Hey there - I have been in the animation industry for a bout 8 years now, and I can definitely agree with Marshall when he suggest to create different portfolio depending on the studio you apply for. I now work as an Animator for blockbusters in VFX, only using a full on Animation demo-reel. but back in my first years, I had 2 demo-reels : one Animation, one Generalist (you can actually find them on my Vimeo if it helps, and I"d be happy to help people starting in the vfx industry too, I know it can be a tough road.). THe aniation reel was used to gigger studios, where you specialised and the generalist one was for smaller places, where I cold help out on gigs from start to finish (animation is only a small segment) wich would allow me to stay a months or two in a studio rather than a few weeks. Now, for my horror story : not much of a horrendous one but it was definitely a wast of time for everyone.. I Had an interview with a big VFX studio (MPC) and I was getting interviewed for what I thought was an Animation role. I ended up chatting to the recruiter and production, then the VFX sup came in and started talking about what I preferred between Mechanical or Organic and which one I would be able to work best.. then he ask if I was working with scripts and auto-tools.. (possible in animation but not much outside of repetitive or tv serie show). I was a little surprised but I tried to explain my approach.. they where also visibly confused. the chat has been filled with awkward silences from their side. They actually wanted me to work as a Rigger, even tho I stopped using my generalist reel and was now fully working as an Animator. moral of story, when you sent them a link to a reel or portfolio, and they only open it years later, things can get funky. (I still ended up working as an animator for mpc later on :) )
I guess the most horrifying experience is not getting feedback at all, which has happened a lot coming from art teachers and class mates because in that scenario there's very little room for growth and if you're a nervous or anxious person it will most likely paralize you and prevent you from asking why.
I'll told you when I have one- Oh I got one. My Art teacher a refer to my to a work for doing drawings designing for beds and furneture, I didn't show a Portfolio for say, I just show the drawings that I did for class and they hire me for a 2 week period test, I didn't get the full job in the end but I got pay for the time I was there, and I think the reason I didn't get the job was my attitude, I pretty sure I said something that ofend. So now I'm working on my own stuff and now I know to watch my mouth.
Here's one of my success stories. After taking time to figure out what I wanted to pursue as an artist, I felt editorial illustration was something that I could be passionate about. So I took several years to develop my style and approach, and to build a quality portfolio that represents what I can offer clients in that market. I researched a lot of publications and their websites, but it was fun because that is what I was interested in. So after following up a post card mailer campaign with emails to the art directors, Orlando Magazine got back to me asking if I could be a regular illustrator for their back page "Extra Pulp", and if I could create illustrations similar to a couple of specific sample pieces that I had in my portfolio. Of course I said "Yes". And now I've been happily working with them for the past several years.
I’ve been a professional designer and illustrator for over 30 years. I wasn’t the best of either but built a successful business around being professional and responsive. On time on budget and sensitive to the client/project parameters. I couldn’t believe how many talented artists failed at that part! Putting yourself in the head of your potential customer or interviewing company seems to be beyond the comprehension of way too many artists.
I know this is an old post but I'm still looking for an answer. I've always told people I'm terrible at getting jobs but great at keeping them. I have a weird borderline unrelatable headspace and have trouble getting in to someone else's. Despite my good work ethics and problem solving skills, I give a terrible first impression and I can't figure it out. My family says I probably have Asperger's after observing me conversing with strangers, though I've never been tested. After getting to know me, all of my bosses greatly value my input and creativity. I've been praised for my work ethic and diligence by colleagues, but they all have the same reaction upon our first meeting. They say I appear timid and unreliable, but when I try to correct this it seems to only get worse. What behavior should I be going for when meeting a client or employer for the first time?
As a mostly self employed online artist, putting up a watermark or a simple contact has become almost completely necessary because of the CONSTANT art theft or uncredited reposts of pieces, even reverse search becomes difficult when 100 accounts repost your image cropped in many ways, often even removing your signature
Fresh out of college into the world in had an interview for an electric company for a graphic design job. Showed them my portfolio from school and I got laughed at in my face. I received no call back. I was 21 years old. 3 years later I got on at a monument company and hand etch monuments, do graphic design work, do photoshop image prep and restoration, and run a cnc machine I learned on my own. I dont make much but I'm good at what I do and I've been doing it for over 10 years. I'm 34 now.
Stan.... I’m on Marshall’s side and I’m feeling CONVICTED that I don’t do this enough. Ask yourself, how often do you check your Instagram or Pinterest in line for your coffee and see an awesome piece and then you put your phone down, order your coffee and that image gets bumped off your feed. If you can’t rediscover that artist in under 90 seconds.... you’ll probably forget about it OR DISCOVER ANOTHER ARTIST in the time it takes to find the one that originally grabbed your attention. If that’s my piece I might’ve just lost an opportunity to another (lesser) artist who watermarks his/her work with an Instagram page or something
47:58 lmao marshall was so surprised when i asked him what time he goes to sleep, i just wanted to know if your daily sleeping and food habits is influenced by your drawing productivity...since u guys are achieved enough for me to look up to your schedules must be way more optimised than mine that's why i wantedt to know .i didnt word it well i guess, i didnt even think the website would work
As someone who does art on the side i understand the portfolio exactly like a resume. I just started my career as a roofer 7 months ago and just switched companies for the first time. Before when i would apply for anything i would show in my resume evrything i have done. It makes sense that i was looking for acknowledgement and praise for what i have done already. This time around when applying for this second roofing company i summarized my work experience to show that they can see that i can help them. That i wouldnt be a liabiltity and that i can handle the job. Interesting that i just figured this out and i saw this video a week later
Hey, it's year 2021, I've just started watching Draftsmen (from season 1 obvs), and my favorite part is that Marshall is molding the kneaded eraser exactly the way I do during any of my work meetings. Much love from Ukraine :)
Proko, yours and Marshall's face superimposed over these classic paintings is disturbing yet captivating. Great stuff too with these conversations and the raport between the both of you.
