2022 Elan Ripstick 96 Black Edition Ski Review with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2021
- Elan just announced their new 2022 Ripstick Black Edition collection and you can already pick up a pair! They did only do a limited early release, so there aren't a ton of them just yet...
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I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort you put into your. reviews, and all the information you put out there. I just ordered a set of 96 Blacks with Phantom 2.0 yesterday from the website. My local shop will have them in a month, but I wanted to order the 96’s from the RUclips site I follow closely and support what you do. Thank you for introducing me to these skis, I almost purchased a ski that I think would have not been as versatile and fun. Thank you again.
Love seeing more skiing in your reviews and the slo-mo shots are great!
Thanks David!
I picked up a pair of the Black RIP 96’s in the 188cm length. I ski groomers at the Hump (Afton Alps) here in Minnesota. I’m 6’3’ and 185 and they are so light and easy to whip around. Amazingly stable and I had a run the other day @ 47mph without even realizing it until I checked my results on my Slopes app. I now alternate them with my Mantra M 5’s in a 184cm length. Both solid sticks but the Rips are definitely more fun! I’m 67 and on my way to 51 sessions and 500K vert for the season.
Pretty amazing skis, huh? Basically every time we ski them, we're reminded of how good they are.
Hey team love the videos. I’m tossing up between the 96 and 106 blacks. I mostly skis 100 plus width for a bit most stability in the crud and variable stuff but ski in New Zealand and it’s pretty firm most of the time. I ski off piste and tour a fair bit so will be running shift bindings. For reference my fav demo last season was Salomon QST106
In my opinion, if you're going to be touring a lot and using it in varied terrain and conditions, go with the 106. It also sounds like you love that width based on your feedback to the QST 106. You'll get more stability through choppy snow and more float in the soft stuff. You do lose a little bit of edge to edge quickness, but for your application and based on your background, 106 feels like it makes a lot of sense.
2020 Elan106 Black Ripstick is the most versicle and pleasurable ski I have ever owned. Set up with demo bindings positioned forward of center the ski performs GS and Short turns immaculately, with the bindings set back of center skiing fresh snow is effortless and what surprised me the most is how agile the ski is in moguls. Undoubtedly an all-time great one quiver ski.
It's an amazing ski! Seriously impressive what Elan has achieved.
I've got the 2020 versions and these look even better! Those carbon tubes do a lot more than people would expect, so adding more of them to the construction I can only imagine how damp the skis feel.
It's pretty wild. I've been a big fan of the carbon tubes since they introduced them, but I don't think I would've expected that adding 2 more would quiet the ski as much as it has... Still love the versions you have too...
Great review I am an Elan ski person. I own the Wingman prototype and the SL . This is one ski I want to add to my arsenal but wanted to ski it first. Sounds like a great all round free ride ski.
My guess is that you will not be disappointed.
I just got some armada arv 96 and those are real fun! These look amazing also! I want some
Just skied these in everything from 5” of fresh pow to firm groomers to ice to variable. This is a one-ski quiver. I have a crush on this ski.
Elan really is making some fantastic skis right now and I expect you'll see more and more of them in years to come.
I am obsessed with this ski also. When the 172 is available I'm pulling the trigger.
@Michael Aldrich are you riding the 96 or 106?
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First I would like to commend your reviews. Very informative and considered. Top notch. I've been skiing for 30+ years. East coast but have now moved to BC. Very different. I currently ski an older Rossignol CX80 with Axial bindings. 16.5M turn radius at 170cm, 80 mm underfoot and heavy. A frontside ski masquerading as an All mountain. The soft stuff is not their forte. They love speed, eat crust and blow through most hard snow conditions however they require lots of work to get them to sing. A day on these and you will feel it. My question regards the Fischer 102 FR vs the Elan Ripstick 96 Black. I've narrowed my selection down to these as I feel they address my desire for skis that will allow for more varied terrain and are somewhat lighter (Elan more so) and playful. I still need them to rip groomers but I'd like to spend more time off-piste and in the trees. What are the performance differences between these two skis? Assume I will go with a length in the 172-180 range. 5'7" 180 lbs athletic skier. Any comments welcome.
Hey Frank! Gosh, both great skis. Hard to go wrong there. The Ripstick is softer flexing, but also has more vibration damping. A very smooth feeling ski, and I think most skiers would find it a little more maneuverable and more playful. Kind of depends on skiing style, however, as the Ranger is more of a twin tip and has more freestyle influence in its shape, so certainly has some playfulness to it, just feels different with the stiffer flex pattern. The other difference i feel is the Ranger feels more precise. There's a lot of torsional stiffness in the tip from the Carbon Nose, so it feels very reactive and precise when entering a turn. The Ripstick doesn't feel quite as responsive, but smoother. Hope that helps!! Really enjoy skiing both of those, so hard for me to say one is just better than the other.
Hey Jeff! I'm pretty psyched about getting my hands on a pair of these but I was wondering if you could help differentiate these from something like the Declivity 92 from Armada, since you've skied both of them. I know they are a little skinnier and slightly heavier than the Ripstick Blacks, but otherwise, they seem to be competing in the same-ish category of skis and I'm hearing very good things about both so I'm having trouble deciding on a pair. Lots of thanks!
Really good review thanks. Im 176cms and 73kg. I have head kore 105 for randonee (180). Ill keep them for the up but I am seriously looking at the black edition 96 this year. However, 172 or 180?. I would say Im advanced to expert and i know in the end the differences are marginal but we may as well try and get it right. In the bumps i guess 172 would be easier? I have no idea what to take. Can you help? I have read somewhere they ski quite short which would lean towards 180 but for me 172 in the bumps makes more sense. Piste/crud/powder probably makes little difference?
