I feel like blocking is kind of a lost art. Maybe it's the greenscreens, but I watch most movies for the last like fifteen years, and I couldn't tell you where people are even standing in relation to each other. Basic stagecraft seems unimportant to a whole generation of filmmakers.
A term I picked up from Bruce Campbell's biography, he said directors who are fixated on the visuals but clueless at things like directing actors, blocking, all the basic storytelling components, actors call them "shooters."
It is crazy how much more they do with the basics of just how the scene is put together in older movies. It really makes you feel like you are in the movie experiencing it with the characters, not just watching a screen.
I don't care about the movie either way, but I do appreciate these adult conversations on Red Cow, that don't feel the need to be angry or go into hyperbole about the 500th version of the Joker.
Reminds me of Butters coming out of Indiana Jones crystal skull saying “ I thought it was pretty good” while the rest of the kids were throwing up and screaming.
When he was Joker in the court room, and when the Joker fanatics blew the wall open and took him out.... It made me think about how good a sequel could have been if they just opened with that.
Main probablem people had with this movie... is that people were pissed off that Arthur was not Joker..... even though Todd said during the first movies press tour Arthur is NOT the Clown Prince of Crime. Hes just a guy who inspires the real Joker.
I'm with Frankie on this one. I enjoyed it. Was it perhaps a little long, yes. But I didn't find the musical segments overly egregious, and they played a role. I really enjoyed the Harley and Joker show segment and I liked the spin on Harley.
How dare you make a nuanced take appreciating the art and offering constructive feedback. Didn't you know that all internet discourse is binary? I think a lot of the blowback from this movie is caused by the animosity built up by the social commentary surrounding the first one. One side was saying how it glorifies incels and that it will radicalize them into violence. This movie is different thematically but builds on what the actual underlying story of the first Joker was and because the gamergate goobers are trying to make gamergate two electric boogaloo, they're jumping on every potential controversy that could come from this and blowing it up. And most of the people who still passionately care about that stuff are the most terminally online. They'll believe that the woke studio forced Todd to chastise the incels and rap them on the wrist to tell them they're nasty people. I do hope that more movies come out like this. Not necessarily musicals, but the return to fundamental film making where everything isn't edited like a Mr Beast video because studios care about watch time over actual quality entertainment. But I'm starting to lose hope. The fact that studios are chomping at the bit to get Ai in the writer's studio suggests that we will see a Joker movie that is a homologation of every instance of the Joker and chuds will like it. You can't challenge audiences anymore because they will riot.
I'm happy for you that you found something positive in this movie. For me it was a disgrace, damaged the first movie and was overall just embarassing, good performances aside - with the excpetion of Joaquin's singing.
@@thefonzpart that’s just bad writing and not lack of awareness by those involved with this film I would say. This guy never felt like the Joker to me.
I personally thought they should of done a sequel with harvey dent as the lead. A man slowly decending into madness as hes becoming DA and working on the trial.
I respectfully disagree. I appreciate that they tried something different, but it just didn’t work. It’s a technically well-made movie but the script just doesn’t work for me.
I suspect part of me might really like this movie but I'm not watching it on principle just because I'm tired of seeing comic book characters get graped. I dropped out of The Boys after the (most recent) BDSM episode. It's not even a moral issue, I'm just tired of it. It's dreary and joyless and it's not why I watch superheroes.
Some of the most viewed reviews of this movie were from people who openly didn't see the film, or they'll admit they watched it bootleged, like in Nerdrotic's case...that Yellowflash guy spilled the beans on that on his livestream, they pass around bad quality bootlegs and review movies based off of those.
Dredd on dvd is great, but getting to see it in native 3d or in Imax screen made is an amazing experience....the reviewers I mentioned are going for the cheapest/easiest way to bring content to people, it's disingenuous. Why listen to someone who doesn't care enough to go out and experience something? They're watching cheap bootlegs to give you more fast food content.
Great take. Joker 2 is a flawed film, but it's perhaps the last $200 million auteur film we'll ever see. It is even more genuinely a film with the spirit of 70s cinema than the first. People are always complaining about the Disney/Marvel/Star Wars pigwash, but at the same time they want to punish anything that genuinely strives for something ambitious within pop culture.