This channel, Art Cafe, Bobby Chiu's channel, One Fantastic Week and The Evil Jar are really great art-related channels to listen to while drawing. If anybody has any more art stuff you can just listen to I'd love to hear about them! Edit. Oh, and Dave Rapoza and Dan Warren's old interviews on Dave's channel!
ADAM DUFF from Lucidpixul. Everybody should defenetly listen to his art talks. I love that he's the only one who talks about the issue of overworking yourself. Other art channels, like Bobby Chiu often make accidental but huge mistakes by telling people to overwork themselves and feel bad about not being productive. Adam Duff will defenetly help you with that sick mindset.
I can imagine that the contact information to put on your artwork that Marshall talks about could be as simple as a link to your website (such as proko.com). You don't need to include anything more extensive than that, so Marshall's advice is not an overkill at all ;)
Thank goodness you mentioned allergies, Mr. Proko! I started suffering from them only in the past few years and it really CAN be debilitating! I thought I was just "tired" or "lazy" to draw or practice, but there were days I couldn't even sit up straight in a chair. I'd be so stuffed up, my sinuses and head would hurt, and my eyes would burn like crazy. I'm so glad (though I am sorry to everyone, too because it sucks!) that it's a real thing people suffer with and it's not just in my head, so to speak. Love the podcasts! Thank you both for all your hard work!
Early in my freelance career, I spent $6,000 and a ton of my time to have 5 custom portfolios made. My illustrations have a woodcut look, so I had books (portfolios) made that looked like they were made in the 1400s. They changed my career. However, those books are useless now. Nobody lets freelancer bring in or send in portfolios. Today, it's all about your website and social media.
I am rewatching. I need to shout out Marshall is right and Stan is wrong!!!! I recently went back to art school and six days ago was the last critique of Drawing I. The professor brought out a folder with about 40-50 works that did NOT get graded because they were submitted with no name (20 students in class). It needs to be taught. And, as an art director, not only time, but concern would cause me to not spend time searching. Even good artists are rarely the "only artist" that can complete a job. And taking a risk on someone that can't remember an important detail like including their contact info to make it easy to give them a job makes we wonder what else (deadlines, guidelines, etc) they are careless with. They MIGHT spend the time to find you, but don't trust in that. Follow the rules and do the minimum to make it sure your works are presented and evaluated in a professional manner.
Listening to your draftsmen podcast makes me work better. Please, do not stop making them. They are so funny and full of valuable content. I really appreciate them. And all your content. You are really good at teaching and creating your courses.
I like long podcasts. Hopefully everyone is watching/listening much faster than 1x. I have "a page" of notes in Evernote, and my main takeaway is when I wake up, take a nap! Oh, and I vote for shoes off.
Oh wow, i was listening and the description notes are the best i have seen of any podcast. Usually people talk about stuff and not document all of it(i was looking for the sleep doc as i was curious) really appreciate that the work was put in for that. :)
Any chance you could bring a guest Concept Artist to your show? i feel like a majority of your followers are ppl looking to get into the field of concept design/vis dev for entertainment. Might i suggest Vance Kovacs?
A good horror story is getting hired or accepted for the internship and then, asked the people who give you the opportunity to be where you were, about what they thought about the work you were presenting on your portfolio, and then realized they hadn't even looked at it. This happened to me.
Hi. I know it's a bit late to make this question, but, can I ask what was the kind of company that hired you? And if was something that just happened one time in your career?
@@jednoir hehe don't worry. Hehe. It was a metallurgical related company. They required someone with visual communication and draftsmanship skills for rendering and drawing from scratch their products. They fabricate trucks and heavy vehicles for industrial purposes. And they want to create all the infographics of how their products are fabricated and stuff...the images at the same time were used for their manual about how people should use and maintain the vehicle. Etc. If the company is not related to the visual communication work, probably they will look more at your CV than portfolio.
I think the voice mail question could be about how diet and sleep affect creativity and productivity. My best artwork ideas came from feeling stressed when I started it. I sckech when tired and then clean it up when I'm well rested.
What's my new thang? Besides binge listening to the entertainingly informative "Draftsmen" podcast on RUclips since I got to work last night, I'm really looking forward to delving deeper into the incredible work of Heinrich Kley. Thanks and keep up the great work.
I was just out of university and thought my crappy little uni animations would be good enough for an actual studio. The interviewer looked at what I'd done (or the lack of it) and immediately just said "goodbye". Oof.