Great review, and the most informative ski reviews around. The ripstick has been on my radar for a while now. But need advice. I'm an intermediate skier that wants a ski to progress with. Looking at all mountain ski really. Skiing European resorts. I already have a Dynastar legend X84. But would like something wider for the softer days mainly on piste fresh snow and through the trees etc. The issue is that although I'm an intermediate skier, I'm Gym heavy. 5'11 & 230lbs. So some skis sound great for my ability, but I may be too heavy for them.
Have been looking at ripsticks, volkl blaze, which both sound great, and Nordic 104, Rustlers 9&10. Or the Qst 99.
I ski blue and reds comfortably, with the odd shorter black run
I'm not looking to ski really aggressively, and want something I can progress with. Either a wider ski in addition to my legend X84. Or something that can replace it as a one ski quiver in addition to the ones I've listed
A long question I know, but any advice would be greatly appreciated
Hi Michael! I expect the Blaze would feel a little too light for you, and I also think the Rustler 9 isn't wide enough, so I think we can rule those two out right away. Ripstick 96, Rustler 10, and QST 99 all feel like good options to me. They're all approachable for an intermediate, all will be supportive for your size, and all will be good skis to support your progression going forward. Ripstick 96 is the lightest of that group, and the most agile. QST 99 and Rustler 10 are both a little heavier, but neither is so heavy that it becomes fatiguing. Enforcer 104 could work too, but that's starting to feel like potentially too much ski to me. Even though you're a pretty big guy, I think the flex pattern, weight, and overall feel of the Enforcer might not be what you're looking for. The other 3 skis feel like a safer choice to me. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentialsHi, thank you for your reply. That's Very helpful indeed, and reinforced what direction I was heading for, and hoping you'd recommend
Again, great reviews. 👍
How would those compare to the new qst 98 and which one is more playful?
Great, thorough review! So when would someone opt for the green 96’s? I’m 155 and a good skier who prefers playful skiing the whole mountain as well as ripping it. It sounds like there is no trade-off - you get all the playfulness plus additional damping…
Less aggressive and/or lighter skiers may prefer the Green 96. It's lighter and softer-flexing, so if you're not charging around at higher speeds, the Green is easier to ski and in general more accessible for someone who's not skiing super fast. I'm about your weight and I notice less of a difference between the Green and Black Ripsticks than someone like Bob. I still find value in the Black Edition, but I also like to ski really fast sometimes. If I didn't do that as often and/or was going to use them in the trees a lot, I would stick with the Green.
Those bad boys look great, I pushed buying new skis to next year since all resorts will probably stay closed for the season in France, and I'll make do with rental, my 6y old pseudo-slalom Volkls if they open for a few weeks or with my aging plate fix touring set.
I'm a pretty aggressive skier, not pro level but did some racing on the regional level as a junior. I cycle quite a lot and am only 70-73kg (155-160lbs) for 1m78 (5'10), so it seems that they should be largely enough ski if I take them in 1m80.
What are your thoughts on putting switch bindings on them for a one ski quiver I'd keep in Paris and bring with friends on week-ends/short trips, be it resort, backcountry or both, while I'll let my touring set at my parent's in the Alps (bringing two pairs by train is quite annoying).
180 is definitely the way to go. I'm almost exactly your size and that length feels perfect to me. Mounting it with a Shift would be a really, really good setup. Extremely versatile and will do everything you need it to do. Hope that helps!
Great review guys! I demo’d the regular Ripstick 96s in 172 last year and was blown away. So playful, so fast, so easy- the best ski I have ever ridden. I’m torn between buying the Black Ripstick 96 and the Black 106. I ski mostly out west, and am about 50/50 on and off the slopes. Any advice on which width would be best
5’8”, 175lbs, strong aggressive skier.
It is noticeably stiffer than the regular Ripstick, yeah. From what you've said, I think you'd probably actually prefer the normal version. The Black Edition has more power and more vibration damping, but it does lose some of the playfulness and pop IMO. Depends whether you need the extra vibration damping, or whether you want it.
Black 106, the pop is unbelievable. I have mine set up with demo bindings for the greatest versatility.
These look great but my god, watching these videos from lockdown London where it looks like there will be no chance of skiing this season is killing me!
Damn, those look so cool
Thanks for this and all your reviews. How do these compare to the DPS Wailer 100s ? Some background ... I haven't bought skis in 12 years and just did a demo day trying Nordica Enforcer 100s and DPS Wailer 100s and preferred the DPSs. I ski 70% groomers / 30% off piste in California. I value doing short turns and moguls over GS turns and speed, but really want my skis to be OK at both. I am 6'0"" and 210lbs.
It's kind of like if you were to blend the performance of the Wailer 100 with the Enforcer 100. They have more edge grip and more vibration damping than the Wailer, but they're lighter, quicker, and more agile than the Enforcer. Since you're looking for a relatively even mix of performance characteristics, I think the Ripstick 96 Black might be the best option for you out of those 3 skis!
Thank you for your work! Armada Declivity 92 TI or These ripstick (6 black) for 220 lbs guys trying to do everything on the east coast slopes?
Both are good skis for an eastern all mountain ski. The Declivity will give you a little more edge to edge quickness and a little bit more precision. Ripsticks are more versatile. More maneuverable off-piste, quicker in the trees, etc. More float in soft snow. Not as quick edge to edge as the Declivity, but still really good on firm snow too.
