I’ve always thought the Browns should have hired Greg Williams and kept Freddie Kitchens as offensive coordinator there was something about that team that looked like they were going the right direction they all seem to click.Freddie did a good job with Baker as a rookie especially for never being a coordinator before.
Ernie Zampese was the real instrument of Baker's success. He's the guy who studied Baker's college tapes and made the offense comfortable for Baker in his rookie year. Because how petty the Cleveland organization is, it's a disease that is spread organizationally, Kitchens felt threatened with Zampese's presence and fired him. Zampese should have been promoted from QB coach to offensive coordinator.
Yes but why are they blaming everyone except Stefanski ???? First Watson , then Jamis , then DTR now Dorsey but what about the biggest fraud in coaching Stefanski ??? Fire him!
I think that was Kevin Stefanski sabotaging the process once Paul DePodesta told him that the offense needs to change in order to be more explosive. So he hired the guy that would make the offense ineffective.
@@keithgreer462Because stefanski isn't the problem with most of the teams problems. He has his shortcomings and has gotten better at them. He isn't the reason the team sucked this year. AB is going to be taking the blame on the team struggles until Watson is gone. He is eating up half the cap and sucks. AB and the owner are gonna take all that credit. Plus we can't keep firing coaches every time we have a bad season. No other team that's good does that.
@ Next year they will run out of people to blame. They will probably trade for Kirk Cousins, and Kevin Stefanski will take the play calling back, but when they fail again, he will not have a scapegoat.
Like I’ve been saying, DW4 wasn’t Stefanski’s type of QB so he had to try to make it work by bringing in Dorsey. Now we will see the return of the West Coast Offense, thank goodness! Travis is on the $$$!!!
there was one critical decision that led to ALL of the chaos and all of the destruction of what promised to be a better Browns future: they signed DW4, and that put the Browns on a path that led further into a 2 YEAR REBUILD!!!!!
I can't understand why Berry is still on the Browns. I don't know about Stefanski yet, I would like to see what he would do with a GM that would bring him some talent to work with. If he doesn't do it then he should go too.
Berry, Dorsey, and Dickerson should have been done sooner. Long time coming is an understatement. Time to run an offense that players can scheme to and develop.
They’re not getting fired because Haslam was shamed into NOT firing the HC/GM to try and shake the narrative that this is a horrible owner. Unfortunately, he hitched his wagon to the wrong horses. These Ivy League buffoons are f’n CLUELESS.
Winston is a west coast qb. Instead keeping a west coast offense with Winston they switch to Dorsey it never made sense. Winston only signed to play in Kevin's offense.
Miles Garrett, no doubt hall-of-famer, but his best years are behind him, and if you can get A couple number ones for him, we would be crazy not to do it But AB can't be the one making the choices in the draft
He has drafted fine for role players and had a few great hits. People over exaggerate his drafts being bad. Outside wills he's been good and they traded his past 3 1sts so he hasnt been able to prove something there. And his trades for players like coop and jeudy and signings like clowney and smith and hicks... he's a good GM. Dude got guys like Delpit, JOK, Hall, Emerson, Jones (was hurt and forced on the left side this year but when on the right did great), Ford (has been a great #2), and lets all be fucking honest Newsome was great until Emerson came in. Everyone loved him his first couple years now everyone calls him a bust.
Dorsey is far better as a QB coach then he was as a player. Ever since he was in college coaches in the NCAA and NFL coaches all said he was the smartest QB they've ever been around at his age. He's a decent OC with the right people but he's a top QB coach.
I wanted Alex Van Pelt to run the offense and was calling for Kevin to give up play calling last year. Of course he was willing this year because he knew dude was worse than him.
That's not true. The defense was always ready to play. It's the offense that never looked like it was on the same page. If the basis of your problems is only on one side of the ball then doesn't that suggest that the coordinator on that side of the ball is at fault?
"ALL THE COACHES Are Responsible For Developing The Players". Browns Go from a Playoff Team to a 3-14 record, with primarily the same team? Stefanski is the Head Coach, who can only Coach a Pocketpasser System., thats why Dorsey was brought in to try and Coach #4. An Offensive "Mobile QB" system change Stefanski couldn't adjust the team to... also bad O-line blocking, penalties, etc . Ultimately, the Head Coach responsibility.