Reverse search isn't as effective anymore, ever since sites like pinterest. Often you see multiple images show up with no backing information. Funny Video. You guys are great. You should have said, "That's Mr. Proko, to you, Marshall!" lol
Agree with Marshall Vandruff. Art directors often hold single images in their directories and prefer jpg images. They don't like pdf portfolios. Every image you sending to the art director should have credits.
I have to say I love this podcast. This is my absolute favorite art podcast your both have a awesome chemistry. The contact is super helpful and professional. I really recommend this podcast to every artist and art student I know! Greetings from Berlin keep it on!
I work as a recruitment officer so I prefer to see a contact info in the resume. If your artwork is your resume then I suggest you put your trademark/nickname with contact may be Instagram account on your artwork. It saves time for other person and less step to reach out to you. Love you two😍
I do 24 hour fasts a couple of times a week because it helps me control a neurological illness that I have. It affects the dopamine receptors in your brain, see. Makes my symptoms a lot less intrusive.
To the person who made the call, I suggest reading a book titled "The science of why we sleep". Being sleepy is the sign of something you need to figure out (lack of sleep, lack of hydration, lack of food, could be you are a night owl personality where your circadian rhythm is tuned into the night, etc). Adding caffeine to it is like trying to fix the crack in a damn with scotch tape. You are putting a band aid on it, instead of looking into the root problem. Sleep is incredibly important and something we don't take care of enough.
I really love watching your video it's always good to listen to people with experience, and it puts pressure upon me, which is very very goo do to get productive. I'm like "ok I did to avoid doing that and that, wow I really need to nail this I don't wanna screw everything up" so thx for the helpful content :)
Make all your social media handles your name and develop a signature that's easy to read and then you don't have to worry about anything. Proko is totally right, our generation can look someone up (if they've done themselves a favor doing what I said) very quickly.
I like this podcast. I work in and around LA and the OC. I have a BFA in Visual Communications from Long Beach. He is right you are a problem solver. I worked with an agency in San Diego shooting lifestyle in DTLA for a year so I can relate. BTW I am drawing again!
I think putting some information like the instagram or Fb page were they post their art could be useful for artist. As someone who likes to follow illustrators sometimes is not so easy to find the original artist if they don't , and there is a lot of pages that repost drawings so reverse search doesn't always do the job.
Hey Guys. I just can't get into my head that it is not a good thing to have different styles and subject in your portfolio. AD's should be able to see all you can do, because who know what they need in the future. A good AD should then zoom in on the stuff he needs in your portfolio, and concentrate on that. How can it be bad that you can do others stuff too? I hear a lot of Americans say this, only one thing in you protfolio, but I don't think the same is true in europe. I started to limit my portfolio after I heard this advice...and started getting fewer jobs. As long as you have it catagoriced, I think different styles are good. Thanks for a great show! It is good to hear different opinions.
This is pretty much good advice for job hunts in any field. You want to show the potential employer that you are what they need, which means researching what they need. I am allergic very mildly to pollen and mold, and violently allergic to guinea pigs (but no other animals).
In India they place a lot of importance on diet and sleep in relation to mental health and being. He probably wonders if you eat anything in particular that aids in that abstract theory
You should try to get Dave Rapoza on your podcast. From listening to his multi hour tutorials he has quite unique takes on learning and practicing art and the risks he took to place himself in various opportunities are amazing.
Best art conversation on the web bar none! Do you think you’ll ever have a third seat for guests maybe? Viz Marshal's voice: Marshal, you should read for Audible, seriously.
Reverse image search: ain't got time for that. An extension of the portfolio/presence talk: would you lads ever consider a podcast on convention/conference set-ups? SP, your experience in this realm is different than most, but... On the heels of Lightbox, others over the summer... Artists face a lot of the same decisions, but the presentation is changed up. Thoughts on what you notice in the tightly packed, crowded, huckster ;-) environments? Even the highest end- thinking Lightbox Expo, IlluxCon, Spectrum Live, such and what. What grabs your attention? What drives you away? How does navigating a crowd add or take from your energy/enthusiasm? I don't know how many art directors/folks looking to hire wander the alleys (ahem), but it has to happen. Folks also need to work out managing a defined space (layout/spread/banners), the real name/company name/online name debate, should you be working diligently on pieces at your table or constantly ready to engage attendees, how to partake in panels and other offerings while maintaining a table presence, and the logistics/minutiae, etc etc etc... and do it all to stand apart from folks who, in some cases, are all 'A' Game level and can likely elevator pitch well, especially when pitching 'themselves'.
32:55 wait but, at the end of the day what's wrong with an artist writing DO NOT REPOST? What are the "issues" that an artist has apart from trying to avoid having his art stolen. Someone explain this to me, I'm genuinely curious .__.
Yeh not sure why thats such a problem. I've seen artists post a famous work to praise it and loads of people think its them that did it lol. A lot of people dont read..
@@X3rciseUtube exactly! It's not even about being "too protective" of our art, it's just trying to avoid that someone else takes credit for what we drew. Reposting is a huge problem
It seems to me that Marshall was mostly giving advise on portfolios used to get freelance work. Wouldn't there be different requirements for portfolios used for a fulltime job as opposed portfolios used to getting freelance assignments?
