angle at 25:40 is popularized in French under the name "corde d'arpenteur". This term refers to a circular rope with 12 equally spaced nodes. If you pull 3, 4 and 5-node sides so the rope is tense, you get a right angle. See article "Corde à nœuds" on Wikipedia
    Various viewers told me what F.J.M. stands for: Fredericus Johannes Maria Barning, Freek, b. Amsterdam 03.10.1924, master's degree in mathematics Amsterdam GU 1954|a|, employee Mathematical Center (1954-), deputy director Mathematical Center, later Center for Mathematics and Informatics (1972-1988) Deceased. Amstelveen 27.06.2012, begr. Amsterdam (RK Bpl. Buitenveldert) 04.07.2012.
    John Klinger remarks that if the four numbers in the box are viewed as fractions, the two fractions are equal to the tangents of half of each of the two acute angles of the triangle.
    Colin Pountney: Here is another piece in the jigsaw. The link to Pascals triangle. It only works for the Fermat series of triples (ie the set of "middle children"). Choose any row in Pascals triangle. Multiply the odd entries by 1, 2, 4, 8, ..... and add to get the top left entry in a Fibonacci box. Do the same with the even entries to get the top right entry. For example taking the 1 5 10 10 5 1 row, we have top left number = 1*1 + 2*10 + 4*5 = 21. Top right number = 1*5 + 2*10 + 4*1 =29. For example taking the 1 6 15 20 15 6 1 row we have top left = 1*1 + 2*15 + 4*15 + 8*1 = 99. Top right = 1*6 + 2*20 + 4*6 =70. Not obviously useful, but it seems to make things more complete.
    Ricardo Guzman: Another cool property of Fibonacci numbers: Take any 3 consecutive Fibonacci numbers: 55,89,144. The difference of squares of the larger two, divided by the smallest, is the next Fibonacci. .... Thus, in interesting ways the Fibonacci numbers are intertwined with the squares.
    CM63: This suggested the attached figure to me.
    drive.google.com/file/d/1yjp6...
    In reply I suggested to extend this picture a spiral using these identities: phi^2=phi+1, phi^3=phi^2+phi, phi^4=phi^3+phi^2 :)
    According to this note on the relevant wiki page tinyurl.com/yv3fnac2 if you take overlaps of the Pythagorean tree into consideration the area of the tree is finite.
    Today's music: Antionetta by Boreís and Dark tranquility by Anno Domini Beats
    Today's t-shirt: google "Fibonacci cat t-shirt" for a couple of different versions. I just bought this t-shirt from somewhere but I think the cat is supposed to be superimposed onto this type of Fibonacci spiral tinyurl.com/2s3p7e3v
    Enjoy!
    Burkard

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  • @johnklinger2868
    @johnklinger2868 Год назад +211

    One neat fact that was left out is that when the four numbers in the box are viewed as fractions, the two fractions are equal to the tangents of half of each of the two acute angles of the triangle.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +50

      Glad you mentioned that one :)

    • @TillerSeeker
      @TillerSeeker Год назад +18

      Yes, John, that is a rather nifty find: u/v = Tan(Atan(Y/X)/2) and (v-u)/(v+u) = Tan(Atan(X/Y)/2)

  • @thephilosophyofhorror
    @thephilosophyofhorror Год назад +530

    Despite serious competition, Mathologer remains the greatest math channel imo ^^ Thanks for another awesome video!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +54

      Glad that you think so :)

    • @Filipnalepa
      @Filipnalepa Год назад +41

      IMO Mathologer perfectly hits the balance between presenting topic in depth and in interesting way. There are other channels more attractive in form, there are channels discussing math deeper, but here I can follow up what's going on, and I want to know where it's going on.

    • @PhilBagels
      @PhilBagels Год назад +23

      I'm not sure I agree, but I'd definitely put it in the top 3.

    • @thedominion6643
      @thedominion6643 Год назад +12

      Top three of NBA all-time best players are completely interchangeable. Same with math RUclips.

    • @DendrocnideMoroides
      @DendrocnideMoroides Год назад +13

      @@PhilBagels what are the other 2? (mine are 3Blue1Brown and Flammable Maths (I would say Flammable Maths produces absolute shit now but used to make the best content ever so I am also ranking him) and 3Blue1Brown's quality has dropped a bit, but it still good but his upload frequency is also low) while Mathologer quality is improving and better than ever

  • @aeschynanthus_sp
    @aeschynanthus_sp Год назад +190

    My father was a carpenter. He built various buildings, and the last one was a cottage where I helped. We checked that the corner was at right angle using the 3-4-5 measurement.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +49

      My father was a civil engineer :)

    • @anteshell
      @anteshell Год назад +24

      Just remember to use multiplied triangle instead of measuring just up to five what ever units you're using. For example measure to 30, 40, and 50. The larger the triangle, the less chance there is for the inevitable measurement error when doing it haphazardly by hand.

    • @FLScrabbler
      @FLScrabbler Год назад +6

      In most cases it would be quicker & good enough - and in some cases better - to use a set square (wie ein Geodreieck) instead. If the walls don't meet at an exact right angle, then perhaps they are not completely straight as they go up either. In this case the measurement ought to be repeated at various heights...

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 Год назад +2

      @@Mathologer
      Hey! So was my uncle!

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 Год назад +6

      @@FLScrabbler
      And then you discover that it's square at three feet off the floor and at no other height.

  • @hydra147147
    @hydra147147 Год назад +173

    24:22 For the 3,4,5 triangle the line connecting the incenter and the Feuerbach point is parallel to the shortest side. Thus, the parent triangle of the 3,4,5 triangle is the degenerate 0,1,1 triangle (and its clear why this construction cannot be taken further).