I love how all of this disfunction not just this year but since Stefanski got here is blamed on everyone else BUT Stefanski. What other head coach gets these kinds of results and doesn't get any of the blame. Every quarterback in the last 5 years has eventually looked the same when they play under Stefanski. Teams have figured out how to play against him. The decision to hire this player or coach or get rid of them falls on the HEAD COACH. Vrabel running the O-Line has nothing to do with Ken Dorsey but has everything to do with Stefanski allowing it. EVERY THING that happens, good or bad falls USUALLY on the head coach. Why are we giving suggestions on who they can bring in to run this or that. THAT'S THE HEAD COACHES JOB! I actually root for Stefanski and wish he would succeed, but all of our disfunction should fall squarely on Stefanski. Just like when Myles Garrett smacked Mason Rudolph upside the head with his helmet and got suspended, I ultimately blame Kitchens for the lack of discipline of the entire team. So many players we let go go on to teams that win super bowls or are on playoff teams. We contort ourselves into knots to NOT look at Stefanski for all of these decisions. We should have hired Belichick. Since that's no longer a possibility, I say we give Jim Swartz the reigns.
When does Stefanski go? How does a reigning COTY not get fired after winning 3 games. No DTR growth (cut him please). Garrett has been a good soldier - trade him for picks and let the guy see .500 again with some other franchise.
Berry has not put together a good team. How many players on this team would start for another NFL team? How Berry still has a job is mind boggling. There is a severe lack of talent everywhere on this team.
Are organization is screwed so bad. No one in their right mind would come to a suicide job like that.untill we fix it from the top The team will keep having the same problem.
The problems are deeper than play calling. I don’t get this notion that Kevin makes no decisions. If that’s true, how can you hold him accountable either way?? They need to clean house. I expect another bad draft and another year of mediocre undisciplined football. I pray that Im wrong.
My fingers are crossed that the Tennessee Titans will fire Brian Callahan (and by extension Bill Callahan) and that my Cleveland Brownies will hire them (as OC and AHC/OL respectively) for 2025!
Am I tripping.. but the offense was trash under Kevin. It actually looked better under Dorsey and for the first time, we had players wide open??? Fire Kevin!!! I’m done. Go Cavs
Like I’ve been saying, DW4 wasn’t Stefanski’s type of QB so he had to try to make it work by bringing in Dorsey. Now we will see the return of the West Coast Offense, thank goodness!
@@FDP7777 The West Coast offense terminology is so overrated, overplayed and oversaid, simply throwing a ball to a running back out of the backfield. I've been doing that since the '70s. When I was pre-teen playing football in Cleveland, Ohio. It comes out of necessity, not from the West Coast. Football is football. Sometimes you can throw down field. Sometimes you throw swing out passes. Sometimes you do little drop off, passes to a running back up the middle or a squid pass. There's really no such thing as West Coast offense. It's just the NFL made that up to sound interesting
@@BESHREWSANCTUM worst take ive ever heard in reference to the west coast offense. Not that its good or bad but what it is and its history and creation and success. It changed the sport and how fast and high scoring an offense could be and changed how defense had to play and the style of players you needed to defend it. Just pure garbage take.
Who hired these two assistant coaches??? Shouldn't that person(s) be fired too? Incidentally, the Seahawks had a terrible OL for years while Dickerson was their OL coach. I knew the Browns OL would implode under Dickerson.
I'd have fired KS too but I get why the didn't. Thing is I don't trust Kevin with to develop a rookie QB top of the draft. Sanders fits his mold. But I almost expect them to try and bring Klint Kubiak and Derek Carr here. Will it work? Doubtful. And that's the problem. What vet QB is good enough to save your job? And no rookie top of the draft outside of QB makes a significant difference. I'm torn but if they brought Klint, Care and drafted Sanders, at the very least we have idea of who can be here in the future. And if they get 6-8 wins that's enough for me to keep KS around to develop sanders and see how year 2 goes.
The Browns organization needs to look into the Strength and Conditioning, Nutritional and Wellness Staff as well? To many injuries this year and in the past!
How about collect talent and have coaches that can work with different skillsets to tailor scheme to players ability. Having the intent to draft specific type of players for a specific system will always set a team back if injuries occur and no adjustments made. Your coach can NEVER be that rigid or have the inability to change/adjust
If you guys think that everything will change because of some firings you're sadly mistaken. i know that this is a a feel good move that brings hope for the next year. One thing you are not considering is that Haslam is still the owner. Look at his record over the last 12 years-mayhem, disorganization, firing and hiring. Me thinks mopre of the same is ion store
💯. They hired Kevin as HC based on his body of work as an OC. You knew what his philosophy was when you hired him, and then go out and get a QB who can’t run the offense the HC was hired for. The Watson signing was an organizational failure starting at the top.
He's still the head coach. He has no control of this team. No dicipline or accountability. The only reason we won against the steelers in2020 is because stefanski was at home on the couch w covid. Dude is not it. Don't talk to me about COTY bull
@@EmotionalDamage9 tell me you listen to youtubers and repeat there opinions and dont know ball without saying it out loud... Stefanski isnt the best coach but your opinion is ignorant as fuck.
