Alex saying Gnosticism is Christian is very telling of how lost he is. But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters]. 1 Cor 2,14 AMP
This is why some people say Paul invented Christianity. Paul made himself an authority and threw away the true "gnostic" philosophy, which is similar to Jnana today (Jnana / Gnosis are from the same root word). Dig deep and you will find the early Gnostics were influenced by Indian thought. That strain of thought is still alive today in Advaita Vedanta and elsewhere. No theology required, just pure knowledge. So that the Gnostic texts don't talk about the resurrection at all is extremely important, when contrasted with Paul's statement that "if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Corinthians 15:14-17).
@mattb4249 it was Christian. a gnostic almost became one of the first few popes. He almost won the election. Christianity was so diverse in the first few centuries. It's not what u see today. They all claimed they were Christians because they followed Christ.
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Alex pointed out that one could call JP a gnostic, JP agreed, then said that gnosticism's failure to respect the material lead to it's eventual downfall. He didn't deny being somewhat of a modern gnostic himself, neither did he "rebuke" gnosticism, he just sort of explained why he didn't agree with it.
To clarify, the points raised by Alex are not original to him. He selectively highlights objections from a minority of scholars, specifically regarding passages like Matthew 27:53, which mentions the tombs opening and the holy people walking in the land. This event is only mentioned in Matthew, and we lack further details or explanations about it. As a result, these scholars focus on this aspect, fully aware of the ambiguity, yet they overlook the substantial evidence supporting the resurrection.
@ I suggest you do research before coming online to sound dumb. Thomasines were first century Christians They believed this was inspired word of god. Gospel of Thomas was authoritative
@@Allothersweretakenn No the Gospel of Thomas is from the mid 2nd century to the early 3rd century. Name one council that considered it canonical, you won't find one. Who believed it was inspired give names. Who believed it was authoritative outside of gnostic circles? If your going to make claims back them up.
Actually what JP said was that the catholic church insistence on the reality of the Resurrection of Jesus IN THE FLESH implies the importance of the material world in a more holistic worldview.
Gods wisdom > intellect sometimes a debate or battle of wits is limited so compared to lord almighty he knows so much more than we can grasp but he is revealed through everything in the universe if you look hard enough
Bruh the gospel of Thomas literally is a gnostic gospel that even tells women if they are lucky they’ll be reborn a man. Cmon why are we even wasting our time with this
@@deanmccrorie3461 the only point he made is that as a historical text, it is fascinating. It certainly doesn't need to please you or anyone to be worth discussing.
@@deanmccrorie3461 it depends on what you mean by "seriously". No one here is taking it seriously in the spiritual sense, but certainly for the sake of intellectual curiosity about an ancient text + it's possible origins.
I would love to see ruslan make a video with a Mormon based off his response to Alex o Connor claiming Mormonism to be interesting at the end of their discussion. Sadly, I have a feeling that won’t ever happen because most people just want to shout from afar because it’s comfortable for them.
I normally enjoy Ruslan however in this one you can see even in his body language that he is already decided he doesn't agree and is just looking for ways to combat instead of just listening and engaging in good faith. The hand on the face, eye squinting, rubbing the beard the body language says a lot. Also interrupting and trying to paint Alex's views differently than he said they are implies Ruslan is either not listening or is doing that in bad faith. Both are not normally what I see from him
Facts! I mentioned this critique in another video. He's treating him like a kid and not appealing to his worldview. I'm a protestant, charismatic, Christian and I love Ruslan's videos, but this series with Alex don't feel right. It feels inauthentic and missing the mark. Alex should have someone to sit down, have coffee, read the bible together, and talk about what they read versus being told what to do. Paul, appealed to the stoics and epicureans in Athens (Acts 17:16), why are we not doing the same for those outside the faith today?
