@@captainunderpants200 Senna came up with that quote after doing exactly what we see in this video; lunging into a nonexistant gap and crashing. He did it a lot.
That last one... The guy dive bombed from a different area code, was a full car width off the apex he was never going to make, hit the leading car in the DOOR, and then had the nerve to suggest it was the leading driver's fault?? Look, the red mist happens to everyone, but don't be a dick. The Lime Rock clip was nonstop hilarity!
I remember commenting on the last one in the Reddit. People tried to tell me that the leading car was to slow and brake too much and therefore it was their fault. 😅
The FIA consistently lets F1 drivers get away with the 'i do dumb thing to get a wheel alongside, now you jump aside or we crash' type of crap. So it's to be expected it infects sim racing, too. If someone only watches F1 and sees that kind of stuff being accepted, well, why wouldn't they think they can do it. Unfortunately.
And considering F1 is the most mainstream racing series in the world, A LOT of people are "learning" that you can bully someone out of their racing line if they don't want to have a massive crash on a daily basis
F1 driving standards are trash, but people should know better than imitate it. F1 has always had dirty drivers, Senna 'going for the gap' is a good example. It turns out competitive people who believe they are destined to be world champions aren't level-headed in their judgements, go figure.
I don't think it's F1 at all. It's a generic attitude in a certain type of driver, you see this in real life all the time. The guy in a German wanker mobile speeding on the motorway who can't wait a few seconds for traffic to clear so they overtake on the inside, flashing and beeping at people. The dumbass in an oversized black shitbox who can't park correctly so ends up blocking three spots. What F1 does is almost justify that behaviour, but those behaviours already exist, F1 just gives people an excuse. Every journey I take I see at the very least one incident like this. People don't give a shit about anyone except for themselves anymore, it's got so bad now, that 'ruthlessness' in sports people is lauded by the media as the way to success, or that billionaire dipshit is lauded as a Messiah because they 'ruthlessly' lay off a few hundred people claiming they don't work hard enough...
'Resafe Joinly', put that on a shirt Jimmy! Also that incident at 3:50 was hilarious! I think that might be my favourite wreck out of all these Sim Racing Steward videos so far! 😂
For the NASCAR Watkins Glen clip (8:14), my opinion as someone who has grown up with NASCAR and the "rules" of stock car racing, is that the first bump into T1 was fine. The doorslam, well he just pulled a Danica Patrick and took himself out instead of his target, so all fair there
the bump into t1 was fine, but in no universe was it "blocking" as the trailing driver was alleged to have called it. the lead driver braked on the normal racing line and turned in at the normal turn in point
I hate people who blame you for that 1:30 type of move. They always try to excuse it by telling you should've checked your mirror and move out of the way. Like, no, I'm already turning in, I shouldn't have to constantly make sure somebody isn't about to hyper divebomb for a gap that's closing, especially if they're just gonna overshoot the corner.
Exactly. As a karting marshal myself, I'd judge that if you're not alongside by the time someone ahead has turned into the corner... It's not your corner. Full stop. That way, at worst 95% of the time, the culprit who pulls sth like this knows they don't have a leg to stand on.
I know the video already has 2 RESAFE JOINLY moments, but I think Jimmy missed the chance at 09:30 with Ollie's clip to point out that Ollie did NOT RESAFE JOINLY!!
i know you're joking, but ollie was crashing, not rejoining. an out of control car sliding/flying across the track is never a car failing to rejoin safely.
It's only because of ticket warriors and a distinct lack of immediate consequence for crashing. The rule irl is that the boldest driver wins. In NASCAR that includes rubbing with other cars and in F1 it definitely includes wagering that the other person values their life more than you. Those circumstances don't exist online so you have cheesy mfers ramming people left and right while autherntic and realistic contact with other vehicles is ticketed because someone "rammed" them. Rubbing other cars is part of racing. Careening into other cars is ALSO part of racing ... but the ramifications are real and immediate. Bumping another car online is basically a ticket warrior's game and it's worse because the truth is BOTH DRIVERS are acting like the other person is playing with realistic consequences without their own being considered.
A lot of these sim racers seem to forget the old saying "to finish first, first you must finish". They put themselves at risk just to prevent someone from passing them or try to pass when they shouldn't, which results in them crashing out and usually taking someone out with them.
@brunoboldt6336 It's not a guise. It's a real concept. The issue is that the logic for hard racing cannot be translated from game to reality. ESPECIALLY F1. Irl the reason people make bold moves while driving is that they are wagering that the other cars want to go home to their wife and kids while you just want to win. In games, you can cut off the computer and the crash never existed. You can get your Wheaties and sleep well knowing that you don't have a concussion and all your bones intact.
@@brunoboldt6336I play all racing games like I'm Dale Earnhardt but get reported and an earful for even swapping paint in a realistic and exciting way on a pass. Or (worse) they (or the network) do something erratic and unexpected so now my car touching their car spends them off to Narnia instead of slightly displacing them
@@nsahandler That would enter a gray area between hard racing and just reckless driving, I see no problem in going for a move on the edge of the rules, maybe some door banging, small contacts, risky attempts, maybe some track limits infringements cause you have two cars side by side, those are fine and good for the show, irl or in game. But just throw our car against the others just because "he wants to get home in one piece" with little to no consideration to another fellow driver is just ludicrous, apply that logic to any other sport and you´re insta out of the game lol. The only reason people do that in video games (and sometime irl) is the lack of consequences, but that spoils the fun for those wanting a more "racing like" environment. Don´t get me wrong, I get that some people like driving like this, but then again, there´s others games that are design to be played this way.
@brunoboldt6336 Just a note: we're in agreement lol. “I knew he'd brake; He has a wife and two kids at home. I don't.” was the logic Fernando Alonso used for dangerous overtaking in F1. The problem with a lot of online games is that everyone playing usually wants to have a main character experience, so when it comes to going over-the-top they give it 150% and don't think about the game as a narrative, but as their movie. I can't actually think of any way someone could implement a system that gives gravity to the situation like crashing irl. If it's too ornery and automated then actual people racing and just making contact will be punished. But if it's not severe enough then a moron can drive like an imbecile without any reprieve. My issue with videos and systems like this is he's going "OH THEY BUMPED WHOSE FAULT IS IT" and actually weighing in on punishments over minutia details. Like the guy that dove into the overtake at the Apex: Yeah he was being dumb but the other driver didn't react realistically and didn't respond to someone attempting to overtake him by going tighter. In all the racing games or games with racing that I play, I'll always be trading paying with other players (not going overboard) and when they don't recover from a lil bump they cry about how I have to "wreck them" to win. One guy actually ticketed me in 5M server because I wasn't "valuing my life" despite the fact that we were both fighting to overtake a truck and he didn't break contact. (I swerve-bopped him into an exit lane divider while he was trying to shove me under a dump yruck). The agency and enjoyment of a racing sim or games with racing relies heavily on everyone participating basically RPing that there are grave consequences, and that there isn't some overzealous moderator there to break out the ruler for every contact.
A+/S GT7 driver here, yes Jimmy is right, GT7 driving standards are awful. The main problem is, that there is no real damage model and the penalty system is super weird. That in turn leads to many many questionable moves and just flatout murders on many occasions.