I always hear “Your portfolio is great, but you are not what we are looking for at this time.” Or “You have no experience.” Can’t gain experience if no one is willing to give me the opportunity (never understood that one).
i've posted my artwork online for more than 10 years. Marshall is not wrong in saying that you should put it in pixels. I don't agree on putting your whole contact info, no, (ok maybe it's safe to put your email too) but your social media link and/or alias. Do that and put your email on your social media pages so people can reach you. Posting your artwork without anything is dangerous especially nowadays where artists' works get stolen every single second. Art Directors might found your art in some reposter's twitter and not know who the original artist is. Even with google reverse search. seriously i tried many times.
Hey Proko and friends, I would have to agree about it being easy peasy finding the artist who worked on any piece through many means on the webs but just the other day, I found an awesome fan art and could not find the one who created it. I did an Google Image Search and found other people using it as their profile pictures or intro to their video but not the actual artist. So I kept digging and found the artist eventually but it took patience.
Marshall's point about making potential clients/hiring personnel NOT have a hard time contacting you still stands though. I get it in this day and age it's easier to find someone's work online using reverse image search sites like Google and TinEye compared to years past, but would you like to be that guy trawling around the web in search of how to get in touch with an artist? Or would you rather have the experience be a cakewalk? Don't take my word for it, here's some YOUNG DUDE, a professional in the industry, with a video circa 2018, making the same point (worth the watch imo): ruclips.net/video/GBHaCyKy3Yo/видео.html Maybe Proko was lucky with his staff hiring process, but I'm 80% sure somebody went through it for him. And might have been a hassle if his HR people hired via the reverse image search route or some other convoluted system. Honestly, Stan, this persistent ribbing of Marshall for his age and old fashioned ways is really tiresome by now. You're a creative, supposedly; how about coming up with something new to tease him with?
I get horrible allergies in the mid to late spring time. I basically just hybernate through my least favorite season. Grass and tree pollen seam to really get to me.
Hi guys! Amazing work. Can you guys do a show when you teach how you would approach and how far you need to go in studies to draw American comics. My feeling is, for draw something like marvel and dc comics sounds like you really need to know perspective, dynamic poses and anatomy but how far do you need to go in studies of fine art? Thank you for your attention!! Keep going with the fantastic work
Is there a show were its just Marshall talking? I don't mean that to sound horrible, I like this show but would love a show where it was just Marshall sharing his knowledge too.
Marshall is completely right about losing attention when not putting your name on an image that goes viral. Yeah there's reverse image search and people may be even pointing out your name, but very few people are going to care to put the time into that. Hate to say it but I'm surprised to hear the boomer be way wiser in this situation. A tiny name should be the standard. Maybe a website or instagram (or other social media) handle is smarter and a much more modern contact method.
Tell us your portfolio viewing horror stories. Or success stories...
Hey there - I have been in the animation industry for a bout 8 years now, and I can definitely agree with Marshall when he suggest to create different portfolio depending on the studio you apply for.
I now work as an Animator for blockbusters in VFX, only using a full on Animation demo-reel.
but back in my first years, I had 2 demo-reels : one Animation, one Generalist (you can actually find them on my Vimeo if it helps, and I"d be happy to help people starting in the vfx industry too, I know it can be a tough road.). THe aniation reel was used to gigger studios, where you specialised and the generalist one was for smaller places, where I cold help out on gigs from start to finish (animation is only a small segment) wich would allow me to stay a months or two in a studio rather than a few weeks.
Now, for my horror story : not much of a horrendous one but it was definitely a wast of time for everyone.. I Had an interview with a big VFX studio (MPC) and I was getting interviewed for what I thought was an Animation role. I ended up chatting to the recruiter and production, then the VFX sup came in and started talking about what I preferred between Mechanical or Organic and which one I would be able to work best.. then he ask if I was working with scripts and auto-tools.. (possible in animation but not much outside of repetitive or tv serie show). I was a little surprised but I tried to explain my approach.. they where also visibly confused. the chat has been filled with awkward silences from their side.
They actually wanted me to work as a Rigger, even tho I stopped using my generalist reel and was now fully working as an Animator.
moral of story, when you sent them a link to a reel or portfolio, and they only open it years later, things can get funky. (I still ended up working as an animator for mpc later on :) )
I guess the most horrifying experience is not getting feedback at all, which has happened a lot coming from art teachers and class mates because in that scenario there's very little room for growth and if you're a nervous or anxious person it will most likely paralize you and prevent you from asking why.
this is my horror story: i dont have a portfolio yet
I'll told you when I have one- Oh I got one. My Art teacher a refer to my to a work for doing drawings designing for beds and furneture, I didn't show a Portfolio for say, I just show the drawings that I did for class and they hire me for a 2 week period test, I didn't get the full job in the end but I got pay for the time I was there, and I think the reason I didn't get the job was my attitude, I pretty sure I said something that ofend. So now I'm working on my own stuff and now I know to watch my mouth.