    • @danielhmorgan
      @danielhmorgan Год назад +19

      degenerate as it seems, does it help to think of 2,1,1,0 as 1.618,1, 0.618,0.382 ?

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +36

      That's it :)

    • @haniamritdas4725
      @haniamritdas4725 Год назад +18

      @@danielhmorgan There's the rub. Answering it from this perspective leads to analysis which apparently leads to centuries of excited confusion lol

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer Год назад +21

      And the parent of the (0,1,1) triangle is the (0,0,0) triangle, which remains its own parent, ad infinitum.
      Addendum: except it doesn't... 🙁 See below.

    • @misterlau5246
      @misterlau5246 Год назад +2

      @@landsgevaer lol man, empty set? With the trivial solution, 0?
      It's better to put a generator with epsilon instead of 0 0 0
      Xd:dx/dt

  • @royalninja2823
    @royalninja2823 Год назад +189

    Regarding the tree puzzle at 15:50: The bottom square's area is 1. The Pythagorean theorem states the two squares attached it share the same total area, so they are each 1/2. The total area so far is then 2, with 1 contributed from the big square and 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 contributed from the small squares. The next level down, the tinier squares attached to one of the small squares has to add up to 1/2, so they are each 1/4. There are 4 of them, so the total area of these squares is 1, and the total area is now 3. You continue down the line, adding 1 to the total area for each iteration of the tree. There are 5 iterations, so the total area is 5.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +43

      That's it :)

    • @yanniking7350
      @yanniking7350 Год назад +9

      Well thought man

    • @vevericac3294
      @vevericac3294 Год назад +7

      @@yanniking7350 its not that hard

    • @BabaBabelOm
      @BabaBabelOm Год назад +5

      Didn’t think to iron out such a simple problem myself, but for those in tow you did good work. 🤟🏻

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo Год назад +1

      I got the same answer, through the same reasoning 😃👍🏻.

  • @johnmeyers1344
    @johnmeyers1344 Год назад +88

    I've been fascinated with Fibonacci numbers and Pythagorean triples since I discovered them when I was about 8. 45 years later you taught me some new things and helped me understand the "why" behind some of what I already knew. Thank you.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +13

      That's great :)

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 Год назад +1

      @@Mathologer Why or how would anyone think of making these connections or manipulations though? Hope you can respond when you can.

    • @johndoe-rq1pu
      @johndoe-rq1pu Год назад +2

      YOU discovered them?? Thank you for your contributions to mathematics!

    • @markdoldon8852
      @markdoldon8852 Год назад +1

      7 y

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@johndoe-rq1pu I think he means he came across them. Of course, I realize your comment is sarcasm, and you knew perfectly well, what he meant. Just thought to point that out.

  • @axisjayy7625
    @axisjayy7625 Год назад +15

    The beauty of the interconnectedness of mathematics

  • @contrawise
    @contrawise Год назад +42

    I am not a studied mathematician by anyone's measure. Yet, I carry away so much from your videos! Thank you so much for your well-constructed presentations. This one was wonderfully startling!

  • @denelson83
    @denelson83 Год назад +12

    My favourite way to calculate primitive Pythagorean triples is to just use Euclid's formula that 3blue1brown showed us, using two coprime integers that are not both odd, and in fact, the two integers you need to run through Euclid's formula to get a specific Pythagorean triple can be found in the right column of the Fibonacci box corresponding to said primitive Pythagorean triple, and this always works for any such box you choose.

  • @jakoblenke3012
    @jakoblenke3012 Год назад +59

    16:00
    I found the area of the tree to be 5, since we have a depth of 5 and for every iteration, the new squares sum up to 1, thus a a tree with infinite iterations has an infinite surface area (still counting overlapping surfaces)

    • @JaceMillerr
      @JaceMillerr Год назад +6

      In general, area of tree of depth x is x.

    • @kevinmartin7760
      @kevinmartin7760 Год назад +14

      What is interesting though is that, as the number of levels goes to infinity, so does the area of the tree, but it never leaves a finite bounding rectangle so it ends up overlapping itself infinitely.

    • @margue27
      @margue27 Год назад +1

      Is there a formula, which takes the overlapping regions into account, and calculates the real visible area?

    • @jakoblenke3012
      @jakoblenke3012 Год назад +1

      @@margue27 I imagine it to be complicated, but I’ll work on it. For n=6 the area is 6-1/16

  • @TigruArdavi
    @TigruArdavi Год назад +26

    Awesome, Mathologer! Another ab-so-lute-ly delightful journey. Apart from its important and most beneficial applications, Mathologer never ceases to amaze with another revelation on how maths has just this amazing beauty and harmony in itsself. This channel is such a gem on YT. ✨Thank you very much, indeed, Sir. 🙏

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +4

      Glad you like the videos so much :)

  • @richardfredlund8846
    @richardfredlund8846 Год назад +27

    11:56 challenge question: The Pythagorean triple (153, 104, 185) corresponding to the box
    [ 9, 4, 17, 13 ]. If you call the children A,B,C, the 153, 104, 185 is the A'th Child of 'CCC'

    • @richardfredlund8846
      @richardfredlund8846 Год назад +3

      @Mathologer another interesting maths fact, ... which i saw originally in a Norman Wildberger video, is that the conic tangents of a cubic or odd degree polynomial don't over lap. Actually he's asked the question if every point in the plane lies on one of these tangential conics and appears not to know. (but actually it fairly obviously follows from what he'd already written on the board. )
      I'm a bit disorganised about keeping records and it was a long time ago I saw it, so it would take me quite a long time to find it exactly. But I did write some python code at the time to generate a picture of the tangent conics which I was able to find and will cut and paste in my next reply.
      I find it rather amazing that these tangent conics map the whole plane and so in some sense any cubic equation represents a mapping from one plane to another which is bijective on the whole plane.
      If it's interesting let me know and I will try and hunt down the original source video.

