COURTROOM INSIDER | Kay, Heather, Mom and more - a big day!
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Tonight on Courtroom Insider...a big day in the Chad Daybell trial. His mom takes the stand and so does his sister-in-law. She explains the family dynamics and how she tried to raise concerns. Plus Kay Woodcock and body cam footage! Join us.
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Tammy wasn't sick. She was depressed. She didn't need a doctor. She needed a therapist and a divorce attorney.
Indeed😅
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Yes, agreed.
And a raise! Her pay was pitiful. Our school employees should be paid better.
I agree
@Irish-T
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Oh yeah! That pay raise would have been absolutely perfect for her! That's the best comment I've ever read about this case! 😮
The fact that the wedding attire was purchased prior to Tammie passing is case closed
Yup and I loved how Kay made sure to say that even when Prior was objecting lol. She made sure to get that out!
Agreed.
@@ER-eu4ciheh heh heh
Kay was amazing! emphasizing "little things" for the jury haha loved it!
I agree though I keep saying that about each piece of evidence introduced. It’s all a red flashing, lit up arrow pointing guilty directly at Chad, Lori and Alex. Prior is fighting a losing battle.
Kay said “that was before Tammy’s murder”! lol way to throw that in… Kay is awesome!!
She knew what she was doing 😂 gotta make sure the jurors get their dates in check! I'm sure that was not allowed, but I can't say I'm upset haha
She cracked me up. Girl, get in that last word lol
If prior is gunna okay dirty then Kay should too lol
I heard her use the word “murder” several times and was like ‘good for you Kay’! She got a few digs in.
The comment that annoyed me most is JP saying repeatedly is “dug her up” instead of exhume 🤨
Working 35 hours a week for a school and only bringing home $16k a year should be criminal.
It’s an extremely small town. Cost of living is dirt cheap tho
That's Idaho! I got my Masters degree and fled to Oregon to make 5x the amount of money per hour than in Idaho. One of the poorest states in the nation! 7.25 minimum wage crap!
You can make more money working fast food
@@kateashby3066housing + fuel and heating/ state taxes are crazy high for cost of living.
@@kateashby3066And you can eat some terrific potatoes every day.
The nerve of Chad moving right next to his brother and then showing his brother's land to the members of his cult. He totally planned on using his brother's land as if it was his own! No wonder Heather was like get the f out of my life
Heather and Matt's home was about a mile and a half from CD
What a wacko
Especially since she or his brother were falling for his nonsense, the6 were labeled dark and therefore would be "expendable". Any life insurance on them?
He seemed to steal everything and present it as his own including Julie rowes crazy ideas.
Wow. It's amazing, the nerve of Chad! He can blithely ask his neighbor to sign his property over to a bail bondsman in order to free Lori, and ask Melanie G's boyfriend to purchase land for the 144,000 at the end times....this guy's ego is without bounds! Grandiosity plus plus!!!
For people who can’t quite figure out Chad’s character/personality, the last 2 days painted a clear picture of his true nature. Chad is the classic covert narcissist/sociopath who appears to be shy while also exhibiting a pattern of manipulating others, has grandiose sense of importance, and is entitled to special treatment from others, including their personal resources. Several people testified about how Chad tried to use them, such as the jaw-dropping request for church members to put up their home up for Lori’s $1 million bail! He also clearly believed he was entitled to his own brother’s family home/property for his “vision” of his role in leading the 144 thousand to camp on his brother’s property. To a person like Chad, he only sees someone in terms of how useful they can be to him. He also demonstrates a shocking lack of awareness that his demands/requests for other’s personal money and property is profoundly inappropriate. But, that is in a nutshell how character-disordered people present themselves.
That's my conclusion as well! So sad for everyone left in the debris, and have passed on.
Thanks for this information, I have lived with a person like that, totally cut out this person from my life.
Well said! He's such a taker. Explains why his demeanor and reactions are so inappropriate when in the police car talking to his daughter. Poor Tammy. No wonder she needed Flouxetine!
@@nikki7962Good for you 👍 as types like that only take.
Yup.
The way I screamed when I heard Chad say Tammy died because of weight gain.
When he is an oaf of a revolting degree
Right??? I gained 40 lbs in the last 2 years and I was already chunky. 40 lbs isn’t going to cause someone to suddenly die. 😂 😒 Especially someone as fit as Tammy was.
I was yelling at the television too! I was furious!
Especially when Chad himself had like 80 extra pounds 😂
If that was true He'd be dead too!
Heather Daybell was a warrior in the witness box today, she spoke her truth, clearly and succinctly, and that is why she is called a pot stirrer by her father in law, obviously strong women are not their favorite people.
