I love him too, but his Bluray Sucks video was the dumbest thing he ever released. Pretty much eliminated any credibility he had with me and anyone who stumbles across his video. If he was smart, he'd delete it. I don't buy DVD unless I'm forced. I agree he's trying to be funny, but he sounds like noob from Battlefield Friends complaining about teh graphics on PC compared to console.
I just recently got back into collecting physical. There is a Bookoff near me that sells all DVDs for $1. From time to time they have Blu Ray for $1 each as well. I would love to go with BR every time, but the price is too good to pass up when DVDs are a buck each! I have about 80 of them so far. Some of these I purchased back in 2000-2003 for like $25!
With physical media, you get to keep the movie forever. If a streaming service loses the rights to the movie, too bad. I only use streaming to watch movies in genres that I’m only mildly interested in. I also think if one has a physical media collection, they can pass their collection on to the next generation. Your kids will know what kind of movies you were into. They won’t know if you stream everything.
I find there are a lot of blu rays of films that you cannot find anywhere to stream or their quality is bad. Foreign films for example or horror films.
That's what makes Blu-ray superior. I put the disc in to watch the movie, not look at the menus. I couldn't care less what the menu looks like, I just want a menu that loads quickly, responds quickly to my inputs, doesn't waste time with animations, lets me watch the movie as quickly as possible. Slow overly animated DVD menus that keep me from the movie for longer than they should suck, and I'm glad they're gone.
@@mjc0961The fact that Blu-ray can have a live menu during the film also makes it superior. DVD menus were cool, but some had obnoxiously long intros and unintuitive menus.
Having a collection of your favorite movies to not only watch in high quality but also to display/share your tastes with your friends is so fun. Sure, there’s Letterboxd and stuff, but it’s so much better to physically explore someone else’s collections
Brother I just started collecting two years ago, I wish there was a place specifically for seeing other people's collections. I love movies. Always have. But never knew how to treat my own belongings as a kid so nothing survived. Also moved alot. I probably had 60,000 worth of Yu-Gi-Oh cards too. Lost those as well. Five years ago I gave away a complete collection of aqua teen hunger force', not knowing it's value 😂
Most of my friends are in awe of my collection, not just for it's size butthe amount of strange and obscure titles included in it; both good AND bad. My mother is constantly batching that I should stop buying any more discs as I couldn't possibly watch all the ones I have now. That's not the point. I have already seen many of them and even if I never watch certain titles again or even at all, I still have the ability to do so if I choose.
I love Blu-ray Discs. I'm still relatively new to 4K Blu-rays because I want the transfer to justify the purchase, and I'm selective about which ones I buy. But Blu-rays are great.
@P T How's the cases for bluray? I still think DVD would of been very popular today and even compete with streaming if it wasn't for the annoying and hard to open cases along with not being able skip or FF the beginning screens in a movie. On bluray can you skip or FF the beginning screens?
@@youtuberyoutuber2495 nah its just how cheap dvds feel compared to bluray, they scratch so easily and have a really distinct smell from the case in the cheapest plastic they can find
Is it a bad thing to still collect DVDs in this day of age?, because while I do Collect Blu-Ray & 4Ks here and their, I tend to buy DVDs more often than I do buying Blu-Rays & 4Ks
1. Film Preservation. 2. Special features galore. 3. Durability 4. Boutique Labels (Arrow Video, Scream Factory, Vinegar Syndrome, etc.) 5. Space savings. 6. Badass artwork. 7. Lossless audio. 8. HD video. 9. More digital codes. 10. Blu-Ray is for collectors and enthusiasts.
My favorite aspect is how durable Blu-rays are, so many of my DVDs got either scratched or cracked in the middle ring, but I haven’t had any issues like this with 99% or so of my Blu-rays.
I think both of you are right. I miss the robust special features and creative menus on DVD, but the quality of the actual content on bluray is obviously better.
I still collect on BluRay due to the price gap with 4K and my budget. I recently purchased The Batman on BluRay and was blown away by how much better the 1080p disc looked and sounded when compared with a 4K stream. The colour palette, dynamic lighting, fluidity of motion were all drastically improved and the Dolby Atmos sound through my 7.1 surround headphones was incredibly immersive. I still love my standard BluRays.
Same. The vast majority of modern encodes on blurays and the picture and sound quality is perfectly acceptable. I only upgrade to 4K if their 1080p version has a bad transfer or it's a film I really, really like.
Same. Most modern films have a 2K finish and , at times, it is enough (particularly the last two Avengers films) Hell even some old films I’m sticking with blu ray such as The Thing, Robocop.
@Ryan Kitchen I'm only going to buy 4K with older films. Newer films on Blu-ray and 4K look so identical it's hard tell the difference between 2K and 4K.
I agree 100% in my background of 35 years working in Retail Management I have had experience with this very topic. Back in the day when all we had as consumers was retail music/video stores to purchase whatever new releases had come out we went to one of the many stores to make these purchases. One of the companies I managed was a Sam Goody/Musicland Group store in the new malls Simon Properties built in downtown Indianapolis,Indiana. They had many locations but VHS and Laser Disc were the primary video formats at that time. After 6 years of working with them I left the company and went to work as a Manager for Blockbuster Music. I was fortunate to be one of the Managers who was responsible for ordering inventory, special orders, etc. As a movie buff and lover of Home Theater in the early days I always kept up on A/V equipment and formats, ie: Cassettes, CD's, Vinyl, Mini-Disc, VHS, and a new format DVD. I could only order a handful of titles then mostly from Warner Brothers. I told my Store Manager DVD will replace VHS and eventually of course it did. DVD started taking off even though DVD players were $500-$600 dollars. I remember some of my friends saying it will die just like Laser Disc.(Not likely I said) Fast forward to PS3 console comes out and Blu-ray players as well HD was born. After 5 years with the Music division of Blockbuster the company decided to sell off the chain of 400 locations to a company called Wherehouse Ent. Ultimately the new company did evaluations of stores that were doing well and the ones who didn't. I got wind my store was going to be closing so I left and two days later I started with the video division of Blockbuster and stayed for five and half years. Blockbuster wasted no time buying everything they could on Blu-ray it was great. The partnership Blockbuster had with movie studios was strong and that's how they had so many new releases. After over ten years with Blockbuster I left for a job offer I couldn't refuse and it was out of retail. The crazy part is I knew about Netflix back then and there mail DVD program. Blockbuster tried the same thing. He'll Blockbuster even had the opportunity to purchase Netflix and turned it down. That was a mistake even before the public knew about streaming service Netflix was working on. I believe it could have saved Blockbuster. So many people think it was Netflix that brought down Blockbuster, but it was not. It was a bad financial deal the VIACOM put Blockbuster in. VIACOM wanted to buy Paramount pictures and they leverage Blockbuster to buy it. When the markets started tanking in 2007, 2008, 2009 it started to take a toll on Blockbuster. Sure was a great company to work for. As time went on a new format came out 4K UHD BLU-RAY which I have to say is as to date the best format of physical media has. Yes you can purchase a 4K UHD player or now with next generation game console PS5 or Xbox and get the best of both worlds. In my opinion. Until these next generation consoles run there course physical media is here to stay. Plus movie studios see the opportunity to remaster back catalog titles and have them on 4K UHD. Some day physical media will fade away but not for the collectors and old school lovers out there. I apologize for being so long however I've seen the change in consumers and music and movie studios have had to change along as well streaming has gotten better. But until old 30-40 year old coaxial cable is replaced with fiber optic physical media will still rain superior not to mention most of the western and other parts of the USA barely has dial-up internet. As a country we are behind technology wise. Hell we do not even have high speed rail. Hopefully we'll get there we have too.
Criterion deserves all of the credit with the concept of special features on LD. The “Banned” Bond commentaries on their three 007 releases are still somewhat legendary.
BluRay is awesome. Still brilliant image quality & good value also. I do buy 4k but for the most part I don't see a lot of titles as worth the inflated price of the upgrade, the leap in quality is not that significant to justify it, in a lot of cases you can barely notice an improvement at all. A lot of the 4k restoration work done even when then downscaled to 1080p still looks superb even without true 4k.
Buy a Dolby Vision HDR TV, sit close to it while watching a classic title (< 2000) on 4K and you will see that 4K will be a day and night difference in the most cases.
@P T The only problem with a projector is that you have to constantly change the aspect ratio to the film your going watch if you're going to have a projector for your home theater. I remember Jeff saying how annoying that got overtime and that was the biggest reason he switched back to 4K TVs. Because You don't to constantly change the aspect ratio with a 4K TV to watch your favorite movies and shows. All you need is 4K blu-ray player.
I agree with these reasons Jeff I still love blurays and try to buy them whenever I can and the picture quality is outstanding for a lot of movies and tv shows and the protective covering on the back makes it even better to have
Great video...Anyone who "seriously" says Bluray sucks obviously never seen a VHS tape or watched 480i TV growing up LOL. I love nostalgia and miss the old days but not when it comes to video/audio quality. Nothing better than seeing an old movie from 70s/8os in Bluray or 4K to marvel at how much better it looks now as opposed to back on my old massive 26 inch 1980's era TV. LOL.
