Olena Tregub - Are Allies Finally Starting to Back Ukraine to Win not Merely to Survive the Invasion
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Olena Tregub is a Ukrainian expert in policy analysis, policy design and reform implementation, with a special focus on corruption prevention in economic and security sectors. Since 2017 Olena has been Secretary General of NAKO (the Independent Defence Anti-Corruption Committee) - an international oversight body created by Transparency International. It’s her mission to strengthen democratic oversight over defence spending, increase accountability and transparency of the sector, which is critical in wartime, and has become a hotly debated topic in the run-up to the 2024 US election. Before joining the Ukrainian government, Olena built her career abroad in journalism, policy analysis, education, and international development. Olena has worked in the UN Headquarters in New York, taught International Relations in American universities, and cooperated with The New York Times and Kyiv Post.
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Great channel, I enjoy your interviews very much.
Very clever lady thanks for your video great report SLAVA Ukraini
Olena hit the nail on the head. The agency that UA demonstrates is an inspiration - and lesson - to the entire West at least, and perhaps the entire globe.
I could listen to Olena all evening.
SLAVA UKRAINI ! !
Great conversation, Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
That was a great interview, thank you.
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Keep up the great work, Jonathan.
It was great to hear a Ukrainian voice speaking with such level-headed clarity about what must be so personally painful. You tackled some tough questions head-on, without wavering. Thank you Olena and thank you Jonathon. I hope many more decision-makers watch this.
Olena speaks to the heart of the matter, thank you Johnathan for having her on your podcast! 💛💙
Дуже дякую за інтервію.
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Suport from Spain.
Another fascinating episode from Jonathan. Easily one of the best podcasts on RUclips. Well done!
Nobody is ever going to believe pootin again, that's over forever 💯💯
Ukraine is blessed with an abundance of talented people.
yes, very, but also they've always been passionate and serious ppl. That is THE reason they survived since '14, and everyone in charge of most countries on earth knows that. Ru is an anachronistic plainly hyper-aggressie state bcuz it's run by both autocrat bureacrats & the only large secret police on the planet, that developed its sophistication during the USSR period. These newer apparatchiks are plainly wantonly avariciously greedy and decadent and have created a culture of bloodlust etc. This is plain hyper-fascism, not just 'fascism' as knew it in ww2. Those of us who have known eastern europeans, eastern germans, russians and the ethnic parts of russia, know these plain simple facts. RU has to be contained, or there will be no world as we've known it during the economic levitation of '45-now. Simple.
@@18_rabbitwell put. Also, these nuts in Russia bolster fashism all over the world. It's not a coincidence we got trump to deal with. Europe got similar problems as well.
Good to see the digits rising on the subscribers of yours. Olena is a wonderful guest and a beautiful woman. I think that helps. Great talk!
❤ context and details
Jonathan is suprr smart and so well worth listening to.
The man's delusional!
The west needs to give Ukraine what it needs!
Then you put your money where your mouth is.
Done.
So will they send soldiers setting off WWIII?
Another great broadcast with excellent information..another average comment with hardly any 😋
Thanks
I can only hope so, Lena!
I'm sick & tired of this "war by half-measures" - and if the US isn't in it to win, then why are we in it at all?
RESPECT,
THE TOTAL PACKAGE, ....GREATNESS IS SELF EVIDENT🔱⭐.
This war is the most pivotal happening that anyone could have ever imagined ever . Angels defending good against utter evil and explaining the very psicological structure of how evil minds work to the whole Fee World . Fearlesly fighting and dying face to face with the devil and prevailing . West wasn't aware that this utter evilness could ever exist currently . Brilliantly gifted ukrainian people teaching how GOOD must be defended . There is still much more to be done .
I am glad to see Europe stepping up to carry the torch for Ukraine. I just hope that the business of permission doesn’t backfire in the USA as it just muddies the water in place of the simple notion of providing the equipment needed for self-defense. I think all Americans understand that quite well.
Ukraine used to be, but they have changed things a lot since 2014.