You did an amazing job Heather 💞👏👏
It was touching to see Kay get up and make room for Heather in the gallery when she was done holding her own against Prior. It was a sweet show of solidarity! It has been good to see some of the various family members coming together, and I hope that they are helping each other heal.
Does anyone else think that Chad had something going with Julie Rowe prior to meeting Lori Vallow?
@Cloudbusting31, I read that he told Julie Rowe they were married in a previous life. I also heard they had an affair, but not sure.
Lori wasn’t his first rodeo.
There was another woman he was talking to also. I heard this very early on. He had passed that line on several women over the years. Lori was just the first dumb one that went for it.
Yes, I believe they had something inappropriate going on, I'm sure others as well.
Lori was narcissistic in the worst way, so dumb Chad must have really fed her ego... And she fell for him, all in the name of the Lords work!
Hidden True Crime interviewed Shaun Littlebear, who was one of the speakers in the Preparing s People conference. According to him, Chad and Julie Rowe were super flirty with each other for a time. I imagine he cheated on Tammy then too. I also wonder if his "prophecies" of Tammy's early death started when he was dating Julie Rowe (if there was an affair there too)
Heathers interview on Hidden True Crime with Dr. John and Lauren Matthias from a year ago was absolutely fascinating. She had been a part of the Daybells family since she was 16 years old when she was dating Matt. She is no shrinking wall flower, and Chad always struggled with her being a strong freethinking independant woman. I think he felt emasculated by her. She also spoke of Chad's mother in the household. She was pretty much treated like a servant. Females were considered "less than"....
I doubt it was only their household, but an outrage nonetheless. It’s no surprise when only men write the rules to benefit only themselves.
Heather was amazing. Telling listeners Chad was not that meek mild as he presented himself. He ran everything, never really consulting Tammie. So much info
lol l
@@user-pz8em8yc2twhat exactly, is funny?
I just finished watching the second podcast and yes truly fascinating she was so intuitive about chad yearrrssss ago.
IMO Sheila Daybell didn't sound like a "sweet" lady. She sounded like a Zombie to me. Your daughter in law dies, your son takes you to the roadhouse restaurant to announce he has remarried, weeks after the death, awkward isn't the description I would use Nate. These Daybell parents are co-dependant, non-pot stirrers(shout out to Heather). They closed their eyes to their sons perversions.
I was wondering why the prosecution called her because she really had absolutely nothing to say that was of any value.
Correct! She’s not a sweet old lady, she’s a “look the other way while my son is blatantly murdering people” because she’d rather not face it, that’s more convenient. Awful human being.
Exactly!
To me, many LDS wives give off a Stepford wives vibe. To each their own, but it looks like a pained existence to me.
@@ChubbyUnicorn How long have you been studying “Mormon wives”? Do you generally marginalize millions of woman all over the globe? What do you call someone who makes derogatory statements based on assumed information about any particular group of people?
Nate! WE LOVE YOU!!! THANK YOU for ALL that you do!
Ditto!
Double ditto!!! 😊
The coroner brought up the fact that Tammy had a full stomach during the autopsy and it’s never came back up. They’re missing that key item!
Prior brought up again today that Tammy was vomiting… so which is it was her stomach full at the autopsy or empty.
@@barbyrice3130 - it was full…of potatoes, literally.
Since the coroner said she had a full stomach, there was no way she threw up like Chad told everyone.
I AGREE!!! I brought this up last video. That refutes his “she threw up”
Tammy was murdered soon after she ate. That’s why her stomach was full of un digested potatoes.
I was "conned" into attending one of Chad and Julie's conferences in 2015, so before he met Lori. A friend had come to town for the conference and talked one of my kids into attending "a potluck picnic" claiming it was a gathering of people who had all lived in a particular place, and we might see friends we hadn't seen in a number of years. I then talked another one of my kids into going as well. It was a picnic in the park as billed but not a gathering of people as it had been explained. They were talking end of world stuff and earthquakes; they actually said it was all going to happen in September 2015. I decided not to eat anything, I'd brought my own drink, I was good. They also said we needed to wrap our cell phones and laptops in aluminum foil or put them into a special box so they wouldn't be destroyed by the fallout. We were told to pack our bug out bags and be prepared to walk up into the mountains of Northern Utah, so the date and place changed after it didn't happen in 2015. We had ridden to the picnic with the friend so we couldn't leave. The actual conference was at the University the next day. The adult child I had talked into going to the picnic opted out and I had planned to skip it as well, but my other child intended to take her infant and attend with the friend, she wanted me to go help care for the baby, so I ended up going. They were talking about their near-death experiences, and it was all so bizarre that I ended up taking the baby out and hung out in the hall for most of the day. Later in the afternoon, they persuaded me that I had to hear the keynote speaker which turned out to be another bout with Chad Daybell. After the conference was basically over people broke up into smaller groups outside and some were getting and giving blessings on the grounds of the university. totally out of the norm. A lot more went on but that's the jist as I recall it. As an aside , I've also eaten at the Texas Roadhouse in Idaho Falls. It all creeps me out! I decided to not attend any other events. When all of this broke in 2020, I called the daughter with the baby to confirm that this was the same guy. She texted me a flyer from the conference, and yes it was. She had also attended other events and bought several of his books. Run, Forrest run! So yes, I've followed you and this case since 2020. Keep up the good work!