These skis look super fun for a wide variety of terrain and conditions but the left/right ski thing is hard for me to get my head around since I swap left/right on my Brahmas every other day or so- giving me the option to sharpen less often and balance out my edge wear. Are these skis so good that I should get over my left/right thing or is this something to consider?
A fair amount of people have expressed that same concern, but realistically you're not shortening the lifespan of your skis that much, I guess unless you're tuning your skis A LOT and wearing through your edges is why you replace most of your skis. Does that make sense? Is other words, yes, they're really good, and I think most people stuck on the left/right thing should at least give them a try.
I'm 6ft and 210lbs advanced skier, looking at the 96 ski, would this be ok for me size ?
Great review, as always. Bob seemed to love these in the moguls. Do they behave differently compared to the normal Ripsticks in moguls? I demo'd the normal Ripsticks and loved the ability to modify turn shape and the energy and pop of the ski, but found them to be hooky in moguls. Wonder if the mogul issue was just me. No issues in moguls with the Wingman 86 or Nordica Navigator.
Definitely behave similarly to the normal Ripstick in moguls. It sounds to me like you're not a fan of wider skis in moguls, which isn't tremendously surprising. If you're used to the quickness of narrower skis, something in the 96+ width range can feel like a lot in the bumps and definitely can feel hooky.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the reply. Any suggestions for slightly narrower all mountain skis with similar energy/pop and capability to handle various turn shapes? Cheers,
Man, super thanks for another awesome review. I'm 5-5 140# high level expert, alpine and mogul coach. I love a playful, quick ski. Would the regular rip stick suit me better? (being so light). Fatigue is a factor as well. I'm assuming the regular RS is lighter. Is that difference noticeable? THANK YOU!
They are both pretty comparable in weight. The black edition just provides a more stout and robust profile than the original but is still forgiving and playful.
Have you tested the Atomic Maverick 95 yet? If so, how would you compare the Ripstick to the Maverick? I'm deciding if I should wait for the Atomics to hit the store.
Thanks much,
Kevin
Mavericks have a bigger turn radius, so don't feel like they're coming across the fall line as easily as the Ripsticks. The shape is quite a bit different. They're both a lot of fun, but have their differences. We just did a review of the Maverick 100 and a lot of that carries over to the 95.
They nailed the graphics, always awesome to see bob rip moguls, who was the grey jacket person on groomers? looked very nice as well!
The quick shot? Light blue jacket? Probably Marcus? The tan/khaki is me (Jeff) now. Bob is crazy good in the moguls. It's so hard trying to follow him with a camera, but a challenge I will always accept!
@@SkiEssentials tan/khaki! then it was you! CARV would have been happy! with thoose turns I'm finally on snow again after my knee injury, Im so slow... and no jumps/park, but honestly just happy to be out! What would a close comparison for the ripstick black be, if any?
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So same performance as other skis in this range, but without the stiffness and weight. My god this sounds like the perfect ski.
It can definitely hold its own among those heavier, stiffer skis! Some heavier or super aggressive skiers may find it flexes too much for them, but realistically I think that's a very, very small percentage of all skiers, and there are plenty of stiff skis out there for those skiers to choose from.
I have the ripstick 88's and absolutely love them, was interested in a pair of the black edition 106's as well, but was curious if and when they will be available in the other length options
As far as I know, we only get the 180 and 188 cm lengths until later this summer. They did a limited early production run and I'm 99% sure it was only those two lengths.
@@SkiEssentials awesome, thanks!
As always, the Professional Bob & Jeff (PB&J) team delivers. LOL. How would you compare these 2020 96 BE to K2 Mindbender 90Ti? I am 6'0" & 210 lbs and ski in Utah. Current quiver of Stocklis Laser AX in 175, Mindbender 90Ti in 184, and Enforcer 104 FR in 186. Thinking about replacing the Mindbender 90 as my everyday skis for both ripping/carving groomers and some bumps/moguls. Could also use them at Sun Valley's steep, long groomers. Also, I'm an advanced intermediate and progressing fast...what length? 180 or 188? Thanks much.
They have a different feel than the MIndbender 90. Softer flex, but smoother, more vibration damping, and more rocker/taper. I do think they're more versatile than the Mindbender 90, especially considering you're skiing out west. Feels like a very nice fit between the Laser AX and Enforcer 104. For length, 180 feels like the best choice. I don't think you'd want them to be longer than your Enforcers... I keep coming back to that. I'm sure you could ski the 188, but it kind of feels like overkill considering where it's going to fit in your quiver and the conditions/terrain you'll most likely be using them for. Hope that helps!
A question for Jeff- What length were you skiing, 180 or 188? I'm about your size, 5'8", 165lbs and par ability as you. Could/would you handle the 188 with no big issues or a little too much ski in the 188? (Maybe mount the bindings a cm fwd?) I ask because you guys only have the 188 in stock at this time, normally I'd go with the 180, but I'm thinking about the 188. (I read somewhere that the 188 is more like a 186.5). What are your thoughts?
I'm 180 all day long in the Ripstick 96, normal or Black. I could ski the 188, yeah, but I wouldn't choose to. Even if I was somewhere out west with more open terrain and didn't need the maneuverability, I think I would still go 180. 188 just feels like overkill to me. Hope that helps!