People want to “get” something and be part of something, and that tends to conflict with the singular vision of an artist who doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. It becomes a bit of sink or swim, all or nothing. Love or hate. I wish we could all just absorb this stuff and talk about it, without the “ewww you enjoyed that??” that so often emerges on the Internet
This is why the opimion of the movie will only improve in the future. But just like you correctly point out, its just impossible to have a sincere discussion of this movie or mostly anything controversial these days. What gets me is that the majority of opions trashing the movie come from people that didnt even see it or never gavw it a chance before watching it.
Frankie, as heavy Contrarian, because most people take their notes from those who are wrong, or Dishonest, or don't know Art-I am glad to hear you said that, and I will go watch the movie, hopefully, Now.
Or Frankie just has a unique opinion. We’re not a monolith. Sometimes Frankie agrees with the masses, other times he doesn’t. That doesn’t make you a contrarian.
@@Linklex7 Believe me, I tend to disagree, with people. Haha, and that doesn't just extend to disagreeing with your comment. Mark P*ass*o said to watch out for movies "everyone hates," because they usually have a substantial message put out for the public, to ignore.
@@Linklex7 Actually, perhaps one main thing I disagree with people about is that art is objective. Kubrick, objectively better than most. So, Frankie could literally make a good case to show that it is better than people say. And one thing the masses can be counted on is to follow others in their opinions, and for those others to be liars. Or Rubes.
@@Linklex7 To finish my long response, you're actually right. I am not a contrarian, but what I do tend to do is contrast in what I say and how I approach things to how most People do.
W TAKE. The story is pretty good, and the acting and cinematography are fantastic! They just needed to cut out most of the musical numbers (only a couple of songs work IMO) and it would have been a better-received movie. However, the first movie was so good that it would be hard to follow up no matter what they did.
I thought the story was already poorly paced and that the musical beats were a relief to that. I like this one more than I liked the first. I never liked the first one, mostly because it just felt like Todd Phillips aping more talented filmmakers (or, y'know, one much more talented filmmaker), but I did like the last bit where he's become Joker. It didn't make it a good movie, but it was still a good sequence. This one I thought was at least interested in telling its own story and exploring Arthur's character. Even if I don't think it did an amazing job of it. It's a C+. Maybe a B-. I agree with Frankie, the most interesting thing about this movie is that it actually deals with the consequences of the first one. I love when someone takes narrative responsibility for a big, bombastic climax. That's one of the few compelling reasons to make a sequel. We all like to see these big dramatic events take place, but nobody thinks about having to live with it. The Gary Puddles testimony was the best thing in this movie.
This was a good take, Frankie. I whole-heartedly agree with you that giving audiences the Joker sequel they wanted would have been a betrayal of the first movie.
Have you guys seen this year’s Monster Madness? It feels like a genuine return to form. James actually has some passion and he made something like how he used to.
Glad to see someone that understands the movie's intentions & at least respects the directors vision. Fully agree hat you shouldnt do that with a 200 million budget. Speaking of which, how did this even cost 200 million? Did Joaquin took a hughe cut of the cake just to be in? As some one that didnt think much of the first i enjoyed this one a lot more, just because it attempts to ground people into reality. Just tunned out during the musicals, because i assumed i wouldnt comprehend them anyway. Not much a musical expert so whatever symbols the music were meant to portrait would be lost on me.
I’m on the EJ side of this, but I’m always happy to hear somebody go up to bat for a film that tries, even if I think it’s unsuccessful. Hell, I’d take it over any of the DC movies from last year! If nothing else, I’m always here to hear Frankie make fun of political extremism
His singing was perfectly fine. I loved that they showed his development through how he performed in the songs. The "whisper singing" was meant to be self-conscious and uncertain. I ultimately come out on the side of liking the movie, but just barely. But I thought that element of it was really well done.
Thanks for sharing that you have no imagination and are unable to put yourselves in someone elses shoes over something as simple as an opinion on movies. I like your way of not thinking, it is refreshing in this day and age.
There’s this notion going about the internet that Todd Phillips didn’t want to do a second Joker movie, but was basically strong armed by WBD, so he intentionally made the movie the way it turned out to sabotage it, ensuring WBD couldn’t cash in with endless sequels
I agree with Dishmaster on Joker 2. Madame Web on the other hand is the dumbest movie i've seen in a while it's near Batman & Robin levels of so bad it's good.