I remember back in 2020, all the people that attended those conferences were saying that they are normal conferences teaching regular church teachings. How can they attend something like that and not realize that it's not mainstream teachings? Wild! Glad you weren't fooled.
WOW! Thanks for sharing your personal experiences.❤
Yikes. I’m glad you saw the lies for what they were.
Yikes. I’m glad you saw the lies for what they were.
Dude. Nate should interview you. And thank you for not drinking the Kool-aid- literally!!!
Can we just talk about how Lori tells the officers that her brother is trying to kill her and it doesn't even earn a pause in the conversation?!!! I'm glad that this officer had intuition for the first time in this whole crazy case.
It was an odd moment. She just drops that in there to make herself look like a victim. Bet she's been doing that her whole life. She claimed Joe molested her children. She told her family Charles was cheating on her. I wonder how Adam felt when he heard that she'd told police he was trying to kill her. At her sentencing, the judge mentioned that she'd been diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, which confirmed my earlier suspicions that she was a narcissist. I read somewhere that they often accuse you of doing whatever it is they are doing. She accused Charles of cheating while knowing she was sleeping with Chad. She accused Adam of trying to kill her while she was conspiring to kill multiple people. So sick!
I've been called a "pot stirrer," too. That happens when you bring up inconsistencies and fallacies.
Or when you ask people to be accountable!
Your wife didn’t sound “judgy” at all. She just sounds like a sensible, intelligent, and modern woman.
Indeed, she sounded very reasonable and wanting to stand up for people who are in situations that are toxic and possibly unsafe for them. I'm always happy to hear people feeling like that, because only too often people still feel it's 'normal' or at least something that 'just comes with having a partner' when one partner is controlling over the other.
She sounds like a thoroughly modern woman.
Modern and intelligent woman.
We look at you and your wife and see what LDS couples are supposed to be like, its a shame that someone like Chad and Lori have done so much harm to the faith but like with any other faith you find these rotten apples that can ruin the whole bushel. But its says more about them as people than about their faith. If you are truly walking in Christ you would not have to abuse your family to boost your ego, but rather lift them up as a true Christian would, because you would want the best for your loved ones in every situation.
She sounds like she would be a good friend
The Daybell’s and the Cox family allowed their children to carry on with dangerous nonsense while silencing and tossing away family members who voiced their concerns. The police and church also ignored the pleas of family members who tried to get anyone to listen. As a society we have a duty to protect people against evil.
I was thinking about this very thing today. We are always saying that Chad and Lori were the perfect storm because them coming together led to all this. I think theboerfect storm went behind them to their families. The Cox and Daybell families had that toxic loyalty, which created a bunch of problems until more of the truth came out. Not to mention the Gilbert Police
As a society sure, but these ppl are all narcissists and they don’t care about society. They care only about theirselves. Chads pop sounds like a narcissist too. Chad is likely his favorite (the favorites usually become the narcissist children). Hence why he covers for him and basically told Heather to shut her pie hole. Narcissist parents consider their children as extensions of themselves (not autonomous individuals) so they take it personally if you mess with them.
As a society we don't that's why we won't survive. Why do you think the aliens are scoping us out so hard lately 😂
@@audrieking7109I completely agree.
@@GregSalamancaThe aliens don’t want this raggedy ass planet or its occupants. 🤣
What a terrible irony: Tammy Daybell didn’t make enough to support a family, working to educate children.
Poor Tammy, she gave her life to one cruel, inhumane person. This man never respects Tammy ,never loved her, and now this pathetic attorney is doing the same even after her murdered.
Welcome to the condition of many, many American workers! Very hard for people to get by nowadays, it's tragic.
@@patelvidhithe defense attorney is doing his job! Without pay! If he doesn't do his job, and do it well, Chad walks free. Stop whinging and be grateful!
@@kelrogers8480...😂
@kelrogers8480 defense has been paid, remember he owns chuds house and acreage
Heather took John and Chad's entire defense and shoved it down the garbage disposal. Chad was weird before Lori ever came along Gary Chad had extremely odd non Main Street in beliefs before Lori ever came along
Who is John?
@@kateashby3066John Prior...Chad's attorney.
It’s not looking good for old Chad.
He has to put on his witnesses still but aside from his biased kids lying for him… I dont think he has much!
Excellent!