    • @wyattstevens8574
      @wyattstevens8574 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@richardfredlund8846Maybe Numberphile's "Journey to 3264" would help- that (not the conjectured 6^5) is the maximum amount of tangents for 5 conics.

    • @richardfredlund8846
      @richardfredlund8846 6 месяцев назад

      @@wyattstevens8574the tangent conics of a cubic are quadratics... if you can get the python code to work, then you will see (although that's not a proof ) that they fill the plane. The irony is Wilderberger is pretty close to proving the result (i.e. the information he puts on the board, in the video) but when on of his students actually poses the question, he apparently doesn't know. And it is a rather remarkable result.

    • @richardfredlund8846
      @richardfredlund8846 6 месяцев назад

      @@wyattstevens8574 it's approx min 23 of Tangent conics and tangent quadrics | Differential Geometry 5 | NJ Wildberger (vidoe on youtube)

    • @richardfredlund8846
      @richardfredlund8846 6 месяцев назад

      @@wyattstevens8574 the argument for the cubic : 23:26 every point does have a tangent conic going through it because for any arbitrary error k at x, and non zero coefficient d, there exists an r s.t. d*(x-r)^3 = k . so there is a maping from coordinates x,y to the cubic reference frame, x,r
      to prove the 5th and higher odd power polynomials, probably follow from the fact you can get any y value by inputting the correct x value to an odd order polynomial ( unlike even powers ).

  • @DeclanMBrennan
    @DeclanMBrennan Год назад +25

    This is amazing. Everything truly is connected to everything. I could hardly have been more surprised if Pascal's triangle had also made an appearance. 🙂

    • @jonadabtheunsightly
      @jonadabtheunsightly Год назад +7

      To see how Pascal's triangle relates to all of this, you have to also introduce Euler's constant (the base of the natural logarithm), tau (the ratio between a circle's circumference and its radius in the Euclidean plane), the golden ratio, the zeta function, and the distribution of prime numbers. At that point the only things left to connect are the planck length, the speed of light in a vacuum, quantum chromodynamics, and gravity; and those connections remain undiscovered, last I checked.

    • @DeclanMBrennan
      @DeclanMBrennan Год назад +1

      @@jonadabtheunsightly 🤣

    • @alexanderstohr4198
      @alexanderstohr4198 Год назад +2

      @@jonadabtheunsightly - dig out the totally volatile fine-structure-number and you will advance a good bit.

    • @jesuschristislord4538
      @jesuschristislord4538 Год назад +1

      I'm pretty sure 345 is connected to π. How sure? 110%

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@jonadabtheunsightly Also, those undiscovered connections are physicists’ territory. Mathematicians can’t be arsed to discover them (which is, why they’re still undiscovered, I presume). 😅

  • @iveharzing
    @iveharzing Год назад +4

    Every single video of yours has so many interesting mathematical connections!
    I always get excited while watching them!

  • @sixhundredandfive7123
    @sixhundredandfive7123 Год назад +1

    Whenever I'm finding myself lost or at a dead end with my own mathematical work you seemingly post a video that helps me along my path. Thank you.

  • @danielhmorgan
    @danielhmorgan Год назад +3

    I was moved by this, almost to tears. what a great treatment of a rich subject. Thank you, thnkyu, thku, thx...

  • @alexdemoura9972
    @alexdemoura9972 Год назад +5

    Fiboghoras and Pythanacci, my favorite duo

  • @S.G.Wallner
    @S.G.Wallner Год назад +28

    At first, the fact that the tree contained every irreducible fraction broke my mind. Then all of a sudden it seemed obvious. I can't explain why though.

    • @robertunderwood1011
      @robertunderwood1011 10 месяцев назад +1

      What is the Dedekind cut? How does it relate to this sequence of irreducible fractions

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 8 месяцев назад

      I know the feeling 😅.

  • @BrandonWillWin
    @BrandonWillWin Год назад +19

    I’m stunned. What a sublime concept, especially the animations that produce the cool little fractal trees

  • @robhillen8007
    @robhillen8007 Год назад +2

    After having spent years of my life watching math videos like this one, I've concluded that math only has 3 original ideas and the entire field is just their remixes.

  • @jhrhew
    @jhrhew Год назад +5

    Truly amazing. Finding wonderful hidden connections among the known things.

  • @jollyroger9286
    @jollyroger9286 Год назад +7

    Man I've been waiting FOREVER for someone to bring this up!! This pops everywhere in quantum mechanics, Apollonian Gaskets, Ford Circles, Fractals..You Name it!
    Always had the feeling that the Theory of Everything would somehow be related to this! We need to keep it alive at all costs! THANK YOU!

  • @sidds2004
    @sidds2004 Год назад

    This is the best channel on Mathematics

  • @nilofido411
    @nilofido411 9 месяцев назад +1

    thoroughly enjoyed .... and I will never stop of being amazed and surprised of how a theorem that it's the exception to another has so many dimensions of its own.

  • @lennyvoget8725
    @lennyvoget8725 Год назад +8

    The 153, 104, 185 triple at 12:00 is the box 9, 4, 13, 17 and you get there by navigating right right right and left :)

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад

      Correct :)

    • @cstiger4
      @cstiger4 Год назад +1

      the factors of 153 and 104 made it rather easy!