DVDs actually look surprisingly good on a medium sized crt. I'd say there would be almost no reason to upgrade if crts was still a thing. LCD cant handle their non-native resolutions very eell
@@ryllian1idk, my cheap blu ray player and old 1080p lcd tv handle the 480p dvd video very well. i think the player is more important because playing the same dvds on something like the xbox360 will not rescale as good. even better, with the right size tv and distance, resolution becomes less apparent. too close and you can see aliasing. to big a tv and you can see the pixels. there's a sweet spot for hig fidelity viewing, and it's not hard to get.
@@omnitoneI presume you use a small TV and/or sit far away from the TV. On a modern display DVD does not hold a candle to bluray. But on a smaller CRT dvd look great still. I do not agree with the player. I got a top of the line player 4k player (panasonic 9000) and dvds do not look very impressive on my 55 inch oled. I do sit close fairly to the TV and I dont have any intention to sit across the room just for dvds to look slightly better.
Of all the physical media formats, Blu Ray is definitely my favorite. Getting all of my favorite films in 1080p with tons of bonus features makes me extremely happy.
@MrMark1 Yep. I bought a Panasonic UB-420 4K Blu-ray player specifically for its fantastic upscaling features. It made my 480p and 720p DVDs look very good as well.
I love that I can share my physicals with my friends who haven't seen certain films and don't want to rent them or get streaming services just to watch that one film. Doing so has also encouraged someone I know to start collecting physical media.
I think one of the overlooked features of Blu ray discs that are an improvement over DVD was the correct frame rate resulting the correct pacing of a film. DVD's are 25 fps as opposed to 24 fps. Though at a glance this doesn't look like much but makes a big difference especially if you are watching a longer film like a Lord of the Rings film or The Dark Knight.
James Roofe is a wholesome guy, a great dad and he saved me from the dark times. Unfortunately, he's a bit tech illiterate, and his Blu-ray video was awful. Props to you for finding out the courage to set the record straight, and hopefully the Bimmaniacs (aka cinemassacre diehard fans) won't eat you alive.
Agree... half of the things on the list is specific to using your PS3 when watching blurays and most of things are quite specific to mainstream bare releases. James has studied movies, he works with doing movies and it's his biggest interest as well. Can't fathom why such a guy seem to prefer watching DVDs on a PS3 while not liking blurays, not buying boutique releases and being very sceptic to 4K.
@@rogerh2625 I think a lot of it is he has a very “Boomer” mentality. Don’t forget this is the same guy who views VHS as the Holy Grail of home video formats.
@@psychomoth06 The "Top 10 Reasons Blu-ray Sucks - Cinemassacre" video was him trashing on physical media, even though the "VHS Memories and What Nostalgia Means to Me - Cinemassacre" video uploaded nearly 2 years later kind of felt like a love letter to physical media. Contradiction much? Ah yes, James Rolfe, hating on Blu-ray, but he's still stuck in the days of VHS tapes.
@@psychomoth06 Imo that's a very strange mentality to have as a movie buff. Why wouldn't you want to see a movie in the best available quality possible? And even more so as a film maker. How many film makers want their movies to bee seen on a VHS tape on a 4:3 17" CRT TV?
@@rogerh2625 Surely not me. I remember when I was a kid I saw Alien on cable on a 4:3 tv back in 1991 and wasn't all that impressed. 25 years later I saw it on blu ray on my plasma 720p 55 inch tv and I thought it was amazing.
I own about 1500 titles on Blu-ray and over 125 titles on 4K and I love BOTH formats. I don't moan or groan when a title is ONLY released on Blu-ray. It's still an excellent format.
Hugely agree. For a physical collector of even a fairly modest collection, 1080 Blu is likely to forever be the bulk of their discs. I only have a library of 300 & barely 20% of my collection has moved to 4K. If I bought everything in my BD collection on 4K that’s currently available, it still wouldn’t top about 25%. Most passionate collectors have a larger library than mine, & many far, far larger. 1080 Blu is always going to be the bulk of a collection - that alone (& there are other reasons) makes them important.
All of the old movies on film, especially the old highly flammable film stock are at risk constantly of being lost. We definitely need the digital aspect to protect and preserve the massive catalogue of films. I have no idea what the actual number of films created all time is, but I am sure it is over a million films worldwide. So there are probably tens of thousands of films at severe risk of being gone. We need both digital and physical to protect the film library of the world. On a side note, my experience is blu rays don’t handle damage or scratches as well as dvds. Meaning, they may be a lot harder to scratch. However, they don’t handle errors and recover well. If they have any scratches, they tend to pixelate and totally freeze. Having to shut off the player and restart it. Whereas, dvds tend to recover and move past these disc errors. They won’t play the damaged area. But they can continue on. Especially I have noticed this on my Panasonic and Sony players.
Not sure what the number is, but 50% of them have already been lost apparently. 90% of silent films have been lost. The medium is young and the losses are already as big as far more ancient mediums.
@@brucewayne1662 what a shame we have lost so many. There may be some real hidden jewels in there. Or culturally significant material. I know it is a race against time, they are losing. But I hope eventually they can save most of what may remain right now. 🤷♂️
At 2:10, actually the laserdisc format was the one that introduced special features to the world especially the more expensive box sets or the Criterions, that's where it all started. Then VHS started putting special features on retail tapes in a desperate attempt to compete with LD/DVD (that's why you saw so many widescreen VHS tapes back then) in the mid to late 90's at the end of VHS's lifespan, so the special features thing was going on way before DVD came around. DVD just made it more common with average consumers.
Great video. I’m a big physical media proponent and a 1080p fan! The biggest change from VHS to DVD that I cherished was movies being properly presented in the original aspect ratio!
Agreed 100%. Would also be cool to have the option to get 4k discs solo and not with the blu ray version anymore. Anyone like me with a 1,000+ Blu-rays feels like we're paying double when getting the 4k variant, since good chance is we already own the individual Blu-ray and don't have use for the additional disc. Seems like a handy excuse to charge $15 extra and end up with hundreds of doubles that you don't need.
On Blu-ray there is a pop up menu, you can select your favourite scenes, language and subtitles and special features with out ever leaving the movie, it’s a lot more easier on Blu-ray than VHS and DVD ever had, there is also BD Live.
Agree with all your points. And as someone that just today bought The Hurt Locker on 4k Blu ray and Top Gun on remastered Blu ray with Dolby Atmos, Blu ray does not and will never suck.
Finally, there is someone out there that's smart enough to skewered James Rolfe's awful and lazy rant on Blu-rays! They deserve a lot of respect with HD content on movies and TV shows with extras to own! I'm proud to be a collector on physical media through any format like VHS, DVD, 4K and of course, Blu-rays. As well as those who own Laserdisc, Betas and even HD DVDs. Also, Blu-rays were the first ones that had combo packs with DVD before 4K UHD did those with Blu-rays.
Yes. Although, The first Blu-ray that had a DVD included in a cardboard sleeve was "Sleeping Beauty" (Which was also the first Disney classic that ever released on the format under the "Platinum Edition" label).
Agree... half of the things on the list is specific to using your PS3 when watching blurays and most of things are quite specific to mainstream bare releases. James has studied movies, he works with doing movies and it's his biggest interest as well. Can't fathom why such a guy seem to prefer watching DVDs on a PS3 while not liking blurays, not buying boutique releases and being very sceptic to 4K.
@@iamsean92 That's not what I meant. I meant that it literally says "DVD+BLU-RAY", whereas blu-ray combos usually have the DVD disc. Overall I meant that my copy of "TS2" is a DVD case WITH a blu-ray disc of the movie. It's pretty much switched is what I meant.
Great video Jeff! I myself have started to pass on the DVDs and am mostly buying Blu-ray and 4Ks now, you really can’t beat the quality. It truly is a night and day difference.
I agree with this channel, but James is right on 1 issue, lack of extra content that the dvds would provide. Nowadays blurays has very few deleted content, commentary, or behind the scenes that I care about
I love Blu-Rays (or physical mediums in general) as for the aforementioned importance of preservation, but as a minimalist it is extremely important to me. I'll explain: 1. I don't actually use or display my Blu Ray/DVD collection, BUT I do however make digital copies of them for private viewing on HTPCs and use the discs as third level backups. 2. As a minimalist, I save a lot of space just having a my massive collection of blu-ray/dvd in storage, and just use one NAS device/usbs for watching thereby preventing wear and tare on the discs. - A lot more convenient as well 3. Don't need to make monthly subscription costs to streaming services as subscriptions can quickly add up and no pressure to watch something just to get my money's worth. 4. No internet costs, can be viewed offline and using good Media library software like Kodi makes my collection very presentable. I just wait and buy whole seasons, and 4K blu-Rays with extras and specials streaming doesn't often provide. Basically even users who are mostly digital, still prefer to have Blu-Ray or physical mediums even if we don't use them.
I do love Blu-ray for the extras. It’s very annoying to purchase a digital download with no extras or only half the extras that’s only included in the Blu-ray. 📀
I have many blu-ray disks because I don't want to pay for a streaming service to watch that movie only to have buy another streaming service when the movie leaves one service and goes to another. Also in my experience steaming services tend to degrade the image particularly in the somewhat shadowed areas of the frame. One instance of this in "Hunter Killer" at approximately 6:36 is a scene where the captain is standing with a lot of backlighting from the sky. It looked great on the blu-ray but streaming darkened the captain's face so much it was unacceptable. Also with blu-ray you can FF or Rev smoothly and at a sane speed. Extras about the movie are sometimes available on blu-ray. Not so with streaming. "Isle of Dogs" has interesting extras about how they made that movie. Without that you might believe the film was CGI but it was all - hand made and beautifully done!