@@kateashby3066I can’t imagine who they have lined up.
Maybe he has some "expert witnesses" who love conspiracy theories
He will have an expert forensic coroner for sure to say Tammy died of natural circumstances. I'm not sure what type because it wasn't anemia but he sure is trying to make that one happen so maybe it will be that and probably he will blame Melanie Gibb somehow he's totally obsessed with her. I mean most of think she was probably more involved in the group but none of us think she was involved in any murders especially JJs. But he's after her. Melanie B would have been a better candidate but I guess she's way to close to Lori and he's probably afraid Lori would turn on him if he went after her.
Chad said, “Tammy came downstairs and said she was feeling unwell.” I strongly suspect she may have been sleeping upstairs, ie they were sleeping apart. If that comes out, Chad is toast as his ‘story’ about waking up and finding her dead beside him will crumble. That’s why Pryor keeps going on about it - he’s trying to deny it before the prosecution even questions their sleeping arrangements. Also, I’d bet Lori (in her warped mind) would make sure that Chad would not be ‘lying with another woman’ after they had been ‘sealed for eternity.’ I don’t know if this will ever come out, but I strongly suspect Chad and Tammy were no longer sharing a bed.
Thank you, that is a really good theory and a great point it's been bugging me and I'm racking my brain as why is the stairs are so darn important to John and to the case. And the funny thing is John has now made it a poignant thought in the jury's mind
I wonder if there is going to be any of Tammy's texts that would not have been relevant in Lori's case that might come out. And I wonder if her kids will tell the truth if maybe they get up there and they can't lie
It would be a pertinent question for their son,Garth, who lived at the house at the time!
I think you’re on to something…
If that were viable the state would just call the kids to testify. Garth came to the bedside if they felt he had not then he would be a witness.
Robbie Bankens from Lake Charles, Louisiana on my 56th Birthday. 🎉 Continued prayers for my precious friends, Larry and Kay and all impacted by these tragic, senseless and callous murders. Thank you again for your tremendous coverage. ❤️
Happy Birthday 🎂
Happy Birthday 🎂
Happy birthday
As a mom, I can’t imagine having to testify at my son’s trial. That would be heart wrenching.
Especially in a death penalty trial 😮 I don't know I could do that
Agreed. I was thinking they'd have to arrest me or hold me in contempt. Does anyone know if Chad and his mom interacted at all? They haven't seen each other in years. It had to be emotional for her. I don't think anything is emotional for him
@@MonAmi-ru5ojI was listening to Nate speak to Justin from the Fox affiliate station this afternoon and I think he said Chad's mom visits him at the jail.
@@bridget1540 interesting! Thank you!
If I ever disrespected my Mom, such as getting married without her or my family involved, my Mother would have marched me down to the courthouse to annul it after she whipped my tail and I’m nearly 70 years old! Never in a cazillion years would I EVER disrespect my Mother!
My husband doesn't know it, but he just pre ordered the mugshot t-shirt for me for Mother's Day! Nate, you and your family are incredible. Thanks for the updates and coming at you from Normal, Illinois.
😂
Lol too funny! Thanks hubby! 😂
So much easier to order it yourself rather than get a gift you don't want...😂
I hope that he’s insured
Missed this live but catching up now. Very much appreciate your nightly recaps and insight, Nate!
If I'm on the jury, I'm thinking that Daybell's attorney lied to me.
Nate, you should gift Chad and Lori T-Shirts: "I failed to keep my mugshot off East Idaho News" 😅
now that’s a GREAT idea
My heart broke for Shiela Daybell. All these women were excellent witnesses.
Nate, I would like to say, I very much appreciate the human aspect you bring to the table. Your beautiful wife is such a great sport for allowing us a glimpse of her personality. It’s why this is one of my favorite channels!! ❤
Erica was not being judgmental of Tammy by no means, she was speaking truth. As well Tammy was an adult and had the right to speak on how she was doing.
Your wife was not judgy at all, it’s always great to get LDS perspective. Thanks ❤
Thank you Nate. So proud of Kay and Heather- 2 strong women there committed to doing the right thing and speaking up for JJ Tylee and Tammy. Please tell them there are people cheering them from the sidelines…I am watching from Germany.
Erica!!!!! You’re a fine example of a wife and mother ❤
My ex-wife while we were married directed her friends to never reach out to me or talk to me about certain things. One day I got a messege through Facebook from a complete stranger to me asking me about allegations she had made against me concerning domestic violence and abuse...well come to find that for 2 yrs she was telling people who had never met me that I was controlling and abusive. D-I-V-O-R-C-E. Had that one person not thought the situation was weird and reached out to, I fear what may have eventually happened
Dude, that’s insane! Your wife was likely a narcissist herself or a histrionic like lori and did anything for attention.
U dodged a bullet there for sure.
