I am still on the fence about Spectrum or Futaba vs Open TX alternatives. My old, now orphaned, Hitec Aurora 9 and Optima receivers are still serving my modest fixed wing electric powered scale model needs. It may be that the growing amount of possible interference on 2.4 Ghz may change my mind, but where I fly, it's not a problem for now. At 84, I'll pay more for a lower learning curve.
Great information. Just the video I was looking for. I always did think spektrum wasn't worth the money for the signal strength/quality you get. I've lost one to many models to spektrum. Time to switch.
Spektrum is easier?? My first radio was a Spektrum. It forced me to use all their terms for each channel and create mixes to setup my octocopter. The dx6i, it was a major pain. As soon as I got it working good and tested, I sold it and got a Taranis. The Taranis might have more options, but at least it lets you do what you want and the best part is doing it on the computer. For me, the Taranis with OpenTX was way more intuitive. Honestly though, when it' a choice of open source of proprietary, open source ultimately wins every time. More brains with more passion beats greed. If Spektrum or Futaba could run opentx, I'd look at those as serious options.
Your use of the term "brownout" may be confusing. "Brownouts" are when receivers go into reset mode when they "see" lower than their acceptable operating voltage, for whatever reason. When in receiver reset mode, model will go out of control and usually crash. If the speed control's BEC (or flight battery pack) cannot cope with the number of servos or there is a servo drawing excess current due to jammed linkage, or if a stabilizer device is causing all servos to operate simultaneously, a "brownout" may occur. Not all receivers have the same tolerance of low voltage from the BEC. Not all "switch mode" BEC's can cope with all numbers of servos and flight stabilizer current needs. When using a given speed control, be aware of it's max current capacity vs your max servo current needs.
You are correct. Brownouts are caused by voltage drops from low voltage or heavy servo load. Maybe my use of the term “brownout” was not the term to use. However the issues we faced frequently, and still do are interference issues. Brownouts seem to be more frequent using some Spektrum receivers as well and they have acknowledged that exact issue as well. I will however add that Spektrum has seemed to get it much more dialed in finally with their newer receivers and radio systems. I have been testing some of their new stuff with an ix14 transmitter and bind and flys the past few months and it seems to hold up to the adverse radio environment so far. I am able to monitor after flight logs concerning packet losses in areas known to have interference and even though those packet losses seem to be high at times, I have not experienced any loss of control. Every system is prone to interference at times but I think the real issue is how long it takes to re-link after an interference experience. My FrSky will glitch sometimes but recovers instantly. Maybe Spektrum is recovering faster these days as well. Fingers crossed.
You make some good points. I found lots of people encouraging me to buy. a Spektrum radio when getting back into r/c 4 years ago because it was popular at our field. My research showed me that FrSky would be more economical with respect to receivers. All good reviews at that time. So after using a donated Futaba FM radio for a while, I purchased a plug in FrSky module and upgraded to 2.4 Gig. . I finally bought a Taranis X9D plus SE 2 years later to upgrade myself. Glad I made the choice. A QX7S would also have been a good option if buying a radio now. My flying is fixed wing, LOS and getting into larger 1/4 scale types now, I want to trust my radio link. The programming of the Taranis seemed a bit scary at first, but I now find myself understanding the architecture and using videos any time I need to try something new. Plus I have benefits of telemetry information including RSSI.
@@y2b5 Awesome! Make sure to install OpenTX latest firmware before using or upgrade to it if you havent yet. There are plenty of youtube videos on how to perform the easy task then make sure to calibrate the radio after installing. OpenTX firmware is the most customizable system out there and you will find it easy to use once you get a handle on it. Welcome to FrSky! More videos coming soon!
I have a Taranis QX7S and love it. Borrowed a Spektrum DX7 because I was having some issues with a new BNF Timber that was having stability issues with the Taranis and IrangeX multiprotocol module. Looking at the Spektrum user manual I was dismayed at how locked into the Spektrum mode of doing things was. I don't think you can designate a switch you prefer for a function to anything but what Spektrum decides it should be. Also, the Spektrum DXS transmitter I got with my Aeroscout could not be used with my Timber until I spent $30 for a programming cable which I needed to UPDATE the transmitter so that I could then choose a mode that would fly the Tmber. The DXS transmitter is currently $99, so add $30 for the programming cable and I'm at $129 for a radio that is garbage compared to my $160 Taranis QX7S with Hall Effect Gimbals
👍👏👏👏 Does the new qx7 tx include the spektrum module? ANY tx is better than the junky spektrum radios, IMHO! I've been futaba since my raptor .50 3D 20 years ago! Great video!
