I agree, they really skirt over the whole "it's water cooled so the waste air is only just above room temperature" idea. The heat has to go somewhere. Do you have to empty a tank of boiling hot water every now and then? If so, that seems like a really efficient design and I might back it. But I don't understand the lack of information and it makes me worry it only works if you fill it with cold water, or it just "moves" the heat into another part of the room. If you fill it with room temperature water and put it in a closed room for a few hours, the room overall HAS to get hotter.
@@andrew.chinery from what I understand from the kickstarter page, the water you add in is to spray over some components inside that absorbs the heat and then throws it out at "room temperature".
@@andrew.chinery That's what I thought at first, but no. You fill the (SMALL!) water tank with cool water, then that water drips down the compressor's "hot side" heatsink. It does release some moisture back into the air, but the "cold side" air intake takes it back out again. Sadly, there's a 300w deficit and so the room will only get hotter, but the "spot" that the cool vent is aiming on will stay cool. If they had thermally isolated the "hot side" compressor heatsink in, say, a 15L tank, that'd give us amazing cooling. For example, it takes a 2kW x 1.8L kettle about 5 minutes to boil, so if you put 15L tank at the base of the unit and dump that ~300w of compressor heat into it, you'll get ~4 hours of runtime with _full_ ~900w cooling output.
I left it running in the room for 3 hours today. I measured 1 degree lower in the room and it felt much cooler because of the fan. Not stellar results, but believable. It the heat stays in the device you can have a short-term cooling feel in the room.
@@911Reviews That's not going to satisfy most people. If you are in a smaller, enclosed room, you'd be better off getting a portable AC unit with a vent tube and exhausting into another room (presuming you can't exhaust it outside), even if only through a partially open door, just to get a good amount of the heat out of the room you are in.
@@911Reviews So a 91-degree room is cooled to 90 degrees, plus the added humidity from the water tank. This is not a true air conditioner, just a zone cooler. I don't think that the 2000 Kickstarter backers are going to be too pleased with that performance.
_Morphy Richards themselves say not to use it in a closed space. Instead, they call it a "spot cooler for open or semi-open spaces".... for the reason that, thermodynamically, in a closed space it's going to make that space hotter and more humid over time._ _Here's a video answering these questions from someone from Morphy Richards who actually knows what they're talking about (at least he understands the engineering principles)._ ruclips.net/video/9byHjxdbvYA/видео.html
@@Tyw7 just saw the video on their kickstarter. Ok so it seems like the water produced from the unit on top sprays down to keep the hot coils cooler. Not the right words probably but you get the idea lol
"Our product is a spot AC with a compressor, and offers point-to-point powerful cooling. It is recommended to use this product in an open or semi-open environment, as it is more suitable for local cooling, especially in the air supply area of the product." so blows some cold air out the front and a lot more hot air out the back. Not possible to cool a room as shown in this video, and there is a jump cut at 2:42 before he shows the 67F on the IR and says "cooled the room down". The longer that unit runs in that room, the hotter that room will get. I am going to order one and do one of my AC teardown videos if/when it comes. Subscribe to me if you want to see it!
The video creator has already stated in a comment that after 3 hours the room temp only decreased by 1 degree. Literally not even worth mentioning nevermind using lol
Wow. That'll be great if you could show how the back temperature gets warmer as we sometime has to close the windows and doors in our small size room due to rain. Thank you very much.
So how is this different than a swamp cooler using water, blowing it back out. ? and Is it a spot cooler, or does it actual bring down the temperature of the room after 1-2 hours of run time?
@@911Reviewsoh it's going to be adding humidity. It just won't do it with cool moist air. It's doing it in the form of warm and muggy air. Laws of thermodynamics won't let this thing cool down a room without a way to get rid of the heat. If anything, it's going to slowly increase the overall heat content of the room. There's no way around it.
I wonder how to replace the R290 refrigerant ? is there an external connector ? On kickstarter, they keep saying it needs an official repair shop, but don't give much information. This doesn't encourage me to purchase one. It's very easy to reload coolant in 2024, you have special cans for that.
if i measure my (real) airco with a infrared thermometer i get around the 41F with in 5min. with a ambiant temp of 85F and still i think its to hot after 5 hours. oww i see it has a cooling cooling capacity of 845W and it does seem to have a compressor. so it will cool down your 10 square feet room. the one i have is 5200W cooling capacity do you see the differnce.
it's not made to cool a room, its made to blow some cool air in your face, the room/space will actually get warmer as its using 425w to run a fan and compressor. Evaporation of water is used to cool the refrigerant so it will also increase the humidity in the room as well.