Erica’s laugh was all I needed to hear when you asked what her response would have been! LOL
And I absolutely did not think her response was judgmental whatsoever! If anything, I think it sounded to be more concern for Tammy and if she was dealing with some kind of abuse at home.
And the stairs…. I think it made Prior look like even more of a buffoon when he brought it up again, instead of the prosecution having to revisit it, when Mrs Gilbert was on the stand. I got the impression from how he phrased the question to her that he wasn’t expecting her to know much of anything about the addition to the house. He seemed to switch subjects quickly a few times throughout yesterday afternoon when he obviously wasn’t getting the answers he wanted or expected. He seemed rather irritated by the end of the day. At least from what I observed.
Thanks so much Nate for doing Courtroom Insider for us! Take care of yourself and get a chest x ray! 🫶🏼
He doesn't seem to realize that harping on incorrect information makes the jurors remember it as wrong even more once they learn the truth haha. I'm sure the same thing happened with the "old" bruising comments he kept emphasizing with the coroner
@@audrieking7109 well, this is the same lawyer who kept asking questions about "lapidity" and "binging" when speaking to expert witnesses, so there you go.
Thanks so much, Kay and Heather!! Great testimony! 💕
Erica!!! Spot on! You’re completely right
For a shy retiring person he sure loved a podium and a crowd hanging on his words.....🙄
Exactly what I thought. It did not come naturally to him, he was an awkward speaker but he craved the attention and validation. It seems that everyone who worked with Tammy loved her for her sunny disposition and it was getting on his nerves. He needed to put her down constantly.
That's because the rest of the kids were doing much better in life. He couldn't believe some many deluded people were listening to him.
Lori makes lying look so easy. Dang.
Frozen 2 😖
She’s been lying for years. But where the cop asked who in Arizona had JJ…her response gave away that she was lying.
As does Melanie Pawlowski, the daughter from another mother.
It is easy for lyers to lie, it's just hard for non lyers to lie....
@@snuzie421 Great point!
Nate Eaton you are greatly appreciated 👍🙏⚖️
Hers my favorite thing!… the realtor called out Prior for owning Chad’s property. Then prior intentionally misled the jury by asking “are you aware that this is a one story home?” (Thinking that was his grand GOTCHA! Moment lol), then it was cleared up- it’s actually got a second story add on… showing that Prior was mistaken. But not really because the jury now knows he owns the place and therefor must know if it has a second story. So the jury knows Prior lied to them now! 😂
I cannot understand why anyone would want to own a home where 2 murdered children were buried.
"Ma"am, we are here to make a wellfare check on your son JJ." - "Can you imagine: My husband changed the beneficiary of his life insurance to his sister!"
She kept repeating "its a mess- its a mess"
Nate you are always on top of the story. The last 5 years I have depended on your reporting and explaining this horrific story. Thank you and keep going strong!
Chad was a loser nobody that became nothing, he was jealous and the only place he could throw his substantial weight around was his family. When he had to hold his own in adult company he reverted to claiming Doom and Gloom to have attention focused on him. He is litterally the child that would break toys at a kids party just to get attention. All 3 his brothers are learned and accomplished and he is nothing.
Well said
Thank you, Nate, for your stellar work, extreme follow through, and devotion to reporting the facts. Emmy has the best Mentor in the world as a Junior Journalist and Reporter! Nate, you are a wonderful husband and father, reporter and all around great man! Thank you, thank you, for all of your hard work, your faithful devotion to your career, your followers and your family! Oh, and you truly make the World’s BEST Secret Santa!! When the trial is over and Justice has been served, take your family on a wonderful summer vacation! You are a consummate Saint!!! 😊
His mom knows more than what she’s saying. No way she didn’t ask more questions
I don't think his mom was allowed to ask too many questions (Heather Daybell did a long interview with the "Hidden Truecrime Podcast" and Chad's father is a misogynistic dirtbag as well...)
I keep waiting for someone else to bring this up regarding Tammy's stomach contents. The Coroner said she was their for the autopsy, and Tammy still had her stomach contents. She also states that implies that Tammy never vomited.
that's a really good point
VERY GOOD POINT!
Hopefully they'll highlight this again and make that point CRYSTAL CLEAR in closing
It was already said. Prior ask coroner if she knows Tammy ate after potatos at night
Im curious about it as well
Honoring each other in marriage goes both ways, not one way.
I noticed Chad's head and eyes rarely ever looked at Kay as soon as she came in the room he occupied himself looking at the laptop and was writing, i thought to myself "that's right chad you lower your head in shame"
That was the most movement I've ever seen from him! He must have been so nervous.
I don’t believe Chad would ever feel shame or even know the meaning of the word!
He also wouldn’t look at the pictures of JJ and Tylee.
Exactly, he kept himself super occupied.
