I find that due to my chronic pain, I know exactly what you mean about not remembering what it was like to feel healthy and normal. I also really connect with the bit you said about it being "comfortable " because it's kinda like.... well yes, it's Hell but I'm used to it so I kinda know what to expect and how to deal with it accordingly ....unless I have one of those days where I just can't take the pain at that moment. Those really suck.
Exactly!! I’ve had chronic pain for 32 years… who would I be without that? What would my daily life be? As much as we would love to be without pain… it’s familiar and we know who we are with it. It’s fascinating to think about. Wishing you a low pain day 😊
"I don't even remember what it's like really to be completely healthy." God I feel that. I don't know what I would do with my life if I woke up tomorrow healthy.
I know right. so much constant pain it's just become background noise (until it doesn't). Fibromyalgia me, 53 now, diagnosed a few years back - bit daunting to come to terms with this for the rest of my life.
Totally understand what he says about the familiarity. I’ve lived with chronic pain for 32 years. I’m 53 now. I don’t remember what it’s like to not feel pain every day… it’s so familiar now. And (sadly I suppose), it’s become a big part of who I am, my personality, my entire existence. Because my life has to be structured around it. Of course, I’d love to never be in pain again… but it would be like starting from scratch again.. where do I go from there? I’ve reinvented myself before, so I know I could do it again… but it would be a massive change.
yes i've had chronic pain - really kicked in at age 33 when my partner was dying in the hospital. i've re-invented myself about 3 times filtering out the crap in my life that collected due to having more on my plate than i could handle for way too long. i'm 63 now and don't even bother imagining the next month.
@@alysmarcus7747 I can so relate! I’m sorry about your partner. Stress can really make the pain worse. Sounds like we’ve had similar experiences with reinvention and filtering out the toxic… and also not looking too far forward - it’s too much to process when you’re just trying to survive each day. Wishing you low pain days 🙏
@@kiwigirljacks thankyou - yes, i dont think much past a day now, it's really all centred on whether the wind will allow me to go out on my bike . - it's what i live for. i'm alone, and i feed wild animals in the cemetery.
@@alysmarcus7747 that sounds like a beautiful thing to do. You are obviously a caring person. I am alone also. I have some family not too far away, but spend 90% of my time on my own. My cat is my best friend and I feel lucky he choose me 🙂 I need to get outdoors more myself. I exercise as I can at home.. but I know getting outdoors more is so much better for your state of mind. I shall wish you wind free days as well then so you can enjoy those activities 😁
I really feel that. And It sounds like a good technique to have a single object that a person could look at the way he views the pig 🐷. With someone going through kidney failure and on dialysis due to an autoimmune disorder I really appreciate and relate to his music
It also represents that or the Big Pharma to be more precise. It's a metaphor for bad things real or not, materially or mentally in our lives that will never disappear
That's why he never used to tell anyone what it meant to him so it could be up for individual interpretation. I was very suprised that he dived further into the meaning here.
I’ve had chronic illness, chronic pain, and mental health issues my whole life. I have no idea what it’s like to be healthy. There have been times in the past where I’d start to become more functional but with that came this sense of stress and pressure and just overall discomfort and fear of the unknown. There were times it was so uncomfortable that even though I was improving, part of me just wanted to go back to being sicker again because even if it was worse, it was at least familiar. It’s a difficult concept for people to understand unless they’ve been there. It can be really confusing for the person experiencing it. I’m really glad Ren spoke about this because it’s actually very common and becoming self aware about it can help you to understand it and/or not get in the way of your own recovery/healing/progress.
We get used to illness over time. I have a Chronic lung condition and don’t even notice when I am coughing a lot of the time, and people point it out to me. I feel for Ren having pain a lot of the time.
As others have stated; I too understand feom experience, what life with chronic heath issues is like. I also understand what Ren has had to deal with paychologically; due to having PTSD from childhood traumas.
My deep question for Ren is when you get better and as healthy that you can do you fear that your creativity will reduce? Do you think a lot of your creativity comes from the pain you have had to deal with and therefore will not have as much of a creative mind as you do now? Do you fear that or do you feel confident in your creativity that your circumstances have made an impact but not so much of one that you loose the creativity?