I just skied at Copper Mountain in Colorado and used the regular Ripstick 96's in the 172cm, but I am interested in buying the Black Edition model. I liked the 172's, but I am 5'11" 190lbs and wonder if I would be better off in the 180cm if I went with the Ripstick 96 Black Editions. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Yeah, at your size, I think the 180 cm is the more appropriate length. It's still nice and maneuverable, but more float and more stability, which is nice to have.
What GoPro model and what mode and setting are you using for these high quality videos?
Hey Chris! This season I've been using mostly the Hero 9 Black, but we use the Max sometimes too. With the Hero 9, I've been shooting most footage at 2.7k and 60fps. That allows me to crop in a little bit when needed (I export at 1080). The color saturation is a lot better on the 9 than any GoPro I've used before, which goes a long way in the final product in my opinion...
I've been looking to get these skis, I'm a light person but an advanced skier. I'm 5'6" and based on the playfulness of this ski and menuverability, would you suggest the 164 or 172?
Hi Jesse! I'm leaning towards 164. When you say light, how light are we talking? I'm assuming quite light, and if that's the case, 164 should work really well even as an advanced skier.
How does the Ripstick compare in soft snow / back country to the Fischer Ranger 102? I want to pair with a G3 ION for 80% off piste. Thanks for such great reviews!
A little softer flex pattern than the Ranger. More supple and a little more forgiving, not quite as responsive, but certainly not far off. I find the Ripstick a little easier to ski as well.
Would be super interesting the differences to the salomon qst 99 . Especially also in soft snow conditions. Is the salomon still the “better” ski for an expert skiier that searches a good all mountain ski ? I know that there is no “good” or “ bad” ski 😉.... may be a quick comparison between those two skis would help me a lot . Thanks so much for your great reviews and always good vibe that your are transmitting ! Hang loose from europe
Yeah I think the QSTs are a good comparison to these Ripsticks. They definitely have their similarities. To me, the Ripsticks feel more energetic and more precise. The QST 99 is a very smooth ski with a very surfy feel for that width range, although it's also heavier. So, kind of depends on skiing style more than ability. Someone who prefers a higher edge angle would almost definitely like the Ripstick more, in my opinion, but someone with more freestyle/freeride influence in their skiing who wants to do a lot of slashing, smearing turns may prefer the QST...
Awesome review, as usual, Running a Declivity 102 but it is probably on the wide side for an NZ daily driver, was considering the 96 Ripstick Black to add to the quiver. Also will use, please god open your winter borders US/BC, as a travel ski. Although narrower, how would the ripstick compare to the 102? I'm 183/95kg advanced skier, mostly on piste, enjoy the trees when i get a chance. NZ conditions are mostly firm and almost always chopped up. Thanks in advance. Nick.
I'm Also from NZ. Sound similar to your requirement. Looking for something I can use in NZ, though mainly used as an off piste/ travel ski (usually France/Japan). Currently have mavericks 86, and then I hire powder skis on destination. Looking for a good off piste travel ski. Noting I do like to bash pistes as much as searching for powder. Hired the enforcer 100s in Austria Jan this year. Was thinking that, or the rips in 104. Did you get them?
@@thefabulousplatypus8956 Gday, No I didnt go the Ripstick direction, I got a set of Blizzard Rustler 10s (old model now) and took them to BC. Great ski, more soft snow orientated but goes well on harder snow as long as you are not expecting claw like grip. Also got a set of Rustler 9s (new model) for the NZ winter, should be nice middle ground for soft and hard snow. Cheers Nick.
Would these suit an intermediate groomer skier/beginner off piste skier? And what size would suit? 5ft10, 90kg..cheers, reviews are fantastic
Yes, I do think they would work for that application. It will likely take you some time to grow into them or adapt to the wider ski, assuming you've been on narrower skis thus far, but I don't think they're tremendously demanding or too hard to ski. For length, I would go 180 cm.
Very nice graphics, I love it! How does those 106 Ripstick black skis compare to Salomon QST 106? I am curious to know your answer on that because I was thinking about buying a pair of QST. I would use them mainly in the west bowls. I already own a pair of Sky 7 HD. Thanks!!
I find the Ripsticks feel a little more energetic and snappier in and out of a turn. The QST 106 feels more surfy, and a little heavier on your feet as well. They're both very smooth skis, but yeah, I think Ripstick has more energy, QST has easier edge release in deep snow, although that's a pretty close comparison...
@@SkiEssentials Thank you very much for your feedback! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
I've got the 2019/20 Liberty Origin 96s- how do these compare? I'm 5'9", 125 lbs with a relatively aggressive skiing style that skis in the Rockies and the East that's looking to put some Shifts on some skis as well.
These have more edge grip, feel more powerful, and have more vibration damping, although maybe not quite as agile as the Origin 96. That ski has more tail rocker, but the Ripstick is definitely still very quick among most skis.
what bindings do you recommend to even enhance the experience of these skis; Perhaps Look Pivots?
Pivots are fantastic. If you don't mind the extra price and are looking to maximize the ski's natural flex underfoot, it's the way to go.
Does the amphibio shape actually make a difference? Or is it a marketing gimmick?
Not sure if you guys skied on these in the trees or not, but what would your thoughts be on someone who likes tree skiing, and big drops buying this ski?
We dabbled in some tree skiing on them, just not a lot as we still don't have the base depths we'd like and didn't want to destroy some brand new 2022 demos... That said, I think it's a really, really good choice for someone who skis a lot of trees. Their shape allows for a lot of quickness and maneuverability, while still feeling stable too. My only thought is maybe the 106 would be even better, although I suppose that depends on how often you have fresh snow.