Don't forget Holland. We do not just send helmets. Also infantry vehicles, tanks, patriot, F16 and anti-mining boats. The F16's are allowed to strike inside Russia.
Vir so 'n onbevoegte nasie, het die Kaaskoppe het nog altyd groot gepraat. Meer bek as binnegoed!
Excellent guest. More people and politicians need to wake up and learn about what is really going on by the brutal Russians. This includes the media as well who rarely cover in an unbiased way. Russia is not a great country nor a great culture.
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What is going on with the 'London cars'?
I hope that the European people will finally understand that they too under threat that they can lose their freedom and everything that they worked for if Ukraine loses and Russia invades the rest of Europe.
No they wouldn't
7:20 Politically it´s impossible in Germany to start anything military. Most people are very cautious because of World War 2. In Germany almost nobody fears Russian collapse, Germany is fighting with itself and its history. Also way to many people in Germany still think Russia could tank everything and would have endless resources, therefore they consider it useless to support someone fighting Russia. Ukraine can change this showing strength.
Нет, не может. Зеленский поставил весь демографический потенциал Украины на кон, и проиграл. Больше у Украины нет достаточного количества молодых мужчин, которые готовы умереть за ЛГБТ-парады и коррупцию сына Джо Байдена.
The UK 🇬🇧 were First to Help Ukraine just like we were the First to help Poland in 1939... let's hope we get More Votes at the Eurovision in Future 😜
Tanks Ukraine left behind . & Russian soldiers took it yesterday .
I’m worried that the republicans are showing “support” for Ukraine because it’s a popular political issues, however, it’s pretty clear what would happen if trump got elected. He would obviously stop supporting Ukraine and possibly nato as a whole
I really dislike that you blurr the background
Who is the president of Ukraine?
No. Sorry.
Sorry, but the quality of Olena's video is much better than yours. Why don't you pay attention to this?
" united kingdom " .. lmao !! 'Dictated kingdom ' mare like .
With respect to the modern non soviet era fighter jets. There is no way in hell you can convert the experienced pilots to modern aircraft and, more importantly, the way they fight. It's too complicated and too different. When the poop hits the fan they will revert to what they know and be destroyed. The pilots need to be trained from scratch if this program is to have any chance of success. Sadly, they don't have the luxury of that time. Therefore, they need to hire mercenary pilots or as the lady says, Europe has to step in and finish this. You cannot rely on the usa. The only thing they understand is cut and run
Jake Broe broke some records getting donations through crowd funding to buy and equip medical evacuation vehicles, and to help get the medics where they need to go. It was awesome! Everyone wants to help, they just need to know how and where it is the most needed 💯🇺🇦🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🥰🫂👍👍🇺🇦🇺🇦
Keep up your good work.
Your steady consistency is key and much appreciated.
I think a lot of people in the Donbas region got a very rude awakening, like the Russian conscripts once they get to the front lines - pootin told Donetsk and luhansk regions they were sovereign territories, and then proceeded to take them completely over and use them for fodder and take all their stuff..
I do believe they are 💪🏼🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦👍👍👍👍👍👍
Absolutely, it is about winning and not about barely surviving!
How does winning look like?
22:28 corruption in the face of immediate need is blatant. Everyone would stand up and oppose corruption at this point. Just like the defense of Kyiv on the First 3 days of the war citizens will organize and act.
European soldiers need fighting experience in Ukraine to get them up to speed with the correct composition of their own armed forces and help them deal with an experienced Russian army, should a wider conflict occur.
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Best guest ever she's excely!!
Treaty for no NATO in Ukraine. End the war.
Has anyone approached the evangelical churches in the US about the Russian persecutions?
Thanks again , Mr Curtain . I have great difficulty commenting on any such podcasts without spitting anger at the west’s once again encouraging a bloodbath in Eastern Europe . Perhaps one day when discussing the corruption in Ukraine it would be useful to compare it to a system like , say , the American one where no one unable to raise many millions stands the remotest chance . How is it that it’s taken so long for ‘us’ to begin to appreciate how deeply our governing class has been penetrated by hostile forces ?
i always find the blurry background to be distracting.... i end up missing so much because the borders of the area censored shifts and it becomes the shiny moving colors that trigger my ADHD to act up...
