Upward Compression
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- In this tutorial, Dan Worrall explains the concept of upward compression, and shows various useful applications on full mixes, drums and guitar, using FabFilter's Pro-MB multiband compressor/expander.
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This video is what is lacking in every possible video on YT. Upward compression is extremely overlooked and underused, in tutorials and practice. I will watch this video at least 5 more time to process all the info, thank you so much. :)
Better to use Parallel compression. It behaves like upward, but doesnt maximize the noise.
@@TheCaysed It is quite different. The affected regions are not the same, different relations of peaks/lows, peaks/peaks and lows/lows change...
@@dimitrijevicveljko Quite right. Also, it's responding to signal below the threshold, this completely changes what the compression is responding to.
This topic was so mystical for me for years. Compression took me years to fully grasp as it was, but there's a distinct revelation moment when upwards/downwards compression/expansion finally makes sense - to the point where you can make an informed decision which you should use for a desired result.
Everything is better with Dan Worrall. I mean just listen to it, his voice is so pleasant, calm and clear, so easy to listen to and understand. He could narrate anything. Documentaries, porn, documentaries about porn. You name it.
Agree. Fabfilter, please release a Spoken Word album
Agreed
+BlackAera
Absolutely
For all you know his voice is horrible but uses a unreleased plugin called FABVOICE
Fapfilter
I'm gonna start watching a Dan Worrall video right before bedtime, you vocal legend
"Hi, I'm Dan Worrall" has a separate fan base.
wow these not just tutors you how to use your plugins, they also explain how compression and expansion work, the difference between them and how to use them.
props to fabfilter guys!!! there isn't a mix or a song i make without using at least one of your plugins. furthermore, i use your saturn plugin as an instrument in live situations. great stuff!!!
I automatically hit the like button when I see its a Dan Worrall tutorial!
I watch your tutorials just about every day to soak it all in.
I love this compressor !!!!
When you find yourself going MORE MORE MORE is when Dan says "that's all we've got time for in this video". Great vid, so glad I purchased the bundle including this one.
Oh My GOD why did I not watch this years ago. SMH. Thank you, Dan, for all of your thorough yet concise and clear tutorials.
Dan Worrall. World's best tutor.
I don't use any Fabfilter products, but the tuts are so on point that I have to sub
I thought I was a great producer, then my compression took a band to the knee
As usual fantastic. Keep up the good work Dan… You rock
Very artfully done. Excellent job. Thanks!
Always glad to see new videos
Crazy how much I learned from these free videos
This video gave me the great idea of slamming the shells and just limiting the cymbals transients with just one instance
We need more of that!! I actually searched for Microphone Manufacturers teaching how to record Vocals!!😁
"That's all I've got time for in this video" Nooooo!!!! I want more!!!! Haha. Learning so much from you Dave! Will have to get this bundle, looks like the best of the best!
Micahel Robson i
this trick is awesome to preserve the low end of the bass without it conflicting with the kick.
I've watched this video so many times, but every time I'm more enlightned. The over-compression that Dan explained is actually quite fantastic, it makes it easy to scale down the entire transient while maintaining its shape, which his virtually impossible in a traditional compressor. I have no idea how they've done it, without an explicit lookahead even. I think this is the same algo they use in Saturn/Timeless dynamics knobs.
I first saw this in the waves C1...although not multiband but it was early 90s...such a simple trick; Im pretty sure Inflator uses it but in a much more signature way
@@iam-music Sonnox inflator is a saturator and adds to the harmonic structure.
@@matthewjaggers3975 you missed point...it of course adds harmonics but that does not do any actual inflation...thats side feature and hard clip is not sweet...do you actually use it? The inflation is by upward compression. Its worth having a look at plugin doctor which illustrates the curvres really well and of course the manual explains it well. Ive been using it since 2006 i think...still on my powercore card. Its a great tool but i dont use on anything >5k bevause of aliasing
@@iam-music Id have to see that to believe it. You're talking about the Sonnox Oxford Inflator?
@@matthewjaggers3975 yep...see for yourself. Its good for low mids harmonics buy a hg2 is better for wideband/hf
DAN the JEDI of AUDIO
FabFilter's Pro-MB multiband compressor/expander is a game changer!
this tutorial is absolute gold
Excellent video again Dan...!!!
i've ever been this confused , love it
The problem with the Pro MB (which I hadn't realised until i watched this) is the fact that the Pro MB automatically scales the ratio with the range - this becomes a bit of a problem if you want to bring out some low-level detail in a subtle way without over compressing - in mastering for example.
I’ve been trying to replace Waves vocal rider with Pro MB for a handful of weeks now and I’ve been able to get things working pretty subtly on a podcast I mix. Different animal than Vocal Rider, but I can get it pretty close and maintain the subtlety. Adjusting the knee is super helpful to keep things transparent.
