I like how you added some slides. that's nice. when trying to find a section in your older videos it's hard since there are no chapters/visual cues for a specific section so adding slides and stuff is really nice. also appreciate the simple format. less is more. thanks for the content
Ill probably redo that video, it was a very early tester! Maybe when i run out of ideas for content. I think ill probably also give iron hands their own series at some point!
So I've had the opportunity to use my Kratos' tanks over the last few games and this video kinda hammers home a lot overall. I play Imperial Fists so my shots typically hit more overall. I first ran a pair of truly loaded up Kratos with Flashburn, 4x Las, Flare Shield, and a Havoc Launcher. 835 for both, but they earned their points back in two games so ridiculously well. They were the absolute bane of vehicles and the Havoc Launchers let them harass infantry all game at the same time. Hitting on 2's with rerolls with the main cannon and co-ax was so nasty and made sure anything I touched died. Worth noting that keeping a Forgelord behind them to repair them all game could be super worth it if you wanted to maintain their viability; I didn't do this but it's a great idea. The two Kratos killed at last 950-1200 points in each game. After that I tried two separate units of a one Kratos each with the "Sniper" loadout but with a pair of Autocannons instead of two of the Heavy Bolters; this benefited heavily from all my stuff hitting on 2's. Both did very well and the opponent struggled with target priority as they spent all game hammering out miscellaneous armored units or infantry. These felt like a very comfy middle ground considering it was nearly 200 points cheaper than the previous loadout I had. I could see value in even just running one to open up HS slots, and even maybe a squad of 2, but they'd definitely be targeted more due to their unit density and massive footprint if in a single squad. This loadout is very much worth it for MOST people. Lastly I had a purpose-built Kratos for my Imperial Fists (yes I own three Kratos, two of which are fully magnetized). I ran Flashburn, 2x Autocannons, 2x Assault Cannons, PM-Assault Cannon, and a Flare Shield. This thing drives up and absolutely annihilates infantry and armor all game but is over 400 points on its own. I had a Siege Breaker walking near it most of the time giving it Sunder on all of its guns, and it was frankly disgusting to the point of where the Siege Breaker buffs almost feel mandatory. 12 Assault Cannon shots fishing for 6's against armor is insane when I'm rerolling attempts to Pen and the Autocannons already being S7 and Rending is just as nasty with the Sunder. I reliably popped AV14 a few times and chewed apart a Laser Vindicator squad in one turn with all the Rending and Sunder with a plethora of Pens and Glances. When not attacking tanks I was wounding just about everything infantry based on a 2+ and the Assault Cannons were amazing for Return Fire Reactions. This will absolutely draw fire close up at 24', but properly supported is an absolute monster since its reliably good against just about EVERYTHING. Super thematic and super fun. It earned its points back insanely well even if a bit of a gimmick. I have yet to use any of the Volkite since I don't gain tons of benefits from it as an IF player. I will try the Melta option eventually, but again, as an IF player I don't gain a lot from it compared to other things.
Making one atm for my Iron Hands army :) and as i love Volkites it will have full Volkite build. i only play with my friends for fun so no need for it to have the "best" weapons, but the ones i like :D but ofc i magnetize it so i can change the weapons :D
Another legion that seems to do well is the Dark Angels, an Ironwing Kratos firing flashburn shells at vehicles only triggers Gets Hot 1/36 times, and in general snapshots at BS2.
basically thinking of kitting this out as anti-vehicle/anti big things like dreads and primarchs. Since I run fists, I'm tempted to stick the Iliastus Assault Cannon on the pintle mount and get that +1 hit for auto weapons on every gun from the Battlecanon on down. It's a ton of firepower but also a ton of points in one basket. this video has got me pausing to re-think my build. Also, I just love how much tanks and vehicles play a bigger part in 30k.
Slides and chapters are great additions as others have said! I would love a video like this on the Spartan, one that went into the best loadouts for the vehicle itself but also what kind of units would be good to transport - it's quite an expensive vehicle to begin with, so putting a unit of ten terminators in means you have a massive chunk of your army invested..
@@Hearesy I built all the secondary weapons as Volkite, and the primary weapon as the battlecannon, I was going to go volkite primary as well but the battlecannon looked too cool!