Turn away and just listen
The modern leftist like Mr Biden believe somehow there can be war without casualties and no escalation can be used to win. Biden was willing to provide munitions because it helped the American military complex which was his main objective. Then to help Russia survive Mr. Biden limited the use of American munitions to within Ukraine. Why the Europeans cannot grasp this truth is so amazing to most conservative Americans. That is why conservatives in the US public is against just throwing money at the problem without allowing a true Ukraine victory not some kind of compromise that neither combatants wins or loses. Same case for the Israel Hamas war no winners and no losers just compromise.
i support Ukraine, but I think Ukraine is not the only reason Russia needs this war, Russia is doing domestic purges with this war, not only to rid itself of fighting age men on it’s borders and Easterly regions but to reallocate power balance and security laws, much like after 9/11 in USA. i think Putin is modeling a lot of this after America. i think they plan to emerge from this , open up the North sea passage and be King of the hill with China, well it is a complete farce and absurd, repulsive, criminal, it must be stopped.
In an interview with Russian politician Zimin he said Western countries should erect solid gold and platinum statues of Putin because he has single handily revived Western militaries and weapons industry!😂
Everybody should watch that interview, a fearless intelligent ruSSian.
Why did it take so long?
This war is brutal. The occupation of Ukrainian culture and society is cynical and dare I say, genocidal. We must help our Ukrainian brothers and sisters. Thank you for interviewing your guest. Her time and insights were very important.
It's always the same stupid fucking story with all genocidal dictatorships, they always believe "if only you were the same as me, we could be friends", without ever contemplating the fact that maybe they if they should be more like us, if they hadn't already made up their mind that it would be beneath them.
i wish i was in a better position to help Ukraine... as it is, all i can do right now is vote for people in my government who i feel are more likely to help the war have a less tragic ending
I have visited Ukraine recently and fell in love with the brave people of this nation. I am sorry for your losses. Thank you for defending democracy. Слава Україні 🇺🇦🩵💛
SLAVA UKRAINI
Democracy = Unnatural sex, drugs and rock n roll?
WRT agency: already there are people calling Ukraine a proxy for "the West." Of course, those people have no concept of love of country, family, culture. Money and power are all they know. So perhaps the counteraction would be to reveal the poverty of their worldview and the strength of Ukrainian culture. Just a thought.
Ukraine don't ever need to be spoon fed by what type Putin or Russia to decides what kind of sovereign Ukraine is or choose.
Putin has destroyed many cities in Ukraine & stolen almost 15% of Ukraine territories but he still cries if Ukraine fights back & attack inside Russia? Those F16 can shoot down cruise & ballistic missiles, drones, & capable to shoot down fighter jets! Also they can attack Russian troops in the ground to give cover to Ukrainian troops fighting in the grounds. Now putin is shakingin fear. Soon he'll be arrested by Russian generals who against his war. 😢
When I see lips moving, I hear delusion! The truth is: H$tler was made and armed by uk to destroy eastern europe and Russia. Today you are sacrificed to save the us dollar free printer. comprendé!
this is a perfect display of ukrainian entitlement lmao
F16 and the Mirage will make a huge diference...
No, it will not! F-16’s are very old technology. Ukraine is struggling to learn to fly even our old technology. It is only more jets from countries that want newer technology. First, there will not be enough planes and Second, Ukraine still does not know how to use integrated force fighting. They will lose these old jets or never fly them.
@@greggalexander8216 Even so the Ukrainians seem to operate miracles with our "OLD" TECHNOLOGIE
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Spot on 👍
"Support Ukraine as long as it takes" - this was a mutual attrition strategy. At some point both sides would get tired of the war and make peace. This had two obvious flaws and should never have been tried. Firstly, the asymmetry between the two sides is too great. A long war would always benefit Russia. And secondly, there was never going to be a bargained solution. Russia would not agree to anything less than Crimea and the newly stolen territories staying Russian. And Ukraine would not agree to anything less than getting its territories back.