Nate, I want to apologize for anything I said about your beliefs that may have offended you & those you love. I didn’t realize until tonight that you were also LDS. I’ve said negative things about your church and while we don’t have to agree on everything I have so much respect and admiration for you Erica and the kids that I’d never have been so blunt about that subject if I’d known it would personally offend you. You are an amazing family❤
There are a lot of really great Latter-day Saints. None of us are perfect of course, but those who live our religion are wholesome, kind, and loving people.
This is actually such a sweet comment 😭 We can criticize and disagree but still be respectful of a person, the world has lost a lot of that these days.
I feel like you are still missing something important here. Is it ok as long as you don’t realize who your audience is?
Omg. The lies Lori is telling the Police all the while knowing the children are dead!
1. "He's in Arizona with my friend."
2. "My brother is trying to kill me."
3. "Everyone is causing me trouble."
🤥🙄
And the cops walked away........
Since Chad was looking at his brother's land, I wonder if they would eventually be a target down the road.😮
That was my thought too!
Is that even in question? Heather in particular was a HUGE threat to Chad. But they realized the cops were into them so they picked up and fled to Hawaii instead, as if they wouldn’t be extradited back 😂
They should let the jury do a walk through the house and see the property. They showed 48Hrs. Why not let the jury see the property if they think he was " framed " ?
It’s about a 4 or 5 hour drive from Chads house to Boise where the trial is
@@Dot15So? That shouldn’t matter. A chartered bus trip would be valuable, doable and a great change of scenery for the jury during this long trial!
I don’t disagree but I don’t think that’s state would pay for that trip
I'm sure they are going. The judge Mentioned on the first day something about when they visit they still cannot talk to each other or do research.
I would think it wouldn't be worth it for the prosecution to send them over there. I imagine that they could see the same stuff in person as they can see in the pictures.
You know Lori and Alex are staring out the window watching the cops as they’re calling Melanie Gibb. Dang, what a twisted story!
My heart aches for Kay and Larry
It is so common for liars and scemers to accuse others of the exact thing they are doing themself. Like Lori accusing brother Adam of wanting to murder for life-insurance or accusing Charles of having an affair. Don't they get how obvious that is?
Nate let me tell you my 15 almost 16 year old son has had the same girlfriend for a little over a year and a half. She is a sweetheart and I adore her, and he adores her. Although it was not approved to ever ever have a girlfriend this young, we couldn't stop it so we embraced them, her parents and us together talked and we always supervise and communicate. They are also best friends.
Even if he broke up with her and brought a new girl home in 3 weeks I would be shocked and disappointed. Maybe it's because they're both so sweet and mature and I adore her and she's always around because we supervise I don't know but I would be really taken it back and that's a teenager if my adult son after 30 years of marriage and five kids and grandkids behave this way and especially around these circumstances I would be completely suspicious I would be talking to him and telling him he needs to tell the truth put it all out there and I would not lie for him for one second.
You are very sweet to call her a patient loving mom but she is a mom in denial who is coddling and protecting a murderer
Yes she is. And herein lies the problem.
Said so eloquently!
Wow. That’s a revealing interaction btw Lori and the police! She could not stop talking. Wow.
Great call w/Erika! I found it very refreshing that women of LDS faith DO have a voice. With the trial, we've heard so much LDS culture, but based on a bad relationship! Either way, I'm still not judging anyone based on their mainstream religious choices. Thanks again for that "personal touch" on these recaps! From a forever fan in Chicago!!
Chad's family is definitely not the norm! We have a term for that behavior, and it's called "unrighteous dominion." It is spoken out against even in our scriptures. It makes me so mad that Chad tried to control his wife, and that Chad's dad was controlling over Chad's mom too. I was telling my husband about some of Chad's controlling crap today, and he said he should serve time just for that alone haha. We're latter-day saints, by the way
Yep, Latter-day Saint women absolutely have a voice! Some people will try to make you think otherwise, but as a lifelong member, I’ve never felt less than men. Ever. And as the previous comment states, we would call Chad’s control over Tammy unrighteous dominion. It’s not ok.
@audrieking7109.... You're conveniently not acknowledging the comment Erica made about treating women as less than can be part of the Mormon culture.
Another great recap. You’re awesome, Nate!!
This is so heartbreaking. My youngest son was born 3 months early and is on the spectrum with ADHD. No drugs involved but it hits home and I understand how desperate Kay and Larry wanted to look after him and how much love they would have given him. I loved how Kay slipped and said Tammy was murd€r€d!
So was my daughter- three months earls. May I ask why?
In my case i got eclampsia. They were about to fly me to another hospital.
That hospital is very good at pre born babies. But i was near death so their goal at that time was to save my life. Which to me sounds very strange because i didn´t know what was happening. Heard it all from my mother who was with me the whole time. 🎉
Thank god it all went well. She is now almost 23. Healthy, beautiful and simply amazing.