I have built mine with 3 assault cannons, (sponson and pintle) and added the hull mounted auto cannons for farming the IF +1 hit, and fishing for 6's to trigger rendering.
I just went with five heavy bolters, dozer blade, searchlight, and the base cannon.. cause when you have 20 shots at strength 5, you have 20 shots at strength 5
I've said it when Terrain Kickers did their Kratos analysis and I'll say it again - given the ability to shoot the sponson and casemate heavy bolters against a different target, just pick whichever main gun and no other upgrades.
Solid video, the Kratos is a cool model and I have one for my 4th Legion built dirt cheap, like an expensive long-range fourth vindicator. You are right about the 14AV not really being that high anymore (Demolisher Cannons are S12, for Satan's sake), but I had one qualm: The "Mixed Roll" Kratos is presented at 395pts (for a single model squadron), but shouldn't it come to 380? The unit entry states that "any Legion Kratos may exchange both Hull (Front, Left) Mounted heavy bolter and its Hull (Front, Right) Mounted heavy bolter with one of the following options", then proceeds to give options that replace both weapons simultaneously for the points listed per model in the squadron. It is listed in the same fashion for both of the Sponson Mounted weapons in the next option. At the 395pt presented, you end up paying the points for both of the hull mounted calivers, and the sponson mounted culverins twice on single model. Or, am I about 2 pints over the limit to be doing math?
Thank you for the video! Would you also make a similar video for the Sicaran? I think it's super cool, and since it's confirmed to be coming in plastic I'd really be interested to see an analysis of its loadouts. Cheers!
Just building my DG list thematically towards the Creeping Death RoW, I've noticed I dont have a whole lot of dedicated anti-tank. I'm hoping I can use this to fill that role with the Melta-blast gun. Heavy 4 isnt that bad against terminator squads or even the odd pot shot at an infantry blob.
This is great. Can't wait to build mine now. When the Predators come out, think you could do a bit on how to use them together with a Kratos? I know a buddy of mine is intent on using a tank heavy list and would like to know.
I have 2. One I am making it a tank hunter and because I can the 2nd one I am doing ALL volkite. Why, because I can. :) I doubt I'll ever run 2 in a list so I figured why not do something fun. Should be able to get through a lot of marines at least.
Would it be a good idea to reinforce a Recon Company army with a squadron of those? I'm thinking about taking two, one with battle cannon and volkites, the second one with melta blastgun and lasguns.
Cool overview, the absence of “Power of the Machine Spirit” is a key limitation that needs to be considered in any loadout on the Kratos. Like speccing a new Audi, BMW or Mercedes, you’ve got to be very careful not to overspend on the options list. Few thoughts to add: > A pintle heavy bolter on a heavy-bolter rich loadout is well worthwhile. > Volkite (and heavy bolters!) are yet to shine as Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum rules are not yet here - future proofing! > Don’t forget the Iron Hands! The Kratos is ungodly tough in service of The Gorgon, always take the flare shield and tissues for opponents tears!
Personally i dont think vehicle reactions are very good! Anything that scares your vehicles isnt going to be stopped by some heavy bolters or volkites. Youd be better off using that reaction elsewhere.
@@Hearesy I guess it’s situational. My opponent the other day lost a jet bike to my rhino because it reacted with its multi melta, could be skewing my opinion 😅
Regarding moving and firing with different loadouts, do death guard kratos's benefit at all from the legions Remorseless ability? Able to more quickly move into melta range and keep up fire with supporting lascannons?
Would using the Volkite cannon and this tank to hunt marines and using cheaper tank squadrons or heavy squads or Sabres to hunt enemy tanks be a viable option? Instead of having Big "tiger" tanks Duke it out?
Imo as a fist player slap las cannons on it, assault cannons are better for 10 man heavy support squads so you can just mulch infantry. I'm taking the Kratos as my 3rd heavy support choice so i have some solid anti armor
@Swagismund so, this reply as me checking back in. I went all in on the assult cannon heavy bolter. Because they are defensive i can fire them at closest infitry while putting the big cannon to work on what needs slowling down. A tank destroyer might be more effective but I feel i get my points back more times than i dont going anti-infintrt
i just find the main guns to be a bit underwhelming, basically a frag mortar shell or two lascannons (or one big shot for extra points). Am i just being critical because im comparing it to the sicaran omegas potential to nuke stuff this ed?