These or mindbender 90TI for one quiver east coast ski? Or would you go with something even narrower underfoot?
Both could work well. The Mindbender 90 is quicker edge to edge on a groomer and has a very strong, stable, damp feel, but it's not as versatile or as maneuverable at the Ripstick. The Ripstick is an extremely well-rounded ski, so if you're the type of skier who likes to ski a bunch of different stuff (groomers, moguls, trees, etc), I think there's a lot to like about the Ripstick. If you stick mostly to groomers, the MB 90 might be the better choice.
Guys, another Stellar review and I am Sold! I assume these have more energy out of the turn than a regular ripstick 96/106? Also how will these perform in the Chop/Crud/Chunder??? Exactly what I am looking for! I guess I might sell my Ripstick 106.
Actually, the energy out of a turn is really good on the regular Ripstick too, the bigger difference is the vibration damping, and that's really what's going to help in chop/crud/chunder conditions. You can push on them a little harder in a turn, so I guess there's a higher ceiling in terms of how much energy you can put in them and thus get out, so you probably will prefer their feel out of a turn. I just still think the regular Ripsticks are really good in that regard as well.
Thanks guys. Def need it in Crud/chop and at speed. Appreciate the response.
How does this compare to the Kastle FX 96? Wondering which is more of a charger and can bomb through the crud but still be a fun ski.
I'd say they're relatively similar in terms of how well they charge through choppy snow. There are definitely stiffer, more powerful skis out there, but both of those do very well, while being more versatile and more playful than those stiffer skis. To me the bigger difference is their shape and how that translates to feel. The Ripsticks have more rocker and taper, which in my opinion makes them feel more playful, while the FX 96 has less rocker and less taper, so a little more precise in how it reacts to skier input.
What are some of the metal sheet skis you reference? I weigh north of 250lbs and looking for a strong stable all mountain ski.
Nordica Enforcer 100, Blizzard Bonafide 97, Salomon Stance 96, Volkl M6 Mantra, those are all popular skis that fall into that category/description.
I have a quick question. Really trying to decide between the Ripstick 96 in green or black and the Blizzard Rustler 9. The blizzard keeps getting brought up in reviews as one of the most playful skis on the market. Have you demoed those and do you have views on how they compare? I ski out west and love trees, moguls and the more responsive and forgiving the better. I will occasionally bomb groomers with the kids too. Any advice between these 3 options? I’m 5’9” 165lbs.
The Rustler is a bit quicker edge to edge and has slightly better edge grip underfoot due to the narrower waist and the metal laminate. I do think that the 96 Black is one of the most versatile and well-rounded skis I've been on, and if you gave me a choice of one of those three, that's the one I'd take. But you have three fantastic options here, as the Ripsticks are incredibly energetic and agile while remaining damp and quiet on edge. Rustler is a great ski, especially if you don't want to think about it anymore--it's like they're on auto-pilot, they just go where you point them easily and nicely.
Hey there, I am thinking about to start ski touring, I ve got the 2016 Elan Ripstick 96 with the attack 13 freeride binding, now my question is, do you think its worth it to put a frame binding on it ? or a pin binding ? or just go for a new more touring spezific ski ?
I tour on the 2020 ripstick 96s with shift bindings. I’ve been really happy with this setup.
thx for the reply, thought about that as well, might be the perfect fit, they just the most expensiv 😅
A Duke PT 16 is more expensive if that makes you feel better... All jokes aside, yes, I do think the Shift is a perfect binding for it. A frame binding would take away some of the natural flex pattern of the Ripsticks, which is a big reason why they're so good.
I used to have Marker Duke’s, granted an older version, and I hated them. They were good for in resort skiing, but for touring, they were too heavy and had an unnatural pivot point out in front of the foot. I far prefer my Shifts.
Im thinking about these skis. Im 5'11 230lbs. Strong intermediate to Advanced level. Would i be better on the 180s or the longer 188? Thanks
Hey Seth! I feel like the 180 cm length is plenty of ski. The Black Edition has such great vibration damping and overall stability, I think it makes sense to stick with the shorter length for more maneuverability.
Great review...how do you compare this to ATOMIC Maverick 95 TI?
The Ripsticks feel a little more playful, at least I think most skiers would agree. Slightly softer flex pattern and more rocker in the tips and tails, also more taper. That gives them more maneuverability in deeper snow conditions or technical terrain. Mavericks feel more precise on firm snow. Lightweight, a little stiffer, and a longer effective edge. Not quite as surfy in deep snow, but still plenty capable thanks to their quickness and responsiveness.
I'm a west coast skier. Just picked up a pair of Moment Wildcat 108's for the off piste and powder days. Want to find a ski for the groomer days/ no snow days/ spring skiing days. These seem to check the boxes. I currently ski Solomon Shogun 98 under foot 168 cm. I'm 235 5'8". I was told that 174 in the Wildcats was ideal for me. What size in the Black Edition (strong intermediate/advanced skier)
Hey Tim! I'd go either 172 or 180. Your height aligns more with the 172 cm length, but if you're on the aggressive side of the spectrum, you could go 180 cm at your weight. I expect you'll probably prefer the 172, however, just based of what you're coming off. It also would be a little weird for your narrower skis to be longer than your powder skis, so I think 172 is probably the way to go.
