Have you ever been to a fruit warehouse where a stall or two has gotten rotten? The other berries and fruits smell nice but they just accentuate the Nurgles rot
I am playing wow since this january. I am sooooo happy my boyfriend is playing wow for over 10 years and he can answer every single one of my 100k questions. I love the game but at the same time i am sure that i would have stopped playing without his knowledge! It is just so full of unexplained things you would never think of.
This is the most relatable, for me. I’m in my second year of WoW. If it wasn’t for people who’ve been playing for twenty years, who answered my questions, I’d have probably given up. I like WoW.
@@SkunkApeOG I like to think of Blizzard as a whole as Arthas. We players will forever call our home "Lordaeron" (Azeroth as a whole), even if it's been consumed and twisted into a decayed and diseased... "thing," and forever damn the ones who did it to us.
Mans probably one of the top streamers in the world and put out videos of this quality. There’s still hope for content creators. Ty for restoring my hope
I’ve been playing since Wrath, husband played 05-06 and I convinced him to come back. He picked it up quickly, but we just play casually. World content, dungeons, quests. Mid-30s and all I feel like after work is logging in and feeling like I made a little progress. Looking forward to Plunderstorm though! We miss old school PvP, and think this could really be right up our alley.
@davehubi7184 he's probably using the front camera of his phone which creates this mirrored effect that means if his shirt had a word it would look like it's backward too like the flag.
I came across a podcast the other day that was all about how to get better at healing in WoW. The number one tip was to spend your time/effort on improving your UI (Addons, type of information, weakaura, placement etc...) rather than playing the game. That was a stark reminder of the barriers that prevent me from returning to retail.
I think there are other things to. Like I hate having to heal through stupid. Or in leveling dungeons and end game content at times, it's just a go go go speed fest. Heal us all while we tank and dps the entire dungeon, and pull the whole dungeon with every mob at once, in one shot. It's bullshit lol. I never will heal or tank in this game again. Like even dps sucks sometimes because I can't even get spells off at times on mobs and bosses in a 5 man dungeon run or whatever. Like how can groups clear shit so quickly. The methodical learner mentality for any type of information, whether it is in wow, or in real life knowledge of importance and all that. The methodical learner approach is completely dead. Go fast or get fucked. And go forward with shit regardless of whether you agree with it or not or get fucked. Like I legit don't even have drive to even go to work or exist anymore half the time. Although wow is still pretty fun. It is just a different game. And I play so rapidly differently compared to how other people play. I think the only addon I use is silver dragon and camel tracker. Still trying to find camel figurines in uldum.
Yeah same problem with Eras too. SOD has turned into a joke because all the retail nerds make it impossible for casual players to actually enjoy end game because you need to have 99 parse to run a 40 raid. It’s pretty silly.
I never got into healing precisely for that reason, I don't want to have to download a bunch of addons and configure them and do all that to be able to do my class decently. That's why I enjoy SOD, I haven't healed a raid before until SOD and I'm getting by with just the default UI (well, and deadly boss mods of course). Never used a weakaura in my life, and I don't plan to lol
I mean, ultimately, addons are an alternative to skill. If you want to do a thing, but not have to put the effort in to watching the information on your screen and/or getting better, get an addon. But the game is 100% playable with zero addons, so please don't blame them for you not playing.
New player to retail here. Just learned abt things such as simming, gems, and enchantments. Btw things I’ve never heard of and things that the game never told me abt and apparently I’m supposed to do them if I want to do high lvl content. Legit signed up for a raid the other day and was told I wasn’t enchanted and I was like wtf is enchanting
As someone who has raised heroic for a long time. Enchants/sims/ all the minutia really doesn't matter. Gear, playing your class right, and doing mechanics correctly will get you very far. Don't fall into the trap of min/max.
Enchants and gems aren't useless by any means, if you have enchants and gems on all your gear, the amount of stats you get is like having an extra item or two. It is true however that the game doesn't provide you with that information, it expects you to already know somehow.
@@themcnugget7624It used to be the beauty of the game, you had to figure all of this out yourself at your own pace. Too rushed, now. New players can’t enjoy it.
I will give my perspective as a new player. I started playing just a few months ago, and I agree with you partially - Yes there is allot to take in and you easy get overwhelmed if you think about all the tings you can do and collect. But what I focused on was just to take in the world and the story. I tried to explore the world and not only speedrun the quests. I red them and and tried to take in the story. And that made my experience much better and more fun! I have tried to be social and interacted with players along the way, and I have already made a new friend that is from my home nation. I understand if this is not the typical new player (or im wrong and im very typical). But for how i played and tried to enjoy the game, I never felt overwhelmed! Thanks for a good video and a interesting perspective :)
Yeah thats cool and I'm glad you're enjoying the game, but some of us have been around wow for 20 years and the story doesn't matter much anymore. Constantly starting over gets annoying. I agree with Asmon but I also won't go back to classic. It's boring.
Addon dev here. This game made me fall in love with the lua language and it has made me a better dev over the decade but I totally agree with your take on them. When I first started, it was like a mountain I was climbing for the first time. Full of discovery and that brand new book smell. Fast forward to now, addons are quantity over quality and I hope addons go away and take the ones that make the game better and make them baseline.
This. Addons make up for the horrible base game UI that hasn't evolved with the game/new mechanics. Addons are a requirement to succeed and new casual players arent going to take the time to figure that all out and set it all up just to be on the same level as the average wow player. Installing the game you should be on the same playing field as everyone else apart from in game knowledge/experience.
I do 14M-16M damage in PVP and have yet to get kicked out of a raid with 0 adds ons lol I don’t have time to get into add ons and how to set up weak aura for each toon but still super enjoy the game and don’t necessarily think I’m terrible without the add ons
When the game gets to the point you have to spend half your time programing and reprogramming your ui to play a game you might as well set up another computer to play it for you imo.
We’re just long, LONG overdue for “WoW 2”. The game needs a full, 100% reset to kill the fomo and needless over complexity that comes from building on top of one platform for 20 years.
Many will disagree with this but it’s the truth. I doubt the community is getting bigger, and there’s no way the current game is appealing to younger generations
I completely agree that it is hard to approach as a new player...I thought about giving it a try last year, but after talking to a buddy that plays, I realized that I simply don't have the time to get caught up on everything...It is very overwhelming!
@@fremenlemon655 But compare that to a game where you can get in, the tutorial explains enough that you can do well, and you can learn the rest organically without issue and it's pretty clear why WoW gets far less new players than almost any other game of the genre.
@@drakefisher6317 I quit once I saw the constant treadmill, not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months. Came back for classic, which was great fun for a while though, new players should probably play that.
@@fremenlemon655 It's all about attitude, "not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months" is the wrong attitude for wow. The more healthy way to look at it is achievements or rating. Setting goals (not gear based ones) and working forwards them is fulfilling. Don't grind a dungeon over and over to get a drop, push it higher and higher for rating. I understand you are doing the same thing, running a dungeon, but it's the mental aspect that is different. If you don't enjoy the gameplay (doing the dungeon for example) than no amount of virtual gear will fix that. This will often lead to more seasonal sytle of play though.
Narratively it’s really disengaging, too. The whole BFA expansion I was making jokes that the Heart of Azeroth would just get replaced by some random green we found questing. And while it was a blue one, that’s exactly what happened. Not a good look when the symbol of your bond with the spirit of the planet gets swapped out for a little trinket between lovers in the Shadowlands and it’s an upgrade.
it happened when Burning crusade launched. ppl in full Naxx gear had their items replaced by a quest green or random green drop from a mob. WoD to shadowlands did a good job where late game raiding gear would last up to mostly to max lvl dungeons.
@@iFYMxDRKNSFALLSalways kinda felt like this wasn't true, not enough people even did Naxx for it to have been a massive issue, and even then which pieces were you replacing in outland before Ring of Blood, etc
i know a few self made multi-millionaires who are the most cheapskate mfers you are ever likely to meet. They splurge on a few things but still shop the discount aisle for everything else. I guess that's why they still have money. Its usually the trust fund kiddies who try to throw money around then a few years later they wonder where it all went.
LMAO TRUE, no matter how old youtube gets, the worse quality cameras with W takes will always stay some of the most top content creators @@dievictoria93
I know exactly why Plunderstorm is limited only for one reason is MONEY! Make people resub, it is what they want! Where is the patch for World of Warcraft? ZERO!!! Blizzard gave up on retail!!! It is unbelievable!
I haven't logged on for quite some time in SOD, actually for a reason you mentioned. I really wanted to go back and enjoy getting back into WoW after a long time. Unfortunately I am not consistent with how much time I can put in (sometimes a lot, sometimes none at all). And after a period I couldn't play, I came back and suddenly saw people asking to have cleared stuff already to be able to join, like wtf, it's level 25 WoW what are you on about. It felt people treated it more like a race to status than a game. I might give it one more shot at some point, but not sure yet. Ed: Can only imagine how I would feel in retail 😳
You don’t have to play much to be able to play higher end content in retail. That’s a misconception…I play 1-2 hours a day and sometimes not even that and I do plus 20 keys
My Experience as a new WOW player. I started playing with DF, a week before launch. WOW has always piqued my interest but was never able to play it until now. I have had a lot of fun. I play solo, been in a guild since day 1 but don't interact with them a lot. Keybinding took me a good while to figure out, and even longer to find a way to organize my UI in a way I felt comfortable. Talent tree was challenging, I play as a Dratchyr and I went from having a handful of abilities in the Forbidden Reach to a whole talent tree by the time I got to Ogrimar. It took me almost a whole year to realize there are rotations and that the order I use my abilities will affect how much damage I do (learned this when I got kicked out of a raid for not doing enough damage). LUST and Interrupt were another obstacle I faced, people kept screaming for me to LUST but I had no ability called LUST, it took a very helpful person to explain to me that "Fury of the Aspects" and any other ability like it is called LUST or HERO because they were the first of their kind. The story was a bit of a mess at first. I had just witnessed Raszageth escape and suddenly Im standing in frozen wasteland with the sky shattered above me, I was shown a cinematic and I had no idea who Bolvar or Sylvanas were or what they had to do with Raszageth. It has taken me 1 year and a half to get caught up with the lore. I'm all caught up with DF and fully finished Shadowlands. I think there should be NPCs that guide you through things like Keybinding and Talent Tree, also add a Lorewalker to each main city and let them tell you the story of Azeroth, from the age of the old gods to current events, make it easy for players to catch up, Im so thankful for Nobbel87 and PlatinumWOW. But the main thing that needs to change is veteran players attitude towards new players, have some patience, don't just kick someone because they don't know how to use certain ability or do a mechanic perfectly in their first try.
