Probably best to get it out of your house asap. The mold will sporulate and can mess with your future grows. Opening that in your house and leaving in your grow area isn't for your future work. Best of luck
It needs to be caught sooner that contam spread is to far along by now and grew more into the substrate than you think Id cut the contam out in a square treat the sides with hydrogen peroxide 3% but 99% of the time I would throw it out clean grain is to easy to make and the substrate is cheap/easy 2 mix yourself. When it comes to Trichoderma once it turns green you should assume its grown deeper into your tub/bag if you can catch it before it turns it can be treated on the surface this is from personal experience. I sterilize all my grain and substrate in bags I add my fully colonized grain to the substrate and give it a day or 2 to grow out in the bag before I then add it to my tubs. All substrates must be fully colonized (white Caked) before adding any casing layers this way casing layers do not need to be pasteurized or sterilized. I rarely get contams maybe 15% of the time if that I have 2 cats and use my closet for mushroom inoculation etc. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V56QH7T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - True HEPA Air Filter
Just a quick tip.....cut the top and bottom off a 2 liter plastic soda bottle. Wash it up real good and disinfect it with isopropyl. Then place the plastic tube over it so that the contam is inside the plastic tube or cylinder. After you have this set up..now you can spray it with hydrogen peroxide, making sure you spray within the cylinder. This will prevent the contamination from sporulating or spreading outward as you mist. The spray bottle not only shoots the hydrogen peroxide but it will also act as a small gust of wind, which causes outward contamination. Basically this is a contam isolation technique.
I've used a micro torch and burned the contam. Actually, it worked like a charm, and the mycelium got over it pretty quickly. Now I have fresh reishis on my plate instead of a lump of moldy cake in the back yard.
@4inadeucek I don't know anything about your grow, bro. I can't even see your yellow spots to give any feedback on. I am no authority to begin with. I'd say err on the side of caution and don't accidentally poison your fam. I mean, if you have to ask, well isn't that the definition of dubious? If you find the safety of your produce questionable, don't feed it to your community. There's yellow spots, and it's not grain... It wasn't there before... Maybe you're describing metabolites... Maybe not... Good luck with that
@@ctx.josiah yes, in fact i do find a morel or 2 growing under the oaks out back in early spring. Along with the occasional wine cap I'd say it not a waste. Don't know where you live or how it might work out for you.
@@4inadeucekI think a small few spots off yellow is OK but a big load off it is no good I belive the yellow is like a liquid if you look at it up close a bit like dew drops on a blade off grass but yellow...but don't take my word it was on a video I just watched
I have a little fuzzy on top of my grow bag with a few pins... it hasn't spread so not sure if it's normal or should I spray still... it still smells earthy
Macro vs Micro had success in doing a few Macro first . Allowing the mushrooms to blast you into self awareness , showing you the shadows and trauma that have been hiding under the rug . Micro dosing has helped me stay on the pulse of my shadow work , helping me remember my best self .
0:06 Microdosing makes me feel more human . I personally feel like microdosing increases my ADD for the day , but I may have to dial the dose down a little . The benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@DanielJohn-xx6ep0:09 I've talked to people who micro and macrodose to help with a TBIs . I'm told that it's easier to find words when talking , and it helps improve short term memory . I've also heard of it helping with hearing , where people who could no longer hear birds could hear them again .
I've done this before with contaminated cakes that had green mold on them. Out of 12 cakes, 2 had mold on them. I remove only those two and dug the mold out with a sterilized spoon and sprayed them with 3% peroxide. I then mixed a little hydrogen peroxide with distilled water and mist all of the other cakes and put the two i removed back in fruiting. After a few days, my homie texted me pictures of all of them producing hella shrooms even the two that were sick. I got the idea from a guy on RUclips that saved a agar contamination with hydrogen peroxide. The popcorn grain was contaminated which he found out using the agar plate. He took the contaminated grain of corn and soaked it in hydrogen peroxide. He then put that same grain into a new agar plate and it turn completely white with no contamination. I was shocked that it worked. I always keep a mixture of distilled water and peroxide mister on hand. Great video.
That’s very cool! I had no idea Hydrogen Peroxide would do that. The fact that the reaction only occurs on the contamination is a very good sign of its effectiveness. Very cool BassDropKeys! Lovin’ the channel!
I gargle with peroxide anytime I start to get a sore throat. My grandson got strep once, had him gargle with peroxide. Knocked it right out. He was still sore but the infection was killed instantly. We've also used it for ear infections when I was a kid. No antibiotics needed ever. If you ever accidentally swallow a little bit you'll just vomit a little. Pretty safe.
It will bubble any where you spray it because it’s eating living tissue such as the mycelium as well as bacteria that is often found throughout the cake but not a problem until the mycelium is weakened from aging or perhaps wet spot bacteria, It would have to be completely sterile and also not have any living cells in order not to form bubbles .
