Although a version of the Enigma had been cracked pre-war by the Poles..the major capture of the Enigma machine and code featured here was in 1941 after U Boat 570 was captured by the British....however as always Hollywood decided to change history in the 2000 movie called U571 whereupon it was the Americans who captured it
One of the breakthroughs was that the Naval Enigma machines had 4 rotors, whereas the rest only had 3 - they suddenly realised that to communicate with the Lufwaffe, for example - they left the 4th rotor 'in neutral', so it was only being used as a 3-rotor machine! They also counted on regular 'cribs' when lazy operators would always sign off with 'HH' (Heil Hitler), as the machine's basic flaw was that a letter could never be encrypted as itself...
The sad thing was that these university educated public school boys focused solely on Turing who though brilliant did not build colosas it was a brilliant telephone engineer, named Tommy Flowers who built it and came up with the idea of reversing the theory so that the valves used were on all the time instead of being switched on when the number they represented was decoded , this allowed the machine to do the billions of calculations needed without continually breaking down , Tommy Flowrrs even had to lie to his family about what he did during the war , until late in life he was able to tell them , his reward a street named after him .
It was said that by the time of D-day and thereafter, the speed of decoding by Bletchley Park was so fast that allied forces knew German intentions, operations and proposed movements before those at the German front line had received them.
I've been to Bletchley Park and it is really fascinating the amount of work and secrecy that went into it, there was about 9000 people who worked there, 75% of them women and not one person ever talked about it after the war. I highly recommend watching the The Imitation Game staring Benedict Cumberbatch which is about Alan Turing and cracking the Enigma Code.
We had to allow the Germans to successfully execute a number of missions to stop them becoming suspicious that we were reading their messages. And still, various leaders are perfectly happy to start something knowing it will result in massive loss of life.
I saw a program on this. They started to crack it when it was noticed that the messages were almost always signed off with the same pattern or number of letters. They worked out what the message was and then that massively reduced the permutations for them.
Bill Tutte. Who you may ask well. He was the guy who managed to create an entire virtual replica of the Lorenz machine never having seen one by using great intuition coupled with brilliant analysis Based upon his analysis the staff at Bletchley created the colossus machine which was used to break the Lorenz codes which was so important in shortening the war Alan Turing devised the computer systems. Tommy Flowers built the ‘bombe’ machines that helped break the enigma codes. It was the Colossus machine which broke the Lorenz codes which were vastly more complex than the Enigma. And were the direct communications between Hitler and his top commanders. The whole story is extremely complex and is way beyond me to explain but there are several very good explanations on RUclips of how the codes were cracked. It’s important to realise the whole process was a team effort and relied on the lowest clerks doing the humblest jobs to produce the top quality results not just a few super boffins One of Bill Tutte’s contemporaries described his breaking the Lorenz code as the single greatest intellectual feat of the 20th century. I am not in a position to try to compare his efforts to those of people like Einstein but he certainly should be up there with people like that and not largely forgotten as he is. Part of the problem is the British governments obsession with secrecy after the war so that most people didn’t tell their story till at least 30 years later. I understand that there are certain elements of the Bletchley story that have still not seen the light of day even now It is unfortunate that simplistic movies like the Imitation game have created the image of Turing as some sort of magician Who single-handedly broke the enemy codes where the story is in fact much much more complex the imitation game is fine as an entertainment Which gives the masses a rough idea of what went on in Bletchley but it is very far from the truth. There are many excellent videos about Bletchley on YT and excellent accounts on Wikipedia et cetera and I advise anybody who is interested to follow this up and if possible visit Bletchley one of the most amazing places I have ever visited If you do go make sure you book on a guided tour because it saves a lot of wandering around in an aimless manner. While I was there a few years ago I was fortunate enough to see both the bombes and the colossus machine in action an incredible sight I spent nearly 6 hours there and found it an incredible experience. To this day I don’t fully understand the exact methods used to create the codes. It’s all beyond my rather limited abilities but nevertheless I find it all absolutely fascinating
Bletchley Park isn’t that far from me. I’ve been a few times and it’s fascinating. The rooms the code breakers worked in were small and probably not very warm. They have a fabulous museum full of old stuff too, recreated rooms showing how people lived back in the day. It’s just awful what happened to Alan Turing it haunts me.
There are two excellent videos on the Numberphile channel that explain how the Enigma machine works and the flaw in the machine that helped crack the codes.
@ennesshay5040 Brilliant point my friend, and incidentally, every single documentary film the great John Pilger made is fantastic: shocking, heartbreaking, empathic, informative, the list goes on...