As valid as your point is about vets approach to new players, ya should always state you're new and don't know all the terminology used in group play for M+ or raids. Communication goes a long ways. If you don't say a thing, or prompt people your lack of knowledge and they get mad at you, that's on you.
@@RandoCDN87 When you tell them you are new you get kicked out. I got AOTC Amirdrassil a while ago and every single week I see people getting kicked out because they don't know mechanics or don't get them right right away (specially on Nymue and the Council). Asmon is sitting here talking about the game being unfriendly to new players, yet he is a prime example of unfriendly while doing raids. So most people will fake it til they make it because anything else will get you kicked.
This is why I don't do dungeons 😅 I know I'm bad, I'm not here to be the top dps or play hard-core, but others judge you for not being better. You make one mistake and you're trash. They vote to kick you or just stop helping. It's a problem.
Honestly you should’ve started with a classic version of the game, either wrath or classic classic. Retail is a pile of hot garbage and most of the community doesn’t even consider it “WoW”. It’s a terrible representation of what the game originally was and how great it used to be. There’s also way too much going on in retail just like this video explained as “bloat” it’s just a really bad game.
Myself and a lot of others really appreciate these videos. It starts a conversation that needs to be had. I quit wow for a lot of reasons but one of the main reasons is they weren't making the game for casual players anymore. I think they're finally starting to realize they're alienating their audience and they're trying to course correct. This new game mode is 100% a beta test. Same with Sod and I'm here for it.
As someone who generally doesn't like for games to be focused on the casual audience, I completely agree that the mmo genre is one that needs to be. Forcing people into raids for cool unlocks or any major progression just feels awful to me. I just don't care about joining a big guild or having to adhere to raid times or being stuck in there for hours at a time. That makes the game not fun to me. I want to play how I like and feel like I can meaningfully progress. Things like the FOMO raid achievement mounts suck, and so many people just buy runs and make the achievement significantly less meaningful anyway. Maybe a good way to solve this issue would be to somehow separate raid gear from the rest of the game. Make a raid only gear progression system so those people can sweat as hard as they want in that content and it could carry over from raid to raid.
People are getting tired of the wow formula. Go back and play pre wow mmos it's refreshing. Gear is so much more valuable and never becomes irrelevant, leveling is actually challenging and fun, worlds are more immersive, economy actually functions like a real world economy and almost every item has value and can be sold to other players, game encourages social interaction and team work, in game money has more value, travel is all in real time and makes things more immersive. This is my experience playing horizon xi and I'm loving it. The modern mmo has lost so much of what made mmos amazing in the first place.
I totally agree. I’ve wanted to play since I was a kid and I saw my cousin play it in like 2008. I FINALLY started retail in December, and it’s been fun, but there’s so much that’s so difficult because of the age of the game. It would be so cool if it had like a complete reset I totally agree.
1. Sharding / Phasing = Dead World 2. Why do I need 2937382 stamina? 3. These new systems are so incredibly complex end game, as a 10 year wow veteran , I cba to even learn them. 4. The auction house was ruined. 5. Sunsetting like destiny 2 is needed. 6. PvP is ded basically . 7. Social contract and everyone reporting everything is boring asf. Trolling made the game more interesting and fun. 8. Twink community non existent due to the way the game is setup. 9. Almost all gear under max level is basically useless . 10. I think the layout of some game aspects is messed up and overwhelming . There’s too much going on . Cataclysm is going to be great .
Having the game never reset all expansion also kills the game, people literally cannot catch up because people won't do the old raids, casuals complained about this for fucking years
I think the problem is that it resets every single expansion and patch. There's no real sense of progress, just like asmon said, why play the game if next patch you'll be a no gear loser again? Take runescape for example, every single patch is an addition to the game, something else to do, and it doesn't invalidate other things in the game. Of course, I agree with bloat part, there's way too much complicated mechanics that don't really add to the core experience. For me the whole expansion/ patch system was broken from day one.
I have watched your videos for a while Asmon. I never once played wow but was always interested, I just started a few days ago and so far im loving it and plunderstorm is alot of fun for me. But you are right the game makes me anxious theres too much to do and i dont want to miss any content from 20 previous years. Its a game you can come back to forever though so i like that aspect.
I agree with the addons. As a healer main I’ve never used any dispel addons or weak auras or healer specific unit frames because it takes the joy of having to figure out what to do and who to heal which to me is the fun part of healing. I may not be able to get into HC guilds with this but I’m sure I enjoy raiding and mythic dungeons more than most.
Had some experiences that give me a similar outlook as yourself, all those add-ons just look like garbage popping up all over the screen, and kinda taking the fun out of testing your mettle with your natural skills in game. 🔥
It's ultimately part of all the meta gaming that turns an adventure rpg into "crunch the numbers so you can finish the "simulation" as quick as possible." It's no longer about the fun anymore.
I agree. Even from a hardcore perspective just recently getting CE with priest ive really cut back on weakauras and addons. Weakauras especially are out of control. You "need" some like super mega pack and macros that cause your PC to start sounding like a plane take off just to kill a boss. Its a bit much lol, Cleaner screen the better. Only gripe is healing naturally has more screen clutter- frames taking up visibility- dying from Smolderon waves coming from under those frames :(. I find it a huge failure in design that rotations to even optimize take weakauras because they dont supply any useful ui elements for your rotation. Whirlwind stacks for fury, Kyrian Spark on arcane... Even your tier set effects. Like... too much
Back when I used to play (quit like 4 days into DF) my issue with natural healing was how hideous the default UIs are and how many abilities some specs needed because keybinds. I used mouse over macros for ages which helped but eventually switched to healing frames. I think things need to be redesigned and decluttered to heal naturally in high end content.
I just kicked on classic and made a new warrior. I haven’t watched any guides, I have no add-ons, and I’m just doing quests. The game at its foundation is so good.
@@trv_o oh yes its is. fist off there is nothing to do. classes are boring. content is to easy and almost non existent. if its new for you thats fine but for someone who plays wow since almost the beginning... its just a big fat nope. the only reason i would play it again is when blizzard gives us the option get stuff for my main account the i did mis out or blizzard did not ad even if i should have it... ergo just to collect stuff. and do not get me wrong i had a fun time playing wow classic bc and wrath at the day but holy fuck i spend enough time ine there to realise how boring it was. wow is now better at every thing it does... is it perfect? nope but still better... even shadowlands i hated was better than classic.
"I really love the game but I wish I had a reason to play it" this is basically sums up how I feel about retail wow as well. I started playing the game when I was like 7 years old during TBC and I still love World of Warcraft but for the most part nothing about the new expansion's gameplay or story excites me.
I don't comment a lot on RUclips but I just want to say thanks for making this video. I feel like you've perfectly articulated how I've felt about WoW for a long time. Great video.
You will probably never see this message, but I would like to say your take is 100% accurate for me. I am one of those "would-be new players" that feels deterred by the game's current state. There was a time not too long ago where I was interested in checking out WoW, but after I looked into it I realized it would take a HUGE time investment to be at all decent at the game. I would have spend hours researching the past content to know how things got to where they are in the game currently so I'm up to speed, spend time researching what addons are needed and why, spend time downloading and setting up those addons, spend time to look into what content I should be setting as my goals throughout my progression, spend time learning the meta, and then after all that comes the time investment to actually get my character endgame. Also, lets be real, I would also have to either find a group/guild willing to take me in under their wing, or never get anywhere. I've played MMOs before, so I am not afraid of the grind, the learning curve for raids, or even farming gear, but tacking on all of this other mess just makes the game feel not worth it to me. It would take WAY too much to get to the point where I actually get to be relevant with my character so I can enjoy beating content as a contributing party member.
i ended up skipping wow and going to private servers because guilds would advertise themselves to new players. they'll powerlevel you and gear you and show you what to do and you'll be raiding in a week. or if you want a learning experience with classic wow a lot of players have flocked to turtle wow which is a very slow paced version of vanilla with some tbc and custom content sewn in. i had so much trouble finding a guild in retail that would help me and the communities in private servers are so much better for new players.
With all due respect most of this is just wrong when it comes to dragonflight. I understand the complaints about addons they are rlly annoying to set up the first time and it's stupid that you need them to enjoy the harder content of the game. But on your other complaints, 1. There is no reason whatsoever to research past content unless ur rlly interested in lore. You simply hop into endgame content and there are two grinds (raid and mythic+) 2. The meta doesn't matter at all until you get to super high end keys and it completely shifts every season so just play what you think looks cool and by the time you are good at it there is a good chance it will be in the meta (except ww monk god forbid) 3. WoW is probably the fastest mmo to get to endgame content besides maybe GW2. This might be a problem you just have with mmos but it is not unique to wow. 4. I have thouroughly enjoyed these last few seasons and got the main achievements people shoot for almost fully through public lobbies. Although of course its nice to make friends along the way. I would say it takes around a week to get end game on ur first character and then depending on if you boost or not it takes like a couple hours - a couple days for any alts.