It depends on the type of contamination. I got in the hobby almost 3 years ago. I’ve only had contam twice but both times it was trich. The first time was my very first grow after rehydrating for the second flush. I tried everything. Peroxide, cutting it out, burning it and even as a last ditch effort bleach water solution and nothing worked. No point in trying if you have a trich contamination. Even if you catch it before it produces spores like me. Then the second time was my last APE tub right after the second flush started to come in. So to stop from spreading trich spores all in my area if I see what looks like trich mycelium I don’t open my tub at all. Just keep an eye on it. Then if it doesn’t turn green in a few days it may not be trich. But in my case it was. So I just toss the whole tub and keep it closed. This is one reason why I just buy cheap Walmart tubs. But two tubs out of almost 100 that have gotten contaminated so I’m doing pretty good. I do the no touch tek. 12 on 12 light and FAE filter patches from S2B. I’ve had the best success that way. As long as my substrate is to field capacity I don’t have to open the tub until I start to harvest. Cuts down on chances of contamination. When I do harvest I put the tub on the open oven door with the top element on about 220F to keep that up draft from the heat.
Hey I’m planning on getting into this with grow bags, how do I avoid contamination? Also should I store the bags after inoculation and after putting the bags into fruit conditions I’ve been thinking of maybe getting a grow box to keep the bags in. Just looking for insight.
Instead of spraying the H2O2 at an angle towards the center of your substrate, you should have sprayed towards the outside of the tub. You probably just blew a bunch of mold spores all over your mycelium. However, to have any chance whatsoever to actually save your grow, you really have to cut out the infected substrate and separate it from the rest to keep the contam from spreading in order to save the uncontaminated substrate, kind of like severing an infected limb to save the body. Cut it up like a cake, separating the contam from the uncontaminated substrate. Then, spray the edge where you just cut on the uncontaminated piece with H2O2. Then, treat it like BRF cakes, and put it in a fruiting chamber. You will need to hydrate the cakes with a pipette or mister rather than soaking them, as they will crumble and fall apart if you soak them, and then just sprinkle vermiculite on the outside, or roll/dab in verm if you can do it without breaking them. I am actually currently in the process of doing this procedure to combat Trichoderma, and, after checking the cakes the next day, found new growth of contam on one of the cakes, on the edge where I cut it away from the contaminated substrate. So, I carefully took the cake with contam and cut another slice off and sprayed the edge again with H2O2, recoating with verm and hydrating afterwards. It has now gone another day and showing no clear signs of Trich growth. Mushrooms are growing and getting more pins showing up. It will most likely get overrun with Trich eventually, but at least I will get some fruits from it.
I would suggest cutting out the half of the tub that has the contamination on it and spraying the cake you save with hydrogen peroxide. I had contamination in a 6qt APE tub, I tried scooping out around the spot, which left a hole about the size of half a softball along the one side, and within 3 days the contamination was growing on the plastic wall of the tub. It’s my first time, and I have 6 other tubs going so I decided “F it let’s try and save this thing.” It was covered in very uniform primordia and just starting the early stages of pinning. It looked like my mycelium was covered in pretzel salt, just a ton of pins forming. I took it straight outside, and chopped a “hot dog bun” sized piece of very healthy substrate off, sprayed it down with some hydrogen peroxide, and put it into fruiting conditions in a new clean tub. As I look at it right now, it has multiple one inch mushrooms growing and doesn’t show any signs of contamination other then odd yellowish spots on two of the caps. I swabbed the spots and they don’t smell bad and are clean. Either way I figured I would share my experience.
I have been able to treat trich contamination. But only to get one flush. Trich is usually throughout the substrate and when you rehydrate for the second flush, the trich returns in mass. Trich is a dangerous contaminant and can make you terribly sick. Also once the lid is taken off the trich spores spread through out the room.
I'm doing first grow, very paranoid about contamination especially trich now. One of the pins has a bit of white fuzz around the stalks, i hope thats not what it is.
@@CornPopsDood Yeah. Turns out I was so paranoid about Trich and other contamins, i thought thats what i was seeing when things were fine. The long stems and then white dots, along with fuzzy feets tho ive been trying best to fix air a water levels. But, now the caps on most the ones growing have shriveled away, im not sure whats going on but i hope its yet another thing im just too noob to understand at the moment and theyll come back. Oof. Edit: So, i had abortions apparently that i took care of. I feel like this kinda info has eluded me in the videos ive seen, i guess i should watch more.
I regularly spray all areas of the growing environment with hydrogen peroxide, from innoculation through to fruiting. Doesn't completely prevent contamination but sure cuts the chances. One tip, buy 5L of 12% food grade H2O2 and dilute to 3% as needed. Works out cheaper and has countless other health and cleaning uses, also diluting small amounts, as needed, doesn't require distilled water.
One tec is to hit with a flame another is a technique that is not understood but seems to work great . Take a cup of hard wood fuel pellets and soak them for a while use hot water to speed it up then use this water to hydrate your grains and especially your substrate. You can also just mix the saw dust in with the coco or whatever sub you’re using. This is not harmful and seems to work very well so it is worth trying. Do the experiment using several control tubs and if you get tam before the 3rd flush it will be in the control tubs only. I have tested it this way over and over with the same results over a 4 year period . One note if you use regular water to soak, it often breaks the wood force field. You must put a little wood in everything you add . Wood agar wood LC . If you even look it your tubs make sure you drink a little wood tea first but seriously it would work if you try it.