The QX7 includes a module bay for JR type modules. You would have to purchase your spektrum module separately. I would recommend a multi-module if you choose to purchase a module. There are some pretty good ones out there. They will allow you to use multiple protocols. The actual Spektrum brand is over priced and can be tricky to find sometimes. Also if my memory serves me correctly, the Spektrum brand does not support DSMX, only DSM2. The Spektrum brand will work with DSMX but only in DSM2 mode. Many Multi-modules support Spektrum DSMX protocol.
I’m glad you seem to made a decision to go with FrSky. If you purchase a FrSky transmitter, make sure to install OpenTX firmware for that radio before using it. OpenTX is much more customizable than any system out there. There are plenty of RUclips videos on how to do this that you should check out. If you have problems following along, let me know and I will gladly put it in layman’s terms and do a step by step video on how to install the firmware right from the OpenTX website. Happy Flying!
Your Wrong on a lot of fronts. I have both FrSKY TARANIS and Spektrum DX6e. Here is why: 1. Contrary to what you say, if you are new to RC hobby, FrSKY will take 3 times as long to learn how to use and if your on your own with no help and no computer program experience it may take you 5 times 2. FrSKY is not ROCK SOLID! switches have shorts, gimbals feel and operate like a toy at Walmart, 3. Put both radios on a table, grab an apprentice trainer (we are talking about newbie’s), and do a set up. Spektrum will already have the plane in the library. Select it and you’re good to go. Time = 2 minutes. FrSKY TARANIS with all the programming on 9 different pages will take you a minimum of 45 minutes the first time 4. Lemon RC RX for Spektrum are $6 for 4 channel and $12 for 6 channel. Stop comparing apples to oranges. 5. Spektrum started wayyyyyyy before anyone else. We are talking years before so yea they had go through upgrades from DSM, to DSM2, to DSMX 6. Your problems at your field is your field problem! Not Spektrum. I bet you had the same issue with 72mhz channels as well or maybe even worse
Unfortunately I will have to agree to disagree with you as many others who have used both products extensively will as well. The fact is in all things that is you start out using any brand of anything in life, that brand will be easier for you compared to others because you are used to that brand. It’s not that you can’t learn other product, you are just more familiar with the product you spend more time with. As for the situation concerning setup on an apprentice, that plane is marketed by the same company that own Spektrum. And just like Spektrum, a 40.00 radio sold for 800.00, the apprentice is a 100.00 airplane sold for 300.00. But of course hobbies are expensive no matter how much they should really cost. Quality is a non-comparison. My FrSky X20S is way more better in quality than anything Spektrum could ever think of making. I own a Spektrum IS14 and it is no where near the quality or performance of the FrSky I own. Not to mention the crap android system out of the box on that thing. If you don’t update it instantly then it will corrupt you sweet little apprentice files the first time you enter sleep mode. As for the problem at MY field, Google the several flying sites in the past that banned spektrum at events. I understand you probably are a fan of spektrum and its ease of use while setting up horizons line of planes but go buy you a FMS from another vendor or some other plane than a horizon only line of planes and I guarantee you I can set my FrSky up quicker that you can your Spektrum. However that is not what any of this is all about, I share my experiences here as well as my knowledge of radio systems so people can have information they might want to hear before buying a product. I own both.
There is simply no comparision between the Taranis and DX6e on basically all fronts.With many youtue videos, it is easier to customise the Taranis. It is a winner.
DSMX uses a frequency BAND which it spreads out control over. This works on a different principal than channel hopping does since the signal remains over all the band regardless if part of the band is compromised. No system is full proof however. Spektrum is not just a good brand, it is an excellent band--but very expensive just like Futaba. FrSky is less expensive for more channels and I am just now understanding that. Just ordered my first FrSky 16/24 channel transmitter yesterday. I am also liking what I see with and could care less about the more complicated set-ups. The whole hobby is set-up intensive and so you shouldn't get into it I that drives you to drinking. LOL! You're definitely right about the not sticking with 4 channel aircraft for very long. That's exactly why I got the 24 Channel FrSky XD9 Plus.
stephon taylor LoL, Nobody pays me anything and I am not supported by any company whatsoever. All of the comments I post are based off of personal experiences and hours or days of radio testing conducted by individuals who performed spectrum analysis of our field. Not being paid allows me to tell you what I really think. New video coming soon concerning some testing I did concerning the new jumper radio. Stay tuned.
I am still on the fence about Spectrum or Futaba vs Open TX alternatives. My old, now orphaned, Hitec Aurora 9 and Optima receivers are still serving my modest fixed wing electric powered scale model needs. It may be that the growing amount of possible interference on 2.4 Ghz may change my mind, but where I fly, it's not a problem for now. At 84, I'll pay more for a lower learning curve.
Great information. Just the video I was looking for. I always did think spektrum wasn't worth the money for the signal strength/quality you get. I've lost one to many models to spektrum. Time to switch.
