Sukuna Was Never a Fraud!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- In the midst of the battle between Gojo and Sukuna, fandom alleged that the King of Curses was a fraud. But now I'm here to tell you that was an absolute lie.
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0:00 Introduction
1:24 why the fraud allegations?
8:47 Gojo is a fraud?
9:54 Gojo disagrees with his own fans
12:30 Rematch
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People are commenting saying that I "left out" that Sukuna used Megumi as a shield against Unlimited Void. Guys, this is a part of SUKUNA'S ability. His ability to turn into a cursed object allows him to forcefully incarnate inside of someone and by proxy that gives him the ability to use the host's soul as a shield. Again, how is this fraudlike when it's actually very impressive that Sukuna can do this?
More unbridled cope
Keep glazing buddy
Btw…
I wanted Gojo to win 🤣 @@ShadeThaArtist
The point you're making that 10 shadows is Sukuna's technique isn't the fraud claim, the fraud claim comes from the fact that Sukuna told Gojo that the first person he'd kill was Gojo once he took over Yuji's body, which he was never truly able to do so he body swapped to Megumi which gave him access to Mahoraga without which Sukuna at the beginning of the series would have been unable to use in order to find a blueprint to kill Gojo. The fraud claim comes from the fact that Sukuna without access to Mahoraga in Yuji's body would have lost because right after the unlimited purple (which may not have even been necessary without Mahoraga's existence due to the many times Mahoraga stepped in to protect Sukuna) Gojo was in a better position and would have been able to fight Sukuna again without Sukuna having the ability to bypass his infinity. Gojo says some bs late like oh sukuna would've found a way, but being perfectly honest even if Sukuna brought back his Heian form to fight Gojo so long as he didn't have a long range way to dispel infinity Sukuna would have probably lost. Of course there's a ton of variables at play so no one can say for sure, but what everyone can say for sure is that Sukuna was not able to beat Gojo on his own merit alone with his ability from the past he NEEDED Mahoraga's blue print and that is why we say he's a fraud. Also losing to a fraud doesn't mean that you're a fraud because fraud has nothing to do with ability it just means you aren't who you said you are and Sukuna was not, there are a ton of arguments as to why Gojo would have been Sukuna if he didn't have 10 shadows though and when Gojo claimed he would beat Sukuna, Sukuna didn't have access to 10 Shadows so that claim can't be viewed as fraudulent since we never saw the fight happen.
Also Gojo lost to the plot fuck gege hmph/s
@@Br0kuok bandwagon
@@clowncircus-dm3fd bandwagon? I don’t think you understood a word of anything I’ve said.
It’s funny how so many people celebrated Gojos death not because they hate him or like Sukuna but because of Gojos fanboys annoying the entire Anime Community💀.
Im that person
usss bro uss
Guilty as charged
Actually Goku or bleach can't bypass infinity cuz it's above dimension 🤓
I just want to see them seethe bro
This actually is interesting. As bloodlusted as Megumi was during the culling games, he could not have extended Nue to the size of a building. Nue was a monster bringing down thunder from the sky.
Yuta uses curse speech far more leathal than the originator Toge who would have been fodder in the culling games.
Remember what a fuss the Kamo Clan made when Noritoshi was the only who inherited blood manipulation?
I bet that Choso could destroy the Kamo clan.
Some CTs are a different stories in the hands of different people. Or to put it like Kenjaku. "Cursed techniques are their own world"
oh actually this about nue is a misconception, sukuna did not just made nue bigger because of his skill or cursed energy, but because nue at that point was fused with orochi, the big ass snake that sukuna himself killed, this can be more visible in the redraws for the volume release, where nue now has the orochi symbol in its forehead
@@jcplays1749 I mean, it's not like his skill or cursed energy wasn't a factor at all
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 it basically wasn't tbh, because as we saw, mahoraga wasn't bigger, max elefant wasn't bigger, etc, basically if megumi did the same thing, merging nue and orochi, it would be the same size, but things like, he using max elephant water as the percing blood, was something that sukuna's intelect made him able to do, something that technically, megumi could do since he unlocked the max elephants, but the size of nue is not affected at all by sukuna's skill or cursed energy
@@jcplays1749 okay, I can understand the part with Sukuna but the others are a clear case
@@Grayson-Winchester well yes, I was only talking about sukuna
Sukuna had 3 ways to win as I see it
Method one: Overuse of the CT burnout heal, since it damages the brain Gojo would lose his Domain and Sukuna could just use his to bypass his Infinity, but that method didn't work because he took damage from Unlimited Void
Method two: Mahoraga, this is the one we saw, by observing his second adaptation Sukuna used it as a base to upgrade his slashes so that they bypass Infinity, which is crazy considering that while foreshadowed he still did it in a few minutes, this just demonstrates Sukuna's absurd understanding of Jujustu
Method three: True body, considering that he can use hand sinds and chats without restrictions he could make the output of his Domain far higher and probably surpass Gojo's RCT output
I think method is less likely to work due to Gojo’s more efficient cursed energy control.
Mahoraga bailed him out when was caught in unlimited void tho.
But agree with method 3 tho I think he would be in bigger trouble if he went in to the start of the fight with true form instead often shadows, cause he’d be trading Hax, versatility and reinforcements, for double the power output. Not that good of a trade with Gojo as his opponent
@@JDWalker495 I fully believe Heien Sukuna would just overwhelm Gojo. Not only can he continuously buff his attacks but you have his big buff ass clobbering you at the same time. It gets really ugly if he decides to use DE. I think the story was telling us that he would've handily defeated Gojo.
Also people tend to forget that Domain Amplification can also deal with Infinity
@@JDWalker495 sukuna's directly stated to be the second best person at cursed energy control.
He is also said to have twice the cursed energy as Yuta and it's been directly implied Yuta has more Cursed energy than Gojo. So Sukuna has way more cursed energy but Gojo is slightly better at using cursed energy.
You ignored the fact that to adapt to gojo techniques sukuna had to take damage so that mahoraga could adapt, so he was taking damage on purpose, since if he used domain amplification mahoraga would not adapt, so sukuna was deactivating domain amplification to take damage on purpose, a riskier strategy to gain a new power, if sukuna didn't go for that riskier plan, the fight would have gone a lot differently.
What I've been saying bruh
Fr dawg its been two months since chp 236 and people still ignore all the context regarding sukuna and continue to meatride gojo.Similar sh*t happened on No Operator's stream yesterday
sukuna didn't need to take damage nor did he intend to sukuna says he used mahoraga to adapt to UV's instant hit effect(basically every time sukuna was inside gojo's domain and gojo was targeting him he was adapting) sukuna didn't plan on losing the domain clash and nearly dying due to UV and he didn't intend to lose mahoraga at the end of the fight gojo was just simply stronger than he thought
And you also ignored that Sukuna was also careful on what attacks he can take on: i.e. Gojo's purple and unlimited void (why he sacrificed Mahoraga who was done teaching him by then and why he let Megumi took the domain damage). Also, you have to factor in that Gojo can so much more easily kill Mahoraga than Sukuna. So yeah, Sukuna will take most of the damage even after summoning Mahoraga's phyisical body. Of course Sukuna was not a fraud in doing that. He just knows the limitation of the CT. I mean Sukuna killed Maho in 15 finger form and easily tamed it in his 20 finger form so Gojo being even anywhere close in strength to his 20 finger form will also exorcise Mahoraga if he lets them just fight 1v1. But don't mistake Sukuna holding back his powers with him holding back on his trump cards. That is just called playing it smart. Had he used his Heian form too early he would risks being damaged too early and not getting to extend his playtime with the rest of the crew.
@@rbr1170Gojo would have died in Heian Era Sukuna's domain. Chanting makes Sukuna's domain completely overrides Gojo's, making the fight even more one-sided.
It's funny how sukuna peak physics (which is stated to be superio than the 2 arm version) would have most likely allowed him to withstand the 1st 3 minutes attack from Gojo that result in Sukuna's domain being destroyed for the 1st time in their fight, which was the event that open the possibility for Gojo to land the Infinite Void in the 5th domain clash. An all out Sukuna right from the start would wreck Gojo.
facts🗿
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4 arm form would still lose to gojo in hand to hand
Nah, we still yet to see if 4 arm Sukuna is any good at hand to hand when he fights Yuji. Kashimo was getting smoked when Hakari decided to up the speed. So all we know so far is that Sukuna heain form may be just a hit faster but we can be sure he was still not faster than Gojo. He wrecked Gojo because he developed the better CT (although Gojo had at first the better CT in from beginning to mid fight). His form arm was only stated categorically to make him far far better at using his CT. Gojo was fighting Sukuna who practically has 6 arms (his two, Mahoraga's and Agito's). But yeah , heain form Sukuna with the more divine slash still splits Gojo but without that he will still have a hard time.
