Concord feels like a game designed by committee to be as marketable as possible to as many audiences as possible with a complete lack of any artstyle and everyone can smell that "how do you do fellow kids" fakeness all over it
The thing is. While there are hundreds of audiences. Only one of them buys this kind of game. And this game seems to be actively hostile to that audience.
@@renmcmanus What kind of audience? Do you think the hero shooter audience only play these games because they enjoy "porn" based on them? Overwatch really sullied the overall perception of this "genre", lol the Team Fortress formula is entertaining by itself
Devs continue to chase audiences that don’t exist. They’re not going to force us to change our tastes. They will either come back to reality or continue to fail.
My impression is that lately hilariously incompetent management forces staff into blind trend chasing, and this seems to be widespread across the economy as a whole, not just gaming, tech, or entertainment One more symptom of all the inexplicably socially acceptable monopolies that have been encouraged to form since the 80's
Them merely "hinting" at a PvE mode won't pull me over. If there's one thing I learned in the past decade it's that promises and expectations are worth nothing. It's either in the game or not and everything that's not in the game need not be considered.
Yup after the whole Overwatch debacle, they can promise whatever they like. If the things they promised that I wanna buy the game for aren't there at launch it's a no but for me.
@@midwestboxAt this point, I believe they needed a plausible reason to bin OW1 (without setting off the fans) and used the excuse of PvE to do it. Once they got OW2 up and running it was your standard corpo sorry post and no PvE or way to go back to OW1.
It's made for the "modern audience". It was their decision to have a very very small target audience so let them entertain their small modern audience. Leave them to their own devices.
Sane, exactly. They didn't take over any existing franchise, they started their own. They also copied another game's blueprint, so we lose nothing of value by not playing it. Let those few people interested in this game play it and stay there. This is indeed the best case scenario for your average gamer.
@@willythemailboy2 yeah and sadly probably they had different idea about the game when they signed up for it, but the consultation company had their vision twisted to what it is now. Maybe their original vision was super cool and we would have all been playing it now, quess we will never know.
@@TrueKivan That doesn't seem likely. It was a flawed concept from the beginning, DEI only took it from meh to laughably bad. Maybe when they started it 6 years ago it may have been competitive but it's at least 4 years too late to hit the market.
@@willythemailboy2 Yeah they should have cut their losses once Valorant dropped. But wasn't this supposed to initially be a single player game with extra multiplayer mode? How and why did they pour so much money into a knockoff from wish? Aside from bad designs the cutscenes looked fresh, the facial animations and character selection animations were damn impressive technologically, even if wasted on such awful characters.
I have YT premium, so thankfully, I haven't been subjected to that ad. But I've already got no plans to ever touch this game after I saw that initial reveal and caught a whiff of that empty mass market appeal. It genuinely looked like the most generic attempt I've ever seen to imitate Overwatch and Guardians of the Galaxy in style and writing, but it felt like it was worse than both of the things it was invoking.
A friend of mine I was in discord call with said it in the most tired voice I've ever heard "bro these are twitter character designs made by tumblr refugees" and i can't get it out of my head
It gives off "heavily focus tested" vibes from the art direction. These feel like characters an algorithm would have come up with rather than an artist.
They give me "marvel at home" vibes. No unique identity or style. Just like the entire game everything feels like an uninspired copy. They even copied the original Overwatch 1 price.
As someone who love anime and manga design, the fact that this look like me you and anyone on street is a bad thing. It's not even the beauties on Hollywood. I don't want to look to myself or someone as ugly as me or worse while playing a game.
The problem is, no matter how good this game might end up being, that statement at the 5:10 mark is NOT a legal guarantee - meaning that I pay my $40 and expect free seasonal content only for Sony to pull the rug and go, "Nah, you are paying now." Yeah, don't see why I would risk it. I'll keep my money and put it towards an indie game where I know what I'm going to get when I purchase with no expectation on either side of further monetization!
By the way, not sure why the PC open beta would mean anything. Remember, this is a SONY product. Meaning, that a bunch of folks who possibly could have gotten it will probably get locked out due to the nonsense PSN requirement like what hit Helldivers 2. Who would trust Sony on PC today?
@@spankyjeffro5320 I'll gladly admit to being a cheapskate; I've never once shied away from that term! The thing is, what I refuse to be is an ATM for a game company, someone they come to in order to demand more and more money from. Besides, the question isn't whether I can afford to spend $40 - it is whether I should spend it on this or a couple indie games that I may not play as long but I'll have a helluva lot more fun playing.
@@spankyjeffro5320 $40 for a pile of horse manure is a lot for someone who neither builds with wattle and daub nor is a farmer. Even for either of those two groups, I reckon 5 pounds of horse crap for $40 is rather overpriced.
You know how you make a good black character? Demo from TF2. A good fat character? Bo' Rai Cho from MK. Maybe one day they'll understand that the vast majority of normal people find quirky annoying as all hell.
@@Relhio"How do we sell a character to an audience?" I dunno. Make a character we care about? Make characters that are interesting because the writers care about interesting characters instead of checking off boxes to meet some kind of initiative? Show us passion instead of cold calculation? Progressive characters exist, and they aren't tokenistic financial incentives.
@@Relhio i love demos and soldiers friendship voicelines, i wouldnt even mind it if it was BL. My favorite fat character though is Bob from tekken. He overcomes his fears face first and becomes big. Hes not unhealthy, and he tailors his outfits, and hes not disgusting as depicted by other fat characters. Im not one that advocates for body positivity, but Bob is an exception to me.
Honestly I'm sick of hero shooters lol let me build my character and the abilitys like destiny but without the bull shi of destiny lol or just make the characters interesting to Play
@@simban1918 no I mean more the idea of the heroes say how apex has character abilitys and like every other game u get me and overwatch has been mid for ages and paladins I just never really got
@@simban1918 Any shooter that is character based is a hero shooter. So R6, Apex, Valorant, Overwatch, Paladins etc. Everyone is making hero based games these days and it is getting kinda old
The characters are unappealing as fuck you have so. many. options. when you design a robot and you chose Yellow Trash Can as your overall design The gameplay and the abilities look weird and awkward And the most important part... NO ONE WANTS ANOTHER HERO SHOOTER! We can barely stand the ones we have
I kinda like the robot, except for his extremely generic personality, he and the monster girl with smg are the only ones that seem at least decent to me, the rest are absurdly bad.