I wonder if it would work in a motorhome? Tried the EcoFlow Wave 2 that had 5000BTU of cooling and a hose but it wasn't sufficient for the warm summers here in Spain.
When I travel to China, they have those human size portable AC units standing at the corner of the room and making cool air. There is no hot air discharging duck or nothing. Why those units are not available in the US?
@@Adam913515 it uses refrigerant like a fridge or an air conditioner, so it has a cold side and a hot side, warm air is drawn in and blown over the cold side. this warmth is pushed to the hot side where it is sprays water onto the radiator to cool it down. The water would then get hot and evaporate raising the humidty in the room just like a swamp cooler. I don't doubt it makes some cold air for 10-15 minutes but as soon as that water has warmed up and the radiator can't cool down enough the air coming out of it will be similar to a normal fan but with the added bonus of increase humidity from water and heat from the hot side of the radiator. The only way to then make it cool the room would be to replace the water every 20-30 minutes and/or add some ice to the bucket to help cool the radiator.
@@Adam913515 technically it might not be, but it will share a lot of the issues that come with a swamp cooler. it's obviously got a more complicated design that a normal swamp cooler in that refrigerant is used and I imaging the air flow will feel cooler than using evaporated water on a filter. But the heat that the refrigerant pulls from the air is the dumped into water which will evaporate the water. The room temp will also increase like a swamp cooler but given it is using 450w compared to 50-100w of a traditional swamp cooler I imagine it will get warmer faster. I would also hope that they have found a way to prevent mold which will like the warm water in the tank.
_Nonsense video. Morphy Richards themselves say not to use it in a closed space. Instead, they call it a "spot cooler for open or semi-open spaces".... for the reason that, thermodynamically, in a closed space it's going to make that space hotter and more humid over time._ _Here's a video answering these questions from someone from Morphy Richards who actually knows what they're talking about (at least he understands the engineering principles)._ ruclips.net/video/9byHjxdbvYA/видео.html
Seems like nobody here got the unit to test out yet. So all we can say is just the promotion and advertising information. Not confident about how much heat generated out to the back part of the environment.
I’m finding it hard to understand the thermodynamics of this product.
I agree, they really skirt over the whole "it's water cooled so the waste air is only just above room temperature" idea. The heat has to go somewhere. Do you have to empty a tank of boiling hot water every now and then? If so, that seems like a really efficient design and I might back it. But I don't understand the lack of information and it makes me worry it only works if you fill it with cold water, or it just "moves" the heat into another part of the room. If you fill it with room temperature water and put it in a closed room for a few hours, the room overall HAS to get hotter.
Rightyo
Seems like a swamp cooler with an AC compressor. This "review" doesn't really go over anything important.
@@andrew.chinery from what I understand from the kickstarter page, the water you add in is to spray over some components inside that absorbs the heat and then throws it out at "room temperature".
@@andrew.chinery That's what I thought at first, but no. You fill the (SMALL!) water tank with cool water, then that water drips down the compressor's "hot side" heatsink. It does release some moisture back into the air, but the "cold side" air intake takes it back out again. Sadly, there's a 300w deficit and so the room will only get hotter, but the "spot" that the cool vent is aiming on will stay cool.
If they had thermally isolated the "hot side" compressor heatsink in, say, a 15L tank, that'd give us amazing cooling. For example, it takes a 2kW x 1.8L kettle about 5 minutes to boil, so if you put 15L tank at the base of the unit and dump that ~300w of compressor heat into it, you'll get ~4 hours of runtime with _full_ ~900w cooling output.
Thermodynamics says it does not work
I left it running in the room for 3 hours today. I measured 1 degree lower in the room and it felt much cooler because of the fan. Not stellar results, but believable. It the heat stays in the device you can have a short-term cooling feel in the room.
@@911Reviews That's not going to satisfy most people. If you are in a smaller, enclosed room, you'd be better off getting a portable AC unit with a vent tube and exhausting into another room (presuming you can't exhaust it outside), even if only through a partially open door, just to get a good amount of the heat out of the room you are in.
@@911Reviews So a 91-degree room is cooled to 90 degrees, plus the added humidity from the water tank. This is not a true air conditioner, just a zone cooler. I don't think that the 2000 Kickstarter backers are going to be too pleased with that performance.