TroyStevens, you are bang on, can't agree more. i can just hear Haslam back when, "get me Watson at any price, I dont care". Look at his history-Johnny Manziel, Hue Jackson, Kyle Shannahan quitting, bringing in Beckham to undermine Baker. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The City of Cleveland needs to show him the door, force him to sell. Its possible if enough people care
This is a lot like a person being diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and the doctor treating it by amputating both of their legs. Yes, Ken Dorsey and Andy Dickerson were terrible and they deserved to be fired, but the rot starts at the top. The Haslams put a failed former baseball executive in charge of planning their strategy. The GM makes personnel decisions based on spreadsheets of data and not on game tape, and the head coach empowers the players to lead themselves and the team ends up having no leadership whatsoever. Nothing will ever change with the Browns until the Haslams hire competent football people and then they let them do their jobs. Period.
Richardfratus, the critical decision came about in 2012 when Haslam purchased the team and has gone on a bender of making desperation moves, one after another. If the Browns had hired Dan Campbell to be theire coach he would have been fired after his first or second season because he didnt win right away. All the moves come about due to desperation and lack of basic common sense and hard work in finding smart knowledgeable professionals
The thing that gets me is, why didn't Kevin Stefanski let Ken Dorsey call the plays for Watson if he was brought here for Watson? Then when Winston plays, Stefanski lets Dorsey call the plays 🤔🤔 Not that it mattered which one of them were calling the plays 😂😂 is it possible that neither one is great?
Seriously what is this protection of Stefanski??? To say Stefanski should be the play caller is straight foolish😂 😂 why do we blame everyone except Stefanski??? Because he's a good looking white guy??? 3.5 million a year to get out coached and destroy all of our Quarterbacks?
Because the offense went to $hit under Dorsey. Stefanski had many more injuries last year and still managed to score points and win games as well as make the playoffs. I can't help but wonder why Stefanski would be blamed for the complete incompetence of Dorseys offense.
@racksblue11 actually it wasn't. They made the playoffs last season with QBs, RBs and O-linemen that were 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers. And that offense looked light years better than Dorseys did.
@@ScottCleve33 you are wrong we started with kevin offense before he switched to dorsey and last year we got lucky we played alot of backup qbs to get alot of them wins
@racksblue11 wrong. This entire season was Dorseys offense. Only the play caller changed. Also much of the play calling was from Dorseys play calling sheet even though Stefanski was the one actually calling the plays in.
After 2 losing seasons, they fired Hue Jackson as soon as the Browns started winning IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON so... it really depends on ... the situation
Zappy outplayed Lamar , what when Zappy, threw the ball to our team .twice 😂😂😂😂😂 OHH That part!!! no wonder yall can't find a quarterback you don't know talent. Start Zappy since he outplayed Lamar . Please.
The offense was best when Dorsey was calling plays with Winston. It was still ass, but it was the best of the season. Stefanski still blows as a playcaller
Wonder what’s going to be the excuses for next year when Kevin’s offense looks worse like y’all want this man to call his boring ass plays and run the ball and when we score 17 points again and don’t have a running back are we gonna just keep firing ocs all these ocs can’t be the problem … like when are we going to open our eyes … Kevin is the root of the problem most penalized team 3 years in a row not player development no player push no young guys making waves we need a fresh set of eyes
@roris5882 😂😂😂 do you even know what DePadesta does? Quit talking out your ass, You all want consistency but want to turn around and fire the 2 people that need to be there for consistency again 😂😂
Ironically though the Browns offense looked pretty good for a couple games with Winston and Dorsey then it’s like the NFL defenses instantly caught up to it and the wheels fell off.Buba will be next and rightfully so I guess the only problem is Berry should be out also., I don’t know how someone this incompetent can keep his job.
stefanski play calling sucked! too simple,rudimentary. at least dorcey opened it up a bit,a lot. we just dont have the qb for it. and stefanski does not have this team prepared,tight,disciplined as say campbell does in detroit.
This has just completely ruined the off-season for me......Stefanski and Berry are both garbage.....we know what they are and next year is just going to be more trash football.....and this is after the trash draft that they will surely mess up!!
I also think they brought in Dorsey because of Watson so if Dorsey gone does that mean we transition away from Watson if so thank God.i know he still gonna be on roster no other team is paying that much Watson
I doubt it. I belive that Dorsey was brought in to open up the offense. Not because of Watson. I still believe that Watson is the starting QB going into next season. I doubt that they like any of these QBs in the draft to use a top three on them. I do believe that they trade/sign another QB that c can compete with Watson for the starting job however if Watsons healthy I belive he starts.