The main gun being a pen even on below avg rolls vs av15 is a big deal, and the melta cannon is awesome too - big armourbane range. But it is a pricy tank no doubt
@@Hearesy you are right, it is probably me expecting a fellblade cannon or something! - p.s could you cover your opinions on graviton weaponry for this ed? i like the idea of the terrain effects.
I like how you added some slides. that's nice. when trying to find a section in your older videos it's hard since there are no chapters/visual cues for a specific section
so adding slides and stuff is really nice. also appreciate the simple format. less is more. thanks for the content
Thank you! Trying to keep adding more as I go
@@Hearesy
Yeah it's great I wouldn't sweat it
I love the powerpoint presentation. Really missed something visual to look at in your Iron Hands video when Im kinda new to the models
Ill probably redo that video, it was a very early tester! Maybe when i run out of ideas for content. I think ill probably also give iron hands their own series at some point!
So I've had the opportunity to use my Kratos' tanks over the last few games and this video kinda hammers home a lot overall. I play Imperial Fists so my shots typically hit more overall.
I first ran a pair of truly loaded up Kratos with Flashburn, 4x Las, Flare Shield, and a Havoc Launcher. 835 for both, but they earned their points back in two games so ridiculously well. They were the absolute bane of vehicles and the Havoc Launchers let them harass infantry all game at the same time. Hitting on 2's with rerolls with the main cannon and co-ax was so nasty and made sure anything I touched died. Worth noting that keeping a Forgelord behind them to repair them all game could be super worth it if you wanted to maintain their viability; I didn't do this but it's a great idea. The two Kratos killed at last 950-1200 points in each game.
After that I tried two separate units of a one Kratos each with the "Sniper" loadout but with a pair of Autocannons instead of two of the Heavy Bolters; this benefited heavily from all my stuff hitting on 2's. Both did very well and the opponent struggled with target priority as they spent all game hammering out miscellaneous armored units or infantry. These felt like a very comfy middle ground considering it was nearly 200 points cheaper than the previous loadout I had. I could see value in even just running one to open up HS slots, and even maybe a squad of 2, but they'd definitely be targeted more due to their unit density and massive footprint if in a single squad. This loadout is very much worth it for MOST people.
Lastly I had a purpose-built Kratos for my Imperial Fists (yes I own three Kratos, two of which are fully magnetized). I ran Flashburn, 2x Autocannons, 2x Assault Cannons, PM-Assault Cannon, and a Flare Shield. This thing drives up and absolutely annihilates infantry and armor all game but is over 400 points on its own. I had a Siege Breaker walking near it most of the time giving it Sunder on all of its guns, and it was frankly disgusting to the point of where the Siege Breaker buffs almost feel mandatory. 12 Assault Cannon shots fishing for 6's against armor is insane when I'm rerolling attempts to Pen and the Autocannons already being S7 and Rending is just as nasty with the Sunder. I reliably popped AV14 a few times and chewed apart a Laser Vindicator squad in one turn with all the Rending and Sunder with a plethora of Pens and Glances. When not attacking tanks I was wounding just about everything infantry based on a 2+ and the Assault Cannons were amazing for Return Fire Reactions. This will absolutely draw fire close up at 24', but properly supported is an absolute monster since its reliably good against just about EVERYTHING. Super thematic and super fun. It earned its points back insanely well even if a bit of a gimmick.
I have yet to use any of the Volkite since I don't gain tons of benefits from it as an IF player. I will try the Melta option eventually, but again, as an IF player I don't gain a lot from it compared to other things.
Love the Fists assault cannon Kratos!
Loving this channel. To the point, makes a statement and back it up with maths, and not about WAAC. Keep up the awsome work
Making one atm for my Iron Hands army :)
and as i love Volkites it will have full Volkite build.
i only play with my friends for fun so no need for it to have the "best" weapons, but the ones i like :D
but ofc i magnetize it so i can change the weapons :D
Gotta admit I am super tempted by this boy, since Blade pattern tanks are LoW choices, especially as a centrepiece model
Another great episode. I have been really enjoying your work. Thank You
Thank you sir!
Another legion that seems to do well is the Dark Angels, an Ironwing Kratos firing flashburn shells at vehicles only triggers Gets Hot 1/36 times, and in general snapshots at BS2.