@@captainunderpants200 In the lower rated lobbys, yes, but not so much in the higher rated ones. It's mostly people who abuse the penalty system and get away with it. Fe: There is a GT3 daily race at Le Mans with no chicanes this week. An Austrian driver brake-checked me on the straight before the Porsche corners and f*cked my aero for that section. He didn't get a penalty, nor did he get permanent damage. Next lap he tried to run me off the track on the Muslanne straight when I was attempting an overtake, by just running into me, hoping to, yet again, damage my front aero, which he did. Since I was annoyed and the fight was only for P11 anyway, I went on to dump him into the barrier by turning him around on the straight and didn't get a penalty for it either. The penalty system is the problem. It gives you 2-4 seconds if you run into the back of someone, but does nothing if you brake-check or force someone off track. This is just one example of the GT7 penalties not working as they should. He should've been penalized for brake-checking and then forcing me off track at high speed and I should've been penalized for killing him. Point being: What he did wasn't right (twice) and what I did wasn't right as well and nothing happened except temporary damage. That's why racing on GT7 is horrible most of the time.
Bro literally same 😭 They need to add some type of new damage model and contact physics to GT7 so that crashes are genuine threats instead of mild inconveniences that aren't meant to be taken seriously. That way, even if a penalty doesn't get you, you're going nowhere because your engine and/ or suspension is fucked. (P.S. Please take into account that a damage model like this would ONLY BE OPTIONAL in the race settings; having to worry about being straight up taken out of the race in every single lobby wouldn't be fun in any racing game. I honestly see this being used in top-split lobbies and/ or certain daily races) Also, for the love of god can we get rid of wall penalties? I seriously have never seen them actually punish someone, rather just make them loose more time than they already did by hitting said wall in the fist place...
@@Matty-w8j Yep, full damage should be an option. If some players want to give their best bumper car impressions, they should be able to do so. But for the higher rated lobbys, this should be implemented. Or, at least, maybe as a seperate game mode entirely ("Sport +" or something like that). And, yes, the wall penalties are super dumb. I can understand why they exist, because on a track like High Speed Ring wall riding is something you can actually gain an advantage from. But that's the only example I can think of right now, where this is actually a necessity (though it would also be solved with an actual damage model). Other than that, wall penalties just ruin races all of the time. Best example is Trial Mountain. I like it a lot (even with the new chicane), but the daily races there, are always a pain because it's super easy to get more penalty seconds than Verstappen in Mexico.
Watching this makes me grateful for the last retro endurance race I did in FM8. There were only 2 of us in the lower class, and it was a good clean back and forth between us for 20 minutes. Sadly, the guy made a mistake, got eaten by the group c pack, and one thing led to another; he ended up in oblivion and left the race. I haven't played FM8 since. 😢
Had a carbon copy of the incident at @10.55 happen to me recently in ACC. I defend the inside line, other car tries to force itself into the gap like a teenager parking on their own for the first time, but the stewards tell me I 'could've done better.' Fuming.
hey, i just came from the Amsterdam Toyota Gr cup finals and i need to say yoy absolutely nailed the commentary! enjoyed every single second of it! keep it up
10:50 I don’t get the issue. If it was in a corner then yes he wasn’t significantly along side so it would the the chasing cars fault. But on a straight you can’t crowd someone out of space if they even get there endplate along side your rear wheel at they’ve done enough to be entitled to space. Rules on a straight and corners are different. Otherwise how can you ever expect to overtake when the leading driver can always crowd the chasing driver out of space?
It's always up to the chasing car to overtake safely. Running on to the grass is not overtaking safely. The white line isn't a suggestion. The leading car didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand your argument.
@@isitPC Spa 2019 Alex overtakes Checo on the grass bc Checo was defending the inside but didn’t do it quick enough, so Alex was able to get partially along side before he was on the grass. At that point in a straight line Alex has earned that space on the inside. With the f4 example the leading driver didn’t block the inside quick enough, allowing the chasing driver to get partially along side therefore he’s entitled to space. I guess to put a bow on it, when I race if a car gets just a little bit along side me in a straight line then I give him room to the white line. But if that’s a corner, nah the chasing car would have to be further along side.
@@VykronianF1 In the clip the chase car wasn't significantly alongside, there wasn't even a full front axle to back axle, more like front wing and half of the front axle. That's not significantly alongside. The car in front did not react, he kept his line and was driving predictably. Chase car put himself in a gap that never really existed
@@sameermohideen4913 I’d completely agree if it was a corner but it wasn’t it’s a straight. Think of it, if your the attacking driver and the car ahead is slowly drifting over to block the inside and you get your nose in before the gap closes in a straight line you’re entitled to space. In the corners you do have to be significantly along side but in a straight line you don’t.
ive noticed a lot of these clips show how much track awareness is needed. lot of people are forgetting about the car alongside them, or thinking the most breadhead overtakes and divebombs are possible. all you need to do is be aware. your mirrors show whats behind you and your eyes show everything else. USE YA DANG EYES
I assume they're just hotlappers. Super fast as long as they can take the prescribed line, but fall to pieces if they encounter another car on the track.
@@captainunderpants200 yeah, i feel like multiclass racing is so good for that as a discipline. sometimes you just have to brake off line because you're overtaking a slower class car and you'll easily be out of their way by the apex, but you have to be able to adapt to the narrower line and lower grip and not lock up or go off on the exit.
@@BigAL-kq8jb Yeah some game have a system similar to this but having the players regulate it. With reward incentives to participate in judging the replays. Would be neat considering we already enjoy doing it just like this video anyways.
Think you hit the nail on the head with this.. Only thing I would add though it don't really change anything is with the last one the guy in the white car even tried to pull out of the turn.
Hey, Jimmy. I have a theory. I mean we all train with the AI from time to time, or even mostly. The lunges into the corner mostly work there because the AI normally gives you space if you're just a little alongside. It encourages such moves, i would say. But we humans can't see everything at the same time. We cannot expect a human driver to just jump aside to give us space when we squeeze our nose in. Thats what the rules are for. Written or not;)
Even worse, some games like GT7 put you half a lap behind 19 cars, and you HAVE TO make moves every corner, lunge or push, to be able to win the AI event. GT7 drivers are lunging rammers, cause that's what the single player has taught them to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
F1 24 has been better about this than better F1 games. AI now tend to defend fairly but also more assertively. Overtake them carefully, or you’ll rightfully pay for it.
Being the head steward of the PSGL league on the F1 games, I completely agree with your assessment. Ppl launch it and expect to be given space. But I would also add that people don't seem to be scared to make contact or crash anymore. Perhaps this is a bit more specific to the F1 games with their god-awful contact models not punishing drivers going for those low-percentage moves. But yeah, I've had that position since 2020 and it only seems to get worse with time. Idk if it's a sort of ego issues but I've kinda given up on trying to make my league a better place for everyone cuz no effort to make things better seem to pay unfortunately...
The F1 crash at Mugello was NOT caused by a driver, contrary to the opinion of most people. It was caused by a very late neutralised safety car. The field didn't have enough time to catch up with the front cars before the start/finish line. The first car (I think it was Bottas) was still going slowly on the straight, he was not driving eratically. But the drivers coming from the back thought everyone is going full throttle, which led to the crash.