@@byte-bg4ob and it'll be deserved. They're more focused on telling us lowly commoners what our personal politics should be, than making a quality gaming experience
I dunno, they could lean further into the alien freaks and make some pretty unique characters and playstyles. You like dual wielding? What about a floating squid alien that octuple wields? I don’t know how that would work in terms of balance, but fuck it, 8 plasma pistols. I want something unique, but aside from the Guardians of the Galaxy-esque character designs, there’s not much to be excited about in Concord. It doesn’t have that social phenomenon aspect like Helldivers, and the hero shooter genre very quickly became oversaturated and tiring. If they aim for a more niche audience that exists, unlike the mythical modern audience, maybe Concord can find a place to stand.
@@funkyflunky9882 Honestly I would prefer that to trying to make all the characters have intentional sex appeal. The issue I have with the characters is that they all feel bland, there is nothing to them.
If the game is good, why not. Last month I start playing Marvel Snap and I don't regret that decision, the game is fun and surprisingly balanced (basically you pay to rush, the pay to win mechanics can only show up if you reach the "infinite" rank). Saying that, Snap has the huge advantage of featuring Marvel characters, like... destroy Wolverine and he comes back stronger, Magneto pulls other cards to his location, etc.. this charisma is a big deal, especially compared to a bland game like Concord
@@MrAlexvizz Free2play games are even worse. They give you the illusion they are free when in reality they are not. They are either pay2win, or pay to save something more precious than money. Time!
@@RRRRRRRRR33 CCGs are an entirely different can of worms. Their model has always been the same even during TCGs days. That's not the same as, let's say, Genshin Impact, which gives you the illusion it is free.
Making a hero shooter game with unnappealing heroes is a death wish. one of the bigger reason OW still alive is how people love their heroes designs, even the non player are loving them and making cosplay and fanart that prolong OW popularity.
How to kill a multiplayer FPS : not allowing custom private servers, not allowing LAN, not having offline with bots, not allowing modding. Even today i can still setup my ut2k4 server with nearly 200GB of mods and have 31 friends join me in LAN or online. Gaming is evolving backward.
Yep. Cheating is so rampant now, that having private servers with their own admins is almost mandatory. That's the real reason all these multiplayer games are struggling. Banning a wave of cheaters once every 6 months isn't that helpful. Need people actively policing.
If you didn´t acknowledge that game characters NEEDED to be APPEALING and ATTACTIVE in order to the game to be able to get the audience atention you really cannot be helped...
I don't know about attractive, the thing I think they need more is to be INTERESTING. I actually like the idea someone mentioned somewhere else in this comment section about going full on into the freakshow characters by going fully into the Alien stuff and making them completely inhuman. Instead, we have the most cookie cutter looking characters possible, some even look like they stop mid design and shipped that.
Companies love live service games that turn players with a hobby to employees with a job, except the employees pay the company. Because we live in hell.
@@devilselbow A game? Last time i checked, there's other games besides Concord that tried and failed to be Live service. Internet must given people the attention span of a goldfish
What kind of audience did they think they'd muster with the worst roster of characters I've ever seen in gaming? They're so detached from the gaming community it just feels like a list of checkboxes to appease people who won't even be playing their game. No one is going to buy your game, let alone buy skins for these characters you'd see at Walmart in a mobility scooter.
The problem with Gigantic wasn't that they were charging $20 for it, it was that it was a borderline-unplayable mess at launch and stayed that way for weeks. Seriously at points it was a fun challenge to see if you, the last person in the match that hadn't been frozen in place by the server, could get past the glitched unkillable bot replacements to close out the match before you too were booted and the match failed entirely.
Maybe 10% of my gaming circle plays games like this period, and they've already got games they like. It's like these publishers are obsessed with pushing the rest of us into these hyperspecific, highly demanding genres that your average person isn't and shouldn't be interested in and even the target audience can only play a few of per year...and then they wonder why we're not all jumping onboard and their player counts aren't endlessly rising?
I wouldn't say worse. The gameplay itself seems solid but that just isn't good enough. Suicide squads gameplay was pretty bad if I'm honest and the missions just felt repetitive and even most of the boss fights were waiting for the boss to get hit by special bullet damage and wait again.
@@cosmancho2959 i didn't plan to waste my money on it and from what you said that seems like the correct decision. Good or average just isn't good enough if you want to stand out with a live service game, especially if you have no other hooks aside from gameplay.
It's a game releasing to an over-saturated market with terrible character design, no style and does nothing different than any other hero shooter on the market, asking for 40$ when it's competition is free. I don't know what they were expecting.
I dont think so.. Its a lot more simple, it has nothing to do with "emotions", its a saturated market. Games like Valorant, Overwatch and Apex Legends dominate this niche market, there is just no more room for competition. People who are into this kind of games are already invested into those stablished games (for years). Helldivers succeeded because it didn't have to go against niche stablished franchise. Also, as others have also said, the character design is crap.
OW1 really spoiled me on hero shooters. They got so much right that it really just put a spotlight on these newer games who haven't seemed to learn anything.
Not another live service MTX farm! What a waste of resources and developer time. It's been done to exhaustion, the market is long since saturated, I wish they'd done something even slightly innovative.
Or boring characters. The audience for hero shooters is limited and the market already has some games of this type. So you need to draw the limited audience away from the existing games. For that it doesn't just need to be better but so much better that people are willing to give up their current game that they might have invested hundreds of hours in. And nithing in this game stands out enough. The gameplay doesn't look that much different from most games of this type, the characters are really bland and what I've seen of game modes from people playing the beta you can either play matches valorant/csgo style or overwatch style 5v5 mission based matches.
It’s crazy that every single person could see it was going to fail based on the very first reveal, yet the studio is going to be baffled at why it isn’t successful. I swear almost every game studio has no clue what their audience actually wants.
Why would I play a game with character designs I find absolutely boring? First impressions matter a lot, and if a game doesn't capture an audience at a glance it's just not going to work out.
As i have said it is basically Bandwagon the game, like some Exec just saw other hero shooter games games and said make that, and i feel when that happens it becomes souless and lacking passion. Though ironically i think it will go the same was as the plane Concorde.....retired though much much quicker
the first issue that i see people say in comments in the first teaser was "i was down to play it, before the hero shooter part show up" so the art, themes and setting is not the problem, the hero shooter part is
The problem is that it tries to beat Overwatch at its own game but brings absolutely nothing new or unique to the table. The characters may not be bad but they're also nothing special. Why would players in this genre even look at it when Overwatch is free and has an existing large community?