Here's one of my success stories. After taking time to figure out what I wanted to pursue as an artist, I felt editorial illustration was something that I could be passionate about. So I took several years to develop my style and approach, and to build a quality portfolio that represents what I can offer clients in that market. I researched a lot of publications and their websites, but it was fun because that is what I was interested in. So after following up a post card mailer campaign with emails to the art directors, Orlando Magazine got back to me asking if I could be a regular illustrator for their back page "Extra Pulp", and if I could create illustrations similar to a couple of specific sample pieces that I had in my portfolio. Of course I said "Yes". And now I've been happily working with them for the past several years.
I’ve been a professional designer and illustrator for over 30 years. I wasn’t the best of either but built a successful business around being professional and responsive. On time on budget and sensitive to the client/project parameters. I couldn’t believe how many talented artists failed at that part! Putting yourself in the head of your potential customer or interviewing company seems to be beyond the comprehension of way too many artists.
... you are the best!!! You and your skull!!
I know this is an old post but I'm still looking for an answer. I've always told people I'm terrible at getting jobs but great at keeping them. I have a weird borderline unrelatable headspace and have trouble getting in to someone else's. Despite my good work ethics and problem solving skills, I give a terrible first impression and I can't figure it out. My family says I probably have Asperger's after observing me conversing with strangers, though I've never been tested.
After getting to know me, all of my bosses greatly value my input and creativity. I've been praised for my work ethic and diligence by colleagues, but they all have the same reaction upon our first meeting. They say I appear timid and unreliable, but when I try to correct this it seems to only get worse. What behavior should I be going for when meeting a client or employer for the first time?
As a mostly self employed online artist, putting up a watermark or a simple contact has become almost completely necessary because of the CONSTANT art theft or uncredited reposts of pieces, even reverse search becomes difficult when 100 accounts repost your image cropped in many ways, often even removing your signature
OMG Proko you're absolutely killing me with these thumbnails
Agreed! I'm both horrified and amused every week.
@@KevinWebb2015 marshall is touching himself in the thumbnail 😅
Fresh out of college into the world in had an interview for an electric company for a graphic design job. Showed them my portfolio from school and I got laughed at in my face. I received no call back. I was 21 years old. 3 years later I got on at a monument company and hand etch monuments, do graphic design work, do photoshop image prep and restoration, and run a cnc machine I learned on my own. I dont make much but I'm good at what I do and I've been doing it for over 10 years. I'm 34 now.
Marshal is not incorrect. I have run across many artists who do not link to professional contact info, who do not provide a "real name" only aliases.
Stan.... I’m on Marshall’s side and I’m feeling CONVICTED that I don’t do this enough. Ask yourself, how often do you check your Instagram or Pinterest in line for your coffee and see an awesome piece and then you put your phone down, order your coffee and that image gets bumped off your feed. If you can’t rediscover that artist in under 90 seconds.... you’ll probably forget about it OR DISCOVER ANOTHER ARTIST in the time it takes to find the one that originally grabbed your attention. If that’s my piece I might’ve just lost an opportunity to another (lesser) artist who watermarks his/her work with an Instagram page or something
47:58 lmao marshall was so surprised when i asked him what time he goes to sleep, i just wanted to know if your daily sleeping and food habits is influenced by your drawing productivity...since u guys are achieved enough for me to look up to your schedules must be way more optimised than mine that's why i wantedt to know .i didnt word it well i guess, i didnt even think the website would work
I too would be surprised if someone asked me about my sleeping time and what food do I eat
As someone who does art on the side i understand the portfolio exactly like a resume. I just started my career as a roofer 7 months ago and just switched companies for the first time. Before when i would apply for anything i would show in my resume evrything i have done. It makes sense that i was looking for acknowledgement and praise for what i have done already. This time around when applying for this second roofing company i summarized my work experience to show that they can see that i can help them. That i wouldnt be a liabiltity and that i can handle the job.
Interesting that i just figured this out and i saw this video a week later
"I love being in the presence of the barefoot, it just feels right."
-Vandruff 2019
I can relate XD
They should edit the intro to have cartoon Marshall Vandruff have no shoes on.
@@gabzisntgabz Yes! XD
Hey, it's year 2021, I've just started watching Draftsmen (from season 1 obvs), and my favorite part is that Marshall is molding the kneaded eraser exactly the way I do during any of my work meetings. Much love from Ukraine :)
Proko, yours and Marshall's face superimposed over these classic paintings is disturbing yet captivating. Great stuff too with these conversations and the raport between the both of you.
This channel, Art Cafe, Bobby Chiu's channel, One Fantastic Week and The Evil Jar are really great art-related channels to listen to while drawing. If anybody has any more art stuff you can just listen to I'd love to hear about them!
Edit. Oh, and Dave Rapoza and Dan Warren's old interviews on Dave's channel!
seothis also check out 3 point perspective svs learn podcast.
Keshart and Stephen silver channel also great....
ADAM DUFF from Lucidpixul. Everybody should defenetly listen to his art talks. I love that he's the only one who talks about the issue of overworking yourself. Other art channels, like Bobby Chiu often make accidental but huge mistakes by telling people to overwork themselves and feel bad about not being productive. Adam Duff will defenetly help you with that sick mindset.
Feng Zhu, wisdom distilled.
I've watched all of his episodes. Awesome stuff /,,/.