That sort of reminds me of my life after a recovery process has begun, from my addiction. "You'll always suffer, Ren." Just not to the same extent. Possibly.
hmm interesting - just watching another awesome reaction to Kujo Beatdown - and that person asked the question - so I was close... here's what I wrote: _great question about the pig mask - gotta admit I never thought about it_ _to me I'm thinking of the GREED aspect which is a big theme of Ren's (& part of the reason for his righteous fury over this - the greed of Kujo - destroying Sick Boi - something that Ren has put so much of himself into_ _also thinking of George Orwell's Animal Farm - 'Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' - why Ren is so focused on being independant (sic) from the music industry._ _that's my thoughts anyway - I'll have a hunt, see if I can find Ren's thoughts on_ so *THANK YOU* - very much appreciate it.
I have had fibromyalgia for over twenty years and I totally get what he is saying I think I would freak out if i woke up and had no pain had no pills to take.. I would be waiting for it ti hit mer all at once.
Sometimes our demons have been with us so long they are entwined with our DNA and no longer a sperate thing we can remove. We learn to cope, to manage, and to box them up enough to live our lives - but they sit inside that box, gazing out at us, waiting to take advantage of our moments of vulnerability.
I'm warming to Ren, but I wish he didn't speak with that lisping "Jafaican" hipster accent. It's annoying when the kids talk like that, but he's 34 years old. Unfortunately, his songs snd videos, I find, to be the worst of what passes as post-modernist trash, and just plain boring.
I thought it might be something like that. In the Dexter series he called it his 'dark passenger '.
I find that due to my chronic pain, I know exactly what you mean about not remembering what it was like to feel healthy and normal. I also really connect with the bit you said about it being "comfortable " because it's kinda like.... well yes, it's Hell but I'm used to it so I kinda know what to expect and how to deal with it accordingly
....unless I have one of those days where I just can't take the pain at that moment. Those really suck.
Exactly!! I’ve had chronic pain for 32 years… who would I be without that? What would my daily life be? As much as we would love to be without pain… it’s familiar and we know who we are with it. It’s fascinating to think about.
Wishing you a low pain day 😊
"I don't even remember what it's like really to be completely healthy." God I feel that. I don't know what I would do with my life if I woke up tomorrow healthy.
I know right. so much constant pain it's just become background noise (until it doesn't). Fibromyalgia me, 53 now, diagnosed a few years back - bit daunting to come to terms with this for the rest of my life.
Totally understand what he says about the familiarity. I’ve lived with chronic pain for 32 years. I’m 53 now. I don’t remember what it’s like to not feel pain every day… it’s so familiar now. And (sadly I suppose), it’s become a big part of who I am, my personality, my entire existence. Because my life has to be structured around it. Of course, I’d love to never be in pain again… but it would be like starting from scratch again.. where do I go from there?
I’ve reinvented myself before, so I know I could do it again… but it would be a massive change.
yes i've had chronic pain - really kicked in at age 33 when my partner was dying in the hospital. i've re-invented myself about 3 times filtering out the crap in my life that collected due to having more on my plate than i could handle for way too long. i'm 63 now and don't even bother imagining the next month.
@@alysmarcus7747 I can so relate! I’m sorry about your partner. Stress can really make the pain worse. Sounds like we’ve had similar experiences with reinvention and filtering out the toxic… and also not looking too far forward - it’s too much to process when you’re just trying to survive each day. Wishing you low pain days 🙏
@@kiwigirljacks thankyou - yes, i dont think much past a day now, it's really all centred on whether the wind will allow me to go out on my bike . - it's what i live for. i'm alone, and i feed wild animals in the cemetery.
@@alysmarcus7747 that sounds like a beautiful thing to do. You are obviously a caring person.
I am alone also. I have some family not too far away, but spend 90% of my time on my own. My cat is my best friend and I feel lucky he choose me 🙂
I need to get outdoors more myself. I exercise as I can at home.. but I know getting outdoors more is so much better for your state of mind.
I shall wish you wind free days as well then so you can enjoy those activities 😁
@@kiwigirljacks thank you- yes i'm stuck in today, and it's a curse already. what a 'Murphy's law' life i lead
The Pig mask to Ren is like the black ballons to NF. That's why I always thought that'd be one hell of a collaboration.
That was a wonderful interview, guys!! Thank you!!
Such an amazing and genuine interview, thank you 😃🔥💕
Never heard of Zach! But Zach drew out a really good conversation 👏👏👏
I love Ren's explanation! I also think the pig mask has become his good luck charm, in a way!❤🎉
He was "made to be Broken and Beaten"
Hits hard everytime.