Hey Jimmy, I just want to say thank you for being a real one. I always appreciate the authenticity of your content and how you’ve stayed so real over the years. Thanks man.
12:30 Imo if you are aware someone has even an inch along side of you, continuing to turn in would make you wrong, but, it's assuming you are aware the inch is even there, easier said than done. It's more on the driver chasing to place his car wisely and make sure if you are gonna get an inch alongside, you got to do it well before the space has been closed. This guy see's it closing, fails to judge whether the car in front has even seen he is there, and continues to go for the gap anyway. Just poor judgment really.
The rules account for this by telling you what is sufficiently alongside. In F1 they talk about front wheel to sidepod = sufficiently alongside. And that doesn’t (shouldn’t) count for if you blast it up the inside very late and say “I was alongside at the apex”
I wonder about the 9:30 Ollie clip, what caused him to twitch/steer to the righ? Seems like he tries to correct away from the wall, but it's quite a massive overcorrection for that to be the problem...
He made it clear earlier in the stream he did not like Road America and was having a bad race. He did it out of frustration like a bellend. We all have bad races from time to time. But never once have I decided to act like a tool and ruin the races of others. Intentional or not. It doesn't matter, he could have just pulled over and quit or gone into the pits to quit
@@AB-mw8oz That changes everything. He absolutely needs to get a time ban from the game. That's completely inappropriate behavior. And he's running P4. In any series, that's a good finish
"Its just been a series of Terrible decisions" As someone who is now a Steward, that quote is so on point. I haven't done it long (only been doing it for 2 months) but already I have witnessed some truly Spectacular moments of "Its My Corner now, MOVE" (and my personal favorite: The person who blames everyone else whenever there is so much as barely a tap with or in spite of the other competitor causing an incident and then redressing the issue, but gets ultra pissy when they get called out for pulling the Verstappen Bullshit). Its nuts.
at 11:11 I'd say it's on the car in the lead. It's not really a corner, but more of a curved straight, and that means (by my interpretation) that the lead knowingly drove him off
but at the same time, why try to make the pass when you know the track is getting more narrow for you, and you're not even alongside. You can definitely make your argument, but I feel like it's the whole, lead driver was driving his line, following driver went for a risky overtake where he shouldnt have; or he shouldve passed on the outside. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was lead driver, I'd be like "how am I potentially at fault for driving my line?"
@@thestuntingthug2267 I would say racing incident. If I was the lead car I probably would've gave the room and then squeezed him(legally) into the chicane. But since real life f4 goes by f1 rules the probably would've gave a penalty to lead car for "forcing another driver off track"
@@thestuntingthug2267 If your front wheels overlap the back wheels of the car infront, i'd say you are definetely side by side, and the car infront should now leave space. More so on iracing, that i think most drivers agree that if the bumpers overlap, you need to leave space. If the car infront didn't want that, he should close the gap quicker, so that another car can't fit between him and the white line. The car infront is at fault. "Driving his line" is not an excuse to be oblivious, that the car behind you claimed the space you left open.
hi fill! nah, the gap was so very clearly closing. the trailing driver chose to put their nose into a gap that simply wasn't there a few feet down the road with the way the lead car was pointed. trailing driver didn't have to lift and follow, to be clear, as they could have moved to the "outside" of the straight and probably gotten the move done under braking on the preferred, grippier line.
@@doylerudolph7965 they were slow and way off the pace. They existed the previous corner quite tight, which could only force following cars to take that side. Why would anyone be surprised that someone is overtaking there? They wouldn't, they'd get them along side, and then force them to brake or be run off the road. No racer is going to brake there
Can't put the blame on his quote. What he said was true about himself and the other racers in his league. This is just a simulator. If there were greater consequences for these actions within it, just as their were for Senna and the racers it truly regards, these virtual bad apples may not go for it like they are now. It's less of a Senna thing than it is a just a flaw in people aswell as the game. There needs to be greater consequences for these actions so that these tunnel vision ponies think twice, or practice more, before full sending it into the side of your car on a corner. In no world would most of these even be allowed, so the fact it is being allowed in the simulator reflects more upon it's creators than what a racer said in 1990.
Thanks Jimmy for calling out such behaviour. Too many a times do such drivers get away with it since majority of us rather protect our SR. Over time it becomes second nature to them and think it's the right way to race.
100 💯 agree with you Jimmy, been involved in motorsports since the 90s and since F1 has become mainstream, these incidents on sim racing has become far too common and unacceptable. I'm tired of it when I race, I never lounge and I tend to wait until I am side by side.
15:18 All GT3 and Porsche cup on iracing is nothing but people diving inside like that. They use your car as a bowling bumper rail to keep their car on track while punting you off. I report it every single time and 99.9% come back as “racing incident”. It utterly maddening.
For the incident at 14:57 i think the red car spins themself. I'm not sure there is contact. Doesn't change the verdict but makes the red car look like more of a helmet.
while I agree it might definitely be some sort of net code. it wasn't gonna work out. dude was already committed to the apex. Guy didn't give a damn about the vortex of danger
No lie, Sim Racing Stewards vids might be my favorite content to watch. Also, resafe joinly is the only way I'll be referring to the process from now on
I feel like all racing games are prone to this...just bad standards and no way to actually be stuck with folks who actually care for the rules and great racing rather than winning
@@ParrotTheBird I need to pick up ACC. Probably one of the better Sims right now besides Iracing but I dont have the money for a subscription service currently
@@cheeseman4you yea it’s great and also ac evo is coming out next year snd it’s way way way better so i’d be a little patient but it’s up to your financial decisions
@@ParrotTheBird I've had my eye on that. Ill wait til it goes on sale. I'm still racing on a G923. I want a DD wheel really bad but I couldn't afford any this year and I don't have a static setup yet(still racing out of a rolling office chair on my desk lol)
Loved your rant/s about driving standards...we all make mistakes, other than the aliens, but it's the attitude of driving through slower cars like they aren't there which is frustrating. Racecraft is so much more important than fast lap times.
I have noticed a subset of people from games like GT or Forza that are only really used to racing AI and expect everyone to be omniscient and get out of their way when they dive bomb or take a gap that is closing.
I agree with the red bull liveries crash at the kink, but would like the add one thing. Self preservation, the car was just taking a line like they were alone on track, but when someone is behind you and making an obvious attempt to get alongside, you either have to completely shut the door so there is no hint of room (they left more than 3/4 car length, it makes it questionable) or just give space. Regardless of right to the corner, you need to clearly indicate if you are letting them in or not purely for the sake of not getting killed. He didn't necessarily do anything wrong, he could've just moved over more a bit earlier and the whole incident would've been avoided.
Good episode. Here. Putting an F for the editing room. The "F4 Bandit clip" is in Jimmy's own words... racing incident? 7:30 Piccolo got savaged. Yet, how is this punt labeled innocent? The next one for Nascar @ The Glen is labled guilty. When its hilarious and a lol you failed type ram.