I tried this twice with 1 successful attempt. I will asd that I cut the contamination out of the successful attempt and sprayed the remaining part with peroxide. It is still clean and on it's way to producing.
usually, when you're able to see the contam, there is already a network underneath the earth, so you'd have to get that too or it'll just grow back. But in theory, if you spray some peroxide on the visible parts, then cut out that specific area, with some extra margin like 3-5cm outside the edge of the visible areas and then spray the visibly healthy edge walls that is left by the cut, it shouldn't technically have anything allowing it to regrow. This would undoubtedly grow back, as there is mold mycelium underneath the visible parts, the issue is that you need to treat it the very second you notice contam, or you give it time to grow further and contam grows really fast. The more time the contam gets, the more it spreads, you can never kill the contam as there is always gonna be atleast 1 spore or healthy piece that regrows, the objective is to stop the spread, not try to kill it off.
I have seen a few people add hydrogen peroxide to their substrate while pasteurization as a way to prevent contamination. Honestly your the first I have seen treat it directly, so I am quite curious how this turns out.
I used some on a grain jar and within a couple of days it got took care of it. It wasnt a severe case of contam but enough to be a little concerned. UPDATE*Also worked partially on some black mold I had in my apartment. It was gone for a couple of months but it came back. I got the hell out of there.*
Mix one cup of borax into half a gallon of very hot water, and stir it for about 5 minutes. Then soak the moldy area and whatever surface it's on with the borax water. Allow it to SLOWLY dry as you want the material (wood, carpet, etc) to soak up some of that borax into it as it's drying. Mold can't grow or survive in an alkaline environment. Borax is the secret that mold remediation companies use. People into boating also know this trick. They soak the carpet or anything else that gets wet constantly, in a Borax/water solution and let it dry. When the area gets wet again, and would potentially grow mold, the now crystalized (dry) borax soaked into it, becomes wet and keeps the environment in an alkaline state. This is inhospitable for mold growth. You're welcome. No need to pay for expensive mold remediation. Just hose it down with borax and water and let it dry over the next 24 hours slowly.
I really hope this works for you! I’ve tried this dozens of times and it always came back. Trich is a real b* to get rid of, and I believe that once you open the lid, it becomes airborne and spreads everywhere. I would cut the area out with a wide margin and spray around the area you removed. When you’re done with this experiment, I highly recommend you do a deep cleaning of your fruiting tent. 😅 But I do hope you get plenty of fruits anyway! The rest of the tray looks robust!
Question: Can you install blue lights as a light source? Blue light is lethal to bacteria and filamentous fungi. Will it disturb the mushroom growth? Furthermore, is contamination bacteria or something else? Thank you.
Trich loves tomatoes!!! If only you had a garden😢 I plant any contaminated tubs/bags next to my tomatoes and then they get a tasty treat and I might get a few mushies 💙🍄💙
I saw that after this video, it grew back and you cut it out. Did that work? Can you mist the whole cake with peroxide to kill any spores or will that hurt the mushrooms?
For a cake that large, I'd say just cut off the side (since I wouldn't expect anything to spring back anyway). The flush you get off the rest will be worth enough to not be a loss of anything. And with some luck, you could maybe get another... but I'd expect the problem to creep up again. I think it eats the old myc from F1?
Hey keys I had an idea pop in my head about contam maybe you can try like a cap or dome of some sort to contain the contam into one sort of sealed area to allow you to get some fruits out of bins with contamination for instance if your spot of contamination is the size of a half dollar maybe take something the size of a spray paint can lid and just shove it into substrate surrounding that spot would be interesting to see
Great content. With that reaction to the peroxide wondering if can use to test for contam. I'm new and I see lots bright white fuzzy areas in my jars lots of times
Cool info. I have tried it myself and the peroxide didn’t help in my particular case I tried to spray the area with 3% 2 days in a row and whatever my contam was just spread more.
If you are growing on a large scale do not open tub in your clean areas, it's even possible to not open the lid at all and just let the mushrooms grow out.
It works well in agar to help clean really dirty master plates after making sub plates. Works very well against bacteria, and is effective enough on trich agressive strains will generally kill it off.
I threw a contaminated cake miinus the bit of contam, into a bag of cheap topsoil/mulch, and 2 weks later the whole bag was colonized ...worked so well i thought im guna have to buy some more 6 dollar bags of topsoil and inoculate em
Nunca es malo probar, pero cuando la contaminación viene desde adentro o de la parte inferior del bulk nada se puede hacer con peróxido, por qué puede que ataques la infección desde arriba, pero no sabes cómo está en el medio, espero que ese bulk se haya mejorado, esto es solo cruzar los dedos 😢.
Mold like mycelium drives off moisture and humid place has unfortunately it will take over peroxide will work but you need to catch it early enough that looks like it already started to spread so it will be hard to get it to stop and where you spray the peroxide the mycelium does not want to grow too much moisture there now
This works really well if you get it before it starts to drop spores. I use a lot of H202 in Mushroom growing, it's underrated for sure. I rarely get contamination because I spray everything with it when I first go to bulk. I stop once I start to see mycelium if I don't have contam.
i know your sponsored by alot of people but with all that storage you have there 3 12qt boxes would line up on each shelf less chances of contam and more grows!