Guys I still need help, love this new ski but.... The 2020 Black Edition is on sale here in my size and not sure if I should wait until the Fall for the 2022 BE. How much stiffer is the tail than the 2020 Black Edition. I understand that the 2022 BE is way more damp especially in the tips. I just don't know which way to go. Ski Copper Mountain & A-basin in spring 75% Black/Blue Groomers & 25% back bowls and trees and bumps. Is this thing that good I need to wait? Thx
They are pretty comparable in terms of stiffness, but the increased vibration damping highlighted in the new model is noticeable and might be worth the wait.
For a 6’1” 230 lb advanced skier that likes to rip everywhere but is still trying to master nasty bumps (think Killington’s Outer Limits. Not sure if I should go w these or the ‘24 Rustler 9s for my East Coast OSQ. Leaning toward the Ripstick Black in 180. Thoughts, and which size for the Rustler?
I have no issues with either ski for your stats and application. At 6'2 225, I found the Ripstick Black to be more natural feeling with a stronger tail (which I like in the bumps). The Rustler has more of a freeride flair to it while Ripstick is decidedly more all-mountain. I'd go 180 in either ski, but lean to the Elan.
do you know if there is a black edition planned for the 88 model?
Not yet, although we'd be pretty excited to see one.
Does the black edition here lose any of the "fun" factor compared to the 2021 Ripsticks? I would ask the same question on the 2020 Black compared to the 2021 Regular. Trying to figure out what the best option for the money is between the 3 of them.
The non-Black skis do have a little bit more pop to them, but I don't necessarily think the Black Edition lacks any fun factor compared to the normal Ripstick, it's just a slightly different feel. Does that make sense? Still light, still super maneuverable, just damper and quieter, but still very fun. 2020 Black vs 2021 Regular is less of a difference, the 2020 Black isn't as damp as the 2021, so the flex pattern feels a little more similar to the 2021 Regular. Definitely a ton of value in that 2020 Black right now...
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the help! definitely going to pick up one of these in the next few months. I currently ski a 167 Atomic nomad blackeye...I'm 5'8" and about 168#, what length would you recommend?
How do you feel about this ski in a touring application?
Great! Definitely light enough and super versatile for all the different snow conditions and terrain you can encounter while touring.
Jeff & Bob, your timing is uncanny. Just yesterday, I A-B demoed the Elan Wingman 86CTI and the Ripstick at Cannon Mt., NH. Besides the width differences, I came away thinking I like the shape of the Ripstick and the lightness but preferred the edge hold of the Wingman better, and in the end, since Cannon, most days can be a mixed bag, I need the ice grip more than the quickness/lightness. Now we have the 2022 Ripstick BE's, so my question is does this get close to the edge grip of the Wingman? I currently have Brahmas and my tails wash out even after a tune. I also agree that I am looking for an alternative to the 2 sheets of metal heavier skis like the Blizzard, Nordica, and Volkls so I can get the lightness to decrease the fatigue factor. I was stunned by the Wingman edge grip as it was as good as the troika above, but a few hundred grams lighter, so I thought I was finally barking up the right tree. I am looking for a Unicorn, i.e a ski with as good edge grip (ice hold) as "heavy metal" but the lightness and quickness of the non-metal options. Your thoughts?
Yes! I do think the edge grip of the Black Edition is getting closer to the Wingman. It still does feel different, mostly thanks to the differences in shape. The Wingman has extended sidecut, no taper or massive rocker, which gives it a more precise feel when linking turns, but yeah, Ripstick Black Edition edge grip is very, very close to the Wingman. I never once felt like I was going to wash out on these.
I am 5'10" and 210lbs, what length would you suggest in the 2022 BE, I've tried a couple ski's at 172, but I can't find them anywhere, should I be skiing on the 180s.
Yeah, I would go 180 cm in the Black Edition for sure. That's the length I (Jeff) ski and you're quite a bit heavier. I think 172 would feel short.
I’m 5’8” and 145lbs and am looking to progress out of intermediate next season. I skied 175cm Jski Masterblasters this season and just hated them in bumps and trees. I would assume going with 172 is the way to for me?
Is this a good all mountain carving ski if my soft snow ski is a Rustler 10? Or are they too similar?
HI Connke!
I look for about 10 mm difference in my skis to justify the spread. This is right on the cusp of doable in my book, although the Ripstick 96 Black was one of my favorite all-mountain skis that I tried last year. I'd also add the Black Crows Serpo to that list as a good low-90's ski that's great at carving but also all-mountain oriented. Just a bit more torsional stiffness for good carving, but still well-rounded. Either choice is great, just with a slight lean to the carvier Serpo for your application.
I’m a 5’10”, 155 lb advanced skier. Would the 180 or 172 be right for me?
I (Jeff) am basically exactly your size and think the 180 cm length feels perfect.
How do these skis stack up against the Head Kore 99? I was all set on the Kore 99 but this review has me reconsidering.
Same here, I was also going to get the Kore 99, would love to hear how the reviewers compare these to the Elan Ripstick Blacks, and if you had your mind set on the Kore 99 184, what ripstick Black fits best, 180 or 188. I'm 6 ft, 187lbs, good skier? Thanks for the great reviews!
The Kore 99 is stiffer, especially in a longitudinal sense. It's more responsive. It reacts to skier input incredibly quickly. The Ripsticks have a softer longitudinal flex pattern, and the construction has more of a smooth, damp feel. Absorbs vibrations better than the Kore, but it's not quite as responsive. They're both highly maneuverable, just feel different. The Kore very reactive and quick, the Ripsticks smoother and more surfy. Interestingly, edge grip and torsional stiffness is about the same between them, so they both carve very well. With the good edge grip, but softer flex pattern of the Ripstick, I find you can manipulate carving turn shape more easily, although alternatively the Kore has more to push against when you're in a turn. Hope that helps!