@@ScottCleve33yea deshaun was trash, 1-6 and the lowest qBr in the nfl. Statistically deshaun is the worst qb in nfl last 3 seasons. No way he wins any real qb competition
lol The Browns stink because they don't have a QB. The only 2 people that need and deserve to be fired is the owner JIMMY and his lackey Berry. The only reason they both are still here is unfortunately one happens to own the team, as they conspired together and were as a unit the 2 top reasons for the Watson fiasco. Birds of a feather love to flock together. Get rid of these 2 clowns and you fix 90% of the problem with the Browns
Was Dorsey good? No. Was he given play calling duties after an awful start and the offense looked like trash? Yes. He was the scapegoat all season long and everyone pointed the finger at him. KS is constantly getting bailed out and shielded from any type of blame for what? 2x coach of the year? What did that get us? 1-2 in the playoffs and 40-44 in the regular season? This whole thing from the top down in the franchise just wreaks dysfunction. Rumors or truth but Dickerson not coaching, KS lack of creativity, game management, hiring of coordinators. Everyone says he has no control over what's happening, no input on the roster which I personally find hard to believe if that is the case you are willing to risk your future, your job and reputation on a horrible depth chart outside of a few key players. Berry has had a few good picks but also more bad than good. The signing of Watson will go down as THE WORST trade of all time. Sure hindsight is 20/20 but we are living in the aftermath of it. That gamble alone should cost him his job. Now we are slated for a top 3 pick and Berry still at the helm with this Depodesta guy who does absolutely nothing but has input on everything. At the end of the day this organization remains a joke. The fans deserve so much better for what we have sat through since they came back.
This was the best UCSS,,,great, honest opinions and respectful dialogue.😅😅😅
I’ve always thought the Browns should have hired Greg Williams and kept Freddie Kitchens as offensive coordinator there was something about that team that looked like they were going the right direction they all seem to click.Freddie did a good job with Baker as a rookie especially for never being a coordinator before.
Ernie Zampese was the real instrument of Baker's success. He's the guy who studied Baker's college tapes and made the offense comfortable for Baker in his rookie year. Because how petty the Cleveland organization is, it's a disease that is spread organizationally, Kitchens felt threatened with Zampese's presence and fired him. Zampese should have been promoted from QB coach to offensive coordinator.
should not have hired Dorsey to begin with!
Yes but why are they blaming everyone except Stefanski ???? First Watson , then Jamis , then DTR now Dorsey but what about the biggest fraud in coaching Stefanski ??? Fire him!
I think that was Kevin Stefanski sabotaging the process once Paul DePodesta told him that the offense needs to change in order to be more explosive. So he hired the guy that would make the offense ineffective.
@@keithgreer462Because stefanski isn't the problem with most of the teams problems. He has his shortcomings and has gotten better at them. He isn't the reason the team sucked this year. AB is going to be taking the blame on the team struggles until Watson is gone. He is eating up half the cap and sucks. AB and the owner are gonna take all that credit. Plus we can't keep firing coaches every time we have a bad season. No other team that's good does that.
@ Next year they will run out of people to blame. They will probably trade for Kirk Cousins, and Kevin Stefanski will take the play calling back, but when they fail again, he will not have a scapegoat.
They did to use as a scape goat
Why is stefanski magically free of blame to so many people?
Should fire the guys really in charge. Fire Stefanski and Berry
Yea berry needs to go, he traded for the worst qb in the nfl deshaun watson.
Yes. Agreed
Like I’ve been saying, DW4 wasn’t Stefanski’s type of QB so he had to try to make it work by bringing in Dorsey. Now we will see the return of the West Coast Offense, thank goodness! Travis is on the $$$!!!
there was one critical decision that led to ALL of the chaos and all of the destruction of what promised to be a better Browns future: they signed DW4, and that put the Browns on a path that led further into a 2 YEAR REBUILD!!!!!
Stefanski comes from the Kubiak tree, get an OC that comes from that same tree.
Lol. U are right. Kubiak's son probably will be available. Seeing as how New Orleans is hiring a new HC
His kid Clint might be available too. Would be a great hire
Andrew Barry must go before any draft choices are made.😮😮😮
I can't understand why Berry is still on the Browns. I don't know about Stefanski yet, I would like to see what he would do with a GM that would bring him some talent to work with. If he doesn't do it then he should go too.
Facts
Berry, Dorsey, and Dickerson should have been done sooner. Long time coming is an understatement. Time to run an offense that players can scheme to and develop.
A good place to start. Someone needs to be held accountable for that awful display of offense.
This is the best statement I have heard in three years. Tyvis is absolutely correct.
Yet they keep Kevin and Andrew. Disgusting.
The fact that Stefanski & Berry are not getting fired tells us all we need to know about who forced the Watson trade... Haslam.
Haslam has said at least 2 times that I remember that Berry wanted Watson and Stefanski and Haslam were okay with it and went along with it.
They’re not getting fired because Haslam was shamed into NOT firing the HC/GM to try and shake the narrative that this is a horrible owner. Unfortunately, he hitched his wagon to the wrong horses. These Ivy League buffoons are f’n CLUELESS.
