yeah and how the US does it so weirdly calling HB pencils "No. 2" B pencils "No. 1" F pencils "No. 2 and a half" (I find this hard to believe but ok) H pencils "No. 3" and 2H pencils "No. 4"
cat intensifies honestly, if peppy decided to make osu more resilliant to unusual events that "shouldnt happen" thered be a lot less crashes and glitches. he just doesnt care about bothering to code for those things, intentionally leaving in glitch prone code because it takes work to avoid things like autofail.
@@Bobbias well, the reason why things like this aren't fixed is because peppy coded the game years ago in a way where even a single line of code changed will cause unexpected behavior, this is the entire reason why lazer is being made.
oh yeah sometimes this happens when i finish a regular ranked map but it is because i will tab out or use discord overlay which can freeze my screen momentarily and upon finishing i just autofail because i was off doing something else
Likely caused by old hitobjects interfering with eachother, the game realizing you missed a object with length (lets say a hitcircle is a point with no "Endtime") where as in lazer we know for certain (because its opensource) that hitobjects wont interfere with each other ever. Still very fascinating and I hope the ranking criteria finds middle ground with lazer.
It would be cool if in lazer we had support for 2b elements, like notes stacked on slider ends forcing you to tap fast or use your second finger. Say, if monstratas aspire entry was rankable, minus the impossible to ss elements.
Your test map had the last autofail note a good distance from the tail of the slider. The map you used in example with the 2b circle slider had it's last note underneath the tail.
There was a super old forum post propably four years ago by MillhioreF that listed his findings with 2B autofail. I don't remember if it had more information than this video did though. You could propably still try to find it or ask him for a link.
i think the multiple sliders autofail last example is cuz the ar only goes to the time you let go of the slider at once to do the 2B part, so if you click the 2B slider that caused the fail at the right time it would work better cuz you kept going back to the slider. Spinner does not do that cuz you were technically still clicking a different slider or circle.
0:42 I am Chinese "逼" is a exaggeration word to the word before this word. For an example, "牛逼" "牛" means 'cows' and also means 'incredible' (this word is describe to people) "二逼" "二" means 'two' and also, it means stupid. so "二逼" means very stupid (but this word is very unusual in China and Chinese) 逼 is said like "bee" in English English is too hard /ww\
Honestly if 2B could be ranoed the game would completely change and imo, while it would be cool, it'd need a completely different leaderboard because it majorly changes what is considered hard and easy (also sliders should probz have end accuracy (like mania) for this to work at all)
I'm thinking that since there's rendering issues with certain sliders and spinners, you don't need to hot them but they still exsist, so once that slider or spinner triggers, it stores the hp drain that is able to load at the end, this could also explain why no fail dosnt work, because it's attempting to fail you when you can't? I dunno this is open thinking
I'd kinda like to see a how to on 2b mapping or at least what to avoid. I feel like I 2b could be used to make a super expressive map I honestly dont know but I see potential in 2b.
I think you have mentioned before that mappers usually dont respect the arles mapping style. Is this true and if so, why? Is this the reason why so few maps with the arles style is ranked?
Harald Wergeland Arles isn't really a mapping style, it's just what a user called Arles/Laphnya (though they changed their name several times now: osu.ppy.sh/u/1722835 ) calls their maps. Some other people started calling their difficulties Arles too, but they're pretty far and few between. They probably just don't care about going through the ranking process with many of the maps. Although many of the maps feature large jumps and spaced streams, there's quite a lot of variation between some of them, so it's hard to consider it one style. Just one person who mapped a ton of songs, and has their own style from which they don't always deviate.