And yeah, I know Sukuna will always find another way to get past his infinity but while he is still figuring that out he will get punched and thrown around. And as people already know, it will take time, and during that time Gojo is not just surviving, he is fighting. But yeah, he wins in the end and we will either get a minimum of two Gojo, maybe not as many Kashimo, but definitely more than one Gojo.
And even if their domain broke, Sukuna has an extra mouth to chant and regain his CT output. So the next DE clash will result in Sukuna activating his domain first and we know how bad that would be for Gojo.
Sukuna baited gojo to start a domain clash, while not being able to use CT in his domain in order for mahoraga to have enough time to adapt to the infinity. He took an incredible amount of risk taking the risk of the sure hit effect of Gojo’s domain. Gojo had noticed a little to late that it was Sukuna’s intention from the start
He was risking death to win and jjk has implied that the higher the risk the higher the rewards
@@jackblack2679 He took an incredible risk to learn a new ability.
228 confirms he was holding back in the domain clashes specifically for this goal.
It is confirmed sukuna could beat Gojo using the domains as that does surpass infinity.
I think Sukuna still would've found a way to get Infinity, even without 10S, just that it would've taken much longer to achieve. If Sukuna never met megumi, this entire time he would found another way to get past infinity, whether its his own arsenal or not. The way I saw the fight was that Gojo was trying to kill Sukuna, while Sukuna was just battling gojo to get stronger and better his technique. He had a plan to use Mahoraga and stuck to the plan, making dangerous gamble gojo states himself and came out using that plan, even when getting dogged on by Gojo, he never faltered from 10S and tried to reincarnate or unveil his CT or any other abilities. Sukuna got nervous, because the vision he saw for Maho was taking to long and the moment he saw aka, 234 i believe where Maho chops Gojo's arm off. This moment was the end of the fight. All in all to say, Sukuna with his knowledge who have still found a way to bypass infinity, Mahoraga was just the fastest and most efficient option.
Respect to you king 🫡 Thats exactly what i am saying, people are saying sukuna would have easily defeated gojo in heinen era form but they fail to realise that the fight would have been extremely difficult for both of them to win.
Ong that’s exactly what I’m saying,
That doesn't make sense of he took longer he would die, he almost died 3 times and 2 of them save by maroraga wtf you are saying 10s wouldn't make the difference
Yeah that’s how I read the whole fight as well especially the line that said “Sakuna was nervous” at that moment if he hadn’t killed Gojo soon he would’ve needed to resort to a new plan on the spot. Most likely he would’ve re-incarnated, and know how crafty Gojo is he would’ve been much more difficult to handle
I disagree.
Without Mahoraga, Sukuna wouldn't have enough time to find a counter to infinity. I think saying otherwise is just disingenuous. Without Mahoraga, Gojo could've killed Sukuna twice. I don't think Sukuna needs the 10S to beat Gojo, but he needs it to execute that strategy.
With Mahoraga, Agito and the rest of the 10S, Sukuna was afforded a crutch that let him fight more passively.
Without the 10S, Sukuna would have to beat Gojo is a battle of Domain Expansion, which I think shouldn't be too difficult for him, but if it gets to a battle of CT, Gojo is much stronger than Sukuna.
1 Things I'd like to add, I don't think Sukuna is a fraud, but I think he had a huge advantage over Gojo, in having 2 CT's at his disposal, versus Gojo's 1.
He had the best pure AP CT, Cleave and Dismantle. And the best tactical CT, in the 10 Shadows.
Both these 2 are arguably the best on their own, together they're broken.
The king didn't beat Gojo. He beat the limitless itself, and he held back to enjoy the fight. He says it himself. If he finds something amusing, he'll play with it if he finds something an eyesore, he'll kill it.
Yup he could’ve killed gojo earlier but he would’ve not gained what he wanted in the long run which was self improvement of his technique and he did it without showing any cards truly the greatest
You know who is a fraud
You know who kept on trying to summon daddy mahoraga to save him
Megumi
He ain't a fraud since it's his own technique
@@tmakster7748 bud sucks at using it tho, like fr
Sukuna made it his own technique
@@tmakster7748Sukuna has the ability to steal a body and use that bodies technique. That is his technique....So he's not a fraud. He used his own technique and even used Megumi's better than him. Megumi was born with it and still wasn't even close.
@@zaerogartorias9890 thats not sukuna's technique
I just find it hilarious that Gojo himself said he didn't know if he would've beat Sukuna without the 10S, along with Sukuna's perfect form for jujutsu sorcery, there are still people who genuinely believe Sukuna NEVER could've won without Maho, hilarious. If Sukuna amps up his CT guaranteed hit inside his domain with incantations while fighting Gojo, Gojo will die. Gojo literally was using RCT on MAX output to survive the slashes, and with ampt power on the output of Sukuna's slashes, either Gojo teleports away (Sukuna won't let that slide) or dies painfully. If you want to make the argument Sukuna needs Maho after the DE clashes, then I can see an argument there. All of Sukuna's win cons except for relying on Maho are gone, forcing Sukuna to either evolve or die.
Facts
If being a fraud means using your abilities or using summonings do people realize how many frauds there'd be in anime? BB, Sasuke, Naruto the list goes on
Glazing it what made people not able to understand
BB is a fraud
@@kingnaaaSo original Sukuna was weak. That's what you don't understand
Aizen,Madara,Kira
@@damaito1829Og Sukuna wasn't weak by any means lol.
*Has one of the best AP based CTs - Cleave/Dismantle
*Has CT reserves double that of Yuta
*Has an Open barrier domain
*Can open his domain multiple times in one fight
*Can use DA with his DE simultaneously(Even the honoured one expressed shock at this fact)
*Can change the conditions of his domain at will
*Can learn anything he sees almost instantaneously(healing his CT with RCT,turning himself into a cursed object)
*Tanked multiple attacks from the honoured one
*Had a domain on par in refinement with the honoured one
*Doesn't require hand signs to perform Cleave/Dismantle showcasing mastery of his CT
*Has high tactical intelligence
I think sukuna is here and as well as many other villains to show us Geto was right all along but people don’t want to accept it. Evil lives longer than good, the only way to fully combat that evil is with overwhelming power, power that can’t only come from one person unless it’s used selfishly. So there’s a choice, tell the world about curses & prepare people or that one person take out everyone who is too weak & rebuild for stronger combatants. Regardless of the fact, curses are getting stronger. At some point sorcerers can’t protect everyone, not even Satoru Gojo shown in his battle with Sukuna. So now it begs the question, what is the answer to this? And I believe it’s Yuji becoming a curse to take down all curses similarly to Mahito, a reflection of the human race, yuji will be the reflection of cursed spirits, that is why they are the same but different
The crazy part is, the shrine is implied to be more capable than even the 10 shikigami during sukunas conversation with yorozu. She asks why he isn't using shrine, and he says that 10 shadows will be more than enough for her. Sukuna handicapped himself during his fight with gojo, to not reveal his trump card, along with his cursed tools. Another thing to consider was that Kenjaku one of the most intelligent people when it comes to jujutsu wasn't even suprised when gojo lost. This should say something since hes fought and studied users of both six eyes and infinity.
I'd go as far as to say that Kenjaku had no doubt that Sukuna would have won. His plan was completely dependant on Gojo dying and he was so chill about it.
Nah, that was more because if Sukuna was not that familiar with the 10shadows then Yoruzo will most likely not be familiar with it in its full form too especially because Sukuna is the first one to actually master it completely. And Yoruzo wants to fight Sukuna and getting wrecked by his own CT is just more personal, and as murderers they prefer the more personal touch of a knife than the more distant "gun" so to speak. But yeah, the Shrine is definitely more divine than the 10 shadows but you have to broaden your perspective in that "matching" is a thing. 10 shadows was the best way to descale Gojo. Of course he could have just went with the Shrine all the way and ended up with even more brain damage but Sukuna is not that stupid. The Shrine without the skill that Mahoraga taught Sukuna was really not that great against Gojo's overall skillset. But in terms of overall OP-ness (i.e. destructibility) of course the Shrine would be at the top but in terms of 'adaptability' (see what I did there *wink), 10 shadows is at the peak. The original shrine did fail but the Mahoraga triumphed in the end. It was the smartest move. Shrine is just the best at destroying but it really does not work if the other guy can "stand" thru it. Remember that Mahoraga almost completed his regeneration and why Sukuna had to use open and Mahoraga is far below Gojo (note that this is where Mahoraga still 'shines', it does not need to be faster stronger than Gojo, it just needs to adapt enough so it no longer matters).
Had Sukuna opted for his Heian form and used Yoruzo's gift he would have just showed more of his cards and learned nothing new. Sukuna simply likes playing. But does that mean he never had any risks? If you never learned anything from our Gambler King, you have to risks life in order to make it exciting. So yeah, the moments when Sukuna was at risks were real. He could have lowered the risks but where is the fun in that?