@ I agree with you and I’ve been thinking I wonder if the issue comes from people not laying out their personal beliefs first because the way I see it you either believe in a religion because the texts lead you to your beliefs or you believe for the sake of faith. Anyone who believes for the sake of faith isn’t going to consider any textual debate since it’s not the foundation for their belief system
The myth of neutrality, no one is neutral, everyone has a bias, and a Christian necessarily requires having a worldview that despises the Gnostic outlook. If you don't push back against Gnosticism, you're not a Christian.
I can't help but feel that Ruslan has this recurring bad habbit of misinterpreting or projecting his desired interpretation onto a situation. At no point in JBP and Alex O'Conner's discussion does he deliver anything remotely close to a rebuke. He has disagreements, but they (Alex and JBP) were both clearly eager to dig more into the meat of gnosticism and to contend with some of the ideas within. JBP even said it influenced the writing of his latest book. Rusland regularly doing this is frustrating because i think its costs him some legitimacy to those who are visitng his channel. You can have meaningful discussions and be a witness without projecting your own interests into the discussion at the cost of your objectivity.
Go watch what JP said to him about Gnosticism. I think a pretty clear rebuke and redirection. Gnosticism is poison. If you think the word “rebuke” is too strong that’s a different conversation.
I always wonder why people say “not written” or “all that was said..”. We only have scrolls we found. More will prolly be found and much hasn’t been found or never will.
what would it be like it your Grandparents met Jesus or even a disciple, or what if it was your immediate Parents what kind of ideas could you be a conduit for?
Great work Ruslan. You held your own. Just because someone is smart, just because someone is an academic it doesn't legitamise everything they say. Most atheist scholars doubt the legitimacy of Thomas. Alex O'connor is almost trolling with this gnostic nonsense
The true difference between Gnosticism and Orthodoxy is that Gnostics are all about themselves and Orthodoxy is about helping your neighbor. Catholics, Orthodox, evangelicals, Protestants we are all part of orthodoxy and yes we disagree among each other but we also strive to help our fellow man! We don’t think we’re special like gnostics we think God and his creation is special and therefor we obey Gods command to go into the world and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Go check the statistics of who helps through charitable means and you will find it’s us more than anyone including more than these false leftist bureaucrats who claim they are helping the poor and needy through our tax dollars. This has always has been the case, even when St Irenaus was rebuking the gnostics of his day in the 3rd century, we were the ones helping orphans and widows. Bart Ehrman agrees with that. God bless all my siblings in Christ! Keep praying for Alex!
The reason is, without the resurrection there is no salvation. The devil does whatever strategy to take souls away from our Lord Jesus Christ. Thats why islam also denies the death and resurrection.
So Alex will agree that I as a woman need to become male to go to heaven? I am curious if he is so fascinated with the gospel of Thomas I guess he would like to see all women grow beard 😂😂
Languages change in the course of two thousand years, so the meaning of "word for word" what Alex is looking for here, simply doesn't exist in the context of translation.
LUKE 1:1 1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. There's a reason why luke is an important person in the new testament, because he didn't met Jesus , but he investigated what the early Christians in that time from yr 33 (Jesus resurrection) to his time writting yr 60ish.. what they believe. During the yr 33 to 60s ish the early Christians transmitted by word like in Matthew 28:20 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Mark 16:15 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. " Everything was by word and they knew how to stand firm just like in 2 thessalonians 2:15 15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. 2 thessalonians 3:6 6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. Then year 60s that's when Luke comes and investigates and writes it down on record, so that our faith is strong and 100% legit what Christians believe
Csnt wait for the jesuit alex connor vs wes huf debate(where they argue which is better the gnostic fake texts or the gnostic fake texts? Who will win11????
@@RuslanKDbro you dont need to make excuses. Alex is almost trolling, his heart isnt open and hes an academic. Regardless of what you say its a hard conversation to have. Im a catholic and you did well brother. He is constantly batting you away. Styles make fights. It's like boxing. With love charismatics will struggle with academic Atheists.