  • @bot24032
    @bot24032 Год назад +17

    4. The necklace has 12 parts of equal length between the big pearls (? idk), which can be streched into a 3-4-5 triangle to check if an angle is right.
    Ropes like these were used in ancient Egypt to make right angles, though they weren't so cool-looking, just ropes with knots

  • @charliearmour1628
    @charliearmour1628 Год назад

    As always, an excellent video. After watching one of your videos, I'm always left with an unformed thought, like an itch you cannot scratch. I feel we are seeing glimpses of some universal truth that we still cannot see completely or understand. It is a frustratingly delicious feeling. Thank you.

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 Год назад +1

    Very well explained, with those graphics, it's a question of watching this carefully.
    Bravo signore!

  • @wgoode97
    @wgoode97 Год назад +3

    Others have answered already, but the "153² + 104² = 185²" triple has a matrix [9 4; 17 13]. I enjoyed programming this one using Julia. The path to get there from (3,4,5) is right, right, right, left.
    Triples along this path:
    "3² + 4² = 5²"
    "5² + 12² = 13²"
    "7² + 24² = 25²"
    "9² + 40² = 41²"
    "153² + 104² = 185²"
    Thanks for the challenge and the very interesting video!

  • @brahmanandamperuri5721
    @brahmanandamperuri5721 Год назад +3

    Hello sir ,
    Namaste,
    I am big fan of your teaching.

  • @crigsbe
    @crigsbe Год назад

    This is a MUST VIDEO for all professors in mathematics ! ❤ Mathologer makes my retirement very colorful. Thank you very much.

  • @johnrickert5572
    @johnrickert5572 Год назад

    Absolutely stunning. Thank you!

  • @bentationfunkiloglio
    @bentationfunkiloglio Год назад +4

    Best content on The Tube (and elsewhere)!

  • @sinecurve9999
    @sinecurve9999 Год назад +5

    24:13 The location of the center of Feuerbach circle for the 3-4-5 triangle is on the same horizontal line as the incircle, therefore the outlined procedure will produce a degenerate triangle (a line).

    • @bscutajar
      @bscutajar Год назад +2

      So a 1^2+0^2=1^2 triple, which corresponds to the first two terms of the Fibonacci sequence 0,1

    • @calvincrady
      @calvincrady Год назад +1

      @@bscutajar I think that's just a coincidence. If you follow the box construction for the numbers 0, 1, 1, 2 you get a Pythagorean triple 0²+2²=2², and if you try to follow the tree structure none of the three children are our 1, 1, 2, 3 box.

  • @zaprod
    @zaprod Год назад

    This is the most compelling proof I've ever seen. It's truly miraculous as you say.

  • @HatterTobias
    @HatterTobias Год назад

    Interesting stuff, this video and the one about Moessner miracle are some of the most insightful videos I've encountered in RUclips

  • @insertcreativenamehere492
    @insertcreativenamehere492 Год назад +7

    15:58 Since each new pair of squares corresponds to a right triangle with the hypotenuse of the previous square's side length, and due to Pythagoras, the sum of the areas of these squares is equal to the area of the square in the previous generation. Therefore each new generation of squares has a total area of 1. Since there are 5 total generations in this tree, the area of the tree is 5. It's always cool when fractals turn out to have infinite area.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +3

      Yes in terms of the 5. However from some point on (beyond 5) the leaves of the tree start overlapping and then the question is whether there is enough overlap to make the total are covered finite after all. Have to think about this/look it up at some point :)

    • @insertcreativenamehere492
      @insertcreativenamehere492 Год назад +2

      @@Mathologer This is actually a pretty interesting question. It's beyond me at the moment, but I'm sure that there's a very elegant solution somewhere out there.

    • @mrwess1927
      @mrwess1927 Год назад +1

      @@insertcreativenamehere492 would there be more or less overlap if it was translated into 3 dimensions?

  • @jimmy685
    @jimmy685 Год назад +4

    Wow, so this sequence stands as another proof of infinite pythagorean triples! (As the Fibonacci sequence is, itself, infinite) Neat!

  • @didierblasco8116
    @didierblasco8116 Год назад

    What an amazing contribution !

  • @orchestrain88keys
    @orchestrain88keys Год назад +1

    Great stuff!! Thanks for such insightful videos.

  • @AnonimityAssured
    @AnonimityAssured Год назад +7

    Mathologer videos are always such an inspiration to me. I'm no mathematician, but I enjoy a bit of mathematical dabbling. Most of my exploration is what might be called empirical mathematics. In short, I look for patterns without bothering too much about proofs. To test my pattern-finding ability, I paused the video at 29:01, to see whether I could identify the next few members of the family. I got the following:
    9² + 40² = 41²; 11² + 60² = 61²; 13² = 84² = 85²; 15² + 112² = 113²; 17² + 144² = 145².
    The general pattern could be expressed as (2n + 1)² + (2(n² + n))² = (2(n² + n) + 1)², where n is a natural number.
    The pattern for the family shown at 30:12 was even easier to identify. The next few members were:
    63² + 16² = 65²; 99² + 20² = 101²; 143² + 24² = 145²; 195² + 28² = 197².
    The general pattern for this could be expressed as (4n² − 1)² + (4n)² = (4n² + 1)², where n is a natural number.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +2

      Glad you are having fun :)

  • @Ken-no5ip
    @Ken-no5ip Год назад +4

    Im letting this play when I fall asleep so I can have mathematical revelations in my dreams

  • @jkid1134
    @jkid1134 Год назад +1

    Very, very cool stuff. I suspected that old ppt generator would be the mechanism behind this dense and elegant tree. The equivalence between adding two numbers and drawing a triangle remains fascinating thousands of years later. And the circle stuff is pure magic.

  • @karlslavinjak5904
    @karlslavinjak5904 Год назад

    Congretulations! One of your best videos!