I can't for the life of me understand how DVD hasn't been taken off the market at this point in 2022 and replaced by bluray. Or how it still holds 50% of sales. Bluray doesn't suck at all and that's why I was so hesitant to start collecting 4k cuz there wasn't that noticeable jump always.
I must admit I find it a little baffling myself. The bulk of the market, so we’re told, prefers streaming, & so won’t buy a DVD. As for the physical collectors market, we want BD & 4K. So where is this DVD market?
@@ddc2957 I still prefer to watch movies on physical media than streaming. My old DVD player still works so will be watching a bunch of DVDs this summer. I will be buying more DVDs too.
It still amazes me that there are plenty of movies and especially TV shows that are only available on DVD. Still don't know why they never upgraded to Blu-ray.
When the studios/networks went to video production for shows vs film, there is only an SD master. Granted it will look better on BluRay vs DVD but the improvement will not be that great. Shows from the early 70s, think All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Barney Miller, Threes Company, Doctor Who, etc. were all shot on SD 2" Quad master tapes. The cameras of the era were maybe 600/700 lines in resolution. Plus the problem of interlaced video is always present. The reason many shows can be released on HD is film masters.
I remember some dual layer DVDs there would be a pause in between the layers. Granted that may have been my player which was a PS2/PS3 at the time but I haven't ever seen a Blu ray pause between layers. The digital copies are amazing for convenience when you don't want to take a movie to your friend's house and risk losing it, or just want to watch it while on break at work. Sidenote the wild things 4k Blu ray is one of the best packages I have seen in a while. I love James Rolfe and I understand his frustrations but I do not agree with his take obviously.
@sexy monkey - Godfather I have a DVD copy of _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,_ and it has the most seamless layer change I’ve ever seen on an optical disc format, specifically right after Indy says “All right, Dad. Tell me.” right after the motorcycle chase.
Great video Jeff. Sometimes when I'm watching one of my blu rays I ask myself "do I need to up grade this disc to 4k?" I always do as I want to see my favourite films in the best definition possible. It just goes to show what a shelf life blu rays have. Great video. Loved it!
Spent lot of money upgrading my massive film collection from DVD to Blu Ray for the reasons you stated, unfortunately I still buy DVD’s because a lot of the films I love are not available on Blu Ray
Same here. I only buy new films on Blu-ray. It would take a lot of money and years to replace every DVD I own for Blu-ray. Yesterday I bought Miller’s Crossing on DVD.
@@djgreenhornet2892 today big studios do not care about the past of great films that are not considered classic , especially Film Noir films, It is only like the Film Noir Foundation and Kino, Arrow, T Twilight that are bringing this lost films to rediscover and restoration lit is a really struggle to get available to audiences
Actually, laserdisc introduced bonus features like documentaries, featurettes, photo galleries and audio commentaries among other things when it comes to home video.
Picture quality is far and away the main draw of Blu-ray for me. I'm quite visually impaired and didn't think I'd be able to see any difference from DVD. But there is really no comparison, and no turning back.
Well argued! Two more thoughts; Most modern tvs and projectors upgrade bluray to 4k especially if you have a 4k player. Streaming often show rubbish copies because they do not have access to the remastered blurays. Thanks Martin
With 4K DVD it seems studios are adding some more features to their discs. That said, creativity was higher when it came to DVD menus. I remember the early ones even had alternate camera angles. Never found one that used that feature.
The picture quality of blurays may be better but the packaging looks awful, and the artwork is smaller.Also blurays are pricey in my country in Europe.Wage is about 25 euros per day and bluray cost about 15-22 euros.Dvds cost about 5-13 euros.
Great video , I only disagree with one point you made … as a 44 year old movie fan and collector since VHS days , the biggest leap in format quality to me will always be vhs to DVD , it was just amazing to me , dvd to Bluray was a great jump to but imo not as much WOW as the VHS to DVD jump . Just my 2 cents . Love the videos , well done 👍🏻
Excellent video on presenting the positive aspects & features of the Blu-ray format😀👍👍I Absolutely love the Blu-ray format & physical media!!!! Thanks for the video & the channel!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
When you said it is the biggest leap forward in video quality from DVD to Blu-Ray, very good point. It made me rethink my purchasing choices. Thumbs UP!
I love 4k but I will always collect Blu Ray specifically cause lots of films aren't available in 4k, Blu ray sometimes even has better quality than the 4k, the artwork is awesome and most the time they're really cheap to build your collection
I am a movie collector and I have both blu-rays and DVD's. I have no problem watching a DVD. Sure I can see the quality difference, but it doesn't bother me. I still agree with what you are saying about DVD though, the artwork is often boring, and it takes up more space.
I'm Not sure if they'll still be around when I get there, but if I become a Filmmaker one day, I Want My Films too be released on Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray. I would want people too Own My Films one day, if they like them.
100% agree the Blu-ray format does not suck. With reference to the packing density, there's a second order factor as not only are Blu-ray cases 'less tall' they often are supplied in 8-mm slim cases rather than 14-mm standard cases so more can fit on the shelf. Additionally, the 25/50 GByte capacity can allow for both 2D and 3D versions of some movies, this was not possible on 4.7/8.5 GByte DVDs. An additional factor is the Blu-ray format introduced international versions of films so it is now possible to better compare, for example, the Hitchcock Topas with Topaz, or the two distinct versions of Kubrick's The Shining.
Initially, I resisted Blu-ray, mostly because I had spent so much on DVD and VHS before it, I didn’t want to re-re-buy everything on another format. I used to be a big Disney fan, and they started not putting the extra features on the DVDs around a decade ago and you could only get them on Blu-ray. I grumbled at first, but eventually gave in and soon become happy I did. One of the things I love about Blu-ray is how much more durable the discs are. Anyway, I’ve slowly been replacing my DVD titles where I can to Blu-ray and the only reason I still have DVDs at all are because the title isn’t on Blu-ray. To that end, I wish SD on Blu-ray started getting popular. I agree, some titles, especially older TV shows will probably never get restored to HD, but putting them on Blu-ray would still be a good thing anyway. The discs are better protected and whole TV shows could be placed on just a few discs.
Feels like just yesterday I started buying my first Blu-rays (it was actually around 2010): Let The Right One In was the very first one, Disney titles, Wizard of Oz and of course Avatar. So bizarre, feels so close yet so long ago.
blu-rays are still amazing. HD sharpness and detail wins over DVD's. Great format for labels to release their content along with some great restoration work by labels.
It’s unfortunate that SO so many people blindly consume like lemmings. Streaming…all digital. We live in uncertain times. Because of our political climate, movies get warnings, changes even being removed. Also, you get a better picture with physical media. Lastly, if the company you stream from does things you don’t like, we’ll if you like some of their movies, you’re Still paying them even if they don’t like you or disagree with you. Physical media is a one time deal. You buy the film and it’s Yours. No more streaming, no more supporting corporations that you may or may not like
DVD to Blu-ray was a revelatory quantum jump. Blu-ray to 4k not so much but 4k color is so much richer and deeper. I still shop for Blu-ray deals but for important films it's 4k all the way.
that's exactly my point of view. I watched his video after this one and thought "man...wonder what he's going to point out" and the only thing he pointed out was that he doesn't like static menus (or video static) compared to some dvd movies having CGI menus and then complaining about the cases of the blu ray boutique labels.
Actually, Special Features were mainly introduced during the Laserdisc era. In many cases, there were more Special Features for a movie on the Laserdisc format than it was for the DVD.
11) It is guaranteed to include the original audio stream. You can buy a German Blu Ray, with a stinking rename (Phantom Kommando!) and total unbearable German dubbing, just switch it to English and Arnold still sounds Austrian German, but at least he tries to speak English. 12) The original framerate. DVD's ruined the original to either match PAL or NTSC. With BR it is up to the display to deal with the frame rate. If you want to make a 34 fps movie, go ahead, it will be 34 fps on Blu Ray. 13) easier ripping. MakeMKV is a blast.
Love this segment Jeff. I have tons of Blu-Rays. Finally some good titles that are in DVD are getting released to Blu-Ray. I finally got Ghost Snd The Darkness, one of my all time favourites. Thanks again. Always look forward to your channel 👍🏿🎥🍿🎬📀😊
I buy Blu-ray new releases because they are cheaper than their 4K counterparts. Plus with Blu-ray new releases, it's really to tell the difference between 2K and 4K. And most new Blu-rays are shot in 2K with a 4K restoration anyway, so I see no point in upgrading for new releases. I'm only buying 4K for older films or nature documentaries.
I remember when Sony was first developing BluRay, they showed the disk inside a protective case, which looked sort of like a MiniDisk. I remember being really excited about BluRay after seeing this, but a few months later Sony announced they were ditching the protective covering in favour of a hard-coating that was developed by TDK. Ever since hearing that announcement, I swore that I would never spend a single dime on BluRay, and I've stuck to my word ever since. This may seem petty to some, but I remember this exact same promise was made when both CDs and DVDs were released ... and we all know how that turned out. I couldn't care less if that coating actually worked, I was done with optical media from that point on.