_Morphy Richards themselves say not to use it in a closed space. Instead, they call it a "spot cooler for open or semi-open spaces".... for the reason that, thermodynamically, in a closed space it's going to make that space hotter and more humid over time._
_Here's a video answering these questions from someone from Morphy Richards who actually knows what they're talking about (at least he understands the engineering principles)._
ruclips.net/video/9byHjxdbvYA/видео.html
Water tank at the bottom? So is it just a swamp cooler then?
My thoughts too!
@@Tyw7 just saw the video on their kickstarter. Ok so it seems like the water produced from the unit on top sprays down to keep the hot coils cooler. Not the right words probably but you get the idea lol
@@Tyw7 but I was also only half watching while walking the dog haha
So where does the hot air go? It looks like a fancy air cooler not air conditioner.
It's a silly very low capacity evaporative cooler.
"Our product is a spot AC with a compressor, and offers point-to-point powerful cooling. It is recommended to use this product in an open or semi-open environment, as it is more suitable for local cooling, especially in the air supply area of the product." so blows some cold air out the front and a lot more hot air out the back. Not possible to cool a room as shown in this video, and there is a jump cut at 2:42 before he shows the 67F on the IR and says "cooled the room down". The longer that unit runs in that room, the hotter that room will get. I am going to order one and do one of my AC teardown videos if/when it comes. Subscribe to me if you want to see it!
The video creator has already stated in a comment that after 3 hours the room temp only decreased by 1 degree. Literally not even worth mentioning nevermind using lol
@@metatron6066 If you ran this unit in an enclosed room for 3 hours, that room would almost certainly be significantly _warmer_ than when you started.
Wow. That'll be great if you could show how the back temperature gets warmer as we sometime has to close the windows and doors in our small size room due to rain. Thank you very much.
@@JussPerfect will do when (if?) I receive the unit!
Can you explain exactly how ot cools with out venting heat ousdide?
It transfers warm money to cold pockets of paid reviewers
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@@brylozketrzynNow a days people make living out of that 😀😃😂
How often do you have to empty out the water?
Works great as long as you hold the temp gun directly in front of the fan
So how is this different than a swamp cooler using water, blowing it back out. ? and Is it a spot cooler, or does it actual bring down the temperature of the room after 1-2 hours of run time?
I believe it is different technology that a swamp cooler. It isn't adding humidity to the room.
@@911Reviews Oh yes it is. It's just a variation on a swamp cooler that uses more energy.
@@911Reviewsoh it's going to be adding humidity. It just won't do it with cool moist air. It's doing it in the form of warm and muggy air.
Laws of thermodynamics won't let this thing cool down a room without a way to get rid of the heat. If anything, it's going to slowly increase the overall heat content of the room. There's no way around it.
I wonder how to replace the R290 refrigerant ? is there an external connector ? On kickstarter, they keep saying it needs an official repair shop, but don't give much information. This doesn't encourage me to purchase one. It's very easy to reload coolant in 2024, you have special cans for that.
How often do you replace your fridge's coolant?
@@user-th9ug9kq1z lol, for real!
@@user-th9ug9kq1z sounds like a bot comment
It would be more believable if the water had to be replaced every so often. The heat has to be removed from the room one way or another!
Is this a paid for review? How did you get it early?
Product shill
yet another undisclosed advertisement
Does it cool the room like a real air conditioner?
If you keep this on for half a day, you'll end up with mostly the same temp but with some electricity wasted 😅
It's this device dehumidifying the air a lot and keeping things cool?
Great video. Where can I purchase one in the US
if i measure my (real) airco with a infrared thermometer i get around the 41F with in 5min. with a ambiant temp of 85F and still i think its to hot after 5 hours. oww i see it has a cooling cooling capacity of 845W and it does seem to have a compressor. so it will cool down your 10 square feet room. the one i have is 5200W cooling capacity do you see the differnce.
Im from New Zealand and cannot find anywhere to buy this. Can you help?
You can’t measure air temperature with an infrared thermometer
Can you have it automatically kick in when the room hits a certain temperature?
I don't see that option.
What temps were you getting out of the fan after running for a while?
It's not a cooler, it's a heater.
I see is only 425w is about 2900 btu is only for very small room?