@@rbr1170 Sukuna obviously took a lot of risks. Even his heian era form would have sustained significant damage from hollow purple and the damage sustained would hinder his chances of winning the subsequent fights. Hence he went so far to hold off his incarnation. Would he beat Gojo in his heian form? Yes. Would he manage to win the fights after while being damaged from Gojo? Absolutely not. So, his only chance was to beat Gojo without fully incarnating.
Daily reminder that Sukuna using ten shadows on round 1 nerfed him since he couldn’t use his own technique
You are acting like someone forced him to use maharaga 🤨 that was his own choice.
@@miftahuljannat3050Exactly… he chose to use the ability that nerfed him to an extent. That’s the point he was trying to make lol.
@@cornbread9512 and my point is nobody forced him to use 10 shaodws 🤦♂️ he could have used his own technique and win but he didn’t
@@miftahuljannat3050 I can’t tell if this is a troll or if you’re being serious but either way this is really funny lmao
@@cornbread9512 would you mind explaining me how i am wrong? 🤨
Sukuna's intentions were always to just evolve his own cursed technique, even when it didn't seem like it at first. Like when he got rid of Gojo's DE and called him an "ordinary guy", it was obviously because Gojo couldn't help him evolve. Sukuna is always looking for ways to evolve and when Gojo had in fact damaged Sukuna's brain enough, Sukuna had a smile on his face as he was getting sucker punched, and at that moment he went back to his original plan to adapt Mahoraga and get that blueprint.
If he didn't have Mahoraga, he'd find a different way to evolve his own CT and he would also fight differently overall. Gojo's win factor in the domain clashes was: if he could damage Sukuna before 3 minutes and 9 seconds had passed, his unlimited void would hit Sukuna.
But Sukuna wouldn't intentionally take hits, he'd have four arms and a mouth to constantly chant which could maybe strengthen his slashes within a domain. I do think Sukuna's four arms could help him in hand to hand combat against Gojo, but Gojo is still very good against several arms (he fought both Agito and Mahoraga at the same time) but I do think the four arms could play a big role, and if not, they could do handsigns to strengthen his domain slashes even more.
This would give Gojo even less time while also struggling a bit more in hand to hand. Even the 0.1 domain expansion that Gojo did against Sukuna wouldn't work, as the only reason Gojo was able to do that was just because Sukuna hadn't healed his CT because he healed himself first. Reason why it wouldn't work is because Sukuna would sustain less damage from Gojo and would likely just heal his CT.
Not that Gojo's 0.1 domain expansion would even happen in the first place because Sukuna would destroy Gojo's domain before he sustained enough damage, which would just cause Gojo to get slashed up once again, having to heal his CT once more. Once he heals his CT again, he is damaging his own brain.
Facts
Thing is Sukuna first made sure that Gojo couldn’t use his domain expansion, because if something had slipped and was caught in Gojo’s domain it’s total fatality for him. That’s why he’s a big brain, I enjoyed this fight so much
Sukuna showed why he was the goat sorcerer with his biq, adaptability, prep, handling his multiple techniques, analyzation and combat skills. While Gojo also did some crazy shit with his healing CT with RCT and how he handled Sukuna's domain, Sukuna displayed far more better feats in terms of sorcery. The fact that this man Sukuna has 6 lvl analyzation skills when he just has normal eyes is crazy. Just goes to show how good his biq is.
Sukuna stole 10S & INSTANTLY BECAME THE BEST USER IN HISTORY. Him taming Marohaga automatically makes him the best as the ancient 10S that tied with Gojo’s ancestor didn’t tame Marohaga. But what do I know? Sukuna is a lying fraud. Absolutely weak & needed the plot to save him
So just because 6 eye users are unable to do it no body else should be able to do it?? not even the character called king of the curses from golden age of jujutsu sorcerers that has 1000 years of battle experience and we barely know what powers he has and very little lore?? and lets end the plot bullshit here right? when gojo dies by the hands of toji who stab him in the brains and gojo revives using RCT, yuh it totally makes sense and no plot involved right. But when sukuna literally used one of his abilities to make a cursed object from himself and take over another human body using it, that's just beyond comprehension, a massive plot armour, a violation to the flaw of stories. If yall can punch a toddler to prove Gojo is the strongest, yall would do it in a heartbeat. that how down bad gojo fans are these days 😂
Then so does Gojo. Your calling the goat who was gifted with strength from the ancestors Sukuna defeated, not with his sheer training. If this does not called plot then what is this could you tell me?
People did not understand the sarcasm lol
Many people say that gojo trained hard to master limitless cursed technique.
But if any other character with a normal CT ever did as much as training as gojo and struggled like gojo and then dying and coming back, he would never obtain power like gojo because in the world of jjk only inherited power matters.
I am not defending gojo or sukuna.
But the jjk universe never gave anyone equal opportunities or potential.
So, if sukuna took 10S technique by force, it is not unfair or cheating because the jjk world is just too unfair.
And sukuna countered it with his own ability to swap bodies.
"Sukuna would have still won without 10S" - SATOURU GOJO
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sukuna shown us his intellect in a fight with a technique that isnt his, Gojo showed us that his power out put of his techniques is quite literally the strongest we have seen compared to other sorcerers. They are both goats in there own rights
Gege messed up by not adding a motive for Sukunas actions and why he won with mahoraga instead of going at it in his heian era form.
If Sukuna beat Gojo without needing a blueprint from mahoraga on how to do it,it wouldve been ok, its like going into a game of cards and ur friend is behind ur opponent directing u on which card he has in order to win. Its plain cheating.
To achieve the ten shadows, Sukuna had to pull out his pact with yuji which was already a scummy pact and feed megumi a finger from his body. Afterwards sinking his soul deeper into despair so that he would have full control over his body. He may be a fraud because unlike Satoru Gojo who was born with six eyes and the limitless technique. Sukuna took megumis body and megumis technique which he was born with.
The clan heads of the Zenin and the Gojo clan in the past used Gojos and Megumis technique. Worst of all it was now in the hands of the King of Curses meaning this technique alone was enough to kill Gojo without Sukunas abilities, so when Gojo started off the battle by amplifying hollow purple. It was attempt to leveled the playing field.
Lastly, it is very poor writing from Gege when Satoru Gojo says that in the fight between them, Ryomen Sukuna was holding back. The fight does not show and does not indicate anything of the sort besides when Gojo asks himself why Sukuna hasnt released mahiraga yet. Gege writing Gojo saying that he wouldn't beat him even without the ten shadows is absurd and it was clearly indicated the entire fight when mahoraga was adapting to infinity in order to show sukuna how to kill Gojo but thats just my take
Gojo fans really mad cause Sukuna beat Gojo while holding back
I think some of the main reasons why sukuna is such a threat are his intelligence that combined with his hunger for combat which I speculate is how he got so strong and why he is so dangerous.
And one of the most important dialog that gets ignored in this topic its that, early in the fight when they are having the domain battle, Gojo points out that Sukuna its taking the riskier options and not using 10 shadows along side malevolent shrine, implying that he's not going all out, and gojo himself find that weird cuz he was expecting it in a way.
Cause Gojo didn't know that Sukuna was actually using Mahoraga. In chapter 230, Sukuna says that he had Megumi adapt to UV all 5 times and thus couldn't use any CT other than the one imbued in his domain.
@@absolnate4538 He refrained from using the "open" technique too. Which we still don't know wtf its about? Sukuna also kept attacking the outside of the barrier when he could've attacked it from the inside when Gojo strengthened the outer barrier.
@@absolnate4538probably wrong translation cause sukuna stated he couldn't use DA or his own ct when using 10s so aside from the aside from the 2nd domain clash where sukuna did use DA sukuna had megumi adapt to UV for a total of 4 domain clashes
@@Goatkuna236 No he can't use his CT but he can use the domain. As he does when the wheel is active. He can also use the CT granted to his domain.
@@user-jf6hk6nb5c That wasn't my point
Mahoraga was actually a teacher for sukuna instead of a 2 v 1 advantage. He would've never found a way around infinity besides spamming domain expansion which isn't the best plan.
In his Heian Form DE would've been the best plan for Sukuna to beat Gojo
i mean it’s definitely his best plan if he start throwing nets of dismantles at the inside of Gojo’s barriers, he just has to collapse 5 of Gojo’s barriers before he gets brain damage and can’t keep opening domain. i think that’s doable if he’s actually focused on killing Gojo during the domain clashes and not just being a punching bag for adaptation
He could always destroy the barrier from the inside, so its not like it mattered. He purposefully stalled the domains to make sure Mahoraga adapted to it
Heian Era Sukuna would've won during the DE clash. Plus, if u have Sukuna with the Cursed Tools that he had from the Heian Era with him (the Kamutoke and the Hiten), then Gojo would've been pressed as they r not CTs and Domain Amplification would not stop Sukuna from using those Cursed Tools effectively
@@BAEHELPJAYDOhad it been a more efficient way he would have gone with that strategy ...
Sukuna was holding back so he couldn't land a blackflash.
Also Sukuna can destroy Gojo domain from the inside even in his Meguna form. He doesn't need a world slash dismantle to do that.