Wtf are ypu talking about the "current state of the game" the game is better then it has been simce years dragonflight is one of the best xpacs wow ever had the gameplay, zones, raid and dungeons are so fkn good. All the required grinds to play the game properly and gain power are compleatly gone. Its 100% the best modern xpac
its trickled into everything. 40 different currencies and what the fuck is the crafting system now? I decided to get back in to playing and try DF and the crafting system is so damn exhausting and a complete time sink.
This has happened to me with Destiny 2. It's just a treadmill with the reward of the continuation of a story I'm invested in, and the parts of the gameplay I actually enjoy. It's heartbreaking.
The middle 80% of players feeling snubbed is a problem that FFXIV has right now as well, with normal content in endwalker being insultingly easy and extreme/savage content being as hard as ever. Normal and alliance raids this expact are easy, story and post-story dungeons are easy as piss, players lack a fun challenge that doesn't take that much investment. Fortunately the director said he's aware they've made the normal stuff to easy and wants to bring some complexity back.
Yes you are absolutely right on every single point. I am 19 year old student from Serbia. Plunderstorm is a great game mode but when i tell my friends to play with me and they realize they have to pay a sub they are immediately turned off. It's a huge problem for people outside the west for this game to be appealing because of that sub. I personally think free trial that they already have should be extended much more. Addons are an absolute bloat, it takes so long to set up everything just to get declined because of AOTC. Season 3 is a prime example,i've taken a break from the game,came very late into the season but i couldn't for the longest time get into Heroic because of before mentioned AOTC. I have been playing retail for a year and i know that this sounds unbelievable,but i still can't find an active guild that's just willing to do leveling or some chill content in general. Don't get me wrong,i like endgame content,i got Keystone master in Season 2 and 3 on Preservation Evoker,i play arenas from time to time aswell. But raids are being so gatekept that its damn near impossible to get into a HC if you haven't played every week from season start. I love the lore too, i have 15 books,got few loremaster achievements,but the lore is also ruined since BFA. Plundestorm is truly a step in the right direction
sylvanas did nothing wrong though. made me come back after a few year hiatus. too bad they got rid of her though, so i stopped playing again. should've stayed the cheftain of the horde, it was so badass. she had larger balls than any other one too, to finally induce pvp instead of all the peaceful trash. also, kosovo je srbija
I played classic wow with my wife for almost a year straight. My wife and I have never played mouse and keyboard, and there’s a specific mod called consoleport that lets you use a controller to play World of Warcraft. It was the only on we used, but for people like me, I couldn’t play the game without it.
As someone who bounces from mouse and keyboard to xbox controller on my pc, i cant for the life of me understand how anyone could ever play wow with a controller and actually be able to fully utilize your class. I tried Balders Gate 3 with controller and the UI was so terrible to navigate compared to mouse and keyboard ui, i couldnt play with it for more than an hour before i had to switch back. Addon or no, not for me lol , but glad it worked for yall
@@endgamerlvl1that's because you can use both (let's be honest you probably barely use control), someone that's been using one device their whole life will not want to use another or they simply do not like Mnk.
@@endgamerlvl1 the right stick essentially acts as the mouse, and the left stick acts as your WASD movement. If you’re familiar with how Final Fantasy 14 let’s players use their controller, wow is very similar with the add on. Each ability is mapped to a different button, and then pressing L2, or R2 takes you to a different screen with more abilities. Pressing in on the right stick acts as a right click, pressing in on the left stick acts as a left click. It’s a little jank, but it was still easier for me to use than figure out MNK.
I STARTED PLAYING WOW DURING CATA - here is my take. When I started playing WoW Cata was a fresh breath of air. The only other MMO I have played up until this point was RuneScape. I was so addicted to WoW once I finally made the decision to play it. I played consistently all the way through until the first season of WoD. I then went to college and quit the game entirely. I got sick of it, it felt like a chore. Recently, (November 2023) I came back to Dragon Flight Season 3. I'm mainly a PvP player so I've been grinding retail PvP. I've managed to hit 2400 in solo shuffle this season and 2200 in 3s, and 2300 in 2s. It's been a ton of fun, but my GOD THE LEARNING CURVE WAS INSANE. I've been lucky to have a very slow period at my job the past few months so I've been able to play an ungodly amount of WoW (and video games in general). Normally I would never be able to do this, but I was. So I was able to get addicted to it again. But if I didn't have this free time there is no fucking way in hell I would achieve the success I found. I also managed to hit 3500 io in M+ and HAVE NEVER PVE'D BEFORE IN MY LIFE UNTIL DFS3. But again, the amount of addons and other bullshit I needed to get here is insane. The barrier to entry would not have been overcome by me again if I didn't have a ton of prior hours in this game. This game is NOT friendly to new players, and it is EXTREMELY bloated. I love it very much and I don't want it to die, but as soon as my work picks up again, I'll fall off. As will every other player that has a life outside of WoW. And it sucks honestly. The game is great, the current state of the game is not. It's over designed and under optimized. I hope blizzard makes good decisions moving forward and helps keep the game we all love alive. Sincerely, a WoW player since childhood. Thanks :)
when they introduced "ahead of the curve" I was like well my raiding guild had server transfered at that moment so my chances of getitng it were low, my server was basically dead, add in like several years of ahead of the curve and its like people have tens of mounts I can't ever obtain, why would I want to come back ?
Yeah i am a big Fan of the game and the games is so optimized that i've stopped playing retails, because i was tired of sitting for 3hours (after work) just trying to find a group to play with (if you want to do M+ or Rated Bg) which is a shame. and i've started playing classic and god it feel refreshing i'm 23 of years and so i've never got to experienced it glad they added sod
Recently decided to give retail wow a go, i did the tutorial island then got dropped in stormwind and was totally lost. I ended up starting BFA as a timewalk like the game wanted and noped out after twenty minutes. The whole thing was really alienating as a new player.
I am glad that someone was allowed to make this one off fun project that could think outside of the box, I am not jumping in because that would mean downloading the huge file and also I am allocating my free time to painting miniatures these days, its much more satisfying.
I think games like Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2 have been good examples of gear not being devalued by every expansion. Sometimes gear from past expansions can be BIS for certain scenarios or give you reason to even go back and replay old content to grind out old sets.
I've been playing gw2 since HoT expansion and still run the gear from those days today. Being honest, the game is still more fun than wow ever was to me, even without gear chasing every new expansion... I don't know... maybe the treadmill he speaks of is real o.0
Totally agree Asmon I actually just ordered my first ever PC a Star Forge! And I have always wanted to try WoW but I feel overwhelmed starting it and have no idea where to meet people who wont mind helping out a first time player.
I think what this demonstrates is the flexibility of wows engine for very different types of games and that is actually really cool and something they should continue to explore
Sup Zack! I am a new player to WoW and I do agree with you. I haven't downloaded or used any add-ons cause I find all of it so overwhelming. I paid my subscription this month for the first time and im currently leveling up a Hunter and playing Plunderstorm, which by the way, is freaking awesome. Great video man
I did a BFD last night and the latest DBM wasn’t working so we cleared it without DBM. Honestly it was awesome and more challenging than something just telling you what to do. I really like some of the points people made here and I just wanted to highlight what would be a good fix (similar ff14 approach): 1) no addons period, this includes combat log data for wcl purposes. 2) game ui allows more customization to move bars, move ui elements, etc. to add customization. 3) the game will recognize your performance based on all factors (not just dps, like doing mechanics) and give you a grade for your performance so you know how you did and only you can see. Could implement a reward system for good performance but this is delicate as it could lead to gatekeeping
I've done full mythic raids, did a ton of m+ and I completely agree that game's overreliance on addons is at completely absurd levels. And Blizzard is designing those Mythic fights in such a way that it's either you're 0.001% top guild or you HAVE to download like 5 complex weak auras for a single boss fight. It also sucks to think that you wouldn't even be able to kill a boss without so much help from WAs. Echo of Neltharion is the best example: the WA for him probably has more lines of code than the fight itself and it draws a whole fucking interactive map of the fight so that everyone knows where to stand in each phase. Sure It is probably possible to do it without it if you're top 0.00001% guild or you just have to spend like 500 tries for everyone in the raid and substitute players to learn the positions in a fight that is already challenging by itself. The fight is designed in such a way that you have to react extremely fast and without such a map it's ridiculously difficult to make each of 20 people learn every position. The only possible solution is to at least limit the API severely. Leave CD trackers and UI mods, disable everything that's parsing enemy data except for maybe your debuffs. This in turn will result in more adequately designed fights.
I totally agree with everything, but would add that it's not a 0.001% OR you download 5 complex wear auras because the 0.001% have 6 complex weak auras. blizzard is designing encounters for weak auras
Only thing you need DBM and you dont even need to set it up and if you take the time to actually learn what the bosses and add's do you dont even need DBM
first experience on WoW was Shadowlands. Luckily I had buddies who helped me use the Add Ons and do many dungeons and raids. I had a huge amount of fun. However, your points are exactly why I dont want to get back into it even though deep down I want to give it another shot.
I agree with you Asmon. The game is never gonna be what it was to us in the early days. It’s now turned into a complete disaster and mess. And parsing has also ruined the game too. Add ons as well.