Wow, you did some very thorough work here, great job. I don't plan to map ever but i still felt that i somehow gained something from watching this video lol.
i know how you autofail when a 2B map ends it autofails because 2B you dont have to do the whole slider. Since you weren't doing a full slider ( take a non- 2B map for example ) it will lower your HP. Therefore, you fail when you finish 2B maps [but for some reason, it doesn't do this on thefatrat ft laura brehm Mayday]
i think its because everything in the .osu file is in a list, and if something is placed in between a slider...w-w-where do you place that thing in the list? behind it? just, cut up the slider and place a circle there?
the problem is spaghetti coding which lacks exception handling. it'll be hard for you to find the cause of this because when code isn't written in a safe manner anything could be related to an arbitrary bug or glitch. just like how two objects causes autofail but one doesn't, and how approachrate is related, it's simply the result of unsafe objects interacting with each other in ways that the programmer didn't anticipate. tl;dr it's spaghetti code and a bit of a waste of time to understand, hopefully osu!lazer won't have such issues
Hey pishi - I've been trying to get into mapping myself and I finished my first diff last weekend (a Hard diff of a short version of Routine by Silent Siren). The map is honestly not great lmao the biggest criticism I've gotten is everything is overlapped so the spacing is minimal and it feels "claustrophobic". I've tried to map the Insane diff with that in mind but I feel really troubled trying to place objects. I just don't know where to put anything on the grid. Do you have any advice? How do you decide where to put anything? Thanks.
0:32 2B 2Buttons 2Bad
2 funnt
Haha so funnt
Tr1cKZz ikr so funnt
@@remalies8309 yes very funnt
2beats
*endless tewi ma park flashbacks*
月 tetetetetetetetetete eeee tetetetete ee
I just want to pass it just let me lol
『Mark』 I'm talking about the easy diff, not the expert one
tetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetetewi
*endless endless tewi-ma park flashbacks*
2B or not 2B
pishi does a scientific method
To unrank, or not 2B
A true poet
dammit
That is the question.
dat r tha queshtun
I'm just realizing this now. Pishifat is like the Vsauce of osu
Vsosu
2B...
first thought NieR: Automata
The 2B pencil
2B translates to... idiot
*SAD ANDROID NOISES*
I thought it was 2bt2
I always thought that auto fail was an invisible stack of objects made to troll players at the very end of the map.
pishi thanks for correcting the "2b means two buttons" misconception finally
I always thought 2B referred to the pencils. Like B > 2B > 4B > 6B
HB
yeah
and how the US does it so weirdly calling HB pencils "No. 2"
B pencils "No. 1"
F pencils "No. 2 and a half" (I find this hard to believe but ok)
H pencils "No. 3"
and 2H pencils "No. 4"
🅱️>B
I thought it meant 2 beats
@@meta04 not if you buy artist pencils. I’ve never seen a 1 or 2.5 before
Hello there so no two hitobjects on the same tick
Man it's so interesting how coding programs result in weird mysteries like this
cat intensifies honestly, if peppy decided to make osu more resilliant to unusual events that "shouldnt happen" thered be a lot less crashes and glitches. he just doesnt care about bothering to code for those things, intentionally leaving in glitch prone code because it takes work to avoid things like autofail.
@@Bobbias well, the reason why things like this aren't fixed is because peppy coded the game years ago in a way where even a single line of code changed will cause unexpected behavior, this is the entire reason why lazer is being made.
@@jamesm6479 I'm aware that lazer is a rewrite specifically many to deal with the issues. I think it's great that he's doing a rewrite.
as a programmer
i can say that this is always the case
2B
exam flashbacks
kill me
1:58
... I don't like those sliders.
mgmn hmm yeah seems a little weirs
because of 2B i can pass a 8 star when i can only pass 3*
1:15 new combo break sound
This was really interesting! I love videos looking into these weird programming related parts of osu!!
Thank you for this video . I have few 2B maps and i didnt know what to do in them to not die . Now i know that its not my fault dying at the end :DD .
I’ve been waiting years for this
1:59 wOaH buDdY cHiLL
two nacht 50s= nacht 100
deso lmfao
1:58 i did nazi that coming
Why is nazi related the anime(background)
@@randommemeboi9502 its not a swastika
that feel when (uncommentated)pannenkoek and pishifat upload a vid within a minute of each other
oh yeah sometimes this happens when i finish a regular ranked map but it is because i will tab out or use discord overlay which can freeze my screen momentarily and upon finishing i just autofail because i was off doing something else
Autofail also happens if you lag for a very brief moment, I've seen it during multiplayer rounds with my friend
Likely caused by old hitobjects interfering with eachother, the game realizing you missed a object with length (lets say a hitcircle is a point with no "Endtime") where as in lazer we know for certain (because its opensource) that hitobjects wont interfere with each other ever. Still very fascinating and I hope the ranking criteria finds middle ground with lazer.