He can’t destroy gojos mini domain though
He can't, he needs his domain but if he gets caught in gojos is GG, we saw that
facts, but most ppl didn't cared about that statement from Gojo and just continued 2 ride his meat🤦♂
@@miftahuljannat3050 he can destroy Gojo tiny domain from the inside.
Gojo tiny domain is weak from the inside and strong from the outside.
There is no reason why Sukuna cannot destroy it from the inside
@@davidgancho2914 he can destroy Gojo tiny domain from the inside.
Gojo tiny domain is weak from the inside and strong from the outside.
There is no reason why Sukuna cannot destroy it from the inside
Cap title, Fraudkuna fears Jogoat 🥱🥱
"Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong"
Jogoat:stand disappointed you are weak Sukuna
Yes, same Fraudgo that got no-diffed by a weaker Sukuna
Fraudgo was fighting for his life while goatkuna life was good , he didn’t need his strongest form to fight he planned it from the start so nobody is fwh
Bruh these jogoat fans need to stop
A lot of people like to also ignore that when Sukuna started considering Megumi a prospect for a future body all the way in season 1 he didn’t know about Mahoraga. He knew about the ten shadows sure but he didn’t know about him. We can assume by this that Sukuna had some OTHER plan that involved ten shadows to defeat Gojo(because we all know that man is petty was was definitely already thinking on Gojo’s downfall lmao). Mahoraga was just a nice surprise and bonus that probably just made whatever plan he had originally 100 times easier in my opinion.
Also I’ve seen a lot of people say the only reason Sukuna won is because Gege himself doesn’t really like Gojo. Which I feel like is kinda dumb tbh 💀 Gege liked Nanami too and his ass is dead so now what? 😭
Sukuna’s the GOAT. He’s so resourceful, people who call him fraudkuna are dead wrong
Exactly he’s best character in the series at this point I only care for him and uraume and a little yuta dazzle dazzle
Yea.. The title should be SukunaKaisen
Why hiean sukuna low mid diff's fraudjo, adressing some of the discourse...
1.“Sukuna almost killed by UV and hot saved by mahoraga🤓"
Reasons why this argument is invalid is because if sukuna wanted he could have easily avoided the entire situation.Chp 228 Gojo states sukuna had the option to destroy UV from inside when gojo flipped the internal and external conditions of his domain,but sukuna intentionally chose a riskier option.
Secondly sukuna couldn't use either DA or his own ct during the 3 min domain clashes so he was practically fighting on just ce reinforcement while gojo could use everything he has.
Megumi taking hits from UV was irrelevant to sukuna as he himself was never getting hit and megumi never took the damage for sukuna.This is stated in chp 230 when narrator states both MS and UV sure hit effect canceled each other out but since UV hits everyone that isn't gojo or touching him amd megumi and sukuna coexisted in the same body megumi took the damage, sukuna perfectly placed the wheel during that time.
2.“Sukuna would never get past infinity without mahroaga🤓"
Another garbo arguement which needed to be addressed.Sukuna simply doesn't have to get by infinity to kill gojo he could have easily won the domain clashes if he wanted to.
The reason why sukuna even got hit by UV in the first place was cause he was damaged inside the 3 min domain fight which wouldn't be possible without him not using DA.Sukuna if never used the wheel could simply destroy the domain quicker according to gojo statement and end the fight early.
3.“If sukuna could have won with any other method he would used that and not try get past infinity🤓"
No shi* bro read the manga, chp 230 when sukuna thinks he had a guaranteed dub over gojo still says he will enclose the barrier of his domain so gojo couldn't escape and adapt to his infinfiin the meantimeWhy do yout think he will say he will adapt to infinity when domains provide sure hit?Its was always his first priority to adapt to infinity first then kill him
Will continue later my charging is low
Garbage argument...all speculations mate 😂
If Sukuna could have killed Gojo without Mahoraga and end the the fight early...he would have! Hell! He tried! Gojo tanked his domain!
@@osas2kul That's why reading comprehension is important, I have addressed ur argument in my third point
🙄 At the first domain clash when Gojo lost...his CT was burned out and infinity was down. Sukuna was thinking of adapting to nothing as there was nothing to adapt to... he was going for kill shots...hell! He went for Gojo's neck the very first slash!😒 But Gojo tanked it and even bested him in his domain.
@@osas2kul prison realm anyone? Strip to of your scales anyone? Adaptation is different from bypassing. Sukuna fought with the first one in mind
@@Owen-sx4jj Your point?😐
Sukuna was like one- maybe two steps ahead considering he was playing such a strong long game that he had gojo wondering why he was taking the hard way out
Sukuna with his Heian era form would have definitely given the 0.01 of using the 5th domain expansion. Chapter 238 literally describes that even if Sukuna doesn't have infinite CE, his usage of CT output would be infinite since it cannot strain his body because of having two mouths which narrator also indirectly describes how Sukuna would have won specially in the domain battle. while Gojo had unlimited CE he could not have used unlimited CT usage let alone DE which is proved since there is a limit in his brain while Sukuna can spam any CT even the DE as long as he has CE
My general opinion is that Sukuna had a well thought out plan regarding bypassing infinity since Shibuya and deserves the credit for it. Theres a certain element of reverse plot armour in Gojo having to die and the existence of Mahoraga clearly existence as a narrative device for that to happen but in-universe Gojo had a fight against the *current* Sukuna and definitevely lost. Take away all of Sukunas current "extra" tools compared to Heian era with 10S and the body regen and id favour Gojo (ofc depending on what Sukunas actual CT is but if there is a win condition more reliable than 10S there id honestly think it would cheapen Sukuna winning through his long term plan), but the fact is that Sukuna did have those things. If Yuji isnt above jumping antagonists in a 2v1 then i really dont see why people seem to require for the arguably main villain to stick to some strict code of honour and do whatever they need to in order to win. As for a rematch or just evaluating post Gojo Sukuna in general, it isnt even a contest. He is now able to completely bypass infinity independantly of 10S; hes got the original fights win condition right from the very beginning.
On the other hand all the "Gojo fraud" people who want to act like Sukuna simply 1 shot Gojo arent valid either. Fact of the matter is that Sukuna was put in very bad situations that could have been his downfall if the timing of things with Mahoraga didnt work out. The whole situation at the end of thing fight also makes me think that the final adaptation was also a pretty close call unless Sukuna was just not using it by choice even when he caught on to Gojo using purple for whatever reason (or perhaps didnt want to reveal he had it whilst Gojo was in the zone/high of black flash and thus probably harder to hit than one who thought he had won). As for the black flashes, whilst ofc thats luck for Gojo, i do think that Gojo being a nightmare for Sukuna to hit due to infinity and Gojo having far more targets to hit means that it was far far easier for Gojo to be in a situation where he gets black flash off. Whilst the story seems to suggest Sukuna is holding back on body regeneration and whatever else he could be hiding for the sake of having a trump card after Gojo, from his perspective i think not using those things to make the fight much easier seems pretty stupid as the risky situations Gojo put him just dont seem worth whatever advantage having a hidden trump card can give him against the rest of the cast/fodder if we ignore the elephant in the room of plot armour.
Based. Its true that Sukuna would have won in his heian era form but not before Gojo is done shoving a bunch hollow purples up his ass. Gojo is no pushover and Sukuna even acknowledged that even if he beat Gojo without using everything in his arsenal. He knows he would take a similar beating in his heian form if they fought.
I was calling it from the jump, Sukuna only had to get past infinity
LMAO uhhhh you can say that for anyone’s CT. Its apart of what makes them strong LMAO “I just gotta do ___ to win” 😂
@@LiberianLion "I need to get past Amber to win" *gets fried by no Amber CE lightning*
@@LiberianLion what? See this is “You read the comment but don’t pay attention to the show.” Moment, Sukuna always had the power to straight up kill Gojo, but the only problem he had was infinity. Tighten up
@@BlaxkSun Infinity is the best defense to ever exist. So to say “just had to” means you’re downplaying it. It’s literally the reason why Sukuna tells Jogo “I’ll kill every human is Shibuya except one.” BECAUSE HE NEEDED MEGUMI ALIVE TO TAKE HIS CT FOR HIS OWN. He had no way past Infinity and Gojo was skilled enough to deal with his domain and cleave/dismantle to where he needed an stronger and more decisive attack to beat Gojo, See I read and got good comprehension buddy.
While this is true, I would omit the world 'only' Gojo had the upper hand, with his own powers for most of the fight, CQC, strategy he was meeting and even surpassing Sukuna in all these aspects.
Yall act like infinity was the only thing that allowed Gojo to be the strongest. This is false. He was the strongest because all of his abilities were far beyond everyone else. His cursed energy use, speed, etc. were all on another level.
Infinity was just a very op icing on the cake.
If Sukuna was in his OG form or Yuji's body, Gojo would have clapped his cheeks.