For a lot of people, WoW is a chatting platform with activities. Making the game too hard is corrosive to people who want to hang out and have fun and push themselves a little bit. I am one of the people you mention as far as being a middle-aged dude with a few kids and a job, so that means that I cannot dedicate the time it takes to incorporate everything that I need in order to be successful in retail . I do play Wrath Classic and will play Cata Classic because my guild friends and I are able to collaborate and be successful with the content without dedicating our whole lives to it and all the things that go into it.
Started back in WoTLK, played hunter appropriately named Legholas. Had no clue what was going on but I had tons of fun. Became awe inspired by Malygos in Coldarra. Learned you could fight him whilst riding a Drake! Got the abbreviation "EOE" whispered to me by deathwing. Gathered a bunch of hotheaded compatriots who love scales as much as I do. Arrived without a key.... Godbless by sheer luck we had a godgamer with an amazing keyring under his belt, the excitement was of the charts. Proceeded to wipe for 3 hours straight, learned my rotation then and there. Finally bested the aspect of magic. Won the "Blue aspect helm" my 1st raid item ever. I continued to play with some of those guys for over 10 years. i'm still playing but those moments are gone forever.
I agree and feel the same way, the issues listed in this video are the reasons I quit raiding and am exclusively a collector/leveler these days. Love the game, hate the endgame meta. One of the main reasons Totalbiscuit (Rest in Peace) quit WoW back in Cataclysm was because of how Blizzard was making previous raid tiers obsolete, and they've continued this patch treadmill to the detriment of the game.
So many times I would have liked to hear TB:s take on things that have happened in the gaming scene I loved the videos he made where he just had a monologue discussion about a topic for 45 min straight
As someone with a full time job and family finding time to play wow is difficult as you said. I really wish WoW took the runescape model. What I mean is all content is available to everyone and everything is still relevant and your able to play the game completely solo if desired in a living breathing world and if you want to group you can aswell. I would love to be able to go into the new raid or dungeon solo and see how far I can get the social aspect will not disappear RS as the prime example proves this maybe this is just me but I think this would revive the game
hot take : parse runs are DIFFERENT than "checking logs" runs. I just dont want to waste my time with timmys 4th alt, carrying him because he tells me he "pumps" Sorry zach!
About the lack of MMO, it's so atrocious that WowHead even made an article that low drop rate holiday mounts aren't healthy for the game. The retail playerbase is completely brain rotted, they don't want anything MMO about their MMO.
subscription for a 20 year old game thats really not that fun anymore is another nail in the coffin of wow.....its what permanently pushes alot of people out of the game that would at least play it casually if it actually had a business model that doesnt just kill the playerbase more and more each expansion that you also pay as a full new aaa game....guess the approach is to just milk the die hard fans to the very last drop and count on many nostalgia junkies to buy the new expansion and play for a month or two and quit....moneys in the bank while the game is an elitist graveyard borefest..
WoW is like the sinking Titanic and Zack is that guy that chained himself to the bow of the ship, I honestly think hes just terrified to completely let go despite saying in the past that he knows hes not the target audience for the game anymore, much like myself but the differance being I completely quit a few expansions ago.
A lot of what you've said here really resonates with me. People forget that this game used to be a fantasy world you logged into to explore, see what was out there to find, and interact with other people. The way people play it now, with a do-thing-to-get-reward goal oriented mindset is very similar to how you treat a job. Imagine if you paid your employer to allow you to work there. That's how people have treated the game for the last decade and it has majorly influenced the way it has been designed. What you also said about the game feeling like "you don't play the game, you just play the current patch" is very true and I think is one of the worst aspects of WoW's design. It is FOMO to the max and the crazy thing is almost no other MMO is designed like that. Runescape, XIV, GW2, ESO you name it - you can just log in and play through it like it's an RPG. You can't really do that with retail. The game pushes you high speed towards endgame, and when you get there you find that there's no point in doing anything but the current patch. It may well be too late, but I think Blizzards needs to be reminded that a lot of people just want to log in and enjoy themselves exploring a cool fantasy world and aren't interested in repetitive gear grinds tailored for high end players minmaxxing with external resources to optimize their gameplay.
Great example of time and effort for gear being respected was [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker], was useful well into Tier 5 content in Burning Crusade. So you could have this awesome ultimate weapon achievable at Tier 1, still being useful at Tier 4/5.
8:50 This right here is everything! There is just way to much to do and FOMO stirs people off so much more than folks may think it does if there already involved with Retail. It's a reason why I stick to SOD, Classic, etc. I can't see myself ever catching up with everything. I can say yea Plunderstorm is cool, apart me wishes it was free and it's own thing like Fortnite for example. Not sure if I like it being locked behind $15 a month, but I like the idea of the game mode for sure. Good video homie 👌🏽
This is all correct. Blizzard effectively is running a restaurant scared to change the menu so they don't lose their loyal customers. This is despite 10x customers that would eat there if they made these changes. They should watch a few episodes of Kitchen Nightmares. Damage meters are trash, addons are trash, and being forced to be a meta slave is trash.
Even trying to come back to retail is rough. I played Legion and BlizzCon this year got me all hyped up to get back into the game. The catch-back-up mechanism (chromy) does a really poor job of getting you into the story, the mechanics are so different and there's so much that I can hardly believe that any new or returning players stick with it. SoD seemed promising for a bit. I enjoyed phase 1 a lot. But come phase 2 it's like the sweats have emerged from their caves. Want to get to 40? Better be ready to dungeon spam and grind for 3 days then do all the quests you skipped to farm gold! That shook me off before hitting level 30. Oh well, I wanted to finish Elden Ring anyways. Just wanted to give my 2 cents as someone who loved the game since 2004
As someone who is a part of that middle 80%, and despite that fact that I may not agree with most of Asmongold's life and hygiene choices, I do agree with his take. I was really excited when I learned what Season of Discovery was, since Classic++ always sounded like the version of WoW I always wanted. But when I learned that you needed logs of past performance to get into groups, that immediately killed any interest for me. Get rid of the add-ons, please!! All of them! And more of the middle 80% might get excited for the game.
His grease is consuming the lens
I'll just treat it like a podcast and not look at the grease
That's just Asmon, finally Ascending.
@@lolpaladinsthat is for the best.
Better this than pretend that it's the aura of jesus.
May its greasing cleanse the world! Asmon Al-Gaib!
He has an aura, he has risen.
This one's hilarious😂😂
Its his earth shield, got buffed and has a force shield aswell
Tis weak to fire !
Weak aura
That's my first thought too.
that scented candle in the back is doing gods work
That would be a great scent name
Like atlas holding up the planet
Have you ever been to a fruit warehouse where a stall or two has gotten rotten? The other berries and fruits smell nice but they just accentuate the Nurgles rot
@@ernazermekov nurgle weeps from asmon's presence
😂😂
I am playing wow since this january. I am sooooo happy my boyfriend is playing wow for over 10 years and he can answer every single one of my 100k questions. I love the game but at the same time i am sure that i would have stopped playing without his knowledge! It is just so full of unexplained things you would never think of.
This is the most relatable, for me. I’m in my second year of WoW. If it wasn’t for people who’ve been playing for twenty years, who answered my questions, I’d have probably given up. I like WoW.
I played wow for 15 years before I quit and it still makes me sad how it’s turned.. but wow will always be in my blood
@@SkunkApeOG I like to think of Blizzard as a whole as Arthas. We players will forever call our home "Lordaeron" (Azeroth as a whole), even if it's been consumed and twisted into a decayed and diseased... "thing," and forever damn the ones who did it to us.
Mans probably one of the top streamers in the world and put out videos of this quality. There’s still hope for content creators. Ty for restoring my hope
His mastery of the game has manifested in a glowing grease aura
He turned into a ghost dude, he should ressurect soon
good to see Zack is not just using the Oblivion OST but also the Bloom settings
😄
Greetings, friend. Have you come seeking the light?
LOL good one
Just started playing through Oblivion... This is very true.
😂
480p Jesus returns!
now new with holy shine
Yay!
its like 2009 youtube again
😂Amen 🙏
> Be Multimillionaire
> Use camera from 2006
I’ve been playing since Wrath, husband played 05-06 and I convinced him to come back. He picked it up quickly, but we just play casually. World content, dungeons, quests. Mid-30s and all I feel like after work is logging in and feeling like I made a little progress. Looking forward to Plunderstorm though! We miss old school PvP, and think this could really be right up our alley.
my approach to game design has always been:
ignore the deeply endgame players
envision things as if you were a new player
"what happens when you have an aging audience? . . you fucking die" 🤣🤣🤣
Agree with that. That's why they dropped a battle royale to try to capture a GEN Z player base.
Isnt the american flag hung up on the wrong side or am i dumb? Im not american so what do i know
@davehubi7184 he's probably using the front camera of his phone which creates this mirrored effect that means if his shirt had a word it would look like it's backward too like the flag.
@@CHIM3RA. Ahh ok this makes sence
@@CHIM3RA. You're right, the Halo poster says Olah
I came across a podcast the other day that was all about how to get better at healing in WoW. The number one tip was to spend your time/effort on improving your UI (Addons, type of information, weakaura, placement etc...) rather than playing the game. That was a stark reminder of the barriers that prevent me from returning to retail.
I think there are other things to. Like I hate having to heal through stupid. Or in leveling dungeons and end game content at times, it's just a go go go speed fest. Heal us all while we tank and dps the entire dungeon, and pull the whole dungeon with every mob at once, in one shot. It's bullshit lol. I never will heal or tank in this game again.