I had no contamination, really couldnt tell at first b/c I'm a new grower. I gave my tub a few sprays of peroxide and my the next day I got 4 new pins. I'm wondering if its okay to spray once a week to prevent contamination....
Im trying to grow but ive never had a green thumb.. wish i could just scrap all this shit and buy what i want from you 😂😂 hey, if youre interested hmu! 😂 otherwise, enjoy your videos man, you do a great job, keep on keepin on big homie!
The peroxide will break down into water so if you don’t dab it all up you’re still good. When I do shotguns I like to add some peroxide to the perlite. Keeps things clean
Man will this work with innoculation jars? 1 of my 3 rye jars has mold and mycelium growing beautifully. It is the green trichoderma. Will the hydrogen affect the mycelium it touches at all? Should i dig the spot of Trichoderma out then hit it with hydro? My myceliem is still in the beginning stages of growth and i dont want to lose a whole batch of grain. I literally have about 5 spots of growth and then one small spot of trichroderma on the side. This is my first batch ever so recommendations welcome.
I had an all in one grow bag with super thick white mycellium. I saw a spot of contamination. I sprayed it with peroxide and I'm pretty sure I ruined it. I should've dabbed it with a paper towel. 😢
Hello , This is my first attempt and I noticed this morning that my white mycelium has a turned a light creamy colour in parts , is this contamination please xx ??
Also can I use this video a couple days ago I had to get rid of a whole block due to contamination but honestly whenever I broke up the inside of the block had contamination right in the very center of it so I think I would have been screwed straight from the get-go. Maybe I overwatered it trying to putting it into fruiting conditions. But now that I think about it whenever I did to break him shake I had a little bit of soil that came out which tells me that I had a micro tear in it I ended up folding it over and putting some tape over the micro terror but obviously some bacteria spores was able to enter and land on top of the substrate which gave me some black mold looking stuff I sprayed that down with hydrogen peroxide I had the chemical reaction I wiped it off just as you did but something just didn't feel right so I just went ahead to break the block up and get rid of it and that's whenever I found the mold on the very inside of the grow block. I am consistently blown body Uncle Ben's tek. I have never really had contamination using the Uncle Ben's tek, until it came time to do a transfer. Anyway bro thanks for the confidence I am subscribed and await your content daily
II got Trich in one of my tubs so I cut it out with a sterilized knife, unfortunately, the Trich spread to other parts of the tub and I had to dump it.
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What other ways have you heard about to fix contamination?
Probably best to get it out of your house asap. The mold will sporulate and can mess with your future grows. Opening that in your house and leaving in your grow area isn't for your future work. Best of luck
I'm wondering if the spot where there's contamination could be cut out, like a small chunk of cake removed.
It needs to be caught sooner that contam spread is to far along by now and grew more into the substrate than you think Id cut the contam out in a square treat the sides with hydrogen peroxide 3% but 99% of the time I would throw it out clean grain is to easy to make and the substrate is cheap/easy 2 mix yourself. When it comes to Trichoderma once it turns green you should assume its grown deeper into your tub/bag if you can catch it before it turns it can be treated on the surface this is from personal experience. I sterilize all my grain and substrate in bags I add my fully colonized grain to the substrate and give it a day or 2 to grow out in the bag before I then add it to my tubs. All substrates must be fully colonized (white Caked) before adding any casing layers this way casing layers do not need to be pasteurized or sterilized. I rarely get contams maybe 15% of the time if that I have 2 cats and use my closet for mushroom inoculation etc. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V56QH7T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - True HEPA Air Filter
@@midwestlizardman1149 I'm going to try that next
@@midwestlizardman1149 that’s best cut out
Just a quick tip.....cut the top and bottom off a 2 liter plastic soda bottle. Wash it up real good and disinfect it with isopropyl. Then place the plastic tube over it so that the contam is inside the plastic tube or cylinder. After you have this set up..now you can spray it with hydrogen peroxide, making sure you spray within the cylinder. This will prevent the contamination from sporulating or spreading outward as you mist. The spray bottle not only shoots the hydrogen peroxide but it will also act as a small gust of wind, which causes outward contamination. Basically this is a contam isolation technique.
I've used a micro torch and burned the contam. Actually, it worked like a charm, and the mycelium got over it pretty quickly. Now I have fresh reishis on my plate instead of a lump of moldy cake in the back yard.
Yo I have little yellow spots like this tub but not gran just yellow is that normal?
@4inadeucek I don't know anything about your grow, bro. I can't even see your yellow spots to give any feedback on. I am no authority to begin with. I'd say err on the side of caution and don't accidentally poison your fam. I mean, if you have to ask, well isn't that the definition of dubious? If you find the safety of your produce questionable, don't feed it to your community.
There's yellow spots, and it's not grain...
It wasn't there before...
Maybe you're describing metabolites...
Maybe not...
Good luck with that
I mean have u grown anything from burying it in tha backyard?
@@ctx.josiah yes, in fact i do find a morel or 2 growing under the oaks out back in early spring. Along with the occasional wine cap I'd say it not a waste. Don't know where you live or how it might work out for you.