Heinera sukuna gets 120% power which no longer makes gojo and his domain no longer equal and sukuna wins and he probably has another ct too
What makes you think that? It's not stated anywhere he gets more power from reincarnating and there's been nothing shown that you can amp DE with chants so their DE would still be equal
@@JoshuaHenderson47 bro literally it saids every attack is amped by chants and handsigns just search it up
@@JoshuaHenderson47 even if that was the case you could use the same argument is there anywhere stating that hand-signs and chants don’t buff your DE also it saids it buffs all techniques if that’s true then also DE because it’s a technique
Chants and hand seals increase the potency of jujutsu. Domain expansion is still just jujutsu
No but it’s the fact after talking all that shit in yujis body he had to switch to fight gojo
How else would he use shadows
the easiest way to sum this up is that, meguna specifically came into the fight wanting to strip gojos scales, if a hypothetical heian era sukuna fought gojo with his original tools and did not come into the fight wanting to strip gojos scales
then sukuna wouldve made that 0.01 difference in that initial gojo UV hit, the context proves this too, the reason gojo hit that UV by 0.01 seconds stemmed from Sukuna having to heal with RCT but heian era sukuna wouldve been far stronger in h2h combat so gojo wouldnt have got that hit on him
then they would’ve domain clashed again but sukuna would’ve indefinitely won
the only copium against this one statement from meguna post bath where he refers to his true form and says its not the best to fight sorcerers but this can be interpreted in many ways, for example sukuna is aware of his overwhelming strength and thinks that he doesnt want to just outright beat gojo
theres also us knowing his goal was always to strip gojos scale and himself adapt to infinity not just mahoraga
as a bias sukuna fan for months, bias aside, sukuna is still the strongest
Finally someone who thinks. That 0.01 difference wouldn’t have happened if sukuna had his hein era body
Also he has two arms and a mouth so he can do things faster now and use domains while simultaneously fighting Gojo.
It's simple math
Remember when gojo fans said his og form is just a skin with no benefits 😭😭😭
you cant be a fraud if you never claimed to be the strongest. all he wants is to get stronger.
The statement gojo made was referring to how sukuna couldn't give it his all because of gojos infinity limiting sukuna to only be able to use megumis abilities and not his own. An example is how he only used his domain because it was a sure hit that bypassed infinity
Nice headcanon.
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wdym by that its literaly never been explicitly stated what gojo meant when he said sukuna was holding back due to how many statements and pannels gege had made contradicting it previously making it hard tto take it at face value.
at this point no matter what you think gojo meant its head canon seeing as gege is probably never planning to explain .
Thank you so much its nice to see people analyze this battle properly and read between the lines of what happened and how it happened because to many people see and take things at face value or completely misunderstood what happened and glad you did not
Finally a Sukuna video. He deserves respect 👍. I like your take as it is non biased.
I see you on all the videos 😂😂😂! SUKUNATION💯💯💯😝, next let's pack yuji and Gege 😂
Always rooting for him. Not cus i liked him but i wanted Go/jo fans to cry
Out of both frauds, I wanted sukuna to win
Same
Same lmao
Question; how is sukuna taking over Megumi as a cursed object and using his techniques and soul for his own benefit any less fraudulent than him simply having the ability to copy cursed techniques? Also it was a little unclear when you explained it, but how is ten shadows now sukuna’s technique? Did he not gain it from having access to Megumi’s soul, and is using it through that?
I don’t see what you don’t understand from the video. I literally addressed this question in the video.
Yes, he gained it by stealing it from Megumi and then used it FAR better than Megumi ever could and mastered it.
Someone made an interesting point. This fight was essentially a boss fight you were never suppose to win but did and the cutscene after you lost.
This is a very weird one to discuss cause gojo as well mentioned that he wanted to bring sukuna close to death and not outright kill him after he won the final domain clash. Its seeming implied that for a least a portion that he wasnt tryna kill sukuna. This is also why gojo was adamant on forcing domain clashes otherwise he could have just teleported out of sukunas effective range. As he wouldn't have the burden of trying to save his son, nor worry about giving himself brain damage.
That and gojos statement at the end led me to believe that this would actually be a very close fight. Im only saying this cause of all the people who think the fight would be as simple as sukuna opens 1 domain and gojo dies.
But Gojo also stated at the beginning of their fight that fighting Megumi's body does not hinder him from killing Sukuna at all and that he will go all out on Sukuna specifically because it's Megumi's body.
He couldn't teleport out of Sukuna's range because his CT was burnt out. Destroying the Shrine was better than teleporting away.
@@khanareeb9725 if he doesn’t force domain struggles in the first place then he should be able to get away via teleporting is what I’m saying
@@AllBladesCut yes but then that would be retreating, no? That would just be a stalemate where neither party is even getting close enough to fight.
The reason Gojo forced Domain clashes is because he didn't realize his limit is 5 DEs at a time. That fact shouldn't change. We can say that is a solution in hindsight but its actually very unlikely to happen in a revision of this fight because Gojo doesn't know his limits and thus would always choose to partake in domain clashes.
@@AllBladesCut Sukuna directly mentions midway through this fight that he can close off the barriers for his domain. That's all it would take to prevent Gojo from teleporting out. Gojo being a six eyes user likely knows this.
The sakuna fraud memes are hilarious icl😂
They always had a certain spice that makes it very funny. Some of the Gojo memes are funny but some are just rip-off.
gojo got cut in half literally 🤣🤣🤣
People also seem to like forget that he didnt use his lightning weapon or his much better 4 armed form vs gojo which fully heals him cause he was holding back for further fights. If he used his lightning weapon or his 4 armed form in the first half gojo would have just died during the period where gojo lacked his CT and would have gotten destroyed by catching a lot of hands and he wouldnt have failed the domain clash by 0.01 secs since he would have had hands free. People also kinda forget that gojo started the fight with a sneak attack 200% hollow purple and needed multiple black flashes to have a chance at the end
Utahime only gave gojo a 20% boost in hollow purple gojo AMPED it up another 80% with hand signs, movements, and chants and gojo using black flashes to have a chance to win a fight isnt a fault for him cuz we don’t do it too yuji so don’t do it too gojo.
@@seanbrown7083 he only was able to cause another dude hid it so it could be a sneak attack. Or else it would get easilly dodged at that range by sukuna
Literally I’ve been screaming this entire video for months. THAAAAAANK YOU BROKU GOD
Kingkuna was never a fraud, only halfjo grazers genuinely say that
Lol first two comments already saying "cap", gojo glazers gotta calm down, and so do sukuna glazers, both are goated and enjoy the story
I think a little evidence on Sukuna does hold back when fighting strong opponents is his battle with Jogo in shibuya, the entire fight he just uses his default technique which are cleave and dismantle then he choosed to fight him with Jogos forte just to see who's better at wielding flames he didn't even used his domain even though Jogo himself said he will surely win in Domain clash. This just proves that Sukuna doesn't always choose the easiest route to win, he likes to challenge himself as well.
Most of the reason Gojo had an upper hand at any part of the fight was hand to hand combat, which he was better at than Meguna, but if it was Heian Sukuna it would be the other way around, since he would have way more experience fighting with 4 arms and would have a + in str too. If since the beginning it was Heian Sukuna, Gojo would have lost in the domain clash, because he wouldn't be able to beat Sukuna in hand to hand...
Honestly, Imma stick to the idea that Gojo only said what he did because he was already dead by the time that Sukuna explained his spatial Dismantle, so he likely thought it was just something he _always_ had in his back pocket. Because it's very obvious that Sukuna needed to blueprint off of Mahoraga so he could get the space slash and cut Infinity, which therefore means he ultimately needed the Ten Shadows to beat Gojo like he did. Still though, him being able to do stuff like that, and doing other highly unconventional things with a cursed technique that he basically _just got_ both against Yorozu and against Gojo, shows just how insane Sukuna is as a character. Put bro in any other verse, with access to its power systems, and he's easily figuring out and _improving upon_ the strongest techniques in that other verse.
And on another side of the discussion, it's not like Gojo also didn't have extra unconventional shenanigans going in his favor. Aside from the 200% Hollow Purple at the start, Gojo's time in the Prison Realm _massively_ improved his understanding of barriers, domains, and pocket dimensions in general. We see this with him turning the outside of Unlimited Void into a dimensional basketball. It's very likely that the only reason Gojo didn't lose and die on the first domain clash is because Kenjaku inadvertently let him refine his domain by putting him in the Prison Realm, which works in basically the same way as an enclosed Domain Expansion when you really think about it. So while Sukuna needed extra shit he didn't originally have access to for the rematch, so did Gojo.