Like even dps sucks sometimes because I can't even get spells off at times on mobs and bosses in a 5 man dungeon run or whatever. Like how can groups clear shit so quickly. The methodical learner mentality for any type of information, whether it is in wow, or in real life knowledge of importance and all that. The methodical learner approach is completely dead. Go fast or get fucked. And go forward with shit regardless of whether you agree with it or not or get fucked. Like I legit don't even have drive to even go to work or exist anymore half the time. Although wow is still pretty fun. It is just a different game. And I play so rapidly differently compared to how other people play.
I think the only addon I use is silver dragon and camel tracker. Still trying to find camel figurines in uldum.
yeah bro just get -good- better addons
Yeah same problem with Eras too. SOD has turned into a joke because all the retail nerds make it impossible for casual players to actually enjoy end game because you need to have 99 parse to run a 40 raid. It’s pretty silly.
I never got into healing precisely for that reason, I don't want to have to download a bunch of addons and configure them and do all that to be able to do my class decently. That's why I enjoy SOD, I haven't healed a raid before until SOD and I'm getting by with just the default UI (well, and deadly boss mods of course). Never used a weakaura in my life, and I don't plan to lol
I mean, ultimately, addons are an alternative to skill. If you want to do a thing, but not have to put the effort in to watching the information on your screen and/or getting better, get an addon. But the game is 100% playable with zero addons, so please don't blame them for you not playing.
This is how my glasses look driving at night.
Same 😢
All of my rage!
This is how my eyes look when I wake up in the morning with allergies 😂
maybe clean your lensen from time to time.
New player to retail here. Just learned abt things such as simming, gems, and enchantments. Btw things I’ve never heard of and things that the game never told me abt and apparently I’m supposed to do them if I want to do high lvl content. Legit signed up for a raid the other day and was told I wasn’t enchanted and I was like wtf is enchanting
As someone who has raised heroic for a long time. Enchants/sims/ all the minutia really doesn't matter. Gear, playing your class right, and doing mechanics correctly will get you very far. Don't fall into the trap of min/max.
Enchants and gems aren't useless by any means, if you have enchants and gems on all your gear, the amount of stats you get is like having an extra item or two. It is true however that the game doesn't provide you with that information, it expects you to already know somehow.
@@KomninosA7Xit doesn’t tell you anything except how to move and attack when you first play
Play classic wow
@@themcnugget7624It used to be the beauty of the game, you had to figure all of this out yourself at your own pace. Too rushed, now. New players can’t enjoy it.
I will give my perspective as a new player. I started playing just a few months ago, and I agree with you partially - Yes there is allot to take in and you easy get overwhelmed if you think about all the tings you can do and collect. But what I focused on was just to take in the world and the story. I tried to explore the world and not only speedrun the quests. I red them and and tried to take in the story. And that made my experience much better and more fun!
I have tried to be social and interacted with players along the way, and I have already made a new friend that is from my home nation. I understand if this is not the typical new player (or im wrong and im very typical). But for how i played and tried to enjoy the game, I never felt overwhelmed!
Thanks for a good video and a interesting perspective :)
Yeah thats cool and I'm glad you're enjoying the game, but some of us have been around wow for 20 years and the story doesn't matter much anymore. Constantly starting over gets annoying. I agree with Asmon but I also won't go back to classic. It's boring.
This is why WoW classic is far more fun for new players. You don’t need to avoid most of the game like a new player (like you) does in Retail.
This camera quality gives the feel of finding tapes of someone planning to murder his family and had a small youtube channel in 2009
oddly specific
*_" This form... this glow... he has reached it hasn't he, Whis? "_*
Ultra Instinct Asmongold confirmed
more like ultra Greece
He has reached ultra grease
Ultra Instink
Quick throw something at him. . Bet it just slides right by him. Unphased
Addon dev here. This game made me fall in love with the lua language and it has made me a better dev over the decade but I totally agree with your take on them. When I first started, it was like a mountain I was climbing for the first time. Full of discovery and that brand new book smell. Fast forward to now, addons are quantity over quality and I hope addons go away and take the ones that make the game better and make them baseline.
This. Addons make up for the horrible base game UI that hasn't evolved with the game/new mechanics. Addons are a requirement to succeed and new casual players arent going to take the time to figure that all out and set it all up just to be on the same level as the average wow player. Installing the game you should be on the same playing field as everyone else apart from in game knowledge/experience.
I do 14M-16M damage in PVP and have yet to get kicked out of a raid with 0 adds ons lol I don’t have time to get into add ons and how to set up weak aura for each toon but still super enjoy the game and don’t necessarily think I’m terrible without the add ons
When the game gets to the point you have to spend half your time programing and reprogramming your ui to play a game you might as well set up another computer to play it for you imo.
We’re just long, LONG overdue for “WoW 2”. The game needs a full, 100% reset to kill the fomo and needless over complexity that comes from building on top of one platform for 20 years.
Many will disagree with this but it’s the truth. I doubt the community is getting bigger, and there’s no way the current game is appealing to younger generations
I completely agree that it is hard to approach as a new player...I thought about giving it a try last year, but after talking to a buddy that plays, I realized that I simply don't have the time to get caught up on everything...It is very overwhelming!
It is designed to take a long time, on a regular basis. you can catch up, but you have to constantly grind to stay caught up.
@@fremenlemon655 But compare that to a game where you can get in, the tutorial explains enough that you can do well, and you can learn the rest organically without issue and it's pretty clear why WoW gets far less new players than almost any other game of the genre.
@@drakefisher6317 I quit once I saw the constant treadmill, not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months. Came back for classic, which was great fun for a while though, new players should probably play that.
@@fremenlemon655 It's all about attitude, "not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months" is the wrong attitude for wow. The more healthy way to look at it is achievements or rating. Setting goals (not gear based ones) and working forwards them is fulfilling. Don't grind a dungeon over and over to get a drop, push it higher and higher for rating. I understand you are doing the same thing, running a dungeon, but it's the mental aspect that is different. If you don't enjoy the gameplay (doing the dungeon for example) than no amount of virtual gear will fix that. This will often lead to more seasonal sytle of play though.
Yet there are A LOT of new players coming all the time and praising it
Narratively it’s really disengaging, too. The whole BFA expansion I was making jokes that the Heart of Azeroth would just get replaced by some random green we found questing. And while it was a blue one, that’s exactly what happened. Not a good look when the symbol of your bond with the spirit of the planet gets swapped out for a little trinket between lovers in the Shadowlands and it’s an upgrade.
I never thought about that lol.
it happened when Burning crusade launched. ppl in full Naxx gear had their items replaced by a quest green or random green drop from a mob.
WoD to shadowlands did a good job where late game raiding gear would last up to mostly to max lvl dungeons.
That's normal, I don't want to keep old gear anyway.
And narratively it was used up.
@@iFYMxDRKNSFALLSalways kinda felt like this wasn't true, not enough people even did Naxx for it to have been a massive issue, and even then which pieces were you replacing in outland before Ring of Blood, etc
@@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS naxx bis was prebis until t4? This didn’t happen in tbc, and kinda didn’t even happen in wrath, where even some sunwell was prebis
I had to check my face if I had my glasses on, since I thought my astigmatism is in full force
underrated comment
Now regular viewers get a look at what astigmatism looks like 😂
You basically made a poll to see how many of asmons viewers are wearing glasses😂
Asmongmatism is in full force
real af lmao
People with a lot of money - *purchase expensive things*
Asmon with a lot of money - *takes out prehistoric camera from his basement*
Thats a still working camera, so what need to buy a new camera 4k or 8k one that will be a garbage in 2 years?
@@Nate_Alderliterally proving his point lol
i know a few self made multi-millionaires who are the most cheapskate mfers you are ever likely to meet. They splurge on a few things but still shop the discount aisle for everything else. I guess that's why they still have money. Its usually the trust fund kiddies who try to throw money around then a few years later they wonder where it all went.
LMAO TRUE, no matter how old youtube gets, the worse quality cameras with W takes will always stay some of the most top content creators
@@dievictoria93
@@christianalanwilson434 absolutely, luxury or status brands like gucci or prada make the most money from poor people for that reason
I know exactly why Plunderstorm is limited only for one reason is MONEY! Make people resub, it is what they want! Where is the patch for World of Warcraft? ZERO!!! Blizzard gave up on retail!!! It is unbelievable!
I haven't logged on for quite some time in SOD, actually for a reason you mentioned. I really wanted to go back and enjoy getting back into WoW after a long time. Unfortunately I am not consistent with how much time I can put in (sometimes a lot, sometimes none at all). And after a period I couldn't play, I came back and suddenly saw people asking to have cleared stuff already to be able to join, like wtf, it's level 25 WoW what are you on about. It felt people treated it more like a race to status than a game. I might give it one more shot at some point, but not sure yet. Ed: Can only imagine how I would feel in retail 😳
You had that in classic wow back in 2004
You don’t have to play much to be able to play higher end content in retail. That’s a misconception…I play 1-2 hours a day and sometimes not even that and I do plus 20 keys
@@mikko3 Then I guess I'm lucky I didn't start playing until 2006.