Another thing thst maybe someone can answer: The sex scene was "real" & Harley is pregnant? If thats the case, then the screen writers threw a hughe bone to Arthur, so the ending is not that cruel from that perspective.
It makes sense to like this movie, especially if you are focusing more on the good message that it can have. For me, I don't care about this second movie, and I did not like even the first movie AS A WHOLE, because I only liked the artistic style and iconography, because the FEELING that that first movie made me feel I just felt more and more uncomfortable, because the way that it is shot and directed and everything simply points to manipulate the audience to simply praise in awe Arthur Fleck as "the Joker". It is too much for me regarding this specific message that the movie was constantly trying to push. But, as I said, I liked the artistic style and iconography, I just need to remove the context, and yeah, then I'll watch that clown dance on those stairs over and over, pure beautiful art and iconography without the context.
First Blood Part II is just as well-directed as the first. It is silly but it is just as good as the first. Some really great sequences and Cosmatos always delivered
Appropriately you have “Return of the Joker” playing in the background arcade. Like “Folie a Deux”, it’s a little shaky at times, but a worthy follow-up to its predecessor.
When people gather in negative consensus, that tends to make me want to critically assess something even more carefully, more intensely, and in many cases I tend to appreciate things on an even deeper level than I would if we all agreed it was a slam dunk. Ah, fruits of the rebel psychology.
This movie was terribly paced and the screenplay makes no sense. It's bizarre to me that the main criticism revolves around the music sequences, or even going as far as calling it a musical. Basically every other aspect of the movie sucked except those daydream sequences and if they actually watched the movie that be obvious. Instead people repeat what they hear.
Okay, well, most people hate it, so you don't have to worry that too many people have the wrong opinion. As for me and my wrong opinion, I described my thoughts on it for 22 minutes and you didn't really refute anything I said.
Every other aspect sucked? Are you really saying the cinematography, score, mixing, blocking, acting, set design and costuming sucked on Joker because if you do then I think you're blind and deaf.
I didn't like the movie, but I enjoyed elements of it and certain scenes. People are exaggerating how bad it is to a ridiculous degree. I've seen far worse and with no redeemable qualities.
It was boring as shit, and all of the songs were just old songs being sung by Stefani Germanotta and Joaquin Phoenix. Nothing happens to move the "plot" at all. D+
It wasn't great, but wasn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. People wanted another incel film and instead got told being an incel isn't cool.
I don't hate this movie even though I don't like it this movie. I'm not that super upset unlike most people who didn't like musicals which I can totally understand. even though the songs in this film are really not rememberable and I like musicals if it's done right. I like the first Joker movie I just wish this movie doesn't exist, it had great ideas in that movie it's just the execution is your biggest problem at the end of the day. It trying to be way different artistic Joker movie.
indulging in sick fantasy's... so star wars? lol jk. i dig your takes. one likes one dislikes. good ol' siskel and ebert. have an awesome day red cow family. edit: i like that someone is trying something different, movies need more change.
Well ya said I’d be disappointed so I shouldn’t be surprised😅, no hate tho. Honestly, even though I still think it sucks as a movie (zero progression, boring af), the “anti-movie” aspect of it kinda grew on me. I still don’t like how their solution to making him stop being the Joker was getting him gang-r@ped. That’s fucked on so many levels that nobody should even try to justify it.
Joker is overrated trash just like the comic it's loosely based on. Why would you think Joker 2 be any different. Btw Joker was a loser in the first movie. of course he still is in the 2nd.
I feel like blocking is kind of a lost art. Maybe it's the greenscreens, but I watch most movies for the last like fifteen years, and I couldn't tell you where people are even standing in relation to each other. Basic stagecraft seems unimportant to a whole generation of filmmakers.
So true!!!
A term I picked up from Bruce Campbell's biography, he said directors who are fixated on the visuals but clueless at things like directing actors, blocking, all the basic storytelling components, actors call them "shooters."
It is crazy how much more they do with the basics of just how the scene is put together in older movies. It really makes you feel like you are in the movie experiencing it with the characters, not just watching a screen.