I’ve lost 8 poles in F4 on the first lap from wild outlandish dive bombers. I’ve been taken out far more then just those 8 times by the dive bombers too.
How's it going 'Rimmer', i liked this vid you're Judgements are spot on 🎉. Keep up the good fight 💪 💯 Everybody is changing words/Names for comedic effect, how's mine?.
When racing a cpu opponent, they get out of the way if you stick the nose in. That's where that comes from. The F1 guide not to race is a very good point too. I went away from F1 for a long time, still watched other series, came back in 21 and was absolutely flabbergasted at how different the rules were to all the other series. It took me multiple races to work out what the limits of each rule was. Its worrying so many people's 1st intro to motorsport is going to be via F1 and the DTS people. The F1 rules which just dont exist anywhere else in the racing world will be seen as the norm. Not good.
The game is not meant to model what would happen if a car doing 200kph+ hits an immovable object... And even then, in reality if something like that happened, that car would 100% disintegrate with debris raining all over the track, including maybe the main body of the chassis.
@@Injektil_o yeah, even with modern safety equipment that would be a life-threatening crash that would vaporize every part of the car besides (hopefully) the survival cell and litter them across the front straight. and not only would fragments of carbon fiber, wheels, etc rain across the track, so would the tires that would be suddenly freed from the prison of the tire barrier. the solution is to discourage behavior like that. in real life, that's easy - drivers value their lives, their health, the operability of their car (repairing or more likely replacing the destroyed car would be difficult and costly, and you'd be less likely to be retained as the team's driver if there was any indication to the team that the crash was intentional), and their ability to participate in the series (such an intentional crash would be likely to lead to disqualification or even banning from the series). in sim, you need to penalize such behavior.
I think Ollie dropped the right side, and maybe even kissed the wall and either one or both could potentially turn the car left and once on that grass there wasn't much stopping power, or ability to turn the car to correct it's direction.
@@randylloyd6612 no he didn't. He wrecked on purpose, he said it in the stream after he did it. He was complaing the whole race because he hates that track and the car was loose and instead of just quitting the race he tried to "wreck myself out" and took out 2 other drivers.
Basically every other race I get pit maneuvered in the middle of a long straight because someone put 6” of their front bumper alongside my rear bumper with two wheels off circuit
@12:13 im on a different opinion. You always have to leave a car width of space. You can squeez him to the edge, but you can not cut him off like that. thats very dangerous driving. Whats the car behind suppose to do? Break midstraight?
3:50 is what I hate about some drivers. They'd rather keep flat out and blame someone else for starting a crash rather than check up and maybe lose a position or two. It's like they enjoy screaming over the radio from the pit lane about someone ruining the race more than they do actual racing. So many of those guys could still have stayed in the race if they were smarter. Losing a position or two is exponentially better than a DNF, kids.
For the NASCAR Watkins Glen clip, I think it’s hilarious that the dude complained about being blocked when blocking is allowed in NASCAR. He wasn’t blocked for one, as you stated. But the dude had every right to because NASCAR has mirrors, rearview monitors and spotters so they’re gonna block. But also Jimmy, I’m gonna have to penalize you for not giving credit where it’s due. NASCAR has issued two race bans in the past three years for deliberately wrecking people. Any at all criticism of NASCAR’s point format and the way they award the championship is always permitted, but their rules on racing and overtaking are fantastic. Mostly because there aren’t very many. Just don’t blatantly wreck people.
The funny part is that blocking is entirely legal and encouraged in nascar. Intentionally wrecking someone is illegal and can be punished by fine, point deduction, disqualification, and sometimes suspensions.
If there’s one thing to take away from the video… RESAFE JOINLY!!!
Precisely
I’m saying it all the time now
Only the reist of safely joining.
That and don't drive like Max Verstappen(he says f1 but he doesn't want the heat😂😂)
"You ALWAYS have to leave a space !"
That F4 Clip was a thing of beauty
It was a pure chefs kiss moment. F4 banditry at its finest.
I know the dude in that Chinese F4 clip 😭
I was just counting cars. 7!
Put it in the Louvre quite frankly, a magnificent clip.
It was a silent film comedy skit ahh clip
"if you no longer go for a gap" has done irreversible damage to sim racing
"... that exists". These doofuses are going for non-existent gaps.
@@captainunderpants200 Senna came up with that quote after doing exactly what we see in this video; lunging into a nonexistant gap and crashing. He did it a lot.
Sim racing didn't even exist back then, you massive helmet.
@@davez5201 yeah, and? sim racing exists now, and the quote still exists for people to use.
those sim racer are "If you not going for a gap that no longer exist, you are a coward'
That last one... The guy dive bombed from a different area code, was a full car width off the apex he was never going to make, hit the leading car in the DOOR, and then had the nerve to suggest it was the leading driver's fault?? Look, the red mist happens to everyone, but don't be a dick.
The Lime Rock clip was nonstop hilarity!
It's the Max Verstappen syndrome, people see him do it on TV and they think "Hey, I can do that!" and they fail to understand the difference
I remember commenting on the last one in the Reddit. People tried to tell me that the leading car was to slow and brake too much and therefore it was their fault. 😅
@@DennisfromMunich Yep, despite them going the same speed as every car in front of them.
Verstappen-style!
Sim Racing Stewards should make Jimmy an official steward at this point
I heard on Malones stream the other day that Nim was taking a holiday so there is a spot open
I agree with the years of knowledge, definetely.
The FIA consistently lets F1 drivers get away with the 'i do dumb thing to get a wheel alongside, now you jump aside or we crash' type of crap. So it's to be expected it infects sim racing, too. If someone only watches F1 and sees that kind of stuff being accepted, well, why wouldn't they think they can do it.
Unfortunately.
And considering F1 is the most mainstream racing series in the world, A LOT of people are "learning" that you can bully someone out of their racing line if they don't want to have a massive crash on a daily basis
F1 driving standards are trash, but people should know better than imitate it. F1 has always had dirty drivers, Senna 'going for the gap' is a good example. It turns out competitive people who believe they are destined to be world champions aren't level-headed in their judgements, go figure.
I don't think it's F1 at all. It's a generic attitude in a certain type of driver, you see this in real life all the time. The guy in a German wanker mobile speeding on the motorway who can't wait a few seconds for traffic to clear so they overtake on the inside, flashing and beeping at people. The dumbass in an oversized black shitbox who can't park correctly so ends up blocking three spots. What F1 does is almost justify that behaviour, but those behaviours already exist, F1 just gives people an excuse.
Every journey I take I see at the very least one incident like this. People don't give a shit about anyone except for themselves anymore, it's got so bad now, that 'ruthlessness' in sports people is lauded by the media as the way to success, or that billionaire dipshit is lauded as a Messiah because they 'ruthlessly' lay off a few hundred people claiming they don't work hard enough...
Basically shows how F1 is an inferior racing series
Well no its not F1 drivers in general - it's one in particular...
'Resafe Joinly', put that on a shirt Jimmy!