@ Carbon dating has shown us the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and we accept that as fact. Similarly, Neanderthals have been discovered worldwide, and they predate the earliest human bones by thousands of years. These aren’t isolated findings-countless Neanderthal specimens have been unearthed, along with evidence of their tools, families, and hunting practices. If they are part of God’s creation, were they also made in His image?
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Praying that Alex encounters the Lord in a supernatural undeniable way 🙏
Bud pray for that for all of us. You might as well call me Thomas. Less I see buddy I ain't believing
Can you demonstrate that you have? Do you have a selfie with him or something?
I wonder why the lord won’t reveal himself to Alex? Damn maybe we gotta pray harder
Ive never met anyone that has encountered the lord in a supernatural undeniable way and I've spent my whole life surrounded by Christians
Alex saying Gnosticism is Christian is very telling of how lost he is.
But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters].
1 Cor 2,14 AMP
This is why some people say Paul invented Christianity. Paul made himself an authority and threw away the true "gnostic" philosophy, which is similar to Jnana today (Jnana / Gnosis are from the same root word). Dig deep and you will find the early Gnostics were influenced by Indian thought. That strain of thought is still alive today in Advaita Vedanta and elsewhere. No theology required, just pure knowledge. So that the Gnostic texts don't talk about the resurrection at all is extremely important, when contrasted with Paul's statement that "if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Corinthians 15:14-17).
@mattb4249 it was Christian. a gnostic almost became one of the first few popes. He almost won the election. Christianity was so diverse in the first few centuries. It's not what u see today. They all claimed they were Christians because they followed Christ.
Finally! This exact convo with Alex!
Alex just wants his ears tickled. He finds Gnosticism "interesting". He's just collecting intellectual souvenirs.
Won’t make it to the Bless God Summit in person but I did get the virtual ticket. ❤Not what I was hoping for but learning is learning, hearing is hearing, and being apart of something, though not in person, is far more important than not participating at all. Thanks for bringing out the virtual summit. I do plan to be away from work and in a hotel so I’m not distracted. ALL IN 😊
Alex pointed out that one could call JP a gnostic, JP agreed, then said that gnosticism's failure to respect the material lead to it's eventual downfall. He didn't deny being somewhat of a modern gnostic himself, neither did he "rebuke" gnosticism, he just sort of explained why he didn't agree with it.
Yeah throwing these words around like "rebuke" is like assigning motive to people's actions. 😂
To clarify, the points raised by Alex are not original to him. He selectively highlights objections from a minority of scholars, specifically regarding passages like Matthew 27:53, which mentions the tombs opening and the holy people walking in the land. This event is only mentioned in Matthew, and we lack further details or explanations about it. As a result, these scholars focus on this aspect, fully aware of the ambiguity, yet they overlook the substantial evidence supporting the resurrection.
There is NO evidence supporting ANY resurrection. 🤦♂️
@@Mamba4.8 Trying to find objective truth by ignoring the evidence? Alex is a hyperseptic who will never find the truth, unfortunately.
I read the gospel of Thomas and felt secondhand embarrassment for the crap that is it. Half the riddles and sayings in it complete gibberish.
Then it’s curious, a good amount of them turn up in the canonical gospels.
😂😂😂😂that's how I looked after reading a bit Revelations. Like, what the author dehydrated, having a sun stroke, on shrooms, losing his mind¿¿¿ 😂
@ Other way around, the author of thomas put some of Jesus real sayings in with all the crappy made up sayings to try and make them seem more legit.
@
I suggest you do research before coming online to sound dumb.
Thomasines were first century Christians
They believed this was inspired word of god.
Gospel of Thomas was authoritative
@@Allothersweretakenn No the Gospel of Thomas is from the mid 2nd century to the early 3rd century. Name one council that considered it canonical, you won't find one. Who believed it was inspired give names. Who believed it was authoritative outside of gnostic circles? If your going to make claims back them up.
Actually what JP said was that the catholic church insistence on the reality of the Resurrection of Jesus IN THE FLESH implies the importance of the material world in a more holistic worldview.