I don't care about the movie either way, but I do appreciate these adult conversations on Red Cow, that don't feel the need to be angry or go into hyperbole about the 500th version of the Joker.
"You do you, boo"
-- Confucius
Reminds me of Butters coming out of Indiana Jones crystal skull saying “ I thought it was pretty good” while the rest of the kids were throwing up and screaming.
Take it: L
When he was Joker in the court room, and when the Joker fanatics blew the wall open and took him out.... It made me think about how good a sequel could have been if they just opened with that.
Makes sense you were a theatre nerd in high school, that seems like the type to like a cheesy musical.
This movie is a lot of things, but "cheesy musical" doesn't seem like the right description 😂
We get it OP, but you can come out if the closet now. It’s ok.
Its not a musical holy shit people
@@anonymous-dk3um if the movie has Lady Gaga dancing around and wailing in multiple scenes than yes, it's a musical.
@@RedCowArcadea more apt description would just be "bad"
Main probablem people had with this movie... is that people were pissed off that Arthur was not Joker..... even though Todd said during the first movies press tour Arthur is NOT the Clown Prince of Crime. Hes just a guy who inspires the real Joker.
The main problem people had with the movie was the fucking rape humiliation ritual
Stop pretending you don't know the actual name of the movie to seem cool
And guess what?
Its ok to like bad movies.
You just have to acknowledge your own tastes.
I'm with Frankie on this one. I enjoyed it. Was it perhaps a little long, yes. But I didn't find the musical segments overly egregious, and they played a role. I really enjoyed the Harley and Joker show segment and I liked the spin on Harley.
Mike Mattei is still the GOAT Joker
these are high quality nerd conversations, i dont know how else to say it. its a rarity on youtube
How dare you make a nuanced take appreciating the art and offering constructive feedback. Didn't you know that all internet discourse is binary? I think a lot of the blowback from this movie is caused by the animosity built up by the social commentary surrounding the first one. One side was saying how it glorifies incels and that it will radicalize them into violence. This movie is different thematically but builds on what the actual underlying story of the first Joker was and because the gamergate goobers are trying to make gamergate two electric boogaloo, they're jumping on every potential controversy that could come from this and blowing it up. And most of the people who still passionately care about that stuff are the most terminally online. They'll believe that the woke studio forced Todd to chastise the incels and rap them on the wrist to tell them they're nasty people.
I do hope that more movies come out like this. Not necessarily musicals, but the return to fundamental film making where everything isn't edited like a Mr Beast video because studios care about watch time over actual quality entertainment. But I'm starting to lose hope. The fact that studios are chomping at the bit to get Ai in the writer's studio suggests that we will see a Joker movie that is a homologation of every instance of the Joker and chuds will like it. You can't challenge audiences anymore because they will riot.
I hate how youtubers have crapped on this film so viciously. I appreciate your take - it's refreshing
The movie being crap came before people crapped on it. Let’s at least go in chronological order of offense if we’re gonna be fair.
We were all happy to say Hot Shots: Part Deux because the name was the joke.
I'm happy for you that you found something positive in this movie. For me it was a disgrace, damaged the first movie and was overall just embarassing, good performances aside - with the excpetion of Joaquin's singing.
I don’t really have an opinion on this movie since I haven’t seen it. I’m just going to refrain from watching.
The guy isn’t really joker and they have him get raped by a bunch of cops in jail because they dislike that the incels liked the first movie
@@thefonzpart that’s just bad writing and not lack of awareness by those involved with this film I would say. This guy never felt like the Joker to me.
I personally thought they should of done a sequel with harvey dent as the lead. A man slowly decending into madness as hes becoming DA and working on the trial.
I respectfully disagree. I appreciate that they tried something different, but it just didn’t work. It’s a technically well-made movie but the script just doesn’t work for me.
Sounds like the Batman that Frankie wants to see is the TV series Gotham.
Hm, no, I watched 2 seasons of that and didn't like it really. Just felt like network TV gunk.
Its not slop, it's gunk.
I don’t like the movie, but I’m also the guy who defends Ridley Scott’s The Counselor, so I get it. 🙂
This is indeed an L take, little goblin man.
Who u callin goblin u freak
I suspect part of me might really like this movie but I'm not watching it on principle just because I'm tired of seeing comic book characters get graped. I dropped out of The Boys after the (most recent) BDSM episode.