That was actually really interesting to watch
I wanna see Pishi make a 2B map after watching this
It would be cool if in lazer we had support for 2b elements, like notes stacked on slider ends forcing you to tap fast or use your second finger. Say, if monstratas aspire entry was rankable, minus the impossible to ss elements.
Your test map had the last autofail note a good distance from the tail of the slider.
The map you used in example with the 2b circle slider had it's last note underneath the tail.
here are some 2B maps:
Endless Tewi - ma park: osu.ppy.sh/b/265177
Mayday: osu.ppy.sh/Beatmapsets/756794
2:11 hey 2 maps under is my map im proud im in a pishi vid
There was a super old forum post propably four years ago by MillhioreF that listed his findings with 2B autofail. I don't remember if it had more information than this video did though. You could propably still try to find it or ask him for a link.
i think the multiple sliders autofail last example is cuz the ar only goes to the time you let go of the slider at once to do the 2B part, so if you click the 2B slider that caused the fail at the right time it would work better cuz you kept going back to the slider. Spinner does not do that cuz you were technically still clicking a different slider or circle.
0:42
I am Chinese
"逼" is a exaggeration word to the word before this word.
For an example,
"牛逼"
"牛" means 'cows' and also means 'incredible' (this word is describe to people)
"二逼"
"二" means 'two' and also, it means stupid.
so "二逼" means very stupid
(but this word is very unusual in China and Chinese)
逼 is said like "bee" in English
English is too hard /ww\
Autofail is fixed so this video doesn't really matter anymore but it is still has issues such as ticks breaking up
Well I hope 2B maps will remain unranked. Would still be pretty cool to see more of them getting loved
Burnt lemon [Lemon] is a ranked 2b
No the 2 objects are just slightly after you can see if you use slow speed
This is similar to what happens in GH3 when you play a two hour long song
I accidentally made an impossible map while mapping "hey shitass"
Honestly if 2B could be ranoed the game would completely change and imo, while it would be cool, it'd need a completely different leaderboard because it majorly changes what is considered hard and easy (also sliders should probz have end accuracy (like mania) for this to work at all)
....wait you can move the singular circle like that?!?
ayo autofail is fixed for a while now
Actually, changing fps or game speed doesn’t change the games internal clock, because that’s the systems internal clock.
You literally show Graces of Heaven as an example. It's passable even with having to click while doing the spinner.
I'm thinking that since there's rendering issues with certain sliders and spinners, you don't need to hot them but they still exsist, so once that slider or spinner triggers, it stores the hp drain that is able to load at the end, this could also explain why no fail dosnt work, because it's attempting to fail you when you can't? I dunno this is open thinking
I'd kinda like to see a how to on 2b mapping or at least what to avoid. I feel like I 2b could be used to make a super expressive map I honestly dont know but I see potential in 2b.
Saint Frosty look at pretty much any given rustbell or axarious map. They use it very well, and should serve as inspiration
How did no one notice the swaiskia around 2:00???
I think you have mentioned before that mappers usually dont respect the arles mapping style. Is this true and if so, why? Is this the reason why so few maps with the arles style is ranked?
Harald Wergeland Arles isn't really a mapping style, it's just what a user called Arles/Laphnya (though they changed their name several times now: osu.ppy.sh/u/1722835 ) calls their maps.
Some other people started calling their difficulties Arles too, but they're pretty far and few between. They probably just don't care about going through the ranking process with many of the maps.
Although many of the maps feature large jumps and spaced streams, there's quite a lot of variation between some of them, so it's hard to consider it one style. Just one person who mapped a ton of songs, and has their own style from which they don't always deviate.
rip pishi 😔
RIP Pishi ;(
Hay, MAYDAY is a good 2B map.