  • @Nusret15220
    @Nusret15220 Год назад +12

    Here it is... Another interesting and deep connection between two (seems) "basic" things in Math. Really, this is all about: It's about deep connections, not just like "Did you know that a cup and a torus are equal, technically?". Math is beautiful with all its concepts and etc. what really amazes me are these connections.
    Man, It is such an *art* . It IS worth to spend the entirety of life with Math, really... No matter how it can be challenging sometimes.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +4

      I am living the dream :)

    • @Nusret15220
      @Nusret15220 Год назад +1

      @@Mathologer Yeah, and I wanna live it too.
      *Wait for me sir, I'm on the way.*

  • @gcewing
    @gcewing Год назад +3

    The necklace made me think of the jewel-division problem from an earlier video. I'm now imagining a band of burglar-mathematicians trying to divide a necklace into equal-value pythagorean triples.

  • @MrJepreis
    @MrJepreis Год назад +1

    Wow Mathologer and Standupmath videos on the same day! great work as always! many thanks and respects Mathologer!

  • @Pedritox0953
    @Pedritox0953 Год назад +2

    The videos where calculus, geometry combines are awesome

  • @reekrev
    @reekrev Год назад +3

    I am Dutch and a huge fan of the Mathologer way of explaining mathematics. F.J.M. Barning is Fredericus Johannes Maria Barning, in daily life he was called Freek Barning. He died in 2012.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +3

      Thank you very much for sharing this with me. Anything else you know about him?

    • @willemvandebeek
      @willemvandebeek Год назад

      My condolences and thank you for sharing this, I had been looking for this information myself and failed to find it.

    • @R4ndomNMBRS
      @R4ndomNMBRS Год назад +1

      From a reaction on another comment I found your update in the description with a translation of his info on this website, love your dedication!
      Want to add also: Thanks for bringing wonderful mathematical facts into my life :)

    • @willemvandebeek
      @willemvandebeek Год назад

      @@Mathologer you probably already know this with your German accent, but just in case: "Freek" is pronounced as "Frake" and rhymes with "Lake". Please don't mispronounce the Dutch name "Freek" as "Freak", this would be very wrong.

    • @y.herstein2199
      @y.herstein2199 Год назад

      @@Mathologer Very quickly: he was an employee of the Mathematics faculty of the University of Amsterdam and later onwards was the associate director of the same institute.

  • @KyleDB150
    @KyleDB150 Год назад +4

    Mind blowing
    BTW at 39:25 it looks like these fibonacci-generated pythagorean triples have a pattern you missed: A alternates between 1 over and 1 under B/2, in a similar way to those other families in the tree.
    Makes me wonder what other families of triples can be generated from other sequences compatible with Euclids formula

    • @maxweinstein1537
      @maxweinstein1537 Год назад +3

      This is actually one of a whole family of Fibonacci identities, related to the Cassini identity!
      In this case, what you’ve noticed is the identity (which does hold, so good eye): F(n+2)F(n+1) - F(n+3)F(n) = (-1)^n
      This is best seen as a special case of d’Ocagne’s identity, which has a simple proof (read: short with little algebra autopilot) using determinants. This general identity is: F(m)F(n+1) - F(m+1)F(n) = (-1)^n F(m-n)

  • @beautifulsmall
    @beautifulsmall Год назад +1

    dimensionless pythagoran triples. Its connections like this that feel like foundations rather than amusements. Stunning.

  • @beardymonger
    @beardymonger Год назад

    Love your work! Thank you!

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 Год назад +3

    Master! You have to work a lot to make these awesome animations and it's a demoivre set

  • @seanm7445
    @seanm7445 Год назад +8

    The are of the tree @16:00
    I’m assuming the angle is 45 degrees.
    The side length of the trunk is 1. (1x1=1)
    Focusing on just the first branch we know that the side length is sqrt(0.5). (sqrt0.5 ^2 + sqrt0.5 ^2 =1)
    So the area of one first branch is 1/2 (sqrt0.5 x sqrt0.5). But there are 2 of them so the total area of first branches is 1!
    By similar logic the area of all second branches is 1, and so on.
    Total area of tree =5.

    • @briourbi1058
      @briourbi1058 Год назад +1

      The angle actually doesn't matter! As long as it's a right triangle, the sum of the areas of the 2 small squares is equal to the area of the big square, so the area of each layer is equal to the area of the "root" square: 1 and the total area is the number of layers

    • @seanm7445
      @seanm7445 Год назад

      @@briourbi1058 Thanks!

  • @bens4446
    @bens4446 6 месяцев назад

    You have done a great service in raising this from obscurity.

  • @jusinocasino11
    @jusinocasino11 10 месяцев назад

    This is the coolest most beautiful math video I've ever seen. Thank you

  • @ruferd
    @ruferd Год назад +3

    I'm only halfway through the video but so far I've learned a new geometric fact every 30 seconds. This is absolutely insane.

  • @nejcvranic3421
    @nejcvranic3421 Год назад +6

    11:50
    ab = 153
    2cd = 104
    ad + bc = 185
    For my fourth equation I decided to use the radious of the in circle: ac = r
    I have one small issue that being i completely forgot the formula for the in circle so i made my own:
    I remember how to graphically find the center of the in circle so knowing that I will create 2 function which each draw one of the lines that halve one of the angles of the traingle. Where my functions overlap is the center of the in circle.
    I imagined the triangle orientated as show in the video intro and set the origin of my coordinate system to the most left point of the triangle. My functions draw the lines which halve the alpha and beta angles.
    1. equation: f1(x) = x*tan(alfa/2), alfa = arctan(153/104)
    2. equation: f2(x) = -(x-104)*tan(pi/4) = -x + 104
    Combining f1(x) = f2(x), solution x = 68
    The radious r = f2(68) = 36
    ac = r = 36
    Using the 4 equations I found the 4 variables to be:
    9, 4
    17, 13
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Would it be much easier if I also remembered:
    a+c=d
    c+d = b
    ?
    Yes. Yes, it would have been much easier.