Winston is a west coast qb. Instead keeping a west coast offense with Winston they switch to Dorsey it never made sense. Winston only signed to play in Kevin's offense.
Keeping Stefanski means that the Browns will still go for it on 4th and 2 deep in their own territory.
😂😂
Miles Garrett, no doubt hall-of-famer, but his best years are behind him, and if you can get
A couple number ones for him, we would be crazy not to do it
But AB can't be the one making the choices in the draft
Best years behind him? If the team had a better record he would get his second DPY this year!
100%......it's time to move GARRETT....his value will never be higher than it is now!
It's up to Garrett not the Browns. But if it was my decision I would except a trade to a 10 plus win team to win a ring.
Ventrone and Staley next?
We can only hope!
Berry needs to go ASAP! He has no idea how to draft talent!
Depodesta needs to be gone asap.
He has drafted fine for role players and had a few great hits. People over exaggerate his drafts being bad. Outside wills he's been good and they traded his past 3 1sts so he hasnt been able to prove something there. And his trades for players like coop and jeudy and signings like clowney and smith and hicks... he's a good GM. Dude got guys like Delpit, JOK, Hall, Emerson, Jones (was hurt and forced on the left side this year but when on the right did great), Ford (has been a great #2), and lets all be fucking honest Newsome was great until Emerson came in. Everyone loved him his first couple years now everyone calls him a bust.
@@mikephillips1043 who??
@@Fjigg your mom after we finished last night. Idk why she asked but she did.
@@Fjigg I had a diabolical comeback but it was deleted by the channel...
Stefanski has developed NO ONE! Kevin has ducked responsibility since he’s been Head Coach…I don’t see Browns winning with him in charge!
We saw Dorsey as QB. I'm not surprised!!
Dorsey is far better as a QB coach then he was as a player. Ever since he was in college coaches in the NCAA and NFL coaches all said he was the smartest QB they've ever been around at his age. He's a decent OC with the right people but he's a top QB coach.
I wanted Alex Van Pelt to run the offense and was calling for Kevin to give up play calling last year. Of course he was willing this year because he knew dude was worse than him.
AVP fucked up the pats offense and has either been fired after his first year or is about to be I cant remember what I heard in the video about him.
It doesn't matter what coaches you have,this is the team that gave an arena league QB named Watson 250 million,this organization is a joke.
Yep that deshaun trade destroyed this playoff team. Should've kept baker.
Right Tyvis, I don't understand how the secondary looks so confused, especially if it's like you said, they have the exact same scheme.
Kevin and berry keep using scapegoats every year
Why is Stefanski not fired???? They keep firing everybody except the problem stefanski.
If Stefanski is the coach next season is already over
He was never the problem. It's the quarterback problem. Every quarterback on that roster is trash 🗑
We had a much better LB core last year. When Walker, Taki Taki and JOK were on the field, they were good. We didn’t have that this year and it showed.
The Browns team, in general, was never ready to play qeek to qeek. I believe that's the job of the head coach to get his players ready to play.
That's not true. The defense was always ready to play. It's the offense that never looked like it was on the same page. If the basis of your problems is only on one side of the ball then doesn't that suggest that the coordinator on that side of the ball is at fault?
You can not give Berry 11 picks
Look at the roster talent
Facts
This is GARBAGE......Stefanski needs to be FIRED!!!!!!!
This only guarantees we'll be TRASH again next season.
See ya'll in 2027!
"ALL THE COACHES Are Responsible For Developing The Players". Browns Go from a Playoff Team to a 3-14 record, with primarily the same team? Stefanski is the Head Coach, who can only Coach a Pocketpasser System., thats why Dorsey was brought in to try and Coach #4. An Offensive "Mobile QB" system change Stefanski couldn't adjust the team to... also bad O-line blocking, penalties, etc . Ultimately, the Head Coach responsibility.
I love how all of this disfunction not just this year but since Stefanski got here is blamed on everyone else BUT Stefanski. What other head coach gets these kinds of results and doesn't get any of the blame. Every quarterback in the last 5 years has eventually looked the same when they play under Stefanski. Teams have figured out how to play against him. The decision to hire this player or coach or get rid of them falls on the HEAD COACH. Vrabel running the O-Line has nothing to do with Ken Dorsey but has everything to do with Stefanski allowing it. EVERY THING that happens, good or bad falls USUALLY on the head coach. Why are we giving suggestions on who they can bring in to run this or that. THAT'S THE HEAD COACHES JOB! I actually root for Stefanski and wish he would succeed, but all of our disfunction should fall squarely on Stefanski. Just like when Myles Garrett smacked Mason Rudolph upside the head with his helmet and got suspended, I ultimately blame Kitchens for the lack of discipline of the entire team. So many players we let go go on to teams that win super bowls or are on playoff teams. We contort ourselves into knots to NOT look at Stefanski for all of these decisions. We should have hired Belichick. Since that's no longer a possibility, I say we give Jim Swartz the reigns.