@@SaHaRaSquad i see your point, but what me (and some other people) was first expecting was a game like the guardian of the galaxy, a more akin to a adventure game revolving around a group of space friends in space shenanigans with some light-hearted jokes (even if the marvel humor is kinda oversaturated)
The character designs are immediately offputting and not original. You’ve got generic wizard lady, Yondu from Wish, Temu Soldier 76, and Drax from SHEIN all front and center.
Overwatch is down bad right now but the one thing you can give them credit for is the art style and character designs are top tier as well as the waifus. Concord is just ugly to look at especially the characters
I wouldn't say it's ugly. The characters are very detailed but graphics isn't everything and the art style just blows. It would have been way better when they went a lot more artistic and gave it a unique style. This looks a bit too realistic but when you go realistic the designs don't work that well. Go something like a cell shaded style a la borderland or go all out with the colours. Just something to grab the attention of people and to stand out.
They got a new character in Overwatch named Juno with a trailer TODAY that I know is gonna lead to a glut of fanart by Monday. Instantly cute and striking design.
You can usually tell the popularity of a game according to how much "art" they have of it on rule 34. But the thing is ain't nobody touching this trash on rule 34. Like I'm serious. I can't even find a tag for it.
There's nothing wrong with making a quirky game for a niche audience. In fact I applaud it. Developers and publishers just need to accept that the audience will likely remain niche in size and budget accordingly. Some games do break out of their focused player base, but they are usually unique in someway or they have an original approach. There's nothing we haven't seen before in Concord and the character designs look purposely unappealing. Who's going to spend money on foppish and dowdy digital apparel? Maybe a percentage of that niche group. Publishers need to ask if that's enough to keep the game alive.
Also crazy: the finals got prioritized over arc raiders (i belive the game is called) and then helldivers 2 became super popular. You have to create your own game and "hope" for the best. Or at least be very early. Remember pubg, fortnite changed course after the success of pubg. Fort was suppossed to be some tower defense like game, i believe? They quickly implemented battle royale and made it free. You can't come 5 years later and make the same thing but with a different color.
You're overthinking it. The character design is shit. There's dozens of hero shooters out there, that means the world/characters are the biggest selling point. The gameplay might be the best hero shooter out there but if no one likes the characters it won't be played, so no one will find out. Pronouns in bio is automatically disqualifying.
@@midwestbox it is an issue, it highlights the mindset of the game and Sony as a whole which should be avoided, there's a reason its there and its not a good one
A Game like this needs sexy looking women (and yes men) for it to propagate. remember most Player of Overwatch knew who Mercy was before playing the game.
It's a cartoon mate. There's a difference between charisma and "sex appeal". Mercy is charismatic, excellent voice acting, her theme as the "savior" is easy to understand, etc.. that's why she is supposed to work, but the internet proliferates loneliness and depression, here it comes "porn" based on the character lol
I did not, but I bought the game blind the week it came out in 2016. I was a Mercy main though, probably had like 800 hours on her. I think Mcree was a close second followed by Hanzo.
And this is why I can’t take the argument “the characters are gross” seriously it’s just reeking of incel, white cis man is upset he’s not being represented for the first time in history vibes. Like the characters are all easily distinguishable between one another, they aren’t extremely catchy but they are unique and stand out from one another.
Concords characters look like theyre from the dove body positivity in gaming commercial. The worst character designs ive seen in any media. Its a parody of modern gaming.
The gameplay was serviceable. The issue with all these multiplayer only shooters is that they lack an onboarding side of their game, especially for new IPs, to get new potential players to at least try it. Concord is a new IP, with no campaign, no community built around the company like Blizzard had when they released Overwatch, ect. Not only that they're pretty much using a F2P model for a P2P game And after all of that, the game is simply ugly and appeals to no one outside of upper class San Fransisco/LA/Montreal types.
Sometimes the trouble with 'just getting your head down and working' on something, is that if we don't look up often enough to see the weather change - we get wet.
Seriously! I'm just waiting for new new content, don't get me wrong I came back for each Warbond and played for like a week or so with my buddies, but then we moved on. Once you have your set up, the resource grind for the T4 upgrades and the game loop, while fun for a bit, can just get tiring after 200 hours or so.
A slightly more successful law breakers means it’ll last a little bit longer: means it’ll shut down in a year in a half after they give it away on ps plus in 6 months
Concord is the type of game you will only pay money to give it to a streamer(gift) so they can show their Steam library and the live chat can make fun of the streamer for having that in their library.
I mean, $40 USD ($60 CAD for me) is already welcomed if it means we might actually get a pve experience like we were promised and then blatantly lied to about and denied in Overwatch. The cosmetics are just a cherry on top. I'll spend $60 on a new game over some dumb skins and emotes any day, especially since all the new Overwatch characters in Overwatch "2" just recycle existing game elements then slap on a fresh coat of animation
"There WILL BE pve" is not the same as "There IS pve at launch." Overwatch's creators lied and that is made by a billion dollar studio. There isn't a reason to believe this game will meet expectations any more than other games with a half done roadmap. Save your money until the PVE actually is released.
I tried yesterday, but was a terrible experience. No Tutorial, no place to test the characters before play. How I'm supposed to understand the flow if I don't know how to play? Frustrating, a shoot in they own foot.
anybody even slightly involved in the gaming community knew when they saw the trailer and character designs that the game is DOA, F2P wont save this pile of garbage
As a character designer, I feel the game really just lacks in the character aspect, the deigns silhouettes of each of the heros are some of the most boring ive ever seen, ESPECIALLY compared to overwatch, making the heros of the game look way more like background characters in guardians of the galaxy, rather than a team of heros in there own right. Theres just not enough pull in any of them, no niche or provocative traits that makes me question what there story is, it all just feels very cookie cutter, and Im not surprised it failed.
Concord is an Overwatch clone, right down to the UI, but with 'modern day' sensibilities that customers never liked. Which is why no one actually wanted to play it.
"i'm shocked i thought people would DL muh modern audience corporate games" No. People won't play the modern audience slop. Just the visual of the characters mean i wont play it regarding how good the game is. There is tons of indies games or good looking f2p asian games right now. I dont care about anglo political/virtue signaling/corporate games.