    • @thorntontarr2894
      @thorntontarr2894 Год назад

      I did recall the last two equations but the closed form looked to ugly to solve so I opted for the easy way out using Excel and arrived at your solution.

    • @vladimir_woland
      @vladimir_woland Год назад

      The solution is easier: d = a+c, b= c+d= 2c+a. The second equation from here: 2ac+a^2=153. The second equation from here: 2c(a+c)=104 => c(a+c)=52. Note: 52 = 2*2*13. Consequently c = 2 or 4. Then a = 24 or 9. The first equation is true if c = 4 and a = 9.

  • @antosandras
    @antosandras Год назад +1

    Observation: At 27:17 you ask "Are there any isosceles triangles with integer sides?", and then prove to the negative. But you already touched this earlier mentioning that the incircle does not touch the excircles. For a right-angled isosceles triangle, the incircle would touch an excircle in the midpoint of the hypotenuse.

  • @rogerdudra178
    @rogerdudra178 Год назад

    Greetings from the BIG SKY. Even when I get old I find I enjoy a puzzle.

  • @cauchym9883
    @cauchym9883 Год назад +4

    I was thinking about that Pythagorean triple tree. If one associates going straight with a 1, going left with a 2 and going right with a 3, then one can encode every primitive Pythagorean triple (PPT) with a rational number between 0 and 1 in base 4 as follows:
    0 corresponds to (3,4,5), 0.1 to (21,20,29), 0.2 to (5,8,17), 0.3 to (5,12,13), 0.12 to (77,36,85) and so forth. That way one gets a 1-1 correspondence with the finitely representable base 4 numbers between 0 (included) and 1 that do not contain the digit 0. The three families of PPTs correspond to the numbers 0.11111..., 0.22222 and 0.3333...
    I wonder if one can get anything geometrically meaningful with that correspondence.
    Can one interpret the periodic or irrational numbers as interesting infinite paths/families of PTTs in the tree?
    What about interpreting numerical manipulations like multiplication of 0.1111 with to to get 0.2222 in terms of the associated PTTs?

    • @KanaalJo
      @KanaalJo Год назад +1

      Nice idea! Similar to the base 3 representation of the Cantor set? If you present it like this, why not put them in Sierpinski's gasket?

  • @dl9ar245
    @dl9ar245 Год назад

    Toll erklärtes RUclips Video. Ein echtes Highlight. Danke.

  • @SaturnCanuck
    @SaturnCanuck Год назад

    Thanks for this. Always love your videos on a lazy Sunday afternoon

  • @seanm7445
    @seanm7445 Год назад +3

    @24:20 is a little tougher
    I think if you try to take it’s parent you get a square of 1,0,1,0
    So I suspect the Feuerbach centre is directly on the incircle.
    In other words you get a 0,0,0 pythagorean triplet.
    Which... works? For some definition of work!

    • @bscutajar
      @bscutajar Год назад +1

      You get a 1^2+0^2=1^2 triple.

  • @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
    @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498 Год назад

    Excellent, thanks. You put so much work and I will be ver so grateful for your explanations

  • @leofranklin84
    @leofranklin84 Год назад

    As always, you continue to amaze

  • @jacksonstarky8288
    @jacksonstarky8288 Год назад +7

    Question for Mathologer: Why does the Fibonacci sequence start with 1 1 and not with 0 1 ? I'm guessing it has something to do with the reputation had by zero at the time Fibonacci discovered his sequence.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +5

      Actually, some people start the sequence: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, ... . The 1, 1, start is very natural in a number of different ways, but the 0,1 start is also perfectly fine in my books. Of course, you can also extend the sequence beyond 0 as far as you wish ..., -3, 2, -1 , 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, ... and so infinitely many more starting pairs are possible :)

    • @misterlau5246
      @misterlau5246 Год назад +2

      As long as you have the intervals, you also can go not only zero but negative numbers.
      It's not the "number" but the interval.
      If you can do a linear transformation, then you can get out of negative zone just by summing a number, like if you start at - 1, just add 2 and you will be in positive area, while keeping intact the intervals

    • @jkid1134
      @jkid1134 Год назад +1

      Where did the first baby rabbit come from? 🤔

    • @JohnDoe-ti2np
      @JohnDoe-ti2np Год назад +1

      If we let F_1 = 1 and F_2 = 1 then we have the wonderful fact that gcd(F_m, F_n) = F_gcd(m,n) where "gcd" stands for "greatest common divisor." If we let F_1 = 0 and F_2 = 1 then this formula doesn't look as pretty any more. But if you like, you can let F_0 = 0 and then you can start the sequence with 0 if you want.