He didn't need maho to beat gojo. Pay attention. He needed maho to beat infinity in other words he wanted to beat gojo with infinity. He already showed domain expansion and amp can kill him and bypass just fine. But it's not about just killing gojo, that's the easy part
saying he didnt need maho is crazy, with maho he doesnt learn the dimension slash @@Owen-sx4jj
@@Owen-sx4jj saying that's the easy part when gojo found a counter to his domain and was dominant in h2h is laughable lol, especially when sukuna's original plan for winning was thwarted by Gojo (namely adapting mahoraga to UV so gojo couldn't use it anymore, and then killing him with a closed barrier domain) Sukuna then gets nervous at some point of the fight lol.. Sukuna was stronger ofc, but Gojo gave him a high diff fight lol
@@blazeentertainmen100for sure, I myself are a Sukuna Fan but i gotta admit that gojo is at least 95% of what Sukuna is when speaking about strenght. Sukuna had a tough fight and almost lost alot of times. He had a plan and wanted to bypass infinity? Yeah, but u can argue that at the start of the fight to the middle of It gojo was trying to save megumi not kill Sukuna too so yeah, both of them gave each other a hard time and both of them would have Lost if not for some specific conditions
@@Owen-sx4jjBrain dead wrong take from multiple people needed to stretch headcanon feats.
Gojo died to this fraud for the simple reason of: Gege meatriding sukuna.
Now sukuna is getting his cheeks black flashed
@13:46 only the 1st domain clash Gojo's domain was weaker from the outside. The rest 4 domains of Gojo had the internal and external conditions mixed. So Sukuna could have broken Gojo's domain from the inside way faster than outside buy chose the risker option.
Sukuna used domain amplification on his body like armour but he activated his CT through domain expansion like a fortress attack.
Sukuna used everything in order to win against gojo, also if using the power of your host makes you a fraud so is cell, majin bu and many other, would have been dumber if he only used his power
Jogoat negs all you stated 🥱.
how did Sukuna use everything when he didn’t use his open ability, true form or cursed tool?
@@anthonylee5541 i think he didn't use It because he needed the ten Shadows to win against Gojo, we don't know if by fully reincanating he could use them, probably this Is the reason, he needed megumi to withstand mahoraga adaption and doubt the coursed tool would do anything to infinity unless he has the Spear of heaven
And if sukuna reincarnated against Gojo thus killing meguni he would have Lost a a bargain chip against gojo
@@Mustache99 there are multiple times in this fight where Gojo has his infinity down where the cursed tool would be super effective, like say early on when your fave couldn’t win a domain clash to save his life and kept having his CT burnt out. what does he do then when Sukuna starts throwing lightning at him lol? or starts using the cursed tool to break the inside of Gojo’s barriers. not to mention, Gojo’s entires strategy during the domain clashes relied on him being able to beat Sukuna in hand to hand to do enough damage to make his barriers collapse. he’s not doing that to true form Sukuna who has more hands for combat and has a physical stat increase, AND can constantly be chanting to restore his CE output. i doubt his open would be that useful tbh, but the other two are definitely significant ways he held back against Gojo and you’re lying to yourself if you think they aren’t lol.
@@Mustache99something interesting is that gojo had no problem hitting megumi cuz he looked alot like toji and he would win with de
I guess ppl forget how in the middle of the fight they even started Sukuna likes to see what his opponents are truly capable of before replying in kind. Ppl forget JJK is kinda based on information heck even Gojo said that he doesn't think he would be able to beat Sukuna with out Megumi's CT
Even at the beginning of the fight Sukuna pretty much Tanked a 200% Hollow Purple 😂
Sukuna stated he's not trying as hard as gojo is..its also stated sukuna was holding back because he knew he had to fight more after gojo. The ppl crying butt hurt are gojo meat riders, not being able to handle the truth
I think what people don't understand is that Sukuna only saw the 10 Shadows shikigami as nothing more than tools for himself. While Megumi purposefully held back their strength because he was scared of them being destroyed, Sukuna did not care about them to that degree in the slightest. It's likely that Mahoraga's only purpose for Sukuna in the fight was to evolve and nothing more. If Mahoraga was exorcised after that point then it wouldn't matter much to Sukuna at all. Not like he needs a bodyguard when he can instantly kill sorcerers like Yorozu while he's just sitting down
The thing is, even if the Shikigami or Mahoraga was destroyed, Megumi could pass their abilities on to the next Shikigami. Imagine a Totality: Nue Merged Beast Agito with Mahoraga's properties. Shit is busted af. This circles back to what Sukuna said to Jogo. He should have simply burned everything. Megumi should not let these hold him back but should have risked it all. In the world of Jujutsu, you need to sacrifice things to become strong. Being afraid of this sacrifice is what holds everyone back. Megumi and Jogo had attachments and was scared of consequences while Gojo and Sukuna never were. Gojo practiced so hard in his teenage years after losing to Toji that he became ignorant of Geto's mental state. Geto is basically what he sacrificed in the pursuit of strength. That is the selfishness you need in order to become strong.
What do you think about this thery about sukuna, it can easily fail lol
1 have a crazy theory Sukuna, his ritual technique is cursed energy manipulation and does not cut as we have been told, the reason for this I think is because: first of all his domain expansion is called a cursed reliquary, not something like cooking or the sanctuary of cuts, it is a cursed reliquary, so you have to do with cursed energy and maybe not with cuts, also having this ability would give more meaning to the ability to manipulate energy at your fucking whim, which we already saw, and of course change ritual technique WHICH WE ALREADY SAW IN HIS FIGHT WITH JOGO... it's just a theory and can easily fail
Everybody forget that the biggest advantage that sukuna have in this fight it's not the ten shadows hand mahoraga but his knowledge about gojo abilities and that gojo don't know his domain
without that sukuna would probably lose the domain clashs and gojo will at last force him to use his reincarnation
Stop the cap, if Sukuna wanted to transform he could have done it when he called Gojo a fraud, Gojo's Six eyes will allow him analyze Sukuna's Ct in a instant, so factors of how his domain works doesn't matter. Gojo also proves my point by literally figuring out how to counter it in their 2nd domain clash.
on top of this Sukuna didn't fully understand how limitless worked, Gojo did a lot of things to catch him off guard and Gojo is a very adaptable individual.
Everything Gojo did in their domain clashes were thing only Gojo could do. reshaping your domain to match a bigger domain, restarting your CT after a domain clash(sukuna copied gojo) and spamming simple domains to use RCT to heal while in a slaughter house. NOBODY else has the technique or CE to match what Gojo just did against Sukuna.
Gojo had all the prep time to learn anything about Sukuna for a whole month or 2 and Sukuna the same. so i think it is disingenuous to say a lack of knowledge about the other played a big role in this fight
Gojo has the 6 eyes and there s info on sukuna
Stop the copium
Heian sukuna slams gojo
@@bulletdouglas7393gojo dosent know jack shit about sukuna 💀 while sukuna knows almaot everything about gojo 🤦♂️ so stop the cap
@miftahuljannat3050 you are telling me gojo is stupid enough not to learn anything about sukuna in that little break before their fight ???? Now that is some BS. He has the host for a lot of the information, and You have angel as well who lived while sukuna was alive and I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge sukuna has cleave and dismantle as his CT.
Domain expansion dont really matter cause usually once caught it is gg. But guess who doesn't apply to??? GOJO, he is literally the only one in the series that can walk in your domain like they are toji/maki with just a simple domain.
Guess what happened to sukuna when he got caught by gojo's domain? It was basically gg if mahoraga didn't exist.
Knowing what someone's DE is doesn't matter cause you already know you never want to be in it.
@@DelosLogicc What you are saying is head canon 🤦♂️ if gojo knew sukuna had an open domain he would have already been prepared for it, but when his domain broke, he was shocked.
The problem is what sukuna did was essentially copy mahoraga’s technique which completely invalidates copy as a ct and killed gojo by bypassing infinity which he also did in his domain but somehow pre amp gojo could hard rct those slashes but not black flash amped gojo. Plus sukuna did pull a lot of bull in the fight, the transferring of the unlimited void hit, the summoning mahoraga after being “knocked out” .I think Gege kinda dug himself in a hole when he established infinity and then had to give it 50 counters. Not to mention how purple instead of being an erasure ball was essentially turned into a bomb. I think if gojo was to come back he could mod infinity to identify those space slashes as a threat and counter it. But I know he had to die due to the plot. Best fight in anime
it doesn't invalidate copy as a ct, you only feel that it is does, but it does not. Copying a separate cursed technique - which is whjat copy as a ct - is not what sukuna did. If you think so, you need to go back and read it again. Sukuna saw that Mahoraga did something with a technical aspect of a cursed technique that Sukuna was already able to use, as the slash is part of his technique. It's like when someone some throw a baseball with a different form then you that works better so you change your form of throwing ot match it. Plus the switching of souls to bypass a sure hit is genius and makes sense bc if the sure hit hits the body and affects the soul, why can't sukuna switch the souls of a body he is in like he has with Yuji, but ofc we are not gonna see it until someone like sukuna pulls it off
14:20 Gojo's Black Flash caused this much damage. Imagine what Sukuna's Black Flash can do, oh dear lord 🥶🥶🥶
Hey man, I just wanna say I appreciate the subtitles
If kinda ironic that both Gojo and Sukuna fans are calling each other fraud and it's very funny.😂
Fraudjo the fraudulent one is a fraud because of these reasons:
1. He had the audacity to call himself the "honored one" after beating a guy who had no curse energy 😂🤡
2. He's "claimed" to be the "Strongest Sorcerer" of the modern era which doesn't say much considering the modern era is the WEAKEST era for Jujutsu sorcerers. He was just a big fish in a small pond.