I hope all is well with your son🙏❤️
Thanks Nate for your brilliant recaps. I don’t even watch the trial any more. I get so much more from your broadcasts!
I can't think of a single religion at the moment that isn't based on the patriarchy.
The pay Tammy was getting is shameful even by Irish standard 😳😳
Less than a disability payment how did she survive at all 😮
First time I'd watched live yesterday and all those strong amazing women standing up to Chad and finally having a voice and being listened to was incredible. I think Heather was subpoenaed by JP to keep her out of the courtroom as much as possible because he knows it rattles Chad, he is the sort of person who has a quiet rage inside when he is not in control. I also think the death certificates thing wasnt explained properly, i think maybe him mentioning how many he had ordered was more strange than how many he had ordered as i cant imagine many people would be like oh yeah ive ordered this many rather than oh yeah i have one, if that makes sense? Just my opinion.
Heather and Kay are incredible, strong women and refused to be quiet and let things go. I think its really sad that Tammy's spirit was destroyed by that bully who was clearly emotionally abusive and controlling, if they had got divorced, i fully believe she would have gone on to have a wonderful life without him and rediscovered herself but instead she never got the chance because he not only killed her spirit he took her life. I hope she is now resting happily and peacefully.
I think Erica is spot on and not judgy at all. We should all stand up and say something when we see blatant control and abusive behavior and be there to support each other. Too many women (and men) from all walks of life are living in these situations day to day and it shouldnt be accepted as the norm because its not x
If I did anything to my kids, I’d be more afraid of my mom than the cops. I’d be asking to be jailed to be safe from the wrath of my mom. My kids are her best friends. He would do ANYTHING for her grandchildren.
Me too I ama grandma
I'm singing "don't be a jerk" from now on, thanks nate 😂
Chad is lying .. He had no visions
Chad's audacity is one of the most shocking things in this whole trial. He actually went to multiple people and asked them to put up their house for his wife's bond. He even told one couple that Jesus told him to ask them to do it. 🤣😂
Nate, I have come to think of you as a dear friend. I watch you and truly appreciate your thoughtful approach to the people involved in this trial. Your humor, family stories, and accurate reporting are so refreshing. Thank you. I wish you and your family all the very best.
I'm stunned at tammys wages, that's slavery. 16k even in the uk is terrible, that's what you would earn working a few days a week and there's no way you'd be able to rent a house, buy a house, pay bills, food, car.. my daughter straight out of school working in hospitality earned way more than that..
"Don't talk to her, talk to me.." Major abusive husband alert!!! If my SO tried that, it would be the most awkward dinner because I would start yelling right there and then. Oh and if I remarried a week after my husband died, my mum would seriously question my sanity and morality. Though, in Islamic law, you cannot remarry for at least 3 months. It's like a mandated mourning period. Similar to how when someone starts divorce proceedings, there's a mandatory arbitration period before the court moves forward.
Hi from Mission, British Columbia near Vancouver. Watch you every night as a settling in ritual. Always such a thorough job and so engaging. Thank you Nate!
Ha! I'm in Aldergrove and my Dad lives in Mission. So close!
Im watching in Port Moody! We’re all 30 minutes apart, great channel Nate Eaton!
I love the phone call with Erica. She's awesome.
And it definitely sounds like Tammy was being abused and manipulated.
My kids would ask them to arrest them, and they would confess because they would be afraid of me that would not fly as a mother I would be so angry, devastated and disappointed I would not defend my child. I would love my child, but I would not defend my child by the way I have 8 children!
Those jurors must be wondering how it was that Chad had at least two women falling all over his studly self
Thank you for sharing that adorable picture of Kay and JJ.
You are an outstanding reporter. Thank you
Did anyone else catch Lori saying they “loved” JJ. She spoke in past tense when talking about him!!
I want to wear a t-shirt with “POT-STIRRER” printed across the back.
It’s astonishing that Idaho teachers are paid so damned little: $16,000/year !
In Connecticut, first year public school teachers with bachelors degrees are paid between about $40,000 to $43,000 a year, dependent on the school district and the teacher’s qualifications.
(I know Connecticut is richer than Idaho, and our cost of living is about 13% higher than the national average, but yikes!)
Me too! What a terrific idea.
I saw on another channel that people want shirts with a raccoon stirring a pot. Made me laugh out loud.
Her pay I think they said was $14,000 a year, however she was a librarian. Not a teacher. Seems she did alot, and 14k a year is way below poverty, idk if she was part time. She did a lot there, but it seemed like she just needed something to do, and a reason to wake up- a purpose. Chad certainly wasn’t making money so I’m baffled how they survived
@@TheAverageSavage1021in my state of Virginia, school librarians require additional schooling-at a minimum they require 18 post graduate credits to receive an endorsement, but many school librarians have masters degrees. 16k is shameful for an advanced degree, licensed educator.