I can imagine that the contact information to put on your artwork that Marshall talks about could be as simple as a link to your website (such as proko.com). You don't need to include anything more extensive than that, so Marshall's advice is not an overkill at all ;)
Thank goodness you mentioned allergies, Mr. Proko! I started suffering from them only in the past few years and it really CAN be debilitating! I thought I was just "tired" or "lazy" to draw or practice, but there were days I couldn't even sit up straight in a chair. I'd be so stuffed up, my sinuses and head would hurt, and my eyes would burn like crazy. I'm so glad (though I am sorry to everyone, too because it sucks!) that it's a real thing people suffer with and it's not just in my head, so to speak. Love the podcasts! Thank you both for all your hard work!
oh my god yes as one w allergies i thought he was just talking abt simple runny noses but noo its those the horrible days AUGHH
Early in my freelance career, I spent $6,000 and a ton of my time to have 5 custom portfolios made. My illustrations have a woodcut look, so I had books (portfolios) made that looked like they were made in the 1400s. They changed my career. However, those books are useless now. Nobody lets freelancer bring in or send in portfolios. Today, it's all about your website and social media.
Not even 10 minutes in and I gained a vast amount of wisdom. You both are really talented.
I have seen my fair share of artists sharing art and the caption says "I don't know who did this please tag the artist" it's still an issue lol
Credit to the original artist
I feel like I must say this, I love the thumbnails you do on this podcasts 😂😂✨ and also, the content is amazing, so thanks~
I am rewatching. I need to shout out Marshall is right and Stan is wrong!!!! I recently went back to art school and six days ago was the last critique of Drawing I. The professor brought out a folder with about 40-50 works that did NOT get graded because they were submitted with no name (20 students in class). It needs to be taught. And, as an art director, not only time, but concern would cause me to not spend time searching. Even good artists are rarely the "only artist" that can complete a job. And taking a risk on someone that can't remember an important detail like including their contact info to make it easy to give them a job makes we wonder what else (deadlines, guidelines, etc) they are careless with. They MIGHT spend the time to find you, but don't trust in that. Follow the rules and do the minimum to make it sure your works are presented and evaluated in a professional manner.
Listening to your draftsmen podcast makes me work better. Please, do not stop making them. They are so funny and full of valuable content. I really appreciate them. And all your content. You are really good at teaching and creating your courses.
Everytime i hear the intro song i think Marshal is singing/saying “load the dodo”
Better "load the dodo" than "load the dildo".
HA
I like long podcasts. Hopefully everyone is watching/listening much faster than 1x.
I have "a page" of notes in Evernote, and my main takeaway is when I wake up, take a nap!
Oh, and I vote for shoes off.
I think the putting your email address or website at the bottom of each work is a great idea, you can even setup your software to add it automatically
Oh wow, i was listening and the description notes are the best i have seen of any podcast. Usually people talk about stuff and not document all of it(i was looking for the sleep doc as i was curious) really appreciate that the work was put in for that. :)
I've been following Marshall's advice.
Every time I wake up in the morning, I immediately turn back around and take a nap.
Never been more peaceful.
Any chance you could bring a guest Concept Artist to your show? i feel like a majority of your followers are ppl looking to get into the field of concept design/vis dev for entertainment. Might i suggest Vance Kovacs?
Yep, wannabee concept artist here. Completely agree with this here. Interview someone currently in the field.
I feel like that type of discussion about feet in the beginning is only not weird to artists
yeah, but why? why are feet weird? they are just another part of your body
A good horror story is getting hired or accepted for the internship and then, asked the people who give you the opportunity to be where you were, about what they thought about the work you were presenting on your portfolio, and then realized they hadn't even looked at it. This happened to me.
Hi. I know it's a bit late to make this question, but, can I ask what was the kind of company that hired you? And if was something that just happened one time in your career?
@@jednoir hehe don't worry. Hehe. It was a metallurgical related company. They required someone with visual communication and draftsmanship skills for rendering and drawing from scratch their products. They fabricate trucks and heavy vehicles for industrial purposes. And they want to create all the infographics of how their products are fabricated and stuff...the images at the same time were used for their manual about how people should use and maintain the vehicle. Etc.
If the company is not related to the visual communication work, probably they will look more at your CV than portfolio.
@@adriancarrillo5034 Thank you! :) I was curious about that hehe.
I'm with ya Marshall Barefeet all the way!!!
I love the Proko newlester subscription.
Keeps me updated on this amazing show.
I think the voice mail question could be about how diet and sleep affect creativity and productivity. My best artwork ideas came from feeling stressed when I started it. I sckech when tired and then clean it up when I'm well rested.
What's my new thang? Besides binge listening to the entertainingly informative "Draftsmen" podcast on RUclips since I got to work last night, I'm really looking forward to delving deeper into the incredible work of Heinrich Kley. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Damn , 10/10 for that Quentin Tarantino opening
I was just out of university and thought my crappy little uni animations would be good enough for an actual studio. The interviewer looked at what I'd done (or the lack of it) and immediately just said "goodbye". Oof.