I tried to get a few people to talk about this and rebuttle this ourselves, glad someone finally did. Actually had a few people interested though like Robert Meyer Burnett, but a few didn't want to 'get involved' so I won't say who.
Completely Agree!! However, The only few times that Blu Ray does suck, is when they don't port over features that existed on the previously available 2 disc DVD special editions.
I actually inserted a few dvd's into my Ultra-HD Bluray player some months back and compared the films with the same ones I have either on Bluray or 4K-Ultra HD. Even *upscaled* the image looks compressed, dull and devoid of the dynamic contrast one has become used to. If you have a 65 inch OLED screen the limitations of dvd's is ruthlessly exposed. Nothing less than proper HD will do. And when like you said, when the quality of the *sound* is important anybody who has heard the uncompressed sound of Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio will grin after listening to stock Dolby Digital. The only dvd's I still buy are the cult classic horror films and great international cinema, and that's solely because I can't find them in a better format.
I never got into Blu-rays. I just couldn’t be arsed going out and buying a more expensive Blu-ray player. I also wasn’t bothered about SD or HD so for years after Blu-rays came out I continued to buy DVDs. It wasn’t until this year that I bought my first Blu-ray and the only reason for doing so was because by then I had an Xbox one which can play Blu-rays and also because I was going to a comic con and wanted one of the guests that I was going to meet to sign a copy of one of the movies they were in
If Blu-ray was the best we ever got then my 61 year old eyes would still be happy. I have about 1,600 Blu-ray titles and about 150 4K, I have slowed down on my 4K buying and only purchase them now if some of my all time favorites come out on 4K. There are still many older movies that are only available on DVD so I'm still hoping for those to be released on Blu-ray. I'm still waiting for more of the Elvis movies to come out on Blu-ray. This was a great upload, Jeff.
Blu Ray’s do not suck. The only thing is during the early days of DVD, you got these great packages that seemed like an event, just like laserdiscs. You would have booklets with notes from the director and great artwork. The DVD’s for Fight Club and Moulan Rouge are great examples of that and I wish studios would do that for blu ray and 4K UHD blu ray. But the Boutiques are doing that so they make up for what the major studios don’t do. Great video as always.
Great idea for a video. Even though cases could be even smaller and slimmer. Never enough space. Modern DVDs look outright amazing compared to some older ones. And modern upscaling does a fantastic job. I'm glad since many TV shows and even movies come only on DVD. Thanks 🙏
Even with Blu-ray, you can released older TV shows at 4:3 aspect ratio at either in HD Native or Standard. Depending on Season set or Complete. You can cram about 17 or 18 episodes on a each 50 GB disc or if it's in standard, the whole entire thing in one (unless there are a couple of more seasons on another disc). Mill Creek releases and Discotek Media releases are two examples! I purchased an old series on Nickelodeon that aired in the late 80s called "Grimm's Fairy Tale Classics" and two seasons on two discs can actually fix both the Japanese and English Dubbed Versions together in a total of 575 min and 480 mins! Another reason why I love Blu-rays!
I like DVDs because they are the cheapest way to expand your collection and get some eye candy on the shelves. especially if they are movies you like enough to want access to but not enough to care about quality. Bluray is better but DVDs are comforting in a way because devices capable of playing them are more widespread and prolific that you will always be able to find one.
I primarily collect blu-ray discs if the media is available in blu-ray. My issue with blu-ray is the audio quality. For some reason some films will cut the audio completely during a silent moment and it is very noticeable and distracting.
I think Cinemassacre channel was referring mostly to early blu ray releases where the menus were rather rudimentary. The format has obviously improved tremendously since the early days of the format.
This is part of a comment I made on James's video ~2 years ago: I think it's unwise to advise people to skip Blu-ray. Now sure, for movies that have been shot and mastered on film or 4K+, Ultra HD Blu-ray would obviously be optimal. However, the vast majority of Oscar nominated films in recent years have been filmed on Arri Alexa cameras. Except for the LF, the Mini LF, and the 65, the horizontal resolution of all Arri Alexa cameras are less than 4K. Furthermore, the vertical resolution of most digitally mastered movies is no more than 1080p. Therefore, with regular Blu-ray, you can be almost always assured that the content is not upscaled, thus getting more for each pixel.
I buy pretty much all my movies digitally because I'm always on the move. I recently started buying the 4K Bluray copies for some of my absolute favorite movies I watch again and again such as the Evil Dead movies. Owning then physically and letting friends borrow them is such a good feeling. I also found a niche of buying restored older movies like Dr. Caligari and Nosferatu. I can't wait to move into a new house and build my theatre room.
Jeff!!! Love seeing this!! Blu rays honestly still hold up 16 years later and I still purchase them even with 4Ks and 8Ks out there 🙌 I love Blu Rays because HD is still an amazing quality to have for movies. Some movies are absolutely great in 4K but sometimes the colors can be too saturated or strong for the screen. Not picking on 4Ks as they are still absolutely in high demand but Blu Rays are still special 🙌 Very happy to keep supporting physical media to preserve their importance! 🎥🎬
I really enjoy this channel. as well as your commentary. Blu-rays are definitely the way to go. I've been collecting Dvds since 2001, and have nearly replaced every film I own on Blu-ray. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing more videos. For the home video history, you should make one of "The Howling"
My Panasonic 4k blu-ray player does a brilliant job of upscaling blu-rays, and I'm more impressed by that than I am about 4k discs. So unless I really like a movie, I'll stick to blu-rays.
3:17 "Well on Bluray, that's often not the case" That's right, because the Bluray version will often have NO special features while the DVD was jampacked with them.
Great video, and you also make some very valid points. Obviously the sound and picture quality with Blu-ray and 4k Blu-ray are unmatched and far superior without question. But when it comes to packaging, special features, interactive menus, etc DVDs in most cases were so much better and had so much more personality. Its part of the reason why I still collect both. (not because I'm a media hoarder) There are definitely exceptions to the rule like the Criterion Collection and Arrow Blu-rays but by and large the packaging and menus are generic and lazy. I would love to see more Blu-rays have the personality that DVDs used to all while keeping the superior viewing experience and superior format capacity and durability. There's no reason why we couldn't have the charm of DVDs with the quality of Blu-ray if more studios and production companies cared more. Either way, Long live physical media!
I love James/Cinemassacre and his video! This is all in fun - but I think they’re still good reasons!
I love him too, but his Bluray Sucks video was the dumbest thing he ever released. Pretty much eliminated any credibility he had with me and anyone who stumbles across his video. If he was smart, he'd delete it. I don't buy DVD unless I'm forced. I agree he's trying to be funny, but he sounds like noob from Battlefield Friends complaining about teh graphics on PC compared to console.
I just recently got back into collecting physical. There is a Bookoff near me that sells all DVDs for $1. From time to time they have Blu Ray for $1 each as well. I would love to go with BR every time, but the price is too good to pass up when DVDs are a buck each! I have about 80 of them so far. Some of these I purchased back in 2000-2003 for like $25!
You are a cool dude. Thank you for respecting James's opinion.
Great idea Jeff
Can you please talk about the Vestron Blu-ray collection? I think there are 26 of them now. Budget like but I like them
With physical media, you get to keep the movie forever. If a streaming service loses the rights to the movie, too bad. I only use streaming to watch movies in genres that I’m only mildly interested in. I also think if one has a physical media collection, they can pass their collection on to the next generation. Your kids will know what kind of movies you were into. They won’t know if you stream everything.
Same here. I usually rent a newer movie on stream to see if it’s worth buying it for $30 on the 4k Blu-ray.
Agreed.
Also, streaming doesn't have every movie.
It seems the only reason I stream is because I already own the movie, and I'm lazy to get up. 😝
@@dominicarroyo6269 I do the same thing
I find there are a lot of blu rays of films that you cannot find anywhere to stream or their quality is bad. Foreign films for example or horror films.
What about disc rot?
As a graphic designer, I loved creating DVD menus in Photoshop and creating/adding motion/special effects in After Effects. Bluray has boring menus.
I hate the menu on Sony 4K blu-rays like "Fury" and "Step Brothers." They're slides.
So is it literally not possible to make those menus for Bluray? I figured it was, just studios stopped caring.
@@toploaded2078Cars, of all movies, showed me that Blu-ray is quite capable of putting out a good movie menu.
That's what makes Blu-ray superior. I put the disc in to watch the movie, not look at the menus. I couldn't care less what the menu looks like, I just want a menu that loads quickly, responds quickly to my inputs, doesn't waste time with animations, lets me watch the movie as quickly as possible. Slow overly animated DVD menus that keep me from the movie for longer than they should suck, and I'm glad they're gone.
@@mjc0961The fact that Blu-ray can have a live menu during the film also makes it superior. DVD menus were cool, but some had obnoxiously long intros and unintuitive menus.
Having a collection of your favorite movies to not only watch in high quality but also to display/share your tastes with your friends is so fun. Sure, there’s Letterboxd and stuff, but it’s so much better to physically explore someone else’s collections
Can confirm as someone who is generally pretty socially awkward, I love having people over and getting to show of how eclectic my film collection is
Brother I just started collecting two years ago, I wish there was a place specifically for seeing other people's collections.