Orange was a UK telephone company, then of course Apple and Blackberry...the 2 Ronnie's did a great sketch on all the telephone companies in a fruit and veg shop 😂😂
Yeah, I was going to add 'meat on tests and exams' to the list of things people use AI for. Of course, that backfires on students when in situations where they can't use the AI and have to actually think concepts and how to communicate them through entirely themselves.
Britain gave the plans for Colossus to America on the instruction of Churchill and they simply increased it's size and then claimed their ENIAC was the first computer. In fact it was Charles Babbage in 1822 with his difference engine.
There are 3 types of A.I, the Artificially Intelligent (in their own minds) who believe Artificial Intelligence is something more than it actually is or ever will be just Algorithmic Interpretation.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I read somewhere that towards the end of the war it would probably have been faster for German high command to phone Bletchley for the decrypted messages than to manually decrypt them themself, so efficient had they become at doing it.
The worst stories to come from the enigma machine was that many times we had to let the Germans attack knowing it was going to happen, so the Germans did not suspect we had cracked their code. Very brave and brilliant people.
Even more depressing for us, we also developed the first orbital capable rocket system over the same period... and gave it to the Americans again (bankrupted after the effort so couldn't develop it). And extremely depressing for everyone after what happened to Alan Turing... the Gender Identity crowd are currently doing en masse to (mainly gay) children. The grandfather of Gender Identity being the absolute monster that was John Money...
Was waiting for a transphobe to spew misinformation . Thankfully anti trans groups are campaigning against bans on conversion ‘therapy’… Alan Turing would be proud smh
Ah, a couple of misconceptions here. It was widely believed that Turing committed suicide due to his chemical castration and horrid treatment by the British government. However, it turns out that the very day he died he had been experimenting with vaporized states of the poison in question in a poorly-ventilated environment. In fact he was said to be in very good spirits up to that point, although humans are very good at hiding their emotions, so that may be a red herring. As for breaking the codes, doing so was made a bit easier by the fact that the German encoders were reusing the same words to do so over and over. In fact, that has led some to think that the officer in charge of the Abwher (spelling) was a rather disillusioned member of the German military who intentionally carried his duties out in a lax manner.
had the british not kept their computer secret but started a industry and research around it, the world would look different. Instead it was handed on a silver plate to the US, who did just that. But "the first computer" is a very difficult debate. Usually comes with a series of qualifiers (the first mechanical/electronic/programmable... computer.
It's been played out numerous times in war games and everytime Germany lost everytime. Without radar we would've used different tactics in the air but it's the royal navy that destroyed the invasion everytime it was played out with varying scenarios. Way too much myth developed from 1940.
Actually Jodie, Nic IS really funnier than you are, sorry! You are more literal than he is! He is far more open-minded too. You are ok, but a bit I introverted and too religious! Just saying!
Loved the ZX-80 reference. I bought a ZX-81 kit back in the 80s.
My recently passed Nan and her sister both worked at Bletchley during this time.
Although a version of the Enigma had been cracked pre-war by the Poles..the major capture of the Enigma machine and code featured here was in 1941 after U Boat 570 was captured by the British....however as always Hollywood decided to change history in the 2000 movie called U571 whereupon it was the Americans who captured it
One of the breakthroughs was that the Naval Enigma machines had 4 rotors, whereas the rest only had 3 - they suddenly realised that to communicate with the Lufwaffe, for example - they left the 4th rotor 'in neutral', so it was only being used as a 3-rotor machine! They also counted on regular 'cribs' when lazy operators would always sign off with 'HH' (Heil Hitler), as the machine's basic flaw was that a letter could never be encrypted as itself...
@@raycardy4843true, but the vast amount of info came in German weather reports.
The sad thing was that these university educated public school boys focused solely on Turing who though brilliant did not build colosas it was a brilliant telephone engineer, named Tommy Flowers who built it and came up with the idea of reversing the theory so that the valves used were on all the time instead of being switched on when the number they represented was decoded , this allowed the machine to do the billions of calculations needed without continually breaking down , Tommy Flowrrs even had to lie to his family about what he did during the war , until late in life he was able to tell them , his reward a street named after him .
A quite literal unsung hero. I don't know if there is or not, but I sincerely hope there's a statue or some kind of memorial to him somewhere.
Fascinating. I can see the dilemma. At at least he didn't get chemically castrated, I guess.
It was said that by the time of D-day and thereafter, the speed of decoding by Bletchley Park was so fast that allied forces knew German intentions, operations and proposed movements before those at the German front line had received them.
Really enjoyed this. Stephen Fry is a extremely talented man and explains things very clearly
ive met clever people, hes more like a clown
I've been to Bletchley Park and it is really fascinating the amount of work and secrecy that went into it, there was about 9000 people who worked there, 75% of them women and not one person ever talked about it after the war. I highly recommend watching the The Imitation Game staring Benedict Cumberbatch which is about Alan Turing and cracking the Enigma Code.