My Experience as a new WOW player. I started playing with DF, a week before launch. WOW has always piqued my interest but was never able to play it until now. I have had a lot of fun. I play solo, been in a guild since day 1 but don't interact with them a lot. Keybinding took me a good while to figure out, and even longer to find a way to organize my UI in a way I felt comfortable. Talent tree was challenging, I play as a Dratchyr and I went from having a handful of abilities in the Forbidden Reach to a whole talent tree by the time I got to Ogrimar. It took me almost a whole year to realize there are rotations and that the order I use my abilities will affect how much damage I do (learned this when I got kicked out of a raid for not doing enough damage). LUST and Interrupt were another obstacle I faced, people kept screaming for me to LUST but I had no ability called LUST, it took a very helpful person to explain to me that "Fury of the Aspects" and any other ability like it is called LUST or HERO because they were the first of their kind. The story was a bit of a mess at first. I had just witnessed Raszageth escape and suddenly Im standing in frozen wasteland with the sky shattered above me, I was shown a cinematic and I had no idea who Bolvar or Sylvanas were or what they had to do with Raszageth. It has taken me 1 year and a half to get caught up with the lore. I'm all caught up with DF and fully finished Shadowlands. I think there should be NPCs that guide you through things like Keybinding and Talent Tree, also add a Lorewalker to each main city and let them tell you the story of Azeroth, from the age of the old gods to current events, make it easy for players to catch up, Im so thankful for Nobbel87 and PlatinumWOW. But the main thing that needs to change is veteran players attitude towards new players, have some patience, don't just kick someone because they don't know how to use certain ability or do a mechanic perfectly in their first try.
As valid as your point is about vets approach to new players, ya should always state you're new and don't know all the terminology used in group play for M+ or raids.
Communication goes a long ways.
If you don't say a thing, or prompt people your lack of knowledge and they get mad at you, that's on you.
@@RandoCDN87 When you tell them you are new you get kicked out. I got AOTC Amirdrassil a while ago and every single week I see people getting kicked out because they don't know mechanics or don't get them right right away (specially on Nymue and the Council). Asmon is sitting here talking about the game being unfriendly to new players, yet he is a prime example of unfriendly while doing raids. So most people will fake it til they make it because anything else will get you kicked.
This is why I don't do dungeons 😅 I know I'm bad, I'm not here to be the top dps or play hard-core, but others judge you for not being better. You make one mistake and you're trash. They vote to kick you or just stop helping. It's a problem.
Honestly you should’ve started with a classic version of the game, either wrath or classic classic. Retail is a pile of hot garbage and most of the community doesn’t even consider it “WoW”. It’s a terrible representation of what the game originally was and how great it used to be. There’s also way too much going on in retail just like this video explained as “bloat” it’s just a really bad game.
@damg91195 not the same, Asmon wants people who know for the carry..I don't blame him, he has the platform and fame to do so.
Myself and a lot of others really appreciate these videos. It starts a conversation that needs to be had. I quit wow for a lot of reasons but one of the main reasons is they weren't making the game for casual players anymore. I think they're finally starting to realize they're alienating their audience and they're trying to course correct. This new game mode is 100% a beta test. Same with Sod and I'm here for it.
As someone who generally doesn't like for games to be focused on the casual audience, I completely agree that the mmo genre is one that needs to be. Forcing people into raids for cool unlocks or any major progression just feels awful to me. I just don't care about joining a big guild or having to adhere to raid times or being stuck in there for hours at a time. That makes the game not fun to me. I want to play how I like and feel like I can meaningfully progress. Things like the FOMO raid achievement mounts suck, and so many people just buy runs and make the achievement significantly less meaningful anyway.
Maybe a good way to solve this issue would be to somehow separate raid gear from the rest of the game. Make a raid only gear progression system so those people can sweat as hard as they want in that content and it could carry over from raid to raid.
What the fuck are you people smoking? The game has literally never been more casual than it is now.
The vast majority of content is solo accessible.
The WoW Jesus has come thee shining himself up with his hands holy grease on the camera lens.
Reminds me of that unbreakable shaman video
horrible comment
i think the biggest issue with retail is how easy fast and non impact the whole leveling system works
Tbh, Im surprised there is still leveling in the game. That we dont start the game already as max level.
@@biostar3697 true, seems so useless at this point which sucks cause that is the best part of mmos for me
@@GhandiiI remember, when they changed the scaling, .. I was like, yeah, thats it, this is the end of fun, atleast the leveling fun part.
People are getting tired of the wow formula. Go back and play pre wow mmos it's refreshing. Gear is so much more valuable and never becomes irrelevant, leveling is actually challenging and fun, worlds are more immersive, economy actually functions like a real world economy and almost every item has value and can be sold to other players, game encourages social interaction and team work, in game money has more value, travel is all in real time and makes things more immersive. This is my experience playing horizon xi and I'm loving it. The modern mmo has lost so much of what made mmos amazing in the first place.
The mold in his room is starting to manifest into a shiny smog that burns through my monitor.
Absolutely spot on takes here, I love the way you put this all into words and I couldn't agree more!
This one hits home for me. It’s spot on in everything and I feel the same about wow in all the ways you mention!
I totally agree. I’ve wanted to play since I was a kid and I saw my cousin play it in like 2008. I FINALLY started retail in December, and it’s been fun, but there’s so much that’s so difficult because of the age of the game. It would be so cool if it had like a complete reset I totally agree.
1. Sharding / Phasing = Dead World
2. Why do I need 2937382 stamina?
3. These new systems are so incredibly complex end game, as a 10 year wow veteran , I cba to even learn them.
4. The auction house was ruined.
5. Sunsetting like destiny 2 is needed.
6. PvP is ded basically .
7. Social contract and everyone reporting everything is boring asf. Trolling made the game more interesting and fun.
8. Twink community non existent due to the way the game is setup.
9. Almost all gear under max level is basically useless .
10. I think the layout of some game aspects is messed up and overwhelming . There’s too much going on .
Cataclysm is going to be great .
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I’m a 20 year veteran player of WoW, the state of retail saddens me, I’ve been finding some enjoyment with classic but I totally agree with you.
Having the game never reset all expansion also kills the game, people literally cannot catch up because people won't do the old raids, casuals complained about this for fucking years
I think the problem is that it resets every single expansion and patch. There's no real sense of progress, just like asmon said, why play the game if next patch you'll be a no gear loser again? Take runescape for example, every single patch is an addition to the game, something else to do, and it doesn't invalidate other things in the game. Of course, I agree with bloat part, there's way too much complicated mechanics that don't really add to the core experience. For me the whole expansion/ patch system was broken from day one.
I have watched your videos for a while Asmon. I never once played wow but was always interested, I just started a few days ago and so far im loving it and plunderstorm is alot of fun for me. But you are right the game makes me anxious theres too much to do and i dont want to miss any content from 20 previous years. Its a game you can come back to forever though so i like that aspect.
I agree with the addons. As a healer main I’ve never used any dispel addons or weak auras or healer specific unit frames because it takes the joy of having to figure out what to do and who to heal which to me is the fun part of healing. I may not be able to get into HC guilds with this but I’m sure I enjoy raiding and mythic dungeons more than most.
Had some experiences that give me a similar outlook as yourself, all those add-ons just look like garbage popping up all over the screen, and kinda taking the fun out of testing your mettle with your natural skills in game. 🔥
@@1ViivviiX1bad enough actually trying to down a boss for the first time without watching a tutorial is not even an option anymore.
It's ultimately part of all the meta gaming that turns an adventure rpg into "crunch the numbers so you can finish the "simulation" as quick as possible." It's no longer about the fun anymore.
I agree. Even from a hardcore perspective just recently getting CE with priest ive really cut back on weakauras and addons. Weakauras especially are out of control. You "need" some like super mega pack and macros that cause your PC to start sounding like a plane take off just to kill a boss. Its a bit much lol, Cleaner screen the better. Only gripe is healing naturally has more screen clutter- frames taking up visibility- dying from Smolderon waves coming from under those frames :(. I find it a huge failure in design that rotations to even optimize take weakauras because they dont supply any useful ui elements for your rotation. Whirlwind stacks for fury, Kyrian Spark on arcane... Even your tier set effects. Like... too much
Back when I used to play (quit like 4 days into DF) my issue with natural healing was how hideous the default UIs are and how many abilities some specs needed because keybinds. I used mouse over macros for ages which helped but eventually switched to healing frames. I think things need to be redesigned and decluttered to heal naturally in high end content.
I just kicked on classic and made a new warrior. I haven’t watched any guides, I have no add-ons, and I’m just doing quests. The game at its foundation is so good.
na its not ist just boring and a slog
no it's not, I started playing in shadowlands prepatch and classic is pretty good
@@trv_o oh yes its is. fist off there is nothing to do. classes are boring. content is to easy and almost non existent. if its new for you thats fine but for someone who plays wow since almost the beginning... its just a big fat nope. the only reason i would play it again is when blizzard gives us the option get stuff for my main account the i did mis out or blizzard did not ad even if i should have it... ergo just to collect stuff. and do not get me wrong i had a fun time playing wow classic bc and wrath at the day but holy fuck i spend enough time ine there to realise how boring it was. wow is now better at every thing it does... is it perfect? nope but still better... even shadowlands i hated was better than classic.
"I really love the game but I wish I had a reason to play it" this is basically sums up how I feel about retail wow as well. I started playing the game when I was like 7 years old during TBC and I still love World of Warcraft but for the most part nothing about the new expansion's gameplay or story excites me.
I don't comment a lot on RUclips but I just want to say thanks for making this video.
I feel like you've perfectly articulated how I've felt about WoW for a long time.
Great video.
This is such a good take. Many of us willing to come back. We're just waiting, hopefully not in vain.