I love movies. Always have. But never knew how to treat my own belongings as a kid so nothing survived. Also moved alot. I probably had 60,000 worth of Yu-Gi-Oh cards too. Lost those as well.
Five years ago I gave away a complete collection of aqua teen hunger force', not knowing it's value 😂
Most of my friends are in awe of my collection, not just for it's size butthe amount of strange and obscure titles included in it; both good AND bad. My mother is constantly batching that I should stop buying any more discs as I couldn't possibly watch all the ones I have now. That's not the point. I have already seen many of them and even if I never watch certain titles again or even at all, I still have the ability to do so if I choose.
@@LordPuki0001 when my mum started questioning my collecting, I bought her the 'little house on the prairie' complete series box set.
What about keeping blu ray rips in an external HDD?
I love Blu-ray Discs. I'm still relatively new to 4K Blu-rays because I want the transfer to justify the purchase, and I'm selective about which ones I buy. But Blu-rays are great.
@P T can you hook up a DVD and Bluray player to a projector?
@P T How's the cases for bluray? I still think DVD would of been very popular today and even compete with streaming if it wasn't for the annoying and hard to open cases along with not being able skip or FF the beginning screens in a movie. On bluray can you skip or FF the beginning screens?
@@youtuberyoutuber2495 nah its just how cheap dvds feel compared to bluray, they scratch so easily and have a really distinct smell from the case in the cheapest plastic they can find
Is it a bad thing to still collect DVDs in this day of age?, because while I do Collect Blu-Ray & 4Ks here and their, I tend to buy DVDs more often than I do buying Blu-Rays & 4Ks
@Max Tubb I tend to buy blu-ray most of the time. But I will only buy 4Ks for older movies and DVDs if I can't find a blu-ray of it.
1. Film Preservation.
2. Special features galore.
3. Durability
4. Boutique Labels (Arrow Video, Scream Factory, Vinegar Syndrome, etc.)
5. Space savings.
6. Badass artwork.
7. Lossless audio.
8. HD video.
9. More digital codes.
10. Blu-Ray is for collectors and enthusiasts.
My favorite aspect is how durable Blu-rays are, so many of my DVDs got either scratched or cracked in the middle ring, but I haven’t had any issues like this with 99% or so of my Blu-rays.
I think both of you are right. I miss the robust special features and creative menus on DVD, but the quality of the actual content on bluray is obviously better.
I think Anchor Bay was the Scream Factory of the DVD era.
Agreed.
I still collect on BluRay due to the price gap with 4K and my budget. I recently purchased The Batman on BluRay and was blown away by how much better the 1080p disc looked and sounded when compared with a 4K stream. The colour palette, dynamic lighting, fluidity of motion were all drastically improved and the Dolby Atmos sound through my 7.1 surround headphones was incredibly immersive. I still love my standard BluRays.
No doubt, blu-ray is still great. When it comes to upgrading, blu-ray is almost always an automatic for me but 4k is just case by case.
Same. The vast majority of modern encodes on blurays and the picture and sound quality is perfectly acceptable. I only upgrade to 4K if their 1080p version has a bad transfer or it's a film I really, really like.
Same. Most modern films have a 2K finish and , at times, it is enough (particularly the last two Avengers films) Hell even some old films I’m sticking with blu ray such as The Thing, Robocop.
yup
Good example, the ofp criterion The Man Who Fell to Earth is superior to Canalstudio's 4kuhd.Totally agree especially with recent 4kuhd problems.
@Ryan Kitchen I'm only going to buy 4K with older films. Newer films on Blu-ray and 4K look so identical it's hard tell the difference between 2K and 4K.
I agree 100% in my background of 35 years working in Retail Management I have had experience with this very topic.
Back in the day when all we had as consumers was retail music/video stores to purchase whatever new releases had come out we went to one of the many stores to make these purchases. One of the companies I managed was a Sam Goody/Musicland Group store in the new malls Simon Properties built in downtown Indianapolis,Indiana. They had many locations but VHS and Laser Disc were the primary video formats at that time. After 6 years of working with them I left the company and went to work as a Manager for Blockbuster Music. I was fortunate to be one of the Managers who was responsible for ordering inventory, special orders, etc. As a movie buff and lover of Home Theater in the early days I always kept up on A/V equipment and formats, ie: Cassettes, CD's, Vinyl, Mini-Disc, VHS, and a new format DVD. I could only order a handful of titles then mostly from Warner Brothers. I told my Store Manager DVD will replace VHS and eventually of course it did. DVD started taking off even though DVD players were $500-$600 dollars. I remember some of my friends saying it will die just like Laser Disc.(Not likely I said) Fast forward to PS3 console comes out and Blu-ray players as well HD was born. After 5 years with the Music division of Blockbuster the company decided to sell off the chain of 400 locations to a company called Wherehouse Ent. Ultimately the new company did evaluations of stores that were doing well and the ones who didn't.
I got wind my store was going to be closing so I left and two days later I started with the video division of Blockbuster and stayed for five and half years. Blockbuster wasted no time buying everything they could on Blu-ray it was great. The partnership Blockbuster had with movie studios was strong and that's how they had so many new releases. After over ten years with Blockbuster I left for a job offer I couldn't refuse and it was out of retail. The crazy part is I knew about Netflix back then and there mail DVD program. Blockbuster tried the same thing. He'll Blockbuster even had the opportunity to purchase Netflix and turned it down. That was a mistake even before the public knew about streaming service Netflix was working on. I believe it could have saved Blockbuster. So many people think it was Netflix that brought down Blockbuster, but it was not. It was a bad financial deal the VIACOM put Blockbuster in. VIACOM wanted to buy Paramount pictures and they leverage Blockbuster to buy it. When the markets started tanking in 2007, 2008, 2009 it started to take a toll on Blockbuster. Sure was a great company to work for.
As time went on a new format came out 4K UHD BLU-RAY which I have to say is as to date the best format of physical media has. Yes you can purchase a 4K UHD player or now with next generation game console PS5 or Xbox and get the best of both worlds. In my opinion. Until these next generation consoles run there course physical media is here to stay. Plus movie studios see the opportunity to remaster back catalog titles and have them on 4K UHD. Some day physical media will fade away but not for the collectors and old school lovers out there. I apologize for being so long however I've seen the change in consumers and music and movie studios have had to change along as well streaming has gotten better. But until old 30-40 year old coaxial cable is replaced with fiber optic physical media will still rain superior not to mention most of the western and other parts of the USA barely has dial-up internet. As a country we are behind technology wise. Hell we do not even have high speed rail.
Hopefully we'll get there we have too.
Criterion deserves all of the credit with the concept of special features on LD. The “Banned” Bond commentaries on their three 007 releases are still somewhat legendary.
BluRay is awesome. Still brilliant image quality & good value also. I do buy 4k but for the most part I don't see a lot of titles as worth the inflated price of the upgrade, the leap in quality is not that significant to justify it, in a lot of cases you can barely notice an improvement at all. A lot of the 4k restoration work done even when then downscaled to 1080p still looks superb even without true 4k.
110% agree. The leap from dvd to blu ray was a massive upgrade but 4K is slight in most cases.
Buy a Dolby Vision HDR TV, sit close to it while watching a classic title (< 2000) on 4K and you will see that 4K will be a day and night difference in the most cases.
4k is awesome. Very noticeable. It’s like putting your blu ray in the gym.
@P T The only problem with a projector is that you have to constantly change the aspect ratio to the film your going watch if you're going to have a projector for your home theater. I remember Jeff saying how annoying that got overtime and that was the biggest reason he switched back to 4K TVs. Because You don't to constantly change the aspect ratio with a 4K TV to watch your favorite movies and shows. All you need is 4K blu-ray player.
I noticed the biggest difference in 4k uhd movies that were actually shot on movie film.
I agree with these reasons Jeff I still love blurays and try to buy them whenever I can and the picture quality is outstanding for a lot of movies and tv shows and the protective covering on the back makes it even better to have
Great video...Anyone who "seriously" says Bluray sucks obviously never seen a VHS tape or watched 480i TV growing up LOL. I love nostalgia and miss the old days but not when it comes to video/audio quality. Nothing better than seeing an old movie from 70s/8os in Bluray or 4K to marvel at how much better it looks now as opposed to back on my old massive 26 inch 1980's era TV. LOL.
DVDs actually look surprisingly good on a medium sized crt. I'd say there would be almost no reason to upgrade if crts was still a thing. LCD cant handle their non-native resolutions very eell
I had a 19 inch black and white Tv set when I was growing up...
Anyone who thinks Blu Ray sucks wasn't around Before DVD or even VHS
@@ryllian1idk, my cheap blu ray player and old 1080p lcd tv handle the 480p dvd video very well. i think the player is more important because playing the same dvds on something like the xbox360 will not rescale as good. even better, with the right size tv and distance, resolution becomes less apparent. too close and you can see aliasing. to big a tv and you can see the pixels. there's a sweet spot for hig fidelity viewing, and it's not hard to get.
@@omnitoneI presume you use a small TV and/or sit far away from the TV. On a modern display DVD does not hold a candle to bluray. But on a smaller CRT dvd look great still. I do not agree with the player. I got a top of the line player 4k player (panasonic 9000) and dvds do not look very impressive on my 55 inch oled. I do sit close fairly to the TV and I dont have any intention to sit across the room just for dvds to look slightly better.