It's not even a moral issue, I'm just tired of it. It's dreary and joyless and it's not why I watch superheroes.
I didn't think anyone got graped in this one.
It was a humiliation ritual because the wrong people liked the first movie
@@thefonzpart Eternal victims.
@@Allen.Christian The dude literally gets gangraped by cops in the movie
Some of the most viewed reviews of this movie were from people who openly didn't see the film, or they'll admit they watched it bootleged, like in Nerdrotic's case...that Yellowflash guy spilled the beans on that on his livestream, they pass around bad quality bootlegs and review movies based off of those.
Why does the video quality affect your opinion of a movie?
Dredd on dvd is great, but getting to see it in native 3d or in Imax screen made is an amazing experience....the reviewers I mentioned are going for the cheapest/easiest way to bring content to people, it's disingenuous. Why listen to someone who doesn't care enough to go out and experience something? They're watching cheap bootlegs to give you more fast food content.
Nerdrotic went to a Warner Bros. fan screening that played earlier that week.
@@Penttipistooli So he picks and chooses instead of doing the same work that other reviewers do?
@@robcoguy6909 What is bootleg in watching the movie in a fan screening that was played earlier than the regular showing of the movie?
The Halloween 2 comparison has sold me
Great take. Joker 2 is a flawed film, but it's perhaps the last $200 million auteur film we'll ever see. It is even more genuinely a film with the spirit of 70s cinema than the first. People are always complaining about the Disney/Marvel/Star Wars pigwash, but at the same time they want to punish anything that genuinely strives for something ambitious within pop culture.
People want to “get” something and be part of something, and that tends to conflict with the singular vision of an artist who doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. It becomes a bit of sink or swim, all or nothing. Love or hate.
I wish we could all just absorb this stuff and talk about it, without the “ewww you enjoyed that??” that so often emerges on the Internet
This is why the opimion of the movie will only improve in the future. But just like you correctly point out, its just impossible to have a sincere discussion of this movie or mostly anything controversial these days. What gets me is that the majority of opions trashing the movie come from people that didnt even see it or never gavw it a chance before watching it.
Keep huffing that copium boys. I can smell your fedoras through my router.
Exactly
😂 shut the hell up.
You're allowed to like garbage
Frankie, as heavy Contrarian, because most people take their notes from those who are wrong, or Dishonest, or don't know Art-I am glad to hear you said that, and I will go watch the movie, hopefully, Now.
Or Frankie just has a unique opinion. We’re not a monolith. Sometimes Frankie agrees with the masses, other times he doesn’t. That doesn’t make you a contrarian.
@@Linklex7 Believe me, I tend to disagree, with people. Haha, and that doesn't just extend to disagreeing with your comment.
Mark P*ass*o said to watch out for movies "everyone hates," because they usually have a substantial message put out for the public, to ignore.
@@Linklex7 Actually, perhaps one main thing I disagree with people about is that art is objective. Kubrick, objectively better than most.
So, Frankie could literally make a good case to show that it is better than people say. And one thing the masses can be counted on is to follow others in their opinions, and for those others to be liars. Or Rubes.
@@Linklex7 To finish my long response, you're actually right. I am not a contrarian, but what I do tend to do is contrast in what I say and how I approach things to how most People do.
INDEPENDENT THOUGHT ALERT!!
W TAKE. The story is pretty good, and the acting and cinematography are fantastic! They just needed to cut out most of the musical numbers (only a couple of songs work IMO) and it would have been a better-received movie. However, the first movie was so good that it would be hard to follow up no matter what they did.
I thought the story was already poorly paced and that the musical beats were a relief to that. I like this one more than I liked the first. I never liked the first one, mostly because it just felt like Todd Phillips aping more talented filmmakers (or, y'know, one much more talented filmmaker), but I did like the last bit where he's become Joker. It didn't make it a good movie, but it was still a good sequence. This one I thought was at least interested in telling its own story and exploring Arthur's character. Even if I don't think it did an amazing job of it. It's a C+. Maybe a B-.
I agree with Frankie, the most interesting thing about this movie is that it actually deals with the consequences of the first one. I love when someone takes narrative responsibility for a big, bombastic climax. That's one of the few compelling reasons to make a sequel. We all like to see these big dramatic events take place, but nobody thinks about having to live with it. The Gary Puddles testimony was the best thing in this movie.