I am skeptical when it comes to actual commitments to Ukraine winning. My theory is that Ukraine forced the new rules of engagement by attacking early warning systems deep inside Russia. The West hated that so much that they agreed to the new rules, provided that Ukraine would stop its nuclear mischief.
A mistake to think a long war benefits Russia - from an military attrition perspective yes, but from a social and economic perspective, it is a disaster which will be felt for generations
Should Tucker Carlson and his ilk be included in the list of propagandists? I’m not sure. There should be some accountability, and the first amendment doesn’t apply globally especially when actively cheerleading warcrimes.
Yes, they are also Putin's propagandists abroad, in the West. I'm Ukrainian living in Canada for a long time. In 2006 I happened to befriend an psychologist who was recruited by a Kremlin operative when he was an university student and became a communist, visited Moscow in 1968 with other communists and again was recruited. Before February 24, 2022 he never asked me about Ukraine and its history. But since then became a Putin's admirer and propagandist. He turned nasty. I'm sure he's getting paid for it.
IMO Carlson should have a special place on the list, like William Joyce aka 'Lord Haw-Haw', the British turncoat who broadcast from Germany during WW2.
Tucker and Moscow Marge should be right at the top of the list.
Some in West think it would be best to "negotiate" with Russia and stop the war,that mean Russia keep what they got,war stops and "everyone" is happy...that approach is ABSURD and 100% wrong..WHO will guarantee that Russia wont go after more in 1,2,3,4,5-10 years????.and in fact,its EXACTLY because of this approach we got the 2022 invasion..2008 Russia invade Gerogia and the West appeased Russia and "rewarded" their behavor/agression with 20% of Georgian land...2014 Russia invaded Chrimea and the West did the samE(nothing) and rewarded Russian behavor/agression with 11% of Ukraine land...2022 Russia launched a full scale invasion upon Ukraine because they were 100% sure the West will do..NOTHING of course,like they done in 2008/2014..and all these years Russia threats the West,using its best weapon,propaganda,lies,corruption..and some leaders,politicians in the West have totaly fallen for Russian delusions,lies and threats..thats clear as a day..🇺🇦💯🇸🇪❤️
Loved Zelenskyy s hug to the Vet!
Zelensky and Biden are amazing politicians of the moment.
Trump and Sunak didnt show up at all
Aside from being a private citizen and therefore not invited to stand with heads of state, Trump is also a convicted felon and thus unable to enter France.
biden filled his damn pants during the ceremony the Americans must be embarrassed .
For heavens sake , joe soiled himself at the ceremony . not my guy . Can someone get Zalinesy a dress suit .
@@TheYeti308suits should forbidden. It is so annoying that all politicions beside Selensky wear so terrible looking clothes.
On what a nation is by The french filosopher Ernest Renan : " A nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things, which in truth are but one, constitute this soul or spiritual principle. One lies in the past, one in the present. " Ukraine and russia could hardly be more different. One the victim, the other the aggressor.
Both those nations are actually one and the same (origine, culture, religion, language,..)
I would say NATO is the aggressor here and both Ukraine and Russia are the victims.
But that's just my opinion.
@@dirkhouben9960 Point accepted. Can you explain the faiths of Maksim Shapoval and Denis Voronenkov.
@@henrikarboejensen812 No, I can not.
Her first interview was great, I had been wondering when she would be back. Awesome!
Great interview Jonathan! Slava Ukraini, Heroyam Slava!🇺🇦🇨🇦🌻
❤Slava Ukraini❤
..Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine … 💙💛💙
Backing Ukraine is the sole morale position one can make in this situation. If you do not back Ukraine you either fail on moral reasoning, or you lack any form of morality.
what about all the other problems in America that the money going to Ukraine could be used for housing, education,infrastructure, healthcare and all the other problems around the world Ukraine is nothing special to be put above the problems we have here in America.