It is a good fan for cooling a small area.
it's not made to cool a room, its made to blow some cool air in your face, the room/space will actually get warmer as its using 425w to run a fan and compressor. Evaporation of water is used to cool the refrigerant so it will also increase the humidity in the room as well.
Do you know how many watts it pulls? I wonder if it can be ran from a portable battery...
It’s a little over 300 watts per hour, so a medium sized 1 kWh battery could run it for about 3 hours
Can you please show me how to change the battery in that D1201 Telescope Pedestal Fan. I can't get the bottom off not nothing. Please help. Thank you.
I'm sorry. I don't have that fan anymore. I don't recall how to do that.
@@911Reviews Oh okay thank you for getting back to me.
@@applepie1923 No problem. Hope you subscribe.
So it's a combination AC and swamp cooler. It uses water to cool down the exhaust, which is gonna do great things for your humidity levels.
Is it quiet enough to sleep with it on?
Yes. It is very quiet.
@@911Reviews Thanks 👍
I backed it up on Kickstarter!
@@ddeliyski If you like throwing money away, donate to charity instead of supporting scammers.
I also would like to understand how this is supposed to work 🤷♀️
This thing is still on kickstarter...why is he acting like you can go pick one up today at home depot?
Paid shill shilling
It might be new to him
I have ordered one on Kickstarter.
Let's see if will be delivered or not.
Let us know if you like it!
Hope you can let us know how long you got it and also the input and output temperature.
I wonder if it would work in a motorhome? Tried the EcoFlow Wave 2 that had 5000BTU of cooling and a hose but it wasn't sufficient for the warm summers here in Spain.
this is only 3000 btu & currently way overpriced, Its a spot cooler
It doesn't actually work anywhere, imo.
According to kickstarter, it has R290 refrigerant
That's not saying much.
Superficial information because this will never work. But we all know this right? RUclipsr should be ashamed of this 'review'.
Often youtubers answer the subscribers questions here not a word, is it because he cannot stand for the product...
YOu look like you could use a nap
I could
When I travel to China, they have those human size portable AC units standing at the corner of the room and making cool air. There is no hot air discharging duck or nothing. Why those units are not available in the US?
I saw one in the Verizon store the other day ,
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Seems like something I would enjoy!
I need some AC here in Fl.
this is a spot cooler that will not cool down a room well
Paid review I guess. This is not an air conditioner. Period.
This thing uses refrigerant so I don't know why people are saying this is a swamp cooler
Thermodynamics, maybe think where the heat goes... or doesn't.
@user-sd3ik9rt6d I know what you are saying but it does not look like a swamp cooler
@@Adam913515 it uses refrigerant like a fridge or an air conditioner, so it has a cold side and a hot side, warm air is drawn in and blown over the cold side. this warmth is pushed to the hot side where it is sprays water onto the radiator to cool it down. The water would then get hot and evaporate raising the humidty in the room just like a swamp cooler. I don't doubt it makes some cold air for 10-15 minutes but as soon as that water has warmed up and the radiator can't cool down enough the air coming out of it will be similar to a normal fan but with the added bonus of increase humidity from water and heat from the hot side of the radiator. The only way to then make it cool the room would be to replace the water every 20-30 minutes and/or add some ice to the bucket to help cool the radiator.
@gump1031 I agree with everything except doesn't a swamp cooler use water to cool an area? This uses refrigerant, so it can't be called a swamp cool
@@Adam913515 technically it might not be, but it will share a lot of the issues that come with a swamp cooler. it's obviously got a more complicated design that a normal swamp cooler in that refrigerant is used and I imaging the air flow will feel cooler than using evaporated water on a filter. But the heat that the refrigerant pulls from the air is the dumped into water which will evaporate the water. The room temp will also increase like a swamp cooler but given it is using 450w compared to 50-100w of a traditional swamp cooler I imagine it will get warmer faster. I would also hope that they have found a way to prevent mold which will like the warm water in the tank.
_Nonsense video. Morphy Richards themselves say not to use it in a closed space. Instead, they call it a "spot cooler for open or semi-open spaces".... for the reason that, thermodynamically, in a closed space it's going to make that space hotter and more humid over time._
_Here's a video answering these questions from someone from Morphy Richards who actually knows what they're talking about (at least he understands the engineering principles)._
ruclips.net/video/9byHjxdbvYA/видео.html
Seems like nobody here got the unit to test out yet. So all we can say is just the promotion and advertising information. Not confident about how much heat generated out to the back part of the environment.