    • @jacksonstarky8288
      @jacksonstarky8288 Год назад

      @@jkid1134 That's an excellent analogy. At some point its ancestors weren't rabbits anymore, and that's where we leave the natural numbers: at 0 and the negative integer extension of the sequence. 🙂

  • @martinmontero3517
    @martinmontero3517 Год назад +4

    GENERAL FORMULA for puzzle 11:54:
    Using the information from the video and Poncelet's Theorem, I managed to create some formulas to calculate the elements of the box from any Pythagorean theorem.
    If the box is distributed like this:
    A B
    D C
    And Pythagoras like this:
    C1^2 + C2^2 = H^2
    We can find the elements of the box as follows:
    X = H +_ sqrt{ H^2 - 2*C1*C2 }
    Y = C1 + C2 - H
    A = sqrt{ (C1*Y)/X }
    B = sqrt{ (X*Y)/(4*C1) }
    C = sqrt{ (C1*C2^2)/(X*Y) }
    D = sqrt{ (C1*X)/Y }
    So, for the problem 153^2 + 104^2 = 185^2:
    X = 136 or 234
    Y = 72
    But only x = 136 gives us integers so:
    A = sqrt{ (153*72)/136 } = 9
    B = sqrt{ (136*72)/(4*153) } = 4
    C = sqrt{ (153*104^2)/(136*72) } = 13
    D = sqrt{ (153*136)/72 } = 17
    Clearly, the solution could be reached with the tree going 3 times to the left and then to the right, but this method is much longer especially with large sides of the right triangle. In the same way C and D are not necessary to calculate because for the Fibonacci series it is only necessary to add the two previous ones, but it also seemed useful to me to have a general formula. Added to this, something curious is that since I use a quadratic equation to solve for X, we have 2 solutions, only one of which is integer, but the decimal one still works.

  • @phiarchitect
    @phiarchitect Год назад +1

    The true gift in the gift to your wife would be the ability to create a right angle any time she pleased. Very thoughtful of you.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад

      I am just such a thoughtful guy ... :)

    • @phiarchitect
      @phiarchitect Год назад

      @@Mathologer You are definitely a thoughful guy. This video is prime evidence. I have been peering into the golden ratio / fibonacci for a while and never heard any of these relationships.

  • @jakobthomsen1595
    @jakobthomsen1595 Год назад

    Stunningly beautiful!

  • @seanm7445
    @seanm7445 Год назад +3

    Here’s my answer for @12:00
    9,4,13,17
    And you go Right, right, right, left

  • @KaliFissure
    @KaliFissure 8 месяцев назад

    This needs a geometric treatment.
    This insane matrix process had given us every rational under 1 and simultaneously every Pythagorean triple.
    Mind blown 🤯

  • @sankarsana
    @sankarsana Год назад

    Excellent! Math and math videos are a treat. Thanks Mathologer.

  • @ffggddss
    @ffggddss Год назад +2

    Another gem!! Here's a little side-note --
    At 28min+, where you go into approximating √2 with PRT's that have legs that differ by 1 (b = a+1), you can get "best" rational approximations by adding the legs and using the hypotenuse as denominator (this amounts to averaging the two legs):
    √2 ≈ (a+b)/c = (2a+1)/c = (2b-1)/c
    For the 3-4-5 PRT, this gives √2 ≈ 7/5
    For the 20-21-29 PRT, this gives √2 ≈ 41/29
    For the 119-120-169 PRT, this gives √2 ≈ 239/169
    All of these are solutions of the Negative Pell's Equation for N = 2:
    (num)² = 2(denom)² - 1
    which makes them "best" rational approximations of √2.
    Fred

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss Год назад +1

      Drat! Looks like I lost my "heart" by editing in some extra explanation. :-(

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +1

      @@ffggddss We cannot have that. Just gave you two hearts back :)

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss Год назад

      @@Mathologer Beaucoup thanx for all 3 hearts!
      And for churning out such marvelous videos!

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss Год назад +1

      One more tidbit - that relation involving 4 consecutive Fibonacci numbers (≈40min) can be boiled down as follows.
      Decrement the indices [i.e., replace n with n-1 throughout], then put all four of them in terms of the middle two:
      F[n-1] F[n+1] + F[n] F[n+2] = F[2n+1]
      (F[n+1] - F[n]) F[n+1] + F[n] (F[n] + F[n+1]) = F[2n+1]
      F[n]² + F[n+1]² = F[2n+1]
      Which may be a bit more familiar to Fibonacci aficianados.

  • @sapegrillansa9531
    @sapegrillansa9531 Год назад

    Glad i found this, i'm going to explore everything on this channel! Looks fantastic! thanks :-)

  • @mandaparajosue
    @mandaparajosue Год назад

    Thank you. Absolutely beautiful.

  • @alexandrebaz4765
    @alexandrebaz4765 Год назад

    Amazing!!! Thank you so much!

  • @ericlester3056
    @ericlester3056 Год назад

    This is an incredible topology of harmonic relations!!

  • @kmjohnny
    @kmjohnny 9 месяцев назад

    Fibonacci and Pythagoras are now teaching me how to think inside and outside the box.

  • @e11e7en
    @e11e7en Год назад

    Madness. I’m absolutely blown away

  • @jursamaj
    @jursamaj 8 месяцев назад

    I just revisited this video, and found something interesting. Take the construction in the intro section, with 4 sequential fibonacci numbers 'bent' into a square. If you put in any sequence of 4 *fibonacci-like* numbers (a, a+b, 2a+b, 3a+2b; not necessarily integers; the 1st 2 don't even have to be in ascending order), you still get a right triangle, and all the math works to find the sides, area, incircle, and excircles. For instance:
    (3,4,7,11) -> (33,56,75)
    (2/√2, 3/√2, 5/√2, 8/√2) -> (8,15,17) [I'm pretty sure √2 is the only divisor that still yields a pythagorean triplet.]
    Only certain sequences of 4 fibonacci-like numbers will yield pythagorean triplets. An easy way to find them: use an integer sequence of co-primes. If the 1st number is even, divide the result by 2.
    Example: (20,21,41,62) -> (1240,1722,2122). Divide by 2 -> (620,861,1061).
    Edit: Incidentally, according to mathworld.wolfram.com, Dujella 1995 already noted this relationship of sequences of 4 consecutive fibonacci numbers & pythagorean triplets. Oh, and much of what I said here was covered later in the video.