John called the Christian gnostics antichrists. Peter compared them to Balaam. Jude compared them to Cain.
The evangelical and the intellectual, I’m loving this
This is a great interview! Thanks, Ruslan!
Gods wisdom > intellect sometimes a debate or battle of wits is limited so compared to lord almighty he knows so much more than we can grasp but he is revealed through everything in the universe if you look hard enough
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Bruh the gospel of Thomas literally is a gnostic gospel that even tells women if they are lucky they’ll be reborn a man.
Cmon why are we even wasting our time with this
@@deanmccrorie3461 the gospel of Thomas is just sayings. Where does it even say that?
@@brabbit8790 it does.
@@deanmccrorie3461 the only point he made is that as a historical text, it is fascinating. It certainly doesn't need to please you or anyone to be worth discussing.
@ it can be used as a form of showing people how corruption has many forms. But to be taken seriously is a waste of time.
@@deanmccrorie3461 it depends on what you mean by "seriously". No one here is taking it seriously in the spiritual sense, but certainly for the sake of intellectual curiosity about an ancient text + it's possible origins.
I hate that with intellectuals that everything is "well actually".
Pseudo*
seems like a you problem
I would love to see ruslan make a video with a Mormon based off his response to Alex o Connor claiming Mormonism to be interesting at the end of their discussion. Sadly, I have a feeling that won’t ever happen because most people just want to shout from afar because it’s comfortable for them.
I normally enjoy Ruslan however in this one you can see even in his body language that he is already decided he doesn't agree and is just looking for ways to combat instead of just listening and engaging in good faith. The hand on the face, eye squinting, rubbing the beard the body language says a lot. Also interrupting and trying to paint Alex's views differently than he said they are implies Ruslan is either not listening or is doing that in bad faith. Both are not normally what I see from him
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Facts! I mentioned this critique in another video. He's treating him like a kid and not appealing to his worldview. I'm a protestant, charismatic, Christian and I love Ruslan's videos, but this series with Alex don't feel right. It feels inauthentic and missing the mark.
Alex should have someone to sit down, have coffee, read the bible together, and talk about what they read versus being told what to do. Paul, appealed to the stoics and epicureans in Athens (Acts 17:16), why are we not doing the same for those outside the faith today?
@ I agree with you and I’ve been thinking I wonder if the issue comes from people not laying out their personal beliefs first because the way I see it you either believe in a religion because the texts lead you to your beliefs or you believe for the sake of faith. Anyone who believes for the sake of faith isn’t going to consider any textual debate since it’s not the foundation for their belief system
The myth of neutrality, no one is neutral, everyone has a bias, and a Christian necessarily requires having a worldview that despises the Gnostic outlook. If you don't push back against Gnosticism, you're not a Christian.
Because Alex O'connor is talking rubbish
I can't help but feel that Ruslan has this recurring bad habbit of misinterpreting or projecting his desired interpretation onto a situation. At no point in JBP and Alex O'Conner's discussion does he deliver anything remotely close to a rebuke. He has disagreements, but they (Alex and JBP) were both clearly eager to dig more into the meat of gnosticism and to contend with some of the ideas within. JBP even said it influenced the writing of his latest book.
Rusland regularly doing this is frustrating because i think its costs him some legitimacy to those who are visitng his channel. You can have meaningful discussions and be a witness without projecting your own interests into the discussion at the cost of your objectivity.
Go watch what JP said to him about Gnosticism. I think a pretty clear rebuke and redirection. Gnosticism is poison. If you think the word “rebuke” is too strong that’s a different conversation.
I always wonder why people say “not written” or “all that was said..”. We only have scrolls we found. More will prolly be found and much hasn’t been found or never will.
It sounds similar to the Sanhedrin: one side believed in resurrection and the other denied it.
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. 1 Cor 10:23 NKJV
what would it be like it your Grandparents met Jesus or even a disciple, or what if it was your immediate Parents what kind of ideas could you be a conduit for?