Of all the physical media formats, Blu Ray is definitely my favorite. Getting all of my favorite films in 1080p with tons of bonus features makes me extremely happy.
not sure if you've done it yet, but buy a 4k UHD player which upscales normal blu rays to 4k. They look even better!
Yes😊
@MrMark1 Yep. I bought a Panasonic UB-420 4K Blu-ray player specifically for its fantastic upscaling features. It made my 480p and 720p DVDs look very good as well.
I love that I can share my physicals with my friends who haven't seen certain films and don't want to rent them or get streaming services just to watch that one film. Doing so has also encouraged someone I know to start collecting physical media.
I think one of the overlooked features of Blu ray discs that are an improvement over DVD was the correct frame rate resulting the correct pacing of a film. DVD's are 25 fps as opposed to 24 fps. Though at a glance this doesn't look like much but makes a big difference especially if you are watching a longer film like a Lord of the Rings film or The Dark Knight.
In Europe (PAL) DVDs are 25 FPS but the US (NTSC) they are 30 FPS.
Really good video Jeff. Long live physical media, I collected vhs, laserdisc( the money I spent!) DVD and blu ray. All the best.
James Roofe is a wholesome guy, a great dad and he saved me from the dark times. Unfortunately, he's a bit tech illiterate, and his Blu-ray video was awful. Props to you for finding out the courage to set the record straight, and hopefully the Bimmaniacs (aka cinemassacre diehard fans) won't eat you alive.
Agree... half of the things on the list is specific to using your PS3 when watching blurays and most of things are quite specific to mainstream bare releases. James has studied movies, he works with doing movies and it's his biggest interest as well. Can't fathom why such a guy seem to prefer watching DVDs on a PS3 while not liking blurays, not buying boutique releases and being very sceptic to 4K.
@@rogerh2625 I think a lot of it is he has a very “Boomer” mentality. Don’t forget this is the same guy who views VHS as the Holy Grail of home video formats.
@@psychomoth06 The "Top 10 Reasons Blu-ray Sucks - Cinemassacre" video was him trashing on physical media, even though the "VHS Memories and What Nostalgia Means to Me - Cinemassacre" video uploaded nearly 2 years later kind of felt like a love letter to physical media. Contradiction much? Ah yes, James Rolfe, hating on Blu-ray, but he's still stuck in the days of VHS tapes.
@@psychomoth06 Imo that's a very strange mentality to have as a movie buff. Why wouldn't you want to see a movie in the best available quality possible? And even more so as a film maker. How many film makers want their movies to bee seen on a VHS tape on a 4:3 17" CRT TV?
@@rogerh2625 Surely not me. I remember when I was a kid I saw Alien on cable on a 4:3 tv back in 1991 and wasn't all that impressed. 25 years later I saw it on blu ray on my plasma 720p 55 inch tv and I thought it was amazing.
I own about 1500 titles on Blu-ray and over 125 titles on 4K and I love BOTH formats. I don't moan or groan when a title is ONLY released on Blu-ray. It's still an excellent format.
It sucks that Possession with Gwyneth Paltrow isn't on Bluray.
That must have cost you at least $10,000 - $15,000.
@@SumDumGy Depends if he bought new or used.
@Jeffrey Kaufmann But Possession with Jeffery Dean Morgan is on blu-ray.
Sounds like a hoarder problem
Hugely agree. For a physical collector of even a fairly modest collection, 1080 Blu is likely to forever be the bulk of their discs. I only have a library of 300 & barely 20% of my collection has moved to 4K. If I bought everything in my BD collection on 4K that’s currently available, it still wouldn’t top about 25%.
Most passionate collectors have a larger library than mine, & many far, far larger. 1080 Blu is always going to be the bulk of a collection - that alone (& there are other reasons) makes them important.
All of the old movies on film, especially the old highly flammable film stock are at risk constantly of being lost. We definitely need the digital aspect to protect and preserve the massive catalogue of films. I have no idea what the actual number of films created all time is, but I am sure it is over a million films worldwide. So there are probably tens of thousands of films at severe risk of being gone. We need both digital and physical to protect the film library of the world.
On a side note, my experience is blu rays don’t handle damage or scratches as well as dvds. Meaning, they may be a lot harder to scratch. However, they don’t handle errors and recover well. If they have any scratches, they tend to pixelate and totally freeze. Having to shut off the player and restart it. Whereas, dvds tend to recover and move past these disc errors. They won’t play the damaged area. But they can continue on. Especially I have noticed this on my Panasonic and Sony players.
Not sure what the number is, but 50% of them have already been lost apparently. 90% of silent films have been lost. The medium is young and the losses are already as big as far more ancient mediums.
@@brucewayne1662 what a shame we have lost so many. There may be some real hidden jewels in there. Or culturally significant material. I know it is a race against time, they are losing. But I hope eventually they can save most of what may remain right now. 🤷♂️
At 2:10, actually the laserdisc format was the one that introduced special features to the world especially the more expensive box sets or the Criterions, that's where it all started. Then VHS started putting special features on retail tapes in a desperate attempt to compete with LD/DVD (that's why you saw so many widescreen VHS tapes back then) in the mid to late 90's at the end of VHS's lifespan, so the special features thing was going on way before DVD came around. DVD just made it more common with average consumers.
Couldn't agree more 👏 👌 was just about to type up the same points.
I too was about to write this, but decided to look if anyone already had mentioned it.
It’s obvious he didn’t grow up with laserdiscs. I think he was a little toddler at that time.
@@RRK1965 Probably.
VHH was a thing until 2007.
Wait, is this a direct reply to James Rolfes video claiming that they do? That would hilarious lol. I only collect Blu and 4k. :)
It is! I do love James though so this is all in fun!
Answered within the first minutes of the video lol
@Josh Allen No, I'm out getting my haircut but plan to asap. Thanks :)
@@bengrimm_up_all_night Good deal, I'm out and getting a haircut and I'm excited to see it. Thanks. :)
Great video. I’m a big physical media proponent and a 1080p fan! The biggest change from VHS to DVD that I cherished was movies being properly presented in the original aspect ratio!
Agreed 100%. Would also be cool to have the option to get 4k discs solo and not with the blu ray version anymore. Anyone like me with a 1,000+ Blu-rays feels like we're paying double when getting the 4k variant, since good chance is we already own the individual Blu-ray and don't have use for the additional disc. Seems like a handy excuse to charge $15 extra and end up with hundreds of doubles that you don't need.
On Blu-ray there is a pop up menu, you can select your favourite scenes, language and subtitles and special features with out ever leaving the movie, it’s a lot more easier on Blu-ray than VHS and DVD ever had, there is also BD Live.
Agree with all your points. And as someone that just today bought The Hurt Locker on 4k Blu ray and Top Gun on remastered Blu ray with Dolby Atmos, Blu ray does not and will never suck.
Finally, there is someone out there that's smart enough to skewered James Rolfe's awful and lazy rant on Blu-rays! They deserve a lot of respect with HD content on movies and TV shows with extras to own! I'm proud to be a collector on physical media through any format like VHS, DVD, 4K and of course, Blu-rays. As well as those who own Laserdisc, Betas and even HD DVDs. Also, Blu-rays were the first ones that had combo packs with DVD before 4K UHD did those with Blu-rays.
I have a copy of "TOY STORY 2" on DVD which is a combo pack with the blu-ray disc. Was that like a very early thing as blu-ray was new at the time?
Yes. Although, The first Blu-ray that had a DVD included in a cardboard sleeve was "Sleeping Beauty" (Which was also the first Disney classic that ever released on the format under the "Platinum Edition" label).
@@stefanpoirier6810 many blu rays still come with a dvd.
Agree... half of the things on the list is specific to using your PS3 when watching blurays and most of things are quite specific to mainstream bare releases. James has studied movies, he works with doing movies and it's his biggest interest as well. Can't fathom why such a guy seem to prefer watching DVDs on a PS3 while not liking blurays, not buying boutique releases and being very sceptic to 4K.
@@iamsean92 That's not what I meant. I meant that it literally says "DVD+BLU-RAY", whereas blu-ray combos usually have the DVD disc. Overall I meant that my copy of "TS2" is a DVD case WITH a blu-ray disc of the movie. It's pretty much switched is what I meant.
Great video Jeff! I myself have started to pass on the DVDs and am mostly buying Blu-ray and 4Ks now, you really can’t beat the quality. It truly is a night and day difference.
I agree with this channel, but James is right on 1 issue, lack of extra content that the dvds would provide. Nowadays blurays has very few deleted content, commentary, or behind the scenes that I care about
Most of the Blu-rays I bought are bare with special features.
I love Blu-Rays (or physical mediums in general) as for the aforementioned importance of preservation, but as a minimalist it is extremely important to me. I'll explain:
1. I don't actually use or display my Blu Ray/DVD collection, BUT I do however make digital copies of them for private viewing on HTPCs and use the discs as third level backups.
2. As a minimalist, I save a lot of space just having a my massive collection of blu-ray/dvd in storage, and just use one NAS device/usbs for watching thereby preventing wear and tare on the discs. - A lot more convenient as well
3. Don't need to make monthly subscription costs to streaming services as subscriptions can quickly add up and no pressure to watch something just to get my money's worth.
4. No internet costs, can be viewed offline and using good Media library software like Kodi makes my collection very presentable.