Good shout too yep!
basically thinking of kitting this out as anti-vehicle/anti big things like dreads and primarchs. Since I run fists, I'm tempted to stick the Iliastus Assault Cannon on the pintle mount and get that +1 hit for auto weapons on every gun from the Battlecanon on down. It's a ton of firepower but also a ton of points in one basket. this video has got me pausing to re-think my build.
Also, I just love how much tanks and vehicles play a bigger part in 30k.
Good idea on the pintle, also adds a bit of variety too!
I just built my first one, and it can absolutely be built with swappable weapons. Just be careful with the top turret cover.
Slides and chapters are great additions as others have said! I would love a video like this on the Spartan, one that went into the best loadouts for the vehicle itself but also what kind of units would be good to transport - it's quite an expensive vehicle to begin with, so putting a unit of ten terminators in means you have a massive chunk of your army invested..
Great video as always, thanks!
I got 2 of these boys I'm eager to get into the game.
But you ain't getting me with smudgy screen trick this time!
Get yourself a nice can of compressed air, then you can pretend you were blowing off some dust…
Sweet, which loadouts are you using on them?
@@Hearesy I built all the secondary weapons as Volkite, and the primary weapon as the battlecannon, I was going to go volkite primary as well but the battlecannon looked too cool!
Thanks for this. Plus maybe more detail on why which weapons are a better choice.
I'm not thinking of picking one of these up, but good to know some ideas of how people will field it.
I have built mine with 3 assault cannons, (sponson and pintle) and added the hull mounted auto cannons for farming the IF +1 hit, and fishing for 6's to trigger rendering.
Iron Hands Kratos with flare shield is damn near impossible for most things to even glance on from the front armor. Food for thought.
Great review. Just getting into HH at the moe. Also I didn't know Paul Hollywood was into warhammer 😜
He’s not even from Liverpool, he’s faker than an Alpha Legionnaire!
I just went with five heavy bolters, dozer blade, searchlight, and the base cannon.. cause when you have 20 shots at strength 5, you have 20 shots at strength 5
I've said it when Terrain Kickers did their Kratos analysis and I'll say it again - given the ability to shoot the sponson and casemate heavy bolters against a different target, just pick whichever main gun and no other upgrades.
Solid video, the Kratos is a cool model and I have one for my 4th Legion built dirt cheap, like an expensive long-range fourth vindicator. You are right about the 14AV not really being that high anymore (Demolisher Cannons are S12, for Satan's sake), but I had one qualm:
The "Mixed Roll" Kratos is presented at 395pts (for a single model squadron), but shouldn't it come to 380? The unit entry states that "any Legion Kratos may exchange both Hull (Front, Left) Mounted heavy bolter and its Hull (Front, Right) Mounted heavy bolter with one of the following options", then proceeds to give options that replace both weapons simultaneously for the points listed per model in the squadron. It is listed in the same fashion for both of the Sponson Mounted weapons in the next option.
At the 395pt presented, you end up paying the points for both of the hull mounted calivers, and the sponson mounted culverins twice on single model.
Or, am I about 2 pints over the limit to be doing math?
Great video and thanks
Thank you for the video!
Would you also make a similar video for the Sicaran? I think it's super cool, and since it's confirmed to be coming in plastic I'd really be interested to see an analysis of its loadouts.
Cheers!
For sure, probably close to release time!
@@Hearesy sounds great, now we only need to know when that release time actually will be 😉
Just building my DG list thematically towards the Creeping Death RoW, I've noticed I dont have a whole lot of dedicated anti-tank. I'm hoping I can use this to fill that role with the Melta-blast gun. Heavy 4 isnt that bad against terminator squads or even the odd pot shot at an infantry blob.
This is great. Can't wait to build mine now.
When the Predators come out, think you could do a bit on how to use them together with a Kratos? I know a buddy of mine is intent on using a tank heavy list and would like to know.
For sure. Ill be doing the same!
Really enjoyed the video, will you be doing similar form sicaran variants and the super heavies?
Eventually I imagine so yes! And thank you!
Good stuff, ty sir!
Thanks Steve!
I know it’s not ideal, but i can’t wait to field my all volkite Kratos alongside my Legion Glaive
Will look awesome. I hope I get across in my vids that “ideal” doesnt mean “only”!