  • @05degrees
    @05degrees Год назад +2

    This all indeed is very neat! 🎄🧡 This triple tree reminds me of a tree of Markov triples a bit, though their constructions aren’t at all analogous.

  • @bennyloodts5497
    @bennyloodts5497 Год назад

    So many alien tricks: keeps me wondering! Fascinating and mindblowing stuff.

  • @matthewschellenberg8969
    @matthewschellenberg8969 Год назад

    This was one of the best videos yet!

  • @adamnealis
    @adamnealis Год назад

    Wow. Simple maths, but mind completely blown. Easily one of my favourite episodes. So, so beautiful.

  • @ridefast0
    @ridefast0 Год назад

    Just WOW. Again. Last time it was odd numbers summing to square numbers. Thanks.

  • @valentinmihairusu6643
    @valentinmihairusu6643 Год назад +2

    Wow, this is so fascinating. To answer your challenge 9,4,13,17 and from the root you gotta go right 3 times then left once. Previous group is 1,4,5,9. Had so much fun!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +1

      That's great. My mission is accomplished as far as you are concerned then :)

  • @andersstrksonberge2874
    @andersstrksonberge2874 Год назад

    Wow Amazing 😀
    Mind blowing visuals!

  • @mitchwyatt9230
    @mitchwyatt9230 Год назад

    Fantastic video!!!

  • @realcygnus
    @realcygnus Год назад

    Nifty as always !

  • @dcterr1
    @dcterr1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Like all your videos, I love this one and I learned lots of useful information as well! In particular, I'm quite intrigued by the ternary tree construction of PPTs. In 2012, I published a paper in The Fibonacci Quarterly entitled "Some Interesting Infinite Families of Primitive Pythagorean Triples", in which I describe four infinite families of PPTs all involving Fibonacci and Lucas numbers, as well as the three you mention in this video, corresponding to the left, middle, and right paths through the tree. Now I suspect the other four families in my paper correspond to other simple paths through this tree, most likely involving a repeating finite sequence of left, middle, and right moves up the tree. This leads to several interesting questions. For starters, what's the correspondence between these repeating patterns and the resulting infinite families of PPTs? Furthermore, as in the cases you illustrate here, do the resulting right triangles each converge on a single one, and what are the proportions [a:b:c] of these limiting right triangles? Now I'd very much like to write another paper, or perhaps a series of papers, in which I try to answer these questions. If you'd like, you can collaborate with me! Let me know if you're interested. If so, we can exchange emails.

  • @johnrichardson7629
    @johnrichardson7629 Год назад

    This is the sort of math I love. Thanks for saving this result from obscurity!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад

      It's great to be in a position where I can do something like this :)

    • @johnrichardson7629
      @johnrichardson7629 Год назад

      @@MathologerVery glad that you are in that position and use your position to enlighten us all while promoting the work of people most of us would never know about.

  • @tahamuhammad1814
    @tahamuhammad1814 Год назад

    I would really like to thank you as your previous videos on fibonacci sequence, fibonacci-like sequences and the strand puzzle made me follow a deep rabbit hole and led me to discover a super generalisation of the fibonacci numbers with similar properties, I generalised the Binet formula and many fibonacci identities and used them to find general integer solutions to infinitely many pell-like equations all super fun
    Oh and I'm particularly waiting for the video you promised at the of the strand puzzle video

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад

      That's great. Glad you are enjoying the videos so much :)

  • @colinpountney333
    @colinpountney333 Год назад

    As soon as I read the Lee Price paper I thought this discovery deserves to be better known, and I could visualise those dancing circles. Thanks for sharing in such an engaging way.
    PS the top pairs in the Fibonacci boxes of those middle children form a series in which each pair is equal to twice the preceding pair plus the pair before that. Like the Fibonacci series the general term can be expressed in closed form. The counterpart to phi is one plus or minus the square root of 2.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Год назад +1

      Thanks again very much for alerting me to this nice topic :)

  • @hylens5111
    @hylens5111 11 месяцев назад

    Some of this stuff is just incredible.

  • @wyboo2019
    @wyboo2019 Год назад

    im about to start driving but the connection between these numbers and those circles makes me a little excited about a possible connection between fibonacci and pi

  • @ArtSeiders
    @ArtSeiders Год назад

    Super interesting and well explained

  • @jsmunroe
    @jsmunroe Год назад +2

    For any two integers a and b, you can find a Pythagorean triple with (a² + 2ab; 2b² + 2ab; a² + 2ab + 2b²). These won't always be primitive triples, unless of course you pick 2 consecutive numbers out of the Fibonacci series. What is more the GCD between a and be will be a factor of the GCD of the triples. This is as far as I've gotten, but it is fascinating.
    I hadn't gotten to the proof section yet when I left this comment. I was playing in Excel.

  • @chesterwiki2808
    @chesterwiki2808 Год назад

    Another neat fact: adding along the TL to BR diagonal in the original sequence of boxes gives a member of the Lucas series 1,3,4,7,11,18.... Subtracting 1 from each of them gives a series of numbers 0,2,3,6,10,17.... if the nth member of this sequence (forgetting the zero) devided by n is an integer then n is prime. So there is an ordered subset of boxes and right-triangles which have a unique prime number associated with them - probably been spotted before - but that Pythagorean tree has got some prime fruit on it.

  • @intellectualandcreative2717
    @intellectualandcreative2717 Год назад

    I know a lot of Pythagorean triples and I know how to calculate them and I notice that at infinity the series of triangles converge to a straight line. I have figured out how to calculate two kinds of Pythagorean triples; but THIS is very interesting! There are new Pythagorean triples I have never heard of before featured in this video