I just wait and buy whole seasons, and 4K blu-Rays with extras and specials streaming doesn't often provide.
Basically even users who are mostly digital, still prefer to have Blu-Ray or physical mediums even if we don't use them.
I do love Blu-ray for the extras. It’s very annoying to purchase a digital download with no extras or only half the extras that’s only included in the Blu-ray. 📀
I have many blu-ray disks because I don't want to pay for a streaming service to watch that movie only to have buy another streaming service when the movie leaves one service and goes to another. Also in my experience steaming services tend to degrade the image particularly in the somewhat shadowed areas of the frame. One instance of this in "Hunter Killer" at approximately 6:36 is a scene where the captain is standing with a lot of backlighting from the sky. It looked great on the blu-ray but streaming darkened the captain's face so much it was unacceptable.
Also with blu-ray you can FF or Rev smoothly and at a sane speed. Extras about the movie are sometimes available on blu-ray. Not so with streaming. "Isle of Dogs" has interesting extras about how they made that movie. Without that you might believe the film was CGI but it was all - hand made and beautifully done!
That infomercial demo of how dvds don’t fit as good as blu rays was excellent😂
James couldn't even work his PS3 in that video lol
I can't for the life of me understand how DVD hasn't been taken off the market at this point in 2022 and replaced by bluray. Or how it still holds 50% of sales. Bluray doesn't suck at all and that's why I was so hesitant to start collecting 4k cuz there wasn't that noticeable jump always.
I must admit I find it a little baffling myself. The bulk of the market, so we’re told, prefers streaming, & so won’t buy a DVD. As for the physical collectors market, we want BD & 4K. So where is this DVD market?
@@ddc2957 I still prefer to watch movies on physical media than streaming. My old DVD player still works so will be watching a bunch of DVDs this summer. I will be buying more DVDs too.
It still amazes me that there are plenty of movies and especially TV shows that are only available on DVD. Still don't know why they never upgraded to Blu-ray.
When the studios/networks went to video production for shows vs film, there is only an SD master. Granted it will look better on BluRay vs DVD but the improvement will not be that great. Shows from the early 70s, think All in the Family, Sanford and Son, Barney Miller, Threes Company, Doctor Who, etc. were all shot on SD 2" Quad master tapes. The cameras of the era were maybe 600/700 lines in resolution. Plus the problem of interlaced video is always present. The reason many shows can be released on HD is film masters.
the bigger issue is shows being made today that only get a DVD release
what's the point
The average member of the public doesn't care about a higher resolution
I remember some dual layer DVDs there would be a pause in between the layers. Granted that may have been my player which was a PS2/PS3 at the time but I haven't ever seen a Blu ray pause between layers. The digital copies are amazing for convenience when you don't want to take a movie to your friend's house and risk losing it, or just want to watch it while on break at work. Sidenote the wild things 4k Blu ray is one of the best packages I have seen in a while. I love James Rolfe and I understand his frustrations but I do not agree with his take obviously.
The PS2 was not a great dvd player.
@sexy monkey - Godfather I have a DVD copy of _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,_ and it has the most seamless layer change I’ve ever seen on an optical disc format, specifically right after Indy says “All right, Dad. Tell me.” right after the motorcycle chase.
Great video Jeff. Sometimes when I'm watching one of my blu rays I ask myself "do I need to up grade this disc to 4k?" I always do as I want to see my favourite films in the best definition possible. It just goes to show what a shelf life blu rays have. Great video. Loved it!
Spent lot of money upgrading my massive film collection from DVD to Blu Ray for the reasons you stated, unfortunately I still buy DVD’s because a lot of the films I love are not available on Blu Ray
Same here. I only buy new films on Blu-ray. It would take a lot of money and years to replace every DVD I own for Blu-ray. Yesterday I bought Miller’s Crossing on DVD.
@@djgreenhornet2892 today big studios do not care about the past of great films that are not considered classic , especially Film Noir films, It is only like the Film Noir Foundation and Kino, Arrow, T
Twilight that are bringing this lost films to rediscover and restoration lit is a really struggle to get available to audiences
Fifteen years ago we were wondering which hi-def format would win out. Now, we’re defending the quality of BluRay.
Actually, laserdisc introduced bonus features like documentaries, featurettes, photo galleries and audio commentaries among other things when it comes to home video.
Picture quality is far and away the main draw of Blu-ray for me. I'm quite visually impaired and didn't think I'd be able to see any difference from DVD. But there is really no comparison, and no turning back.
Well argued!
Two more thoughts;
Most modern tvs and projectors upgrade bluray to 4k especially if you have a 4k player.
Streaming often show rubbish copies because they do not have access to the remastered blurays.
Thanks Martin
I love James but he was wrong about Blu-ray. Or at least whoever wrote his script.
And yet, you provide nothing to back up your statement.
@@reh3884 Films At Home already said it all for me in his video.
With 4K DVD it seems studios are adding some more features to their discs. That said, creativity was higher when it came to DVD menus. I remember the early ones even had alternate camera angles. Never found one that used that feature.
4K DVD? you mean 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray?
4K DVD what format is that?😂🤡
The only thing I agreed with Cinemassacre on was DVD's inventive, interactive menus.
Here in europe, there are many blu rays with no special stuff at all while the same blu ray in usa is loaded with them.
The picture quality of blurays may be better but the packaging looks awful, and the artwork is smaller.Also blurays are pricey in my country in Europe.Wage is about 25 euros per day and bluray cost about 15-22 euros.Dvds cost about 5-13 euros.
Great video , I only disagree with one point you made … as a 44 year old movie fan and collector since VHS days , the biggest leap in format quality to me will always be vhs to DVD , it was just amazing to me , dvd to Bluray was a great jump to but imo not as much WOW as the VHS to DVD jump . Just my 2 cents . Love the videos , well done 👍🏻
Excellent video on presenting the positive aspects & features of the Blu-ray format😀👍👍I Absolutely love the Blu-ray format & physical media!!!! Thanks for the video & the channel!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
When you said it is the biggest leap forward in video quality from DVD to Blu-Ray, very good point. It made me rethink my purchasing choices. Thumbs UP!
I love 4k but I will always collect Blu Ray specifically cause lots of films aren't available in 4k, Blu ray sometimes even has better quality than the 4k, the artwork is awesome and most the time they're really cheap to build your collection
I am a movie collector and I have both blu-rays and DVD's. I have no problem watching a DVD. Sure I can see the quality difference, but it doesn't bother me. I still agree with what you are saying about DVD though, the artwork is often boring, and it takes up more space.
Always well versed and documented! Thanks for your valuable points of view on the importance of the blu ray format.
I'm Not sure if they'll still be around when I get there, but if I become a Filmmaker one day, I Want My Films too be released on Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray. I would want people too Own My Films one day, if they like them.
100% agree the Blu-ray format does not suck. With reference to the packing density, there's a second order factor as not only are Blu-ray cases 'less tall' they often are supplied in 8-mm slim cases rather than 14-mm standard cases so more can fit on the shelf. Additionally, the 25/50 GByte capacity can allow for both 2D and 3D versions of some movies, this was not possible on 4.7/8.5 GByte DVDs. An additional factor is the Blu-ray format introduced international versions of films so it is now possible to better compare, for example, the Hitchcock Topas with Topaz, or the two distinct versions of Kubrick's The Shining.
Put a blu ray in a 4k player and boom 4k result. Also anyone who can't tell the difference b/w blu ray and 4k need to get their eyes checked
Initially, I resisted Blu-ray, mostly because I had spent so much on DVD and VHS before it, I didn’t want to re-re-buy everything on another format. I used to be a big Disney fan, and they started not putting the extra features on the DVDs around a decade ago and you could only get them on Blu-ray. I grumbled at first, but eventually gave in and soon become happy I did. One of the things I love about Blu-ray is how much more durable the discs are.
Anyway, I’ve slowly been replacing my DVD titles where I can to Blu-ray and the only reason I still have DVDs at all are because the title isn’t on Blu-ray. To that end, I wish SD on Blu-ray started getting popular. I agree, some titles, especially older TV shows will probably never get restored to HD, but putting them on Blu-ray would still be a good thing anyway. The discs are better protected and whole TV shows could be placed on just a few discs.
That Avatar photo you showed us in this video is fake, because Avatar never made it to 4K, so how could you compare "4K" with DVD?
I am still waiting for HD DVD to come back.
Feels like just yesterday I started buying my first Blu-rays (it was actually around 2010): Let The Right One In was the very first one, Disney titles, Wizard of Oz and of course Avatar. So bizarre, feels so close yet so long ago.
blu-rays are still amazing. HD sharpness and detail wins over DVD's. Great format for labels to release their content along with some great restoration work by labels.
Great video! I 100% agree with you. Blu Ray doesn't suck!
It’s unfortunate that SO so many people blindly consume like lemmings. Streaming…all digital.
We live in uncertain times. Because of our political climate, movies get warnings, changes even being removed.
Also, you get a better picture with physical media. Lastly, if the company you stream from does things you don’t like, we’ll if you like some of their movies, you’re Still paying them even if they don’t like you or disagree with you.
Physical media is a one time deal. You buy the film and it’s Yours. No more streaming, no more supporting corporations that you may or may not like
Your argument wins!! Thanks, Jeff!!