8:07 the truth is there aren't a lot of people willing to pay for hero shooters, when most choices in the market are free you have it where they have plenty of free options. I bet my bottom dollar if there was another high quality free to play game exactly if not slightly worse than Hell Divers 2, you wouldn't see a Hell Divers 2 released for 40 USD but free.
Helldivers 2 is a neche game format as it is a co-op focused, objective based 3rd person sci-fi shooter with a variety of enemies, guns and equipment. Concord is in a very crowded market with other hero shooters and shooters in general. Helldivers made a distinct premise and set-up that is different from anything else on the market which players initially gravitated too as a breath of fresh air. Sony and other big companies/publishers are fighting over a limited market now that there are dozens of similar shooters vying for the public's attention.
For me just none of the characters are appealing, and the movement in the game, other than the assassins everyone moves like they are under water, also the competitive mode can have 10 second rounds with 30+ seconds of character selection and loading screens inbetween.
Concord feels like a game designed by committee to be as marketable as possible to as many audiences as possible with a complete lack of any artstyle and everyone can smell that "how do you do fellow kids" fakeness all over it
Classic example, a product designed for everybody is a product for nobody
The thing is. While there are hundreds of audiences. Only one of them buys this kind of game. And this game seems to be actively hostile to that audience.
@@renmcmanus What are you even talking about?
@@renmcmanus What kind of audience? Do you think the hero shooter audience only play these games because they enjoy "porn" based on them? Overwatch really sullied the overall perception of this "genre", lol the Team Fortress formula is entertaining by itself
Yeh, like the entire "genre".
Devs continue to chase audiences that don’t exist. They’re not going to force us to change our tastes. They will either come back to reality or continue to fail.
Exactly, but these people on twitter are so loud,. they give the impression of a large audience, reality, they barely exist.
My impression is that lately hilariously incompetent management forces staff into blind trend chasing, and this seems to be widespread across the economy as a whole, not just gaming, tech, or entertainment
One more symptom of all the inexplicably socially acceptable monopolies that have been encouraged to form since the 80's
@@joelhodoborgas you mean, people who praise the product but don't actually spend money on it?
I think the question "why would i play this over what im already playing?" Is something a lot of studios never bother asking.
There are pronouns, younglings want that in their games in 2024, right? .....right?
@mathieus.1851 pronouns are the least of this games problems
They targeted the modern audience. They get the modern audience. Hint: The modern audience is a myth.
i see 2k players, they exist. I hope they will buy the skins xD
Yeah, pretty sure that's the real reason this game'll probably crash...
@@dreyga2 The player numbers got much lower than that tbh
The modern audience is still in the process of being created. Just watch any kid show these days. Sony playing the endgame.
it's just not appealing to the majority of us. That's it
i found the game boring the air time when jumping is like shoot me im a flying target by just jumping
I think the issue is that it's appealing to everyone and hence is a game for nobody specific.
That is putting it mildly.
Especially not for 40 dollar doos
It looks like one of those games you'd see someone play in the background of a Marvel film..
Expectations = Nothing | Reality = Still Nothing
Them merely "hinting" at a PvE mode won't pull me over. If there's one thing I learned in the past decade it's that promises and expectations are worth nothing. It's either in the game or not and everything that's not in the game need not be considered.
Definitely means fuckall when they pull the eventual rug from under everyone ala OW2 which the PvE story content was the biggest selling point.
Man... a PvE mode with those characters? yikes..
At BEST it'd just be the normal maps you would be playing all the time but with bots and a short dull cutscene introducing it.
Yaaaaay...
Yup after the whole Overwatch debacle, they can promise whatever they like. If the things they promised that I wanna buy the game for aren't there at launch it's a no but for me.
@@midwestboxAt this point, I believe they needed a plausible reason to bin OW1 (without setting off the fans) and used the excuse of PvE to do it. Once they got OW2 up and running it was your standard corpo sorry post and no PvE or way to go back to OW1.
It's made for the "modern audience". It was their decision to have a very very small target audience so let them entertain their small modern audience. Leave them to their own devices.
Sane, exactly. They didn't take over any existing franchise, they started their own. They also copied another game's blueprint, so we lose nothing of value by not playing it. Let those few people interested in this game play it and stay there. This is indeed the best case scenario for your average gamer.
@@TrueKivan More people work at the studio than were willing to play the FREE beta. That says all anyone needs to know about the game.
@@willythemailboy2 yeah and sadly probably they had different idea about the game when they signed up for it, but the consultation company had their vision twisted to what it is now. Maybe their original vision was super cool and we would have all been playing it now, quess we will never know.
@@TrueKivan That doesn't seem likely. It was a flawed concept from the beginning, DEI only took it from meh to laughably bad. Maybe when they started it 6 years ago it may have been competitive but it's at least 4 years too late to hit the market.
@@willythemailboy2 Yeah they should have cut their losses once Valorant dropped. But wasn't this supposed to initially be a single player game with extra multiplayer mode? How and why did they pour so much money into a knockoff from wish? Aside from bad designs the cutscenes looked fresh, the facial animations and character selection animations were damn impressive technologically, even if wasted on such awful characters.
The annoying concord ad thats playing on RUclips now is only making me hate the game even more.
I have YT premium, so thankfully, I haven't been subjected to that ad. But I've already got no plans to ever touch this game after I saw that initial reveal and caught a whiff of that empty mass market appeal. It genuinely looked like the most generic attempt I've ever seen to imitate Overwatch and Guardians of the Galaxy in style and writing, but it felt like it was worse than both of the things it was invoking.
I used brave browser on top of vpn. I get no ads ever
god bless ad blockers
I don't like the appearance of the characters
Neither do I. It's like the mfs working on Concord took a strong look at Sewer Squad's character designs and said "let's do that but even worse."
A friend of mine I was in discord call with said it in the most tired voice I've ever heard "bro these are twitter character designs made by tumblr refugees" and i can't get it out of my head
It gives off "heavily focus tested" vibes from the art direction.
These feel like characters an algorithm would have come up with rather than an artist.
They give me "marvel at home" vibes. No unique identity or style. Just like the entire game everything feels like an uninspired copy. They even copied the original Overwatch 1 price.
As someone who love anime and manga design, the fact that this look like me you and anyone on street is a bad thing. It's not even the beauties on Hollywood. I don't want to look to myself or someone as ugly as me or worse while playing a game.