Also that incident at 3:50 was hilarious! I think that might be my favourite wreck out of all these Sim Racing Steward videos so far! 😂
12:35 just like airtone vienna said: "if gap, car"
Airtone Vienna 😂
This is the best dumb shit i've ever read
This is the best comment I have ever seen so far
"If you no longer gap for a car that exist then you're car not" - Alan Prost
@@StarkRaven59Alan Frost
I’m the creator of the first video. Thank you Jimmy!
3:50 is my new favourite crash...so much chaos because of a gentle butt tap
What did we just watch
For the NASCAR Watkins Glen clip (8:14), my opinion as someone who has grown up with NASCAR and the "rules" of stock car racing, is that the first bump into T1 was fine. The doorslam, well he just pulled a Danica Patrick and took himself out instead of his target, so all fair there
the bump into t1 was fine, but in no universe was it "blocking" as the trailing driver was alleged to have called it. the lead driver braked on the normal racing line and turned in at the normal turn in point
"Rule number 1 of stock car racing is learning how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself." - Landon Casill
1:34 the Stuka sound was a great choice 😂
I hate people who blame you for that 1:30 type of move. They always try to excuse it by telling you should've checked your mirror and move out of the way. Like, no, I'm already turning in, I shouldn't have to constantly make sure somebody isn't about to hyper divebomb for a gap that's closing, especially if they're just gonna overshoot the corner.
"Check you mirrors!"
"Yeah, I did, you weren't there."
Exactly. As a karting marshal myself, I'd judge that if you're not alongside by the time someone ahead has turned into the corner... It's not your corner. Full stop.
That way, at worst 95% of the time, the culprit who pulls sth like this knows they don't have a leg to stand on.
I know the video already has 2 RESAFE JOINLY moments, but I think Jimmy missed the chance at 09:30 with Ollie's clip to point out that Ollie did NOT RESAFE JOINLY!!
i know you're joking, but ollie was crashing, not rejoining. an out of control car sliding/flying across the track is never a car failing to rejoin safely.
Every time you must resafe crashly.
Gotta love that we've reached the point where NASCAR and F1 have become examples of how not to race, amazing.
It's only because of ticket warriors and a distinct lack of immediate consequence for crashing.
The rule irl is that the boldest driver wins. In NASCAR that includes rubbing with other cars and in F1 it definitely includes wagering that the other person values their life more than you.
Those circumstances don't exist online so you have cheesy mfers ramming people left and right while autherntic and realistic contact with other vehicles is ticketed because someone "rammed" them.
Rubbing other cars is part of racing. Careening into other cars is ALSO part of racing ... but the ramifications are real and immediate.
Bumping another car online is basically a ticket warrior's game and it's worse because the truth is BOTH DRIVERS are acting like the other person is playing with realistic consequences without their own being considered.
Mostly thanks to one particular driver in a Red Bull.
@@lukew6725 Yeah there seems to be a huge amount of people bringing big stroll energy.
A lot of these sim racers seem to forget the old saying "to finish first, first you must finish". They put themselves at risk just to prevent someone from passing them or try to pass when they shouldn't, which results in them crashing out and usually taking someone out with them.
ALL this under the guise of "hard racing"
@brunoboldt6336
It's not a guise. It's a real concept. The issue is that the logic for hard racing cannot be translated from game to reality.
ESPECIALLY F1.
Irl the reason people make bold moves while driving is that they are wagering that the other cars want to go home to their wife and kids while you just want to win.
In games, you can cut off the computer and the crash never existed. You can get your Wheaties and sleep well knowing that you don't have a concussion and all your bones intact.
@@brunoboldt6336I play all racing games like I'm Dale Earnhardt but get reported and an earful for even swapping paint in a realistic and exciting way on a pass.
Or (worse) they (or the network) do something erratic and unexpected so now my car touching their car spends them off to Narnia instead of slightly displacing them
@@nsahandler That would enter a gray area between hard racing and just reckless driving, I see no problem in going for a move on the edge of the rules, maybe some door banging, small contacts, risky attempts, maybe some track limits infringements cause you have two cars side by side, those are fine and good for the show, irl or in game. But just throw our car against the others just because "he wants to get home in one piece" with little to no consideration to another fellow driver is just ludicrous, apply that logic to any other sport and you´re insta out of the game lol. The only reason people do that in video games (and sometime irl) is the lack of consequences, but that spoils the fun for those wanting a more "racing like" environment. Don´t get me wrong, I get that some people like driving like this, but then again, there´s others games that are design to be played this way.
@brunoboldt6336
Just a note: we're in agreement lol.
“I knew he'd brake; He has a wife and two kids at home. I don't.” was the logic Fernando Alonso used for dangerous overtaking in F1.
The problem with a lot of online games is that everyone playing usually wants to have a main character experience, so when it comes to going over-the-top they give it 150% and don't think about the game as a narrative, but as their movie.
I can't actually think of any way someone could implement a system that gives gravity to the situation like crashing irl. If it's too ornery and automated then actual people racing and just making contact will be punished. But if it's not severe enough then a moron can drive like an imbecile without any reprieve.
My issue with videos and systems like this is he's going "OH THEY BUMPED WHOSE FAULT IS IT" and actually weighing in on punishments over minutia details.
Like the guy that dove into the overtake at the Apex:
Yeah he was being dumb but the other driver didn't react realistically and didn't respond to someone attempting to overtake him by going tighter.
In all the racing games or games with racing that I play, I'll always be trading paying with other players (not going overboard) and when they don't recover from a lil bump they cry about how I have to "wreck them" to win.
One guy actually ticketed me in 5M server because I wasn't "valuing my life" despite the fact that we were both fighting to overtake a truck and he didn't break contact. (I swerve-bopped him into an exit lane divider while he was trying to shove me under a dump yruck).
The agency and enjoyment of a racing sim or games with racing relies heavily on everyone participating basically RPing that there are grave consequences, and that there isn't some overzealous moderator there to break out the ruler for every contact.
A+/S GT7 driver here, yes Jimmy is right, GT7 driving standards are awful.
The main problem is, that there is no real damage model and the penalty system is super weird.
That in turn leads to many many questionable moves and just flatout murders on many occasions.
I assume it's mostly children as well.
@@captainunderpants200 In the lower rated lobbys, yes, but not so much in the higher rated ones. It's mostly people who abuse the penalty system and get away with it.
Fe: There is a GT3 daily race at Le Mans with no chicanes this week. An Austrian driver brake-checked me on the straight before the Porsche corners and f*cked my aero for that section. He didn't get a penalty, nor did he get permanent damage. Next lap he tried to run me off the track on the Muslanne straight when I was attempting an overtake, by just running into me, hoping to, yet again, damage my front aero, which he did. Since I was annoyed and the fight was only for P11 anyway, I went on to dump him into the barrier by turning him around on the straight and didn't get a penalty for it either. The penalty system is the problem. It gives you 2-4 seconds if you run into the back of someone, but does nothing if you brake-check or force someone off track.
This is just one example of the GT7 penalties not working as they should. He should've been penalized for brake-checking and then forcing me off track at high speed and I should've been penalized for killing him.
Point being: What he did wasn't right (twice) and what I did wasn't right as well and nothing happened except temporary damage. That's why racing on GT7 is horrible most of the time.