Deep down, Jodi is proud of your jokes, Nick.
Keep them coming.
We had to allow the Germans to successfully execute a number of missions to stop them becoming suspicious that we were reading their messages. And still, various leaders are perfectly happy to start something knowing it will result in massive loss of life.
So good , we watched this twice 😊
I saw a program on this. They started to crack it when it was noticed that the messages were almost always signed off with the same pattern or number of letters. They worked out what the message was and then that massively reduced the permutations for them.
Lovely couple. I always get a heartfelt warm feeling watching your videos.
Bill Tutte. Who you may ask well. He was the guy who managed to create an entire virtual replica of the Lorenz machine never having seen one by using great intuition coupled with brilliant analysis Based upon his analysis the staff at Bletchley created the colossus machine which was used to break the Lorenz codes which was so important in shortening the war
Alan Turing devised the computer systems. Tommy Flowers built the ‘bombe’ machines that helped break the enigma codes. It was the Colossus machine which broke the Lorenz codes which were vastly more complex than the Enigma. And were the direct communications between Hitler and his top commanders.
The whole story is extremely complex and is way beyond me to explain but there are several very good explanations on RUclips of how the codes were cracked.
It’s important to realise the whole process was a team effort and relied on the lowest clerks doing the humblest jobs to produce the top quality results not just a few super boffins
One of Bill Tutte’s contemporaries described his breaking the Lorenz code as the single greatest intellectual feat of the 20th century. I am not in a position to try to compare his efforts to those of people like Einstein but he certainly should be up there with people like that and not largely forgotten as he is.
Part of the problem is the British governments obsession with secrecy after the war so that most people didn’t tell their story till at least 30 years later. I understand that there are certain elements of the Bletchley story that have still not seen the light of day even now
It is unfortunate that simplistic movies like the Imitation game have created the image of Turing as some sort of magician Who single-handedly broke the enemy codes where the story is in fact much much more complex
the imitation game is fine as an entertainment Which gives the masses a rough idea of what went on in Bletchley but it is very far from the truth.
There are many excellent videos about Bletchley on YT and excellent accounts on Wikipedia et cetera and I advise anybody who is interested to follow this up and if possible visit Bletchley one of the most amazing places I have ever visited
If you do go make sure you book on a guided tour because it saves a lot of wandering around in an aimless manner. While I was there a few years ago I was fortunate enough to see both the bombes and the colossus machine in action an incredible sight
I spent nearly 6 hours there and found it an incredible experience.
To this day I don’t fully understand the exact methods used to create the codes. It’s all beyond my rather limited abilities but nevertheless I find it all absolutely fascinating
Bletchley Park isn’t that far from me. I’ve been a few times and it’s fascinating. The rooms the code breakers worked in were small and probably not very warm. They have a fabulous museum full of old stuff too, recreated rooms showing how people lived back in the day. It’s just awful what happened to Alan Turing it haunts me.
First computer programmer - Ada Lovelace, lord byrons daughter.
There are two excellent videos on the Numberphile channel that explain how the Enigma machine works and the flaw in the machine that helped crack the codes.
Until AI becomes smart enough to the “I’m not a robot” box, I wouldn’t worry about it too much
Funny thing is.. in the UK, we used to have a telephone company called "Orange" 🍊
We did
The province of Ontario (Canada) has an air (helicopter) ambulance service called Ornge which has had its ups and downs...😊
the 1 minute 43 second ''The Coming War on China - a film by John Pilger - Official Trailer'' pause it at the 1.17 / 18 mark !!!!
@ennesshay5040 Brilliant point my friend, and incidentally, every single documentary film the great John Pilger made is fantastic: shocking, heartbreaking, empathic, informative, the list goes on...
QI - a Treasure Trove of knowledge and a good laugh too
Orange was a UK telephone company, then of course Apple and Blackberry...the 2 Ronnie's did a great sketch on all the telephone companies in a fruit and veg shop 😂😂
One Ronnie, I believe Ronnie Baker/Barker was gone before they made it, yes I struggle to remember his last name of who went first
I think the actor you were thinking of, from The Imitation Game is called "Wangledank Hooberfunch"?
You mean Bagledrink Clunderfutz?
@@noother964 Yeah, that's the one.
Finglebench Gargleplex.
Yeah, I was going to add 'meat on tests and exams' to the list of things people use AI for. Of course, that backfires on students when in situations where they can't use the AI and have to actually think concepts and how to communicate them through entirely themselves.