@@4inadeucekI think a small few spots off yellow is OK but a big load off it is no good I belive the yellow is like a liquid if you look at it up close a bit like dew drops on a blade off grass but yellow...but don't take my word it was on a video I just watched
I know for sure 3% peroxide easily gets rid of cobweb mold on the cakes. I saved two shoeboxes recently
I have a little fuzzy on top of my grow bag with a few pins... it hasn't spread so not sure if it's normal or should I spray still... it still smells earthy
@@chicofromph33nix64what was it? Was it just mycelium?
@@DankMemer42013 yes.. it was mycelium. If it was Cobweb mold,it wouldve took over in a day or 2. I kept an eye on it and was just mycelium.
Macro vs Micro had success in doing a few Macro first . Allowing the mushrooms to blast you into self awareness , showing you the shadows and trauma that have been hiding under the rug . Micro dosing has helped me stay on the pulse of my shadow work , helping me remember my best self .
0:06 Microdosing makes me feel more human . I personally feel like microdosing increases my ADD for the day , but I may have to dial the dose down a little . The benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@DanielJohn-xx6ep0:09 I've talked to people who micro and macrodose to help with a TBIs . I'm told that it's easier to find words when talking , and it helps improve short term memory . I've also heard of it helping with hearing , where people who could no longer hear birds could hear them again .
@@JuanMadeline0:04 What's the difference macro and micro sounds exciting and I'll love to try where can I get em ?
@FrankPhilips-cl4vwoh great, ive been looking for a reliable source, all thanks to you...But can dr.johnsonshroom deliver to the north Carolina?
@@tinna2830:03 Yes and he delivers discreetly.
I've done this before with contaminated cakes that had green mold on them. Out of 12 cakes, 2 had mold on them. I remove only those two and dug the mold out with a sterilized spoon and sprayed them with 3% peroxide. I then mixed a little hydrogen peroxide with distilled water and mist all of the other cakes and put the two i removed back in fruiting. After a few days, my homie texted me pictures of all of them producing hella shrooms even the two that were sick. I got the idea from a guy on RUclips that saved a agar contamination with hydrogen peroxide. The popcorn grain was contaminated which he found out using the agar plate. He took the contaminated grain of corn and soaked it in hydrogen peroxide. He then put that same grain into a new agar plate and it turn completely white with no contamination. I was shocked that it worked. I always keep a mixture of distilled water and peroxide mister on hand. Great video.
Who was the guy on RUclips?
Nice this is 100% true I've been studying for about two years thankful for all of the helpful advice and information from yall that get out and DIY
You sprayed the whole cake with 3% after scooping out the contam?
That’s very cool! I had no idea Hydrogen Peroxide would do that.
The fact that the reaction only occurs on the contamination is a very good sign of its effectiveness.
Very cool BassDropKeys!
Lovin’ the channel!
I gargle with peroxide anytime I start to get a sore throat. My grandson got strep once, had him gargle with peroxide. Knocked it right out. He was still sore but the infection was killed instantly. We've also used it for ear infections when I was a kid. No antibiotics needed ever.
If you ever accidentally swallow a little bit you'll just vomit a little. Pretty safe.
It will bubble any where you spray it because it’s eating living tissue such as the mycelium as well as bacteria that is often found throughout the cake but not a problem until the mycelium is weakened from aging or perhaps wet spot bacteria, It would have to be completely sterile and also not have any living cells in order not to form bubbles .
It depends on the type of contamination. I got in the hobby almost 3 years ago. I’ve only had contam twice but both times it was trich. The first time was my very first grow after rehydrating for the second flush. I tried everything. Peroxide, cutting it out, burning it and even as a last ditch effort bleach water solution and nothing worked. No point in trying if you have a trich contamination. Even if you catch it before it produces spores like me. Then the second time was my last APE tub right after the second flush started to come in. So to stop from spreading trich spores all in my area if I see what looks like trich mycelium I don’t open my tub at all. Just keep an eye on it. Then if it doesn’t turn green in a few days it may not be trich. But in my case it was. So I just toss the whole tub and keep it closed. This is one reason why I just buy cheap Walmart tubs. But two tubs out of almost 100 that have gotten contaminated so I’m doing pretty good. I do the no touch tek. 12 on 12 light and FAE filter patches from S2B. I’ve had the best success that way. As long as my substrate is to field capacity I don’t have to open the tub until I start to harvest. Cuts down on chances of contamination. When I do harvest I put the tub on the open oven door with the top element on about 220F to keep that up draft from the heat.
Hey I’m planning on getting into this with grow bags, how do I avoid contamination? Also should I store the bags after inoculation and after putting the bags into fruit conditions I’ve been thinking of maybe getting a grow box to keep the bags in. Just looking for insight.
Instead of spraying the H2O2 at an angle towards the center of your substrate, you should have sprayed towards the outside of the tub. You probably just blew a bunch of mold spores all over your mycelium. However, to have any chance whatsoever to actually save your grow, you really have to cut out the infected substrate and separate it from the rest to keep the contam from spreading in order to save the uncontaminated substrate, kind of like severing an infected limb to save the body. Cut it up like a cake, separating the contam from the uncontaminated substrate. Then, spray the edge where you just cut on the uncontaminated piece with H2O2. Then, treat it like BRF cakes, and put it in a fruiting chamber. You will need to hydrate the cakes with a pipette or mister rather than soaking them, as they will crumble and fall apart if you soak them, and then just sprinkle vermiculite on the outside, or roll/dab in verm if you can do it without breaking them.