Bro literally same 😭
They need to add some type of new damage model and contact physics to GT7 so that crashes are genuine threats instead of mild inconveniences that aren't meant to be taken seriously. That way, even if a penalty doesn't get you, you're going nowhere because your engine and/ or suspension is fucked.
(P.S. Please take into account that a damage model like this would ONLY BE OPTIONAL in the race settings; having to worry about being straight up taken out of the race in every single lobby wouldn't be fun in any racing game. I honestly see this being used in top-split lobbies and/ or certain daily races)
Also, for the love of god can we get rid of wall penalties? I seriously have never seen them actually punish someone, rather just make them loose more time than they already did by hitting said wall in the fist place...
@@Matty-w8j Yep, full damage should be an option. If some players want to give their best bumper car impressions, they should be able to do so.
But for the higher rated lobbys, this should be implemented. Or, at least, maybe as a seperate game mode entirely ("Sport +" or something like that).
And, yes, the wall penalties are super dumb. I can understand why they exist, because on a track like High Speed Ring wall riding is something you can actually gain an advantage from. But that's the only example I can think of right now, where this is actually a necessity (though it would also be solved with an actual damage model).
Other than that, wall penalties just ruin races all of the time. Best example is Trial Mountain. I like it a lot (even with the new chicane), but the daily races there, are always a pain because it's super easy to get more penalty seconds than Verstappen in Mexico.
Watching this makes me grateful for the last retro endurance race I did in FM8. There were only 2 of us in the lower class, and it was a good clean back and forth between us for 20 minutes. Sadly, the guy made a mistake, got eaten by the group c pack, and one thing led to another; he ended up in oblivion and left the race. I haven't played FM8 since. 😢
Jimmy’s editor is the goat of these videos
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0:13 Normal BMW driver when they don't use their blinkers.
11:45 Thing is Jimmy, I _would_ expect someone to poke up the inside there, it’s a shorter line, they’re faster than me, I left the gap open too long
Had a carbon copy of the incident at @10.55 happen to me recently in ACC. I defend the inside line, other car tries to force itself into the gap like a teenager parking on their own for the first time, but the stewards tell me I 'could've done better.' Fuming.
hey, i just came from the Amsterdam Toyota Gr cup finals and i need to say yoy absolutely nailed the commentary! enjoyed every single second of it! keep it up
Pls make a video of the AMS2 update - your honesty is needed
10:50 I don’t get the issue. If it was in a corner then yes he wasn’t significantly along side so it would the the chasing cars fault. But on a straight you can’t crowd someone out of space if they even get there endplate along side your rear wheel at they’ve done enough to be entitled to space. Rules on a straight and corners are different. Otherwise how can you ever expect to overtake when the leading driver can always crowd the chasing driver out of space?
It's always up to the chasing car to overtake safely. Running on to the grass is not overtaking safely. The white line isn't a suggestion. The leading car didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand your argument.
@@isitPC Spa 2019 Alex overtakes Checo on the grass bc Checo was defending the inside but didn’t do it quick enough, so Alex was able to get partially along side before he was on the grass. At that point in a straight line Alex has earned that space on the inside. With the f4 example the leading driver didn’t block the inside quick enough, allowing the chasing driver to get partially along side therefore he’s entitled to space.
I guess to put a bow on it, when I race if a car gets just a little bit along side me in a straight line then I give him room to the white line. But if that’s a corner, nah the chasing car would have to be further along side.
@@VykronianF1 In the clip the chase car wasn't significantly alongside, there wasn't even a full front axle to back axle, more like front wing and half of the front axle. That's not significantly alongside. The car in front did not react, he kept his line and was driving predictably. Chase car put himself in a gap that never really existed
@@sameermohideen4913 I’d completely agree if it was a corner but it wasn’t it’s a straight. Think of it, if your the attacking driver and the car ahead is slowly drifting over to block the inside and you get your nose in before the gap closes in a straight line you’re entitled to space. In the corners you do have to be significantly along side but in a straight line you don’t.
ive noticed a lot of these clips show how much track awareness is needed. lot of people are forgetting about the car alongside them, or thinking the most breadhead overtakes and divebombs are possible. all you need to do is be aware. your mirrors show whats behind you and your eyes show everything else. USE YA DANG EYES
I assume they're just hotlappers. Super fast as long as they can take the prescribed line, but fall to pieces if they encounter another car on the track.
@@captainunderpants200 yeah, i feel like multiclass racing is so good for that as a discipline. sometimes you just have to brake off line because you're overtaking a slower class car and you'll easily be out of their way by the apex, but you have to be able to adapt to the narrower line and lower grip and not lock up or go off on the exit.
No mirrors, radar, spotter, widescreen, and a massive ego.
No stewards or bans in gt7 as a loyal player it’s gotten absolutely horrific
gt7 needs a feature where you can report drivers and a real person looks at the crash. I could do that job for hours.
@@BigAL-kq8jbPD needs this position.
@@BigAL-kq8jb
Yeah some game have a system similar to this but having the players regulate it. With reward incentives to participate in judging the replays.
Would be neat considering we already enjoy doing it just like this video anyways.
Think you hit the nail on the head with this.. Only thing I would add though it don't really change anything is with the last one the guy in the white car even tried to pull out of the turn.
1:17 that was a masterclass recovery holy
Hey, Jimmy. I have a theory. I mean we all train with the AI from time to time, or even mostly. The lunges into the corner mostly work there because the AI normally gives you space if you're just a little alongside. It encourages such moves, i would say. But we humans can't see everything at the same time. We cannot expect a human driver to just jump aside to give us space when we squeeze our nose in. Thats what the rules are for. Written or not;)
Even worse, some games like GT7 put you half a lap behind 19 cars, and you HAVE TO make moves every corner, lunge or push, to be able to win the AI event.
GT7 drivers are lunging rammers, cause that's what the single player has taught them to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@stuntmanshinja that was me for the nations cup recently.
F1 24 has been better about this than better F1 games. AI now tend to defend fairly but also more assertively. Overtake them carefully, or you’ll rightfully pay for it.
Being the head steward of the PSGL league on the F1 games, I completely agree with your assessment. Ppl launch it and expect to be given space. But I would also add that people don't seem to be scared to make contact or crash anymore. Perhaps this is a bit more specific to the F1 games with their god-awful contact models not punishing drivers going for those low-percentage moves. But yeah, I've had that position since 2020 and it only seems to get worse with time. Idk if it's a sort of ego issues but I've kinda given up on trying to make my league a better place for everyone cuz no effort to make things better seem to pay unfortunately...
2:52 "Stop watching Formula 1." Roger that.
Please keep doing more of these. It’s some of your best content.
The Lo-Fi sound effect on 3:46 just made me laugh out loud 😀Nice touch, and I love details like these!
The F1 crash at Mugello was NOT caused by a driver, contrary to the opinion of most people. It was caused by a very late neutralised safety car. The field didn't have enough time to catch up with the front cars before the start/finish line. The first car (I think it was Bottas) was still going slowly on the straight, he was not driving eratically. But the drivers coming from the back thought everyone is going full throttle, which led to the crash.
The energy you put into each video is next level.
Hey Jimmy, I just want to say thank you for being a real one. I always appreciate the authenticity of your content and how you’ve stayed so real over the years. Thanks man.