So what you're saying... is I need TWO! Got it.
I have 2. One I am making it a tank hunter and because I can the 2nd one I am doing ALL volkite. Why, because I can. :)
I doubt I'll ever run 2 in a list so I figured why not do something fun. Should be able to get through a lot of marines at least.
The Imperial Fists also improve the main gun, because the make the coax hit on a 2+.
Would it be a good idea to reinforce a Recon Company army with a squadron of those? I'm thinking about taking two, one with battle cannon and volkites, the second one with melta blastgun and lasguns.
vindicator makes happy sounds.
Cool overview, the absence of “Power of the Machine Spirit” is a key limitation that needs to be considered in any loadout on the Kratos. Like speccing a new Audi, BMW or Mercedes, you’ve got to be very careful not to overspend on the options list.
Few thoughts to add:
> A pintle heavy bolter on a heavy-bolter rich loadout is well worthwhile.
> Volkite (and heavy bolters!) are yet to shine as Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum rules are not yet here - future proofing!
> Don’t forget the Iron Hands! The Kratos is ungodly tough in service of The Gorgon, always take the flare shield and tissues for opponents tears!
Definitely looking forward to 3+ saves not being the only save. All them heavy bolters and autocannons might be great soon enough!
Where have you been?
I kinda feel like Pintle weapons are a must take now, due to them always being considered defensive weapons. That’s huge for reactions.
Personally i dont think vehicle reactions are very good! Anything that scares your vehicles isnt going to be stopped by some heavy bolters or volkites. Youd be better off using that reaction elsewhere.
@@Hearesy agreed, vehicles are no good for reactions when theres heavy weapon marines out there. Which is a shame as its half of the EC trait
@@Hearesy I guess it’s situational. My opponent the other day lost a jet bike to my rhino because it reacted with its multi melta, could be skewing my opinion 😅
Maybe hold onto that one specific Rhino :)
@@Hearesy super rhino 😆
I can't find in the rules where it says how the coaxial works
Regarding moving and firing with different loadouts, do death guard kratos's benefit at all from the legions Remorseless ability? Able to more quickly move into melta range and keep up fire with supporting lascannons?
Yeah it does allow tanks to move full speed and shoot, that would help the melta (and flashburn for that matter, really) for sure
It’s reenforced too so it doesn’t care about stunned and downgrades shaken
I'm surprised you didn't mention using it as a distraction
Such a big fallacy. Only works if your opponent doesnt know how to play!
@@Hearesy hilarious
Would using the Volkite cannon and this tank to hunt marines and using cheaper tank squadrons or heavy squads or Sabres to hunt enemy tanks be a viable option? Instead of having Big "tiger" tanks Duke it out?
Absolutely! The sabre in particular is very good at killing tanks
@@Hearesy I really like this tank, except the price tag, I doubt this will move to plastic being a relatively newer tank on FW.
Same. Thats the world we live in :/
What about putting assault cannons on it with imperial fists?
Imo as a fist player slap las cannons on it, assault cannons are better for 10 man heavy support squads so you can just mulch infantry. I'm taking the Kratos as my 3rd heavy support choice so i have some solid anti armor
@Swagismund so, this reply as me checking back in. I went all in on the assult cannon heavy bolter. Because they are defensive i can fire them at closest infitry while putting the big cannon to work on what needs slowling down. A tank destroyer might be more effective but I feel i get my points back more times than i dont going anti-infintrt
i just find the main guns to be a bit underwhelming, basically a frag mortar shell or two lascannons (or one big shot for extra points). Am i just being critical because im comparing it to the sicaran omegas potential to nuke stuff this ed?
The main gun being a pen even on below avg rolls vs av15 is a big deal, and the melta cannon is awesome too - big armourbane range. But it is a pricy tank no doubt
@@Hearesy you are right, it is probably me expecting a fellblade cannon or something! - p.s could you cover your opinions on graviton weaponry for this ed? i like the idea of the terrain effects.
Good topic, and as an Iron Hands player, something I like to talk about!
Potms is a huge miss. I dont think its worth the points. I will try it out with Imperial Fist which makes it bs5.
The main gun is an auto weapon also bs5 and autocannons are nice 6 shots str 7 with rend.