I want that shirt as well 😂
Someone asked if Tammy ever met lori! Yes they did! One witness said he met lori and Tylee in 2017. Tylee asked for an autograph and he was surprised when Chad introduce Tammy as his wife because him and lori seemed so close!!!
🎵We all have work, don’t be a jerk 🎵 🤪🤪😂😂 Thanks for the laugh Nate!
I work in a primarily male dominated industry. Sometimes my husband comes with me to keep me company and help with transactions and/or transport. Whenever we go, the client always tries to address my husband first. He always looks at them and says, “I’m just here to support my wife, please speak with her and address her for all of your questions and concerns.” He supports me in all my endeavors, even when they are “crazy,” and highly encourages me to get out with friends, host events and participate in my hobbies as often I can. When I hear stories like this, and how Chad treated Tammy, I feel so deeply for the women who live in the shadows of their partners or feel oppressed into submission. I so appreciate my husband and the fact that we are seen as equals and teammates rather than competitors.
I loved what Erica said. As another devout Latter-day Saint, she was spot on!
It was delightful to include your wife. Thanks
Thank you Nate, and East Idaho News Team for these nightly updates. Very much appreciated 😊
I hope that this horror story may at least help women being treated badly by husbands to trust their instincts and break free of false teachings supporting subserviancy of wives. Tammy was doing everything in that family. Yet he roved about spouting rubbish and flirting with women. By the look of that yard he was ridiculousy lazy and not willing to improve the land or provide for his children
Agree.
The detective should have made Lori call her friend Melanie rught then and told them he wanted to speak to JJ. Right that minute! Lori would be shaking in her shoes!
Erica isnt judgy ,honey your right ! Chad's abusive and no man should ever think he has that kinda permission over his wife .
As I understood it - every school employee received 50k. The 10k extra was what Tammy opted into in the first year. So 60k total. Then when she increased the amount the 50k was still supplied by the school & Tammy increased 10k to 80k... so the $130k total
Thanks Nate, uk here ❤😊
And what a day it was!
My mum would be livid
Chads mom is beneath her. That’s how these ppl view women. She isn’t allowed to have opinions, let alone feelings.
I wrote the same thing earlier. No opinions allowed or received. The old school LDS standards are draconian at best. My widowed Catholic lonely mom joined Mormons (early doomsday preppers in Daytona Beach) without our Ohio family knowing.
It too me (the potstirrer) to get hospital security to remove them huddling over my mother in ICU posing to staff they were her family! When I arrived from Ohio the nurses said to me, "Your sister is already in there with your mother." I told staff get those people out of here immediately!
Thank you so much, Nate! I wasn’t able to catch the second half of Heathers testimony…plus I can only take so much of Pryor.
I really appreciate Courtroom Insider so I can get caught up!❤️
46K with 5 children. Oh my goodness. She must of really scrimped to take care of her children. Such a hard worker bless her for her strength . RIP Tammy❤️❤️🙏❤️so sad.
“We all have work, don’t be a jerk.” 😂 I’m not gonna be able to sing that hymn with a straight face anymore!
On Charles' call to the insurance company the guy said that the password had recently been set up. What if Lori did that and changed the beneficiary back to herself in April???
I think that is exactly what happened! Prior has misrepresented many “facts” during this trial. Lying by omission.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I feel I remember something about her doing something with it and Charles making changes after he'd found out she'd accessed it or made a change to the password or something. It was so long ago that I heard or read that detail I can't quite remember it, but I was definitely thinking today that it was likely Lori changing herself back to being the beneficiary. Boy could you hear how she felt about the money going to Kay in the police body cam video! She was so mad!
Yes!!!!
Lori out & out lied to the police in Idaho when they were looking for JJ. Why didn't they call her out right then? SUCH A LOSS!!! Those poor children, Tammy & Charles!
She sickened me, too! If she really DID/ DOES believe she is a goddess for GOD Himself, if their whole story were actually real, she wouldn’t be hiding out in an apartment with her brother and lying to police. Of course their whole story is nuts and makes no sense whatsoever… if the jury can’t tell they have been lying… well, I just can’t believe they can’t see through all of this sick stuff! 🤢👺
Lori .... Will not let anyone finish a sentence.
Chad seems to check all the boxes for an abuser that eventually un-alives their partner. He isolated her (moving from Utah to Idaho and asking people not to talk to her), he disregarded her wishes (not considering her feelings about moving, not letting her play video games), he disrespected her (telling people at her funeral that she's lazy). He cheated on her. There were likely so many other signs but if I was in the jury, alarm bells would be going off.