I hate the character designs. That's a game-killer for me.
What are some examples of good character design? Not disagreeing with you just curious.
@@hitkid96 hot chicks bro. That's why gacha make so much money, got to get them waifus.
@@MrTriedgesvery true
@@MrTriedges IDK This new game from Hoyo called ZZZ looks mad fire and like a refined version of scarlett nexus even without the chicks
@@hitkid96 Overwatch, Helldivers 2, Team Fortress 2
Don't know who would look at those characters, and be hype about the game
Me!
The problem is, no matter how good this game might end up being, that statement at the 5:10 mark is NOT a legal guarantee - meaning that I pay my $40 and expect free seasonal content only for Sony to pull the rug and go, "Nah, you are paying now." Yeah, don't see why I would risk it. I'll keep my money and put it towards an indie game where I know what I'm going to get when I purchase with no expectation on either side of further monetization!
By the way, not sure why the PC open beta would mean anything. Remember, this is a SONY product. Meaning, that a bunch of folks who possibly could have gotten it will probably get locked out due to the nonsense PSN requirement like what hit Helldivers 2. Who would trust Sony on PC today?
That's a lot of words to just say "I'm a cheapskate.". If $40 is a major decision for you, stop gaming and start getting your life in order.
@@spankyjeffro5320 I'll gladly admit to being a cheapskate; I've never once shied away from that term! The thing is, what I refuse to be is an ATM for a game company, someone they come to in order to demand more and more money from. Besides, the question isn't whether I can afford to spend $40 - it is whether I should spend it on this or a couple indie games that I may not play as long but I'll have a helluva lot more fun playing.
@@spankyjeffro5320
$40 for a pile of horse manure is a lot for someone who neither builds with wattle and daub nor is a farmer.
Even for either of those two groups, I reckon 5 pounds of horse crap for $40 is rather overpriced.
I AM SICK OF QUIRKY CHARACTERS!
You know how you make a good black character? Demo from TF2. A good fat character? Bo' Rai Cho from MK. Maybe one day they'll understand that the vast majority of normal people find quirky annoying as all hell.
@@Relhio write black people like any other? Normal human beings.
@@Relhio"How do we sell a character to an audience?"
I dunno. Make a character we care about? Make characters that are interesting because the writers care about interesting characters instead of checking off boxes to meet some kind of initiative? Show us passion instead of cold calculation?
Progressive characters exist, and they aren't tokenistic financial incentives.
Turns out modern audiences are not playing video games
@@Relhio i love demos and soldiers friendship voicelines, i wouldnt even mind it if it was BL. My favorite fat character though is Bob from tekken. He overcomes his fears face first and becomes big. Hes not unhealthy, and he tailors his outfits, and hes not disgusting as depicted by other fat characters.
Im not one that advocates for body positivity, but Bob is an exception to me.
Ah yes the hero shooter no one wanted... as a hero shooter
Honestly I'm sick of hero shooters lol let me build my character and the abilitys like destiny but without the bull shi of destiny lol or just make the characters interesting to Play
@@TheRed_wing your sick of Overwatch and Paladins?
Because these are the only existing hero shooters 😂
@@simban1918 no I mean more the idea of the heroes say how apex has character abilitys and like every other game u get me and overwatch has been mid for ages and paladins I just never really got
@@simban1918 and your forgetting marvel rivals you could say rainbow six is one or valorant
@@simban1918 Any shooter that is character based is a hero shooter. So R6, Apex, Valorant, Overwatch, Paladins etc. Everyone is making hero based games these days and it is getting kinda old
We're tired of cash grabs. The developers are making games they want to sell, not games the players want to play.
Well said
The characters are unappealing as fuck
you have so. many. options. when you design a robot and you chose Yellow Trash Can as your overall design
The gameplay and the abilities look weird and awkward
And the most important part... NO ONE WANTS ANOTHER HERO SHOOTER! We can barely stand the ones we have
That and the price for it as well is a big detractor as well.
the trash can is the best one xD
@@dreyga2 Honestly, you're not wrong
I kinda like the robot, except for his extremely generic personality, he and the monster girl with smg are the only ones that seem at least decent to me, the rest are absurdly bad.
L take
What they apparently don't get, is that if you make your characters unappeling no one will buy cosmetics for them
Imagine a whale in the Ultimate Bunny outfit? Stuff of nightmares
@@Jabarri74 bro chill I don't need that mental image
@@MrTriedges It keeps you grounded, unlike the devs who would probably try and sell you a spanner accessory or something
@@Jabarri74Bro stop I feel sick imagining that! 🤢
but boardroom design is what made GotG get rich quick. So prove me wrong.
The unhinged combination of wanting to be overwatch AND being a rip off of Guardians of the galaxy. This shit has to be A.I generated.
sadly enough AI can make way better characters than this slop of a game.
Concord already got their Reality Check but that will not change anything.
It will kill the studio
@@byte-bg4ob and it'll be deserved. They're more focused on telling us lowly commoners what our personal politics should be, than making a quality gaming experience
"Pay us money for a generic dead-service with hideously deformed freakshow characters."
Nah.
Spoilers: the open free beta barely doubled the closed beta numbers. The game is so bad they literally can't GIVE it away to people.
freakshow characters is Gaurdians of the Galaxy. prove me wrong.
Even more updated spoilers: The open beta is bad enough they have less players than the closed beta you paid $40 for.
I dunno, they could lean further into the alien freaks and make some pretty unique characters and playstyles. You like dual wielding? What about a floating squid alien that octuple wields? I don’t know how that would work in terms of balance, but fuck it, 8 plasma pistols. I want something unique, but aside from the Guardians of the Galaxy-esque character designs, there’s not much to be excited about in Concord. It doesn’t have that social phenomenon aspect like Helldivers, and the hero shooter genre very quickly became oversaturated and tiring. If they aim for a more niche audience that exists, unlike the mythical modern audience, maybe Concord can find a place to stand.
@@funkyflunky9882 Honestly I would prefer that to trying to make all the characters have intentional sex appeal. The issue I have with the characters is that they all feel bland, there is nothing to them.
That devs shouldn't worry about going Free to Play.
Players aren't going to play it even if you pay them.
this, no one like those characters, even for free
@@mauroleon2couldn’t agree more, if I don’t like the characters then why would I grind for skins, let alone pay for them 🤷🏽♂️
@@fightedmealready2692pay to make them not ugly?