Yeah guys way different without a script.
Great work Ruslan. You held your own. Just because someone is smart, just because someone is an academic it doesn't legitamise everything they say. Most atheist scholars doubt the legitimacy of Thomas. Alex O'connor is almost trolling with this gnostic nonsense
Try to be a better active listener Ruslan
The true difference between Gnosticism and Orthodoxy is that Gnostics are all about themselves and Orthodoxy is about helping your neighbor.
Catholics, Orthodox, evangelicals, Protestants we are all part of orthodoxy and yes we disagree among each other but we also strive to help our fellow man!
We don’t think we’re special like gnostics we think God and his creation is special and therefor we obey Gods command to go into the world and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
Go check the statistics of who helps through charitable means and you will find it’s us more than anyone including more than these false leftist bureaucrats who claim they are helping the poor and needy through our tax dollars. This has always has been the case, even when St Irenaus was rebuking the gnostics of his day in the 3rd century, we were the ones helping orphans and widows. Bart Ehrman agrees with that.
God bless all my siblings in Christ! Keep praying for Alex!
Alex has not ever said a wrong statement ever
and he's 25 years old
The reason is, without the resurrection there is no salvation. The devil does whatever strategy to take souls away from our Lord Jesus Christ. Thats why islam also denies the death and resurrection.
Hasn't Peterson said that Jesus is God? Very recently I mean...
So Alex will agree that I as a woman need to become male to go to heaven? I am curious if he is so fascinated with the gospel of Thomas I guess he would like to see all women grow beard 😂😂
Mate I don't think he was actually endorsing the Gospel of Thomas lmao. Alex is an atheist if you somehow didn't know
The live show is way different than short snippets.
Languages change in the course of two thousand years, so the meaning of "word for word" what Alex is looking for here, simply doesn't exist in the context of translation.
Alex is coming back for another conversation?
It’s a clip from a live video
Is he the world's first materialist gnostic?
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No
@@RuslanKDdouble the ads
@@RuslanKD haha this got me laughing
I think you went around in circles on this debate
I think you’re right
Am becoming a fan of alex again
Making merchant off of what JESUS DID?? Cmon let’s return to purity!!!!!
LUKE 1:1
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
There's a reason why luke is an important person in the new testament, because he didn't met Jesus , but he investigated what the early Christians in that time from yr 33 (Jesus resurrection) to his time writting yr 60ish.. what they believe.
During the yr 33 to 60s ish the early Christians transmitted by word like in
Matthew 28:20
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Mark 16:15
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. "
Everything was by word and they knew how to stand firm just like in
2 thessalonians 2:15
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
2 thessalonians 3:6
6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us.
Then year 60s that's when Luke comes and investigates and writes it down on record, so that our faith is strong and 100% legit what Christians believe
Csnt wait for the jesuit alex connor vs wes huf debate(where they argue which is better the gnostic fake texts or the gnostic fake texts? Who will win11????
why does ruslan look hella jittery
He feels threatened and unprepared
Because in a battle of wits, ruslan came unarmed
Cuz this was 3 hours in and I was fried
@@RuslanKDbro you dont need to make excuses. Alex is almost trolling, his heart isnt open and hes an academic. Regardless of what you say its a hard conversation to have. Im a catholic and you did well brother. He is constantly batting you away. Styles make fights. It's like boxing. With love charismatics will struggle with academic Atheists.
Testing: Checking if an atheist is still getting silenced here on this channel. Was Adam and Eve neanderthals?
No they were human beings
@ Carbon dating has shown us the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and we accept that as fact. Similarly, Neanderthals have been discovered worldwide, and they predate the earliest human bones by thousands of years. These aren’t isolated findings-countless Neanderthal specimens have been unearthed, along with evidence of their tools, families, and hunting practices. If they are part of God’s creation, were they also made in His image?
0:55 when alex lies and catches himself 😂😂😂😂
Alex didn't lie
I didn’t see it, show us how he lied