Honest to God, I live for these videos. I can't wait for the day I end up in a race on iRacing with Jimmy Broadbent (the non AI version)
Loved the DBZ Abridged reference at 7:32 😂
You're a good judge, Jimmer, respect. Agree in all cases
That F4 clip was pure chaos and I loved it.
12:30 Imo if you are aware someone has even an inch along side of you, continuing to turn in would make you wrong, but, it's assuming you are aware the inch is even there, easier said than done. It's more on the driver chasing to place his car wisely and make sure if you are gonna get an inch alongside, you got to do it well before the space has been closed. This guy see's it closing, fails to judge whether the car in front has even seen he is there, and continues to go for the gap anyway. Just poor judgment really.
The rules account for this by telling you what is sufficiently alongside.
In F1 they talk about front wheel to sidepod = sufficiently alongside. And that doesn’t (shouldn’t) count for if you blast it up the inside very late and say “I was alongside at the apex”
He was already one tire off track before the contact was made. He was not entitled to that space, especially since that space was off track.
"an inch" alongside doesnt entitle you to space
I wonder about the 9:30 Ollie clip, what caused him to twitch/steer to the righ? Seems like he tries to correct away from the wall, but it's quite a massive overcorrection for that to be the problem...
He made it clear earlier in the stream he did not like Road America and was having a bad race. He did it out of frustration like a bellend. We all have bad races from time to time. But never once have I decided to act like a tool and ruin the races of others. Intentional or not. It doesn't matter, he could have just pulled over and quit or gone into the pits to quit
@@AB-mw8oz That changes everything. He absolutely needs to get a time ban from the game. That's completely inappropriate behavior. And he's running P4. In any series, that's a good finish
"Its just been a series of Terrible decisions" As someone who is now a Steward, that quote is so on point. I haven't done it long (only been doing it for 2 months) but already I have witnessed some truly Spectacular moments of "Its My Corner now, MOVE" (and my personal favorite: The person who blames everyone else whenever there is so much as barely a tap with or in spite of the other competitor causing an incident and then redressing the issue, but gets ultra pissy when they get called out for pulling the Verstappen Bullshit). Its nuts.
at 11:11 I'd say it's on the car in the lead. It's not really a corner, but more of a curved straight, and that means (by my interpretation) that the lead knowingly drove him off
but at the same time, why try to make the pass when you know the track is getting more narrow for you, and you're not even alongside. You can definitely make your argument, but I feel like it's the whole, lead driver was driving his line, following driver went for a risky overtake where he shouldnt have; or he shouldve passed on the outside. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was lead driver, I'd be like "how am I potentially at fault for driving my line?"
@@thestuntingthug2267 I would say racing incident. If I was the lead car I probably would've gave the room and then squeezed him(legally) into the chicane. But since real life f4 goes by f1 rules the probably would've gave a penalty to lead car for "forcing another driver off track"
@@thestuntingthug2267 If your front wheels overlap the back wheels of the car infront, i'd say you are definetely side by side, and the car infront should now leave space. More so on iracing, that i think most drivers agree that if the bumpers overlap, you need to leave space. If the car infront didn't want that, he should close the gap quicker, so that another car can't fit between him and the white line. The car infront is at fault. "Driving his line" is not an excuse to be oblivious, that the car behind you claimed the space you left open.
hi fill!
nah, the gap was so very clearly closing. the trailing driver chose to put their nose into a gap that simply wasn't there a few feet down the road with the way the lead car was pointed. trailing driver didn't have to lift and follow, to be clear, as they could have moved to the "outside" of the straight and probably gotten the move done under braking on the preferred, grippier line.
@@doylerudolph7965 they were slow and way off the pace. They existed the previous corner quite tight, which could only force following cars to take that side. Why would anyone be surprised that someone is overtaking there? They wouldn't, they'd get them along side, and then force them to brake or be run off the road. No racer is going to brake there
Ayrton Senna and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race. "If you no longer go for a gap..."
Can't put the blame on his quote. What he said was true about himself and the other racers in his league. This is just a simulator. If there were greater consequences for these actions within it, just as their were for Senna and the racers it truly regards, these virtual bad apples may not go for it like they are now. It's less of a Senna thing than it is a just a flaw in people aswell as the game. There needs to be greater consequences for these actions so that these tunnel vision ponies think twice, or practice more, before full sending it into the side of your car on a corner.
In no world would most of these even be allowed, so the fact it is being allowed in the simulator reflects more upon it's creators than what a racer said in 1990.
@@A_Goatyou can. Calling clean respectful driving not being a "racing driver" is not good.
@@PromixDelPiero
Who said clean racers are not racing drivers?
He would also get a race ban in nascar, in recent cases where intentionally hooking someone had happened in nascar those drivers received a race ban
Why do they do it? They're not racing. They're chasing that Hollywood hero moment.
Thanks Jimmy for calling out such behaviour. Too many a times do such drivers get away with it since majority of us rather protect our SR. Over time it becomes second nature to them and think it's the right way to race.
100 💯 agree with you Jimmy, been involved in motorsports since the 90s and since F1 has become mainstream, these incidents on sim racing has become far too common and unacceptable. I'm tired of it when I race, I never lounge and I tend to wait until I am side by side.
15:18 All GT3 and Porsche cup on iracing is nothing but people diving inside like that. They use your car as a bowling bumper rail to keep their car on track while punting you off. I report it every single time and 99.9% come back as “racing incident”. It utterly maddening.
The Verstappen Effect
Jimmy one thing I have learn in my short time on IRacing is when there is a wreck brakes are noy an option lol
9:05
Oi! I'm a NASCAR fan! ... I can't ask you to take it back, because you're absolutely correct, but I still feel upset about it! 🙃😆
For the incident at 14:57 i think the red car spins themself. I'm not sure there is contact. Doesn't change the verdict but makes the red car look like more of a helmet.
You can see how much the car changes its trajectory, looks like net code
while I agree it might definitely be some sort of net code. it wasn't gonna work out. dude was already committed to the apex. Guy didn't give a damn about the vortex of danger
I just love to see your enthusiasm for (deservedly) calling people a helmet, keep them coming Jimmy!
4:10 What was that about the whole field at Mugello?
“What did I do wrong? I’m the BMW.”
Exactly.
Thank you for using that Austin Dillon clip immediately after saying "he just drives into the back of him".
Reading comments on whose fault it is on the subreddit would be a great add to this series lol
No lie, Sim Racing Stewards vids might be my favorite content to watch. Also, resafe joinly is the only way I'll be referring to the process from now on
6:55 as a person that used to play gt7 yes they have terrible driving standards it’s like ur playing with 9 yr olds
I feel like all racing games are prone to this...just bad standards and no way to actually be stuck with folks who actually care for the rules and great racing rather than winning
@@cheeseman4you yea i agree with you
what i do now is join acc servers and do qualifying laps for practice and purposely invalidate them to start last
@@ParrotTheBird I need to pick up ACC. Probably one of the better Sims right now besides Iracing but I dont have the money for a subscription service currently
@@cheeseman4you yea it’s great and also ac evo is coming out next year snd it’s way way way better so i’d be a little patient but it’s up to your financial decisions
@@ParrotTheBird I've had my eye on that. Ill wait til it goes on sale. I'm still racing on a G923. I want a DD wheel really bad but I couldn't afford any this year and I don't have a static setup yet(still racing out of a rolling office chair on my desk lol)
Loved your rant/s about driving standards...we all make mistakes, other than the aliens, but it's the attitude of driving through slower cars like they aren't there which is frustrating. Racecraft is so much more important than fast lap times.