When does Stefanski go? How does a reigning COTY not get fired after winning 3 games. No DTR growth (cut him please).
Garrett has been a good soldier - trade him for picks and let the guy see .500 again with some other franchise.
Berry has not put together a good team. How many players on this team would start for another NFL team? How Berry still has a job is mind boggling. There is a severe lack of talent everywhere on this team.
Yup I agree
Think AVP willing to come back?
Dude was TRASH for NE why the fuck would you want him? The pats receiving room had less yards than Jamar Chase...
Dudes got fired on their day off. Can we fire Haslam and Watson next?
Exactly 👍🏻
When are they cutting Stafansk, AB, and DePoo loose so they can hire Vrabel and a real football staff?
Unfortunately u can't fire the owner!!
Are organization is screwed so bad. No one in their right mind would come to a suicide job like that.untill we fix it from the top
The team will keep having the same problem.
We're stuck with those 2 for awhile
This defense under Schwartz has always been vulnerable to the big play
The problems are deeper than play calling. I don’t get this notion that Kevin makes no decisions. If that’s true, how can you hold him accountable either way?? They need to clean house. I expect another bad draft and another year of mediocre undisciplined football. I pray that Im wrong.
My fingers are crossed that the Tennessee Titans will fire Brian Callahan (and by extension Bill Callahan) and that my Cleveland Brownies will hire them (as OC and AHC/OL respectively) for 2025!
I never understood hiring Dorsey / Bills let him go because there O went to shit and now he is gone Bills and Allen take off … glad he is GONE
Am I tripping.. but the offense was trash under Kevin. It actually looked better under Dorsey and for the first time, we had players wide open??? Fire Kevin!!! I’m done. Go Cavs
Like I’ve been saying, DW4 wasn’t Stefanski’s type of QB so he had to try to make it work by bringing in Dorsey. Now we will see the return of the West Coast Offense, thank goodness!
But Stefanski's antiquated high school style offense only works with limited statue QBs that play in his ancient structure.
and who is your west coast qb?
@@FDP7777 The West Coast offense terminology is so overrated, overplayed and oversaid, simply throwing a ball to a running back out of the backfield. I've been doing that since the '70s. When I was pre-teen playing football in Cleveland, Ohio. It comes out of necessity, not from the West Coast. Football is football. Sometimes you can throw down field. Sometimes you throw swing out passes. Sometimes you do little drop off, passes to a running back up the middle or a squid pass. There's really no such thing as West Coast offense. It's just the NFL made that up to sound interesting
@@BESHREWSANCTUM worst take ive ever heard in reference to the west coast offense. Not that its good or bad but what it is and its history and creation and success. It changed the sport and how fast and high scoring an offense could be and changed how defense had to play and the style of players you needed to defend it. Just pure garbage take.
Who IS his type?
Who hired these two assistant coaches??? Shouldn't that person(s) be fired too? Incidentally, the Seahawks had a terrible OL for years while Dickerson was their OL coach. I knew the Browns OL would implode under Dickerson.
You can tell our organization is becoming more competent because usually jimmy would be the last man standing.
Right. Isolate the problem and address that problem. We don't need to tear down and rebuild a house just because faucet has a leak.
Jimmy Haslam and Depodesta are the problem.
Cut everybody
People talking about trading Garrett are people that are not browns fans!
Everyone but Berry & Stefanski take the blame.
don't stop with just these two next year will be the same if they keep stefanski . it will be hard to find a head coach after 7 game's next year
AVP is having the last laugh until NE fires him!
I'd have fired KS too but I get why the didn't. Thing is I don't trust Kevin with to develop a rookie QB top of the draft. Sanders fits his mold. But I almost expect them to try and bring Klint Kubiak and Derek Carr here. Will it work? Doubtful. And that's the problem. What vet QB is good enough to save your job? And no rookie top of the draft outside of QB makes a significant difference. I'm torn but if they brought Klint, Care and drafted Sanders, at the very least we have idea of who can be here in the future. And if they get 6-8 wins that's enough for me to keep KS around to develop sanders and see how year 2 goes.
The Browns organization needs to look into the Strength and Conditioning, Nutritional and Wellness Staff as well? To many injuries this year and in the past!
Took long enough to fire those two I've been wanting Ken fired the day we brought him in
What about Stefanski ?????
@keithgreer462 he shouldn't of gave up play calling
3-14 should get them a new stadium... in another state
How about collect talent and have coaches that can work with different skillsets to tailor scheme to players ability.