Wow that's harsh
Love your podcasts; they're so helpful! thanks for doing these
Reverse search isn't as effective anymore, ever since sites like pinterest. Often you see multiple images show up with no backing information. Funny Video. You guys are great. You should have said, "That's Mr. Proko, to you, Marshall!" lol
Agree with Marshall Vandruff. Art directors often hold single images in their directories and prefer jpg images. They don't like pdf portfolios. Every image you sending to the art director should have credits.
I have to say I love this podcast. This is my absolute favorite art podcast your both have a awesome chemistry. The contact is super helpful and professional. I really recommend this podcast to every artist and art student I know! Greetings from Berlin keep it on!
I work as a recruitment officer so I prefer to see a contact info in the resume. If your artwork is your resume then I suggest you put your trademark/nickname with contact may be Instagram account on your artwork. It saves time for other person and less step to reach out to you. Love you two😍
I do 24 hour fasts a couple of times a week because it helps me control a neurological illness that I have. It affects the dopamine receptors in your brain, see. Makes my symptoms a lot less intrusive.
It’s the same with actors demo-reels, if you’re doing comedic and dramatic roles, you have a separate one for comedic and one for dramatic
To the person who made the call, I suggest reading a book titled "The science of why we sleep". Being sleepy is the sign of something you need to figure out (lack of sleep, lack of hydration, lack of food, could be you are a night owl personality where your circadian rhythm is tuned into the night, etc). Adding caffeine to it is like trying to fix the crack in a damn with scotch tape. You are putting a band aid on it, instead of looking into the root problem.
Sleep is incredibly important and something we don't take care of enough.
I really love watching your video it's always good to listen to people with experience, and it puts pressure upon me, which is very very goo do to get productive. I'm like "ok I did to avoid doing that and that, wow I really need to nail this I don't wanna screw everything up" so thx for the helpful content :)
Does Marshall have his own Yotube channel? I really like his relaxed art and could listen to him for hours :)
Yes
Thank you so much for this! It's very timely for me, personally, and I can pass it on to my students.
You've been on RUclips so long but I found your channel very recently and I really like your content
the thumbnails are just getting better and better
this is a beautiful service. thank you for giving me understanding for my foundation as an aspiring artist.
Make all your social media handles your name and develop a signature that's easy to read and then you don't have to worry about anything. Proko is totally right, our generation can look someone up (if they've done themselves a favor doing what I said) very quickly.
This is not what you do when you apply for a job tho.... put your name and contact info on each piece, man.
Great work as always! So much learning.
I like this podcast. I work in and around LA and the OC. I have a BFA in Visual Communications from Long Beach. He is right you are a problem solver. I worked with an agency in San Diego shooting lifestyle in DTLA for a year so I can relate. BTW I am drawing again!
I think putting some information like the instagram or Fb page were they post their art could be useful for artist. As someone who likes to follow illustrators sometimes is not so easy to find the original artist if they don't , and there is a lot of pages that repost drawings so reverse search doesn't always do the job.
Hey Guys. I just can't get into my head that it is not a good thing to have different styles and subject in your portfolio. AD's should be able to see all you can do, because who know what they need in the future. A good AD should then zoom in on the stuff he needs in your portfolio, and concentrate on that. How can it be bad that you can do others stuff too? I hear a lot of Americans say this, only one thing in you protfolio, but I don't think the same is true in europe. I started to limit my portfolio after I heard this advice...and started getting fewer jobs. As long as you have it catagoriced, I think different styles are good. Thanks for a great show! It is good to hear different opinions.
I love his voice 😍 so awesome 😁
I wanna see Proko’s calarts portfolio >:0
Should Proko also get his shoes off? that's the real question
This is pretty much good advice for job hunts in any field. You want to show the potential employer that you are what they need, which means researching what they need.
I am allergic very mildly to pollen and mold, and violently allergic to guinea pigs (but no other animals).
In India they place a lot of importance on diet and sleep in relation to mental health and being. He probably wonders if you eat anything in particular that aids in that abstract theory
I love love love this podcast man!!!!
You should try to get Dave Rapoza on your podcast. From listening to his multi hour tutorials he has quite unique takes on learning and practicing art and the risks he took to place himself in various opportunities are amazing.
Best art conversation on the web bar none! Do you think you’ll ever have a third seat for guests maybe? Viz Marshal's voice: Marshal, you should read for Audible, seriously.
Reverse image search: ain't got time for that.
An extension of the portfolio/presence talk: would you lads ever consider a podcast on convention/conference set-ups? SP, your experience in this realm is different than most, but...
On the heels of Lightbox, others over the summer... Artists face a lot of the same decisions, but the presentation is changed up. Thoughts on what you notice in the tightly packed, crowded, huckster ;-) environments? Even the highest end- thinking Lightbox Expo, IlluxCon, Spectrum Live, such and what. What grabs your attention? What drives you away? How does navigating a crowd add or take from your energy/enthusiasm?
I don't know how many art directors/folks looking to hire wander the alleys (ahem), but it has to happen. Folks also need to work out managing a defined space (layout/spread/banners), the real name/company name/online name debate, should you be working diligently on pieces at your table or constantly ready to engage attendees, how to partake in panels and other offerings while maintaining a table presence, and the logistics/minutiae, etc etc etc... and do it all to stand apart from folks who, in some cases, are all 'A' Game level and can likely elevator pitch well, especially when pitching 'themselves'.