Britain gave the plans for Colossus to America on the instruction of Churchill and they simply increased it's size and then claimed their ENIAC was the first computer.
In fact it was Charles Babbage in 1822 with his difference engine.
Already listened to the last one. Have another like for the fix though 😄
Surprised you didnt recognice David from Would I lie to you minus his beard 10:14
There are 3 types of A.I, the Artificially Intelligent (in their own minds) who believe Artificial Intelligence is something more than it actually is or ever will be just Algorithmic Interpretation.
I watched a good film related to the Enigma Machine, it was called 'Operation Mince Meat', a really good film worth the watch.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I read somewhere that towards the end of the war it would probably have been faster for German high command to phone Bletchley for the decrypted messages than to manually decrypt them themself, so efficient had they become at doing it.
I worked and lived near Bletchley Park!
That's better! 😆
The worst stories to come from the enigma machine was that many times we had to let the Germans attack knowing it was going to happen, so the Germans did not suspect we had cracked their code. Very brave and brilliant people.
CIA was using mi5 and mi6 handbook still in 1960s,used for15 years.lol
I live about half a mile from Bletchley park it’s a fantastic place Really QI ( quite interesting ) 😂👍👍👏👏👏
Forget 'The Terminator' - checkout the 1970 film ''Colossus - The Forbin Project' - to see a really terrifying vision of AI computers !
Orange watch 😂. I enjoyed it!
Thanks for fixing it.
Lost your watch? How do you loose something attached to your body?
Even more depressing for us, we also developed the first orbital capable rocket system over the same period... and gave it to the Americans again (bankrupted after the effort so couldn't develop it).
And extremely depressing for everyone after what happened to Alan Turing... the Gender Identity crowd are currently doing en masse to (mainly gay) children. The grandfather of Gender Identity being the absolute monster that was John Money...
Was waiting for a transphobe to spew misinformation . Thankfully anti trans groups are campaigning against bans on conversion ‘therapy’… Alan Turing would be proud smh
What's funny about the gender brigade is, they support Palestine 😂. They would be the 1st to be put up against the wall.......🤣
Also sorted out the Bell X1 for them too
They said the same thing about calculators in school as they are saying about AI now.
And here we are where we walk around with them in our pocket.
I agree 100% about AI. Computers work on logic, humans do not so a logical conclusion about certain things may not be in the interest of humans.
What’s with the Fred West t-shirt🤓
Ah, a couple of misconceptions here. It was widely believed that Turing committed suicide due to his chemical castration and horrid treatment by the British government. However, it turns out that the very day he died he had been experimenting with vaporized states of the poison in question in a poorly-ventilated environment. In fact he was said to be in very good spirits up to that point, although humans are very good at hiding their emotions, so that may be a red herring.
As for breaking the codes, doing so was made a bit easier by the fact that the German encoders were reusing the same words to do so over and over. In fact, that has led some to think that the officer in charge of the Abwher (spelling) was a rather disillusioned member of the German military who intentionally carried his duties out in a lax manner.
More so as said leader name then maybe said about weather
Jodi needs to take steps to get Nick in line. Nick has to take steps... Sorry, the meaning of 'steps' is another one of 'those' words lol
had the british not kept their computer secret but started a industry and research around it, the world would look different. Instead it was handed on a silver plate to the US, who did just that.
But "the first computer" is a very difficult debate. Usually comes with a series of qualifiers (the first mechanical/electronic/programmable... computer.
I have a phone. It's used for text and calls. I don't use social media or bank on it so if I get hacked best they will find is an emoji or 2.
Nice! Cheers!
I want to crack the Osvert code.
sorry jodi dad joke hell lol
Brilliant reaction 👍🇬🇧
Thanks for fixing :-)
No problem. I have no idea how that happened til a few hours ago. It was a glitch on my editing software. Thanks for coming back.
The UK is brilliant at inventing things but has no idea how to market the idea...lol
Super interesting or quiet interesting? 😆😂🤣
Please watch Monster song KGF chapter 2
suicide or bumped off?
Radar was pretty useful too. Knowing the direction bombers were coming from allowed us to intercept them. Britain would have fallen in 1940 without it
It's been played out numerous times in war games and everytime Germany lost everytime. Without radar we would've used different tactics in the air but it's the royal navy that destroyed the invasion everytime it was played out with varying scenarios. Way too much myth developed from 1940.
Thanks threw a movie star ..
Actually Jodie, Nic IS really funnier than you are, sorry! You are more literal than he is! He is far more open-minded too. You are ok, but a bit I introverted and too religious! Just saying!
Why is Jodi such a prude, she has kids so why everything sexual is such a no no? I feel for Nick if she's like that in the bedroom
She is a school teacher I believe