Sucker punch was a better musical than Joker 2. An absolute betrayal to the first film.
The few other RUclips reviews on this I watched did little but dunk on Joker 2, so I really appreciate Frankie's thoughts on it
I agree 100% with everything you guys said! Thanks for their video; I thought I was losing my mind 😂
This was a good take, Frankie. I whole-heartedly agree with you that giving audiences the Joker sequel they wanted would have been a betrayal of the first movie.
5:25 "it looks kinda like this" - The Slobs... that had me crying 😂
Have you guys seen this year’s Monster Madness? It feels like a genuine return to form. James actually has some passion and he made something like how he used to.
It saved muh life.
Appreciate the effort put into your editing, which is more than most people can be bothered to do
Glad to see someone that understands the movie's intentions & at least respects the directors vision. Fully agree hat you shouldnt do that with a 200 million budget. Speaking of which, how did this even cost 200 million? Did Joaquin took a hughe cut of the cake just to be in?
As some one that didnt think much of the first i enjoyed this one a lot more, just because it attempts to ground people into reality. Just tunned out during the musicals, because i assumed i wouldnt comprehend them anyway. Not much a musical expert so whatever symbols the music were meant to portrait would be lost on me.
Man, you must've watched a LOT of Kevin Smith movies....
Great take, I loved the film especially the court scenes. It’s also interesting that Tarantino and Kojima praised highly of the film as well.
The wife and I absolutely loved the movie. And then the final 15 minutes happened. It may have been shot well and artistic, but it ended like shit.
I’m on the EJ side of this, but I’m always happy to hear somebody go up to bat for a film that tries, even if I think it’s unsuccessful. Hell, I’d take it over any of the DC movies from last year!
If nothing else, I’m always here to hear Frankie make fun of political extremism
Terrifier killed Arthur at the end, not the Joker 😅
It’s art the clown
Both named art
I heard people saying Todd didn't want to do a sequel so he like intentionally half assed the movie
I liked it a lot and genuinly fail to see why people hated it other than "Joaquin pheonix sing bad"
His singing was perfectly fine. I loved that they showed his development through how he performed in the songs. The "whisper singing" was meant to be self-conscious and uncertain. I ultimately come out on the side of liking the movie, but just barely. But I thought that element of it was really well done.
Thanks for sharing that you have no imagination and are unable to put yourselves in someone elses shoes over something as simple as an opinion on movies. I like your way of not thinking, it is refreshing in this day and age.
Big Rent fan btw
There’s this notion going about the internet that Todd Phillips didn’t want to do a second Joker movie, but was basically strong armed by WBD, so he intentionally made the movie the way it turned out to sabotage it, ensuring WBD couldn’t cash in with endless sequels
Kinda like Joe Dante with Gremlins 2 but instead of making it bad just made it incredibly wacky
@ which in hindsight, it kind of worked for the Gremlins 2
I agree with Dishmaster on Joker 2. Madame Web on the other hand is the dumbest movie i've seen in a while it's near Batman & Robin levels of so bad it's good.
Another thing thst maybe someone can answer: The sex scene was "real" & Harley is pregnant? If thats the case, then the screen writers threw a hughe bone to Arthur, so the ending is not that cruel from that perspective.
I thought this movie was awesome. Glad to hear you like it as well.
FINALLY!!!! THANK YOU FRANKIE. THANK YOU FRANKIE. THANK YOU FRANKIE. The audiences and critics are the real clowns, and me? I'm The Joker, baby. 🤡🤡🤡
Haha. I'm glad I could satisfy!
It makes sense to like this movie, especially if you are focusing more on the good message that it can have.
For me, I don't care about this second movie, and I did not like even the first movie AS A WHOLE, because I only liked the artistic style and iconography, because the FEELING that that first movie made me feel I just felt more and more uncomfortable, because the way that it is shot and directed and everything simply points to manipulate the audience to simply praise in awe Arthur Fleck as "the Joker". It is too much for me regarding this specific message that the movie was constantly trying to push. But, as I said, I liked the artistic style and iconography, I just need to remove the context, and yeah, then I'll watch that clown dance on those stairs over and over, pure beautiful art and iconography without the context.