I am actually currently in the process of doing this procedure to combat Trichoderma, and, after checking the cakes the next day, found new growth of contam on one of the cakes, on the edge where I cut it away from the contaminated substrate. So, I carefully took the cake with contam and cut another slice off and sprayed the edge again with H2O2, recoating with verm and hydrating afterwards. It has now gone another day and showing no clear signs of Trich growth. Mushrooms are growing and getting more pins showing up. It will most likely get overrun with Trich eventually, but at least I will get some fruits from it.
good point. we will see what happens
@@therookiemycologist what happened?
I would suggest cutting out the half of the tub that has the contamination on it and spraying the cake you save with hydrogen peroxide.
I had contamination in a 6qt APE tub, I tried scooping out around the spot, which left a hole about the size of half a softball along the one side, and within 3 days the contamination was growing on the plastic wall of the tub. It’s my first time, and I have 6 other tubs going so I decided “F it let’s try and save this thing.” It was covered in very uniform primordia and just starting the early stages of pinning. It looked like my mycelium was covered in pretzel salt, just a ton of pins forming.
I took it straight outside, and chopped a “hot dog bun” sized piece of very healthy substrate off, sprayed it down with some hydrogen peroxide, and put it into fruiting conditions in a new clean tub.
As I look at it right now, it has multiple one inch mushrooms growing and doesn’t show any signs of contamination other then odd yellowish spots on two of the caps. I swabbed the spots and they don’t smell bad and are clean. Either way I figured I would share my experience.
I have been able to treat trich contamination. But only to get one flush. Trich is usually throughout the substrate and when you rehydrate for the second flush, the trich returns in mass. Trich is a dangerous contaminant and can make you terribly sick. Also once the lid is taken off the trich spores spread through out the room.
I'm doing first grow, very paranoid about contamination especially trich now. One of the pins has a bit of white fuzz around the stalks, i hope thats not what it is.
@@foxsicleFuzzy feet is generally caused by too much water mainly iirc. Trich is green, or turns green fairly quick. Good luck 👍🏼
@@CornPopsDood Yeah. Turns out I was so paranoid about Trich and other contamins, i thought thats what i was seeing when things were fine. The long stems and then white dots, along with fuzzy feets tho ive been trying best to fix air a water levels. But, now the caps on most the ones growing have shriveled away, im not sure whats going on but i hope its yet another thing im just too noob to understand at the moment and theyll come back. Oof.
Edit: So, i had abortions apparently that i took care of. I feel like this kinda info has eluded me in the videos ive seen, i guess i should watch more.
@@CornPopsDoodiirc?
Bro no offense at all but you sound like ice cube to me! That's cool AF lol I like the information thank you!
Thank you..I literally scrapped whole batches because of this. Never thought of doing this 👍
I've never heard of doing this before to fight contam but I'm excited to see if it works, if it does then this'll be a total game changer!!
I regularly spray all areas of the growing environment with hydrogen peroxide, from innoculation through to fruiting. Doesn't completely prevent contamination but sure cuts the chances.
One tip, buy 5L of 12% food grade H2O2 and dilute to 3% as needed. Works out cheaper and has countless other health and cleaning uses, also diluting small amounts, as needed, doesn't require distilled water.
That's amazing! I can't wait to see the next video to see if it works 🤞
Started my myco journey thanks to your videos 🙏
One tec is to hit with a flame another is a technique that is not understood but seems to work great . Take a cup of hard wood fuel pellets and soak them for a while use hot water to speed it up then use this water to hydrate your grains and especially your substrate. You can also just mix the saw dust in with the coco or whatever sub you’re using. This is not harmful and seems to work very well so it is worth trying. Do the experiment using several control tubs and if you get tam before the 3rd flush it will be in the control tubs only. I have tested it this way over and over with the same results over a 4 year period . One note if you use regular water to soak, it often breaks the wood force field. You must put a little wood in everything you add . Wood agar wood LC . If you even look it your tubs make sure you drink a little wood tea first but seriously it would work if you try it.
I tried this twice with 1 successful attempt. I will asd that I cut the contamination out of the successful attempt and sprayed the remaining part with peroxide. It is still clean and on it's way to producing.
Your vids are always so helpful man. 🍄👏🏼
usually, when you're able to see the contam, there is already a network underneath the earth, so you'd have to get that too or it'll just grow back. But in theory, if you spray some peroxide on the visible parts, then cut out that specific area, with some extra margin like 3-5cm outside the edge of the visible areas and then spray the visibly healthy edge walls that is left by the cut, it shouldn't technically have anything allowing it to regrow. This would undoubtedly grow back, as there is mold mycelium underneath the visible parts, the issue is that you need to treat it the very second you notice contam, or you give it time to grow further and contam grows really fast. The more time the contam gets, the more it spreads, you can never kill the contam as there is always gonna be atleast 1 spore or healthy piece that regrows, the objective is to stop the spread, not try to kill it off.
I literally did this for cobweb mold last night. Hopefully I was successful
What was the result?
@@hemiharden83 it went in the trash
how bout a follow up? DId it work so far?