That's why Dems watch MSNBC and Republicans watch Fox.
Spektrum is easier?? My first radio was a Spektrum. It forced me to use all their terms for each channel and create mixes to setup my octocopter. The dx6i, it was a major pain. As soon as I got it working good and tested, I sold it and got a Taranis. The Taranis might have more options, but at least it lets you do what you want and the best part is doing it on the computer. For me, the Taranis with OpenTX was way more intuitive. Honestly though, when it' a choice of open source of proprietary, open source ultimately wins every time. More brains with more passion beats greed. If Spektrum or Futaba could run opentx, I'd look at those as serious options.
Your use of the term "brownout" may be confusing. "Brownouts" are when receivers go into reset mode when they "see" lower than their acceptable operating voltage, for whatever reason. When in receiver reset mode, model will go out of control and usually crash. If the speed control's BEC (or flight battery pack) cannot cope with the number of servos or there is a servo drawing excess current due to jammed linkage, or if a stabilizer device is causing all servos to operate simultaneously, a "brownout" may occur. Not all receivers have the same tolerance of low voltage from the BEC. Not all "switch mode" BEC's can cope with all numbers of servos and flight stabilizer current needs.
When using a given speed control, be aware of it's max current capacity vs your max servo current needs.
You are correct. Brownouts are caused by voltage drops from low voltage or heavy servo load. Maybe my use of the term “brownout” was not the term to use. However the issues we faced frequently, and still do are interference issues. Brownouts seem to be more frequent using some Spektrum receivers as well and they have acknowledged that exact issue as well. I will however add that Spektrum has seemed to get it much more dialed in finally with their newer receivers and radio systems. I have been testing some of their new stuff with an ix14 transmitter and bind and flys the past few months and it seems to hold up to the adverse radio environment so far. I am able to monitor after flight logs concerning packet losses in areas known to have interference and even though those packet losses seem to be high at times, I have not experienced any loss of control. Every system is prone to interference at times but I think the real issue is how long it takes to re-link after an interference experience. My FrSky will glitch sometimes but recovers instantly. Maybe Spektrum is recovering faster these days as well. Fingers crossed.
You make some good points.
I found lots of people encouraging me to buy. a Spektrum radio when getting back into r/c 4 years ago because it was popular at our field. My research showed me that FrSky would be more economical with respect to receivers. All good reviews at that time. So after using a donated Futaba FM radio for a while, I purchased a plug in FrSky module and upgraded to 2.4 Gig. . I finally bought a Taranis X9D plus SE 2 years later to upgrade myself. Glad I made the choice. A QX7S would also have been a good option if buying a radio now. My flying is fixed wing, LOS and getting into larger 1/4 scale types now, I want to trust my radio link.
The programming of the Taranis seemed a bit scary at first, but I now find myself understanding the architecture and using videos any time I need to try something new. Plus I have benefits of telemetry information including RSSI.
Thank you very much for sharing! Keep up the good work. Looking forward to learn more from you about the Taranis.
I will start posting new videos next week. Stay tuned!
@@shondorc3703 Thank you. I have received my Taranis Plus. Its really good
@@y2b5 Awesome! Make sure to install OpenTX latest firmware before using or upgrade to it if you havent yet. There are plenty of youtube videos on how to perform the easy task then make sure to calibrate the radio after installing. OpenTX firmware is the most customizable system out there and you will find it easy to use once you get a handle on it. Welcome to FrSky! More videos coming soon!
I have a Taranis QX7S and love it. Borrowed a Spektrum DX7 because I was having some issues with a new BNF Timber that was having stability issues with the Taranis and IrangeX multiprotocol module. Looking at the Spektrum user manual I was dismayed at how locked into the Spektrum mode of doing things was. I don't think you can designate a switch you prefer for a function to anything but what Spektrum decides it should be.
Also, the Spektrum DXS transmitter I got with my Aeroscout could not be used with my Timber until I spent $30 for a programming cable which I needed to UPDATE the transmitter so that I could then choose a mode that would fly the Tmber. The DXS transmitter is currently $99, so add $30 for the programming cable and I'm at $129 for a radio that is garbage compared to my $160 Taranis QX7S with Hall Effect Gimbals
mil gracias, mi specctrum x7. se descompuso en un instante. y ya no funciono mas !! quiero un taráis
👍👏👏👏
Does the new qx7 tx include the spektrum module? ANY tx is better than the junky spektrum radios, IMHO! I've been futaba since my raptor .50 3D 20 years ago!
Great video!