The ending was very divisive. Arthur Fleck getting stabbed to death by who is implied to be the actual Joker was hit or miss with some
First Blood Part II is just as well-directed as the first. It is silly but it is just as good as the first. Some really great sequences and Cosmatos always delivered
Joker 2 is no Gremlins 2
Appropriately you have “Return of the Joker” playing in the background arcade. Like “Folie a Deux”, it’s a little shaky at times, but a worthy follow-up to its predecessor.
Unless you play any of the 16bit versions, then it’s just a real fucking mess.
@ Oh, yeah. I’ll only ever play the NES version.
Time , you Will learn soon
You know how this works: No individual opinions allowed on the internet.
I like the idea of reviewing woman on tinder.. lol
L take indeed.
When people gather in negative consensus, that tends to make me want to critically assess something even more carefully, more intensely, and in many cases I tend to appreciate things on an even deeper level than I would if we all agreed it was a slam dunk. Ah, fruits of the rebel psychology.
Too bad the movie actually sucked.
@@hansjuker8296 They're turning into Ya Boi now.
This movie was terribly paced and the screenplay makes no sense. It's bizarre to me that the main criticism revolves around the music sequences, or even going as far as calling it a musical. Basically every other aspect of the movie sucked except those daydream sequences and if they actually watched the movie that be obvious. Instead people repeat what they hear.
Okay, well, most people hate it, so you don't have to worry that too many people have the wrong opinion. As for me and my wrong opinion, I described my thoughts on it for 22 minutes and you didn't really refute anything I said.
@@RedCowArcadeThe movie is self-refuting.
This comment was not meant for you, but for the "muh" musical people.
Imagine trying to refute an opinion lmao.
Right. Well when someone asserts that a movie is objectively or self-evidently awful, they’re making a claim. Claims can be refuted.
Every other aspect sucked? Are you really saying the cinematography, score, mixing, blocking, acting, set design and costuming sucked on Joker because if you do then I think you're blind and deaf.
I didn't like the movie, but I enjoyed elements of it and certain scenes. People are exaggerating how bad it is to a ridiculous degree. I've seen far worse and with no redeemable qualities.
J6 was a psy-op
Pippa brain...
It was boring as shit, and all of the songs were just old songs being sung by Stefani Germanotta and Joaquin Phoenix. Nothing happens to move the "plot" at all. D+
15:18 Holy shit that's my local news!
It wasn't great, but wasn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. People wanted another incel film and instead got told being an incel isn't cool.
I don't hate this movie even though I don't like it this movie. I'm not that super upset unlike most people who didn't like musicals which I can totally understand. even though the songs in this film are really not rememberable and I like musicals if it's done right. I like the first Joker movie I just wish this movie doesn't exist, it had great ideas in that movie it's just the execution is your biggest problem at the end of the day. It trying to be way different artistic Joker movie.
Yikes, not exactly the best opinion...😬
I thought it was well articulated and reasoned.
AwwwwWww the French
indulging in sick fantasy's... so star wars? lol jk. i dig your takes. one likes one dislikes. good ol' siskel and ebert. have an awesome day red cow family. edit: i like that someone is trying something different, movies need more change.
Solid take! I agree
Sorry Frank, that movie was ass
I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Well ya said I’d be disappointed so I shouldn’t be surprised😅, no hate tho. Honestly, even though I still think it sucks as a movie (zero progression, boring af), the “anti-movie” aspect of it kinda grew on me.
I still don’t like how their solution to making him stop being the Joker was getting him gang-r@ped. That’s fucked on so many levels that nobody should even try to justify it.
I didn’t like it,am I the L take?
what the......
Where have you been??
A good review on Tinder lol
Are we getting a new podcast episode this week?
Recording tonight.
Sweet! I’m excited!
Opening with Batman TAS is always a great day.
Joker is overrated trash just like the comic it's loosely based on. Why would you think Joker 2 be any different. Btw Joker was a loser in the first movie. of course he still is in the 2nd.
What comic
@WiliamShartner the killing joke
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6:40 “riots”? Unbelievable. Unsubscribed
Are you joking?
@ yes
Is French really that hard for English speakers? I guess any language is hard for the average english speakers which isn't their local dialect.