@@abdelarch8038 maybe that was the strategy all along
40 for getting access to pay more...
insanity lol
Pay more for what exactly? I fail to see ANYONE investing in skins for those characters...
@@impactsuit9871 BP etc....Seasons...
So Concord is basically the "we have Overwatch at home" meme?
Yeah and Overwatch 2 was already that meme
The character designs basically scream "We didn't make this game for gamers."
They made it for Karens who hate gamers.
I agree the character design looks terrible, but you scream gamergater.
@@Zectifin And what is wrong with it? are you enjoying slop you are getting?
@@Zectifin I'm not perpetually online enough to even know what that is bro
@@ZectifinGamergate is when no like character design
How would you expect people to buy skins when the majority of the base character designs are horrendous
Live service is DOA to me, good riddance to one and all of them.
Totally agree....
If the game is good, why not. Last month I start playing Marvel Snap and I don't regret that decision, the game is fun and surprisingly balanced (basically you pay to rush, the pay to win mechanics can only show up if you reach the "infinite" rank). Saying that, Snap has the huge advantage of featuring Marvel characters, like... destroy Wolverine and he comes back stronger, Magneto pulls other cards to his location, etc.. this charisma is a big deal, especially compared to a bland game like Concord
especially when it's 40$ instead of being free to play
@@MrAlexvizz Free2play games are even worse. They give you the illusion they are free when in reality they are not.
They are either pay2win, or pay to save something more precious than money. Time!
@@RRRRRRRRR33 CCGs are an entirely different can of worms.
Their model has always been the same even during TCGs days.
That's not the same as, let's say, Genshin Impact, which gives you the illusion it is free.
“modern audience” game. ‘Nuff said.
Should be a tag in steam. Can save time, if we were able to ignore all games tagged with that.
@@aahzmandiaz2767 Like hades and Baldur's gate 3.
Looks like a sweet baby game.
it is actually
Making a hero shooter game with unnappealing heroes is a death wish. one of the bigger reason OW still alive is how people love their heroes designs, even the non player are loving them and making cosplay and fanart that prolong OW popularity.
can't wait for concord cosplay :))))
Unironically OW porn keeps the game relatively relevant.
@@fakename2926 nothing to complain about ;)
I don’t need characters to keep reminding me I am Fugly irl 24/7.
How to kill a multiplayer FPS : not allowing custom private servers, not allowing LAN, not having offline with bots, not allowing modding. Even today i can still setup my ut2k4 server with nearly 200GB of mods and have 31 friends join me in LAN or online. Gaming is evolving backward.
You mean regression not evolution
@@explodedglue5509 Mmmmm, Devolution?
I used to love instagib mode on the map where it was just a big open circle
@@explodedglue5509 "It's evolving, just backwards."- Pewdiepie
This is probably what he meant.
Yep. Cheating is so rampant now, that having private servers with their own admins is almost mandatory. That's the real reason all these multiplayer games are struggling. Banning a wave of cheaters once every 6 months isn't that helpful. Need people actively policing.
If you didn´t acknowledge that game characters NEEDED to be APPEALING and ATTACTIVE in order to the game to be able to get the audience atention you really cannot be helped...
I don't know about attractive, the thing I think they need more is to be INTERESTING. I actually like the idea someone mentioned somewhere else in this comment section about going full on into the freakshow characters by going fully into the Alien stuff and making them completely inhuman. Instead, we have the most cookie cutter looking characters possible, some even look like they stop mid design and shipped that.
We all hate the character design
In order to play Corporate Virtue Signaling the game you gotta pay $40 to corporate
It has the worst character design of any game I've ever seen.
It reminds me of the dove body positivity in gaming commercial.
It's so bad it's comical.
Idk bleeding edge has to take the cake for that one. Anyone remember the overly obese woman on the unicycle?
Companies love live service games that turn players with a hobby to employees with a job, except the employees pay the company.
Because we live in hell.
I blame the whales
@@devilselbow A game? Last time i checked, there's other games besides Concord that tried and failed to be Live service. Internet must given people the attention span of a goldfish
What kind of audience did they think they'd muster with the worst roster of characters I've ever seen in gaming? They're so detached from the gaming community it just feels like a list of checkboxes to appease people who won't even be playing their game. No one is going to buy your game, let alone buy skins for these characters you'd see at Walmart in a mobility scooter.
characters look disgusting
Thanks to DEI and some borderline insane developers.
The problem with Gigantic wasn't that they were charging $20 for it, it was that it was a borderline-unplayable mess at launch and stayed that way for weeks.
Seriously at points it was a fun challenge to see if you, the last person in the match that hadn't been frozen in place by the server, could get past the glitched unkillable bot replacements to close out the match before you too were booted and the match failed entirely.
Maybe 10% of my gaming circle plays games like this period, and they've already got games they like. It's like these publishers are obsessed with pushing the rest of us into these hyperspecific, highly demanding genres that your average person isn't and shouldn't be interested in and even the target audience can only play a few of per year...and then they wonder why we're not all jumping onboard and their player counts aren't endlessly rising?
Corperate slop with no vision just a generic overwatch catered to “modern audiences”
Hollywood tries replacing the classics with new ‘reimagined’ versions…looks like video games are trying to do the same, disgusting.
esg/DEI/Brige is everywhere, not just games and movies.
Can you Believe it? we got a game even worse then Suicide Squad in just 6 Months gotta Love Western Triple A Games!
I wouldn't say worse. The gameplay itself seems solid but that just isn't good enough. Suicide squads gameplay was pretty bad if I'm honest and the missions just felt repetitive and even most of the boss fights were waiting for the boss to get hit by special bullet damage and wait again.
@@LukasJampen The gunplay is awful. I was hoping it would atleast feel like destiny but it doesn't.
It just feels wrong to play.
@@cosmancho2959 i didn't plan to waste my money on it and from what you said that seems like the correct decision. Good or average just isn't good enough if you want to stand out with a live service game, especially if you have no other hooks aside from gameplay.
It's a game releasing to an over-saturated market with terrible character design, no style and does nothing different than any other hero shooter on the market, asking for 40$ when it's competition is free.
I don't know what they were expecting.
It's a dogshit 'modern audience' slop 'game'.
Was bound to shit the bed.