Soon as I saw a Red Bull livery on that F4 car I knew we were about to get a sermon from Pastor Jimmy.
@10:35 love that his current live stream is also recommenced
I have noticed a subset of people from games like GT or Forza that are only really used to racing AI and expect everyone to be omniscient and get out of their way when they dive bomb or take a gap that is closing.
I agree with the red bull liveries crash at the kink, but would like the add one thing. Self preservation, the car was just taking a line like they were alone on track, but when someone is behind you and making an obvious attempt to get alongside, you either have to completely shut the door so there is no hint of room (they left more than 3/4 car length, it makes it questionable) or just give space. Regardless of right to the corner, you need to clearly indicate if you are letting them in or not purely for the sake of not getting killed. He didn't necessarily do anything wrong, he could've just moved over more a bit earlier and the whole incident would've been avoided.
That Lime Rock clip had me absolutely DYING laughing lol
9:06 Never expected to see a Captain Phillips reference in one of these videos
5:54 "what a mess": this is the reason why for junior single seaters I choose USF2000, not F4
3:59 number 9 car got saved from the carnage
I'm thinking we need a a helmet of the year award at some point. So many great clips
2:00 he lirly sent it from another Level of Detail 😂
that f4 clip was the gift that kept on giving
We are definitely now seeing the fusing of the "hit the apex first" and "no longer go for the gap"
Good episode. Here. Putting an F for the editing room. The "F4 Bandit clip" is in Jimmy's own words... racing incident?
7:30 Piccolo got savaged. Yet, how is this punt labeled innocent?
The next one for Nascar @ The Glen is labled guilty. When its hilarious and a lol you failed type ram.
I’ve lost 8 poles in F4 on the first lap from wild outlandish dive bombers. I’ve been taken out far more then just those 8 times by the dive bombers too.
0:45 I don't know how in the world they saved that. Wildly impressive😮
How's it going 'Rimmer', i liked this vid you're Judgements are spot on 🎉.
Keep up the good fight 💪 💯
Everybody is changing words/Names for comedic effect, how's mine?.
"I'm centensing him to Forza Motorsport 8...ONLINE!" 🤣🤣🤣
/DBB
When racing a cpu opponent, they get out of the way if you stick the nose in. That's where that comes from.
The F1 guide not to race is a very good point too.
I went away from F1 for a long time, still watched other series, came back in 21 and was absolutely flabbergasted at how different the rules were to all the other series. It took me multiple races to work out what the limits of each rule was.
Its worrying so many people's 1st intro to motorsport is going to be via F1 and the DTS people. The F1 rules which just dont exist anywhere else in the racing world will be seen as the norm. Not good.
6:47 driving standards like in tandem with a bug in GT7 that doesn’t begin the rolling start in daily races made me give up the Sport Mode.
The Ollie clip shows how weird the iRacing tyre barrier physics are - they are a bit of a mess to be honest.
The game is not meant to model what would happen if a car doing 200kph+ hits an immovable object... And even then, in reality if something like that happened, that car would 100% disintegrate with debris raining all over the track, including maybe the main body of the chassis.
@@Injektil_o yeah, even with modern safety equipment that would be a life-threatening crash that would vaporize every part of the car besides (hopefully) the survival cell and litter them across the front straight. and not only would fragments of carbon fiber, wheels, etc rain across the track, so would the tires that would be suddenly freed from the prison of the tire barrier.
the solution is to discourage behavior like that. in real life, that's easy - drivers value their lives, their health, the operability of their car (repairing or more likely replacing the destroyed car would be difficult and costly, and you'd be less likely to be retained as the team's driver if there was any indication to the team that the crash was intentional), and their ability to participate in the series (such an intentional crash would be likely to lead to disqualification or even banning from the series). in sim, you need to penalize such behavior.
I think Ollie dropped the right side, and maybe even kissed the wall and either one or both could potentially turn the car left and once on that grass there wasn't much stopping power, or ability to turn the car to correct it's direction.
@@randylloyd6612 no he didn't. He wrecked on purpose, he said it in the stream after he did it. He was complaing the whole race because he hates that track and the car was loose and instead of just quitting the race he tried to "wreck myself out" and took out 2 other drivers.
@@Injektil_o true. But the game should not have the car bouncing back into the track like it hit the worlds biggest trampoline.
Basically every other race I get pit maneuvered in the middle of a long straight because someone put 6” of their front bumper alongside my rear bumper with two wheels off circuit
I always enjoy these videos 😄
@12:13 im on a different opinion. You always have to leave a car width of space. You can squeez him to the edge, but you can not cut him off like that. thats very dangerous driving. Whats the car behind suppose to do? Break midstraight?
The f4 imola incident. Everyone goes for those kind of gaps in f4 and when they do you should leave space
3:50 is what I hate about some drivers. They'd rather keep flat out and blame someone else for starting a crash rather than check up and maybe lose a position or two. It's like they enjoy screaming over the radio from the pit lane about someone ruining the race more than they do actual racing. So many of those guys could still have stayed in the race if they were smarter.
Losing a position or two is exponentially better than a DNF, kids.
4:21 legendary clip, mondays man
For the NASCAR Watkins Glen clip, I think it’s hilarious that the dude complained about being blocked when blocking is allowed in NASCAR. He wasn’t blocked for one, as you stated. But the dude had every right to because NASCAR has mirrors, rearview monitors and spotters so they’re gonna block. But also Jimmy, I’m gonna have to penalize you for not giving credit where it’s due. NASCAR has issued two race bans in the past three years for deliberately wrecking people. Any at all criticism of NASCAR’s point format and the way they award the championship is always permitted, but their rules on racing and overtaking are fantastic. Mostly because there aren’t very many. Just don’t blatantly wreck people.
The funny part is that blocking is entirely legal and encouraged in nascar. Intentionally wrecking someone is illegal and can be punished by fine, point deduction, disqualification, and sometimes suspensions.
Man I love this series
Most of my wrecks are always someone pushing me off track or dive bombing me 😔
First rule of stock car racing is learn how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself 😂😂😂
Reminds me of my training in gta online racing off all things. Learn how to make others take out themselves without taking you out
You’re slowly healing the world of mini-stappens
sim racing stewards my favorite series
11:11 that's a really tough one, i can come up with arguments for both cars.
I love F4 but I purposely skip qualifying because there is always pure carnage on the first 2 corners at the start of the race.
The second one was a true Crashtor Maldonado cosplay.
i love watching open wheel racers just dive bombing and not caring about what happens in the track
Nonsense Jimmy! (5:01) he is clearly alongside and " All the time you have to leave a space"
Along side?
No
Go read passing rules of any racing org like NASA, IMSA, SCCA