Having the intent to draft specific type of players for a specific system will always set a team back if injuries occur and no adjustments made. Your coach can NEVER be that rigid or have the inability to change/adjust
If you guys think that everything will change because of some firings you're sadly mistaken. i know that this is a a feel good move that brings hope for the next year. One thing you are not considering is that Haslam is still the owner. Look at his record over the last 12 years-mayhem, disorganization, firing and hiring. Me thinks mopre of the same is ion store
I don't blame kevin at all for this season. Browns told Kevin to change his whole philosophy for Deshaun.
💯. They hired Kevin as HC based on his body of work as an OC. You knew what his philosophy was when you hired him, and then go out and get a QB who can’t run the offense the HC was hired for. The Watson signing was an organizational failure starting at the top.
He's still the head coach. He has no control of this team. No dicipline or accountability. The only reason we won against the steelers in2020 is because stefanski was at home on the couch w covid. Dude is not it. Don't talk to me about COTY bull
@@EmotionalDamage9 tell me you listen to youtubers and repeat there opinions and dont know ball without saying it out loud... Stefanski isnt the best coach but your opinion is ignorant as fuck.
@@mikephillips1043😭😢😭😢
Let’s hope the Titans fire Brian Callahan. Than the Browns can hire Brian as the OC and BIll as the oline coach
Need to find a way to get Nick Emmmanwori...the Strongest, Biggest, and Fastest at his position. Won't need a Safety for 7-10 years..also Team captain
Keep Going,
TroyStevens, you are bang on, can't agree more. i can just hear Haslam back when, "get me Watson at any price, I dont care". Look at his history-Johnny Manziel, Hue Jackson, Kyle Shannahan quitting, bringing in Beckham to undermine Baker. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The City of Cleveland needs to show him the door, force him to sell. Its possible if enough people care
Get Ventrone out next.
Hate to say it but you need players first then just a system. Especially a real QB
This is a lot like a person being diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and the doctor treating it by amputating both of their legs. Yes, Ken Dorsey and Andy Dickerson were terrible and they deserved to be fired, but the rot starts at the top. The Haslams put a failed former baseball executive in charge of planning their strategy. The GM makes personnel decisions based on spreadsheets of data and not on game tape, and the head coach empowers the players to lead themselves and the team ends up having no leadership whatsoever. Nothing will ever change with the Browns until the Haslams hire competent football people and then they let them do their jobs. Period.
Richardfratus, the critical decision came about in 2012 when Haslam purchased the team and has gone on a bender of making desperation moves, one after another. If the Browns had hired Dan Campbell to be theire coach he would have been fired after his first or second season because he didnt win right away. All the moves come about due to desperation and lack of basic common sense and hard work in finding smart knowledgeable professionals
The thing that gets me is, why didn't Kevin Stefanski let Ken Dorsey call the plays for Watson if he was brought here for Watson? Then when Winston plays, Stefanski lets Dorsey call the plays 🤔🤔 Not that it mattered which one of them were calling the plays 😂😂 is it possible that neither one is great?
Seriously what is this protection of Stefanski??? To say Stefanski should be the play caller is straight foolish😂 😂 why do we blame everyone except Stefanski??? Because he's a good looking white guy??? 3.5 million a year to get out coached and destroy all of our Quarterbacks?
Because the offense went to $hit under Dorsey. Stefanski had many more injuries last year and still managed to score points and win games as well as make the playoffs.
I can't help but wonder why Stefanski would be blamed for the complete incompetence of Dorseys offense.
@@ScottCleve33the offense was shit before he passed it to dorsey stop the lying
@racksblue11 actually it wasn't. They made the playoffs last season with QBs, RBs and O-linemen that were 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers. And that offense looked light years better than Dorseys did.
@@ScottCleve33 you are wrong we started with kevin offense before he switched to dorsey and last year we got lucky we played alot of backup qbs to get alot of them wins
@racksblue11 wrong. This entire season was Dorseys offense. Only the play caller changed. Also much of the play calling was from Dorseys play calling sheet even though Stefanski was the one actually calling the plays in.
Now bring back van pelt!
After 2 losing seasons, they fired Hue Jackson as soon as the Browns started winning IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON so... it really depends on ... the situation
But it was Dorsey's Offense and play calling that made the Browns exciting this season.
No it was jameis.
What about Bubba? he should be let go too
Oline Coach was absolutely awful
Special teams coach is next
Draft a new owner.
To say Zappe outplayed Jackson yesterday would be an understatement, yet the team desperately needs a star.
Zappy outplayed Lamar , what when Zappy, threw the ball to our team .twice 😂😂😂😂😂 OHH That part!!! no wonder yall can't find a quarterback you don't know talent. Start Zappy since he outplayed Lamar . Please.