32:55 wait but, at the end of the day what's wrong with an artist writing DO NOT REPOST? What are the "issues" that an artist has apart from trying to avoid having his art stolen.
Someone explain this to me, I'm genuinely curious .__.
Yeh not sure why thats such a problem. I've seen artists post a famous work to praise it and loads of people think its them that did it lol. A lot of people dont read..
@@X3rciseUtube exactly! It's not even about being "too protective" of our art, it's just trying to avoid that someone else takes credit for what we drew. Reposting is a huge problem
Asking about sleep schedule and diet isn't the worst question. Pretty sure the art industry has huge problems with both of these topics.
ikr, im the one who asked the question lel
It seems to me that Marshall was mostly giving advise on portfolios used to get freelance work. Wouldn't there be different requirements for portfolios used for a fulltime job as opposed portfolios used to getting freelance assignments?
"My name is not Proko, I hope you know that" :D
I always hear “Your portfolio is great, but you are not what we are looking for at this time.” Or “You have no experience.” Can’t gain experience if no one is willing to give me the opportunity (never understood that one).
i've posted my artwork online for more than 10 years. Marshall is not wrong in saying that you should put it in pixels. I don't agree on putting your whole contact info, no, (ok maybe it's safe to put your email too) but your social media link and/or alias. Do that and put your email on your social media pages so people can reach you. Posting your artwork without anything is dangerous especially nowadays where artists' works get stolen every single second. Art Directors might found your art in some reposter's twitter and not know who the original artist is. Even with google reverse search. seriously i tried many times.
stan-"yeah, that's different for sure"
Hey Proko and friends,
I would have to agree about it being easy peasy finding the artist who worked on any piece through many means on the webs but just the other day, I found an awesome fan art and could not find the one who created it. I did an Google Image Search and found other people using it as their profile pictures or intro to their video but not the actual artist. So I kept digging and found the artist eventually but it took patience.
Marshall's point about making potential clients/hiring personnel NOT have a hard time contacting you still stands though. I get it in this day and age it's easier to find someone's work online using reverse image search sites like Google and TinEye compared to years past, but would you like to be that guy trawling around the web in search of how to get in touch with an artist? Or would you rather have the experience be a cakewalk? Don't take my word for it, here's some YOUNG DUDE, a professional in the industry, with a video circa 2018, making the same point (worth the watch imo): ruclips.net/video/GBHaCyKy3Yo/видео.html Maybe Proko was lucky with his staff hiring process, but I'm 80% sure somebody went through it for him. And might have been a hassle if his HR people hired via the reverse image search route or some other convoluted system.
Honestly, Stan, this persistent ribbing of Marshall for his age and old fashioned ways is really tiresome by now. You're a creative, supposedly; how about coming up with something new to tease him with?
I get horrible allergies in the mid to late spring time. I basically just hybernate through my least favorite season. Grass and tree pollen seam to really get to me.
Hi guys! Amazing work. Can you guys do a show when you teach how you would approach and how far you need to go in studies to draw American comics. My feeling is, for draw something like marvel and dc comics sounds like you really need to know perspective, dynamic poses and anatomy but how far do you need to go in studies of fine art? Thank you for your attention!! Keep going with the fantastic work
my favorite podcast
Love this
I didn’t event notice this was almost an hour :0 , these videos are retention gateways, you guys really stepped off on the right foot
Good video!
Marshall does have a great voice - very soothing ;) and his feet are pretty good, too.
Very informative... I like your channel..
Another awesome episode!
Prokopenko is a Ukrainian surname and it sounds nice! Proko is also perfect for the "brand". :)
Is there a show were its just Marshall talking? I don't mean that to sound horrible, I like this show but would love a show where it was just Marshall sharing his knowledge too.
When I was applying for an artist internship in game companies, I showed a lewd portfolio. The bravery hahahahaha
Hi your podcast is great Proko keep it up !
Heck yeah Cuphead!!
52:49 aaaaaaaahh ha ha ha I love this lol
wake up in the morning and take a nap. lol
It is as if you read my mind, proko 😶
I really need tips on my portfolio, because lately an animation studio opens a job vacancy i really want
As a person with autism and social anxiety this entire video made my heart seize up
lmao the eating discussion... I heard that living results in death
I love listening to your podcasts while drawing
50:11 I LoL'ed so hard when he said that XD
I love you both, and I love the podcast :)
If you want contact info on every sample, use your web address. By the way, every illustrator should have a web site.
We all must stand against the tyranny of shoes!
Marshall is completely right about losing attention when not putting your name on an image that goes viral. Yeah there's reverse image search and people may be even pointing out your name, but very few people are going to care to put the time into that. Hate to say it but I'm surprised to hear the boomer be way wiser in this situation. A tiny name should be the standard. Maybe a website or instagram (or other social media) handle is smarter and a much more modern contact method.
I need to cleanup my Instagram. Half of my uploads are stupid memes lol
Thats why you should always make seperate insta account for your personal stuff and one just for your art.
Always make a seperateart Insta bc you never know who's watching
47:54 - thanks montageman xD
Yeah Stan allergies are no joke! It’s a productivity killer! All I want to do is rest.