Well said my son looks like you baffled them with his reaction at the end 💙🔥🔥
I really feel that. And It sounds like a good technique to have a single object that a person could look at the way he views the pig 🐷. With someone going through kidney failure and on dialysis due to an autoimmune disorder I really appreciate and relate to his music
I always thought the Pig Mask was representing Doctor's....that misdiagnosed.
It also represents that or the Big Pharma to be more precise. It's a metaphor for bad things real or not, materially or mentally in our lives that will never disappear
That's why he never used to tell anyone what it meant to him so it could be up for individual interpretation. I was very suprised that he dived further into the meaning here.
I’ve had chronic illness, chronic pain, and mental health issues my whole life. I have no idea what it’s like to be healthy. There have been times in the past where I’d start to become more functional but with that came this sense of stress and pressure and just overall discomfort and fear of the unknown. There were times it was so uncomfortable that even though I was improving, part of me just wanted to go back to being sicker again because even if it was worse, it was at least familiar. It’s a difficult concept for people to understand unless they’ve been there. It can be really confusing for the person experiencing it. I’m really glad Ren spoke about this because it’s actually very common and becoming self aware about it can help you to understand it and/or not get in the way of your own recovery/healing/progress.
Great interview
I have had chronic pain for 40 years and I know exactly how you feel. I have had the same thought.
I'm so happy that he mentioned Donnie Darko.
Right the director’s cut is an all timer
Completely understand what your saying here Ren
Ren’s rabbit! 😳🐇❤️
The zeitgeist Movies are pretty amazing man . Good shout ;)
Zeitgeist was an eye opener for sure.
Ha ha, charade you are!
For better or worse, it's your shadow and thus always with you. I know it well.
Zeitgeist.. is the take away here, people. Watch it!
PigBae!
We get used to illness over time. I have a Chronic lung condition and don’t even notice when I am coughing a lot of the time, and people point it out to me. I feel for Ren having pain a lot of the time.
I knew it
The pig is his stand
As others have stated; I too understand feom experience, what life with chronic heath issues is like. I also understand what Ren has had to deal with paychologically; due to having PTSD from childhood traumas.
I watched all 3 Zeitgeist!!
My deep question for Ren is when you get better and as healthy that you can do you fear that your creativity will reduce? Do you think a lot of your creativity comes from the pain you have had to deal with and therefore will not have as much of a creative mind as you do now? Do you fear that or do you feel confident in your creativity that your circumstances have made an impact but not so much of one that you loose the creativity?
That sort of reminds me of my life after a recovery process has begun, from my addiction. "You'll always suffer, Ren." Just not to the same extent. Possibly.
hmm interesting -
just watching another awesome reaction to Kujo Beatdown - and that person asked the question - so I was close... here's what I wrote:
_great question about the pig mask - gotta admit I never thought about it_
_to me I'm thinking of the GREED aspect which is a big theme of Ren's (& part of the reason for his righteous fury over this - the greed of Kujo - destroying Sick Boi - something that Ren has put so much of himself into_
_also thinking of George Orwell's Animal Farm - 'Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' - why Ren is so focused on being independant (sic) from the music industry._
_that's my thoughts anyway - I'll have a hunt, see if I can find Ren's thoughts on_
so *THANK YOU* - very much appreciate it.
Thought it might have a pork soda connection.
The Zeitgeist "documentaries" are very catchy for a young mind, but utter garbage in case someone got curious.
I have had fibromyalgia for over twenty years and I totally get what he is saying I think I would freak out if i woke up and had no pain had no pills to take.. I would be waiting for it ti hit mer all at once.
Sometimes our demons have been with us so long they are entwined with our DNA and no longer a sperate thing we can remove. We learn to cope, to manage, and to box them up enough to live our lives - but they sit inside that box, gazing out at us, waiting to take advantage of our moments of vulnerability.
Very well said
He got the idea from the other Ren... She uses a fox mask and started doing that many years ago to express her Ptsd and other trauma.
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I thought it might be like people being led like pigs to the slaughter, they don't know what or how things are going to go just miss led all the time,
TLDR. It is the "system pig" in all of us.
Getting Donnie Darko vibes
Sounds like a form of Stockholm syndrome
I'm warming to Ren, but I wish he didn't speak with that lisping "Jafaican" hipster accent. It's annoying when the kids talk like that, but he's 34 years old.
Unfortunately, his songs snd videos, I find, to be the worst of what passes as post-modernist trash, and just plain boring.