I dont think so.. Its a lot more simple, it has nothing to do with "emotions", its a saturated market. Games like Valorant, Overwatch and Apex Legends dominate this niche market, there is just no more room for competition. People who are into this kind of games are already invested into those stablished games (for years). Helldivers succeeded because it didn't have to go against niche stablished franchise. Also, as others have also said, the character design is crap.
The game is also ugly as sin. Simple as.
OW1 really spoiled me on hero shooters. They got so much right that it really just put a spotlight on these newer games who haven't seemed to learn anything.
The art direction is the problem. This is what the corporations want us to like, but it's not what most people WANT.
Not another live service MTX farm! What a waste of resources and developer time. It's been done to exhaustion, the market is long since saturated, I wish they'd done something even slightly innovative.
Modern audience my ass
Let the "modern audience" have it.
I'm not paying $40 for that. Full stop. That money is not leaving my account for this title.
Is it well-made? Yes. Did anyone ask for another hero shooter? I sure didn't.
Or boring characters. The audience for hero shooters is limited and the market already has some games of this type. So you need to draw the limited audience away from the existing games. For that it doesn't just need to be better but so much better that people are willing to give up their current game that they might have invested hundreds of hours in. And nithing in this game stands out enough. The gameplay doesn't look that much different from most games of this type, the characters are really bland and what I've seen of game modes from people playing the beta you can either play matches valorant/csgo style or overwatch style 5v5 mission based matches.
It’s crazy that every single person could see it was going to fail based on the very first reveal, yet the studio is going to be baffled at why it isn’t successful. I swear almost every game studio has no clue what their audience actually wants.
Why would I play a game with character designs I find absolutely boring? First impressions matter a lot, and if a game doesn't capture an audience at a glance it's just not going to work out.
As i have said it is basically Bandwagon the game, like some Exec just saw other hero shooter games games and said make that, and i feel when that happens it becomes souless and lacking passion. Though ironically i think it will go the same was as the plane Concorde.....retired though much much quicker
the first issue that i see people say in comments in the first teaser was "i was down to play it, before the hero shooter part show up" so the art, themes and setting is not the problem, the hero shooter part is
The problem is that it tries to beat Overwatch at its own game but brings absolutely nothing new or unique to the table. The characters may not be bad but they're also nothing special. Why would players in this genre even look at it when Overwatch is free and has an existing large community?
@@SaHaRaSquad i see your point, but what me (and some other people) was first expecting was a game like the guardian of the galaxy, a more akin to a adventure game revolving around a group of space friends in space shenanigans with some light-hearted jokes (even if the marvel humor is kinda oversaturated)
I see lots of people saying the character design. Maybe there was more than one problem?
Imagine if it was a Bioware style scifi RPG, I bet people would be interested
And yet, the foremost issue I see mentioned is the aesthetic.
Trying to push a "live service strategy" might be the worst idea sony ever had 💀
It might have gather them lots of investors thinking of "free" profit
It’s like overwatch + saints row reboot with ugly, DEI designed characters made for the twitter audience. Not appealing to adult men.
The character designs are immediately offputting and not original. You’ve got generic wizard lady, Yondu from Wish, Temu Soldier 76, and Drax from SHEIN all front and center.
Overpriced, unready & UNNECESSARY.
Overwatch is down bad right now but the one thing you can give them credit for is the art style and character designs are top tier as well as the waifus.
Concord is just ugly to look at especially the characters
I wouldn't say it's ugly. The characters are very detailed but graphics isn't everything and the art style just blows. It would have been way better when they went a lot more artistic and gave it a unique style. This looks a bit too realistic but when you go realistic the designs don't work that well. Go something like a cell shaded style a la borderland or go all out with the colours. Just something to grab the attention of people and to stand out.
They got a new character in Overwatch named Juno with a trailer TODAY that I know is gonna lead to a glut of fanart by Monday. Instantly cute and striking design.
You can usually tell the popularity of a game according to how much "art" they have of it on rule 34. But the thing is ain't nobody touching this trash on rule 34. Like I'm serious. I can't even find a tag for it.
Concord is DOA, hell it was DOA in Beta/Demo. Its a game no one asked for and no one wants, let it die.
There's nothing wrong with making a quirky game for a niche audience. In fact I applaud it. Developers and publishers just need to accept that the audience will likely remain niche in size and budget accordingly. Some games do break out of their focused player base, but they are usually unique in someway or they have an original approach. There's nothing we haven't seen before in Concord and the character designs look purposely unappealing. Who's going to spend money on foppish and dowdy digital apparel? Maybe a percentage of that niche group. Publishers need to ask if that's enough to keep the game alive.
Also crazy: the finals got prioritized over arc raiders (i belive the game is called) and then helldivers 2 became super popular.
You have to create your own game and "hope" for the best. Or at least be very early.
Remember pubg, fortnite changed course after the success of pubg. Fort was suppossed to be some tower defense like game, i believe?
They quickly implemented battle royale and made it free.
You can't come 5 years later and make the same thing but with a different color.
modern audience = nobody
You're overthinking it. The character design is shit.
There's dozens of hero shooters out there, that means the world/characters are the biggest selling point. The gameplay might be the best hero shooter out there but if no one likes the characters it won't be played, so no one will find out.
Pronouns in bio is automatically disqualifying.
The pronouns stuff is a non-issue, everything else I'd agree with.
@@midwestbox it is an issue, it highlights the mindset of the game and Sony as a whole which should be avoided, there's a reason its there and its not a good one
yeah true. once I see ugly as sin "modern audience" character designs and pronouns in a game, I instantly check out. a sign of devs that hates gamers
@@midwestbox exactly overwatch is very political or whatever but like the characters are appealing at least
@@marcusclark1339 You keep telling yourself that. If a big game added pronouns to their characters nobody who matters would care.
I'm sticking with Quake 2.
Yeah. Those cringe modern games can go to hell. Not even Helldivers 2 can beat Quake.
If you care about hero shooters you are already playing overwatch or valorant.
A Game like this needs sexy looking women (and yes men) for it to propagate. remember most Player of Overwatch knew who Mercy was before playing the game.
Hentai vs. Evil
It's a cartoon mate. There's a difference between charisma and "sex appeal". Mercy is charismatic, excellent voice acting, her theme as the "savior" is easy to understand, etc.. that's why she is supposed to work, but the internet proliferates loneliness and depression, here it comes "porn" based on the character lol
They need to hire the ppl that make gacha games characters.