Browns fan here.......@thevoddy bro there is no way you watched that game and said to yourself that Bailey zappe outplayed Lamar Jackson last night
I understand your upset but we ain’t gone grab on to false hope 😂😂😂… Bailey f’n zappe 😂😂😂😂
Wonder who’s next
So they STILL are not dealing with the problems...nice.
Dorsey shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Too bad Bill Callahan left
bring in eric bieniemy
The offense was best when Dorsey was calling plays with Winston. It was still ass, but it was the best of the season. Stefanski still blows as a playcaller
It would be nice if the head coach could get the Q,Bhe wants. 😮
Stephanski's scapegoats
Wonder what’s going to be the excuses for next year when Kevin’s offense looks worse like y’all want this man to call his boring ass plays and run the ball and when we score 17 points again and don’t have a running back are we gonna just keep firing ocs all these ocs can’t be the problem … like when are we going to open our eyes … Kevin is the root of the problem most penalized team 3 years in a row not player development no player push no young guys making waves we need a fresh set of eyes
I think Ventrone is next
Bubba definitely is next
Using these assistants as scapegoats to shield DePoo, AB, and Stefanski for their inconsistency and failures is ridiculous.
@roris5882 😂😂😂 do you even know what DePadesta does? Quit talking out your ass, You all want consistency but want to turn around and fire the 2 people that need to be there for consistency again 😂😂
Yet again sacrificial lambs to keep stefanski neck clean of the chopping block kicking the can down the road in my opinion
Ironically though the Browns offense looked pretty good for a couple games with Winston and Dorsey then it’s like the NFL defenses instantly caught up to it and the wheels fell off.Buba will be next and rightfully so I guess the only problem is Berry should be out also., I don’t know how someone this incompetent can keep his job.
It would of looked better with Kevin and Winston.
You lost JOK he was the talker on defense wasn’t he??
They were 1-6 when Dorsey took over. Both are equally bad
stefanski play calling sucked! too simple,rudimentary. at least dorcey opened it up a bit,a lot. we just dont have the qb for it. and stefanski does not have this team prepared,tight,disciplined as say campbell does in detroit.
Joel Bitonio may or may not retire, Myles Garrett will return, I think.
This has just completely ruined the off-season for me......Stefanski and Berry are both garbage.....we know what they are and next year is just going to be more trash football.....and this is after the trash draft that they will surely mess up!!
I also think they brought in Dorsey because of Watson so if Dorsey gone does that mean we transition away from Watson if so thank God.i know he still gonna be on roster no other team is paying that much Watson
I doubt it. I belive that Dorsey was brought in to open up the offense. Not because of Watson. I still believe that Watson is the starting QB going into next season. I doubt that they like any of these QBs in the draft to use a top three on them. I do believe that they trade/sign another QB that c can compete with Watson for the starting job however if Watsons healthy I belive he starts.
@@ScottCleve33yea deshaun was trash, 1-6 and the lowest qBr in the nfl. Statistically deshaun is the worst qb in nfl last 3 seasons. No way he wins any real qb competition
@anthonypa8045 he'll be the Browns starting QB game one next season, if healthy. Count on it.
Should had fired stefanski as well
Analytics….
Fire Haslem
Scapegoats….
lol The Browns stink because they don't have a QB. The only 2 people that need and deserve to be fired is the owner JIMMY and his lackey Berry. The only reason they both are still here is unfortunately one happens to own the team, as they conspired together and were as a unit the 2 top reasons for the Watson fiasco. Birds of a feather love to flock together. Get rid of these 2 clowns and you fix 90% of the problem with the Browns
Joe Thomas for the OFFENSIVE LINE coach
Was Dorsey good? No. Was he given play calling duties after an awful start and the offense looked like trash? Yes. He was the scapegoat all season long and everyone pointed the finger at him. KS is constantly getting bailed out and shielded from any type of blame for what? 2x coach of the year? What did that get us? 1-2 in the playoffs and 40-44 in the regular season? This whole thing from the top down in the franchise just wreaks dysfunction. Rumors or truth but Dickerson not coaching, KS lack of creativity, game management, hiring of coordinators. Everyone says he has no control over what's happening, no input on the roster which I personally find hard to believe if that is the case you are willing to risk your future, your job and reputation on a horrible depth chart outside of a few key players. Berry has had a few good picks but also more bad than good. The signing of Watson will go down as THE WORST trade of all time. Sure hindsight is 20/20 but we are living in the aftermath of it. That gamble alone should cost him his job. Now we are slated for a top 3 pick and Berry still at the helm with this Depodesta guy who does absolutely nothing but has input on everything. At the end of the day this organization remains a joke. The fans deserve so much better for what we have sat through since they came back.
0-2 in playoffs
Stefraudski needs to go to.
No he doesn’t
DePoo and AB too because they have only shown mediocrity
Bill Belicheck would just replace you if you didn’t do what your supposed to