You will probably never see this message, but I would like to say your take is 100% accurate for me. I am one of those "would-be new players" that feels deterred by the game's current state. There was a time not too long ago where I was interested in checking out WoW, but after I looked into it I realized it would take a HUGE time investment to be at all decent at the game. I would have spend hours researching the past content to know how things got to where they are in the game currently so I'm up to speed, spend time researching what addons are needed and why, spend time downloading and setting up those addons, spend time to look into what content I should be setting as my goals throughout my progression, spend time learning the meta, and then after all that comes the time investment to actually get my character endgame. Also, lets be real, I would also have to either find a group/guild willing to take me in under their wing, or never get anywhere. I've played MMOs before, so I am not afraid of the grind, the learning curve for raids, or even farming gear, but tacking on all of this other mess just makes the game feel not worth it to me. It would take WAY too much to get to the point where I actually get to be relevant with my character so I can enjoy beating content as a contributing party member.
i ended up skipping wow and going to private servers because guilds would advertise themselves to new players. they'll powerlevel you and gear you and show you what to do and you'll be raiding in a week.
or if you want a learning experience with classic wow a lot of players have flocked to turtle wow which is a very slow paced version of vanilla with some tbc and custom content sewn in.
i had so much trouble finding a guild in retail that would help me and the communities in private servers are so much better for new players.
With all due respect most of this is just wrong when it comes to dragonflight. I understand the complaints about addons they are rlly annoying to set up the first time and it's stupid that you need them to enjoy the harder content of the game. But on your other complaints, 1. There is no reason whatsoever to research past content unless ur rlly interested in lore. You simply hop into endgame content and there are two grinds (raid and mythic+) 2. The meta doesn't matter at all until you get to super high end keys and it completely shifts every season so just play what you think looks cool and by the time you are good at it there is a good chance it will be in the meta (except ww monk god forbid) 3. WoW is probably the fastest mmo to get to endgame content besides maybe GW2. This might be a problem you just have with mmos but it is not unique to wow. 4. I have thouroughly enjoyed these last few seasons and got the main achievements people shoot for almost fully through public lobbies. Although of course its nice to make friends along the way. I would say it takes around a week to get end game on ur first character and then depending on if you boost or not it takes like a couple hours - a couple days for any alts.
Wtf are ypu talking about the "current state of the game" the game is better then it has been simce years dragonflight is one of the best xpacs wow ever had the gameplay, zones, raid and dungeons are so fkn good. All the required grinds to play the game properly and gain power are compleatly gone. Its 100% the best modern xpac
Guys the game is trash, it was good at the time but now it’s trash man. They could have done it right but they didn’t
@@MajesticDweller why is it trash? You cant even say whats bad about it because you dont play it xD
Explained the gear situation and why it kills my drive to play so fucking perfectly
I felt this every time in an expansion that my first leveling quest blue item would blow away the epics that I grinded raids for.
its trickled into everything. 40 different currencies and what the fuck is the crafting system now? I decided to get back in to playing and try DF and the crafting system is so damn exhausting and a complete time sink.
This has happened to me with Destiny 2. It's just a treadmill with the reward of the continuation of a story I'm invested in, and the parts of the gameplay I actually enjoy. It's heartbreaking.
Yeah, as he was talking about the reasons he dropped retail WoW, it all sounded VERY familiar as a (lapsed) Destiny player
The middle 80% of players feeling snubbed is a problem that FFXIV has right now as well, with normal content in endwalker being insultingly easy and extreme/savage content being as hard as ever. Normal and alliance raids this expact are easy, story and post-story dungeons are easy as piss, players lack a fun challenge that doesn't take that much investment.
Fortunately the director said he's aware they've made the normal stuff to easy and wants to bring some complexity back.
Love the video man. Love these types of video! Keep it up broheim!!
Yes you are absolutely right on every single point. I am 19 year old student from Serbia. Plunderstorm is a great game mode but when i tell my friends to play with me and they realize they have to pay a sub they are immediately turned off. It's a huge problem for people outside the west for this game to be appealing because of that sub. I personally think free trial that they already have should be extended much more. Addons are an absolute bloat, it takes so long to set up everything just to get declined because of AOTC. Season 3 is a prime example,i've taken a break from the game,came very late into the season but i couldn't for the longest time get into Heroic because of before mentioned AOTC. I have been playing retail for a year and i know that this sounds unbelievable,but i still can't find an active guild that's just willing to do leveling or some chill content in general. Don't get me wrong,i like endgame content,i got Keystone master in Season 2 and 3 on Preservation Evoker,i play arenas from time to time aswell. But raids are being so gatekept that its damn near impossible to get into a HC if you haven't played every week from season start. I love the lore too, i have 15 books,got few loremaster achievements,but the lore is also ruined since BFA. Plundestorm is truly a step in the right direction
I LOVE this comment, agreed!!! The sub situation definitely needs to be addressed.
sylvanas did nothing wrong though. made me come back after a few year hiatus. too bad they got rid of her though, so i stopped playing again. should've stayed the cheftain of the horde, it was so badass. she had larger balls than any other one too, to finally induce pvp instead of all the peaceful trash. also, kosovo je srbija
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I remember the commitment when my guild was going for realm first heroic icc 10.
No chance I can schedule my life around a game like that anymore.
I played classic wow with my wife for almost a year straight. My wife and I have never played mouse and keyboard, and there’s a specific mod called consoleport that lets you use a controller to play World of Warcraft. It was the only on we used, but for people like me, I couldn’t play the game without it.
As someone who bounces from mouse and keyboard to xbox controller on my pc, i cant for the life of me understand how anyone could ever play wow with a controller and actually be able to fully utilize your class. I tried Balders Gate 3 with controller and the UI was so terrible to navigate compared to mouse and keyboard ui, i couldnt play with it for more than an hour before i had to switch back. Addon or no, not for me lol , but glad it worked for yall
@@endgamerlvl1that's because you can use both (let's be honest you probably barely use control), someone that's been using one device their whole life will not want to use another or they simply do not like Mnk.
@@endgamerlvl1 the right stick essentially acts as the mouse, and the left stick acts as your WASD movement. If you’re familiar with how Final Fantasy 14 let’s players use their controller, wow is very similar with the add on. Each ability is mapped to a different button, and then pressing L2, or R2 takes you to a different screen with more abilities. Pressing in on the right stick acts as a right click, pressing in on the left stick acts as a left click. It’s a little jank, but it was still easier for me to use than figure out MNK.
Me, who has never touched WoW a single day in my life: "Ah yes, true brother! Speaking straight facts!!! This needs to change!!!!!"
I STARTED PLAYING WOW DURING CATA - here is my take. When I started playing WoW Cata was a fresh breath of air. The only other MMO I have played up until this point was RuneScape. I was so addicted to WoW once I finally made the decision to play it. I played consistently all the way through until the first season of WoD. I then went to college and quit the game entirely. I got sick of it, it felt like a chore.
Recently, (November 2023) I came back to Dragon Flight Season 3. I'm mainly a PvP player so I've been grinding retail PvP. I've managed to hit 2400 in solo shuffle this season and 2200 in 3s, and 2300 in 2s. It's been a ton of fun, but my GOD THE LEARNING CURVE WAS INSANE. I've been lucky to have a very slow period at my job the past few months so I've been able to play an ungodly amount of WoW (and video games in general). Normally I would never be able to do this, but I was. So I was able to get addicted to it again. But if I didn't have this free time there is no fucking way in hell I would achieve the success I found. I also managed to hit 3500 io in M+ and HAVE NEVER PVE'D BEFORE IN MY LIFE UNTIL DFS3. But again, the amount of addons and other bullshit I needed to get here is insane.
The barrier to entry would not have been overcome by me again if I didn't have a ton of prior hours in this game. This game is NOT friendly to new players, and it is EXTREMELY bloated. I love it very much and I don't want it to die, but as soon as my work picks up again, I'll fall off. As will every other player that has a life outside of WoW. And it sucks honestly. The game is great, the current state of the game is not. It's over designed and under optimized. I hope blizzard makes good decisions moving forward and helps keep the game we all love alive.
Sincerely, a WoW player since childhood.
Thanks :)
when they introduced "ahead of the curve" I was like well my raiding guild had server transfered at that moment so my chances of getitng it were low, my server was basically dead, add in like several years of ahead of the curve and its like people have tens of mounts I can't ever obtain, why would I want to come back ?
Yeah i am a big Fan of the game and the games is so optimized that i've stopped playing retails, because i was tired of sitting for 3hours (after work) just trying to find a group to play with (if you want to do M+ or Rated Bg) which is a shame. and i've started playing classic and god it feel refreshing i'm 23 of years and so i've never got to experienced it glad they added sod
Recently decided to give retail wow a go, i did the tutorial island then got dropped in stormwind and was totally lost. I ended up starting BFA as a timewalk like the game wanted and noped out after twenty minutes.
The whole thing was really alienating as a new player.
I am glad that someone was allowed to make this one off fun project that could think outside of the box, I am not jumping in because that would mean downloading the huge file and also I am allocating my free time to painting miniatures these days, its much more satisfying.
Retail makes you depressed, lonely and mentally unwell, in classic you actually had to talk to others to get trough content, creating friends, guilds.
SoD has 100% been a completely different experience altogether.
I think games like Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2 have been good examples of gear not being devalued by every expansion. Sometimes gear from past expansions can be BIS for certain scenarios or give you reason to even go back and replay old content to grind out old sets.
Eh most legacy sets are garbage in eso.
I've been playing gw2 since HoT expansion and still run the gear from those days today. Being honest, the game is still more fun than wow ever was to me, even without gear chasing every new expansion... I don't know... maybe the treadmill he speaks of is real o.0
Totally agree Asmon I actually just ordered my first ever PC a Star Forge! And I have always wanted to try WoW but I feel overwhelmed starting it and have no idea where to meet people who wont mind helping out a first time player.