He died
I have seen a few people add hydrogen peroxide to their substrate while pasteurization as a way to prevent contamination. Honestly your the first I have seen treat it directly, so I am quite curious how this turns out.
I used some on a grain jar and within a couple of days it got took care of it. It wasnt a severe case of contam but enough to be a little concerned. UPDATE*Also worked partially on some black mold I had in my apartment. It was gone for a couple of months but it came back. I got the hell out of there.*
Mix one cup of borax into half a gallon of very hot water, and stir it for about 5 minutes. Then soak the moldy area and whatever surface it's on with the borax water. Allow it to SLOWLY dry as you want the material (wood, carpet, etc) to soak up some of that borax into it as it's drying. Mold can't grow or survive in an alkaline environment. Borax is the secret that mold remediation companies use. People into boating also know this trick. They soak the carpet or anything else that gets wet constantly, in a Borax/water solution and let it dry. When the area gets wet again, and would potentially grow mold, the now crystalized (dry) borax soaked into it, becomes wet and keeps the environment in an alkaline state. This is inhospitable for mold growth. You're welcome. No need to pay for expensive mold remediation. Just hose it down with borax and water and let it dry over the next 24 hours slowly.
Thank you for the lesson Mr. Keys.
When I had green in tanks I would use glass cups sprayed w peroxide, I’d press them to bottom and slow contamination down at best
I really hope this works for you! I’ve tried this dozens of times and it always came back. Trich is a real b* to get rid of, and I believe that once you open the lid, it becomes airborne and spreads everywhere. I would cut the area out with a wide margin and spray around the area you removed. When you’re done with this experiment, I highly recommend you do a deep cleaning of your fruiting tent. 😅 But I do hope you get plenty of fruits anyway! The rest of the tray looks robust!
Question: Can you install blue lights as a light source? Blue light is lethal to bacteria and filamentous fungi. Will it disturb the mushroom growth? Furthermore, is contamination bacteria or something else? Thank you.
Trich loves tomatoes!!! If only you had a garden😢 I plant any contaminated tubs/bags next to my tomatoes and then they get a tasty treat and I might get a few mushies 💙🍄💙
trich loves tomatoes or tomatoes love trich?
@@truthseeker7775 from my understanding, it’s a symbiotic relationship! Maybe we could all learn a little something from them😜🤣😍
I saw that after this video, it grew back and you cut it out. Did that work? Can you mist the whole cake with peroxide to kill any spores or will that hurt the mushrooms?
Thank you for the solution and by showing C can happen to anyone!
Cut the contam out and flame the substrate with a long bic lighter
I might have missed it but did you ultimately say whether this worked?
Was there an "after" video? This was interesting.
Excited to see this! I consider myself queen of contamination, and have never saved a cake. Most molds are more deeply embedded than you can see. 🎉
Yo good video. I heard you can burn the contamination with a torch flame to kill it
For a cake that large, I'd say just cut off the side (since I wouldn't expect anything to spring back anyway). The flush you get off the rest will be worth enough to not be a loss of anything. And with some luck, you could maybe get another... but I'd expect the problem to creep up again. I think it eats the old myc from F1?
Hey keys I had an idea pop in my head about contam maybe you can try like a cap or dome of some sort to contain the contam into one sort of sealed area to allow you to get some fruits out of bins with contamination for instance if your spot of contamination is the size of a half dollar maybe take something the size of a spray paint can lid and just shove it into substrate surrounding that spot would be interesting to see
Great content. With that reaction to the peroxide wondering if can use to test for contam. I'm new and I see lots bright white fuzzy areas in my jars lots of times
Actually looks promising
I’ve heard some people claim that the peroxide will hurt mycelium too but that doesn’t seem to here.
Cool info. I have tried it myself and the peroxide didn’t help in my particular case I tried to spray the area with 3% 2 days in a row and whatever my contam was just spread more.
Did the method succeed? Did that bin fruit without the return of the contam?
If you are growing on a large scale do not open tub in your clean areas, it's even possible to not open the lid at all and just let the mushrooms grow out.
It works well in agar to help clean really dirty master plates after making sub plates. Works very well against bacteria, and is effective enough on trich agressive strains will generally kill it off.
After harvest could you break up the cake and put more substrate or would that just ruin the cake
Thank you for this information
I threw a contaminated cake miinus the bit of contam, into a bag of cheap topsoil/mulch, and 2 weks later the whole bag was colonized ...worked so well i thought im guna have to buy some more 6 dollar bags of topsoil and inoculate em
Great video Keys
Nunca es malo probar, pero cuando la contaminación viene desde adentro o de la parte inferior del bulk nada se puede hacer con peróxido, por qué puede que ataques la infección desde arriba, pero no sabes cómo está en el medio, espero que ese bulk se haya mejorado, esto es solo cruzar los dedos 😢.
Would distilled vinegar work at all? Or just stick to cutting out any contamination out, make the area slightly bigger than the spot(s) in question?
Mold like mycelium drives off moisture and humid place has unfortunately it will take over peroxide will work but you need to catch it early enough that looks like it already started to spread so it will be hard to get it to stop and where you spray the peroxide the mycelium does not want to grow too much moisture there now
This works really well if you get it before it starts to drop spores. I use a lot of H202 in Mushroom growing, it's underrated for sure. I rarely get contamination because I spray everything with it when I first go to bulk. I stop once I start to see mycelium if I don't have contam.