The QX7 includes a module bay for JR type modules. You would have to purchase your spektrum module separately. I would recommend a multi-module if you choose to purchase a module. There are some pretty good ones out there. They will allow you to use multiple protocols. The actual Spektrum brand is over priced and can be tricky to find sometimes. Also if my memory serves me correctly, the Spektrum brand does not support DSMX, only DSM2. The Spektrum brand will work with DSMX but only in DSM2 mode. Many Multi-modules support Spektrum DSMX protocol.
This is the channel I was looking for, I was wary buying another Spektrum radio set.
I’m glad you seem to made a decision to go with FrSky. If you purchase a FrSky transmitter, make sure to install OpenTX firmware for that radio before using it. OpenTX is much more customizable than any system out there. There are plenty of RUclips videos on how to do this that you should check out. If you have problems following along, let me know and I will gladly put it in layman’s terms and do a step by step video on how to install the firmware right from the OpenTX website. Happy Flying!
@@shondorc3703 I've already downloaded OpenTX a versatile website feature of this radio system. I'm definitely buying a FrSky transmitter.
Your Wrong on a lot of fronts. I have both FrSKY TARANIS and Spektrum DX6e. Here is why:
1. Contrary to what you say, if you are new to RC hobby, FrSKY will take 3 times as long to learn how to use and if your on your own with no help and no computer program experience it may take you 5 times
2. FrSKY is not ROCK SOLID! switches have shorts, gimbals feel and operate like a toy at Walmart,
3. Put both radios on a table, grab an apprentice trainer (we are talking about newbie’s), and do a set up. Spektrum will already have the plane in the library. Select it and you’re good to go. Time = 2 minutes. FrSKY TARANIS with all the programming on 9 different pages will take you a minimum of 45 minutes the first time
4. Lemon RC RX for Spektrum are $6 for 4 channel and $12 for 6 channel. Stop comparing apples to oranges.
5. Spektrum started wayyyyyyy before anyone else. We are talking years before so yea they had go through upgrades from DSM, to DSM2, to DSMX
6. Your problems at your field is your field problem! Not Spektrum. I bet you had the same issue with 72mhz channels as well or maybe even worse
Unfortunately I will have to agree to disagree with you as many others who have used both products extensively will as well. The fact is in all things that is you start out using any brand of anything in life, that brand will be easier for you compared to others because you are used to that brand. It’s not that you can’t learn other product, you are just more familiar with the product you spend more time with. As for the situation concerning setup on an apprentice, that plane is marketed by the same company that own Spektrum. And just like Spektrum, a 40.00 radio sold for 800.00, the apprentice is a 100.00 airplane sold for 300.00. But of course hobbies are expensive no matter how much they should really cost. Quality is a non-comparison. My FrSky X20S is way more better in quality than anything Spektrum could ever think of making. I own a Spektrum IS14 and it is no where near the quality or performance of the FrSky I own. Not to mention the crap android system out of the box on that thing. If you don’t update it instantly then it will corrupt you sweet little apprentice files the first time you enter sleep mode. As for the problem at MY field, Google the several flying sites in the past that banned spektrum at events. I understand you probably are a fan of spektrum and its ease of use while setting up horizons line of planes but go buy you a FMS from another vendor or some other plane than a horizon only line of planes and I guarantee you I can set my FrSky up quicker that you can your Spektrum. However that is not what any of this is all about, I share my experiences here as well as my knowledge of radio systems so people can have information they might want to hear before buying a product. I own both.
I kinda like spectrum on my t8sg v2 plus but my qx7 taranis feels better in my hands plus.great connection
There is simply no comparision between the Taranis and DX6e on basically all fronts.With many youtue videos, it is easier to customise the Taranis. It is a winner.
But the quality is not even close. If you're just flying 6 channel planes (at most) the Taranis is overkill.
The DX6e shouldn't even be in the same thumbnail frame as the Taranis LOL.
DSMX uses a frequency BAND which it spreads out control over. This works on a different principal than channel hopping does since the signal remains over all the band regardless if part of the band is compromised. No system is full proof however. Spektrum is not just a good brand, it is an excellent band--but very expensive just like Futaba. FrSky is less expensive for more channels and I am just now understanding that. Just ordered my first FrSky 16/24 channel transmitter yesterday. I am also liking what I see with and could care less about the more complicated set-ups. The whole hobby is set-up intensive and so you shouldn't get into it I that drives you to drinking.
LOL! You're definitely right about the not sticking with 4 channel aircraft for very long. That's exactly why I got the 24 Channel FrSky XD9 Plus.
it does how much did fr sky pay you?
stephon taylor LoL, Nobody pays me anything and I am not supported by any company whatsoever. All of the comments I post are based off of personal experiences and hours or days of radio testing conducted by individuals who performed spectrum analysis of our field. Not being paid allows me to tell you what I really think. New video coming soon concerning some testing I did concerning the new jumper radio. Stay tuned.
@@shondorc3703 Check out the flight videos that Stephon has posted.