Wow, you did some very thorough work here, great job. I don't plan to map ever but i still felt that i somehow gained something from watching this video lol.
hope osu have more compatibility on multi-touch map to make my tag2 and tag4 playable :D
you can pass 2B maps on multiplayer game
I set one of my press keys on my Huion tablet to type in "REE"
2023-2024 maps: what’s 2B? That’s an alt map lol
respect for you
And then there's Mayday.
WAIT WHAT I THOUGHT IT MEANT *2 BALLS* BECAUSE THE DEFAULT SKIN HAS BALLS FOR THE SLIDERS
It makes 2B maps SS’able by a human instead of a bot/auto.
So is this the reason "Eighto" has no passes? The top diff that is
i know how you autofail when a 2B map ends
it autofails because 2B you dont have to do the whole slider. Since you weren't doing a full slider ( take a non- 2B map for example ) it will lower your HP. Therefore, you fail when you finish 2B maps [but for some reason, it doesn't do this on thefatrat ft laura brehm Mayday]
But the slider gives you the points and accuracy from the sliders during gameplay not at the end
Doesn't matter anymore though since it is fixed
I thought forced fail would only happen on objects places during spinners and not sliders.
can you talk about others bugs and how to exploit them ? like exgon maps
Pacboy what has exgon exploited tho
a lot of slider placing in one section, playable in ctb
more like this map "Wizet, Nexon - Various BGM (glacier adventure)" just play the 10 first seconds and you will understand
thats not really an exploit
Inferno he use a bug to create a new gameplay , i want to know how to use bugs to make something new , like they do in aspire
i think its because everything in the .osu file is in a list, and if something is placed in between a slider...w-w-where do you place that thing in the list? behind it? just, cut up the slider and place a circle there?
1:59 lovely symbol that
the problem is spaghetti coding which lacks exception handling. it'll be hard for you to find the cause of this because when code isn't written in a safe manner anything could be related to an arbitrary bug or glitch. just like how two objects causes autofail but one doesn't, and how approachrate is related, it's simply the result of unsafe objects interacting with each other in ways that the programmer didn't anticipate.
tl;dr it's spaghetti code and a bit of a waste of time to understand, hopefully osu!lazer won't have such issues
he should test if it works in opsu! desktop
What's the map at 1:58
Endless twei-ma park
2Buttons or not chinese phrase, that is the Automata
How the heck does mayday not autofail?
mm okay so I can make sure, please explain again?
Fun fact: The pronunciation of 二逼 sounds like 'Arby'
So could 2B be a thing in lazer (in theory)?
1:59 excuse me what
Cool vid...but where is nacht 100?
damn you could literally force players to play EZ with a 2B map
Hi Doumo!
Well... in Chinese, 2b is not exactly translated into stupid. It’s like, somebody who is strange, or funny, or abnormal...
0BPM does auto autofail too.
2B Mayday :)
我就说为什么听起来那么似曾相识，原来真的是从中文来的😂
touchscreen ftw
How to fix auto fail
We aren't idiots, we just have a great imagination to create maps
i do it because the song llike begs for it lmao
isn't acid rain ranked
there is a ranked 2b map tho
skin download pls ;-;
am i tweaking or are you the guy from the osu tutorial?
1:47 lol comment
1:59 is sus
Hey pishi - I've been trying to get into mapping myself and I finished my first diff last weekend (a Hard diff of a short version of Routine by Silent Siren). The map is honestly not great lmao the biggest criticism I've gotten is everything is overlapped so the spacing is minimal and it feels "claustrophobic". I've tried to map the Insane diff with that in mind but I feel really troubled trying to place objects. I just don't know where to put anything on the grid. Do you have any advice? How do you decide where to put anything? Thanks.
It’s actually Er Bi in Chinese But Whateves :D
2B or not unranked
2b maps,
wonderful inspirations for shape, horrible to play.
lol
lol
@@blotas1904 lololmol
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1:58 swastikas
I’m sorry my ADHD doesn’t allow to sit still through tNice tutorials . I’ll be back so other ti
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