Hey Dave, Ripstick Black 88 feels like a closer comparison to the Kore 99 in a 184 cm.
Being 185cm tall and 175 pounds, advanced skier, would you recommend the 180 or 188 length?
I'm pretty darn sure I'd want the 188 cm at your size. For comparison, I'm about 178 cm and 150 lbs and the 180 cm feels great.
What lengths do the
Elan ripstick black edition come in?
164, 172, 180, 188 cm.
What are the pros and cons as compared to the 2022 Enforcer 94?
Enforcer 94 is still going to feel more powerful. It's also heavier, so it will track better through chopped up snow. The Ripstick is more agile, easier to ski in soft snow, and less tiring. What makes it so cool is you still get very impressive amounts of stability and power too. Not Enforcer-level, but pretty close. The metal really makes the biggest difference. Some skiers will just prefer the heavier ski, some will prefer the lighter Ripstick. Both are exceptionally smooth.
Which would you buy? The blizzard bonafide 97 or the elan ripstick 96 black edition.....asking for a friend
Hi Darren! They're both awesome skis. The Bonafide is still basically the most powerful, strongest ski in its class. So powerful, incredible vibration damping, it's just a missile. It is, however, harder to handle in off-piste situations, especially technical terrain that requires a lot of quick turns. The Ripstick 96 Black, on the other hand, is much more versatile overall. Far easier when you take it off trail and noticeably less fatiguing overall. It doesn't have quite the edge grip, vibration damping, or stability of a Bonafide 97, but you need to be a really, really good skier to find the limit of the Ripstick. Which would I buy? That would be completely dependent on what other skis I owned. Hope that helps!
Performance wise - how does the 2020 BE compare vs the 2022 BE?
I'd like to know the answer to this question also.
Overall, I think they're quite similar, but the 2022 is noticeably quieter. More vibration damping, that's really the biggest difference. On the contrary, I think you could argue the 2020 is quicker and more "flickable" partly due to the shape difference, partly due to the construction difference.
How would you compare them to the Salomon QST 92 ? Thanks 🙏
A little more energy, more pop out of each turn. I do think the Ripstick is more damp and quiet too, specifically compared to the QST 92. The 99 and 106 feel more damp than the 92 in my opinion.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks - always appreciate your expertise ...
i know I'm late to the party, but I'm 6'3-6'4" and about 185-190 pounds. I'm a fairly aggressive skier and like to go pretty fast. Do you think the 188's would be best for me?
Yes, I'm 6'2 225 and find the 188 to be perfect.
Awesome content guys, as always. I own a pair of chetler 100s in the 172. But these have really gotten my attention. Just seem like everyone across the board loves them.
1) is it worth it to add this to my quiver (all I have is the chetler 100s) - I know it’s not probably a large difference in application but they just seem awesome
2) for sizing if I did get them should I size up to 180 or stay at 172. (I’m advanced level, roughly 6’ but a lighter weight guy at 155 soaking wet)
Hey Tanner! Definitely could be worth it. Much more vibration damping and overall stability in the Rip 96 Black than your Bent Chetlers. I expect you'll feel a noticeable difference. For length, I would go 180 cm at your size. I'm a similar weight and just a couple cm shorter and I prefer the 180 cm length for sure.
Thank you for this great review. What kind of binding would you recommend?
A lot of skiers have been choosing the Tyrolia Attack 13 on these skis. That's the demo binding we tested it with and it performs really well with this ski. It also matches (black on black). Plenty of other bindings could work, of course, like a black Pivot would look pretty slick, but there's a lot of value in that Attack 13.
How would Marker Griffons be on these skis?
How do these compare please to Rustler 9 and Head core 93?
Definitely in that same overall category... all-mountain skis with some good maneuverability/versatility. The Ripstick feels the most energetic out of all of those skis, in my opinion. It's easy to load the ski up and it has a rewarding energetic, snappy feel linking turns. It has more vibration damping than the Kore 93, more similar to the Rustler in that regard, but it's lighter than the Rustler. So, lighter than the Rustler, smoother than the Kore, more expensive than both by a significant amount.
@@SkiEssentials very many thanks for responding..
Rip stick or J ski master blaster? I’m up in the air now
I might be biased, but in my opinion there's a lot more technology in the Ripstick and it's noticeable in its performance. There aren't many skis that surprise me anymore, but I'm consistently impressed by the performance of the Ripsticks. It doesn't make sense how good they are while also being lightweight.
Hi I ski deacon 76’s at 181 and absolutely love them. I am 6,2 . 170 and fairly aggressive frontside carver. Would these be a nice quiver addition for me as all mountains in either the 180, or 188 lengths? (Primarily asking about length)
Thanks! You guys make the best ski review vids on YT
Hi Neil! Yeah, these would be an excellent ski for you. Would give you a lot more versatility than your Deacon 76. I'm kind of torn on length. I suppose I'm leaning towards 188 mostly based on your height. That's pretty much exactly how tall you are, and even though you're relatively lightweight for your height, I still think 188 would probably feel better than 180. The only thing that would change my mind is if you're located on the east and ski a lot of tight trees, where the 180 would be more beneficial.
Amazing thank you! I must be honest your ski reviews are so thoroughly enjoyable/ knowledgeable I’m addicted. It’s making my next ski purchase a rather difficult decision lol. Cheers!