3. The fact Toji(someone with NO curse energy) was able to no diff both Fraudjo and Geto(who were both supposed to be the strongest 2 sorcerers of the modern era) speak volumes on just how weak the modern era is.
4. Fraudjo claimed he was the strongest and would beat the King of Curses but deep down he was a Sukuna fanboy all along and wanted his senpai to notice him but died sad and pathetically because Sukuna never went all out vs him and was just toying with him 💀
5. Fraudjo even admitted that he was inferior and would've lost to Sukuna during the Heian era even without the ten shadow technique.
6. Fraudjo didn't fight anyone worthy throughout his career(until Sukuna ofcourse). He fought a bunch of fodder Curses, fodder sorcerers and a man with no curse energy who he lost to and died against 🤣🤣💀
Oh gosh
The word fraud has lost all its meaning.
Gojo should've won that fight no matter which way you spin it. He literally was at peak strength and knocked out Sukuna by amplifying blue with a black flash while also hitting red. Then he goes to hit a self-destruct hollow purple; somehow while his cursed energy at his weakest state, proceeds to one-shot Gojo who was stronger than when he got hit with his domain expansion. The only reason this could work is that this strong cleave was amped by chants but it was never shown. This is the part I don't get if you learned how to hit space itself, de-summon Maho, and use your technique before Gojo uses hollow purple. Unless Sukuna is stupid, there's no reasonable explanation. Also, Sukuna was literally screaming for maho against Gojo who had lost to a man without cursed energy and got donuted multiple times.
😂😂😂😂
Well said
If they calling sukuna a fraud for using megumi's technique then they also gotta call yuta a fraud for copying techniques too. And thats ON GOD
13:46 Near the end of chapter 228, Gojo already acknowledged that Sukuna on purpose went for the riskier option by refraining from attacking Gojo's domain from the inside, although he didn't know the reason why Sukuna was resorting to such an odd tactic (but us fans know it was because Sukuna was on purpose prolonging the domain clashes to get more exposure to Gojo's cursed energy, techniques, and domain surehit for Mahoraga to adapt faster, as he was holding the burden of Mahoraga's adaptation, the wheel was simply hidden in the shadows).
What I mean by this is that Gojo had to reverse the conditions of his domain's barrier so that his domain could withstand the surehit of Malevolent Shrine from the outside. Typically domain barriers are weak from the outside and extremely hard from the inside to keep the opponent trapped inside, so he switched the inner domain's durability with the outer domain's durability, which in theory should mean that his inner domain was at that time very fragile, and Gojo still didn't understand why Sukuna wasn't even targeting the inside of his domain to break it that way. @Br0ku
Exactly lol. If Sukuna opened his Domain with a barrier after Gojo switched his domain's parameters, it would still destroy Gojo's Domain. Sukuna could have done things safer but he went out of his way to get stronger. That's why this nigga is the goat.
The reason why sukuna was holding back was not because of him thinking long into the future but because he was saving something for the students who were trying to jump him after. Fighting Gojo with the ten shadows was the better option even though his original body is technically stronger, but if he were to have tried to fight Gojo with domain amplification there is no guarantee that he would’ve done better than fighting him with mahoraga.
I love gojo more than sukuna,but i ain't consider him a fraud,i consider him a great villian. Someone who we dont have to see as like "a broken antagonist" just a straight up villian willing to take powers from others for himself to win. He isn't a fraud,he is just smart when going into a battle. Even Toji did a similar thing getting a weapon able to bypass infinity plus draining gojo throughout a few days so he would have an advantage. And i don't see anyone calling Toji a fraud
Everyone just forgot that gojo own attack bypassed infinity and gojo hurt himself that gave some idea to sukuna and he figured that if the attack was not aimed at gojo it can bypass infinity and he focused his attack on something else like the world behind gojo
It's really simple the infinity only works if gojo was the target otherwise he wouldn't get DMG from his own hollow purple
Sukuna:put on the work for a 1000 years to train and steal the power he needs🗿
Gojo:just happens to be born with the best power🤦♂️
The only thing i would disagree with is that Sukuna was at 10 percent when fighting Maki and Yuji. His cruse energy output was at 10 percent, his physical capabilities was at a 100 percent against them. He wasnt able to use cleave or dissmantle against them and the 10 shadows.
In the worst case it was 10%, no it was 10% of his strength.
But isn't the physical body strengthened using CE? Or does it happen automatically and depends on how much CE the soul has?
U are wrong
He could move fine
That means unlike in Yuji's take where yuji could take control if the body
Here he could move
But his physical abilities was nerfed to 10% as CE output affects CE reinforcement
CE reinforcement which is d reason behind the physical specs of socerers
CE reinforcement = CE output + skill in using it
Skill in using it is constant for sukuna back then but CE output dropped to 10% so
10% physical specs
I will say I finally caught up to the series And the fraud Can't be put on him If makes more sense to call gojo a Fraud He literally said nah I'd win
Have you seen the "nah I'd win" jogo memes😂😂👌
@@Owen-sx4jjyou mean JOGOAT🗿🗿🗿🗿
While I will defend Sukuna from the fraud allegations to my dying day, it will never not be hilarious to me when Sukuna was getting pressed by Gojo he basically shouted "MF ARE YOU JUST GONNA SIT THERE ALL DAY!?" at Mahoraga
Sukuna wasnt really using his CT at the same time as domain amplification, he had his malevolent shrine up which means it had his CT, so he can activate DA and have his DE use the cursed technique in his place
How is calling sukuna a fraud making gojo a fraud? He became a fraud relying on a majoraga that was much more amped than the one sukuna fought. That doesnt make gojo a fraud for losing it makes sukuna a fraud because he stated multiple times in his hein era that hed kill gojo but he clearly was wrong and relied on his non base power after saying his base would have killed. Also sukuna clearly doesnt have ten shadows, its still megumis because when sukuna got his cursed tool that turned him back to his hein era form, he would have done thay from the start if it didnt kill megumis body and eraticating ten shadows
Edit, wtf is the 200% hollow purple section that's so dumb, sukuna can also use rct to replenish his CE and he does this many times before he loses the domain battle WHAT LMAOOO😂😂😂, you're so biased it's crazy
Edit 2, what do you mean going into his hein form would rejuvenate his domain what in the head cannon is this bro I can't this is the stupidest thing I've seen. It's his hein BODY.
Edit 3, damn 3 edits and a comment of all the blatantly wrong stuff. Yes while gojo said that sukuna was holding back, that was clearly gege hyping him up. Not only do we have a statement from sukuna that he NEEDED mahoraga to kill gojo but sukuna almost died like 4 times and it was ultimately luck that he successfully adapted his targeting to space after the red and blue combined into purple and killed mahoraga. He failed the first time and if he failed the second he would be dead SO TELL ME WHY NARATIVLY HE WAS HOLDING BACK. You scale jjk charecters so high but they are realistically around Mach speeds from statements so don't give me the it's stated. You ignore the statements you don't like and accept the statements you do
Gojo became a fraud the moment he said he would win when Kenny asked him
Edit 4!!!! Wtf you on broku, why would sukuna hold back for the future battle with another six eyes user lmaoooooo 😂😂😂. They still have to grow up why would he wait, this is sukuna he can kill them as a kid. Also gojo states he's the last of the gojo clan you're just wrong on this one
Edit 5, goddammit broku wtf I normally respect your opinions but in the rematch section you have to realize that if gege were to revive gojo he'd have another awakening obviously. Current gojo couldn't beat sukuna obviously so why wouldn't you adress that gojo would do the exact thing that's happened when he almost died in the series and get a major Amp? Because you're so biased it's insane. Also the black flash didn't one shot but knocked him out? Mahoraga saved him. If sukuna didn't have ten shadows gojo would win 200% Mid diff or high. We saw how the domain battles went so how could anyone ever say that sukuna wins without daddy mahoraga carrying and letting sukuna copy
@@helmtk4562aight now adress everything here. Sukuna said he'd win in his hein form without mahoraga but that's clearly a lie
@@scottstaker6818 Looking at the fight if gojo was fighting hein era sukuna it would come down to if gojo can hit sukuna with UV and we saw against meguna gojo was only able to hit him with it cause sukuna was late by 0.01 sec. So I think we can agree that hein era is more durable than meguna so I think gojo won’t be able to physically dominate as badly as he did against meguna so gojo would ultimately lose due to burnout
I think the other reason why people call sukuna a fruad... is because he is implying he would easily beat gojo...