Thanks for your trials
i know your sponsored by alot of people but with all that storage you have there 3 12qt boxes would line up on each shelf less chances of contam and more grows!
I had no contamination, really couldnt tell at first b/c I'm a new grower. I gave my tub a few sprays of peroxide and my the next day I got 4 new pins. I'm wondering if its okay to spray once a week to prevent contamination....
From what I read yes…blue oysters put out h2o2 naturally
I use an UV-C wand for these issues. Few doses and its gone.
Do you cut out the contam too, or just wand it all?
I add peroxide to my pasteurization process when I pasteurize my Coco coir.
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This is the caveman you might try 34% hydrogen peroxide you can get it off the inerweb
The Wonder of gardening, nothing ventured nothing gained,great experiment Keys!
In Google They use 0,1-0,3% for prevent
Hello after harvest some of mycelium bruised do I need to throw away the block
this video is a game changer for some people!! thank you my friend!! im excited to see the results in a few weeks!!
Im trying to grow but ive never had a green thumb.. wish i could just scrap all this shit and buy what i want from you 😂😂 hey, if youre interested hmu! 😂 otherwise, enjoy your videos man, you do a great job, keep on keepin on big homie!
Tritch wins everytime brother you can't save it but I have caught it in early stage and cover it with a cup and get one flush
Another channel say you need to get rid of it with a small gas flame
The peroxide will break down into water so if you don’t dab it all up you’re still good. When I do shotguns I like to add some peroxide to the perlite. Keeps things clean
Make your own mushroom dirt
Man will this work with innoculation jars? 1 of my 3 rye jars has mold and mycelium growing beautifully. It is the green trichoderma. Will the hydrogen affect the mycelium it touches at all? Should i dig the spot of Trichoderma out then hit it with hydro? My myceliem is still in the beginning stages of growth and i dont want to lose a whole batch of grain. I literally have about 5 spots of growth and then one small spot of trichroderma on the side. This is my first batch ever so recommendations welcome.
I would have cut out the contamination with a spatula
I’ve tried this before but I’m not sure if mines was actual contam because I got to it so early but I did get fruits in the end
Can i use hydrogen peroxide to just spray my mono tubs will it stall fruiting or do any harm
most of trich comes from grains inside of substrate, so I just cut the contamed part.
So treating only surface will possibly grow trich again😢😢
I had an all in one grow bag with super thick white mycellium. I saw a spot of contamination. I sprayed it with peroxide and I'm pretty sure I ruined it. I should've dabbed it with a paper towel. 😢
Keys‼️‼️ What do you think happened to this cake for it to catch contamination!?
Hello ,
This is my first attempt
and I noticed this morning that my white mycelium has a turned a light creamy colour in parts , is this contamination please xx ??
The least you disturb the contamination the slower it will grow.
Did this work?
I mightve did the break and shake too soon. Had a 4inch diameter mycelium patch in my bag and went threw with it. Is it possible to mess things up
Yeah peroxide does help and just cut it out and take a torch and burn it out
Wots ur favourite mushroom strain to trip with.
Question, if an all-in-one grow bag is done fruiting, could you break it up and add substrate in a mono tub to start fruiting again?
I believe so just rehydrate it for 2-4 hours
Just soak it for up to 24 hrs, then take out the water & start all over!
Would the peroxide kill the good mycelium?
not strong enough to
Friendly neighborhood WHAT lmao
Omg that was like magic if that shit works everyone ganna be doin this shit an havin mushrooms
welp we all know how to prevent it but it sucks when you get contam :(
I cut it out leave about 2 inches from the contam an it will slow it down ,but u can get a flush from ur cake ,
Cutting cake with a hot knife.
Just did this for cobweb mold
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How did it turn out?
Hallo man where did you get the metallic shelves?
Also can I use this video a couple days ago I had to get rid of a whole block due to contamination but honestly whenever I broke up the inside of the block had contamination right in the very center of it so I think I would have been screwed straight from the get-go. Maybe I overwatered it trying to putting it into fruiting conditions. But now that I think about it whenever I did to break him shake I had a little bit of soil that came out which tells me that I had a micro tear in it I ended up folding it over and putting some tape over the micro terror but obviously some bacteria spores was able to enter and land on top of the substrate which gave me some black mold looking stuff I sprayed that down with hydrogen peroxide I had the chemical reaction I wiped it off just as you did but something just didn't feel right so I just went ahead to break the block up and get rid of it and that's whenever I found the mold on the very inside of the grow block. I am consistently blown body Uncle Ben's tek. I have never really had contamination using the Uncle Ben's tek, until it came time to do a transfer. Anyway bro thanks for the confidence I am subscribed and await your content daily
I was just talking into my phone instead of typing so I apologize for all of the typos I did not feel like going back and correcting then LOL
That’s crazy
II got Trich in one of my tubs so I cut it out with a sterilized knife, unfortunately, the Trich spread to other parts of the tub and I had to dump it.
I won’t even risk it
Can u still do this if fruits r there
Dog so many I threw out if this works man jeeesh
Did it work