The best ski I have ever ridden.
Pretty amazing, huh?
the Kendo used to be my "fun" ski that i replaced with the Brahma (not as fun) and Vantage. maybe i should give the ripstick a try for that purpose. Interesting about the "tip bending" i do occasionally drive very forward on my toes (probably too much ) but i do like my shovel to give a little to transition/plow through mixed snow. @11:20 that's about as high as i go these days.
I would definitely try them if you can! Bigger fun factor than any of those 3 skis...
I’m sold what size. Been skiing a 170 kendo. 510
I'm 5'10 and feel right at home on the 180 cm length in these skis. I'm pretty lightweight, but also think I ski fairly aggressively. They definitely ski a lot shorter than the Kendo. If you're worried about the 180, you could go 172...
@@SkiEssentials thanks I am leaning to the 180
are these not for sale yet cant even find them on the elan website
That's weird, 'cause I just bought a pair in 188 and rode them today.
@@nathanyork362 what in the new 2022 graphic? On their website they still have the old one.
@@donalddarko3676 Yes, the new 2022 Black Edition. My local dealer had a couple of the 96 and 106. I demoed the 96 and wow, what a great ski. I bought their last (only?) pair of 96 in 188 :) It's not the hardest chargingest ski, nor the best in deep pow, nor the most playful. Yet it does everything really well: icy steeps, groomers, bumps, crud, off-piste...love how I can carve on it, but also easy to release the tails when I want to. Just a ton of fun all over the mountain. And it does all this while being very light, which makes it easy to flick around and not at all fatiguing like some of the metal laminate skis I demoed. Not for everyone, there are better skis for those that specialize in certain areas/conditions. But for me, an advanced skier who likes to mix it up all over the mountain in different conditions and speeds and just have fun, it's exactly what I was looking for.
The 2022 Ripsticks are for sale in limited quantities and sizing options. The formal release of the ski will be over the summer.
So, this was a different review video for me, gentlemen: getting to see Bob absolutely rip in moguls on those things and the tone of the review-- you guys seemed to have a total blast on those skis! Ski of the year contender? Most curious about how these would compare to the Head Kore 93s?
We were having a lot of fun, that's for sure. I'm glad it comes through in the review. We don't like giving titles like "Ski of the Year," but if we did, it would probably be in the running. It's objectively a very good ski. Not for everyone (we do still feel that ski performance is more subjective), but yeah, it's a very, very good ski.
you need two pairs of skis...powder skis are not great on really hard pack...the all mountain skis are a compromise in really deep snow. and floppy great powder boards feel scary no edges on the ice sometimes. the puzzle designers work on is to create the prefect everywhere ski.
But realistically how often do most people see really deep powder? The all mountain category is a good compromise for the majority of people
@@jp4431 yes at resorts all mountain and for quick edge to edge not too wide, some boards now days are pontoons.
Are these unisex?
Hey Laura! Yeah, no reason why a woman couldn't ski the Ripstick Black, especially since they don't make a Black Edition in any of the "women's" Ripstick skis.
Cue the AC/DC... cause their Back In Black!
Just bought a new pair for 475
Dang! That's a STEAL! I can't believe someone had a pair that hadn't sold yet...
What's the word on the 88? Will it also have a black edition?
That would be perfect for the 88. I hope so
Wondered the same
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we'll get an 88 Black Edition. Maybe if we're loud enough, we'll get one for 2023... Bob specifically mentioned how much he would like that ski as well.
Would love 88 in black.
ripstick 106 vs nordica enforcer 104 unlimited advice
Quite similar. I think the playful shape of the Enforcer has more freeride notes to it while the more directional Ripstick gives it a smoother cut through powder, crud, and chop. If you're touring, I'd opt for the slightly lighter Enforcer, but resort use is kind of a wash.
How would these compare to the enforcers
Would be helpful for a side by side of benefits for people over that 200lb mark
Maybe a head kore 93/99 too?
They have a lot of similarities to the Enforcers in terms of overall versatility, the difference is in the construction. Enforcers feel much heavier, although I do think it's fair to say they also feel more damp and more powerful. Ripsticks, on the other hand, are pretty darn close to their stability, but more playful, more maneuverable, softer flexing, etc. The Kores are kind of the opposite, less damp, lighter, but stiff and responsive, actually stiffer than both the Enforcers or Ripsticks, which is interesting...
@@SkiEssentials So at 6'2 and 250lbs between say a bonifide and ripstick black which one's for the growing adv intermediate one ski quiver
@@SkiEssentials I found this to be particularly helpful, Jeff. Thank you!
Ripstick black edition reviews are a bit inconsistent. The folks at outdoorgearlab hated them.
That's crazy to me! I just read through some of their review of it and there were certain things in there that I could possibly disagree with more. Makes me curious about their testing and how they analyze date. For instance, they gave the Ripstick 94 W a better carving score than the Ripstick 96 Black Edition. Objectively, that's just false. How could a softer flexing, lighter ski with less vibration damping be a better carver than the stiffer, heavier ski with more vibration damping? That's the problem with providing numerical scores. I guarantee different people skied those skis, but to us, the consumer, on paper, they're saying one is BETTER than the other, which just isn't true in my opinion. Skis are different, ski performance is extremely subjective. I don't often just say I straight up disagree with something or that it's wrong, but I can't agree with basically anything they said about this particular ski.
So, uhhh, Bob's good at skiing...
Sure is! His talents in moguls don't come across in most of our videos, but he is exceptional in the bumps.