@@damarcusowens5511spotted the Trump supporter
@@Alexander-James You spotted the russian bot pretending to be an American.
@@damarcusowens5511 Why would you need any infrastructure, jobs or education if the world is destroted by a nuclear war? And that's exactly what will happen if Putin is not stopped.
@@damarcusowens5511you don’t realize that helping Ukraine is actually making the USA a ton of money, they are saving on the disposal cost of old equipment and munitions and they are boosting their economy with thousands of new jobs and manufacturing to build equipment and munitions for aUkraine?
It is also saving trillions of dollars in the future as the USA doesn’t have to fight with their own people and also means they won’t have to fight China in Taiwan.
And another thing, you better not vote for Trump if you care about healthcare, education, welfare economic growth, equality and unemployment in the USA.
Restrictions upon Ukraine,the victim,the one who defend it self,its totaly ABSURD,BIZZARE,INSANE and wrong in every way,shape and form...same time theres NO,ZERO,NADA restrictions on RuSSia..its f...ed up!.slava Ukraini!🇺🇦💯💙💛🇸🇪❤️
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Russia is winning.
It’s really not. If this is winning I’d hate to see what losing looks like…
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Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine …. 💙💛💙
Slava Ukraine. From Indonesia.
It would be very nice to have Ukraine as part of our community - they are a strong, resourceful, innovative population and lovely to know - I wish I were younger and could travel there sometime.. 🥰👍🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦
Very insightful as usual
milions will leave because of energy ..wow..in Slovakia we are already a bit overrun by Ukrainians..i mean, they are all welcome here but if another big vawe is comming we can basically call this Ukraine...and Scholz is sitting on Taurus like a frog on a spring! Fuck!
I am a 76 year old American living in Kherson throughout the war and I take the Budapest Memorandum very seriously such that we Americans must therefore treat the Russian war of aggression in Ukraine as the same as an attack on our soil in the interest of national security. Ukraine is a military ally at war with a common ememy and we must feel the loss of every Ukrainian soldiers as one of our own boys. Since Russia invaded Ukraine, all military targets on Russian territory are fair game. I volunteered for the Kherson Territorial Defense force three days before the full scall invasion on February 4, 2022 and I was turned down because of my age. I have tried three more times in various ways but I have not been successful but I will keep trying. My goal is to ride out of Kherson on an American Abrams M1 tank in a mechanized river crossing to the left bank of the Dnipro. Great discussion as always. Keep up the good work.
So good to see the French leading. It's not something I ever expected.
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Thank you for continuing to post these important conversations. They are beyond informative and highly underrated. I can’t believe there aren’t more views.
Keep up the great work!
Excellent conversation, great to hear that there is some effort to go after the propagandists! Regarding the last question, we would be better to ask - Are we prepared for Russians attempt to absolve themselves of all responsibility? I think the excuse making for the war will be greater than the excuse making for the outcome. Ultimately, post Putin, Russians will want things go back to 'before times', they will seek absolution though claimed victimhood. Political apathy removes feelings of responsibility for the actions of the state.
Just totally fell in love with Olena ... wish there where something I could do to help Ukraine and there brave people
For Ukraine to be victorious in this war against Russia that is a change the world and its economies and logistics can’t handle. I want for Ukraine to be victorious of course, but can you imagine the mourning after? It will challenge a lot of notions, I say bring them on what is life, without the consistency of change, but economies aren’t meant for that, and it will be one hell of a turning.
Need to reduce the videos to less than 30 minutes. Can't afford nearly 60 minutes in my day.
Ukraine is burning and bleeding. Nato says "that was the plan so we don't get dirty, suckers - I mean heros.
Thank you, Jonathan, for inviting Olena Tregub again. Thank you, Olena, for your conversation.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
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Thanks Jonathan
Ukraine 🇺🇦 Europe🇪🇺America 🇺🇸 Democracy & Freedom all across the world 🌍
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