But obviously 1: that is banter. 2: gojo himself also stated this (maybe a lesser extent knowing his inner monologs/narrative)
Sukuna is basically a great planner... that's his ability overall..he use their ability just over an interaction...how impressive that actually is man.
jogoat beats sukuna
"Are you Jogo because you're the strongest or are you the strongest because you're Jogo"
Jogoat solos everyone
The whole meme started when Sukuna fans started saying 15 finger Sukuna would beat Gojo and Sukuna doesn't need Mahoraga to beat Gojo. But calling Sukuna a fraud for using Mahoraga is the same as people calling Gojo weak without infinity.
Would Sukuna have won without Maho? probably, probably not. "But Gojo said...", Gojo also said he would win.
"Sukuna was holding back". Sukuna had to hold back because nothing would work against infinity.
"Why didn't Sukuna use fire arrow and choose riskier options?" Because Sukuna was using Mahoraga the entire time as it was stated that Megumi took UV all 5 times.
Even if Sukuna were to use fire arrow, Gojo would still survive. Sukuna and Gojo are both durable than Mahoraga + Gojo was using RCT at max.
Sukuna cannot use his CT with his DA. When he uses DA with the wheel, the wheel turns black. But he can use his DE with Domain amplification. Cursed technique can be included in DA but that would prevent him from bypassing infinity.
sukuna in og body would win the 0.01 second uv thing would have never happened due to him being able to heal himself and use his ct at the same time and he would never get as damaged due to having 4 arms so gojo would have lost even in heian era form
You also forgot the narration in 230 which states Sukuna continued taking on Unlimited Void & shouldering Mahoraga's adaptation during the 5 domain clashes back to back, which means he came with a gameplan & started using Mahoraga to adapt to UV from chapter 225 itself.
Exactly why we see Sukuna not using cleave/dismantle & only throwing hands during those chapters as 10S was active so he couldn't use his slashes. The only slashes which diced Gojo came from imbued ones to Sukuna's domain's sure hit effect.
This means that while Gojo was throwing everything at his disposal frantically, coming up with new ideas, Sukuna simply stayed cool-headed & kept on using Mahoraga & Megumi all while also learning Gojo's new use side by side.
now that the anime episode came out of sukuna vs jogo we learn that sukuna doesnt reveal his curse technique i dont remeber if his real ct is revealed in the manga but if its not then this means he can be even stronger then he is rn since you get stronger when you tell those you are fighting on how your ct works
sukuna can not use domain amplification and his technique at the same time the reason it looked liked that was because he is not he center of his domain the shrine is what holds his technique thus allowing him to use domain amplification
The argument is that sukuna wouldn't have the time or the ability to figure out how to surpass limitless without mahoraga during the fight but forget that the hein era form can defeat gojo in domain clash.
Sukuna couldn't use his CT with Domain Amplification, his technique was imbued in his Domain expansion so that's why he could still use slashes. If he hasn't already got his domain open, he can't use the slashes whilst also using Domain Amplification
🔥 video Broku!
"Stand proud, you're strong"
- Goatjo to Fraudkuna
The only problem I have with the fight is why Gojo couldn’t heal. We watched him heal completely fine from Sukuna’s domain of endless slashes, so why is a slash outside of the domain *that* much different?
Bro it was the brain damage that made him incapable of using barrier techniques and reduced his RCT out put
@@ParthibSamanta-se4rj what I’m saying is we watched him heal from war more slashes in the domain than the one world cutting slash he got hit with, which unless it did something specially besides just managing to hit him, I don’t see why he couldn’t just heal. Also his output had been restored because of the black flashes he hit. Him activating domain is not a point I was attempting to make.
@@LRMorningstar brother do you realize that the domain slashes did into cut his body int o 2 fucking pieces? rct is not something that can revive your whole body magically. it applies to smaller organs like hands or a part of your stomach. not when you literally die. only exception to this i can see is hakari because of his infinite rct.
@@LRMorningstar simply put one of these attacks happened at the beginning of the fight and one of these attacks happened at the end.
When Gojo lost his arm, it had specifically stated that because RCT was running low and not working as efficiently as it did before.
How is Gojo going to heal this final slash? Is he going to grow a new bottom half of his body? Is he going to fuse the two halves together?
Either way it would take time and cursed energy he no longer has access to.
I really want to see a debate between a two expert jjk argue who is better
Gojo was actually the real fraud , he literally inherited all his powers and became an absolute powerhouse just because of his own bloodline , absolutely the last definition of hard work
huh? thats only imply to teen gojo
@@duyquangnguyen5443 yeah and what about adult gojo 😂 the only thing he hardworked for was simple domain
@@duyquangnguyen5443 Oh yeah let us not forget the plot against Toji that gave him god like powers out of nowhere. Wow he had to train so hard to achieve purple right? It is not like he got packed up and all of a sudden he unlocks purple and self healing. Crazy training, right? He trained with a pen after receiving plot armor. He is lazy af.
@@Ortium do we even read the same manga or youre just dumb 😭
@@neos.4587 hows that plot armor lmao? He learned by himself.
The thickest plot armor is when gojo didnt kill 15 f meguna
Sukuna the king of convenience be using binding vow like papers
Hows someone like yuki kenjaku gojo yuji etc dont even care to use it
Wow im early. Welp time to see all the people claiming they are first. Interesting video idea.
Literally the fanbase is like this:
Gojo winning: Booo! Sukuna's a fraud, can't even land a hit even with 10 Shadows.
Go/jo loses: Whaaattt? He only won because of 10 Shadows! That's not fair!!!
Man this video explanations is great and all the people in the comments who also give their own opinions on how sukuna wasn't being a "fraud" is problably the smartest jjk manga readers that i've seen in this past 2 months
13:02 Sukuna didn’t use his CT while he was using DA. Yes he had his domain open, but it’s literally stated that his CT was turned off in the domain. Sukuna only used his CT outside the barrier when he finally made contact with Gojo because he’d then be able to avoid the effects of UV without needing DA. That’s why he doesn’t break the barrier until after getting back to back with Gojo, he couldn’t use his CT as long as he was amplifying himself in h2h.
His CT was turned off due to his DA. Gojo's sure hit brain damage was nullified by Sukuna's Domain. UV could not harm him as long as his domain was up. The reason he used DA instead of his CT inside his Domain was to bypass Gojo's inviolability which was still active in their Domains. He wasn't worried about getting hit by UV as long as his Domain was up. DA was for Gojo's inviolability/infinity and not UV.
@@khanareeb9725Based on the fact that they gave a flashback of Kenjaku at that very moment explaining that the only ones effected by UV is Gojo and who’s touching him, you can infer that Sukuna is using domain amp to counter that. Inside Gojo’s domain, the entire space is infinity, not just the space around Gojo. And your statement is also kinda debunked by the fact that it’s literally shown in the manga that he only was using domain amp when he WAS NOT touching Gojo, he cut it off when he made contact him. Anytime someone is using domain amp, there’s an aura around them or whatever part of them that is about to touch Gojo (when he’s using the wheel the wheel just turns black) and the aura leaves when they cut it off. If he were using it just to counter infinity then when he cut off domain amp, he wouldn’t have been able to make contact with Gojo because infinity wouldn’t allow them to touch. Not to mention the fact that it’s stated their battle of domains is a battle of sure hits and it’s blatantly stated that Sukuna’s sure hit was turned off, so Gojo’s sure hit effect was the only one on inside the barrier. Gojo’s sure hit effect was no longer was in a tug a war with Sukuna’s inside the barrier because it was turned off. So inside the barrier, Gojo’s UV was the only technique being used so Sukuna used domain amp to counter that until he made contact with Gojo. Once he’s about to make contact, he cut it off and engages in hand to hand and activated his CT outside the barrier to break Gojo’s domain once he grabbed him and could maintain contact. It’s also stated domain amp is ANTI-DOMAIN TECHNIQUE. It’s literally used to counter domain expansions, it just so happens that it works on infinity as well because infinity is a domain of infinite space around Gojo. If he was using it just to bypass infinity, he wouldn’t be able to cut it off because he needs it to maintain contact with Gojo and that would make it impossible for him to use his CT while he’s back to back with Gojo.
Calling Sukuna a fraud for using mahoraga is much like calling Kenjaku a fraud for using literally any of his stolen techniques. Also Meguna is just as strong or maybe slightly weaker as Sukuna is in his main body.
This shouldn't have to be said, but there is a number of people who convinced themselves that the Fraudkuna memes were legit. None of the top characters who have fought in JJK are frauds... without the exception of Mahito who was exposed by Yuji.
Calling Sukuna a fraud for using mahoraga is much like calling Kenjaku a fraud for using literally any of his stolen techniques.
We making it outta of the Heian era with dis one 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I think if Sukuna fought gojo in yujis body and never saw ts then he would’ve just used his open technique right after he won the domain clash he could’ve just used he same fire arrow he used in shibuya
Also, the fact that sukuna didn’t use black box PROVES he was holding back