@@suspendedsound thanks, I've been looking to replace all my waves habits so I'll play with that... Rvox is the other one that's just so simple, fast and easy... it's a crack compressor, and I cant quit it with my UA/fabfilter. Open to suggestions...😆
Always the best videos for mixing education. Thank you Fabfilter
Didn't know it was possible to do up & down comp, on the same machine, at the same time, that'll come in handy. Cheers.
you are sthe fukking best engeneeers ive ever seen. not to get the things really sound good, the explanation is Perfect!
Multiband compressors are cool and underrated.
I wish that video explained when over-compressing is something you would want to choose over different processing type. Dan did show a few cases where over-compressing could be useful but it's not clear if it would actually better than not over-compressing. I personally fail to see in what cases you would want a dip in the transfer curve since it can significantly change the groove in way that I would suspect to be non-musical. When is it a good thing that a signal a bit louder than the threshold gets quieter than the threshold while a signal that is much louder will stil be louder? I would really appreciate some general guiding principles on when to reach for this technique.
This is so cool and useful plugin !! 🔥🔥
Upward com0reasion is great for people who listen to tunes high. It's like standing in a room and the sounds are all around you.
Can you explain why hard knee settings on an upward compressor makes the signal quieter above the threshold?
Very helpful
As always amazing tut
Hi. To this day I don't understand the overcompression bit. How does switching from 2:1 to 5:1 produce this inverted curve ? Why isn't the curve flat then dips, and instead rises then dips ?
Hey Dan, I have a question that I can't really figure out the answer to. Thought if you had the time, you could definitely give me a correct answer as I can't find anything concrete online: How do the the attack/release parameters shape the sound of the part of the signal thats above the threshold while using upward compression? While I can hear what's happening sonically to a degree, I can't really conceptualize whats going on. My issue is that if I set the threshold so that say, the kick and snare on a drum buss are above the threshold, any changes to the attack/release seem to still affect their envelopes. This conflicts with my understanding of upward compression, being that they should be left relatively untouched at they sit above the threshold, or is this incorrect? Any light shed on this topic would be greatly appreciated :)
never stop
thanks so much for these educational videos!
Brilliant video ! Thank you sir
spectacular. thank you for the content!
thanks
Totally worth my kidney 👍👍😂
gotta love dan the man
I’m fairly new to all this and I find compression completely baffling. These tutorials are the best for me , I like the pace. Some other tutorials rattle by so quickly like they expect you to know certain things which if I did I wouldn’t be watching it in the first place.
I’ve just one question,,,how do you know where to set the threshold ? What do you look and listen for when making your decision? This is the most confusing part for me.
Many thanks.
As someone who went through the same process, I'd recommend watching all the other compression tutorials in their channel and many times over. As for setting the threshold, a good instinct is to recognize the different dynamics in your track and isolate the one's you don't want to be process by the compressor, then set the threshold right above it. With Pro-C it's really easy to see because of the waveform they show you in the background, in Pro-MB you gotta keep an eye on the level meter in the threshold knob. Of course, it all depends on what you're trying to do.
Short answer is, use your ears.
better than presents!
Awesome !
Whats the song used I love it
VST analyser ?
Confuses me why mixing/mastering channels have such loud music in the background while they’re talking. It’s really distracting :( Useful info though, so thank you.
Epic
Yeah ion get it 😅
I know this is old, and I'm sure Dan wouldn't make this mistake today, but a compressor changes dynamics, not dynamic range.
KSHMR bought me here
Super confusing...I swear nobody really understands expanders and expansion....they get lost in trying to sum it up and they obliterate everything truthful we learn about it while re-enforcing some vague summary that isnt fully true. All the terms get twisted and tied together like a guy using the word "record" to explain a single, an album, and a vinyl disc yet expecting you to know exactly what hes referring to.
Ive heard upward expanders, expanders, and compression used in so many ways concerning each other and nobody seems to be able to truly prove that they understand it enough to explain it to someone who doesnt understand them in relation to each other.
+QuabmasM I've been recording for 30 years & I still can't wrap my head around Upward Compression & Expanders…
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What you just said can be misinterpreted dozens of ways which is exactly why its confusing when one is lowering the volume and the other isnt. I mean i know the math is simple but the concept isnt simple to receive with English wording especially the way people "half explain it" or "over explain it" in ways where either way normal folk dont "get it".
It's simple:
Downwards compression = loud sounds get made quieter
Upwards compression = quiet sounds get made louder
Upwards expansion = loud sounds get made louder
Downwards expansion = quiet sounds get made quieter
(All according to where you set the threshold of course)
That's a great way to put it, Johnjohntv 69 ... I'll add:
Compression pushes the signal toward the threshold.
Expansion pushes the signal away from the threshold.
great explanation! Another set of concepts I found useful to keep them organized in my head.
Dynamic Range = the difference between the loud and quiet sections of a piece of audio.
Compressors (both upwards and downwards) = reduce/compress the dynamic range.
Expanders (both upwards and downwards) = increase/expand the dynamic range
Most confusing video ever. Too fast to explain a new concept.
I hate this tutorial. The constant loud music is too distracting, the presenter sounds robotic and inarticulate, and he moves too fast from point to point. Looks more like a commercial than a tutorial... which I suppose it is.
you can just...pause the video. Or...just rewind.