I think what this demonstrates is the flexibility of wows engine for very different types of games and that is actually really cool and something they should continue to explore
Sup Zack! I am a new player to WoW and I do agree with you. I haven't downloaded or used any add-ons cause I find all of it so overwhelming. I paid my subscription this month for the first time and im currently leveling up a Hunter and playing Plunderstorm, which by the way, is freaking awesome. Great video man
I did a BFD last night and the latest DBM wasn’t working so we cleared it without DBM. Honestly it was awesome and more challenging than something just telling you what to do. I really like some of the points people made here and I just wanted to highlight what would be a good fix (similar ff14 approach):
1) no addons period, this includes combat log data for wcl purposes.
2) game ui allows more customization to move bars, move ui elements, etc. to add customization.
3) the game will recognize your performance based on all factors (not just dps, like doing mechanics) and give you a grade for your performance so you know how you did and only you can see. Could implement a reward system for good performance but this is delicate as it could lead to gatekeeping
I've done full mythic raids, did a ton of m+ and I completely agree that game's overreliance on addons is at completely absurd levels. And Blizzard is designing those Mythic fights in such a way that it's either you're 0.001% top guild or you HAVE to download like 5 complex weak auras for a single boss fight. It also sucks to think that you wouldn't even be able to kill a boss without so much help from WAs. Echo of Neltharion is the best example: the WA for him probably has more lines of code than the fight itself and it draws a whole fucking interactive map of the fight so that everyone knows where to stand in each phase. Sure It is probably possible to do it without it if you're top 0.00001% guild or you just have to spend like 500 tries for everyone in the raid and substitute players to learn the positions in a fight that is already challenging by itself. The fight is designed in such a way that you have to react extremely fast and without such a map it's ridiculously difficult to make each of 20 people learn every position. The only possible solution is to at least limit the API severely. Leave CD trackers and UI mods, disable everything that's parsing enemy data except for maybe your debuffs. This in turn will result in more adequately designed fights.
I totally agree with everything, but would add that it's not a 0.001% OR you download 5 complex wear auras because the 0.001% have 6 complex weak auras. blizzard is designing encounters for weak auras
Only thing you need DBM and you dont even need to set it up and if you take the time to actually learn what the bosses and add's do you dont even need DBM
first experience on WoW was Shadowlands. Luckily I had buddies who helped me use the Add Ons and do many dungeons and raids. I had a huge amount of fun. However, your points are exactly why I dont want to get back into it even though deep down I want to give it another shot.
It’s time for world of Warcraft 2 on a brand new engine….it’s time to move on blizzard
I agree with you Asmon. The game is never gonna be what it was to us in the early days. It’s now turned into a complete disaster and mess. And parsing has also ruined the game too. Add ons as well.
For a lot of people, WoW is a chatting platform with activities. Making the game too hard is corrosive to people who want to hang out and have fun and push themselves a little bit. I am one of the people you mention as far as being a middle-aged dude with a few kids and a job, so that means that I cannot dedicate the time it takes to incorporate everything that I need in order to be successful in retail . I do play Wrath Classic and will play Cata Classic because my guild friends and I are able to collaborate and be successful with the content without dedicating our whole lives to it and all the things that go into it.
I didn't really understand how bad it was until i tried to get my kids into WOW. They play other games but i couldn't get them into it.
Started back in WoTLK, played hunter appropriately named Legholas. Had no clue what was going on but I had tons of fun. Became awe inspired by Malygos in Coldarra. Learned you could fight him whilst riding a Drake! Got the abbreviation "EOE" whispered to me by deathwing. Gathered a bunch of hotheaded compatriots who love scales as much as I do. Arrived without a key.... Godbless by sheer luck we had a godgamer with an amazing keyring under his belt, the excitement was of the charts. Proceeded to wipe for 3 hours straight, learned my rotation then and there. Finally bested the aspect of magic. Won the "Blue aspect helm" my 1st raid item ever.
I continued to play with some of those guys for over 10 years. i'm still playing but those moments are gone forever.
I agree and feel the same way, the issues listed in this video are the reasons I quit raiding and am exclusively a collector/leveler these days. Love the game, hate the endgame meta. One of the main reasons Totalbiscuit (Rest in Peace) quit WoW back in Cataclysm was because of how Blizzard was making previous raid tiers obsolete, and they've continued this patch treadmill to the detriment of the game.
So many times I would have liked to hear TB:s take on things that have happened in the gaming scene
I loved the videos he made where he just had a monologue discussion about a topic for 45 min straight
As someone with a full time job and family finding time to play wow is difficult as you said. I really wish WoW took the runescape model. What I mean is all content is available to everyone and everything is still relevant and your able to play the game completely solo if desired in a living breathing world and if you want to group you can aswell. I would love to be able to go into the new raid or dungeon solo and see how far I can get the social aspect will not disappear RS as the prime example proves this maybe this is just me but I think this would revive the game
OSRS end game content takes more time than WoW
@mikko3 that's not necessarily true it's all RNG based
hot take : parse runs are DIFFERENT than "checking logs" runs.
I just dont want to waste my time with timmys 4th alt, carrying him because he tells me he "pumps"
Sorry zach!
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About the lack of MMO, it's so atrocious that WowHead even made an article that low drop rate holiday mounts aren't healthy for the game. The retail playerbase is completely brain rotted, they don't want anything MMO about their MMO.
Like an angel from heaven. Just look at that holy aura!
subscription for a 20 year old game thats really not that fun anymore is another nail in the coffin of wow.....its what permanently pushes alot of people out of the game that would at least play it casually if it actually had a business model that doesnt just kill the playerbase more and more each expansion that you also pay as a full new aaa game....guess the approach is to just milk the die hard fans to the very last drop and count on many nostalgia junkies to buy the new expansion and play for a month or two and quit....moneys in the bank while the game is an elitist graveyard borefest..
FF14 saw what add-ons did to WoW and said "not us".
That picture quality is INSANE.
WoW is like the sinking Titanic and Zack is that guy that chained himself to the bow of the ship, I honestly think hes just terrified to completely let go despite saying in the past that he knows hes not the target audience for the game anymore, much like myself but the differance being I completely quit a few expansions ago.
Ban addons.
A lot of what you've said here really resonates with me. People forget that this game used to be a fantasy world you logged into to explore, see what was out there to find, and interact with other people. The way people play it now, with a do-thing-to-get-reward goal oriented mindset is very similar to how you treat a job. Imagine if you paid your employer to allow you to work there. That's how people have treated the game for the last decade and it has majorly influenced the way it has been designed.
What you also said about the game feeling like "you don't play the game, you just play the current patch" is very true and I think is one of the worst aspects of WoW's design. It is FOMO to the max and the crazy thing is almost no other MMO is designed like that. Runescape, XIV, GW2, ESO you name it - you can just log in and play through it like it's an RPG. You can't really do that with retail. The game pushes you high speed towards endgame, and when you get there you find that there's no point in doing anything but the current patch.
It may well be too late, but I think Blizzards needs to be reminded that a lot of people just want to log in and enjoy themselves exploring a cool fantasy world and aren't interested in repetitive gear grinds tailored for high end players minmaxxing with external resources to optimize their gameplay.
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It's said the meek will inherit the earth. Behold your new leadership.
Great example of time and effort for gear being respected was [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker], was useful well into Tier 5 content in Burning Crusade. So you could have this awesome ultimate weapon achievable at Tier 1, still being useful at Tier 4/5.
8:50 This right here is everything! There is just way to much to do and FOMO stirs people off so much more than folks may think it does if there already involved with Retail. It's a reason why I stick to SOD, Classic, etc. I can't see myself ever catching up with everything. I can say yea Plunderstorm is cool, apart me wishes it was free and it's own thing like Fortnite for example. Not sure if I like it being locked behind $15 a month, but I like the idea of the game mode for sure.
Good video homie 👌🏽
This is what torgast should've been classless everyone starts at 0 pve roguelike
You ignored the fact that you need more than 150 runs of the BR to get all rewards which is only gonna be around for a few weeks.
That's not a problem when it's fun. It's a problem when you have to do something you hate.
oh boy. here we go again!
This is all correct. Blizzard effectively is running a restaurant scared to change the menu so they don't lose their loyal customers. This is despite 10x customers that would eat there if they made these changes. They should watch a few episodes of Kitchen Nightmares. Damage meters are trash, addons are trash, and being forced to be a meta slave is trash.
Problem is, they're balancing the BR more than the actual game. If you can't juggle between all your gaming clients, don't do it.
L take. Hope the game dies for good after this.
please wipe the Vaseline off your camera lenses before you upload a nearly 30 min rant about why you stopped playing a 2 decade old videogame zack
why are you glowing bru? :D
Even trying to come back to retail is rough. I played Legion and BlizzCon this year got me all hyped up to get back into the game. The catch-back-up mechanism (chromy) does a really poor job of getting you into the story, the mechanics are so different and there's so much that I can hardly believe that any new or returning players stick with it.
SoD seemed promising for a bit. I enjoyed phase 1 a lot. But come phase 2 it's like the sweats have emerged from their caves. Want to get to 40? Better be ready to dungeon spam and grind for 3 days then do all the quests you skipped to farm gold! That shook me off before hitting level 30. Oh well, I wanted to finish Elden Ring anyways. Just wanted to give my 2 cents as someone who loved the game since 2004
As someone who is a part of that middle 80%, and despite that fact that I may not agree with most of Asmongold's life and hygiene choices, I do agree with his take.
I was really excited when I learned what Season of Discovery was, since Classic++ always sounded like the version of WoW I always wanted. But when I learned that you needed logs of past performance to get into groups, that immediately killed any interest for me. Get rid of the add-ons, please!! All of them! And more of the middle 80% might get excited for the game.
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