I did not, but I bought the game blind the week it came out in 2016. I was a Mercy main though, probably had like 800 hours on her. I think Mcree was a close second followed by Hanzo.
And this is why I can’t take the argument “the characters are gross” seriously it’s just reeking of incel, white cis man is upset he’s not being represented for the first time in history vibes. Like the characters are all easily distinguishable between one another, they aren’t extremely catchy but they are unique and stand out from one another.
Concords characters look like theyre from the dove body positivity in gaming commercial.
The worst character designs ive seen in any media. Its a parody of modern gaming.
The gameplay was serviceable.
The issue with all these multiplayer only shooters is that they lack an onboarding side of their game, especially for new IPs, to get new potential players to at least try it. Concord is a new IP, with no campaign, no community built around the company like Blizzard had when they released Overwatch, ect. Not only that they're pretty much using a F2P model for a P2P game
And after all of that, the game is simply ugly and appeals to no one outside of upper class San Fransisco/LA/Montreal types.
And the people the game appeals to don't even play games...
Why are we not talking about the elephant in the room?
YT will ban my comment id I did and demonitise his channel if he mentions it
Nah, he pretends that doesnt exist, everytime.
Which one?
Sometimes the trouble with 'just getting your head down and working' on something, is that if we don't look up often enough to see the weather change - we get wet.
Worst character design team in the industry today 😂😂😂
I love how bellular as usual ignores the DEI element of the game, enjoy your own game failing for putting monkeys in it
Is the DEI boogeyman in the room with you? 😂
Honestly thought it was quite impressive how he could expertly dodge the elephant in the room and talk about everything else
@@midwestbox Knowing that jews push it in everything they make, yes.
@RUclipsCommentor1 no as we are avoiding crap like this.
...monkeys?
"Start a cult". Even though I have stopped for a while, I still am waiting for their vacation time to be over. HD2 is really a cult
Seriously! I'm just waiting for new new content, don't get me wrong I came back for each Warbond and played for like a week or so with my buddies, but then we moved on. Once you have your set up, the resource grind for the T4 upgrades and the game loop, while fun for a bit, can just get tiring after 200 hours or so.
A slightly more successful law breakers means it’ll last a little bit longer: means it’ll shut down in a year in a half after they give it away on ps plus in 6 months
You're right about the sauce. I look at the game, see it's polish and pomp... and can just tell it doesn't have an ounce of soul, whatever that is.
Sony took helldivers from me, why would I ever bother with sony again...
Why they have to make the character so ugly and overly design???
"All that seasonal content, that's all free". NO it's not free. It's paid but you get it later
Concord is the type of game you will only pay money to give it to a streamer(gift) so they can show their Steam library and the live chat can make fun of the streamer for having that in their library.
This is one of those games that can only be fixed by tearing it down and rebuilding it from the ground up.
Forced diversity, the game.
I mean, $40 USD ($60 CAD for me) is already welcomed if it means we might actually get a pve experience like we were promised and then blatantly lied to about and denied in Overwatch. The cosmetics are just a cherry on top. I'll spend $60 on a new game over some dumb skins and emotes any day, especially since all the new Overwatch characters in Overwatch "2" just recycle existing game elements then slap on a fresh coat of animation
So you are the so called "modern audience" fake gaming journalist like IGN and Kotaku keep yammering about.
you won't, still no pve element just cutscenes
"There WILL BE pve" is not the same as "There IS pve at launch." Overwatch's creators lied and that is made by a billion dollar studio. There isn't a reason to believe this game will meet expectations any more than other games with a half done roadmap. Save your money until the PVE actually is released.
I put this game on ignore on Steam. The ugly characters and the pronouns made it an automatic no for me.
I tried yesterday, but was a terrible experience. No Tutorial, no place to test the characters before play. How I'm supposed to understand the flow if I don't know how to play?
Frustrating, a shoot in they own foot.
anybody even slightly involved in the gaming community knew when they saw the trailer and character designs that the game is DOA, F2P wont save this pile of garbage
Not a mention of the character designs? Clearly it's one of the main things many people dislike in this game.
As a character designer, I feel the game really just lacks in the character aspect, the deigns silhouettes of each of the heros are some of the most boring ive ever seen, ESPECIALLY compared to overwatch, making the heros of the game look way more like background characters in guardians of the galaxy, rather than a team of heros in there own right. Theres just not enough pull in any of them, no niche or provocative traits that makes me question what there story is, it all just feels very cookie cutter, and Im not surprised it failed.
100% agreed! Not to be nasty, but they kinda look like what the randomise button on a character creator spits out. (Colour, accessory use etc)
Hero shooter should had characters that people would like and Concord didn't do that. They didn't know how Overwatch sells.
You can really polish a turd, but then it's just a shiney turd
Concord is an Overwatch clone, right down to the UI, but with 'modern day' sensibilities that customers never liked. Which is why no one actually wanted to play it.
"i'm shocked i thought people would DL muh modern audience corporate games"
No.
People won't play the modern audience slop. Just the visual of the characters mean i wont play it regarding how good the game is. There is tons of indies games or good looking f2p asian games right now. I dont care about anglo political/virtue signaling/corporate games.
They're the sort of people who keep insisting that real DEI has not been tried yet, repeating their insanity over and over.
8:07 the truth is there aren't a lot of people willing to pay for hero shooters, when most choices in the market are free you have it where they have plenty of free options. I bet my bottom dollar if there was another high quality free to play game exactly if not slightly worse than Hell Divers 2, you wouldn't see a Hell Divers 2 released for 40 USD but free.
Sony didn't look at the gameplay and love it. They looked at the gayness and saw ESG money.
Is the ESG Boogeyman in the room with you 😂
Helldivers 2 is a neche game format as it is a co-op focused, objective based 3rd person sci-fi shooter with a variety of enemies, guns and equipment. Concord is in a very crowded market with other hero shooters and shooters in general. Helldivers made a distinct premise and set-up that is different from anything else on the market which players initially gravitated too as a breath of fresh air. Sony and other big companies/publishers are fighting over a limited market now that there are dozens of similar shooters vying for the public's attention.
HD2 is great but becomes a running SIMULATOR in the long run
For me just none of the characters are appealing, and the movement in the game, other than the assassins everyone moves like they are under water, also the competitive mode can have 10 second rounds with 30+ seconds of character selection and loading screens inbetween.
I didn't even realize the warlock has Icarus Dash that puts you into 3rd person. Sound familiar?