DVD to Blu-ray was a revelatory quantum jump. Blu-ray to 4k not so much but 4k color is so much richer and deeper. I still shop for Blu-ray deals but for important films it's 4k all the way.
James just ranted about DVD interactive menus and other gimmicks, BR and 4K are far superior!
that's exactly my point of view. I watched his video after this one and thought "man...wonder what he's going to point out" and the only thing he pointed out was that he doesn't like static menus (or video static) compared to some dvd movies having CGI menus and then complaining about the cases of the blu ray boutique labels.
Boutique labels are thee reason for me, thanks for an excellent rebuttal!!
Actually, Special Features were mainly introduced during the Laserdisc era. In many cases, there were more Special Features for a movie on the Laserdisc format than it was for the DVD.
11) It is guaranteed to include the original audio stream. You can buy a German Blu Ray, with a stinking rename (Phantom Kommando!) and total unbearable German dubbing, just switch it to English and Arnold still sounds Austrian German, but at least he tries to speak English.
12) The original framerate. DVD's ruined the original to either match PAL or NTSC. With BR it is up to the display to deal with the frame rate. If you want to make a 34 fps movie, go ahead, it will be 34 fps on Blu Ray.
13) easier ripping. MakeMKV is a blast.
Love this segment Jeff. I have tons of Blu-Rays. Finally some good titles that are in DVD are getting released to Blu-Ray. I finally got Ghost Snd The Darkness, one of my all time favourites. Thanks again. Always look forward to your channel 👍🏿🎥🍿🎬📀😊
Great video Jeff! I still buy blu rays of newer movies because a lot of them don't have 4k releases.
I buy Blu-ray new releases because they are cheaper than their 4K counterparts. Plus with Blu-ray new releases, it's really to tell the difference between 2K and 4K. And most new Blu-rays are shot in 2K with a 4K restoration anyway, so I see no point in upgrading for new releases. I'm only buying 4K for older films or nature documentaries.
I remember when Sony was first developing BluRay, they showed the disk inside a protective case, which looked sort of like a MiniDisk. I remember being really excited about BluRay after seeing this, but a few months later Sony announced they were ditching the protective covering in favour of a hard-coating that was developed by TDK. Ever since hearing that announcement, I swore that I would never spend a single dime on BluRay, and I've stuck to my word ever since. This may seem petty to some, but I remember this exact same promise was made when both CDs and DVDs were released ... and we all know how that turned out. I couldn't care less if that coating actually worked, I was done with optical media from that point on.
I tried to get a few people to talk about this and rebuttle this ourselves, glad someone finally did. Actually had a few people interested though like Robert Meyer Burnett, but a few didn't want to 'get involved' so I won't say who.
I’m so glad you made this! I’ve also watched that video a few times and enjoyed it despite disagreeing for the most part.
Completely Agree!! However, The only few times that Blu Ray does suck, is when they don't port over features that existed on the previously available 2 disc DVD special editions.
That alone is the companies and studios fault because of either the rights issues or they were too lazy, Disney is one of them.
I actually inserted a few dvd's into my Ultra-HD Bluray player some months back and compared the films with the same ones I have either on Bluray or 4K-Ultra HD. Even *upscaled* the image looks compressed, dull and devoid of the dynamic contrast one has become used to. If you have a 65 inch OLED screen the limitations of dvd's is ruthlessly exposed. Nothing less than proper HD will do. And when like you said, when the quality of the *sound* is important anybody who has heard the uncompressed sound of Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio will grin after listening to stock Dolby Digital.
The only dvd's I still buy are the cult classic horror films and great international cinema, and that's solely because I can't find them in a better format.
I still buy a ton of blue-rays...love em. Excellent video as always man.
I'm very glad you made this. I was waiting for the counter argument for a long time to be honest
I absolutely love my Universal Monsters Collection on blu ray. The 4K version may look better but the packaging on the blu ray is phenomenal
I never got into Blu-rays. I just couldn’t be arsed going out and buying a more expensive Blu-ray player. I also wasn’t bothered about SD or HD so for years after Blu-rays came out I continued to buy DVDs. It wasn’t until this year that I bought my first Blu-ray and the only reason for doing so was because by then I had an Xbox one which can play Blu-rays and also because I was going to a comic con and wanted one of the guests that I was going to meet to sign a copy of one of the movies they were in
If Blu-ray was the best we ever got then my 61 year old eyes would still be happy. I have about 1,600 Blu-ray titles and about 150 4K, I have slowed down on my 4K buying and only purchase them now if some of my all time favorites come out on 4K. There are still many older movies that are only available on DVD so I'm still hoping for those to be released on Blu-ray. I'm still waiting for more of the Elvis movies to come out on Blu-ray. This was a great upload, Jeff.
Blu Ray’s do not suck. The only thing is during the early days of DVD, you got these great packages that seemed like an event, just like laserdiscs. You would have booklets with notes from the director and great artwork. The DVD’s for Fight Club and Moulan Rouge are great examples of that and I wish studios would do that for blu ray and 4K UHD blu ray. But the Boutiques are doing that so they make up for what the major studios don’t do. Great video as always.
Great idea for a video.
Even though cases could be even smaller and slimmer. Never enough space.
Modern DVDs look outright amazing compared to some older ones. And modern upscaling does a fantastic job. I'm glad since many TV shows and even movies come only on DVD.
Thanks 🙏
Even with Blu-ray, you can released older TV shows at 4:3 aspect ratio at either in HD Native or Standard. Depending on Season set or Complete. You can cram about 17 or 18 episodes on a each 50 GB disc or if it's in standard, the whole entire thing in one (unless there are a couple of more seasons on another disc). Mill Creek releases and Discotek Media releases are two examples! I purchased an old series on Nickelodeon that aired in the late 80s called "Grimm's Fairy Tale Classics" and two seasons on two discs can actually fix both the Japanese and English Dubbed Versions together in a total of 575 min and 480 mins! Another reason why I love Blu-rays!
I like DVDs because they are the cheapest way to expand your collection and get some eye candy on the shelves. especially if they are movies you like enough to want access to but not enough to care about quality. Bluray is better but DVDs are comforting in a way because devices capable of playing them are more widespread and prolific that you will always be able to find one.
I primarily collect blu-ray discs if the media is available in blu-ray. My issue with blu-ray is the audio quality. For some reason some films will cut the audio completely during a silent moment and it is very noticeable and distracting.
I think Cinemassacre channel was referring mostly to early blu ray releases where the menus were rather rudimentary. The format has obviously improved tremendously since the early days of the format.
This is part of a comment I made on James's video ~2 years ago:
I think it's unwise to advise people to skip Blu-ray.
Now sure, for movies that have been shot and mastered on film or 4K+, Ultra HD Blu-ray would obviously be optimal.
However, the vast majority of Oscar nominated films in recent years have been filmed on Arri Alexa cameras.
Except for the LF, the Mini LF, and the 65, the horizontal resolution of all Arri Alexa cameras are less than 4K.
Furthermore, the vertical resolution of most digitally mastered movies is no more than 1080p.
Therefore, with regular Blu-ray, you can be almost always assured that the content is not upscaled, thus getting more for each pixel.
I buy pretty much all my movies digitally because I'm always on the move. I recently started buying the 4K Bluray copies for some of my absolute favorite movies I watch again and again such as the Evil Dead movies. Owning then physically and letting friends borrow them is such a good feeling. I also found a niche of buying restored older movies like Dr. Caligari and Nosferatu. I can't wait to move into a new house and build my theatre room.
I remember getting "Showgirls" on DVD. It came in a package that had tassels, shot glasses, a deck of cards, and maybe some other stuff.
Jeff!!! Love seeing this!! Blu rays honestly still hold up 16 years later and I still purchase them even with 4Ks and 8Ks out there 🙌 I love Blu Rays because HD is still an amazing quality to have for movies. Some movies are absolutely great in 4K but sometimes the colors can be too saturated or strong for the screen. Not picking on 4Ks as they are still absolutely in high demand but Blu Rays are still special 🙌 Very happy to keep supporting physical media to preserve their importance! 🎥🎬
I really enjoy this channel. as well as your commentary. Blu-rays are definitely the way to go. I've been collecting Dvds since 2001, and have nearly replaced every film I own on Blu-ray. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing more videos. For the home video history, you should make one of "The Howling"
My Panasonic 4k blu-ray player does a brilliant job of upscaling blu-rays, and I'm more impressed by that than I am about 4k discs. So unless I really like a movie, I'll stick to blu-rays.
3:17 "Well on Bluray, that's often not the case"
That's right, because the Bluray version will often have NO special features while the DVD was jampacked with them.
Great video, and you also make some very valid points.
Obviously the sound and picture quality with Blu-ray and 4k Blu-ray are unmatched and far superior without question. But when it comes to packaging, special features, interactive menus, etc DVDs in most cases were so much better and had so much more personality. Its part of the reason why I still collect both. (not because I'm a media hoarder) There are definitely exceptions to the rule like the Criterion Collection and Arrow Blu-rays but by and large the packaging and menus are generic and lazy. I would love to see more Blu-rays have the personality that DVDs used to all while keeping the superior viewing experience and superior format capacity and durability. There's no reason why we couldn't have the charm of DVDs with the quality of Blu-ray if more studios and production companies cared more.
Either way, Long live physical media!